Verlis has correct takes smogon bans items and pokemon for stupid reasons. Smogon players live under a council which tells them how they are allowed to play the game.
you plan on running knock off on your entire party? If not you'd need a pokemon that can outspeed them and be able to live a hit before knocking off their item on all 6 team members.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're acting like ass vest turns a mon into an unkillable god
Do you even play the game? >If not you'd need a pokemon that can outspeed them and be able to live a hit before knocking off their item on all 6 team members.
That's basically everything that runs it
Considering you're sacrificing all utility moves, a boost to your stats, damage, or recovery from a better item, and it only buffs special defense, it's completely moronic to even consider using this many assault vests in the first place. What team that isn't all box legendaries would this even be viable on?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What team that isn't all box legendaries would this even be viable on?
Hell, even a team like this would actively be hurt more than helped by going all AV
The only box legendaries that would benefit from AV in any capacity are...none actually. Everything wants a different item outside of like, fricking AV Xerneas but that's a moronic meme
11 months ago
Anonymous
Assault Vest Dialga is a decent blanket check, but it is admittedly a Pokémon that has otherwise no utility and underwhelming firepower.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, you're not only giving up passive recovery via Lefties, but also its' decent support movepool of shit like T-wave/Rocks/Trick Room (which it gets for some reason)
True, but then you would not need to walk on eggshells every time you see Zapdos on the opposing team. Static is largely luck based, but if it procs it can punish a extremely large array of moves and leave the opposing Pokémon crippled. It's a big frick you to all the U-turns, Knock Offs, Rapid Spins and various other contact based attacks that normally fly around in a battle. In a meta where there is barely any other Electric type, Static absolutely nets you more bang for buck, even if it does not always work.
I think the reason why Static was initially dismissed on Zapdos is that it was previously only available on shitmons (still is, Zapdos is the only good Pokémon that can use it consistently).
Oh no I agree, I'm just saying that Lightningrod would also be great for Zapdos. But yeah Static Zapdos is a fricking nightmare of a Pokemon. Running RH Zap as a Lop "check" in gen 7 was so much fun though
>. A team with 4 assault vests or leftovers would be too difficult to counter
In what fricking universe? Both Doubles OU and regular OU have shown that this is absolutely not the case
Hell, fricking Assault Vest is a damn niche item that's used as a crutch by bad players to the point where Smogon actually had to make an article saying "Here's how you use this fricking item"
I believed, but top 5 of OU? that was a lot more than i expected. I knew he was gonna be good but not THAT good
he's come a long way from what he once was.
literal definition of shitmon to tier defining threat in OU
and it isn't even just some one trick shit because of ceaseless edge. he has a few sets that can be used effectively. He's actually just that good now
I fricking kneel
Samurott always had a wide movepool but was cursed with no useful abilities to back up those average stats. The regional variant is a glow up for having actual ability to work with.
>Decidueye got a better ability but is slower >Typhlosion got a worse ability and is slower >Samurott got a better ability and is faster
Gamefreak confirmed more fond of Gen 5 than the fans
>Gamefreak confirmed more fond of Gen 5 than the fans
That’s been apparent since the beginning. Game Freak worships Unova (obvious not as much as KANTOOOOO) but they actually value Gen 5 pokemon. That’s why Gen 5 pokemon were allowed to exist in a game worth GenWun pokemkn stealing the spotlight and why so many Unova Pokémon are among the most consistently viable.
You can tell how much game freak respects a region why how much it’s allowed to stand on its own from KANTOOO. Game freak has never been subtle about it. They just made it extremely obvious when handling out abilities and movepools to the legends starters
>and it isn't even just some one trick shit because of ceaseless edge
except it is. without it it would be RU at most. but I agree that its a cool mon, I always loved that type combo
I believed, but top 5 of OU? that was a lot more than i expected. I knew he was gonna be good but not THAT good
he's come a long way from what he once was.
literal definition of shitmon to tier defining threat in OU
and it isn't even just some one trick shit because of ceaseless edge. he has a few sets that can be used effectively. He's actually just that good now
I fricking kneel
Samurottbros, we fricking won. We finally fricking won
All the Landorus at home threads made me check pika for usage and i know this is OU but i saw in ND it breaks even
So i will now drop my 0 elo opinion because it lost its moves
The issue with trying to gauge natdex past a point is that a lot of natdex is just old gen teams unironically.
