Vista got a bad reputation because people were upgrading to it with old parallel printers with no WDDM drivers and shit. The OS actually ran pretty well.
It was the last time an os was ever released that was genuinely ahead of its time. It was nearly windows 7 but on 2006 hardware. That’s why Microsoft makes sure you can run windows 11 on shit ass netbooks now, because everyone complained.
I uninstalled Steam when this message came up and then took it off my Windows 10 machine as well. Not interested in supporting them when they don't support me, it's a mutual exchange.
>I thew my PC into the trashcan after Microsoft said that they will stop supporting Windows 98. Not interested in supporting them when they don't support me, mutual exchange. Now I'm going back to using a calculator and Unix.
Just a reminder, Windows 7 is 14 years old, it was released in 2009. Using that nowadays is like using Windows 95 when Windows 7 is available.
Update your OS you fricking autist, it doesn't hurt. You probably use tons of spyware on your PC anyway.
Also Valve doesn't care about you since according to their hardware survey only 0.1% of their users still use Windows 7.
edge is unironically obkectivelly better than google chrome (it removed all of google telemetry to replace it with microsoft's but somehow still has less data collection than chrome, and is faster)
But yeah, ungoogled chromium would be the best.
I used firefox for years after another handful of years using chrome. In my experience, the longer you use a browser, the shittier it gets, specially if you don't wipe clean your OS installation reasonably often. Right now I'm using Chrome with little to no problems, and I expect that to change in a year or so.
I rather sell my soul to a multibillion company that offers me easy solutions for my problems than becoming a troony who thinks he's smart for using complex methods to do simple things
Before any Steamdrones come and try to defend this, Valve could easily plaster a massive banner on every Steam client page with "Steam is not officially supported on [INSERT OS HERE], any issues will not be supported." instead of intentionally removing your ability to run software which is perfectly fine.
they won't because the client is used for financial transactions and they're not going to bother supporting old os and old version of chrome that can be exploited.
1) No longer patch Steam for Win 7 or 8. Tell everyone it's "as is," no warranty, computer can get a virus or crash, etc.
2) Someone finds an exploit in this unpatched Win 7/8 client which easily lets people download, install, and play any game for free.
3) Have to cut off all Win 7/8 players anyway, or else game companies will pull all their games from Steam.
They still need to monitor the browser for exploits on each operating system; and only cucks would willingly expand their workload everytime microshit releases a new skyrim.
they'll just do this again down the road. im with 7 and never using launchers again >but anon you'll never get to play slopman remake
i dont fricking care
It won't stop the countdown if you didn't apply it beforehand, but it will let you use your steam client after the countdown. You will still see the red "unsupported" sign on your client but other than that your game library with your existing purchases remains available.
Yes to games, no to steam features, especially web browsing. At some point it will break and you'll get a black screen with the broken image icon on the top left when trying to muddle around the store.
So it is just a temp work around.
Well I suppose I have to install W10 on my gayman PC
Fricking shit tier OS
9 months ago
Anonymous
just use your actual browser for store/chat features, baka
9 months ago
Anonymous
It effectively "freezes" your steam client to the day to apply the cfg file. You just won't be able to play any games that have hard requirements of windows 10+ that can't be circumvented with the usual github methods.
If you're so mad at modern windows, why not linux? I've seen plenty of games working in the linux thread whenever it pops up. Some madman even got games on his gentoo build.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I want to use wondows, I dont wnat to have to use an unfriendly user experience OS, and learn a new OS just to play vidya.
I just fricking hate windows 10, it is fricking cancer. >uninstall software >it reinstalls it for you automatically >close background process >starts the background proses back up >try close a background process >you cant shit this shit down
What other fricking OS wont actually let me use or not use the software I want.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>learn a new OS just to play vidya.
That's really too bad. I couldn't put up with 10 or 11 so I went with linux just last year around the same time as now when I finished my new build.
Good luck anon. Grab all the 3rd party software you can that makes life easier on 10.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Have you come to any game that you cannot use yet anon?
Does your CPY/.GPU drivers work on linux?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Two games that won't work properly, one of them was fixed 100%, and I wasn't even the original poster that wanted it fixed: Marvin's Mittens, a meme game in the linux threads. The other one was the Kingdom Hearts collection from Epic, it could only run by emptying out the entire folder containing cutscenes due to Jap moronation with how video files were played.
GPU driver works on linux. I didn't have to install anything as it was baked into the kernel. Also helps that I'm using a gaming distro that had almost everything useful for gaming packed in it already.
One problem that would really piss anyone off on linux is how Nvidia keeps fricking up their driver updates. Nvidia you will have to install the GPU drivers. I can't remember how many times I've seen Nvidia GPU guys falling back to 525 because 535 is a piece of shit. Makes me glad I'm on AMD.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The other one was the Kingdom Hearts collection from Epic, it could only run by emptying out the entire folder containing cutscenes due to Jap moronation with how video files were played.
Wait a sec, are you saying KH3 can now be played easily on the Steam Deck?? cause it wasnt working without some crazy ass workarounds on the Steam Deck just a few months ago...
is there some newer Proton GE that just "makes it werk TM" ?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I ran it through bottles after listening to gentoo anon write about the cutscene problem. Don't know about the Steam Deck, I think the crazy workarounds are the same thing I used to make it work.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, well good for you anon.
Im a Linux noob, i only add the non-steam games to Steam and run them with Proton-GE and around 60-70% of them just werk, but others like FF7R and KH3 or Dragonball Kakarot, Horizon ZD, Monster hunter among some others just dont pop up at all.
And i dont understand jack shit about bottles and Wine and all that mumbo jumbo lol.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Which Monster Hunter? World? Because the Steam version worked ootb. I find pirated non-steam added big title games are very hit-or-miss when it comes to getting them to work while their legit versions just seem to run.
9 months ago
Anonymous
All the games i test are cracked versions yes, I own tons of games on Steam and almost everything works.. but surprisingly around 60-70% cracked non-steam games also work just fine with ProtonGE .. others like MonHun World cracked do not work for whatever reason..
I like to backup my bought games just in case some crap happens to Steam (like what this thread is about) or to my Steam account. Future preservation if you will
9 months ago
Anonymous
I just copy my Steam folder over into my backups and toss Steamless and Goldberg in there without having to go around finding scene cracks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hmmm.. that's interesting, i didnt think about Steamless and Goldberg for Steam Deck and its OS. I admit i never tried those even on Windows but it could be one solution for my backup plans. Thanks
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't trust me on it, you should test it yourself. I can count the number of games I have with Denuvo in one hand yet I'm pretty sure that's a big obstacle to game preservation without relying on cracks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If a game doesn't just immediately work always check protondb. Here's horizon for example
https://www.protondb.com/app/1151640
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes I know about ProtonDB my good anon.. but my case here is for testing cracked NON-steam games via Steam OS on the deck..
im pretty sure ProtonDB is for legit Steam games anyway, which for the most part just work out of the box.
>Was on W7 for 14 years. >Was 100% against moving but my PC needed to be upgraded. >Find one post by an anon on this website talking about W10 LTSC IoT, look it up and install it >No dogshit W10 bloat (except Edge), no major issues, no updating and rebooting me just because it feels like it.
Still would prefer to stay on 7, but this is not awful.
>Was on W7 for 14 years. >Was 100% against moving but my PC needed to be upgraded. >Find one post by an anon on this website talking about W10 LTSC IoT, look it up and install it >No dogshit W10 bloat (except Edge), no major issues, no updating and rebooting me just because it feels like it.
Still would prefer to stay on 7, but this is not awful.
>W10 LTSC IoT
This will be full of bloatware shit you wont need and will never use, this is for companies, offices or warehouses for example.
You just want standard windows 10 home, which will come with next to nothing installed.
>win home has ads and keyloggers >citation needed >too moronic to install optional software >wants to install a business version full with optional software
>>W10 LTSC IoT >This will be full of bloatware shit you wont need and will never use, this is for companies, offices or warehouses for example.
it's in fact the least debloated version due to EU regulations, doesn't even have cortana
Gonna reformat my computer next summer for a fresh install. I'm on W10 but how is W11 nowadays? Is it worth it or some sort of special version like this that strips a ton of shit
No point even using steam these days. The launcher is a laggy piece of shit now due to chromium.
Just use steamCMD to download your games and apply a steam emulator to them.
or >sync steam to gog >use gog DRMless iso backup feature >now have isos of all your steam games that dont need a launcher or anything
shits been a thing for over a decade, surprised you newbies dont use it
>W7 steam is used as an attack vector to steal a bunch of morons' money >valve now has to deal with lawsuits
Even if they'd never go anywhere it's still easier and cheaper to just ditch W7.
this is worse than if when 7 came out someone was like "no why can't I keep using 98"
what. are you really gonna pretend that people don't complain about the telemetry
less than 2% of users still use W7
you're screaming like trannies wanting representation when you're just a loud minority
cope, seethe and install another OS
Windows 7 cucks are fricking hilarious, OS is worse than 10 in every imaginable way and yet they cling to it.
Have fun using third party modifications just to be able to scroll a non-highlight window lmao
>Dual boot into 10 >Start Menu looks like shit >Right Click menu is horrible >The fricking control panel dear god what the hell >Why is my downloads folder constantly sorted in time groups
Even with all the useless bloat removed its a fricking horrible experience. I only even boot into windows 10 if I want to play a DX12 game.
This is some of the most arbitrary list of complaints I've ever heard, you sure you don't have brain problems anon?
9 months ago
Anonymous
my work laptop and my work desktop both have win 10
the control panel still enrages me
so does windows re-enabling every shitty intrusive feature after major updates
it's objectively slower
boots slow
opens folders slowly
the laptop is a fairly recent gamer laptop and it's still unusable while it's updating
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just install windows 10 LoT LTSC over it and disable telemetry / updates in group policy
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, buy on GoG (that doesn't force you to use launchers) or pirate.
Simmilar experiance, I also have laptop on 10. I use simplewall to disbale a lot of win10 shit and then it actually runs ok.
>try something new >have a meltdown when it's different >instead of changing to be like the old thing you cry about how it's different
you are the reason why everything is moronproofed and you can't customize anything, how does that make you feel?
Only one I'll give you is 10's 'modern' Control Panel being ass. Shame they left fixing most of that to 11, even though 11 is still missing modern equivalents to some of the classic shit I still use.
Also 11 made the start menu/right click borderline unusable.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the control panel is mostly an improvement on the old one. It's just bad because they didn't port everything so you still have to use the old control panel.
These are the stupidest complaints >not disabling telemetry >not disabling cortana >web searches from start menu search >microsoft edge >doesn't know how to change views on his folders
bro just stop. I don't say this often but go back to consoles, pc gaming isn't for you.
which is funny because apparently they don't know that microsoft has already backported alot of the telemetry to windows 7. https://www.howtogeek.com/428265/windows-7s-july-2019-security-patch-includes-telemetry/
less than 2% of users still use W7
you're screaming like trannies wanting representation when you're just a loud minority
cope, seethe and install another OS
A slim WinXP client*
They wouldn't need to maintain it if they programmed it right the first time, unlike the 500 iterations they keep wasting money making for the current version.
Why is it valves job to make sure games they did not make, work on a dead, unsupported operating system that their competition made almost 20 years ago?
I'm all for digital preservation but just actually think about it from a sane pov
it has nothing to do with the games, moron. the games aren't changing. valve clearly doesn't do QA/QC anyway with all the broken shitpiles that you can find on steam. and steam is also 20 years old you dumb Black person, why are you still using it?
valve should be responsible for maintaining their own software to serve their customers' needs. that's why we pay them the 30%. i don't need valve to lazily repackage chrome and for the bugs in that software that they're also too lazy to fix, to disable my access to games that by themselves would run perfectly in 7. i already have a browser that works. if that doesn't sound sane to you, you're just a bootlicking cuck.
my work laptop and my work desktop both have win 10
the control panel still enrages me
so does windows re-enabling every shitty intrusive feature after major updates
it's objectively slower
boots slow
opens folders slowly
the laptop is a fairly recent gamer laptop and it's still unusable while it's updating
the time gap between the release of 7 and XP was shorter than the gap between 7 and today
you are using a literal dinosaur of an os you fricking morons
bro you're posting on Ganker, you should've moved on to facebook, reddit, twitter, tumblr, or instagram by now if you believe so strongly that "old=bad".
Linux comes with a firewall, you have to configure it yourself. Anti-virus is unnecessary, you'll probably be trying to run windows exe files and any viruses in those won't work properly or simply corrupt your wine install which is easily turned over by crudely reinstalling it. You can still get viruses the same way mac os users can get fed malicious .dmg files by being a moron with your downloads.
Seen anons playing on it, yes. But also sometimes ran into the common problem of having an older kernel so the game, usually pirated, freaks out because it needs updated versions of programs to work. Try it out on a big USB drive, I've seen people playing games straight from a 128GB live OS of linux prior to actual installation.
Nah. I'm just playing the good Steam games now. I'm sort of looking forward to the end, since it means I can focus on the non-Steam titles and do other things. Maybe Win11 someday, but I'm not rushing out to build a new PC just for the Steam launcher.
Remember when people were saying they'd never move from XP and even Vista because 7 was absolute shit for years because of the changes it made with Aero and a bunch of other stuff? Now everyone's memoryholed that like it never happened and is acting like W7 is what everyone loved this whole time.
But it did. Hell, we had constant threads on Ganker, not to mention Ganker, where people were b***hing about the bloatware, Aero dropping performance compared to the "Slick and clean XP interface", people complaining about the compatibility with older games, people complaining about Microsoft having backdoors even before W8 was a thing, I can't remember if complaints about forcing updates was with 7 or 10 and the same deal was with the shift to the Microsoft Store, and more.
People were constantly b***hing about 7, then 8, then 8.1, then 10, because they didn't want to move on from XP.
It's because XP was the GOAT. Vista came out and was shit. Nobody switch to 7 because of Aero of all things. Vista was just THAT bad that everyone wanted to move on as fast as possible
people have bought into the whole "pc gaming master race we are free here" propaganda when in reality they are just as locked down as any other console.
I honestly thought they pulled this move years ago, I'm surprised people don't see the writing all over the wall for W7 because MS has been trying to get rid of it for years now by making no new shit compatible at all and same thing is gonna happen to W10 after 12 launches
People did see the writing on the wall, but 7 is still the best and just werks 99% of the time for everything. The real writing on the wall that 7 users see is that windows will only keep getting worse and worse. It's not about selling users a good OS anymore, it's now about monetizing the users. Microsoft has a massive stranglehold on the OS space, they know it, and they're abusing it to slowly boil the frogs as it feels more and more like you're renting your pc from ms instead of owning it.
Everyone who's laughing who's still on 10 is going to be same position and forced to 11. By 12 there'll likely be no way out of creating an account. More ads will be shown, more data collected, and who knows what else. You already have zero control over updates. And by that point people will be so accustomed to the abuse they'll defend it all the same.
