pretty baffling how they straight up had nothing except for a patch for a 9 year old game that still somehow managed to suck despite being announced years ago. i think they just got caught flatfooted by the success of the show and wound up having to say "frick it, how much of that big patch is done? finish it up and ship it"
a patch that broke the game, mods and pretty much is just free CC for PC and took more time from announcement to release than New Vegas whole development cycle
I doubt they thought it was going to be as popular as it was. But still, imagine a game following up the events in the show released the day after the season finale aired.
It managed to bring Fallout 76 back to public consciousness after the initial blunder. It didn't do much, but like that Cyberpunk anime, it's a good PR to refill one's public goodwill.
By all accounts, they shouldve had Fallout New Vegas 2 or Fallout: Stardew Valley out, but remember they have Fallout 76: Their own Fortnite-like. A forever-platform they can just crank out reskinned monsters with higher levels and cashshop items to harpoon some whales. It's the ultimate least effort for most gain not having to make an entire world from the ground up, its like when indie devs discovered the roguelite formula.
>but remember they have Fallout 76: Their own Fortnite-like. A forever-platform they can just crank out reskinned monsters with higher levels and cashshop items to harpoon some whales
it's so weird remembering that people actually play this shit and consider it fallout
I dont know and dont know anyone who plays it. If I were to take a leap Id guess they sucker in people who dont follow news or forums and just saw "Fallout" and bought the latest installment. First wave was lost in the buggy launch, another when encountered the grind and cashshop, and then the die hards with somehow endless disposable income stays and that is enough to keep it afloat like any live service game.
Even without taking the show into consideration they should've had studios work on spin-offs right after they acquired BGS, because looking into the dev pipeline of BGS it was always obvious that it would take almost 20 years for the eventual Fallout 5. It's ridiculous that they are only now having talks about a new Fallout from a different dev.
It was a blunder sure, but they've bought themselves time.
The show got renewed for a second season, and probably could safely be expected to run for at least three, at this success rate. So that's about 3 years they could have to work on a game to position it for launch around when the show final season airs.
It's not optimal but it's better than nothing. Considering Obsidian could make NV in a year, I believe Bethesda should be able to make one in about 3.
>Considering Obsidian could make NV in a year, I believe Bethesda should be able to make one in about 3.
NV had a lot of FO3 to build off of though. It's been too long since it came out to just do that off 4 (playing it recently, it does already feel annoyingly dated). Maybe they try to adapt a bunch of Starfield stuff?
It was already going steady before that, but yeah the game definitely saw a bunch new players especially with the free weekend and the free Fallout 1st trial
Name on Bethesda game that isn't slop. The best one they didn't even make (New Vegas) was the literal definition of rushed slop and it's better than the other titles by a mile.
I don't think they expected the gaslighting bot campaign to have worked as well as it did tbh. Every indicator pointed to it bombing but I guess the 4 cult still had cinder left to burn.
Todd has multiple factions you can join and have mutually exclusive gamepths with. Latrine Studios have zero roleplaying depth in their dogshit wegs which is why Todd won with Skyrim selling 60 million copies and Swen ate shit with his irrelevant dogshit troony's Gape kekw
Todd won the only award that matters - the 60 million copies sold award. You can cope with your botted playercounts and shill reviews while selling peanuts lol.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Baldur's Gate sold over 15 million copies, more than Starfield btw
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Baldur's Gate sold over 15 million copies
So it was a massive flop nowhere near Todd's level? OK, moron.
2 months ago
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Best numbers I've seen for Starfield is 12 million.
Skyrim numbers don't mean shit, 75% of that 60 million sales were made 2 years later at heavy discounts and sales. I think even I own like 3 or 4 copies of Skyrim because I got them at bargain bin prices like a dollar lmao
2 months ago
Anonymous
Skyrim came out much later than troony's Gape which means it already outsold your dogshit weg lol.
>muh discounts
Just like troony's Gape discounts? Skyrim destroys and merciless mogs your dogshit weg with zero roleplaying depth then shits down its mouth. Snap your dumb fricking neck latrine sucking chinkcel. Go bot more fake players, maybe 1% of them will translate into actual sales kekw.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That looks like some piracy shit. Didn't know Sloprim enjoyers don't know how to use torrent and pay for their pirated content.
BG3 didn't have a discount bigger than 5 dollars so far.
There would be a certain amount of people who would really like that, but it would be instant franchise death because every normie who knows the series as a first person shooter would avoid it like the plague.
If they're just trying to make something to take advantage of the show they could rework some mobile free2play crap that's already in development into Fallout.
yeah i thought i was going to be mr smarty pants and say "consoles talk now?" but xbox is a fricking brand under microsoft as well as the console i dont know why i didnt know this for over 20 years
I thought it was rumored for a while now that inXile was working on a Fallout-related project alongside that Clockwork game.
Probably a remake of the original in the same vein as their Wasteland games.
Considering that on bethesdas current speed nect TES would ne somewhere around later 2030s, that would make FO5 around 2045 (or around 2060s is current rate of devtime bloat continues), so them wanting it sooner makes perfect sense.
Why don't they just either create a new team under the leadership of some veterans, or just give it to another studio? After Starfield, it's obvious that Bethesda's creative team is nothing special and few OGs are still there. It's easy to emulate their style as they did with New Vegas.
I promise you, Todd really does not care about FNV especially with how obnoxious and political it's fans have proven to be, if anything they're glad to be distanced from it now
Fun fact, Starfield was in development longer than PS4 was considered "next gen" and current gen.
TES6 is likely a 10th gen game.
AAA development is so bloated and takes so long to develop, they should start making standalone expansion like games like New Vegas or STALKER sequels as soon as possible.
They had a chance to fix FO4 with FO76, except they made it live service game
I said this earlier in the thread but I legit believe they just threw it on the backburner a long time ago and after the show was a hit went “oh frick, what fallout stuff do we have that we can put out? frick it finish up the FO4 patch and announce it”.
I'd rather play Skyrim modernized to FO4 engine or FO4 New Vegad equivalent than fricking Starfield. What a blunder that game was. Does Bethesda hate money? I'd applaud them for making a passion project instead of milking their household IP if Starfield wasn't so bad in both design and execution.
The whole game is going to use AI generation/procedural generation so "it's different every time you play" and "everyone will have their own unique experience".
and Starfield was a hilarious mess with 0 coordination and communication between the outsourced pajeet code monkeys making assets for the game. TES 6 will probably end up with a million inconsistencies within itself.
They can't even do New Vegas 2 anymore unless they decanonize the show or the game itself, the show literally nukes every plot thread from NV to tell their own story. Having to start from scratch wouldn't be very compelling for a sequel to a game with so much shit going on in it
Isn't Bethesda Austin the poor group of flunkies who got tasked with Fallout 76 and blamed for its abysmal failure at launch?
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It was mostly because of rushed development and inexperienced staff. They hired bunch of dumbasses who lack knowledge, rushed out the game in less than 2 years, and because new devs didn't knew how to do engine work at all, results were shit at first but now things got slightly better. Game is now fully playable and can be fun.
Same, fellow europoor fallout fan here. Personally I'd want something near the great lakes, preferably somewhere more out west. Basically no lore outside of barely-canon tactics stuff, just ripe for another game.
>I'd want something near the great lakes
niagara falls would be an amazing location, imagine a game set in canada and the current day US while the niagara falls is some kind of divide. The only bad thing I can see about this is that it would end up like new vegas where you fight over a dam
Let me introduce you to a company called Microsoft, which is legendary for the amount of isolation between its business units (second only to the amount of infighting and backstabbing among them)
Let me introduce you to a company called Microsoft, which is legendary for the amount of isolation between its business units (second only to the amount of infighting and backstabbing among them)
btw nadella has made it his mission to kill off xbox, so he is doing this on purpose
They should've skipped Starfield and made TES 6 instead. FO5 wouldn't work becaus TES fans would be livid FO got 3 games in a row and TES nothing.
Rushing FO5 now is stupid because nobody will rememeber the TV show by the time it's finished. The show is good but not fricking Breaking Bad. A few months (and that's generous) of relevancy is all it has.
Were they rushed with starfield? If not, then I can only wonder what rushed will look like.
It's mind bottling that Starfield is literally Todd's dream game that he'd been in some way planning since the fricking 90s and it's the single blandest least interesting game ever made
Yeah they should just drop the series which just got them 7500% sales in one game alone, and made them a boat load after the uber successful show
moron, why not just hope they finally hire some good writers, Bethesda is good for anything except that. I dont even like the bethesda fallouts, but wanting another dev to take the IP is unrealistic. Who would? Obsidian's talent is gone.
>why not just hope they finally hire some good writers, Bethesda is good for anything except that
They won't because bugthesda are lazy fricks. Fallout could be something much more in the hands of a competent dev but instead we are going to get Starfield 2.0 because they're incompetent and doesn't know how to make good RPGs. The average american loves Skyrim so they're going to do the same bullshit with the same engine and will slap the name of Fallout in the cover and call it a day since people will buy it anyway.
>could be something much more in the hands of a competent dev
Like? Last time someone tried it we got The Outer Worlds whose only legacy is people going 'wait you mean the wilds, right?'
I'd be fine with every developer skipping Xbox and doing PC/PS5 only so that piece of shit Series S would stop holding everything back. Series X is fine but the S is such a fricking dumpster fire.
>Bethesda is good for anything except that.
Wrong. Everything they do is shit except for marketing, which is how they make a frickton of money in the first place. Starfield had over 10 million copies sold in under a month.
Bethesda should really let some other studios take a crack at their properties. A new top down fallout or even TES could be really cool and wouldn't really be competing with bethsoft's output.
The funny thing in all this is that if Bethesda had just done nothing, Fallout London would have come out and the people clamoring for new fallout shit to coincide with the show would have had at least SOMETHING to try. Releasing the patch was the worst possible move, gotta love that classic Bethesda incompetence.
Larian are making their own new space IP.
Which makes perfect sense - why would Larian work with anyone now that they made Baldurs Gate 3? Everyone will play their next game just to see how it compares to BG3. But if they make BG4 or some other licensed game they would have to share revenue with others - here meanwhile they have their very own new IP and can keep all the money for themselves.
Hasbro was going to ask for more money on a license renewal and impose greater restrictions on what they can do. It wasn't worth continuing down that path.