And in general is flooded with less serious players, despite being more niche as most people are too lazy to think about switching tiers.
I'd argue that it being pretty symmetrical makes the overall picture pretty iffy and maybe in favor of Tusk. But I obviously can't confirm that, so thinking Lando is the "winner" is still pretty valid.
Though Lando has fallen from the top definitively. As even if Tusk isn't above him, Tusk is erasing a lot of his usage being an alternative option.
Not to mention, for as fanfic as Smogon is already, Natdex is OCdonut steal territory, in that it uses not just nonexistant movepools, but nonexistant mechanics. Lando-T benefits quite a bit from Z moves, disproportionally to a lot of Pokemon, while Great Tusk doesn't benefit from it particularly. Lando-T breaking even with Great Tusk, even being at its absolute strongest state (and, as you said, in a less competitive tier). Makes it pretty hard to deny that Great Tusk is the better pokemon.
Tried to tell homosexuals, he would probably be the last one standing.
I remember being in an argument with a moron saying that court change was a useless move that didnt change anything. Now here we are. The only protean/libero mon that wasn't ultra carried by the ability and actually has the stats and moves to show off ita power. Cinderacegays, I kneel...
it's crazy how the rabbit just adapted to this current moronic OU meta, never would have I imagined he would run a bulky pivot set with Will-o-wisp (which is really fricking good for crippling the whole meta).
I see more people using his Will-o-wisp set these days, hell I've seen some people using Gunk Shot again, he's just so versatile with his movepool that the rabbit just adjusts to the current meta.
>Ceruledge >Cresselia >Basculegion >Meowscarada >Goodra-H >Slowbro and Slowking >Both Thundurus forms >Torkoal >Tornadus-T
Wtf this UU is going to be insane
Most of those aren't even that good. Both Thundurus forms suck now that they lost both Hidden Power and Knock Off.
Tornadus-T lost Knock Off and Defog too so now it's just a so-so special attacker.
Slowking lost Scald so it's not as annoying either.
And Cresselia was never good.
>Sandy Shocks in OU
lolwhat
did people just start spamming it after Eleki got taken out thinking he'd do the same shit
I'd rather use Electrode for that
People do this already, but its not the sort of thing thatll become mainstream. They both serve similar roles, in being bulky offensive checks to a lot of common Pokemon. They diversify in Lando-T's access to U-Turn and better special bulk, and Great Tusk's higher offensive presence and greater support capabilities. But between them, there's a bit too much overlap in terms of role to be a standard core.
Kinda redundant to have them both.
It's not like DragMag where the draw to the dragons was power. Having 5 mons do the same thing was fine because team diversity was not the goal. Overwhelming power was.
The bread and butter for both Lando and Tusk is role compression. Being able to have one mon do as much as possible to give you as much freedom for the other 5 slots. Using up another slot on a mon that does most of the same things defeats the purpose.
What surprises me the most is the fact that chomp is still hanging on here.
And how the frick wake is number 22 while torkoal went down?Are people using that shitter on rain?
Zapdos has been the absolute most consistent Pokemon for the longest period of time, yes. It's gone up and down, but has always remained viable in OU, the rest of its brethren have fallen.
It's not all bad though
>Starmie hung on for awhile, and has still been a good spinner in lower tiers >Alakazam with NP and Magic Guard is legit great >Tauros base form is bad, but it has 2 shiny new forms that are viable >Snorlax, if it ever gets Slack Off, could have a legit niche in modern pokemon >Chansey still sees use despite the huge nerfs this gen >Exeggutor is dead in a fricking ditch
The issue with that logic is that Mewtwo has been consistently mid for awhile and obviously can't be OU with those fricking stats for awhile.
Not much of a king if all Mewtwo is really doing is taking it up the ass constantly because its stuck in a format where its mediocre.
Zapdos has been the absolute most consistent Pokemon for the longest period of time, yes. It's gone up and down, but has always remained viable in OU, the rest of its brethren have fallen.