Works of wisdom from this anon... it will only get worse.
Also what are the odds those Nvidia israelites or Motherboard manufacturers wont just put some damn chips to LOCK you only on Windows OS going forward and making Linux cease to exist on newer PCs?
or am i just going a bit paranoid at this point? id hate that future to happen
>LOCK you only on Windows OS
I'd highly doubt that, but what I can easily see happening is they start collecting data to sell off and snooping around to see if you're being a good customer. Corporations know the vast majority of the populace doesn't give a shit if they don't see it happening.
Steam develops a pretty excellent compatibility layer that Just Works most of the time. Use the site protonDB to check for support for your favorite games. The problem is some multiplayer games with anti-cheat rootkits, as well as pirated copies/cracks that are usually windows exclusive.
Honestly, if you value a smooth and non-intrusive computing experience, many linux distros are better than windows at this point. And if you run into an issue, there's a ton of support online.
About 15% of Steam games run natively on Linux.
Most of the other 85% work anyway because Valve threw money at Wine+DXVK development and integrated those tools into Steam with Proton.
It's clear at this point that Linux can run all kinds of ganes including modern graphics etc. so virtually all instances of games not working on Linux are the fault of game devs, e.g. they use anti-cheat that blocks Linux or they encode their cutscenes in formats requiring codecs that Valve can't ship with Proton, and all games would work going forward if devs stop doing dumb shit.
It's crazy to me that this is actually a viable option now, as long as you aren't mentally ill enough to like modern multiplayer shit if you told me a decade ago that just some patch would take care of 99% of newer single player games I would've told you that you're full of shit but Microsoft was greedy enough to make it a reality anyways
Yea, Valve is doing great things for linux. I'm glad they actually have a handheld presence in Japan, maybe they'll hook up their fax machines to linux now.
Your money was stolen when you bought games on Steam that don't work withlut Steam. What you did was indefinitely rent games from Steam. You never at any point acquired ownership.
Fricking morons connecting unsecure OS's to the internet deserve every bit of shame and bullshit that gets thrown their way. You deserve to not only be unable to keep steam installed on your machine, but Valve really should just fricking delete all your games and laugh at you while you cry about it because you're such a moron.
Midwit take.
There are XP users browsing the web using MyPal without problems because guess what, they don't hook up their old landlines directly to the computer, it goes through a rock hard router running linux first.
I don't think you understand how insecure software poses a risk to firewalled machines. It's not going to stop a vulnerable web browser that hasn't been maintained for years from requesting and executing malicious web code because all the firewall does for the average home network is ignore unsolicited inbound connections (i.e. active attacks). Then you potentially have a compromised machine inside your network where it can request whatever the hell it wants from the wider internet and poses a direct threat to everything else on the network.
>"ugh, steam won't work on Windows 7 anymore, uuuugh"
Anon, Windows 10 is fricking free, you can download the fricking ISO on their website, the closest thing to a problem is that your copy of Windows 7 has to be a legitimate one (but that shouldn't be a problem, you have a legit copy of Windows 7, right anon?)
>the "activate windows" watermark doesn't bother me at all
I spent $2 and have an official lifetime windows license that allowed me to have win10 pro before and win 11 pro now, what kind of Black person are you?
Frick, I really want to beat up everyone who posts screenshots with that watermark.
I'm looking forward to the pearl-clutching of windows 10 users when they EOL in 2 years and games require windows 11 or 12. Oh yes, 12 is releasing next year as a beta.
anon pls, come up with recent shit, not this old stuff from 2015-2016 era when LTSC was first shilled as the go-to windows 10
Here have something from Microsoft's closest partner
I'm so fricking glad proton is where it is right now. Not only does KDE Plasma give me a customizable experience I've wanted out of a computer again since fricking windows XP, but I'm just generally happier on linux now that I know a majority of my games "just work" and I don't have that anxiety of microsoft just forcing a shitty update on me. It reminds me of putting custom firmware on my old PSP to make it a better platform than it is if you just simply used regular firmware.
I know this makes a certain group of windows purists very angry for some reason that I'm actually happy with a decision to do something that they don't have to however.
>KDE Plasma
The best for GUI customization if you don't want to dig too deep into the source code with actual programming. I haven't seen anything else like it that lets you edit your GUI so well.
Only the biggest morons believe anyone at microsoft know what they're doing but you are not allowed to discuss that just like leaked emails from microsoft vs sony ABK case which shoull've caused a shitstorm >Phil the head of Xbox sending out emails literally saying shit like "someone anyone come up with an idea how to bring people back to us I don't know know what to do anymore"
How the frick is he still allowed to be there
It's fricking garbage
Late Win10 was very good, I still miss it.
It's like mandatory pajets, diversity quota Black folk, and troons don't even know what to do with windows anymore. They just make changes for the sake of changes that ruin shit and cause A LOT of bugs.
For example, win11 STILL HAS A BUG TO THIS DAY THAT THEY INTRODUCED ALMOST A YEAR AGO. The bug that causes the explorer window to suddenly pop up in your face. 10 updates later, they still haven't fixed it.
It's all so fricking raw and shit, I can't even...
Revert to win10 ltsc iot, it still has several years of support. Ganker has a guide for debloating it and activating it for free, so all you need is the .iso on a flash drive. Or better yet, install an actual good OS
>money stolen
Who even uses this shitty windows 7 OS? It's the 4th worst OS. Best OS is windows 10 by a landmile followed by windows 11. 7 has nothing going for it, if you're gonna use an obsolete OS, use windows xp instead.
reminder Valve will spend billions getting games to jankily work with shitnux but cant be assed to make a client work on windows 7 with at least 100x more users
They have no control over what microsoft does to their OS, like, say, moving it over to the cloud, which microsoft has openly stated they want to do. If something is open source and run locally, then they aren't at the whims of microsoft. That's why they do what they do with linux. They should start prepping a chromium alternative too honestly since that's part of the reason 7 won't work anymore, electron is a piece of shit and manifest v3 has some big issues for end users.
>They should start prepping a chromium alternative
The reason why almost every web browser is chromium is because developing a browser is an inhuman amount of work. Harder than developing Proton.
The best time to start attempting it is now, so that in a decade we might be free from google's bullshit.
If you told me 10 years ago that I'd be able to play any game I wanted on linux minus those with anticheat that isn't enabled (which I don't play on windows anyway) then I'd have said that was impossible too. Look where we are. I hated linux back in 2013, now I think it's legitimately better than windows.
Yeah but why would Valve do it? Proton is part of their core business, but becoming a browser company would be a massive pivot. Even Mozilla, who's entire job is browsers, can't figure out a way to monetize them, so I don't see Valve cracking that one. It would be easier for them to port the whole store and community to something like QtQuick.
>Yeah but why would Valve do it?
Because steam runs on chromium now. One of the main reasons they have to deprecate windows 7 support is because the latest version of chromium doesn't work on 7. If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore, all their work on proton goes to waste.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore, all their work on proton goes to waste.
For what it's worth, this isn't very likely. ChromeOS is Linux, plenty of Google devs use Linux internally, and there are commercial interests in Chromium on Linux other than Valve, like for smart signage and in-vehicle entertainment systems.
9 months ago
Anonymous
> If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore
Will unironically never happen
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not to mention that both Google and MS are heavily invested into Linux themselves.
Hell, many MS developers use Linux internally cause its easier to work with than their broken ass Windows platforms.
Google and MS need Linux in order to operate.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I remember an "article" from some years ago, that stated a lot of MS developpers used a Mac, because macos is that much better than windows for development, and the managers were not happy about it, so they tried to convince people to switch by giving surfaces for free.
9 months ago
Anonymous
did you read that on apple.com?
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's at least right about development.
Trying to code big projects on windows sucks balls.
I eventually just started running a Mint VM for my stuff, which causes its own problems but at least I have a real command line.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but there is a reason why basically every emulator gets made on Linux and later ported to Windows.
Everyone who is serious about software development tries avoiding developing shit on Windows.
Valve will have frick you money no matter what they do. Makes sense for them to focus on long term goals like toppling Microsoft's vidya monopoly over short term goals like getting the most possible users. >with at least 100x more users
Windows doesn't even have 100x more users if you count every version.
Valve is a software company. Of course they're going to support Linux because most of their devs probably favor it. They also literally have their own Linux-based OS called SteamOS.
Why the frick wouldn't they support Linux?
>worse OS
But why? Even windows 11 is better. Seriously, stop being paranoid, MS doesn't give a frick about your CP collection. Just don't put it in onedrive like a moron lmao.
That's what I want to find out too. I'd be very happy if the steam.cfg fix I implemented wasn't needed at all. Worst case scenario? Not being able to login on the client.
by the way i hope this thread remembers that half of youtube's videos are getting deleted in December
hope you've backed up your favorite Lets Plays and archived VODs from people who've died or quit the platform
That's just you getting older and becoming more familiar with computers. 11 and 10 are dogshit compared to 7. 7 is basically just a refined XP. 10 and up is just injecting cancer into it and changing shit for no reason beyond saying there's a change to try and justify making a new OS, when the cancer under the hood is the real reason.
my pc still had the free windows 10 upgrade available but one day the windows 7 install broke and now i might need to reinstall it, would i lose the activated digital licence if i did? it came with the pc, so no code or key or anything
i csnt i literally just said my windows 7 broke
cant get past the initiating windows screen where the colored lights make the windows logo
tried external repair with an usb but it didnt fix it so onky option is to reinstall windows 7 but the question is if i lose the activation since it was a digital license and was included with the pc which was pre-activated so there's no key or anything
He's on his nokia phone m8. Thing's a brick but it werks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
if that's true the dumb motherfricker can d/l and install systemrescuedisk to a usb and boot of that, download the le free windows 10 and then boot off the usb into windows 10 install
i csnt i literally just said my windows 7 broke
cant get past the initiating windows screen where the colored lights make the windows logo
tried external repair with an usb but it didnt fix it so onky option is to reinstall windows 7 but the question is if i lose the activation since it was a digital license and was included with the pc which was pre-activated so there's no key or anything
someone please give me a full answer
do i lose my activation digital license if i reinstall windows 7 through a bootable usb
And now Denuvo is going to spread to Nintendo Switch / Switch 2 very very soon and confirmed today. It's all so tiresome for people who really want to preserve shit down the line.
What a timeline we live in huh
The only people still sticking with Windows 7 at this point are
>third worlders too poor to get a win 10-compatable pc >idiots paranoid about security that think win 7 never tracks anything and are too dumb to swap over to linux
Both of them are morons and their opinions do not matter.
That's not quite true, i have no shortage of money and i'm not concerned with security, i just can't be assed to bother going through the hassle of upgrading until i decide to build a new PC, and nothing has come out in a decade that makes me feel like that's worth doing.
Moving everything except for a verify/login system which connects you to their cloud systems into the cloud.
You will still need a harddrive for this for now but in the future hard drivers in general will be obsolete as this can easily be put on memory within your system itself.
Need more space? Upgrade from Windows Basic to the premium plan. Get access to more stuff right away with a simple use of your credit card.
It's a funny idea, but no company would ever want to move to that model when the current one lets them offload a lion's share of the energy and performance costs to the customer.
A Cloud OS means Microsoft has to buy millions of $2000 rigs, instead of the current system where the public will buy those $2000 rigs themselves.
Nah, they will buy a ton of shitty rigs that can run a bunch of virtual desktops at shitty performance. You will pay for this on a monthly base because no other option exists anymore.
Despite all the shilling about how it's different and easier now, Linux is still garbage so anyone who doesn't want to switch to newer Windows will have the same issues with Linux on top of a whole heap of garbage that comes with everything being made for Windows.
GE has done a decent job keeping nobara noob-friendly, but if you do things like download shit off github you're probably still gonna need to do some google searching at some point as you will find that most linux guides online cater to ubuntu and arch users.
it does set up a whole ton of useful stuff out of the box and does have a good guide on startup for misc. stuff you might want to install.
As with every linux distro, you'll be presented with a list of challenges unique to you and you alone, but Nobara is likely the easiest way to get your foot in the door right now.
It will auto install your codecs and graphics card drivers but there will always be a couple snags included with that. For example: The Nvidea drivers included only worked with 900 series or newer cards. Installing Nobara on a 700 series card will result in massive headaches. ask me how I know. Another thing is that browser hardware acceleration will not work out of the box and appears to conflict with the codecs they provide.
>It will auto install your codecs and graphics card drivers
oh that sounds very nice. I'll make sure to keep a link to a download for this distro somewhere for the future when i scrape enough for a new PC, thanks anons
I'm on Windows 10 and it seems fine. Do I need 11?
If you do plan to build around linux, keep in mind that Wayland, despite being standard in RedHat distros for almost 8 years now, still refuses to play nice with Nvidea. You will eliminate half of your inevitable issues by going with an AMD card.
As with every linux distro, you'll be presented with a list of challenges unique to you and you alone, but Nobara is likely the easiest way to get your foot in the door right now.
It will auto install your codecs and graphics card drivers but there will always be a couple snags included with that. For example: The Nvidea drivers included only worked with 900 series or newer cards. Installing Nobara on a 700 series card will result in massive headaches. ask me how I know. Another thing is that browser hardware acceleration will not work out of the box and appears to conflict with the codecs they provide.
>Installing Nobara on a 700 series card will result in massive headaches.
To be fair, novideo are massive dicks for dropping support for Kepler despite its Vulkan capability. Even if you install the legacy drivers you won't get Vulkan 1.3 which means no modern DXVK for you.
>Nobara
every fricking month there's a new "le noob friendly" linux distro which of course turns out to not be noob friendly because linux is actually a mess with a million different people doing a million different things and shit WILL break and you will have to do random config editing and log file fishing to figure out how to fix it
Last time I gave linux a serious shot my entire desktop was locked at 60hz because I have a 60hz secondary monitor, making my computer feel like shit. After a day and a half of troubleshooting, the conclusion was that there is no fix for it.
Linux is a meme for people who have a troubleshooting fetish. There's not even the excuse of needing it for dev workflow because you can just use WSL.
>Last time I gave linux a serious shot my entire desktop was locked at 60hz because I have a 60hz secondary monitor, making my computer feel like shit. After a day and a half of troubleshooting, the conclusion was that there is no fix for it.
just use wayland, bro
wayland didn't work at all and at that point I didn't feel like troubleshooting anymore and just went back to windows.
It's always something. The time before that I had an issue where the desktop would take 3-5 minutes to load. Before that my ethernet adapter wouldn't get detected about half the reboots.
It's just always fricking something and for that reason alone linux is shit for anyone without a troubleshooting/ricing fetish.
ah well, all works fine out of the box on my current PC but i won't even pretend that's been my experience when trying different distros out on other hardware earlier.