Black person people only cared for BG3 because of the BG+DnD IP with massive Marketing thanks to Hasbro?. It aint even a decent game.and Hasbro owns it all.
yeah and im saying most people dont care about Larian specifically and only about the IPs. Also going for a space game is just moronation at this point. There is too many that were complete flops and you would have to compete with no mans sky in that niche, which gets continous updates and has years worth of content.
Yes moron, and now that a lot of people have played it and liked it they can add "from the developers of BG3" to their next title to get great publicity, which is what anon was talking about.
Really from a financial PoV it would be stupid for MS to allow bethesda to just sit on TES and FO IPs
These IPs make bank and are system sellers for them.
Th reason we have not had a new TES game is because ESO makes them cash and it will take the playerbase away.
I guess they tried to do the same with FO76.
Still what MS should do is either split the bethesda team on 2 projects, FO and TES or get obsidian on FO after their game drops (which looks shit and will most likely flop) with consultation from bethesda while bethesda make the next TES game.
they should not place different developers in different gaming divisions >bethesa, obsidion rpg divisions >activision, 343 dude bro shooter division >zenimax, blizzard mmo division
and so on, they need to micromanage the hell out of these different developers and this is a more effective way of doing it
I think from a creative PoV it is best to keep all the teams separate, but specifically obsidian, they have experience with fallout and the shit engine, they could easily make a FO"5" (spin off like NV) while bethesda works on TES.
id has experience with the engine getting the FPS shit to work too. Putting these teams together could help.
I get the bethesda wanted to make a new IP and from a financial PoV it is worth a risk though imagine starfield was super successful then bethesda has 3 alternating IPs, which would mean over 10 years between new entries.
Financially that is a poor decision when you could bring the IPs out in 3-5 year intervals.
look at all the slop Ubisoft produces in a small timeframe, they run a tight ship and microsoft needs to do the same thing, the devs have too much autonomy, and this is the reason why they are turning to consultation studios like sweet baby because they’re not getting any sort of narrative or creation advice from microsoft
R* do the same thing as well.
Though MS and more specifically, sony, they are priding themselves on allowing the devs to have creative freedom.
They cant afford to consolidate all teams to do 1 game because they need a constant flow of new games and IPs to keep the hardware sales going.
Its a different situation for ubisoft and R* who are just game studios.
Saying that though EA does what MS and sony do too, allows the dev teams to work on their IPs individually.
>Really from a financial PoV it would be stupid for MS to allow Bethesda to just sit on TES and FO IPs
But MS is actually THAT stupid. They literarily bought like 10 companies in the past 5/6 years and none of them have released a video game that wasn't already planned before the buyout.
Think about it again - Microsoft hasn't started working on a single game with any of the companies they've bought so far for half a decade.
I am well aware of how moronic they are bro.
Fricking hell they killed lionhead and their IPs, killed rare just as the FPS boom was happening they got the team known for quality console FPS to make kinect ga,es.
The REAL issue, its that MS ia corporation, all they care about is fiscal increases and because of that their prerogative is make money over smart business in the gaming industry.
Its like nobody in charge at MS know what gamers actually want.
Sony and nintendo on the other hand have the industry perfected.
WELL DUH WHY WOULD THEY. ITs about sending a message to SOYN without them and their games SOYN SUFFERS IN TENS OF MILLIONS OF SALES. THESE BILLION DOLLAR BUY OUTS WERE WORTH IT!
Even tho minecraft the most popular game ever the most sold game of all time the game 20 years in the future people will still be fricking playing i bet you(In the non cancer versions). Was bought for 2b even after a decade I am HIV postive MS has not even got 1/5th that back in TOTAL profit, not sales not X bullshit where taxes and everything else makes it seem huge.
The game people keep buying and more than one copy because a copy of the game is one online account only. Is their best selling AND GOD KNOWS FRICKING HOW MOST PROFITABLE IP/GAME game. EVEN WITH THE MASSIVE FRICKING DEBT LOW COST OF THE GAME AND MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY TAKEN AWAY EACH SALE FOR SHIT EARNING MS LIKE 2-5$ a copy for minecrat. No one plays bedrock its garbage they thought children would steal mommy and daddies credit card to buy stolen mods from subhuman indians&chinks charging 10$ a skin and 20+ for some shitty items low effort created worlds or wtv random shit stolen from old free mods.
Every server is beyond P2W charging children 1-10$ per loot crate key 20-5k for their name on the server being a diffrent color the more they spent the bolder the color to dab on le poors. Charging for items with stats you cant get. These servers even shitty ones with less than 500 players are pulling in thousands of dollars a month. And MS does not see a penny of that money. The large servers are pulling in tens of thousands a month. And the most popular servers are literal fricking money fountains is morons blow so much money on OP items blocks because they are to lazy to do anything cosmedic items to call people poor. And loot boxes with odds so low winning the lottery is legit 9001X more common&easier.
Wait are you serious? I stopped giving a shit about Minecraft a long time ago but I always assumed that Microsoft is making a lot of money from it. I didn't know they don't see any money from the private server shit lmao
It's pretty crazy that the company who has undisputed supremacy in much of the business/productivity sector is flunking the gaming market so hard.
good either whip those homies into shape or force them to let other studios get their hands on the ips like with new vegas. There is 0 reason it should take them 20 fricking years to shit out something the quality of starfield. obviously 90% of the company is sitting around jerking off. What's the point in all the bloat and outsourcing to Indians if it means lower quality games that take longer to make.
Even with Obsidian being shit now - handing them Fallout 5 or atleast a new spinoff would make sense. Bethesda will be busy with TES 6 for another 5+ years and out of all those other XBOX studios Obsidian are still suited best for that job. Everyone else is either busy or they got next to no experience with RPGs like Fallout.
Anyway: XBOX people are right when they say that Fallout 5 not happening until +2030 is unacceptable. The series is getting hyped right now and they want to respond to that.
Yeah but Awowed is basically finished.
I am sure this was supposed to be a big TES-rival at some point but after Bethesda got bought by MS they changed plans to turn it into the weird short story driven game that it is now. Cause why make a TES clone if you got the TES studio?
ye and look so fricking bad because the studio right now is devoid with talent. but who knows, no game studio offer something better that isnt looter n shooter in first person
Well, if mister Xbox wants a new Fallout game, maybe they should consider closing all Bethesda studios and lending the IP to a studio that can work with anything but the dogshit fricking Creation Engine. inXile, Owlcat, Larian, id?
That was then and this is now. Have Toddler beg Sawyer on his knees to make a FO4.5 game in the vein of NV, I don't give a shit. It's moronic to not capitalize on the show.
>Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Not canon never happen its not real. Plus doesn't that happen like 100 years after the war when 3/4/NV are 200ish. >In 2007, Todd Howard stated that "neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel happened".[3] Emil Pagliarulo revealed in 2020 that the decision to disregard Fallout Tactics was revised.[4]
They mostdef wanna do something with Texas and also wank the BoS. Fallout Texas would be fricking awsome, just imagine a map as nice as 76(this was always the good thing about 76 since day 1 and something I wish people spoke of more the map is wonderful, yeah nothing was in for 3 years. Doesn't change the fact west virgina is god damn stunning and they really nailed it.) but 2-3 larger even add in the eastern coast&mexican boarder where most mexicans go full on aztec again.
Bethesda actually consider tactics semi-canon, they like to take inspiration from it.
Outsource it to obsidian and hire Avalon too
Bethesda is caca del perro
Ggez
Josh Sawyer would rather kill himself than work with Chris again.
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>Josh Sawyer would rather kill himself than work with Chris again.
I thought Chris was cleared of all the accusations and given a hefty settlement
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He was, millions too. It was complete bullshit and made up, the morons thought they could get massive likes attention and money. While fighting for imaginary civil rights, while attacking liberty and trying to destory some random persons life completely making it so they can never work again.
If I recall he easily won both cases, they admited fully they made everything. And he never abused women touched or spoke badly about them in a sexual way ever. I think with him it was the turning point with the whole #metoo thing. Where even the media realized ok this is clown world were going to get sued to frick if we keep posting imaginary news about horrific attacks/abuse that never happened. Because reporting on something like this as fact&truth, when someone is making it up. Because they realize they can get a massive amount of money,fame,attention and future work. Making up stuff because the met someone popular/famous once for 5 seconds or were at the same event as them. People&the media just realized wait this is insane everyone knows rape&sexual assault is wrong immoral and horrific . Cis white scum males are not all muhsoggyknee rapists... we need to stop saying this without real proof. Women are getting sued and sued hard now, because even uttering this shit ruins someones life. Doesnt matter if its true the damage is already done, at if someone gets blacklisted and fired. Well even if they sue and win because its completely made up. People dont want to deal with the what if, or how they're bullying or abusing women even more trying to hide what they did!
Also the fact 95% of sexual assaults and real rapes, not this white man once touched me or said something to me. But some filthy brown people grabbed me at night slammed my face against the wall/counter. Tore off my clothes and took turns gangraping me. Or how yet anotehr taxi driver locked the doors and drove off with a drunk woman. Bringing her to a "safe" place and proceeded to gang rape her.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Josh is a gaylord who screws up hardcore game difficulty balance in each Obsidian game, also Microsoft hiring Avellone to get back at Todd after the starfield debacle would be just too funny and the guy probably has a couple scripts ready at this point
No, hard no. Let New Vegas be its' own thing and focus on something else.
Fallout based in Texas or Mexico would be actually worth attention due to history and cultural influence.
Bethesda is such a cursed company >owns two of the highest-profile IPs in gaming
Although they deserve credit for developing Fallout into one >TES was made great by people who haven't worked at Bethesda in a decade or more >Fallout was made great by people who never even worked at Bethesda >every time the company tries to do something original, it fails miserably >and yet it succeeds >every single game they release is more dumbed down than the last >and yet it succeeds >oblivion dumbs down morrowind >outperforms it >fallout 3 outpeforms fallout 1 and 2 put together, 10 times over >skyrim dumbs down oblivion >outperforms it >fallout 4 dumbs down fallout 3, which is honestly impressive >outperforms it >fallout 76 isn't even fallout, and it's launch is one of the worst in gaming history >as if defying fate, it rises from its grave years after the fact and hits its peak concurrent player count
I remember when Fallout 4 was released, both consumers and journalists basically said, "Enough is enough, get your shit together with whatever you release next, Bethesda." That was in 2015. Not even Fallout 76's launch or Starfield is enough to kill this studio. People will just keep buying their products forever because Bethesda will forever be the only fish in the small pond that is their specific sub-genre of open world games. They'll hold TES and Fallout hostage forever, releasing mediocre product after mediocre product, and doing it so slowly that people will forget that they promised themselves not to buy the next Bethesda game a decade ago.
that's the punchline of the 20 year joke that Bethesda has been telling since Morrowind: the one time that Fallout did escape Bethesda's orbital pull, it gave us what is widely regarded as one of the greatest RPGs of all time. for whatever reason, TES only gets bad spin-offs, although i know that there are some people who like TESO.
