157 GAMES IN ITS 15 YEAR LIFE SPAN
MATHEMATICALLY APPROACHES ZERO THIRD PARTY INTEREST
RENTAL PROGRAM WHICH NEVER MATERIALIZED
DESTROYED THE COMPANY
ONE (1) RPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neo_Geo_games?useskin=vector
Face it, the Neo-Geo lost to everybody. People laugh at Sega for its constant idiotic choices and business failures but they seem like geniuses next to SNK.
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Neo geo was never a main competitor though. It was more of a boutique thing.
That's the kind of thinking that killed the company.
157 games for a single arcade system is incredible tbf. You're looking at it in it's shiny plastic case and seeing it as a console which is not really what it was.
I guess the Saturn and Dreamcast werent consoles either
It's very poor for any home system, which the Neo-Geo also was. More Neo-Geo home systems were sold than arcade cabs.
But all games were designed primarily for arcade use
No because unlike Neo Geo, the majority of games on those systems were designed for home console experience with a few actual arcade games ported to them.
The Dreamcast was like an actually affordable Neo Geo since it was basically a Sega NAOMI arcade chipset and their arcade cabs also used GD-ROMs.
Like many people have said, Sega would probably still be around if hardware giants like Sony or Microsoft stayed out of the console wars. Even the Neo Geo might still be around.
And yet that's about 150 more good games than you're getting on SNES.
>Magician Lord was "good"
Yes.
It was jank. Among the early titles, I prefer NAM 1975. Just slotting floppies like nobody's business.
If it was compared to the SNES platformer catalog it would not make the top 20.
Magician Lord is way better than GnG or Castlevania.
I literally just played Magician Lord for the first time (emulated, of course) ever and I’m in my 40s so not a zoomer. The controls are bogus (no diagonal shooting) so every flying butthole shoots you before you can shoot them. The difficulty seems ridiculous because of this but it does have pretty graphics and sound.
It’s an odd title for the NeoGeo and feels like Blackthorne on SNES but with janky controls.
And 158 more good games than on the Amiga.
>And 158 more good games than on the Amiga.
neogeo and snes can't run dbpaint though
Literally mogged the snezz, geneshart, and shitturn
It had good sports games, fun and arcadey. It had good fighting games, Samurai Shodown series is my favorite other than Bushido Blade (1, not 2). Metal Slug is OK. Very cute but it gets tiresome. It failed to materialize any good platformers, any RPGs other than an SNK "look guys we have an RPG too" RPG that's mid tier if you're being generous AND comparing it merely to SNES and Genesis RPGs. It's a shame because if there were a couple good RPGs for it, that were exclusive, it might have saved their bacon at SNK. Instead as the other anon said they had taken their arcade machine money and sunk some of it into various upgrades and next-gen products, and even handhelds, and even amusement parks with rides and roller coasters and jpop idols, etc...
>tfw i still don't have an AES with a metal slug 3 cart
You're going to need at least a million bucks for that.
nah you can pick up a aes for a few 100 i picked one up in 2011 for 75 lol
and you can get all manner of mvs cart and converter or sd card carts for rom dumps
aes is only expensive gaming if you intent to go full purist mode.
1. buy Metal Slug 3 MVS cart
2. desolder ROM chips
3. buy cheapest AES cart
4. Desolder ROM chips from the cheap game and replace with MS3 chips.
5. Print repro MS3 AES label and apply to the AES cart.
6. ???
bomp
It was an arcade-in-a-box console built by SNK to play SNK games. You can literally take an MVS cartridge out of an arcade cabinet, stick it into the AES and it runs the same.
Its competition was other arcade boards from sega and Capcom, which usually only got 10 games each.
CPSII got almost 50 games, and it was arcade exclusive.
Must be the runner up
>157 GAMES IN ITS 15 YEAR LIFE SPAN
which is unprecedented for any other arcade board
no one actually owned an AES back then
Would you invest money in a game for a system that was expensive as frick and games that were 200 dollars?
A a quarter a game that's 800 credits.
It wasn't just a home video game console, friend. It was an arcade platform first and foremost, and it was massively successful on that front. It was a consistent platform that devs could make games for, and it was better for arcade owners too because they could just swap cartridges. The "home console" side of things was boutique and premium. The high price tag reflected that and it kept the plebians/future twitter trannies at bay.
The Neo Geo MVS was one of the most successful arcade platforms of all time. The arcade machine sold 1.1 million arcade cabinets worldwide. With each cabinet priced around $5000 to $6000. The AES sold 1.2 million worldwide. The Neo Geo single handedly printed money for the entire SNK company.
That's not including individual game sales or rental fees.
Sadly, their blundering efforts in the home market ended up costing them all the money the MVS printed for them.