It's not all bad though
>Starmie hung on for awhile, and has still been a good spinner in lower tiers >Alakazam with NP and Magic Guard is legit great >Tauros base form is bad, but it has 2 shiny new forms that are viable >Snorlax, if it ever gets Slack Off, could have a legit niche in modern pokemon >Chansey still sees use despite the huge nerfs this gen >Exeggutor is dead in a fricking ditch
I remember when they changed its hidden ability in gen 6 to Static (Lightningrod was never released) and there were people crying how it was nerfed irreparably. And maybe they were right and Zapdos would be even more consistent now, but it would not be as fricking infuriating to face.
>. And maybe they were right and Zapdos would be even more consistent now, but it would not be as fricking infuriating to face.
It'd actually make Zapdos the best check to itself and let it wall shit like Koko decently well
True, but then you would not need to walk on eggshells every time you see Zapdos on the opposing team. Static is largely luck based, but if it procs it can punish a extremely large array of moves and leave the opposing Pokémon crippled. It's a big frick you to all the U-turns, Knock Offs, Rapid Spins and various other contact based attacks that normally fly around in a battle. In a meta where there is barely any other Electric type, Static absolutely nets you more bang for buck, even if it does not always work.
I think the reason why Static was initially dismissed on Zapdos is that it was previously only available on shitmons (still is, Zapdos is the only good Pokémon that can use it consistently).
>fanfic garbage
how is this relevant
Hello again verlisify
Verlis has correct takes smogon bans items and pokemon for stupid reasons. Smogon players live under a council which tells them how they are allowed to play the game.
As opposed to the cart formats that won't let me use two life orbs because it's...LE BAD
You can't use multiple of the same items on a team because of game balance. A team with 4 assault vests or leftovers would be too difficult to counter
>ralts used knock off
you plan on running knock off on your entire party? If not you'd need a pokemon that can outspeed them and be able to live a hit before knocking off their item on all 6 team members.
You're acting like ass vest turns a mon into an unkillable god
Do you even play the game?
>If not you'd need a pokemon that can outspeed them and be able to live a hit before knocking off their item on all 6 team members.
That's basically everything that runs it
Considering you're sacrificing all utility moves, a boost to your stats, damage, or recovery from a better item, and it only buffs special defense, it's completely moronic to even consider using this many assault vests in the first place. What team that isn't all box legendaries would this even be viable on?
>What team that isn't all box legendaries would this even be viable on?
Hell, even a team like this would actively be hurt more than helped by going all AV
The only box legendaries that would benefit from AV in any capacity are...none actually. Everything wants a different item outside of like, fricking AV Xerneas but that's a moronic meme
Assault Vest Dialga is a decent blanket check, but it is admittedly a Pokémon that has otherwise no utility and underwhelming firepower.
I mean, you're not only giving up passive recovery via Lefties, but also its' decent support movepool of shit like T-wave/Rocks/Trick Room (which it gets for some reason)
Oh no I agree, I'm just saying that Lightningrod would also be great for Zapdos. But yeah Static Zapdos is a fricking nightmare of a Pokemon. Running RH Zap as a Lop "check" in gen 7 was so much fun though
>. A team with 4 assault vests or leftovers would be too difficult to counter
In what fricking universe? Both Doubles OU and regular OU have shown that this is absolutely not the case
Hell, fricking Assault Vest is a damn niche item that's used as a crutch by bad players to the point where Smogon actually had to make an article saying "Here's how you use this fricking item"
yiff in hell, furgay
>not refuting my point
You lost
Remember when people on this board were, unironically, saying HSamurott would be shit in OU?
Disadvantage of this being an anonymous board, since we can't name and shame these morons.
Did people even say that? The Hisui moves are fricking broken.
>inb4 but muh kleavor
Spikes stack unlike rocks. And the spinner with >40% usage cucks kleavor while they can’t stand STAB water damage from Samurott
Yes, it was a very common sentiment, in fact.
I still remember when people were saying that maushold would be high tier OU
They argued so hard that he'd be shit. They won't show their faces anymore though, the fricking idiots.
I have to be honest, I didn't believe.