>rises from its grave years after the fact and hits its peak concurrent player count
Having a bunch of band wagon int normies play it during a free week isn’t rising from the dead, wait a month and it will be back to exactly where it was before.
It doesn't matter, because TES6 will sell 15+ million copies because of its brand alone. The quality of the games doesn't even matter, that's the point I'm making.
>Normies know Skyrim, but they don't know Elder Scrolls
"From the creators of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell"
Is tes 6 going to be in hammerfell, I forgot
It's going to be hammerfall because of Black folk, but remember it was only thought to be in hammerfell because the youtube homosexuals thought the redfall copywrite was TES instead of that gay vampire game. So there's a chance.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>gay vampire game
What game are you talking about? I don't remember a game like this in recent times
2 months ago
Anonymous
Redfall, the gay vampire game that bombed so bad it got deleted from your memory.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I had to google it, they are selling it for 69.99 euros and there is a 99.99 version. No wonder that it bombed
Because Bethesda captured a big portion of the wants/needs for gaming market that nobody else is trying to tap into.
They're the only company until relatively recent time who actually tries to do "immersive" open world RPGs. I'm talking games that you can fully play in first person, complete open world, complete left to you how to build character and so on.
Most other RPGs are either narrative RPGs like BG3, Witcher games etc or they're hub-based immersive games like Deus Ex. Only recent cases like Cyberpunk or The Outer Worlds started to go into that niche.
It's similar with Rockstar and their massive success with GTA and RDR2. Because genuinely nobody from the big companies dared/gave a frick to do like proper action game set in a modern world with gangsters and shit, or like a proper triple-A western game. Nobody is even daring to challenge them anymore.
Like if I ask you to name an alternative to Fallout itself, maybe you will say STALKER (no game released in 15 years), Metro Exodus or maybe some of that zombie shit. And all of them are more shooters than RPGs. So that's why they get away with so much cursed shit, because they're one of the few companies will deliver that basic high fantasy "fantasy", or that "post-apocalyptic" fantasy. The rest don't even try ...
I just saw a trailer, no idea how that slipped me by, yeah, got a ton of Bioshock Infinite vibes from it with the time hopping and Handymen. Plus coming from Lies of P feel "society enhanced by steampunk robots" really is popular now. And they very cheekily added "from the makers of Arcanum" in there. Its quite a departure from Wasteland 2 and 3, but Ill await with tempered expectations.
This. Even with some of the remaining Obsidian/Black Isle veterans we still got slop like The Outer Worlds, Tides of Numenera.
It needs to be all of them together at once, or as many of them as possible. Avellone, Sawyer, Ziets, Tim Cain, Boyarsky, Anderson etc ... with someone else (maybe Arkane or id software) to handle the engine/tech stuff. Anything else might as well let Bethesda team of slop writers and engineers handle it.
>It needs to be all of them together at once, or as many of them as possible
wtf you mean killing them all in one strike thats a bit ....i guess you're right, this ip needs a clean slate after all the shit it saw
>with someone else (maybe Arkane or id software) to handle the engine/tech stuff.
id
Arkane is terrible at engine programming. Look at how shit Void Engine turned out to be. Then they dropped back to Unreal.
My only concern with id is that at some point the Microsoft enshittefication will take root and make them shit too. But right now they're among the best.
Well, they should've planned it out so that it is timed with the shows release. This is the problem with Microsoft's hands-off approach. They need to fix their management so we get more big games sooner.
Are modern game tools that bad? Why does it take a decade to design a new game? It is not like they have to hand draw every texture.
I say there is a conspiracy.
Would rather they kill Fallout and Elder Scrolls and make more new IP, it's been too long. But it's Microsoft and it seems like their strategy is to sell games to fans with the name on the box and disappointing them again and again with underwhelming to terrible games.
Yeah, all of Microsoft’s RPG studios are currently busy. Bethesda are obviously working on TESVI and Starfield updates, Inxile are working on Clockwork Revolution and Obsidian are working on their next two mediocre flops (Avowed and OW2). So who’s gonna make it? I guess Microsoft could tell Bethesda Austin to stop working on 76 and start on a new mainline game? Seems like poor timing tbh.
Only way you could get another Fallout game out soon would be to have someone make a spinoff using F76 assets as the base. That would probably just piss people off because it wouldn’t look modern enough.
Bethesda slop is some of the most cookie cutter open world games in existence, they can literally just copy paste 3/4ths of fallout 4, get new voice actors and make chatgpt come up with the plot and they could finish developing the game in º6 months tops
xbox and playstation need to discontinue console making and only publish video games from now on. PC and mobile is the future. consolegays will move over to PC whether they like it or not.
This is the turnaround I was expecting, MS invested billions buying up all these companies that take a decade between games with no ROI for years, there was no way they were going to let that just continue. To appease these companies they'll be allowed to continue with the "main" entries of their franchises, but you're going to see a shitload of spinoff games over the next few years, for good or bad.
no they did that to frick the modding community lol. re-releasing a game is extremely easy no matter what they do to it so it was done to frick with modders.
It did happen/is happening. New Arc Line and Clockwork Revolution are directly Arcanum inspired. It's too bad they're both going to be painfully middling.
>Rereleasing Skyrim at least 6 times >TESO made 2 billion in revenue >Fallout 76 player count exploded and a large portion of the veterans playing the game since release have a Fallout 1st subscription
This is why you cannot have nice things
at this point I'm pretty sure they're scrambling to fix as many issues as possible while on borrowed time from the Latest Delay as they've had like 3 of them by now claiming that the mod is totally done and ready to ship
it won't release until *all* of the mods they incorporate into fallout london are updated to the latest f4se, which may take months
Remind me why any of you frickers cheered on Microsoft buying random publishers? This is the direct result. Same shit as EA purchasing BioWare, without any respect for the BioWare process. Burnt those canadians out in less than 5 years before audiences went from saying BioWare was GOATed to being the shittiest AAA developer ever.
bioware imploded from within, EA is not to blame. EA actually gave them freedom to do whatever and then we got fricking anthem. bioware died the moment Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka left, there was nobody capable of filling their shoes.
Do you lads remember when Fallout 4 got announced? That first trailer shown at the game awards, Todd on stage in his iconic leather jacket, the trailer ends and he tells us Fallout 4 is dropping in six months?
That was the fricking way to do it, and it was reported that Bethesda wanted to do reveals like FO4 for all their games going forward.
FO3 is lame theme park that has horrible combat and even worse world building (and only is playable if you play it through TTW), and FO4 is Fallout themed Far Cry game with insane character customization modding community. Pick your poison.
Fallout 3 is okay-ish if you think of it like it's a fan-made mod of Fallout. It has some awful writing (probably bottom of the barrel for Bethesda in the 2000s) but it's also hilarious in how bad it is.
Fallout 4 I just couldn't stomach, most people like the gameplay and story more than for 3 and NV but to me it just felt soulless and boring. I've tried 2 or 3 times and I've uninstalled every time before I even reach the major city hub.
When did devtime bloat start? Early 2010s?
It's fricking insane, hyper succesful games that have no sequel 10 years later. Witcher 3 got two big DLCs not long (comperatively) after launch and since they we had a mobile game and nothing else.
I envy you old fricks who got a game from your favourite franchise every few years in the 2000s.
2015 or so, that's when it gone to shit for all companies simultaneously.
I was just looking at Bioware releases just now, they used to have a big game back to back every year. Even if it the game was kinda shit like DA2 or ME3, at least you always knew there was something to play further ahead.
Then they did DA:I in 2014. Then the Andromeda/Anthem shit happened in 2017/2018. And then they just fricking gave up. We've gone from a point where we had Dragon Age every 2/3 years to maybe we're getting a sequel a decade later.
I wonder if late 2010s/early 2020s were just a massive crash for gaming and nobody just talked about it.
No, it's exactly the opposite. Gaming has become big, too big to fail. These companies are incredibly risk averse and their releases are tuned entirely to the market.
Investors made CDPR release cyberpunk a lot earlier than the devs wanted to, iirc. People assume it was being made since 2013 when the CG trailer was released, but by then it was just concept art. The work began after the w3 DLCs, so 2016-ish. Four years is actually decent devtime for a huge game, but they clearly needed more time.
That's the worst time, the bloatee dev time is warranted. And this is with them paying a billion pajeet codemonkeys.
Maybe we just need to return to Xbox 360 graphics, it wouldn't be a big loss in exchange for actually fricking having games to play before I become middle aged.
In defense of the suits, redditors were literally ready to shoot up CDPR's office Charlie Hebdo style if the game got delayed again. Cyberpunk was deserved.
Yeah, I remember everyone throwing a shit fit with every delay. I doubt CDPR could gain such hype again without a witcher 4.
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>I doubt CDPR could gain such hype again without a witcher 4
did you somehow completely miss how hyped people were for Phantom Liberty and its glowing reception when it launched?
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It was nowhere close to W3, don't kid yourself. Much of it was residual from the anime anyhow.
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>Phantom Liberty
Doesn't compare anon, they've regained a little bit of goodwill but most people are still skeptical now of the company overall. See pic related and check also the achievements in Steam for Phantom Liberty stuff, it's at the bottom of the list (like 10% did all Phantom Liberty endings combined).
The initial Cyberpunk 2077 hype was insane, it was the hype from all the goodwill they had from Witcher 3 plus the way the game itself was advertised. It had possibility to reach GTA levels of popularity if they didn't faceplant with all the bugs so hard.
I swear Ubisoft has wizards working for them, they never let up with releasing new games.
I just wish it was an actually good studio instead.
Now CDPR has confirmed their next game is another Cyberpunk, the closest thing we'll get to a 'new' witcher anytime soon is the remake of the first game.
Do these homosexuals literally hate money? Witcher 3 released 4 years after 2 and was massive, both in scale and sales. It literally made them into the biggest studio in europe. Now, nothing. Better make a sequel to the embarassing frick-up instead!