If it works for you I'm genuinely happy for you but I'm also pretty confident that something major will break sooner or later for you and you'll be lost in troubleshooting hell
>every fricking month there's a new "le noob friendly" linux distro which of course turns out to not be noob friendly because linux is actually a mess with a million different people doing a million different things and shit WILL break and you will have to do random config editing and log file fishing to figure out how to fix it
People really should stop falling for these meme "distros" that are essentially just a couple of tweaks applied in advance. It's like if people were distributing a dozen different Windows .isos all with a different debloating script that runs during installation and then calling it their own version of Windows.
>It's like if people were distributing a dozen different Windows .isos all with a different debloating script that runs during installation and then calling it their own version of Windows.
but people are doing that lmao
Actually, I use Win10 since 7 years now and still installed 10 on new PC few months ago, despite it using 13th gen Intel CPU, which int heory shouldn't work on 10 properly because "muh e cores".
I'm glad Microsoft seems to know how fricking horrible Windows 8 and 8.1 were. I stayed on 7 for a long ass time, but 10 has been great. As long as 10 is fine I think I'll skip 11 as well.
>windows 10 ameliorated >I don't trust ms because of le spyware >hmmm yes I will install this random guy's iso
you're a fricking moron and you deserve to have your banking information stolen
if being a troony means i will not have to deal with stupid shit like pic related, i'll be glad to start the treatment.
it has been 6 uyears now, and i'm really happy to be a girl (male)
>i will not have to deal with stupid shit like pic related
you can disable or circumvent literally everything in that picture >uninstall edge >don't sign in to begin with >replace start menu with startallback >disable widgets and notifications >install old solitaire
that was like 15 whole minutes of effort, horrible
oh shit you're telling me i'll have to install some scripts and frick to have an usable operating system? yea i should just use linux at this point pesky chill
None of that requires a script it just requires you not to be more tech illiterate than zoomers
9 months ago
Anonymous
>"yur moar illiterate than otherz urrh"
yea show me homosexual, you talk a lot but don't bring anything on the table.
9 months ago
Anonymous
show you what? I told you exactly what you needed to do and none of those things require a script
9 months ago
Anonymous
you did nothing stfu you fricking homosexual, you're good at telling others what to do but you don't shit about what you're talking, you're all talk and nothing more. go fricking killyourself holy shit you stupid c**t
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Waaaaaaaaaah spoonfeed me
At least zoomers know how to use Google.
>morons don't know that they turned off the ability to set up W11 without a microsoft account >have to open up the command line and enter a specific code to unlock it again, something that no regular user is going to do
>Put [email protected] into the email bar and bang fist on keyboard a few times >Microsoft fails to find the account and let's you set up an offline one
There's no way you're white
No longer works with 22H2. You are now required to have an internet connection before you can proceed with set up.
To get the pre-22H2 setup you need to open a command promt and type OOBEBYPASSNRO. It will then reboot into the old version. post hand.
>something that no regular user is going to do
why the FRICK would I ever give a shit about what a regular user is going to do? You think I should use a different OS because the average user is a moronic monkey with no problem solving skills?
>smart enough to see Microsoft fricking you in the ass >too stupid to install Linux
Must be hell.
>Microsoft fricking you in the ass
is microsoft fricking me? because right now I have a fully functional OS with very little effort, something that's impossible on linux. >>too stupid to install Linux
you're not smart because you use linux, you just have a troubleshooting fetish
>you're not smart because you use linux, you just have a troubleshooting fetish
DIfferent anon. Id rather deal with troubleshooting than with MS nonsense..
>I thew my PC into the trashcan after Microsoft said that they will stop supporting Windows 98. Not interested in supporting them when they don't support me, mutual exchange. Now I'm going back to using a calculator and Unix.
Just a reminder, Windows 7 is 14 years old, it was released in 2009. Using that nowadays is like using Windows 95 when Windows 7 is available.
Update your OS you fricking autist, it doesn't hurt. You probably use tons of spyware on your PC anyway.
Also Valve doesn't care about you since according to their hardware survey only 0.1% of their users still use Windows 7.
> You probably use tons of spyware on your PC anyway.
You probably already use spyware bro so just get more spyware bro.
>MS nonsense..
what MS nonsense? Again, I have a fully functional OS with minimal effort. What should I be aware of that actually affects me?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>MS nonsense..
Dont know about you but all those years of constant: >Bro just update your PC bro >Bro just add MS account bro >Bro just add your mobile number bro >Bro just use edge bro >Bro just use MS store instead of .exe to get programs bro. >Bro just sell your soul to MS and worship Gates bro.
That shit pissed me off and was one of the big reasons I switched over.
Yeah Winaerotweaker exists but I learned of it when I already had linux. Troubleshooting is preferable than using MS and even then I had to do bunch of troubleshooting on MS.
>You probably already use spyware bro so just get more spyware bro.
Yeah, unironically. It all gets routed to the same two companies anyway. For example, what's the point of using a spyware free browser if Microsoft already collects tons of your browsing data and data about basically any other thing you do on your PC? Just fricking use Edge and Bing at this point.
If you genuinely give a shit about privacy, stop using half measures, use Linux and avoid spyware like Google or basically 80% of software that exists. But that would be too hard right?
>Yeah, unironically. It all gets routed to the same two companies anyway.
While I agree that halfmeasuring is stupid, but when it comes to privacy even halfmeasure is better than doing nothing imo.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you literally don't have to do any of those things. are you really so moronic that if an advertisement tells you to do something you immediately do it or something? >Yeah Winaerotweaker exists but I learned of it when I already had linux. >I had a problem and instead of looking for a solution I just ripped out my entire OS
you're a subhuman moron. >even then I had to do bunch of troubleshooting on MS.
hard fricking cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
Except you do have to.
I was setting up Win10 on a pc about a year ago.
The only way I could set it up without adding an account/mobile number was to not give installed internet access. And even after the install it would still beg for those shits once the pc got internet connection. It only stopped doing so after winaerotweaker was used to disable it.
Also unlike some morons I wouldnt just completely ditch the OS because I dont like change.
But windows has pissed me off so much that I decided to do it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It only stopped doing so after winaerotweaker was used to disable it.
So you had a problem and then you used a very simple solution that was 1 google search away?
That pissed you off so much that you just decided to switch to an inferior os? what are you even talking about right now lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
The guy thinks you're forced to use Edge and the MS Store. He's just lying about an experience he never had. He runs a potato with a 4 generation old GPU and 8GB RAM.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, you just make an offline account. I’ve installed win10 with an Ethernet plugged in as recently as a few months ago, it’s the same as it always was. They do try to steer you towards making an account but you just click no and that’s it
9 months ago
Anonymous
MS account is more secure, doe. You can do PIN/fingerprint/picture entry, which only works locally, so if by some weird chance you get a keylogger, your system password won't be compromised.
Old nonremastered point and clicks for me.
Someone had a full list when w10 came out.
I've heard of things mentioned like Dead Space original (runs fine here) and I don't know of any.
>You probably already use spyware bro so just get more spyware bro.
Yeah, unironically. It all gets routed to the same two companies anyway. For example, what's the point of using a spyware free browser if Microsoft already collects tons of your browsing data and data about basically any other thing you do on your PC? Just fricking use Edge and Bing at this point.
If you genuinely give a shit about privacy, stop using half measures, use Linux and avoid spyware like Google or basically 80% of software that exists. But that would be too hard right?
>something that no regular user is going to do
why the FRICK would I ever give a shit about what a regular user is going to do? You think I should use a different OS because the average user is a moronic monkey with no problem solving skills?
>dad constantly complain about steam lagging >check his laptop >nothing wrong with it and it's relatively good for a laptop >move a mouse around steam menus >CPU instantly jump to 100% use >meanwhile releases box still looks like this
I don't know what kind of pajeets they hired to do this but Jesus Christ not even Epic store is this shit.
Around 2yo but it's not the issue with hardware, all chrome based browsers shit themselves when you put your pc to sleep instead turning it off, which is something laptop users do constantly.
>inferior to 7
Inferior how? like, they can actually run software in 2023?
Actual question to people who still use Windows 7, what the frick do you do on your PC's aside from browsing the internet? Half of new software doesn't even fricking work or barely does, do you even get GPU driver updates?
inferior as in, if companies still supported 7, there would be no reason whatsoever to migrate. you are basically admitting that the only reason to move is because you're forced to for artificial compatibility reasons.
>Actual question to people who still use Windows 7, what the frick do you do on your PC's aside from browsing the internet?
AMP stack test server / webapp development
Native app development
photo/video processing
spreadsheets
streaming
packet sniffing
piracy without ms looking over my shoulder
>Half of new software doesn't even fricking work or barely does, do you even get GPU driver updates?
fun fact: GPU updates don't really do anything unless they were buggy to begin with. it's a placebo just like your OS updates. the only new software that doesn't work on 7 are games, and most of the new ones are shit. if i really want to play one i can get a PS5, but i'm old enough that i don't give a shit about fomo
>Do you work on your PC's?
see above, i graduated with a bachelor's in CS. i also still have a 16:10 monitor, because i didn't believe the 16:9 hype, and i was right about that too. most games actually support 16:10 just fine unless the devs are little b***hes that force black bars to make it 16:9 to "balance" it for the suckers who actually bought into a shitty aspect ratio designed for blu-ray players. god you people are so dumb, i wish you had the IQ to understand computers.
>GPU updates don't really do anything unless they were buggy to begin with.
that's fricking moronic. I'm disregarding your entire post solely because of how moronic this sentence is. I don't even have to explain why it's moronic because you already admitted that new games don't work. spoiler: it's because of the API extensions that are in the driver updates. You fricking moron.
>2023 >skype is dead >slack is popular for business and discord is popular for consumers >both are proprietary systems patterned after IRC
yeah, so now you have IRC but need an account for each service and some corpo spying on your comms. fricking told you morons.
>local Library had windows XP on all their computers until 2014 >A year after upgrading every PC to windows 7 they immediately upgrade to windows 10
Microsoft-sama... I kneel....
I have no plans to update.
On windows 8.1
I'll just stop buying games I think.
Steam rose because it solved a service issue. Ironic it will die because of a service issue.
Cascading effect. Won't happen immediately, will be gradual. And arguably already happened.
Also I and most people never did the surveys.
Third worlders with outdated pcs will also get dropped.
The cascading effect will be the result of multiple factors.
Disagree with the linux and survey likelihood though, I don't see a connection.
People migrate to linux because they no longer feel worth it to pay for official windows+the win7/8 time running out, but a subset of the people on win7/8 won't migrate or update, they'll just stop using steam, as it becomes less convenient.
By cascading effect I mean people will find fewer reasons to game at all when it becomes more prohibitive. People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal which will be another discouraging factor.
>People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal
Not only do native Linux versions generally not run worse, but running Windows games under Proton regularly performs better.
the 1% lows are fine after shader compilation is done
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him, but you're just illustrating more prohibitiveness. Realistically average joe isn't going to go to such lengths.
9 months ago
Anonymous
they're not going to go to such lengths as playing the game normally for 10 minutes? what?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>spend hours tweaking to play 10 minutes
You said my point for me.
Cope. They did it and that's all that matters.
>The steam sales heyday were windows 7/8 era.
How is this relevant? People have moved on, at least 98% of them have.
The people that moved on are mostly laptops that came bundled with w10..
9 months ago
Anonymous
hours tweaking to play 10 minutes
the frick are you talking about? you don't have to tweak anything, shader compilation just happens and then the 1% lows are fine.
>By cascading effect I mean people will find fewer reasons to game at all when it becomes more prohibitive.
but it's not becoming prohibitive. This is moronic. Again, 1.5% of people use win7. Nothing is becoming prohibitive and upgrading to win7 is absolutely trivial.
You're acting like valve is randomly axing half their userbase or some shit. >People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal which will be another discouraging factor.
people spend hundreds of dollars on their gaymen pcs and don't do much on them besides vidya. You think they're gonna go "oh I guess I'll just throw my pc in the trash because the performance is slightly worse"
No one but enthusiasts are migrating to linux in the first place. >Overall a dumb decision by nuValve.
It's a perfectly rational decision. You're just moronic. You can't expect them to support an ancient OS used by almost no one. That's a huge waste of resources.
Cope all you like, it's a nail in the coffin.
Old valve would have done something like release a barebones client that's even further backwards compatible from 7.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Old Valve killed 9x, 2000, XP, and Vista support before.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Those were back when the client itself was still shit fatigues green and people hadn't adopted it full time yet. The steam sales heyday were windows 7/8 era.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cope. They did it and that's all that matters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The steam sales heyday were windows 7/8 era.
How is this relevant? People have moved on, at least 98% of them have.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Cope all you like, it's a nail in the coffin.
It's really not. Anyone with a brain is just going to upgrade to 10 because it's not that different from 7 >Old valve would have done something like release a barebones client that's even further backwards compatible from 7.
are you moronic? They've already killed support for every windows up to 7 and guess what? nothing happened. Because people just move on and install the new OS.
Why the frick would they ever spend any dev resources on maintaining a client for less than 2% of their userbase that chooses to use an dead unsupported OS?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Anyone with a brain is just going to upgrade to 10
No one is upgrading hardware to support more demanding software in this economy. People might move to deck or consoles. >They've already killed support for every windows up to 7
Steam's rise occurred during windows 7.
No one cared before because no one cared about steam before, begrudgingly used for cs prior.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>No one is upgrading hardware to support more demanding software in this economy.
people are upgrading hardware regardless to play new games. The average steam user has a 6 core and an rtx 3060. Windows 10 isn't demanding either, any CPU in the last 12 years will work just fine.
If you buy any CPU made from ~2016 onwards you can't even install windows 7 if you wanted to without some silly workarounds. >Steam's rise occurred during windows 7.
And yet, now it's less than 2% of the userbase. Even if that entire 2% of people never touch a videogame again as a direct result of this, it will have no effect on steam at large.
Some people did sure, but it made less sense back then. I was happy to move from windows 98 to windows 2000. I got more features, access to more software, and it didn't make my experience of using my PC worse. This is alien to zoomers but there was a time where we had an optimistic outlook on the future of technology because it offered us more that benefitted US and not microsoft than >"You have to upgrade because... WELL YOU JUST DO, OKAY!? Why don't you want a less optimized, more inconvenient version of what you were using already?"
Every OS upgrade after XP has felt like a downgrade not an upgrade except for 7 which was better than Vista, 10 was already bad, 11 is even worse, 8 was so fricking awful that people pretend it doesn't exist.
>there are "people" who only use 7 because 4chin told them to 10 years ago >they're afraid to upgrade because they think they'll get bullied on 4chin for it
Win 7 is an amazing OS
and some people just dont like change at all.
Honestly if my PC did not came with win10 I wouldve installed 7 on it in a heart beat.
Cause it's a good OS. Better than 8 and more stable than 10.
10 is not 8.1 bad, and 11 doesn't seem like a big upgrade, but for some reason my PC couldn't handle it until recently.
The people who still use 7 are psuedo-intellectuals who go with the niche internet forum hipster opinion. 8.1 is factually better in every way if you want to stay off 10. >muh bloatware applets!
Uninstall them. >muh start menu!
Install classic shell.