I believed, but top 5 of OU? that was a lot more than i expected. I knew he was gonna be good but not THAT good
he's come a long way from what he once was.
literal definition of shitmon to tier defining threat in OU
and it isn't even just some one trick shit because of ceaseless edge. he has a few sets that can be used effectively. He's actually just that good now
I fricking kneel
Samurott always had a wide movepool but was cursed with no useful abilities to back up those average stats. The regional variant is a glow up for having actual ability to work with.
The extra speed doesn't hurt either.
>Decidueye got a better ability but is slower
>Typhlosion got a worse ability and is slower
>Samurott got a better ability and is faster
Gamefreak confirmed more fond of Gen 5 than the fans
A prefecture in Japan had government-mandated Oshawott shilling.
>Gamefreak confirmed more fond of Gen 5 than the fans
That’s been apparent since the beginning. Game Freak worships Unova (obvious not as much as KANTOOOOO) but they actually value Gen 5 pokemon. That’s why Gen 5 pokemon were allowed to exist in a game worth GenWun pokemkn stealing the spotlight and why so many Unova Pokémon are among the most consistently viable.
You can tell how much game freak respects a region why how much it’s allowed to stand on its own from KANTOOO. Game freak has never been subtle about it. They just made it extremely obvious when handling out abilities and movepools to the legends starters
>he
her
>and it isn't even just some one trick shit because of ceaseless edge
except it is. without it it would be RU at most. but I agree that its a cool mon, I always loved that type combo
Samurottbros, we fricking won. We finally fricking won
All the Landorus at home threads made me check pika for usage and i know this is OU but i saw in ND it breaks even
So i will now drop my 0 elo opinion because it lost its moves
The issue with trying to gauge natdex past a point is that a lot of natdex is just old gen teams unironically.
And in general is flooded with less serious players, despite being more niche as most people are too lazy to think about switching tiers.
I'd argue that it being pretty symmetrical makes the overall picture pretty iffy and maybe in favor of Tusk. But I obviously can't confirm that, so thinking Lando is the "winner" is still pretty valid.
Though Lando has fallen from the top definitively. As even if Tusk isn't above him, Tusk is erasing a lot of his usage being an alternative option.
Not to mention, for as fanfic as Smogon is already, Natdex is OCdonut steal territory, in that it uses not just nonexistant movepools, but nonexistant mechanics. Lando-T benefits quite a bit from Z moves, disproportionally to a lot of Pokemon, while Great Tusk doesn't benefit from it particularly. Lando-T breaking even with Great Tusk, even being at its absolute strongest state (and, as you said, in a less competitive tier). Makes it pretty hard to deny that Great Tusk is the better pokemon.
nice, Chomp holds on 1 more month
if DLC gives it back Scale Shot, it could be fine till the end of the gen
>iron valiant
she fricking won
And then there was one Libero/Protean user.....................
Tried to tell homosexuals, he would probably be the last one standing.
I remember being in an argument with a moron saying that court change was a useless move that didnt change anything. Now here we are. The only protean/libero mon that wasn't ultra carried by the ability and actually has the stats and moves to show off ita power. Cinderacegays, I kneel...
it's crazy how the rabbit just adapted to this current moronic OU meta, never would have I imagined he would run a bulky pivot set with Will-o-wisp (which is really fricking good for crippling the whole meta).
literally only hanging on because of broken snowflake move
I see more people using his Will-o-wisp set these days, hell I've seen some people using Gunk Shot again, he's just so versatile with his movepool that the rabbit just adjusts to the current meta.
...you do know that i was talking about Court Change right?
Yes, and I was talking about other moves that are good on him, I already know about Court Change.
sun in UU YES
>Ceruledge
>Cresselia
>Basculegion
>Meowscarada
>Goodra-H
>Slowbro and Slowking
>Both Thundurus forms
>Torkoal
>Tornadus-T
Wtf this UU is going to be insane
Most of those aren't even that good. Both Thundurus forms suck now that they lost both Hidden Power and Knock Off.
Tornadus-T lost Knock Off and Defog too so now it's just a so-so special attacker.
Slowking lost Scald so it's not as annoying either.
And Cresselia was never good.
Slowking isn't bad, G-King is just straight better.
Thundurus-I is funny to run as a bulk up meme set with just enough speed EVs to be faster than base 80 mons
>Tornadus-I in NU
What the FRICK
It lost all of its moves.