Yeah, they posted a fricking medalion render on twitter. Do you think cyberpunk was in development since the CG trailer? They're not a big enough studio to juggle two major games and a remake at once.
It'll be running on unreal slop and use an oc donut witcher school so don't care. All they had to do was make ciri the mc but they couldn't do that right.
Also cyberpunk was shit so no reason to think witcher 4 would be any good.
>All they had to do was make ciri the mc
She's a moronic Mary sue that reads like a fan character even in the books, a game with her as the MC would be as dreadful as those flashback sequences in 3. Also what would the stakes even be for a character who can teleport into any world.
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kill god.
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>the game ends with Ciri beheading Sapkowski for being a israelite and demanding CDPR pay him more than he himself agreed to
Kino?
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I was more leaning into killing gunther o'dimm but frick it that works too.
If it's anything like 4 I don't care, remove the voiced protagonist and make it an rpg again with the improved gunplay and you will have a solid game on the minuscule chance they can deliver solid writing
Are there any good MS subsidiaries that could work on a new fallout? Obsidian isn't the same company it used to be.
I think if they spiffed up the 76 engine a bit it would be bearable. Starshit really overstepped its welcome with the procedural garbage, most normies will eat up another handcrafted world.
>anything that Microsoft touches turns to shit >so not really
We really don't know, none of the studios they bought have released anything yet. Only stuff already in production prior to the purchase.
Obsidian can still do it if they bring back Avellone and Ziets for one last project, and they finally catch a break and are allowed to develop a game properly. Literarily both of them are not doing anything right now and both of them (along Josh Sawyer who's still at Obsidian) were a big reason why New Vegas ended up being so good.
I don't really get why people say "Obsidian is shit now." They're fine. Outer Worlds is mediocre, not shit. Pentiment was a fun and compelling little adventure game.
Starfield was a more potent studio condemnation than any game released by Obsidian in the last decade.
I wouldn't call it a 4, I'd give it maybe a 6 or 7. There were compelling bits even if it didn't come together and it got closer to satisfying my FPSRPG itch than FO4 or anything else I've played so I gave it some leeway.
Outie Worlds got a lot of hate from culture wars homosexuals because all the women in-game look like dykes and the entire plot is some reddit wet dream, they've practically combined rick (from rick and morty) with bernie sanders and that's the most important character in the story.
It's an okey game, pales in comparison to Obsidian's best like KOTOR 2, Mask of the Betrayer and New Vegas but it's also way better than their other slop (OG Neverwinter Nights 2, Dungeon Siege 3). Shit, I'd probably put it above Pillars of Eternity too.
But it's just nowhere near as good as New Vegas, so I'm not hopeful for their future ...
Wasn't fallout 4 unceremoniously sharted out to the public in about 6 months from reveal to release? I remember the development of it being remarkably fast.
No. The best way forward is for them to continue to fail until they give up and withdraw so that actually good original games from actually talented midsize studios can step in and fill the gap
I like Alaska, just because a real fallout game has never done a colder biome. It has proximity to canada and china while still being american soil, potential for cool mutants, sea monsters and cool frontlines military shit, etc etc
I prefer FPS games but that would be incredibly cathartic to see the hyper-normies that only play 4 and 76 getting salty over muh janky outdated turn based combat
I definitely agree, but I find the first person perspective to be superior. Both in gameplay and immersion, altough I haven't played the wasteland games yet so I might come around on that.
big brain AAA move would be a button to switch between 1st person and isometric whenever you want
actual innovation
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I feel like it'd be like 3rd person in any bethesda game. Something you use to check what your character looks like in a new set of armor, not actually good enough to play.
Also, switching between fast paced FPS and turn based would basically mean they'd need to make two games.
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Fast-paced FPS is not a good fit for Fallout anyway. The only reason that shit was tolerable was because of VATS in the first place, the complete opposite of fast pacing.
No, I'll always prefer first person perspective too, but WL3 felt closer to what I've wanted out of Fallout for the past decade despite being isometric. The writing and tone was just far more on-point.
If you have a meat-headed friend with the patience for RPGs it's like the optimal way to play it, IMO. You're a roving heavily armed frat fricking shit up.
i want to like those games but i don't want to babysit a whole squad worth of stats and upgrades
just let me control my own dude and then maybe grab a companion
>Had the possibility of making a Fallout 3 remaster and release it just after the show >Release a "next gen update" that add nothing next gen to Fallout 4 >Skyrim II won't be out for another 4 years >Fallout 5 is going to take 5-6 years to make >New Fallout game in 2030 - 2035
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>ES6 gets rushed out of the door and is shit because Bethesda is bad at making games >Fallout 5 ends up terrible anyway because Bethesda is bad at making games
Thank God for Microsoft, maybe we'll be able to see a AAA studio die and I'm already excited
They let the show come out without a game to capitalize on it
Whoever made that decision should be fired
pretty baffling how they straight up had nothing except for a patch for a 9 year old game that still somehow managed to suck despite being announced years ago. i think they just got caught flatfooted by the success of the show and wound up having to say "frick it, how much of that big patch is done? finish it up and ship it"
>9 years
Stop. Shut the frick up that cannot be true.
I'm sorry anon..
Skyrim was 13 years ago.
Fallout 4 was four years after Skyrim, in November 2015...
a patch that broke the game, mods and pretty much is just free CC for PC and took more time from announcement to release than New Vegas whole development cycle
lol the free Creation Club content doesn't even work, either
bethesda has always been shit
I doubt they thought it was going to be as popular as it was. But still, imagine a game following up the events in the show released the day after the season finale aired.
It'd selling a billion copies.
It managed to bring Fallout 76 back to public consciousness after the initial blunder. It didn't do much, but like that Cyberpunk anime, it's a good PR to refill one's public goodwill.
>make game populair again
>make it free with Amazon prime
>for pc and xbox
>also give all the classics for free AGAIN
morons, the lot of them
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By all accounts, they shouldve had Fallout New Vegas 2 or Fallout: Stardew Valley out, but remember they have Fallout 76: Their own Fortnite-like. A forever-platform they can just crank out reskinned monsters with higher levels and cashshop items to harpoon some whales. It's the ultimate least effort for most gain not having to make an entire world from the ground up, its like when indie devs discovered the roguelite formula.
>but remember they have Fallout 76: Their own Fortnite-like. A forever-platform they can just crank out reskinned monsters with higher levels and cashshop items to harpoon some whales
it's so weird remembering that people actually play this shit and consider it fallout
I dont know and dont know anyone who plays it. If I were to take a leap Id guess they sucker in people who dont follow news or forums and just saw "Fallout" and bought the latest installment. First wave was lost in the buggy launch, another when encountered the grind and cashshop, and then the die hards with somehow endless disposable income stays and that is enough to keep it afloat like any live service game.
Now they're working on a starfield show. The goyvision to goygayming pipeline is in effect.
>Now they're working on a starfield show
Really? Source.
They probably thought it was going to be a dogshit failure like Halo
Even without taking the show into consideration they should've had studios work on spin-offs right after they acquired BGS, because looking into the dev pipeline of BGS it was always obvious that it would take almost 20 years for the eventual Fallout 5. It's ridiculous that they are only now having talks about a new Fallout from a different dev.
they thought everyone would want to play Fallout 76
It was a blunder sure, but they've bought themselves time.
The show got renewed for a second season, and probably could safely be expected to run for at least three, at this success rate. So that's about 3 years they could have to work on a game to position it for launch around when the show final season airs.
It's not optimal but it's better than nothing. Considering Obsidian could make NV in a year, I believe Bethesda should be able to make one in about 3.
i cant imagine the jank they would shit out in 3 years.
>Considering Obsidian could make NV in a year, I believe Bethesda should be able to make one in about 3.
NV had a lot of FO3 to build off of though. It's been too long since it came out to just do that off 4 (playing it recently, it does already feel annoyingly dated). Maybe they try to adapt a bunch of Starfield stuff?
At best they should have Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas remastered along with the Fallout 4 garbage update.
Millions are playing Fallout 4 right now tho, I'm even about to start it up.
They had the possibility of making a Fallout 3 remake / remaster on the Fallout 4 or Starfield version of the Creation Engine but fricked it up
It actually revived Fallout 76, something no one thought was possible
It was already going steady before that, but yeah the game definitely saw a bunch new players especially with the free weekend and the free Fallout 1st trial
MIcrosoft are morons, but you want rushed slop?
Name on Bethesda game that isn't slop. The best one they didn't even make (New Vegas) was the literal definition of rushed slop and it's better than the other titles by a mile.
I don't think they expected the gaslighting bot campaign to have worked as well as it did tbh. Every indicator pointed to it bombing but I guess the 4 cult still had cinder left to burn.
They even gave away a lot of their games away for free with prime. So chances are, if you watch the show, you got the games for free.
I want to frick that dog.
You have to play as female MC to do that
Boys have holes too.
Mr Nate, it would seem we have found another 'canadian'
Give it to Larian
Latrine Studios? They've never made a RPG in their entire history.
better than slopout 4
compared to what Todd has made? lmao
Todd has multiple factions you can join and have mutually exclusive gamepths with. Latrine Studios have zero roleplaying depth in their dogshit wegs which is why Todd won with Skyrim selling 60 million copies and Swen ate shit with his irrelevant dogshit troony's Gape kekw
I wouldn't call GOTY eating shit but ok whatever helps you sleep at night
>paid reviews and awards
>mattering
kekw
Todd won the only award that matters - the 60 million copies sold award. You can cope with your botted playercounts and shill reviews while selling peanuts lol.
Baldur's Gate sold over 15 million copies, more than Starfield btw
>Baldur's Gate sold over 15 million copies
So it was a massive flop nowhere near Todd's level? OK, moron.
Best numbers I've seen for Starfield is 12 million.
Skyrim numbers don't mean shit, 75% of that 60 million sales were made 2 years later at heavy discounts and sales. I think even I own like 3 or 4 copies of Skyrim because I got them at bargain bin prices like a dollar lmao
Skyrim came out much later than troony's Gape which means it already outsold your dogshit weg lol.
>muh discounts
Just like troony's Gape discounts? Skyrim destroys and merciless mogs your dogshit weg with zero roleplaying depth then shits down its mouth. Snap your dumb fricking neck latrine sucking chinkcel. Go bot more fake players, maybe 1% of them will translate into actual sales kekw.
That looks like some piracy shit. Didn't know Sloprim enjoyers don't know how to use torrent and pay for their pirated content.
BG3 didn't have a discount bigger than 5 dollars so far.