It's amazing how the poors have no self awareness as they try to mock people who have better. >YOU PAJEET STREET SHITTERS AND YOUR 4090s AND 13900s RUNNING WINDOWS 11 >I'M A PROUD WHITE MAN RUNNING WINDOWS 95 ON A PENTIUM 2 WITH A S3 VIRGE
or >YOU FRICKING israeliteS SPENDING MONEY ON GOOD HARDWARE >I PENNY PINCH AND AM STINGY LIKE A GENTILE
>muh obsolete >actually you can play more games worth playing just fine (since newer windows can't play some older games, which are typically better), you just can't run some bullshit chromium bloat pushed onto the steam store
Yea no thanks. If they had some legit reason to shed w7/8 support I'd accept it. Chromium garbage smells like google meddling, and we all know which direction google is headed with their search engine.
Stuoid decision to couple their cloent with chromium, for nongaming reasons. Guess we know who's eyeing to buy valve when gabe kicks it.
>since newer windows can't play some older games, which are typically better
name one singular game that doesn't run on windows 10. >If they had some legit reason to shed w7/8 support I'd accept it.
the reason is that it's an insecure, unsupported OS that's used by almost no users. it's a waste of resources to support it. >Chromium garbage smells like google meddling
are you fricking moronic? steam has had chromium since like 2012. The fact that you saw it had chromium and instantly jumped to some autistic corporate conspiracy shows me how absolutely melted your brain is.
>name one singular game that doesn't run on windows 10.
A lot, cbf to pull up the list and not near my desktop. Even soul reaver takes a bunch of work to run and it's mainstream.
>the reason is that it's an insecure, unsupported OS t
A pc being unsecure is none of valve's business. They distribute games. Leave security to others.
>Even soul reaver takes a bunch of work to run and it's mainstream.
you just apply one patch and you're done and that game is 24 years old. Most games that are that old are going to require fixes on modern hw regardless of your OS. >A pc being unsecure is none of valve's business.
First, yes it is because if people's shit gets haxed and their hats stolen then valve has to deal with it.
There is just no incentive to support an OS that almost nobody uses that nobody has any real reason to use
>First, yes it is because if people's shit gets haxed and their hats stolen then valve has to deal with it.
Which is a dishonest argument anyway since people getting phished isn't os dependent and is happening more on w10 guaranteed percentage wise than on w7/8.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>people getting phished isn't os dependent
it is if you're using an OS with known unpatched exploits.
Again, there is just no reason to support it. It's obvious because you can't come up with one and instead you're just sperging out because I called it insecure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Learn what phishing is. It's voluntarily giving up your credentials.
Furthermore, one of the main ways of hacking nowadays is using authenticated login files, which is how Linus Tech Tips YouTube got "hacked", and he was definitely on w10/11 whatever. Again, os independent. Stupid excuse, doesn't reflect reality.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>clings to one word instead of addressing the whole argument
you are the worst kind of moronic Black person on internet forums and I sincerely hope you slit your wrists
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he says as he ignored the second half of my post
Hypocrite
9 months ago
Anonymous
your post is moronic. just because you can get hacked on windows 10 doesn't make windows 7 secure. And even if windows 7 wasn't insecure, it's still a dead OS with no incentive to keep supporting it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Point to what specifically is more secure witj regards to running steam. Nothing. It's all fantasy. Been using 7 amd 8 since their release, not a single virus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely do not give a frick enough to argue with you about the security merits of windows 7 because it's not even relevant to my argument. it could be the most secure OS in the world and it would still not make sense to keep supporting it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's a bullshit argument to begin with. Not even Microsoft is dropping it really for "security reasons" in the sense that it's less secure, but so it can free up engineers to develop other things, let alone valve believing something like this (they are against Microsoft to begin with since gabe an exmicrosoft employee hates it).
Ain't nobody writing viruses for windows 95 anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
security is not the main reason I listed. Why are you so fixated on it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your argument is >we should drop it because... It's OLD
Even though games can download and install and run on it just fine.
9 months ago
Anonymous
no, they should drop it because supporting it is a waste of time and money. There is no reason to support something so few people use and that has a direct successor.
The whole reason w7/8 is being dropped is because of a chromium requirement. It doesn't matter if steam had chromium before, it didn't have such a requirement then.
Again old valve would have dropped it's chromium dependency once it had this new requirement instead of offloading the problem to the userbase.
Nail in the coffin. Not the final nail, but all of a sudden other clients are looking less bad.
>Again old valve would have dropped it's chromium dependency once it had this new requirement instead of offloading the problem to the userbase.
And I guess they should just never update the client in any way so that people using ancient software who refuse to update for no particular reason can use it? >Nail in the coffin.
Why do you keep saying this? It's less than 2%. Nobody cares. This will affect virtually no one other than a couple autists who refuse to upgrade their systems.
>And I guess they should just never update the client in any way so that people using ancient software who refuse to update for no particular reason can use it?
Duh. The process of distributing games relies on some of the oldest technology ever that even ancient computers could perform - downloading files off the internet and installing them onto the hard disk. It's about as complex as a wget and less complex than ffmpeg which runs on even older software.
It's basic brainless function. The only reason they're updating the requirements is because of superficial auxiliary bloat - their store somehow needs chromium to dispay their fancy images to advertise games, which is a bullshit corporate reason, you know it, I know it.
Nail in the coffin.
9 months ago
Anonymous
steam is more than just a client to download game files though, whether you like it or not. >Nail in the coffin.
I would really love to hear your schizo explanation how losing 2% of your userbase (worst case scenario) will affect steam in any way at all.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>steam is more than just a client to download game files though, whether you like it or not. >omg it takes so much tech to download gifs to advertise games and run a payment platform older than sin
Nah I reject your premise.
9 months ago
Anonymous
if you ask the average steam user what they like about steam their answer won't be "it lets me download my games", because the client is more than that.
are you genuinely incapable of understanding that new features require newer technologies?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>because the client is more than that.
No one for a minute is fooled by all the bloated fluff that steam has added to the client over the years, least of all the average steam user (private profile, doesn't use any of the community/social shit). They use steam for pure utility and convenience (which this update is an attack on).
The people with elaborate tranime profiles and long walls of text are the vast minority.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the average steam user (private profile, doesn't use any of the community/social shit)
that is very far from the average steam user. You're completely disconnected from reality.
The average steam user might not have a riced out profile but they absolute do use things like achievements, guides, look at community posts and definitely enjoy having a fancy library view. If you look at reddit, the most normie website in the world you'll se plenty of examples of people posting their customized libraries and getting thousands of upboats because people love that shit, just like they love organizing their physical media on shelves.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Reddit is not normalgays.
Reddit is midwits.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the average person is a midwit, dummy
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you buy into the idea that that's what makes your platform fundamentally attractive at its core, you will suffer the same fate as countless other businesses.
Never forget what your main service entails.
Let me tell you the people predominantly using all those things you describe are more fickle than the people who support a business for its utility.
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol you're talking like steam is removing the ability to download games and not removing support for an os that 2% of the users use. TWO PERCENT. That's like, two weeks of natural user growth.
9 months ago
Anonymous
2% is huge.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, it isn't. Steam gains like 5x that in a year. It's not an amount you should worry about
9 months ago
Anonymous
Easy gains are easy losses.
We'll see what further bad decisions hey make.
What games do people play on windows 7 that they couldn’t just pirate? Yeah you’re losing counter strike but you were losing that when 2 releases anyway
Nope.
A good reminder that you don't own anything on Steam.
>put steamless dll into game folder
>own all my games now
Stop using obsolete software
Cry about it.
Seems the only one's "crying about it" are you Win7Schizo's considering who made the thread.
>Shit witch
>Shit take
>cries even harder
lol
lmao
Not even the same person, your opinion and taste is just bad, LOL
but Steam is the most prominent launcher, moron
>windows 7
lmao, why not use Vista instead?
Because vista is worse. What are you talking about?
Vista is okay
>Because vista is worse.
Vista and 7 are actually very similar you fricking moron
I can't tell if that's bait or if you're literally moronic.
Saying Vista is as good as 7 is like saying win98 was on par with XP.
Vista got a bad reputation because people were upgrading to it with old parallel printers with no WDDM drivers and shit. The OS actually ran pretty well.
It was the last time an os was ever released that was genuinely ahead of its time. It was nearly windows 7 but on 2006 hardware. That’s why Microsoft makes sure you can run windows 11 on shit ass netbooks now, because everyone complained.
I uninstalled Steam when this message came up and then took it off my Windows 10 machine as well. Not interested in supporting them when they don't support me, it's a mutual exchange.
see ya
>I thew my PC into the trashcan after Microsoft said that they will stop supporting Windows 98. Not interested in supporting them when they don't support me, mutual exchange. Now I'm going back to using a calculator and Unix.
Just a reminder, Windows 7 is 14 years old, it was released in 2009. Using that nowadays is like using Windows 95 when Windows 7 is available.
Update your OS you fricking autist, it doesn't hurt. You probably use tons of spyware on your PC anyway.
Also Valve doesn't care about you since according to their hardware survey only 0.1% of their users still use Windows 7.
reminder to thank google for getting the entire world hooked on chromeshit
thank ms for making ie shell so shit chrome was needed
Are you suggesting that linux used IE too?
To be fair, it biggest competitor, Firefox, shits the bed everytime it updates and also most of the time works like garbage.
So what's the better web explorer today? Opera? Fricking Edge?
Not him, but come on now, Edge?? seriously? lol
Just go with Brave browser or ungoogled Chromium or some shit
edge is unironically obkectivelly better than google chrome (it removed all of google telemetry to replace it with microsoft's but somehow still has less data collection than chrome, and is faster)
But yeah, ungoogled chromium would be the best.
Still superior to Chrome.
I used firefox for years after another handful of years using chrome. In my experience, the longer you use a browser, the shittier it gets, specially if you don't wipe clean your OS installation reasonably often. Right now I'm using Chrome with little to no problems, and I expect that to change in a year or so.
you learn linux and stop the sunk cost fallacy you've been feeding all your life
or
you pussy out and go back to gargling microwiener
I rather sell my soul to a multibillion company that offers me easy solutions for my problems than becoming a troony who thinks he's smart for using complex methods to do simple things
cope.
>linux is complicated
I know this is bait, but if you're married to microsoft why not just use win10 LTSC?
Before any Steamdrones come and try to defend this, Valve could easily plaster a massive banner on every Steam client page with "Steam is not officially supported on [INSERT OS HERE], any issues will not be supported." instead of intentionally removing your ability to run software which is perfectly fine.
they won't because the client is used for financial transactions and they're not going to bother supporting old os and old version of chrome that can be exploited.
1) No longer patch Steam for Win 7 or 8. Tell everyone it's "as is," no warranty, computer can get a virus or crash, etc.
2) Someone finds an exploit in this unpatched Win 7/8 client which easily lets people download, install, and play any game for free.
3) Have to cut off all Win 7/8 players anyway, or else game companies will pull all their games from Steam.
the problem is that Steam is built off of webkit, and webkit will be updating to "require" a feature that 7 doesn't have
it's a shitposting thread dummy
you're not supposed to use common sense
They still need to monitor the browser for exploits on each operating system; and only cucks would willingly expand their workload everytime microshit releases a new skyrim.
they'll just do this again down the road. im with 7 and never using launchers again
>but anon you'll never get to play slopman remake
i dont fricking care
but surely you could just torrent slopman remake instead of using steam anyway
slopman probably doesn't run on his ancient os anyway
>Go to where ever steam is installed
>Created a file steam.cfg
>Open it
>BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
>Save
>did this kinda thing previously
>doesn't halt the Countdown
It won't stop the countdown if you didn't apply it beforehand, but it will let you use your steam client after the countdown. You will still see the red "unsupported" sign on your client but other than that your game library with your existing purchases remains available.
QRD
So doing this will still allow us to play our games and use steam?
Yes to games, no to steam features, especially web browsing. At some point it will break and you'll get a black screen with the broken image icon on the top left when trying to muddle around the store.
So it is just a temp work around.
Well I suppose I have to install W10 on my gayman PC
Fricking shit tier OS
just use your actual browser for store/chat features, baka
It effectively "freezes" your steam client to the day to apply the cfg file. You just won't be able to play any games that have hard requirements of windows 10+ that can't be circumvented with the usual github methods.
If you're so mad at modern windows, why not linux? I've seen plenty of games working in the linux thread whenever it pops up. Some madman even got games on his gentoo build.
I want to use wondows, I dont wnat to have to use an unfriendly user experience OS, and learn a new OS just to play vidya.
I just fricking hate windows 10, it is fricking cancer.
>uninstall software
>it reinstalls it for you automatically
>close background process
>starts the background proses back up
>try close a background process
>you cant shit this shit down
What other fricking OS wont actually let me use or not use the software I want.
>learn a new OS just to play vidya.
That's really too bad. I couldn't put up with 10 or 11 so I went with linux just last year around the same time as now when I finished my new build.
Good luck anon. Grab all the 3rd party software you can that makes life easier on 10.
Have you come to any game that you cannot use yet anon?
Does your CPY/.GPU drivers work on linux?
Two games that won't work properly, one of them was fixed 100%, and I wasn't even the original poster that wanted it fixed: Marvin's Mittens, a meme game in the linux threads. The other one was the Kingdom Hearts collection from Epic, it could only run by emptying out the entire folder containing cutscenes due to Jap moronation with how video files were played.
GPU driver works on linux. I didn't have to install anything as it was baked into the kernel. Also helps that I'm using a gaming distro that had almost everything useful for gaming packed in it already.
One problem that would really piss anyone off on linux is how Nvidia keeps fricking up their driver updates. Nvidia you will have to install the GPU drivers. I can't remember how many times I've seen Nvidia GPU guys falling back to 525 because 535 is a piece of shit. Makes me glad I'm on AMD.
>The other one was the Kingdom Hearts collection from Epic, it could only run by emptying out the entire folder containing cutscenes due to Jap moronation with how video files were played.
Wait a sec, are you saying KH3 can now be played easily on the Steam Deck?? cause it wasnt working without some crazy ass workarounds on the Steam Deck just a few months ago...
is there some newer Proton GE that just "makes it werk TM" ?
I ran it through bottles after listening to gentoo anon write about the cutscene problem. Don't know about the Steam Deck, I think the crazy workarounds are the same thing I used to make it work.
Damn, well good for you anon.
Im a Linux noob, i only add the non-steam games to Steam and run them with Proton-GE and around 60-70% of them just werk, but others like FF7R and KH3 or Dragonball Kakarot, Horizon ZD, Monster hunter among some others just dont pop up at all.
And i dont understand jack shit about bottles and Wine and all that mumbo jumbo lol.
Which Monster Hunter? World? Because the Steam version worked ootb. I find pirated non-steam added big title games are very hit-or-miss when it comes to getting them to work while their legit versions just seem to run.