And it was NUBL last gen.
The RU to NU drops looks like a pretty decent Snow team lmao
>Sandy Shocks in OU
lolwhat
did people just start spamming it after Eleki got taken out thinking he'd do the same shit
I'd rather use Electrode for that
It gets Spikes, Stealth Rock, Earth Power, and Protosynthesis.
reign is over until people starts to use both Great Tusk and Lando in 1 team
People do this already, but its not the sort of thing thatll become mainstream. They both serve similar roles, in being bulky offensive checks to a lot of common Pokemon. They diversify in Lando-T's access to U-Turn and better special bulk, and Great Tusk's higher offensive presence and greater support capabilities. But between them, there's a bit too much overlap in terms of role to be a standard core.
I guess if lando got defog and knock off back it would still around 10% usage from tusk
Kinda redundant to have them both.
It's not like DragMag where the draw to the dragons was power. Having 5 mons do the same thing was fine because team diversity was not the goal. Overwhelming power was.
The bread and butter for both Lando and Tusk is role compression. Being able to have one mon do as much as possible to give you as much freedom for the other 5 slots. Using up another slot on a mon that does most of the same things defeats the purpose.
What surprises me the most is the fact that chomp is still hanging on here.
And how the frick wake is number 22 while torkoal went down?Are people using that shitter on rain?
Is Zapdos the king of Gen 1?
dragonite
Literally a seasonal gimmick that has shown itself to fall off before this wave of powercreep.
Its only the king of gen 1 with teras backing.
it's been the best gen 1 pokemon since it got multiscale in gen 5 anon
Sure it has; thats why zap has been top usage OU forever while dnite can't even stick in OU right?
This isn't true, it hasn't even been the highest viable Gen 1 pokemon in Gen 5, Alakazam was. HBD and Tera help it immensely as well.
Zapdos has been the absolute most consistent Pokemon for the longest period of time, yes. It's gone up and down, but has always remained viable in OU, the rest of its brethren have fallen.
It's not all bad though
>Starmie hung on for awhile, and has still been a good spinner in lower tiers
>Alakazam with NP and Magic Guard is legit great
>Tauros base form is bad, but it has 2 shiny new forms that are viable
>Snorlax, if it ever gets Slack Off, could have a legit niche in modern pokemon
>Chansey still sees use despite the huge nerfs this gen
>Exeggutor is dead in a fricking ditch
>snorlax
For what it's worth it's remained a great doubles mon after all this time
That's still Mewtwo, I think.
Mewtwo is the only Pokemon to be in the same tier for all 9 generations.
Even Zapdos dipped to UU in gen 5.
The issue with that logic is that Mewtwo has been consistently mid for awhile and obviously can't be OU with those fricking stats for awhile.
Not much of a king if all Mewtwo is really doing is taking it up the ass constantly because its stuck in a format where its mediocre.
The way this is going,I expect mewtwo and lugia to be ou in gen 10
genuinely, how does he keep doing it?
I remember when they changed its hidden ability in gen 6 to Static (Lightningrod was never released) and there were people crying how it was nerfed irreparably. And maybe they were right and Zapdos would be even more consistent now, but it would not be as fricking infuriating to face.
>. And maybe they were right and Zapdos would be even more consistent now, but it would not be as fricking infuriating to face.
It'd actually make Zapdos the best check to itself and let it wall shit like Koko decently well
True, but then you would not need to walk on eggshells every time you see Zapdos on the opposing team. Static is largely luck based, but if it procs it can punish a extremely large array of moves and leave the opposing Pokémon crippled. It's a big frick you to all the U-turns, Knock Offs, Rapid Spins and various other contact based attacks that normally fly around in a battle. In a meta where there is barely any other Electric type, Static absolutely nets you more bang for buck, even if it does not always work.
I think the reason why Static was initially dismissed on Zapdos is that it was previously only available on shitmons (still is, Zapdos is the only good Pokémon that can use it consistently).
Paralysis is broken.
Is there any proof of Finch getting death threats over the Volcarona ban?
>she's STILL winning
works for me!
LUXRAY CHADS WHERE ARE YOU AT
Looks like Landorus was the Great Tusk at home
Great Tusk at 14th