I don't need a cure for insomnia.
There would be a certain amount of people who would really like that, but it would be instant franchise death because every normie who knows the series as a first person shooter would avoid it like the plague.
If they're just trying to make something to take advantage of the show they could rework some mobile free2play crap that's already in development into Fallout.
the console or who is xbox?
>who is xbox?
The Microsoft branch for gaming, that killed Microsoft Studios (formerly Microsoft Game Studios).
>He doesn't know who Mr. Xbox is
yeah i thought i was going to be mr smarty pants and say "consoles talk now?" but xbox is a fricking brand under microsoft as well as the console i dont know why i didnt know this for over 20 years
PRINT THE GAME! NOOOOOOOW!
>it's claimed
The person claiming it is Jez so it's likely just him coping.
I thought it was rumored for a while now that inXile was working on a Fallout-related project alongside that Clockwork game.
Probably a remake of the original in the same vein as their Wasteland games.
The frick is Id working on?
That Doom Year Zero game that got leaked and assisting MachineGames with their Quake reboot.
awww i don't want those moronic swedes to be in charge of quake
They made some pretty excellent new episodes for the night dive quake 1 and 2 ports. I think they could pull off a good quake 6.
>YOU WHITE ASS FASCIST MYTHOS PIGS
It's fricking over bros
why even have machine games doing the reboot if they have to hire a second developer to make it not shit? why not just hire id directly
If this is true, then CucKbox and Phil deserve their downfall
Considering that on bethesdas current speed nect TES would ne somewhere around later 2030s, that would make FO5 around 2045 (or around 2060s is current rate of devtime bloat continues), so them wanting it sooner makes perfect sense.
Why don't they just either create a new team under the leadership of some veterans, or just give it to another studio? After Starfield, it's obvious that Bethesda's creative team is nothing special and few OGs are still there. It's easy to emulate their style as they did with New Vegas.
Todd's still asshurt about being outshone in NV so that ain't happening unless Phil "Shoots Self in the Foot" Spencer steps in.
I promise you, Todd really does not care about FNV especially with how obnoxious and political it's fans have proven to be, if anything they're glad to be distanced from it now
Fun fact, Starfield was in development longer than PS4 was considered "next gen" and current gen.
TES6 is likely a 10th gen game.
AAA development is so bloated and takes so long to develop, they should start making standalone expansion like games like New Vegas or STALKER sequels as soon as possible.
They had a chance to fix FO4 with FO76, except they made it live service game
Also Fallout 4 "next gen update" somehow took 1.5 years in development, which is especially baffling, considering how fricking barebones it was.
I said this earlier in the thread but I legit believe they just threw it on the backburner a long time ago and after the show was a hit went “oh frick, what fallout stuff do we have that we can put out? frick it finish up the FO4 patch and announce it”.
And it'll still freeze and drop the game. It's happened to me 3 times now.
They threw that shit together in 2 weeks.
I'd rather play Skyrim modernized to FO4 engine or FO4 New Vegad equivalent than fricking Starfield. What a blunder that game was. Does Bethesda hate money? I'd applaud them for making a passion project instead of milking their household IP if Starfield wasn't so bad in both design and execution.
I relish the day TESVI comes out based on how FO4, 76 and Starfield released, it may be the biggest gaming shitshow in existence.
The whole game is going to use AI generation/procedural generation so "it's different every time you play" and "everyone will have their own unique experience".
Bethesda hasn't had the guts to try anything new in 20 years
starfield? like come on anon.
and Starfield was a hilarious mess with 0 coordination and communication between the outsourced pajeet code monkeys making assets for the game. TES 6 will probably end up with a million inconsistencies within itself.
I'm quite convinced pajeet outright scammed Microsoft pretending the few locations they'd created were just a small sample and not the actual total
They can't even do New Vegas 2 anymore unless they decanonize the show or the game itself, the show literally nukes every plot thread from NV to tell their own story. Having to start from scratch wouldn't be very compelling for a sequel to a game with so much shit going on in it
Anon, NV2 is just a codeword for "another fallout game by obsidian"
Very few people want them to reuse the location.
I'd want arizona or texas. Maybe even florida. [I'm europoor so I have 0 idea which other state would be cool
Texas would be fantastic idea if done with same formula as FNV, especially considering that there's Bethesda studio in Texas.
Isn't Bethesda Austin the poor group of flunkies who got tasked with Fallout 76 and blamed for its abysmal failure at launch?
It was mostly because of rushed development and inexperienced staff. They hired bunch of dumbasses who lack knowledge, rushed out the game in less than 2 years, and because new devs didn't knew how to do engine work at all, results were shit at first but now things got slightly better. Game is now fully playable and can be fun.
Same, fellow europoor fallout fan here. Personally I'd want something near the great lakes, preferably somewhere more out west. Basically no lore outside of barely-canon tactics stuff, just ripe for another game.
>I'd want something near the great lakes
niagara falls would be an amazing location, imagine a game set in canada and the current day US while the niagara falls is some kind of divide. The only bad thing I can see about this is that it would end up like new vegas where you fight over a dam
A game partially set in Canada would be cool
is xbox aware that they own these studios
Let me introduce you to a company called Microsoft, which is legendary for the amount of isolation between its business units (second only to the amount of infighting and backstabbing among them)
btw nadella has made it his mission to kill off xbox, so he is doing this on purpose
i'll do it
it'll be isometric 3d like C&C generals, in godot
Were they rushed with starfield? If not, then I can only wonder what rushed will look like.
They should've skipped Starfield and made TES 6 instead. FO5 wouldn't work becaus TES fans would be livid FO got 3 games in a row and TES nothing.
Rushing FO5 now is stupid because nobody will rememeber the TV show by the time it's finished. The show is good but not fricking Breaking Bad. A few months (and that's generous) of relevancy is all it has.
It's mind bottling that Starfield is literally Todd's dream game that he'd been in some way planning since the fricking 90s and it's the single blandest least interesting game ever made
I heard it is basically a fast travel simulator. Just loading screens and fast travel between everything
Todd lies
>A few months (and that's generous) of relevancy is all it has.
Well there is always the next season, or the season after that one
Can another developer buy the Fallout IP from Bugthesda? I don't want them to pull another Starfield to one of my favorite series.
Yeah they should just drop the series which just got them 7500% sales in one game alone, and made them a boat load after the uber successful show
moron, why not just hope they finally hire some good writers, Bethesda is good for anything except that. I dont even like the bethesda fallouts, but wanting another dev to take the IP is unrealistic. Who would? Obsidian's talent is gone.
>why not just hope they finally hire some good writers, Bethesda is good for anything except that
They won't because bugthesda are lazy fricks. Fallout could be something much more in the hands of a competent dev but instead we are going to get Starfield 2.0 because they're incompetent and doesn't know how to make good RPGs. The average american loves Skyrim so they're going to do the same bullshit with the same engine and will slap the name of Fallout in the cover and call it a day since people will buy it anyway.
>could be something much more in the hands of a competent dev
Like? Last time someone tried it we got The Outer Worlds whose only legacy is people going 'wait you mean the wilds, right?'
Larian Studios, since CRPGs are popular again thanks to BG3
I'd be fine with every developer skipping Xbox and doing PC/PS5 only so that piece of shit Series S would stop holding everything back. Series X is fine but the S is such a fricking dumpster fire.
>Bethesda is good for anything except that.
Wrong. Everything they do is shit except for marketing, which is how they make a frickton of money in the first place. Starfield had over 10 million copies sold in under a month.
fallout belongs to microsoft not bethesda
Bethesda should really let some other studios take a crack at their properties. A new top down fallout or even TES could be really cool and wouldn't really be competing with bethsoft's output.
The funny thing in all this is that if Bethesda had just done nothing, Fallout London would have come out and the people clamoring for new fallout shit to coincide with the show would have had at least SOMETHING to try. Releasing the patch was the worst possible move, gotta love that classic Bethesda incompetence.
>Xbox wants Fallout 5 sooner
>But Todd is working on ES6, Inexile is making Clockwork, and Obsidian is just shit now.
NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME
Larian would only make it if it's multiplatform.
Larian only cares about PC. If MS paid them to cover for lost PS5 sales, they would've.
Larian already hates MS for wasting their time with the Series S splitscreen stuff. They don't have any interest in working with them.
Larian are making their own new space IP.
Which makes perfect sense - why would Larian work with anyone now that they made Baldurs Gate 3? Everyone will play their next game just to see how it compares to BG3. But if they make BG4 or some other licensed game they would have to share revenue with others - here meanwhile they have their very own new IP and can keep all the money for themselves.
Hasbro was going to ask for more money on a license renewal and impose greater restrictions on what they can do. It wasn't worth continuing down that path.
Black person people only cared for BG3 because of the BG+DnD IP with massive Marketing thanks to Hasbro?. It aint even a decent game.and Hasbro owns it all.
I have avoided it thus far specifically because of the DnD stuff. I have all of Larian's other games, though; Even Beyond Divinity.
yeah and im saying most people dont care about Larian specifically and only about the IPs. Also going for a space game is just moronation at this point. There is too many that were complete flops and you would have to compete with no mans sky in that niche, which gets continous updates and has years worth of content.
Yes moron, and now that a lot of people have played it and liked it they can add "from the developers of BG3" to their next title to get great publicity, which is what anon was talking about.
Sucks to be Mr. Xbox then.
ITT: Fans in denial expecting Microsoft would do anything but ruin and missmanage every Bethesda IP
Really from a financial PoV it would be stupid for MS to allow bethesda to just sit on TES and FO IPs
These IPs make bank and are system sellers for them.
Th reason we have not had a new TES game is because ESO makes them cash and it will take the playerbase away.
I guess they tried to do the same with FO76.
Still what MS should do is either split the bethesda team on 2 projects, FO and TES or get obsidian on FO after their game drops (which looks shit and will most likely flop) with consultation from bethesda while bethesda make the next TES game.
they should not place different developers in different gaming divisions
>bethesa, obsidion rpg divisions
>activision, 343 dude bro shooter division
>zenimax, blizzard mmo division
and so on, they need to micromanage the hell out of these different developers and this is a more effective way of doing it
*they should
ignore the not
I think from a creative PoV it is best to keep all the teams separate, but specifically obsidian, they have experience with fallout and the shit engine, they could easily make a FO"5" (spin off like NV) while bethesda works on TES.
id has experience with the engine getting the FPS shit to work too. Putting these teams together could help.