All the games i test are cracked versions yes, I own tons of games on Steam and almost everything works.. but surprisingly around 60-70% cracked non-steam games also work just fine with ProtonGE .. others like MonHun World cracked do not work for whatever reason..
I like to backup my bought games just in case some crap happens to Steam (like what this thread is about) or to my Steam account. Future preservation if you will
I just copy my Steam folder over into my backups and toss Steamless and Goldberg in there without having to go around finding scene cracks.
Hmmm.. that's interesting, i didnt think about Steamless and Goldberg for Steam Deck and its OS. I admit i never tried those even on Windows but it could be one solution for my backup plans. Thanks
Don't trust me on it, you should test it yourself. I can count the number of games I have with Denuvo in one hand yet I'm pretty sure that's a big obstacle to game preservation without relying on cracks.
If a game doesn't just immediately work always check protondb. Here's horizon for example
https://www.protondb.com/app/1151640
Yes I know about ProtonDB my good anon.. but my case here is for testing cracked NON-steam games via Steam OS on the deck..
im pretty sure ProtonDB is for legit Steam games anyway, which for the most part just work out of the box.
i had it blocked before timer and it work
>troonix
yikes
Just say you don't know how to use a computer dude
Go compile a kernel or something, what are you doing here, it's a board about games
>syas the troon promoting windows
you can't make this shit up
how do i trick steam into thinking im not using a win7 machine?
Try spoofing winver.
ok how
Maybe try fricking around this registry value in regedit
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionCurrentVersion
>Was on W7 for 14 years.
>Was 100% against moving but my PC needed to be upgraded.
>Find one post by an anon on this website talking about W10 LTSC IoT, look it up and install it
>No dogshit W10 bloat (except Edge), no major issues, no updating and rebooting me just because it feels like it.
Still would prefer to stay on 7, but this is not awful.
>except Edge
You can fix that, just look for the Ganker thread on windows 10.
Will do, thanks anon.
Can't you share a link?
I torrented it.
Just look up Windows 10 LTSC IoT
>W10 LTSC IoT
This will be full of bloatware shit you wont need and will never use, this is for companies, offices or warehouses for example.
You just want standard windows 10 home, which will come with next to nothing installed.
win home has ads and keyloggers, homosexual
>win home has ads and keyloggers
>citation needed
>too moronic to install optional software
>wants to install a business version full with optional software
nice try, homosexual
how do I uninstall racial equality?
I prescribe large does of hot lead.
not him but i have debloated version = 7 skin
still use 7 like 98%(have dual boot)
Home is the most bloated version of any releases of 10/11
>>W10 LTSC IoT
>This will be full of bloatware shit you wont need and will never use, this is for companies, offices or warehouses for example.
it's in fact the least debloated version due to EU regulations, doesn't even have cortana
>EU regulations touched it
>i ate shit but at least it didnt make me vomit
Gonna reformat my computer next summer for a fresh install. I'm on W10 but how is W11 nowadays? Is it worth it or some sort of special version like this that strips a ton of shit
>WHY WONT STEAM LET ME USE AN UNSECURED OS
Because it's my fricking PC not Gabes, how the frick does he have a say what OS I'm running
its google thats pulling the strings actually
they're updating their chrome version that steam uses which drops windows 7 as a consequence
No point even using steam these days. The launcher is a laggy piece of shit now due to chromium.
Just use steamCMD to download your games and apply a steam emulator to them.
Kek holy cope. Have fun using anything else
>Have fun using anything else
Oh I will.
Do u think pirating is gonna prevent u from coming back to steam? If so, good luck. We'll see you next week
>t. lost a customer
I have never used steam and never will. People that have are the cancer killing games and so should be mutilated and killed too.
people use steam? I just make my own frontend for pirated games and it works for me bro
Just wait for new games to not support W7.
or
>sync steam to gog
>use gog DRMless iso backup feature
>now have isos of all your steam games that dont need a launcher or anything
shits been a thing for over a decade, surprised you newbies dont use it
>>sync steam to gog
its barely give anything
>W7 steam is used as an attack vector to steal a bunch of morons' money
>valve now has to deal with lawsuits
Even if they'd never go anywhere it's still easier and cheaper to just ditch W7.
this is worse than if when 7 came out someone was like "no why can't I keep using 98"
>paid shilling
not even 2% kek
sticking to a dead OS is mental illness try not chopping your dick as well
>anon complains about steam losing windows 7 support
homosexuals will be homosexuals
install gentoo
>"the government can't spy on me because i use windows 7!"
This is what Ganker actually believes.
i dont think i've ever seen that posted and i browse some moronic placed.
are you sure this isnt some moronic idea you had and youre assuming everyone shared it? The kids are into "BACK DOOR CPUS" these days.
the #1 reason i see for people sticking with 7 is telemetry
No you dont because that makes no sense and you made it the frick up.
what. are you really gonna pretend that people don't complain about the telemetry
Other anon: the relative lack of telemetry is 100% why a great deal of people stuck by Windows 7.
People stick with 7 because they're moronic idiots just like people who used to stick to xp and those who stuck to 95 before that.
>Dual boot into 10
>Start Menu looks like shit
>Right Click menu is horrible
>The fricking control panel dear god what the hell
>Why is my downloads folder constantly sorted in time groups
Even with all the useless bloat removed its a fricking horrible experience. I only even boot into windows 10 if I want to play a DX12 game.
>boot win10
>dont customize anything at all
>itsshit.jpg
>cry on the internet
>boot win10
>dont customize anything at all
7 just works
This is some of the most arbitrary list of complaints I've ever heard, you sure you don't have brain problems anon?
my work laptop and my work desktop both have win 10
the control panel still enrages me
so does windows re-enabling every shitty intrusive feature after major updates
it's objectively slower
boots slow
opens folders slowly
the laptop is a fairly recent gamer laptop and it's still unusable while it's updating
Just install windows 10 LoT LTSC over it and disable telemetry / updates in group policy
No, buy on GoG (that doesn't force you to use launchers) or pirate.
Simmilar experiance, I also have laptop on 10. I use simplewall to disbale a lot of win10 shit and then it actually runs ok.
>try something new
>have a meltdown when it's different
>instead of changing to be like the old thing you cry about how it's different
you are the reason why everything is moronproofed and you can't customize anything, how does that make you feel?
People playing Armored Core after Souls.
Only one I'll give you is 10's 'modern' Control Panel being ass. Shame they left fixing most of that to 11, even though 11 is still missing modern equivalents to some of the classic shit I still use.
Also 11 made the start menu/right click borderline unusable.
the control panel is mostly an improvement on the old one. It's just bad because they didn't port everything so you still have to use the old control panel.
Imagine being this assmad about easily fixable microshit stuff and still not maining Linux.
These are the stupidest complaints
>not disabling telemetry
>not disabling cortana
>web searches from start menu search
>microsoft edge
>doesn't know how to change views on his folders
bro just stop. I don't say this often but go back to consoles, pc gaming isn't for you.
which is funny because apparently they don't know that microsoft has already backported alot of the telemetry to windows 7. https://www.howtogeek.com/428265/windows-7s-july-2019-security-patch-includes-telemetry/
>Updating ever
Your own damn fault. And you can easily uninstall any update anyway if you accidentally downloaded them.
Windows 7 updates are not mandatory, Black person.
I use Windows 10, not my problem.
See you in 2029.
When I switch to another OS like any sane rational person?
Windows 7 cucks are fricking hilarious, OS is worse than 10 in every imaginable way and yet they cling to it.
Have fun using third party modifications just to be able to scroll a non-highlight window lmao
Win 10 uses more ram and cpu time. Games run faster on 7.
old game run better, system run faster, it just works
Can't you just put Linux with Steam installed on a USB drive and boot it from there? Even a VM can do the job.
>Gaming on a VM
You can, but I wouldn't ever recommend it.
Linux.
less than 2% of users still use W7
you're screaming like trannies wanting representation when you're just a loud minority
cope, seethe and install another OS
>Valve releases no new games
>Can't be arsed to maintain a slim Steam client for the purpose of downloading, verifying, and updating games on older OS
Revenue from Windows 7 users < Cost of Steam paying their tech guys to maintain a slim Windows 7 client.
A slim WinXP client*
They wouldn't need to maintain it if they programmed it right the first time, unlike the 500 iterations they keep wasting money making for the current version.
Yeah but you wouldnt have to maintain it since all those calls are just API calls
Why would valve support dead Microsoft products when they shill Linux and have their own gaming operating system?
Preservation reasons. Same reason they made their dead backlog Deck compatible.
Why is it valves job to make sure games they did not make, work on a dead, unsupported operating system that their competition made almost 20 years ago?
I'm all for digital preservation but just actually think about it from a sane pov
it has nothing to do with the games, moron. the games aren't changing. valve clearly doesn't do QA/QC anyway with all the broken shitpiles that you can find on steam. and steam is also 20 years old you dumb Black person, why are you still using it?
valve should be responsible for maintaining their own software to serve their customers' needs. that's why we pay them the 30%. i don't need valve to lazily repackage chrome and for the bugs in that software that they're also too lazy to fix, to disable my access to games that by themselves would run perfectly in 7. i already have a browser that works. if that doesn't sound sane to you, you're just a bootlicking cuck.
don't know what i do
i'm not a neet to spend every waking hour tweaking Linux
and i'm certainly not installing win 10
guess i'll just pirate everything from now on
>i'm certainly not installing win 10
Why not? It plays video games and just works.
the time gap between the release of 7 and XP was shorter than the gap between 7 and today
you are using a literal dinosaur of an os you fricking morons
>BUT IT'S OLD!
and, Black person?
bro you're posting on Ganker, you should've moved on to facebook, reddit, twitter, tumblr, or instagram by now if you believe so strongly that "old=bad".
No, we’re on Ganker.
Ganker is still -- years old, zoomer. Time to go to the new cool website called X.
Recently switched to Linux. Pic related my PC so far.
i just stripped my window install of everything related to gaming save for VR and about to do the same what dock is that?
>what dock is that?
Dock To Dash it is called.
Check out my neofetch too
what browser do you use?
Chromium.
anti virus? (i know it's a silly question)
does linux come with a firewall?
Linux comes with a firewall, you have to configure it yourself. Anti-virus is unnecessary, you'll probably be trying to run windows exe files and any viruses in those won't work properly or simply corrupt your wine install which is easily turned over by crudely reinstalling it. You can still get viruses the same way mac os users can get fed malicious .dmg files by being a moron with your downloads.
mint any good?
Seen anons playing on it, yes. But also sometimes ran into the common problem of having an older kernel so the game, usually pirated, freaks out because it needs updated versions of programs to work. Try it out on a big USB drive, I've seen people playing games straight from a 128GB live OS of linux prior to actual installation.
Post your in-game Shogunbot or frick off
Why every Linux desktop have it like a troony programmer?
Based Gnome chad.
That icon pack is quite garish but I approve nonetheless.
Nah. I'm just playing the good Steam games now. I'm sort of looking forward to the end, since it means I can focus on the non-Steam titles and do other things. Maybe Win11 someday, but I'm not rushing out to build a new PC just for the Steam launcher.
Remember when people were saying they'd never move from XP and even Vista because 7 was absolute shit for years because of the changes it made with Aero and a bunch of other stuff? Now everyone's memoryholed that like it never happened and is acting like W7 is what everyone loved this whole time.
It's because it never did happen. People shat on Vista and then once 7 came out people switched in droves.
But it did. Hell, we had constant threads on Ganker, not to mention Ganker, where people were b***hing about the bloatware, Aero dropping performance compared to the "Slick and clean XP interface", people complaining about the compatibility with older games, people complaining about Microsoft having backdoors even before W8 was a thing, I can't remember if complaints about forcing updates was with 7 or 10 and the same deal was with the shift to the Microsoft Store, and more.
People were constantly b***hing about 7, then 8, then 8.1, then 10, because they didn't want to move on from XP.
It's because XP was the GOAT. Vista came out and was shit. Nobody switch to 7 because of Aero of all things. Vista was just THAT bad that everyone wanted to move on as fast as possible
people have bought into the whole "pc gaming master race we are free here" propaganda when in reality they are just as locked down as any other console.
Not even close, but nice try consolepleb.
no i'm not
I can boot up Halo 3, Pikmin 4, and the Sly Cooper all at the same time if I wanted to. How exactly am I locked down?
No, I've been using W10 since it's launch.
>have winblows 10
>new update every fricking day
>free America
>gun battles every day
I don't have a mentally illness and I don't think the government is trying to kill me by means of corporations that service billions of people.
I honestly thought they pulled this move years ago, I'm surprised people don't see the writing all over the wall for W7 because MS has been trying to get rid of it for years now by making no new shit compatible at all and same thing is gonna happen to W10 after 12 launches
People did see the writing on the wall, but 7 is still the best and just werks 99% of the time for everything. The real writing on the wall that 7 users see is that windows will only keep getting worse and worse. It's not about selling users a good OS anymore, it's now about monetizing the users. Microsoft has a massive stranglehold on the OS space, they know it, and they're abusing it to slowly boil the frogs as it feels more and more like you're renting your pc from ms instead of owning it.
Everyone who's laughing who's still on 10 is going to be same position and forced to 11. By 12 there'll likely be no way out of creating an account. More ads will be shown, more data collected, and who knows what else. You already have zero control over updates. And by that point people will be so accustomed to the abuse they'll defend it all the same.
Works of wisdom from this anon... it will only get worse.
Also what are the odds those Nvidia israelites or Motherboard manufacturers wont just put some damn chips to LOCK you only on Windows OS going forward and making Linux cease to exist on newer PCs?
or am i just going a bit paranoid at this point? id hate that future to happen
being forced to collaborate with windows on driver support costs monies
>LOCK you only on Windows OS
I'd highly doubt that, but what I can easily see happening is they start collecting data to sell off and snooping around to see if you're being a good customer. Corporations know the vast majority of the populace doesn't give a shit if they don't see it happening.
Why don't people just switch to Linux or use an open source debloater on modern Windows?
>just switch to Linux
what games uses linux?
I would imagine there are shit loads that cannot be used.
you mean what games run on linux? Most of them considering steamos is just another linux distro
>I would imagine there are shit loads that cannot be used.
What makes you think that? Steam Deck uses Linux. Almost every game btw.
Steam develops a pretty excellent compatibility layer that Just Works most of the time. Use the site protonDB to check for support for your favorite games. The problem is some multiplayer games with anti-cheat rootkits, as well as pirated copies/cracks that are usually windows exclusive.
Honestly, if you value a smooth and non-intrusive computing experience, many linux distros are better than windows at this point. And if you run into an issue, there's a ton of support online.
There's always runescape.
I use Linux. New IP btw.
About 15% of Steam games run natively on Linux.
Most of the other 85% work anyway because Valve threw money at Wine+DXVK development and integrated those tools into Steam with Proton.
It's clear at this point that Linux can run all kinds of ganes including modern graphics etc. so virtually all instances of games not working on Linux are the fault of game devs, e.g. they use anti-cheat that blocks Linux or they encode their cutscenes in formats requiring codecs that Valve can't ship with Proton, and all games would work going forward if devs stop doing dumb shit.
