she wanted to present you before the Masters as a living example of not only why her teachings were not flawed, but why it's possible - better, even - to live a life untouched by the Force
With them dead, she can't do that. Her only question at that point is if by claiming your revenge, you've managed to achieve peace. There's no dialogue option to say that you have, so
>She barely thought you
She is most definitely Echani kotor2 variant or adopted their Nietzschean ideology about strength through adversity.
She has thrown pretty much everyone and the kitchen sink against you to make you stronger, including, ultimately, herself.
Listening to her is optional.
>She is most definitely Echani or adopted their Nietzschean ideology about strength through adversity.
Is the game had been finished she was going to be revealed to have been Arren Kae and the handmaiden's mother, so she is indeed Echani.
That's your headcanon and factually not true.
When asked about the Arren Kae fan theory, Avellone responded the same way he does to all fan theories that he likes but never considered.
Don't spout fanon as fact.
3 years ago
Anonymous
> headcanon
About that
https://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update%2058/
3 years ago
Anonymous
Okay, go ask the guy the guy who actually wrote her instead of sourcing fricking let's plays of all things.
You're just repeating fanon that I obviously already know about when I have word of god on my side.
3 years ago
Anonymous
> I have word of god on my side
Not really. You even said it yourself. > Avellone responded the same way he does to all fan theories that he likes but never considered.
So, no refutation.
If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of 'interesting, no comment'
3 years ago
Anonymous
It was closer to "that wasn't intended but good theory".
Regardless, it's still more than something that specifically hasn't been confirmed which, considering how far they've gone with Revan, the Exile and everything else from the Old Republic, says a lot.
3 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, I will go dig an actual quote
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011084806/http://starwarsknights.com/fullstory.php?id=386 >Emperor Devon: A hotly debated subject among fans is whether Kreia and Arren Kae are the same person, and it would be nice to have an official opinion on this. What's your take on it, did you ever have them being the same person on your mind during development? > >Chris Avellone: Can’t comment, but good catch. Sorry.
Doesn't really matter, though. Good day to you.
3 years ago
Anonymous
Before you leave, can you point out the bit where he confirms this? >Is the game had been finished she was going to be revealed to have been Arren Kae and the handmaiden's mother
Because I don't see it.
3 years ago
Anonymous
None is present. I was addressing that one
> that wasn't intended but good theory
which is nowhere to be seen.
3 years ago
Anonymous
Why do morons keep spouting this? What he said was "good catch" which a fricking fan Wiki uses evidence that it was deconfirmed, because apparently, literally one time, a decade prior, he also used the phrase "good catch" in regards to a Fallout theory he went on to deconfirm. And people regurgitate that, over and over until it becomes fact
3 years ago
Anonymous
As opposed to the Arren Kae theory that people regurgitate and treat as fact?
3 years ago
Anonymous
I opposed to a theory backed up by in-game evidence, not a psychotic attempt to disassemble someone's use of language based on a single point of comparison.
Kae and Kreia are both described as Revan's first teacher, I don't know what else you need.
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL THE COUNCIL, I NEEDED THEM ALIVE SO I COULD RUB YOU IN THEIR FACE AND SHOW THAT THEY'RE FAILURES >Lmao you left the council alive? Fricking boyscout I just killed them all you fricking failure apathy is blah blah
Bravo Avellone, your deconstruction of Star Wars is so masterful
Well, more specifically he started out using a technique but became so consumed by it that he essentially became that technique. The grand irony of Nihilus is that, in the end, what he had truly consumed was himself.
Kreia, Atton, and Mandalore are the only ones I really bothered bringing with me. HK and G0-T0 are fun to talk to but pointless gameplay-wise. Handmaiden, Visas, and Mira were alright but the game is basically designed for Kreia to always occupy one of your slots and I never really felt it necessary to swap. Haharr and T3 are whatever. Literally have never used nor spoken to the guy who replaces Handmaiden on a Female Exile game. No one likes Bao-Dur.
>No one likes Bao-Dur.
I liked him a lot as a character. His voice was extremely soothing and induced ASMR for me as a kid. I spent an absurd amount of time reloading a save I made right before he confronts Mandalore
Stop being a slave to gravity, use it only as a tool
To be fair, if gravity kept deciding to flip from being attractive to repelling every few centuries and society kept collapsing because of it, I'd be pretty pissed off about it.