I get the bethesda wanted to make a new IP and from a financial PoV it is worth a risk though imagine starfield was super successful then bethesda has 3 alternating IPs, which would mean over 10 years between new entries.
Financially that is a poor decision when you could bring the IPs out in 3-5 year intervals.
look at all the slop Ubisoft produces in a small timeframe, they run a tight ship and microsoft needs to do the same thing, the devs have too much autonomy, and this is the reason why they are turning to consultation studios like sweet baby because they’re not getting any sort of narrative or creation advice from microsoft
R* do the same thing as well.
Though MS and more specifically, sony, they are priding themselves on allowing the devs to have creative freedom.
They cant afford to consolidate all teams to do 1 game because they need a constant flow of new games and IPs to keep the hardware sales going.
Its a different situation for ubisoft and R* who are just game studios.
Saying that though EA does what MS and sony do too, allows the dev teams to work on their IPs individually.
>Really from a financial PoV it would be stupid for MS to allow Bethesda to just sit on TES and FO IPs
But MS is actually THAT stupid. They literarily bought like 10 companies in the past 5/6 years and none of them have released a video game that wasn't already planned before the buyout.
Think about it again - Microsoft hasn't started working on a single game with any of the companies they've bought so far for half a decade.
I am well aware of how moronic they are bro.
Fricking hell they killed lionhead and their IPs, killed rare just as the FPS boom was happening they got the team known for quality console FPS to make kinect ga,es.
The REAL issue, its that MS ia corporation, all they care about is fiscal increases and because of that their prerogative is make money over smart business in the gaming industry.
Its like nobody in charge at MS know what gamers actually want.
Sony and nintendo on the other hand have the industry perfected.
WELL DUH WHY WOULD THEY. ITs about sending a message to SOYN without them and their games SOYN SUFFERS IN TENS OF MILLIONS OF SALES. THESE BILLION DOLLAR BUY OUTS WERE WORTH IT!
Even tho minecraft the most popular game ever the most sold game of all time the game 20 years in the future people will still be fricking playing i bet you(In the non cancer versions). Was bought for 2b even after a decade I am HIV postive MS has not even got 1/5th that back in TOTAL profit, not sales not X bullshit where taxes and everything else makes it seem huge.
The game people keep buying and more than one copy because a copy of the game is one online account only. Is their best selling AND GOD KNOWS FRICKING HOW MOST PROFITABLE IP/GAME game. EVEN WITH THE MASSIVE FRICKING DEBT LOW COST OF THE GAME AND MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY TAKEN AWAY EACH SALE FOR SHIT EARNING MS LIKE 2-5$ a copy for minecrat. No one plays bedrock its garbage they thought children would steal mommy and daddies credit card to buy stolen mods from subhuman indians&chinks charging 10$ a skin and 20+ for some shitty items low effort created worlds or wtv random shit stolen from old free mods.
Every server is beyond P2W charging children 1-10$ per loot crate key 20-5k for their name on the server being a diffrent color the more they spent the bolder the color to dab on le poors. Charging for items with stats you cant get. These servers even shitty ones with less than 500 players are pulling in thousands of dollars a month. And MS does not see a penny of that money. The large servers are pulling in tens of thousands a month. And the most popular servers are literal fricking money fountains is morons blow so much money on OP items blocks because they are to lazy to do anything cosmedic items to call people poor. And loot boxes with odds so low winning the lottery is legit 9001X more common&easier.
Wait are you serious? I stopped giving a shit about Minecraft a long time ago but I always assumed that Microsoft is making a lot of money from it. I didn't know they don't see any money from the private server shit lmao
It's pretty crazy that the company who has undisputed supremacy in much of the business/productivity sector is flunking the gaming market so hard.
good either whip those homies into shape or force them to let other studios get their hands on the ips like with new vegas. There is 0 reason it should take them 20 fricking years to shit out something the quality of starfield. obviously 90% of the company is sitting around jerking off. What's the point in all the bloat and outsourcing to Indians if it means lower quality games that take longer to make.
Even with Obsidian being shit now - handing them Fallout 5 or atleast a new spinoff would make sense. Bethesda will be busy with TES 6 for another 5+ years and out of all those other XBOX studios Obsidian are still suited best for that job. Everyone else is either busy or they got next to no experience with RPGs like Fallout.
Anyway: XBOX people are right when they say that Fallout 5 not happening until +2030 is unacceptable. The series is getting hyped right now and they want to respond to that.
Isn't Obsidian making their own first-person fantasy RPG right now?
avowed, set in the same universe as PoE
shit looks bland tbh
Yeah but Awowed is basically finished.
I am sure this was supposed to be a big TES-rival at some point but after Bethesda got bought by MS they changed plans to turn it into the weird short story driven game that it is now. Cause why make a TES clone if you got the TES studio?
They've been making avowed for years and its apparently a disaster. They're working on outershit 2 for whatever reason as well.
They are making both outer worlds 2 and avowed, people just assumes obshartian got unlimited budget,manpower and perfect management for some reason
ye and look so fricking bad because the studio right now is devoid with talent. but who knows, no game studio offer something better that isnt looter n shooter in first person
Well, if mister Xbox wants a new Fallout game, maybe they should consider closing all Bethesda studios and lending the IP to a studio that can work with anything but the dogshit fricking Creation Engine. inXile, Owlcat, Larian, id?
Just make New Vegas 2 morons. Handcuff Sawyer to a fricking radiator and tell him he's not walking free until the game is finished.
or just remaster morrowind and bundle it with the series s
They already shutdown NV2 which was supposed to focus on the Boneyard. That's not happening now that the Show is set there
That was then and this is now. Have Toddler beg Sawyer on his knees to make a FO4.5 game in the vein of NV, I don't give a shit. It's moronic to not capitalize on the show.
We've already been to fricking New Vegas, I don't want to go to the same bloody map we already been to 14 years ago frick that
Anon clearly means in the south west, Texas would be cool or arizona. Fallout: Texas would sell like hot cakes.
They already did Texas with Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel game so that's off the table
>Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Not canon never happen its not real. Plus doesn't that happen like 100 years after the war when 3/4/NV are 200ish.
>In 2007, Todd Howard stated that "neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel happened".[3] Emil Pagliarulo revealed in 2020 that the decision to disregard Fallout Tactics was revised.[4]
They mostdef wanna do something with Texas and also wank the BoS. Fallout Texas would be fricking awsome, just imagine a map as nice as 76(this was always the good thing about 76 since day 1 and something I wish people spoke of more the map is wonderful, yeah nothing was in for 3 years. Doesn't change the fact west virgina is god damn stunning and they really nailed it.) but 2-3 larger even add in the eastern coast&mexican boarder where most mexicans go full on aztec again.
Bethesda actually consider tactics semi-canon, they like to take inspiration from it.
Josh Sawyer would rather kill himself than work with Chris again.
>Josh Sawyer would rather kill himself than work with Chris again.
I thought Chris was cleared of all the accusations and given a hefty settlement
He was, millions too. It was complete bullshit and made up, the morons thought they could get massive likes attention and money. While fighting for imaginary civil rights, while attacking liberty and trying to destory some random persons life completely making it so they can never work again.
If I recall he easily won both cases, they admited fully they made everything. And he never abused women touched or spoke badly about them in a sexual way ever. I think with him it was the turning point with the whole #metoo thing. Where even the media realized ok this is clown world were going to get sued to frick if we keep posting imaginary news about horrific attacks/abuse that never happened. Because reporting on something like this as fact&truth, when someone is making it up. Because they realize they can get a massive amount of money,fame,attention and future work. Making up stuff because the met someone popular/famous once for 5 seconds or were at the same event as them. People&the media just realized wait this is insane everyone knows rape&sexual assault is wrong immoral and horrific . Cis white scum males are not all muhsoggyknee rapists... we need to stop saying this without real proof. Women are getting sued and sued hard now, because even uttering this shit ruins someones life. Doesnt matter if its true the damage is already done, at if someone gets blacklisted and fired. Well even if they sue and win because its completely made up. People dont want to deal with the what if, or how they're bullying or abusing women even more trying to hide what they did!
Also the fact 95% of sexual assaults and real rapes, not this white man once touched me or said something to me. But some filthy brown people grabbed me at night slammed my face against the wall/counter. Tore off my clothes and took turns gangraping me. Or how yet anotehr taxi driver locked the doors and drove off with a drunk woman. Bringing her to a "safe" place and proceeded to gang rape her.
Josh is a gaylord who screws up hardcore game difficulty balance in each Obsidian game, also Microsoft hiring Avellone to get back at Todd after the starfield debacle would be just too funny and the guy probably has a couple scripts ready at this point
No, hard no. Let New Vegas be its' own thing and focus on something else.
Fallout based in Texas or Mexico would be actually worth attention due to history and cultural influence.
>it's claimed
>it's claimed
>it's claimed
>it's claimed
>it's claimed
phil is a moron, and nutella is only capable of wringing money out of bloated vendor locked corporations.
noone at microsoft actually has any vision.
>Clockwork
Give me Wasteland 4
Xbox always wins.
It looks like shit.
Bethesda is such a cursed company
>owns two of the highest-profile IPs in gaming
Although they deserve credit for developing Fallout into one
>TES was made great by people who haven't worked at Bethesda in a decade or more
>Fallout was made great by people who never even worked at Bethesda
>every time the company tries to do something original, it fails miserably
>and yet it succeeds
>every single game they release is more dumbed down than the last
>and yet it succeeds
>oblivion dumbs down morrowind
>outperforms it
>fallout 3 outpeforms fallout 1 and 2 put together, 10 times over
>skyrim dumbs down oblivion
>outperforms it
>fallout 4 dumbs down fallout 3, which is honestly impressive
>outperforms it
>fallout 76 isn't even fallout, and it's launch is one of the worst in gaming history
>as if defying fate, it rises from its grave years after the fact and hits its peak concurrent player count
I remember when Fallout 4 was released, both consumers and journalists basically said, "Enough is enough, get your shit together with whatever you release next, Bethesda." That was in 2015. Not even Fallout 76's launch or Starfield is enough to kill this studio. People will just keep buying their products forever because Bethesda will forever be the only fish in the small pond that is their specific sub-genre of open world games. They'll hold TES and Fallout hostage forever, releasing mediocre product after mediocre product, and doing it so slowly that people will forget that they promised themselves not to buy the next Bethesda game a decade ago.
they failed their way to success
hopefully Microsoft gets impatient and just hands Fallout to passionate competent people
that's the punchline of the 20 year joke that Bethesda has been telling since Morrowind: the one time that Fallout did escape Bethesda's orbital pull, it gave us what is widely regarded as one of the greatest RPGs of all time. for whatever reason, TES only gets bad spin-offs, although i know that there are some people who like TESO.