Because I actually have work to do
>I'm too busy to take 30 seconds out of my day to run a debloat script
Where the people who complained that Steam doesn't work for 98, 2000 and XP now?
>he thinks windows is the only OS
lmfao
stay buttmad
>he thinks game devs give a shit about making games for gayple and shitnux
kys
Windows 7 was overrated anyways.
just install win11 moron
>"just install gay onto your pc!"
no thanks
If I have to see that eyesore I rather stick with 10
>You have bought a new PC with Windows 11
Nope. Sticking with windows 7 for my old games, on linux with my new games.
It's crazy to me that this is actually a viable option now, as long as you aren't mentally ill enough to like modern multiplayer shit if you told me a decade ago that just some patch would take care of 99% of newer single player games I would've told you that you're full of shit but Microsoft was greedy enough to make it a reality anyways
Yea, Valve is doing great things for linux. I'm glad they actually have a handheld presence in Japan, maybe they'll hook up their fax machines to linux now.
Your money was stolen when you bought games on Steam that don't work withlut Steam. What you did was indefinitely rent games from Steam. You never at any point acquired ownership.
Unless you cracked it, of course.
>Unless you cracked it, of course.
t. dumbass homosexual who doesnt understand shit about computers tries to lord over others
i downloaded every game i bought on steam, its mine, sorry if youre too poor to afford hdd space
You could even backup the entire folder by copying it onto another disk, delete your original, and run the backup copy.
I disabled updates right when I saw the shitty UI update they were pushing out.
Get fricked, Gabe.
just disconnect the pc from the internet on the last day
Fricking morons connecting unsecure OS's to the internet deserve every bit of shame and bullshit that gets thrown their way. You deserve to not only be unable to keep steam installed on your machine, but Valve really should just fricking delete all your games and laugh at you while you cry about it because you're such a moron.
Midwit take.
There are XP users browsing the web using MyPal without problems because guess what, they don't hook up their old landlines directly to the computer, it goes through a rock hard router running linux first.
then run fricking steam directly on Linux you mongoloid.
But anyone on XP isn't playing modern games and they're perfectly content with their library while still browsing the web.
I don't think you understand how insecure software poses a risk to firewalled machines. It's not going to stop a vulnerable web browser that hasn't been maintained for years from requesting and executing malicious web code because all the firewall does for the average home network is ignore unsolicited inbound connections (i.e. active attacks). Then you potentially have a compromised machine inside your network where it can request whatever the hell it wants from the wider internet and poses a direct threat to everything else on the network.
yeah, nah
>"ugh, steam won't work on Windows 7 anymore, uuuugh"
Anon, Windows 10 is fricking free, you can download the fricking ISO on their website, the closest thing to a problem is that your copy of Windows 7 has to be a legitimate one (but that shouldn't be a problem, you have a legit copy of Windows 7, right anon?)
No, I'm using W10 and I'll probably skip W11 entirely unless they fix some of the moronation and add removed features back.
i just got a new pc with win11 and i honestly thought it felt cleaner than win10. after disabling the most annoying things, of course.
lol
windows 10 is literally free
and no, the "activate windows" watermark doesn't bother me at all. It's a badge of honor.
>activate windows" watermark
just DL a simple activate keygen tool and it is gone
Because they turned you into the product.
>the "activate windows" watermark doesn't bother me at all
I spent $2 and have an official lifetime windows license that allowed me to have win10 pro before and win 11 pro now, what kind of Black person are you?
Frick, I really want to beat up everyone who posts screenshots with that watermark.
The world always moves forward. Adapt or be left behind.
>left behind in a utopia
enjoy your hell, homosexual
I'm looking forward to the pearl-clutching of windows 10 users when they EOL in 2 years and games require windows 11 or 12. Oh yes, 12 is releasing next year as a beta.
You can install 10 for free
>"j-just upgrade, anon!"
>you installed a MS israelitechip
>still using this old ass Pluton image
This was debunked as being fake FUD crap.
Not saying it wont ever happen, but as of now that's not real
>This was debunked as being fake FUD crap.
How about YOU prove that it's real? go on, i dare you
how about YOU prove that you're not a homosexual?
oh wait, you defended microshit, that's now impossible
>how about YOU prove that you're not a homosexual?
Easy, go ask your mom why her butthole is prolapsing today
Click more info and I've never had that happen to me with windows 11.
>posting lies on the internet
why?
>"m-microsoft never lies! trust them!"
>some random michealsoft dude say it so it must be true
he's just a moron, michaelsoft never officially said win10 would be the last version
>"m-microsoft know what they're doing! trust them!"
anon pls, come up with recent shit, not this old stuff from 2015-2016 era when LTSC was first shilled as the go-to windows 10
Here have something from Microsoft's closest partner
>"i-intel steal your data, so its fine if microsoft do it too!"
>THE WAR ON AMERICA
>TREASON WITH COMMUNIST CHINA
lmao
>2 years ago
Come on now. Pic related. Get with the program, updoot your articles.
>treason with communist china
does anyone other than 80 year old brainwashed boomers actually read this shit? jesus
Let me guess, you use Windows 7 instead of Linux?
I'm so fricking glad proton is where it is right now. Not only does KDE Plasma give me a customizable experience I've wanted out of a computer again since fricking windows XP, but I'm just generally happier on linux now that I know a majority of my games "just work" and I don't have that anxiety of microsoft just forcing a shitty update on me. It reminds me of putting custom firmware on my old PSP to make it a better platform than it is if you just simply used regular firmware.
I know this makes a certain group of windows purists very angry for some reason that I'm actually happy with a decision to do something that they don't have to however.
>KDE Plasma
The best for GUI customization if you don't want to dig too deep into the source code with actual programming. I haven't seen anything else like it that lets you edit your GUI so well.
tl;dr
wtf is that image saying
Microsoft is an utterly incompetent bureaucracy.
Windows is an utter shitshow basically no matter the version.
It will only get worse.
Only the biggest morons believe anyone at microsoft know what they're doing but you are not allowed to discuss that just like leaked emails from microsoft vs sony ABK case which shoull've caused a shitstorm
>Phil the head of Xbox sending out emails literally saying shit like "someone anyone come up with an idea how to bring people back to us I don't know know what to do anymore"
How the frick is he still allowed to be there
I have been using Windows 11 for 2 years already.
It's fricking garbage
Late Win10 was very good, I still miss it.
It's like mandatory pajets, diversity quota Black folk, and troons don't even know what to do with windows anymore. They just make changes for the sake of changes that ruin shit and cause A LOT of bugs.
For example, win11 STILL HAS A BUG TO THIS DAY THAT THEY INTRODUCED ALMOST A YEAR AGO. The bug that causes the explorer window to suddenly pop up in your face. 10 updates later, they still haven't fixed it.
It's all so fricking raw and shit, I can't even...
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
Revert to win10 ltsc iot, it still has several years of support. Ganker has a guide for debloating it and activating it for free, so all you need is the .iso on a flash drive. Or better yet, install an actual good OS
Sorry man, I just want to be a normie in that respect, I'm too lazy.
That's why I eat this slop and complain without trying to do anything.
Imagine still using windows 7 lmao, are you fricking brown people or something?
>are you fricking brown people
yeah i fricked your mom LMAO
>tries to inject racial shit to deflect
>Not using VLC
You get what you deserve, moron
Cases like these is why you backup the games you bought (or didnt buy) and get games that do NOT depend on Steam or any other DRM crap.
No Steam? not my problem
>money stolen
Who even uses this shitty windows 7 OS? It's the 4th worst OS. Best OS is windows 10 by a landmile followed by windows 11. 7 has nothing going for it, if you're gonna use an obsolete OS, use windows xp instead.
the frick
reminder Valve will spend billions getting games to jankily work with shitnux but cant be assed to make a client work on windows 7 with at least 100x more users
>100x more users
Those who still use win7 (brownoids) don't buy games LMAO
They have no control over what microsoft does to their OS, like, say, moving it over to the cloud, which microsoft has openly stated they want to do. If something is open source and run locally, then they aren't at the whims of microsoft. That's why they do what they do with linux. They should start prepping a chromium alternative too honestly since that's part of the reason 7 won't work anymore, electron is a piece of shit and manifest v3 has some big issues for end users.
>They should start prepping a chromium alternative
The reason why almost every web browser is chromium is because developing a browser is an inhuman amount of work. Harder than developing Proton.
The best time to start attempting it is now, so that in a decade we might be free from google's bullshit.
If you told me 10 years ago that I'd be able to play any game I wanted on linux minus those with anticheat that isn't enabled (which I don't play on windows anyway) then I'd have said that was impossible too. Look where we are. I hated linux back in 2013, now I think it's legitimately better than windows.
Yeah but why would Valve do it? Proton is part of their core business, but becoming a browser company would be a massive pivot. Even Mozilla, who's entire job is browsers, can't figure out a way to monetize them, so I don't see Valve cracking that one. It would be easier for them to port the whole store and community to something like QtQuick.
>Yeah but why would Valve do it?
Because steam runs on chromium now. One of the main reasons they have to deprecate windows 7 support is because the latest version of chromium doesn't work on 7. If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore, all their work on proton goes to waste.
>If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore, all their work on proton goes to waste.
For what it's worth, this isn't very likely. ChromeOS is Linux, plenty of Google devs use Linux internally, and there are commercial interests in Chromium on Linux other than Valve, like for smart signage and in-vehicle entertainment systems.
> If google just decides they don't want chromium to work on linux anymore
Will unironically never happen
Not to mention that both Google and MS are heavily invested into Linux themselves.
Hell, many MS developers use Linux internally cause its easier to work with than their broken ass Windows platforms.
Google and MS need Linux in order to operate.
I remember an "article" from some years ago, that stated a lot of MS developpers used a Mac, because macos is that much better than windows for development, and the managers were not happy about it, so they tried to convince people to switch by giving surfaces for free.
did you read that on apple.com?
He's at least right about development.
Trying to code big projects on windows sucks balls.
I eventually just started running a Mint VM for my stuff, which causes its own problems but at least I have a real command line.
Not him but there is a reason why basically every emulator gets made on Linux and later ported to Windows.
Everyone who is serious about software development tries avoiding developing shit on Windows.
Valve will have frick you money no matter what they do. Makes sense for them to focus on long term goals like toppling Microsoft's vidya monopoly over short term goals like getting the most possible users.
>with at least 100x more users
Windows doesn't even have 100x more users if you count every version.
Valve is a software company. Of course they're going to support Linux because most of their devs probably favor it. They also literally have their own Linux-based OS called SteamOS.
Why the frick wouldn't they support Linux?
>worse OS
But why? Even windows 11 is better. Seriously, stop being paranoid, MS doesn't give a frick about your CP collection. Just don't put it in onedrive like a moron lmao.
Windows XP is better than your shitty zoomer OS.
Explain how 7 is better than XP?
Stop spamming stupid Black person
well done anon
case in point
kek
gross
>refuses to elaborate
>spams the same image over and over
>n-no!! you cant keep spamming
>spams anyway
Kek, i'm thinking based
Win7 anons, you should be able to finish your backlog in 129 days.
Right?
Realistically, what will happen is I just never update steam?
I mean I will be still using the version that uses windows 7
That's what I want to find out too. I'd be very happy if the steam.cfg fix I implemented wasn't needed at all. Worst case scenario? Not being able to login on the client.
How dare they not support windows 95 either those lazy Black folk. I better concern troll about that as well.
by the way i hope this thread remembers that half of youtube's videos are getting deleted in December
hope you've backed up your favorite Lets Plays and archived VODs from people who've died or quit the platform
I felt like a schizo for sticking with 7 like 10 years ago. there is no excuse now. it is also fugly and lacks useful features
I have W11 and, for me, 11>10>7>>>xp>>>>
In terms of my experience.
>11>10>7>>>xp
have a nice day
That's just you getting older and becoming more familiar with computers. 11 and 10 are dogshit compared to 7. 7 is basically just a refined XP. 10 and up is just injecting cancer into it and changing shit for no reason beyond saying there's a change to try and justify making a new OS, when the cancer under the hood is the real reason.
You can upgrade to 10 for free caveanon
>"i trust microsoft with my dat-ACK"
that's not how theft works and you could always use proton you sack of shit.
reminder, microsoft shills are real, they ARE here
>microsoft shills are real
Of course they are. Everyone who's spent more than five minutes on Ganker knows this.
there's about a 2% chance that this is actual shilling and a 98% chance that this is someone just fricking around for a meme
my pc still had the free windows 10 upgrade available but one day the windows 7 install broke and now i might need to reinstall it, would i lose the activated digital licence if i did? it came with the pc, so no code or key or anything
please answer
download the free win10 from microshite
i csnt i literally just said my windows 7 broke
cant get past the initiating windows screen where the colored lights make the windows logo
tried external repair with an usb but it didnt fix it so onky option is to reinstall windows 7 but the question is if i lose the activation since it was a digital license and was included with the pc which was pre-activated so there's no key or anything
how hte frick are you posting son
He's on his nokia phone m8. Thing's a brick but it werks.
if that's true the dumb motherfricker can d/l and install systemrescuedisk to a usb and boot of that, download the le free windows 10 and then boot off the usb into windows 10 install
someone please give me a full answer
do i lose my activation digital license if i reinstall windows 7 through a bootable usb
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO MAKE UPDATES ON MY OUTDATED OPERATING SYSTEM
called it
microshit are liars, dont trust them
>called it
but windows 10 isn't free and neither is 11?
windows 7 propaganda is still microshill propaganda
Update to W*ndows 10 or install GNU/Linux.
And now Denuvo is going to spread to Nintendo Switch / Switch 2 very very soon and confirmed today. It's all so tiresome for people who really want to preserve shit down the line.
What a timeline we live in huh
Windows 95 bros... it's freakin' over....
Only pedophiles still use Windows 7, this is a known fact.
Do people unironically use Windows?
>do people unironically use the O/S that almost everyone uses
no anon, everyone uses Linux
>people are too stupid to follow this guide
https://rentry.org/fwt
thanks
The only people still sticking with Windows 7 at this point are
>third worlders too poor to get a win 10-compatable pc
>idiots paranoid about security that think win 7 never tracks anything and are too dumb to swap over to linux
Both of them are morons and their opinions do not matter.
you sound jealous
That's not quite true, i have no shortage of money and i'm not concerned with security, i just can't be assed to bother going through the hassle of upgrading until i decide to build a new PC, and nothing has come out in a decade that makes me feel like that's worth doing.
>there are people on this board still using 14 year old system
>same people probably adapted W7 like 7 years ago because they didn't want to leave XP
Microsoft will reveal Win12 later this year.
Their first fully cloud-OS.
Upgrading from 11 to 12 will be mandatory.
>cloud-OS
how do you even do that
Moving everything except for a verify/login system which connects you to their cloud systems into the cloud.