>Ah yes, shitposting on Ganker, a technic as ancient as the Force itself. The Jedi will teach you to report trolls and set up filters, to not respond to bait and never let your emotions get better of you. The Sith on the other hand will teach you about the soijak posting, the power words of cope and dialate. How to ban evade and how to properly farm (you)s. But neither of them can see beyond their codes and stigmas. You don't need a force persuade to derail a thread. Sometimes, all it takes is one good shitpost, one good picture to send an echo that'll ripple through the entire board. That is the true power.
>He has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance. >You will not harm him, you will never harm him again.
I liked her character. It's not like she's a b***h to you for no reason.
I actually think you're kind of dumb if that's what you took away.
Thread summarized:
>Le force is ... LE BAD
>NOO DONT HELP THAT PRINCESS
>Beggar will turn to dark side if you help him
>pretzels
why did she get so pissed off at you for killing the jedi masters?
she wanted to present you before the Masters as a living example of not only why her teachings were not flawed, but why it's possible - better, even - to live a life untouched by the Force
With them dead, she can't do that. Her only question at that point is if by claiming your revenge, you've managed to achieve peace. There's no dialogue option to say that you have, so
She is, fundamentally, a teacher.
She wanted to show off her prized student - you - so they would admit the error of their ways.
She got this
instead.
>her prized student
She barely thought you shit and you can reject most of her teachings.
>She barely thought you
She is most definitely Echani kotor2 variant or adopted their Nietzschean ideology about strength through adversity.
She has thrown pretty much everyone and the kitchen sink against you to make you stronger, including, ultimately, herself.
Listening to her is optional.
>She is most definitely Echani or adopted their Nietzschean ideology about strength through adversity.
Is the game had been finished she was going to be revealed to have been Arren Kae and the handmaiden's mother, so she is indeed Echani.
That's your headcanon and factually not true.
When asked about the Arren Kae fan theory, Avellone responded the same way he does to all fan theories that he likes but never considered.
Don't spout fanon as fact.
> headcanon
About that
https://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update%2058/
Okay, go ask the guy the guy who actually wrote her instead of sourcing fricking let's plays of all things.
You're just repeating fanon that I obviously already know about when I have word of god on my side.
> I have word of god on my side
Not really. You even said it yourself.
> Avellone responded the same way he does to all fan theories that he likes but never considered.
So, no refutation.
If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of 'interesting, no comment'
It was closer to "that wasn't intended but good theory".
Regardless, it's still more than something that specifically hasn't been confirmed which, considering how far they've gone with Revan, the Exile and everything else from the Old Republic, says a lot.
Ok, I will go dig an actual quote
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011084806/http://starwarsknights.com/fullstory.php?id=386
>Emperor Devon: A hotly debated subject among fans is whether Kreia and Arren Kae are the same person, and it would be nice to have an official opinion on this. What's your take on it, did you ever have them being the same person on your mind during development?
>
>Chris Avellone: Can’t comment, but good catch. Sorry.
Doesn't really matter, though. Good day to you.
Before you leave, can you point out the bit where he confirms this?
>Is the game had been finished she was going to be revealed to have been Arren Kae and the handmaiden's mother
Because I don't see it.
None is present. I was addressing that one
> that wasn't intended but good theory
which is nowhere to be seen.
Why do morons keep spouting this? What he said was "good catch" which a fricking fan Wiki uses evidence that it was deconfirmed, because apparently, literally one time, a decade prior, he also used the phrase "good catch" in regards to a Fallout theory he went on to deconfirm. And people regurgitate that, over and over until it becomes fact
As opposed to the Arren Kae theory that people regurgitate and treat as fact?
I opposed to a theory backed up by in-game evidence, not a psychotic attempt to disassemble someone's use of language based on a single point of comparison.
Kae and Kreia are both described as Revan's first teacher, I don't know what else you need.
she wanted you to btfo the Council with FACTS and LOGIC, but you just gave them the succ instead because you were a bloodthirsty moron
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL THE COUNCIL, I NEEDED THEM ALIVE SO I COULD RUB YOU IN THEIR FACE AND SHOW THAT THEY'RE FAILURES
>Lmao you left the council alive? Fricking boyscout I just killed them all you fricking failure apathy is blah blah
Bravo Avellone, your deconstruction of Star Wars is so masterful
She literally confesses her love for you if you leave them all alive though, she doesn’t chew you out whatsoever
>She literally confesses her love for you
huh?