>regarded as one of the greatest RPGs of all time
F:NV is babys first RPG.
Play OG fallouts and even Arcanum if you want propper RPG's
nta
I just killed the Master and destroyed the base.
New Vegas is easily better, Jesus Christ.
>rises from its grave years after the fact and hits its peak concurrent player count
Having a bunch of band wagon int normies play it during a free week isn’t rising from the dead, wait a month and it will be back to exactly where it was before.
You seem to ignore the elephant in the room called Starfield
It doesn't matter, because TES6 will sell 15+ million copies because of its brand alone. The quality of the games doesn't even matter, that's the point I'm making.
>TES6 will sell 15+ million copies because of its brand alone.
I'm not so sure. Normies know Skyrim, but they don't know Elder Scrolls
people will call it skyrim 2 which is enough for normies
Then why did Skyrim sell? You could say the same thing but with normies knowing Oblivion but not TES, and then on with Morrowind, etc etc/
>Normies know Skyrim, but they don't know Elder Scrolls
"From the creators of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell"
Is tes 6 going to be in hammerfell, I forgot
It's going to be hammerfall because of Black folk, but remember it was only thought to be in hammerfell because the youtube homosexuals thought the redfall copywrite was TES instead of that gay vampire game. So there's a chance.
>gay vampire game
What game are you talking about? I don't remember a game like this in recent times
Redfall, the gay vampire game that bombed so bad it got deleted from your memory.
I had to google it, they are selling it for 69.99 euros and there is a 99.99 version. No wonder that it bombed
Skyrim was less stupid than Oblivion in general
Its not like the morrowind character mechanics did anything positive for oblivion
Because Bethesda captured a big portion of the wants/needs for gaming market that nobody else is trying to tap into.
They're the only company until relatively recent time who actually tries to do "immersive" open world RPGs. I'm talking games that you can fully play in first person, complete open world, complete left to you how to build character and so on.
Most other RPGs are either narrative RPGs like BG3, Witcher games etc or they're hub-based immersive games like Deus Ex. Only recent cases like Cyberpunk or The Outer Worlds started to go into that niche.
It's similar with Rockstar and their massive success with GTA and RDR2. Because genuinely nobody from the big companies dared/gave a frick to do like proper action game set in a modern world with gangsters and shit, or like a proper triple-A western game. Nobody is even daring to challenge them anymore.
Like if I ask you to name an alternative to Fallout itself, maybe you will say STALKER (no game released in 15 years), Metro Exodus or maybe some of that zombie shit. And all of them are more shooters than RPGs. So that's why they get away with so much cursed shit, because they're one of the few companies will deliver that basic high fantasy "fantasy", or that "post-apocalyptic" fantasy. The rest don't even try ...
Called it
Wait, what is InExile working on?
Clockwork Revolution, which appears to be an imsim -Shock clone.
I just saw a trailer, no idea how that slipped me by, yeah, got a ton of Bioshock Infinite vibes from it with the time hopping and Handymen. Plus coming from Lies of P feel "society enhanced by steampunk robots" really is popular now. And they very cheekily added "from the makers of Arcanum" in there. Its quite a departure from Wasteland 2 and 3, but Ill await with tempered expectations.
Perfect time for Obsidian to make New Vegas 2.
InXile can co-develop now that Tim and the other guy have made up.
Don't hire Obsidian, hire the people in the NV credits. Most of them left the company years ago.
This. Even with some of the remaining Obsidian/Black Isle veterans we still got slop like The Outer Worlds, Tides of Numenera.
It needs to be all of them together at once, or as many of them as possible. Avellone, Sawyer, Ziets, Tim Cain, Boyarsky, Anderson etc ... with someone else (maybe Arkane or id software) to handle the engine/tech stuff. Anything else might as well let Bethesda team of slop writers and engineers handle it.
>It needs to be all of them together at once, or as many of them as possible
wtf you mean killing them all in one strike thats a bit ....i guess you're right, this ip needs a clean slate after all the shit it saw
>with someone else (maybe Arkane or id software) to handle the engine/tech stuff.
id
Arkane is terrible at engine programming. Look at how shit Void Engine turned out to be. Then they dropped back to Unreal.
My only concern with id is that at some point the Microsoft enshittefication will take root and make them shit too. But right now they're among the best.
Well, they should've planned it out so that it is timed with the shows release. This is the problem with Microsoft's hands-off approach. They need to fix their management so we get more big games sooner.
Elder Scrolls will possibly become the highest selling video game of all time. Only GTA 6 might compete.
GTA completely mogs TES. Skyrim is the most successful TES game that sold 60 million copies. That's peanuts for GTA.
Are modern game tools that bad? Why does it take a decade to design a new game? It is not like they have to hand draw every texture.
I say there is a conspiracy.
Maybe the patch is supposed to be intentionally bad so people go to 76 instead.
does the fallout 4 update actually look any better because i feel it in my gut the the changes are hardly noticeable
they'd be better off hyping up S2 and trying to get a release to coincide with it's release. the rumored remake of 3 would fill that gap nicely
it's been 9 years since fallout 4
You're telling me ghey're going to re-release 3 before they even begin making 5?
The future fricking sucks
A spin off like new vegas for fallout 3
but for fallout 4 would be the ideal move
reuse most of the same assets and just pump out a game with a new story
they'll force Arkane to work on it
I just finished ep 1 of the show.
Will it get better than this?
I don't see the hype for the show.
Would rather they kill Fallout and Elder Scrolls and make more new IP, it's been too long. But it's Microsoft and it seems like their strategy is to sell games to fans with the name on the box and disappointing them again and again with underwhelming to terrible games.
Yeah, all of Microsoft’s RPG studios are currently busy. Bethesda are obviously working on TESVI and Starfield updates, Inxile are working on Clockwork Revolution and Obsidian are working on their next two mediocre flops (Avowed and OW2). So who’s gonna make it? I guess Microsoft could tell Bethesda Austin to stop working on 76 and start on a new mainline game? Seems like poor timing tbh.
>Inxile are working on Clockwork Revolution
Guess what game is going to get reworked into Fallout.
>working on starfield updates
Only way you could get another Fallout game out soon would be to have someone make a spinoff using F76 assets as the base. That would probably just piss people off because it wouldn’t look modern enough.
>still getting jobs after Fallout 4, Fallout 76 and Starfield
Todd is the luckiest midget in the world.
Nobody is churning out a Fallout spinoff anytime soon, both Obsidian and Inxile are as busy as Bethesda atm.
343i Will make it.
Fallout: Kabul
Outsource it to obsidian and hire Avalon too
Bethesda is caca del perro
Ggez
It's hilarious how quickly forgotten Todd's "dream game" was.
Bethesda slop is some of the most cookie cutter open world games in existence, they can literally just copy paste 3/4ths of fallout 4, get new voice actors and make chatgpt come up with the plot and they could finish developing the game in º6 months tops
I can't for Elder Scrolls VI! I wonder what pro-
>It's Hammerfell
Oh. Nevermind.
xbox and playstation need to discontinue console making and only publish video games from now on. PC and mobile is the future. consolegays will move over to PC whether they like it or not.
This is the turnaround I was expecting, MS invested billions buying up all these companies that take a decade between games with no ROI for years, there was no way they were going to let that just continue. To appease these companies they'll be allowed to continue with the "main" entries of their franchises, but you're going to see a shitload of spinoff games over the next few years, for good or bad.
No wonder why they milked Skyrim so much in the past 13 years. It sold 62 million copies
no they did that to frick the modding community lol. re-releasing a game is extremely easy no matter what they do to it so it was done to frick with modders.
This implies that they even realize modders exist, the truth is they don't even think about those troony beets at all
They should make a new Arcanum game to cash in on the success of BG3
I'm surprised that this hasn't already happened. There was a bit of a steampunk revival trend a 5-6 years back that they could have capitalized on.
It did happen/is happening. New Arc Line and Clockwork Revolution are directly Arcanum inspired. It's too bad they're both going to be painfully middling.
Then get Obsidian on it. You fricking own their asses too.
why do console gamers love suck wiener all the time?
>Rereleasing Skyrim at least 6 times
>TESO made 2 billion in revenue
>Fallout 76 player count exploded and a large portion of the veterans playing the game since release have a Fallout 1st subscription
This is why you cannot have nice things
>fallout 76
lol and how many of the million played for a day and realized the game is absolute shit and uninstalled?
Fallout London is soon coming out tho
Did they get over their hissyfit and just going to patch an old version of the game or are they trying to push it in the latest F4 update?
at this point I'm pretty sure they're scrambling to fix as many issues as possible while on borrowed time from the Latest Delay as they've had like 3 of them by now claiming that the mod is totally done and ready to ship
it won't release until *all* of the mods they incorporate into fallout london are updated to the latest f4se, which may take months
It'd be funny if they ported it to starfield when the tools released.
I read "come sooner" as "coomer".
This place is giving me brain rot.
last time it happen made bethesda seething so much that they still tarnishing it to this day
Remind me why any of you frickers cheered on Microsoft buying random publishers? This is the direct result. Same shit as EA purchasing BioWare, without any respect for the BioWare process. Burnt those canadians out in less than 5 years before audiences went from saying BioWare was GOATed to being the shittiest AAA developer ever.
bioware imploded from within, EA is not to blame. EA actually gave them freedom to do whatever and then we got fricking anthem. bioware died the moment Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka left, there was nobody capable of filling their shoes.
They'd make so much fricking money if they'd release fallout 3/NV or even a gimped version of FO4 for Nintendo switch.
Do you lads remember when Fallout 4 got announced? That first trailer shown at the game awards, Todd on stage in his iconic leather jacket, the trailer ends and he tells us Fallout 4 is dropping in six months?
That was the fricking way to do it, and it was reported that Bethesda wanted to do reveals like FO4 for all their games going forward.
i watched it again. the concept art posted up front, leading into the the reveal that the game starts before the bombs dropped is still really cool.
Their games are shit anyway might as well pump them out every year instead of waiting a decade for crap like Starslop
Should I play FO3 or FO4? Haven't played either. I've played FO1,2 and NV. I'm thinking of just doing NV again since its been like a decade.