You will still need a harddrive for this for now but in the future hard drivers in general will be obsolete as this can easily be put on memory within your system itself.
Need more space? Upgrade from Windows Basic to the premium plan. Get access to more stuff right away with a simple use of your credit card.
It's a funny idea, but no company would ever want to move to that model when the current one lets them offload a lion's share of the energy and performance costs to the customer.
A Cloud OS means Microsoft has to buy millions of $2000 rigs, instead of the current system where the public will buy those $2000 rigs themselves.
Nah, they will buy a ton of shitty rigs that can run a bunch of virtual desktops at shitty performance. You will pay for this on a monthly base because no other option exists anymore.
I just hope they roll out 12 and it's good before 10 bites the dust.
I really don't want to switch to 11, please let it die as the Windows 8 of today.
Dear W7trannies, why didn't you learn how to game on linux yet?
You had a decade to do that
Despite all the shilling about how it's different and easier now, Linux is still garbage so anyone who doesn't want to switch to newer Windows will have the same issues with Linux on top of a whole heap of garbage that comes with everything being made for Windows.
>install Nobara
>double-click .exe
>it opens and runs perfectly
Why did you all tell me this was hard?
well met, nobarafriend.
the day GE stops updating nobara, eventually forcing me to distrohop once again will be a sad day.
huh, this nobara thing seems neat, t'least from what the site is saying
would you say it's linux-noob friendly?
GE has done a decent job keeping nobara noob-friendly, but if you do things like download shit off github you're probably still gonna need to do some google searching at some point as you will find that most linux guides online cater to ubuntu and arch users.
it does set up a whole ton of useful stuff out of the box and does have a good guide on startup for misc. stuff you might want to install.
>It will auto install your codecs and graphics card drivers
oh that sounds very nice. I'll make sure to keep a link to a download for this distro somewhere for the future when i scrape enough for a new PC, thanks anons
nope
If you do plan to build around linux, keep in mind that Wayland, despite being standard in RedHat distros for almost 8 years now, still refuses to play nice with Nvidea. You will eliminate half of your inevitable issues by going with an AMD card.
As with every linux distro, you'll be presented with a list of challenges unique to you and you alone, but Nobara is likely the easiest way to get your foot in the door right now.
It will auto install your codecs and graphics card drivers but there will always be a couple snags included with that. For example: The Nvidea drivers included only worked with 900 series or newer cards. Installing Nobara on a 700 series card will result in massive headaches. ask me how I know. Another thing is that browser hardware acceleration will not work out of the box and appears to conflict with the codecs they provide.
>Installing Nobara on a 700 series card will result in massive headaches.
To be fair, novideo are massive dicks for dropping support for Kepler despite its Vulkan capability. Even if you install the legacy drivers you won't get Vulkan 1.3 which means no modern DXVK for you.
>Nobara
every fricking month there's a new "le noob friendly" linux distro which of course turns out to not be noob friendly because linux is actually a mess with a million different people doing a million different things and shit WILL break and you will have to do random config editing and log file fishing to figure out how to fix it
Last time I gave linux a serious shot my entire desktop was locked at 60hz because I have a 60hz secondary monitor, making my computer feel like shit. After a day and a half of troubleshooting, the conclusion was that there is no fix for it.
Linux is a meme for people who have a troubleshooting fetish. There's not even the excuse of needing it for dev workflow because you can just use WSL.
>Last time I gave linux a serious shot my entire desktop was locked at 60hz because I have a 60hz secondary monitor, making my computer feel like shit. After a day and a half of troubleshooting, the conclusion was that there is no fix for it.
just use wayland, bro
wayland didn't work at all and at that point I didn't feel like troubleshooting anymore and just went back to windows.
It's always something. The time before that I had an issue where the desktop would take 3-5 minutes to load. Before that my ethernet adapter wouldn't get detected about half the reboots.
It's just always fricking something and for that reason alone linux is shit for anyone without a troubleshooting/ricing fetish.
ah well, all works fine out of the box on my current PC but i won't even pretend that's been my experience when trying different distros out on other hardware earlier.
If it works for you I'm genuinely happy for you but I'm also pretty confident that something major will break sooner or later for you and you'll be lost in troubleshooting hell
>every fricking month there's a new "le noob friendly" linux distro which of course turns out to not be noob friendly because linux is actually a mess with a million different people doing a million different things and shit WILL break and you will have to do random config editing and log file fishing to figure out how to fix it
People really should stop falling for these meme "distros" that are essentially just a couple of tweaks applied in advance. It's like if people were distributing a dozen different Windows .isos all with a different debloating script that runs during installation and then calling it their own version of Windows.
>It's like if people were distributing a dozen different Windows .isos all with a different debloating script that runs during installation and then calling it their own version of Windows.
but people are doing that lmao
Why not just stick to Win 7 but also have a Steam Deck on the side? There aren't any truly good modern games that are worth making the switch over.
Actually, I use Win10 since 7 years now and still installed 10 on new PC few months ago, despite it using 13th gen Intel CPU, which int heory shouldn't work on 10 properly because "muh e cores".
I play a lot of old games and they don't run on win10
I will switch to win10 the second gay ben buys me a new PC
THE FEW
THE PROUD
>1.31%
>half will be poorgays while the other half are the autists making these threads
lmao
So when are they dropping mac support?
>poorgay pirates getting reckt
Good.
>Bought
If you can't install windows yourself you need to go back on your snoy garbage.
I'm on Windows 10 and it seems fine. Do I need 11?
Aside from the UI being slightly snappier, no changes that I noticed.
11 makes 10 look like 7. There is absolutely no reason to downgrade until they hold a gun to your head.
I'm glad Microsoft seems to know how fricking horrible Windows 8 and 8.1 were. I stayed on 7 for a long ass time, but 10 has been great. As long as 10 is fine I think I'll skip 11 as well.
Pcbros why can't I use windows 98 to watch YouTube anymore? It's not fair
Anons, what do you think of windows 10 ameliorated?
>windows 10 ameliorated
>I don't trust ms because of le spyware
>hmmm yes I will install this random guy's iso
you're a fricking moron and you deserve to have your banking information stolen
The fact that theres such a hard, inorganic pushback against staying on win 7 in these threads really tells you all you need to know.
Stop crying and pirate all your games as backups since you already own their licenses, moron.
Also stop using obsolete software.
if being a troony means i will not have to deal with stupid shit like pic related, i'll be glad to start the treatment.
it has been 6 uyears now, and i'm really happy to be a girl (male)
>i will not have to deal with stupid shit like pic related
you can disable or circumvent literally everything in that picture
>uninstall edge
>don't sign in to begin with
>replace start menu with startallback
>disable widgets and notifications
>install old solitaire
that was like 15 whole minutes of effort, horrible
oh shit you're telling me i'll have to install some scripts and frick to have an usable operating system? yea i should just use linux at this point pesky chill
>I'm moronic
Thanks for admitting it
>"uurh durh you're moronic, here's my proff uuurrhhhh"
stfu homosexual
None of that requires a script it just requires you not to be more tech illiterate than zoomers
>"yur moar illiterate than otherz urrh"
yea show me homosexual, you talk a lot but don't bring anything on the table.
show you what? I told you exactly what you needed to do and none of those things require a script
you did nothing stfu you fricking homosexual, you're good at telling others what to do but you don't shit about what you're talking, you're all talk and nothing more. go fricking killyourself holy shit you stupid c**t
>Waaaaaaaaaah spoonfeed me
At least zoomers know how to use Google.
>install some scripts
no?
>thinks that pressing a couple of uninstall buttons for 3 minutes is too big of a task to have a usable system
>decides to install and use linux
You don't even know what you're in for lmao
Running shady scripts found on GitHub is step 0 for a Windows install these days.
What scripts?
Are you fricking moronic? Theres an uninstall button on each bloatware app, dumbass
>Theres an uninstall button on each bloatware app
This anon is telling the truth. Look at that Uninstall button.
>install some scripts
>Install
>Scripts
Holy shit I didn't know zoomers were actually this tech illiterate
>Imagine using Windows in 2023
>Imaging using an obsolete version of Windows in 2023
lmao
>turn off updates
>keep using it anyway
>morons don't know that they turned off the ability to set up W11 without a microsoft account
>have to open up the command line and enter a specific code to unlock it again, something that no regular user is going to do
>Put [email protected] into the email bar and bang fist on keyboard a few times
>Microsoft fails to find the account and let's you set up an offline one
There's no way you're white
No longer works with 22H2. You are now required to have an internet connection before you can proceed with set up.
To get the pre-22H2 setup you need to open a command promt and type OOBEBYPASSNRO. It will then reboot into the old version.
post hand.
>smart enough to see Microsoft fricking you in the ass
>too stupid to install Linux
Must be hell.
>Microsoft fricking you in the ass
is microsoft fricking me? because right now I have a fully functional OS with very little effort, something that's impossible on linux.
>>too stupid to install Linux
you're not smart because you use linux, you just have a troubleshooting fetish
>you're not smart because you use linux, you just have a troubleshooting fetish
DIfferent anon. Id rather deal with troubleshooting than with MS nonsense..
> You probably use tons of spyware on your PC anyway.
You probably already use spyware bro so just get more spyware bro.
>MS nonsense..
what MS nonsense? Again, I have a fully functional OS with minimal effort. What should I be aware of that actually affects me?
>MS nonsense..
Dont know about you but all those years of constant:
>Bro just update your PC bro
>Bro just add MS account bro
>Bro just add your mobile number bro
>Bro just use edge bro
>Bro just use MS store instead of .exe to get programs bro.
>Bro just sell your soul to MS and worship Gates bro.
That shit pissed me off and was one of the big reasons I switched over.
Yeah Winaerotweaker exists but I learned of it when I already had linux. Troubleshooting is preferable than using MS and even then I had to do bunch of troubleshooting on MS.
>Yeah, unironically. It all gets routed to the same two companies anyway.
While I agree that halfmeasuring is stupid, but when it comes to privacy even halfmeasure is better than doing nothing imo.
you literally don't have to do any of those things. are you really so moronic that if an advertisement tells you to do something you immediately do it or something?
>Yeah Winaerotweaker exists but I learned of it when I already had linux.
>I had a problem and instead of looking for a solution I just ripped out my entire OS
you're a subhuman moron.
>even then I had to do bunch of troubleshooting on MS.
hard fricking cope
Except you do have to.
I was setting up Win10 on a pc about a year ago.
The only way I could set it up without adding an account/mobile number was to not give installed internet access. And even after the install it would still beg for those shits once the pc got internet connection. It only stopped doing so after winaerotweaker was used to disable it.
Also unlike some morons I wouldnt just completely ditch the OS because I dont like change.
But windows has pissed me off so much that I decided to do it.
>It only stopped doing so after winaerotweaker was used to disable it.
So you had a problem and then you used a very simple solution that was 1 google search away?
That pissed you off so much that you just decided to switch to an inferior os? what are you even talking about right now lmao
The guy thinks you're forced to use Edge and the MS Store. He's just lying about an experience he never had. He runs a potato with a 4 generation old GPU and 8GB RAM.
No, you just make an offline account. I’ve installed win10 with an Ethernet plugged in as recently as a few months ago, it’s the same as it always was. They do try to steer you towards making an account but you just click no and that’s it
MS account is more secure, doe. You can do PIN/fingerprint/picture entry, which only works locally, so if by some weird chance you get a keylogger, your system password won't be compromised.
I've heard of things mentioned like Dead Space original (runs fine here) and I don't know of any.
>You probably already use spyware bro so just get more spyware bro.
Yeah, unironically. It all gets routed to the same two companies anyway. For example, what's the point of using a spyware free browser if Microsoft already collects tons of your browsing data and data about basically any other thing you do on your PC? Just fricking use Edge and Bing at this point.
If you genuinely give a shit about privacy, stop using half measures, use Linux and avoid spyware like Google or basically 80% of software that exists. But that would be too hard right?
>something that no regular user is going to do
why the FRICK would I ever give a shit about what a regular user is going to do? You think I should use a different OS because the average user is a moronic monkey with no problem solving skills?
i shop only from GOG
>dad constantly complain about steam lagging
>check his laptop
>nothing wrong with it and it's relatively good for a laptop
>move a mouse around steam menus
>CPU instantly jump to 100% use
>meanwhile releases box still looks like this
I don't know what kind of pajeets they hired to do this but Jesus Christ not even Epic store is this shit.
my brother in Christ
How old is your dads pc?
Around 2yo but it's not the issue with hardware, all chrome based browsers shit themselves when you put your pc to sleep instead turning it off, which is something laptop users do constantly.
Teach your dad to exit steam when he isn't using it, like a non-savage.
If I see windows 7 on a computer in 2-3 years I will kill the millennial that has it.
>download pirated windows game on linux
>add as non-steam game
>steam plays it perfectly with no objections
thank you gabe!
It just works until it doesn't according to Winjeets.
Black person what's stopping you from upgrading to windows 8.1 or 10, genuinely?
8.1 is also getting dropped
they are all inferior to 7, moron. your question has no relevance.
>inferior to 7
Inferior how? like, they can actually run software in 2023?
Actual question to people who still use Windows 7, what the frick do you do on your PC's aside from browsing the internet? Half of new software doesn't even fricking work or barely does, do you even get GPU driver updates?
Do you work on your PC's?
inferior as in, if companies still supported 7, there would be no reason whatsoever to migrate. you are basically admitting that the only reason to move is because you're forced to for artificial compatibility reasons.
>Actual question to people who still use Windows 7, what the frick do you do on your PC's aside from browsing the internet?
AMP stack test server / webapp development
Native app development
photo/video processing
spreadsheets
streaming
packet sniffing
piracy without ms looking over my shoulder
>Half of new software doesn't even fricking work or barely does, do you even get GPU driver updates?
fun fact: GPU updates don't really do anything unless they were buggy to begin with. it's a placebo just like your OS updates. the only new software that doesn't work on 7 are games, and most of the new ones are shit. if i really want to play one i can get a PS5, but i'm old enough that i don't give a shit about fomo
>Do you work on your PC's?
see above, i graduated with a bachelor's in CS. i also still have a 16:10 monitor, because i didn't believe the 16:9 hype, and i was right about that too. most games actually support 16:10 just fine unless the devs are little b***hes that force black bars to make it 16:9 to "balance" it for the suckers who actually bought into a shitty aspect ratio designed for blu-ray players. god you people are so dumb, i wish you had the IQ to understand computers.
>GPU updates don't really do anything unless they were buggy to begin with.
that's fricking moronic. I'm disregarding your entire post solely because of how moronic this sentence is. I don't even have to explain why it's moronic because you already admitted that new games don't work. spoiler: it's because of the API extensions that are in the driver updates. You fricking moron.
>piracy without ms looking over my shoulder
?????
take some pills holy frick
IRC IS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
>2023
>skype is dead
>slack is popular for business and discord is popular for consumers
>both are proprietary systems patterned after IRC
yeah, so now you have IRC but need an account for each service and some corpo spying on your comms. fricking told you morons.