In the ending she says that she would let galaxy die to save you
To be fair who wouldn't let the galaxi die to save Space Jesus?
>Lmao you left the council alive? Fricking boyscout I just killed them all you fricking failure apathy is blah blah
your comprehension is astounding
She gets pissed no matter what you do.
The best option is to realize the game is shit and uninstall to avoid being lectured by this insane hag.
"Lol," said the Exile. "Lmao."
kek
I could give a frick. Completely and utterly.
Darth Nihilus is not in fact using a technique. He is a force of nature
Well, more specifically he started out using a technique but became so consumed by it that he essentially became that technique. The grand irony of Nihilus is that, in the end, what he had truly consumed was himself.
More like a force of jobber
oh look it's this moron again
BONK
Still not gonna have sex with you, Kreia.
how about now
Maybe Apathy is death after all.
>Kreia
>Miraluka cover
It looks more like her face is shadowed by the hood, not wearing a blindfold
Huh, you might be right.
The way it's colored makes it looks like there's a red embroidering on her face, making it look like a Miraluka cover.
REVAN UNDERSTOOD SNACKS
[s]You're not my fricking mentor old woman[/s] You are a wise teacher Kreia
DON'T CARE, STILL BREEDING VISAS AND BRIANNA
DON'T CARE, STILL TEACHING ATTON TO BE A JEDI
DON'T CARE, BLOWING UP MALACHOR V
all of those while being Jedi Jesus
The "killing The Force" bullshit was just overdramatic and jumping the shark.
And also a ruse
Rank all the KOTOR 2 companions. For me it's:
Kreia > HK-47 > Mandalore > Mira > G0-T0 > Atton > Visas > Brianna > Mical > Hanharr > T3-M4 > Bao-Dur
>atton >hand maiden >hanrar >kreia > visas >mando > ᴮᵃᵒ ᵈᵘʳ >everybody else.
I like HK, but he’s completely worthless.
Kreia > HK-47 > Atton > T3-M4 > Handmaiden > Visas > Canderous > G0-T0 > Disciple > Hanarr > Bao-dur
Also sucks that if you want to unlock all the backstories you need to be dark side.
anybody who you can train to be a jedi(except bao-dur and mical)>kreia>visas=mandalore>t3-m4>hk-47>mical>bao-dur
Kreia, Atton, and Mandalore are the only ones I really bothered bringing with me. HK and G0-T0 are fun to talk to but pointless gameplay-wise. Handmaiden, Visas, and Mira were alright but the game is basically designed for Kreia to always occupy one of your slots and I never really felt it necessary to swap. Haharr and T3 are whatever. Literally have never used nor spoken to the guy who replaces Handmaiden on a Female Exile game. No one likes Bao-Dur.
>No one likes Bao-Dur.
I liked him a lot as a character. His voice was extremely soothing and induced ASMR for me as a kid. I spent an absurd amount of time reloading a save I made right before he confronts Mandalore
Kreia > Mandalore > Atton > Bri > Visas > HK > Bao-Dur > G0-T0 > Mira > T3-M4 > Hanharr
I've never played femExile so I've never had Mical
Mical is so lightly written that you can make him a Jedi in literally the first conversation you have with him in the Enclave
>Dude, gravity is totally evil because it holds us down
Talk about tilting at windmills.
Stop being a slave to gravity, use it only as a tool
To be fair, if gravity kept deciding to flip from being attractive to repelling every few centuries and society kept collapsing because of it, I'd be pretty pissed off about it.
>
>1 malachor V wasn’t enough.
>Ah yes, shitposting on Ganker, a technic as ancient as the Force itself. The Jedi will teach you to report trolls and set up filters, to not respond to bait and never let your emotions get better of you. The Sith on the other hand will teach you about the soijak posting, the power words of cope and dialate. How to ban evade and how to properly farm (you)s. But neither of them can see beyond their codes and stigmas. You don't need a force persuade to derail a thread. Sometimes, all it takes is one good shitpost, one good picture to send an echo that'll ripple through the entire board. That is the true power.
>A technic
Stopped reading there
Jedi Weapon Master vs Sith Marauder which and why??
Jedi Watchmen
>He has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance.
>You will not harm him, you will never harm him again.
I liked her character. It's not like she's a b***h to you for no reason.
I actually think you're kind of dumb if that's what you took away.
her voice acting in this scene is legitimately GOD tier, unmatched by anything else in vidya. get chills everytime I think back to it