FO3 is lame theme park that has horrible combat and even worse world building (and only is playable if you play it through TTW), and FO4 is Fallout themed Far Cry game with insane character customization modding community. Pick your poison.
honestly FO4 sounds more appealing when you put it like that. I have a soft-spot for Far Cry
Fallout 3 is okay-ish if you think of it like it's a fan-made mod of Fallout. It has some awful writing (probably bottom of the barrel for Bethesda in the 2000s) but it's also hilarious in how bad it is.
Fallout 4 I just couldn't stomach, most people like the gameplay and story more than for 3 and NV but to me it just felt soulless and boring. I've tried 2 or 3 times and I've uninstalled every time before I even reach the major city hub.
FO4 doesn't even feel like fallout anymore to me. It's like Skyrim, honestly. Vanilla kinda blows but it's a good modding platform.
3 has a terrible plot but it's a better "wander around and find loot and quests" kind of game. Good exploration.
Fallout 4 is just a crappy looter shooter. Fallout 3 is New Vegas but worse.
>It's MY IP to sit on and do nothing with!
When did devtime bloat start? Early 2010s?
It's fricking insane, hyper succesful games that have no sequel 10 years later. Witcher 3 got two big DLCs not long (comperatively) after launch and since they we had a mobile game and nothing else.
I envy you old fricks who got a game from your favourite franchise every few years in the 2000s.
2015 or so, that's when it gone to shit for all companies simultaneously.
I was just looking at Bioware releases just now, they used to have a big game back to back every year. Even if it the game was kinda shit like DA2 or ME3, at least you always knew there was something to play further ahead.
Then they did DA:I in 2014. Then the Andromeda/Anthem shit happened in 2017/2018. And then they just fricking gave up. We've gone from a point where we had Dragon Age every 2/3 years to maybe we're getting a sequel a decade later.
I wonder if late 2010s/early 2020s were just a massive crash for gaming and nobody just talked about it.
No, it's exactly the opposite. Gaming has become big, too big to fail. These companies are incredibly risk averse and their releases are tuned entirely to the market.
Investors made CDPR release cyberpunk a lot earlier than the devs wanted to, iirc. People assume it was being made since 2013 when the CG trailer was released, but by then it was just concept art. The work began after the w3 DLCs, so 2016-ish. Four years is actually decent devtime for a huge game, but they clearly needed more time.
That's the worst time, the bloatee dev time is warranted. And this is with them paying a billion pajeet codemonkeys.
Maybe we just need to return to Xbox 360 graphics, it wouldn't be a big loss in exchange for actually fricking having games to play before I become middle aged.
In defense of the suits, redditors were literally ready to shoot up CDPR's office Charlie Hebdo style if the game got delayed again. Cyberpunk was deserved.
Yeah, I remember everyone throwing a shit fit with every delay. I doubt CDPR could gain such hype again without a witcher 4.
>I doubt CDPR could gain such hype again without a witcher 4
did you somehow completely miss how hyped people were for Phantom Liberty and its glowing reception when it launched?
It was nowhere close to W3, don't kid yourself. Much of it was residual from the anime anyhow.
>Phantom Liberty
Doesn't compare anon, they've regained a little bit of goodwill but most people are still skeptical now of the company overall. See pic related and check also the achievements in Steam for Phantom Liberty stuff, it's at the bottom of the list (like 10% did all Phantom Liberty endings combined).
The initial Cyberpunk 2077 hype was insane, it was the hype from all the goodwill they had from Witcher 3 plus the way the game itself was advertised. It had possibility to reach GTA levels of popularity if they didn't faceplant with all the bugs so hard.
I swear Ubisoft has wizards working for them, they never let up with releasing new games.
I just wish it was an actually good studio instead.
Now CDPR has confirmed their next game is another Cyberpunk, the closest thing we'll get to a 'new' witcher anytime soon is the remake of the first game.
Do these homosexuals literally hate money? Witcher 3 released 4 years after 2 and was massive, both in scale and sales. It literally made them into the biggest studio in europe. Now, nothing. Better make a sequel to the embarassing frick-up instead!
They've already announced they are working on a new Witcher game too moron
Yeah, they posted a fricking medalion render on twitter. Do you think cyberpunk was in development since the CG trailer? They're not a big enough studio to juggle two major games and a remake at once.
It'll be running on unreal slop and use an oc donut witcher school so don't care. All they had to do was make ciri the mc but they couldn't do that right.
Also cyberpunk was shit so no reason to think witcher 4 would be any good.
>All they had to do was make ciri the mc
She's a moronic Mary sue that reads like a fan character even in the books, a game with her as the MC would be as dreadful as those flashback sequences in 3. Also what would the stakes even be for a character who can teleport into any world.
kill god.
>the game ends with Ciri beheading Sapkowski for being a israelite and demanding CDPR pay him more than he himself agreed to
Kino?
I was more leaning into killing gunther o'dimm but frick it that works too.
>mfw TES VI gets pushed back yet again
Lifts-Her-Tail>Wasteland roasties
YOU HEAR ME, TODD?
If it's anything like 4 I don't care, remove the voiced protagonist and make it an rpg again with the improved gunplay and you will have a solid game on the minuscule chance they can deliver solid writing
Are there any good MS subsidiaries that could work on a new fallout? Obsidian isn't the same company it used to be.
I think if they spiffed up the 76 engine a bit it would be bearable. Starshit really overstepped its welcome with the procedural garbage, most normies will eat up another handcrafted world.
anything that Microsoft touches turns to shit
so not really
>anything that Microsoft touches turns to shit
>so not really
We really don't know, none of the studios they bought have released anything yet. Only stuff already in production prior to the purchase.
Obsidian can still do it if they bring back Avellone and Ziets for one last project, and they finally catch a break and are allowed to develop a game properly. Literarily both of them are not doing anything right now and both of them (along Josh Sawyer who's still at Obsidian) were a big reason why New Vegas ended up being so good.
John Gonzales needs to come back too.
I don't really get why people say "Obsidian is shit now." They're fine. Outer Worlds is mediocre, not shit. Pentiment was a fun and compelling little adventure game.
Starfield was a more potent studio condemnation than any game released by Obsidian in the last decade.
It's just a meme people spout because lol nobody plays CRPGs and their only frame of reference is Outer Worlds, which was definitely a 4/10.
I wouldn't call it a 4, I'd give it maybe a 6 or 7. There were compelling bits even if it didn't come together and it got closer to satisfying my FPSRPG itch than FO4 or anything else I've played so I gave it some leeway.
I thought Outer Worlds was dogshit, honestly
Outie Worlds got a lot of hate from culture wars homosexuals because all the women in-game look like dykes and the entire plot is some reddit wet dream, they've practically combined rick (from rick and morty) with bernie sanders and that's the most important character in the story.
It's an okey game, pales in comparison to Obsidian's best like KOTOR 2, Mask of the Betrayer and New Vegas but it's also way better than their other slop (OG Neverwinter Nights 2, Dungeon Siege 3). Shit, I'd probably put it above Pillars of Eternity too.
But it's just nowhere near as good as New Vegas, so I'm not hopeful for their future ...
Wasn't fallout 4 unceremoniously sharted out to the public in about 6 months from reveal to release? I remember the development of it being remarkably fast.
Skyrim came out in 2011 and fo4 came out in 2015. It took them less than 4 years to make it. What happened to them?
take cod, bf and fallout away from the devs who has been doing the same shit for decades
give it to a new studio and let them cook
No. The best way forward is for them to continue to fail until they give up and withdraw so that actually good original games from actually talented midsize studios can step in and fill the gap
Why'd they gave Nate a sweet lookin' bum?
I like Alaska, just because a real fallout game has never done a colder biome. It has proximity to canada and china while still being american soil, potential for cool mutants, sea monsters and cool frontlines military shit, etc etc
imagine AAA isometric fallout 5
I prefer FPS games but that would be incredibly cathartic to see the hyper-normies that only play 4 and 76 getting salty over muh janky outdated turn based combat
Same. But I'd still rather have it be an FPS.
I greatly enjoyed Wasteland 3's co-op so I'm more open to a proper CRPG fallout than I used to be.
BG3 just proved that a CRPG can still be a massive success, even. It's not a bad time to do it.
I definitely agree, but I find the first person perspective to be superior. Both in gameplay and immersion, altough I haven't played the wasteland games yet so I might come around on that.
big brain AAA move would be a button to switch between 1st person and isometric whenever you want
actual innovation
I feel like it'd be like 3rd person in any bethesda game. Something you use to check what your character looks like in a new set of armor, not actually good enough to play.
Also, switching between fast paced FPS and turn based would basically mean they'd need to make two games.
Fast-paced FPS is not a good fit for Fallout anyway. The only reason that shit was tolerable was because of VATS in the first place, the complete opposite of fast pacing.
No, I'll always prefer first person perspective too, but WL3 felt closer to what I've wanted out of Fallout for the past decade despite being isometric. The writing and tone was just far more on-point.
If you have a meat-headed friend with the patience for RPGs it's like the optimal way to play it, IMO. You're a roving heavily armed frat fricking shit up.
You could just play Wasteland 2&3
i want to like those games but i don't want to babysit a whole squad worth of stats and upgrades
just let me control my own dude and then maybe grab a companion
With a friend you can divvy up the squads so you have less shit to do, two companions feels plenty manageable.
You can always play Underrail and Wasteland 2 or 3. Underrail is even having new expansion soon.
Heavy Duty was already released for Underrail there won't be any more expansions.
>broken next-gen update
>not a remaster of Fallout 3
>not a remake of Fallout 1
what a blunder
>76 has 3 more years of content releases confirmed
>probably extended that
>ES6 2027-28
no fallout until 2035 they rush.
>Had the possibility of making a Fallout 3 remaster and release it just after the show
>Release a "next gen update" that add nothing next gen to Fallout 4
>Skyrim II won't be out for another 4 years
>Fallout 5 is going to take 5-6 years to make
>New Fallout game in 2030 - 2035
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Fallout 5 is going to take 5-6 years to make
remind me, for how long was starfield in development for?
>ES6 gets rushed out of the door and is shit because Bethesda is bad at making games
>Fallout 5 ends up terrible anyway because Bethesda is bad at making games
Thank God for Microsoft, maybe we'll be able to see a AAA studio die and I'm already excited
>legit steam keys
>piracy
Kek this chinksect shill is completely mindbroken. I accept your concession, go suck on a latrine.