It's funny that Windows 7 is kept on life support by Linux.
>local Library had windows XP on all their computers until 2014
>A year after upgrading every PC to windows 7 they immediately upgrade to windows 10
Microsoft-sama... I kneel....
I have no plans to update.
On windows 8.1
I'll just stop buying games I think.
Steam rose because it solved a service issue. Ironic it will die because of a service issue.
>Steam will die because less than 1.5% of its userbase fricks off
I'd believe it.
Cascading effect. Won't happen immediately, will be gradual. And arguably already happened.
Also I and most people never did the surveys.
Third worlders with outdated pcs will also get dropped.
The cascading effect already happened. Linux has individually surpassed OSX and Windows 7+64 bit+8.1 combined.
As for not doing surveys, this logic was also applied to Linux yet here it is climbing the chart.
The cascading effect will be the result of multiple factors.
Disagree with the linux and survey likelihood though, I don't see a connection.
People migrate to linux because they no longer feel worth it to pay for official windows+the win7/8 time running out, but a subset of the people on win7/8 won't migrate or update, they'll just stop using steam, as it becomes less convenient.
By cascading effect I mean people will find fewer reasons to game at all when it becomes more prohibitive. People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal which will be another discouraging factor.
Overall a dumb decision by nuValve.
Meant for
>People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal
Not only do native Linux versions generally not run worse, but running Windows games under Proton regularly performs better.
Enjoy your abysmal 1% lows, bro.
the 1% lows are fine after shader compilation is done
Not him, but you're just illustrating more prohibitiveness. Realistically average joe isn't going to go to such lengths.
they're not going to go to such lengths as playing the game normally for 10 minutes? what?
>spend hours tweaking to play 10 minutes
You said my point for me.
The people that moved on are mostly laptops that came bundled with w10..
hours tweaking to play 10 minutes
the frick are you talking about? you don't have to tweak anything, shader compilation just happens and then the 1% lows are fine.
>By cascading effect I mean people will find fewer reasons to game at all when it becomes more prohibitive.
but it's not becoming prohibitive. This is moronic. Again, 1.5% of people use win7. Nothing is becoming prohibitive and upgrading to win7 is absolutely trivial.
You're acting like valve is randomly axing half their userbase or some shit.
>People migrating to linux might stop buying games when they discover performance isn't as optimal which will be another discouraging factor.
people spend hundreds of dollars on their gaymen pcs and don't do much on them besides vidya. You think they're gonna go "oh I guess I'll just throw my pc in the trash because the performance is slightly worse"
No one but enthusiasts are migrating to linux in the first place.
>Overall a dumb decision by nuValve.
It's a perfectly rational decision. You're just moronic. You can't expect them to support an ancient OS used by almost no one. That's a huge waste of resources.
>No one but trannies are migrating to linux in the first place.
ftfy. Don't forget Emily.
Cope all you like, it's a nail in the coffin.
Old valve would have done something like release a barebones client that's even further backwards compatible from 7.
Old Valve killed 9x, 2000, XP, and Vista support before.
Those were back when the client itself was still shit fatigues green and people hadn't adopted it full time yet. The steam sales heyday were windows 7/8 era.
Cope. They did it and that's all that matters.
>The steam sales heyday were windows 7/8 era.
How is this relevant? People have moved on, at least 98% of them have.
>Cope all you like, it's a nail in the coffin.
It's really not. Anyone with a brain is just going to upgrade to 10 because it's not that different from 7
>Old valve would have done something like release a barebones client that's even further backwards compatible from 7.
are you moronic? They've already killed support for every windows up to 7 and guess what? nothing happened. Because people just move on and install the new OS.
Why the frick would they ever spend any dev resources on maintaining a client for less than 2% of their userbase that chooses to use an dead unsupported OS?
>Anyone with a brain is just going to upgrade to 10
No one is upgrading hardware to support more demanding software in this economy. People might move to deck or consoles.
>They've already killed support for every windows up to 7
Steam's rise occurred during windows 7.
No one cared before because no one cared about steam before, begrudgingly used for cs prior.
>No one is upgrading hardware to support more demanding software in this economy.
people are upgrading hardware regardless to play new games. The average steam user has a 6 core and an rtx 3060. Windows 10 isn't demanding either, any CPU in the last 12 years will work just fine.
If you buy any CPU made from ~2016 onwards you can't even install windows 7 if you wanted to without some silly workarounds.
>Steam's rise occurred during windows 7.
And yet, now it's less than 2% of the userbase. Even if that entire 2% of people never touch a videogame again as a direct result of this, it will have no effect on steam at large.
nothing lasts forever. are you scared, pussy?
get over it, move on, and kick the next softwares bloated ass.
16:10 is for people too stupid to move or hide their taskbar.
>running 7 is asking for malwares
>11 is just 10 but better
Why is this a problem?
I don't get it. Do you people seethe when things stop working on windows 98 as well? Just move on
Some people did sure, but it made less sense back then. I was happy to move from windows 98 to windows 2000. I got more features, access to more software, and it didn't make my experience of using my PC worse. This is alien to zoomers but there was a time where we had an optimistic outlook on the future of technology because it offered us more that benefitted US and not microsoft than
>"You have to upgrade because... WELL YOU JUST DO, OKAY!? Why don't you want a less optimized, more inconvenient version of what you were using already?"
Every OS upgrade after XP has felt like a downgrade not an upgrade except for 7 which was better than Vista, 10 was already bad, 11 is even worse, 8 was so fricking awful that people pretend it doesn't exist.
I'm still using Windows 95 and so should you. Stay cucked I guess.
>there are "people" who only use 7 because 4chin told them to 10 years ago
>they're afraid to upgrade because they think they'll get bullied on 4chin for it
>they get bullied for not upgrading
>Pajeets piss and shit themselves when they see a machine with Windows 7
You love to see it
>Pajeets don't run a 14 year old OS
>I do
>I'm trying to spin that in a way that's positive.
>windows 7
True chads still use windows Me
Narcissistic fricks.
Why do some people still use Win7? They rebelled against Microsoft, but don't have the balls to use Linux?
Win 7 is an amazing OS
and some people just dont like change at all.
Honestly if my PC did not came with win10 I wouldve installed 7 on it in a heart beat.
Cause it's a good OS. Better than 8 and more stable than 10.
10 is not 8.1 bad, and 11 doesn't seem like a big upgrade, but for some reason my PC couldn't handle it until recently.
Eh, you get what you paid for.
Why are you using zoomer OS instead of chad 9x?
As much as Steam users are moronic do people really expect support for 14 year old software?
>doesn't have a 4090
ngmi
Windows 7 with windows 10 VM.
Linux doesn't support PS and CSP at all, why would I use it?
Not to mention the majority of old games shit the bed under it and don't work at all.
It doesn't support what?
>have latest windows for modern games
>partition a bit for windows xp for older games
Wow, I'm a fricking genius
a bit for windows xp for older games
why? Every game I've tried runs fine on win 10
I like xp
>i hate microsoft so i wont update to 10!
>but also i refuse to move to another OS!!!
Was it autism?
I'm convinced that everyone crying about this is too moronic to update their windows
The people who still use 7 are psuedo-intellectuals who go with the niche internet forum hipster opinion. 8.1 is factually better in every way if you want to stay off 10.
>muh bloatware applets!
Uninstall them.
>muh start menu!
Install classic shell.
It's amazing how the poors have no self awareness as they try to mock people who have better.
>YOU PAJEET STREET SHITTERS AND YOUR 4090s AND 13900s RUNNING WINDOWS 11
>I'M A PROUD WHITE MAN RUNNING WINDOWS 95 ON A PENTIUM 2 WITH A S3 VIRGE
or
>YOU FRICKING israeliteS SPENDING MONEY ON GOOD HARDWARE
>I PENNY PINCH AND AM STINGY LIKE A GENTILE
Why do oldtroons insist on running on obsolete OS? Do they just do this to cling onto something to prevent ending their failed miserable lives?
>muh obsolete
>actually you can play more games worth playing just fine (since newer windows can't play some older games, which are typically better), you just can't run some bullshit chromium bloat pushed onto the steam store
Yea no thanks. If they had some legit reason to shed w7/8 support I'd accept it. Chromium garbage smells like google meddling, and we all know which direction google is headed with their search engine.
Stuoid decision to couple their cloent with chromium, for nongaming reasons. Guess we know who's eyeing to buy valve when gabe kicks it.
What games can you play on 7 that you can't play on 11?
Old nonremastered point and clicks for me.
Someone had a full list when w10 came out.
>since newer windows can't play some older games, which are typically better
name one singular game that doesn't run on windows 10.
>If they had some legit reason to shed w7/8 support I'd accept it.
the reason is that it's an insecure, unsupported OS that's used by almost no users. it's a waste of resources to support it.
>Chromium garbage smells like google meddling
are you fricking moronic? steam has had chromium since like 2012. The fact that you saw it had chromium and instantly jumped to some autistic corporate conspiracy shows me how absolutely melted your brain is.
>name one singular game that doesn't run on windows 10.
A lot, cbf to pull up the list and not near my desktop. Even soul reaver takes a bunch of work to run and it's mainstream.
>the reason is that it's an insecure, unsupported OS t
A pc being unsecure is none of valve's business. They distribute games. Leave security to others.
>Even soul reaver takes a bunch of work to run and it's mainstream.
you just apply one patch and you're done and that game is 24 years old. Most games that are that old are going to require fixes on modern hw regardless of your OS.
>A pc being unsecure is none of valve's business.
First, yes it is because if people's shit gets haxed and their hats stolen then valve has to deal with it.
There is just no incentive to support an OS that almost nobody uses that nobody has any real reason to use
>First, yes it is because if people's shit gets haxed and their hats stolen then valve has to deal with it.
Which is a dishonest argument anyway since people getting phished isn't os dependent and is happening more on w10 guaranteed percentage wise than on w7/8.
>people getting phished isn't os dependent
it is if you're using an OS with known unpatched exploits.
Again, there is just no reason to support it. It's obvious because you can't come up with one and instead you're just sperging out because I called it insecure.
Learn what phishing is. It's voluntarily giving up your credentials.
Furthermore, one of the main ways of hacking nowadays is using authenticated login files, which is how Linus Tech Tips YouTube got "hacked", and he was definitely on w10/11 whatever. Again, os independent. Stupid excuse, doesn't reflect reality.
>clings to one word instead of addressing the whole argument
you are the worst kind of moronic Black person on internet forums and I sincerely hope you slit your wrists
>he says as he ignored the second half of my post
Hypocrite
your post is moronic. just because you can get hacked on windows 10 doesn't make windows 7 secure. And even if windows 7 wasn't insecure, it's still a dead OS with no incentive to keep supporting it.
Point to what specifically is more secure witj regards to running steam. Nothing. It's all fantasy. Been using 7 amd 8 since their release, not a single virus.
I genuinely do not give a frick enough to argue with you about the security merits of windows 7 because it's not even relevant to my argument. it could be the most secure OS in the world and it would still not make sense to keep supporting it.
It's a bullshit argument to begin with. Not even Microsoft is dropping it really for "security reasons" in the sense that it's less secure, but so it can free up engineers to develop other things, let alone valve believing something like this (they are against Microsoft to begin with since gabe an exmicrosoft employee hates it).
Ain't nobody writing viruses for windows 95 anymore.
security is not the main reason I listed. Why are you so fixated on it?
Your argument is
>we should drop it because... It's OLD
Even though games can download and install and run on it just fine.
no, they should drop it because supporting it is a waste of time and money. There is no reason to support something so few people use and that has a direct successor.
The whole reason w7/8 is being dropped is because of a chromium requirement. It doesn't matter if steam had chromium before, it didn't have such a requirement then.
Again old valve would have dropped it's chromium dependency once it had this new requirement instead of offloading the problem to the userbase.
Nail in the coffin. Not the final nail, but all of a sudden other clients are looking less bad.
>Again old valve would have dropped it's chromium dependency once it had this new requirement instead of offloading the problem to the userbase.
And I guess they should just never update the client in any way so that people using ancient software who refuse to update for no particular reason can use it?
>Nail in the coffin.
Why do you keep saying this? It's less than 2%. Nobody cares. This will affect virtually no one other than a couple autists who refuse to upgrade their systems.
>And I guess they should just never update the client in any way so that people using ancient software who refuse to update for no particular reason can use it?
Duh. The process of distributing games relies on some of the oldest technology ever that even ancient computers could perform - downloading files off the internet and installing them onto the hard disk. It's about as complex as a wget and less complex than ffmpeg which runs on even older software.
It's basic brainless function. The only reason they're updating the requirements is because of superficial auxiliary bloat - their store somehow needs chromium to dispay their fancy images to advertise games, which is a bullshit corporate reason, you know it, I know it.
Nail in the coffin.
steam is more than just a client to download game files though, whether you like it or not.
>Nail in the coffin.
I would really love to hear your schizo explanation how losing 2% of your userbase (worst case scenario) will affect steam in any way at all.
>steam is more than just a client to download game files though, whether you like it or not.
>omg it takes so much tech to download gifs to advertise games and run a payment platform older than sin
Nah I reject your premise.
if you ask the average steam user what they like about steam their answer won't be "it lets me download my games", because the client is more than that.
are you genuinely incapable of understanding that new features require newer technologies?
>because the client is more than that.
No one for a minute is fooled by all the bloated fluff that steam has added to the client over the years, least of all the average steam user (private profile, doesn't use any of the community/social shit). They use steam for pure utility and convenience (which this update is an attack on).
The people with elaborate tranime profiles and long walls of text are the vast minority.
>the average steam user (private profile, doesn't use any of the community/social shit)
that is very far from the average steam user. You're completely disconnected from reality.
The average steam user might not have a riced out profile but they absolute do use things like achievements, guides, look at community posts and definitely enjoy having a fancy library view. If you look at reddit, the most normie website in the world you'll se plenty of examples of people posting their customized libraries and getting thousands of upboats because people love that shit, just like they love organizing their physical media on shelves.
Reddit is not normalgays.
Reddit is midwits.
the average person is a midwit, dummy
If you buy into the idea that that's what makes your platform fundamentally attractive at its core, you will suffer the same fate as countless other businesses.
Never forget what your main service entails.
Let me tell you the people predominantly using all those things you describe are more fickle than the people who support a business for its utility.
lol you're talking like steam is removing the ability to download games and not removing support for an os that 2% of the users use. TWO PERCENT. That's like, two weeks of natural user growth.
2% is huge.
No, it isn't. Steam gains like 5x that in a year. It's not an amount you should worry about
Easy gains are easy losses.
We'll see what further bad decisions hey make.
For anyone who still cares
What games do people play on windows 7 that they couldn’t just pirate? Yeah you’re losing counter strike but you were losing that when 2 releases anyway
frick
Will dota 2 be playable in 129 days or is that just a pipedream?
Maybe they have windows 10 in russia/brazil at this point.