No it was the neo geo 64 that flopped
It really didn’t. It’s not like the AES was mass manufactured in the same way the Genesis/SNES were. In America it was only sold at big flagship Toys R Us locations and specialty electronics retailers. You couldn’t just go buy one at Target or whatever.
>It’s not like the AES was mass manufactured in the same way the Genesis/SNES were.
They were, same type of process, same injection molded plastic everything. They were manufactured in the EXACT same way. They were not made out of luxury materials, or hand assembled from individually hand fitted parts.
They just failed to crank them out in large enough numbers to save the company, or cut costs down sufficiently through economy of scale.
This is simply not true. The Neo Geo AES was designed and marketed as a niche, high end console in the U.S. It was never meant to be distributed nationwide at standard department stores like the mainstream 16-bit era consoles. Hence why you only found it at specialty retailers in larger metropolitan areas. I don’t know how you ever got the notion that it was meant to directly compete with much less powerful and cheaper hardware.
>The Neo Geo AES was designed and marketed as a niche, high end console in the U.S.
This is true.
>It was never meant to be distributed nationwide at standard department stores like the mainstream 16-bit era consoles.
Yet some retailers and mainstream stores did carry it. And not just in major cities either.
Depends on what you mean by ‘mainstream retailers'. Toys R Us, Electronics Boutique and Babbages/Funcoland, yes. Walmart or K-Mart, no.
Adding to this: The exorbitant price of the Neo Geo cartridges alone would’ve put it well outside the realm of your average consumer purchasing Nintendo and Sega games.
For the price of one Neo-Geo cart, you could buy an entire Genesis or SNES, plus two games and an extra controller.
That, and eventually NeoGeo lost it's prestige once the newfangled 3D stuff started coming out. It was all about ugly polygon shit, rather than refined 2D aesthetics. That, and the 2D capabilities of consoles like the PlayStation and Saturn matched or eclipsed that of the NeoGeo.
Neo-Geo CD also had no buffering or read-ahead or any other steps to make the CD-ROM format less excruciating.
> It was all about ugly polygon shit, rather than refined 2D aesthetics.
Stay mad.
>Hence why you only found it at specialty retailers in larger metropolitan areas
Neo Geo AES was carried by some big retailers like Toys R Us or Macys. And a few others. Also game stores like Electronics Boutique. Mom and Pop independent game stores in the suburbs and countryside carried it as well.
But the differences is the ratio of stock they carried. They may only have carried 2 or 3 Neo Geos in the whole store. Meanwhile they might have carried 20 SNES or Sega Genesis consoles. Neo Geo didn't compete directly with Nintendo/Sega, but the Neo Geo was available if you wanted to buy one. The price was hard to swallow for most.
I remember the funny and controversial ads SNK used to run at the time. Usually sexually provocative and made fun of Sega and Nintendo for being baby machines.
Yeah and I doubt American retailers that did carry it offered a wide variety of games. Probably just a small selection of the most popular ones.
>It was never meant to be distributed nationwide at standard department stores like the mainstream 16-bit era consoles.
There is zero evidence for this statement whatsoever.
Yes there is. 30 years worth of evidence in fact. It was never sold at 'normie' department stores like Walmart, Target, K-Mart, Hills, etc. If SNK had wanted to do that, they would have. See also:
>allows player to save his current progress
women btfo
>of all time
it was a consolized arcade system meant only for the rich
this tech was developed in like 1988 and released in like 1990,it was cutting edge at the time.
it wasnt trying to be mainstream
also 157 cames for the AES,but cause its literally just a MVS in console form it can boot all the MVS carts with a simple adapter opening up the library to way more.
and there isnt a single stinker in its entire library
>ONE (1) RPG
? Really? ? It says in the wikipedia there are 3, but I will 100% not consider Super Spy an RPG.
Crossed Swords seems cool, I guess.. There's 2 of those. So what did you mean by 1 RPG?
Super Spy is so incredibly violent and directly murdery. It's great. But it ain't no RPG.
I wouldn't consider Crossed Swords to be an actual RPG.
If they hadn't tried the home system stuff it would have been more profitable. The arcade unit carried the home sales. Then they released the Neo-Geo CD without any buffering on the CD drive, making it excruciating. Worse than the Playstation.
I'm not sure if SNK sold their Neo Geo AES consoles at a loss, if they had than I suppose that argument could have been made if software sales weren't high enough to compensate. But I doubt it, because the Neo Geo was never intended to be a mass market device sold at Wal-Marts and Targets. It was always a boutique product sold to enthusiasts. I think what ultimately killed SNK was the fighting game crash of the late 90s and the lack of appealing games afterwards. Nazca disbanded, so it's not as if they had much talent left. The Hyper Neo Geo 64 also failed miserably, and eventually the Neo Geo as a platform was abandoned in favor of shinier and 3D capable boards like the Sega Naomi. But as a venture, overall, the NeoGeo seemed like a big success. It just had it's time in the spotlight.
>the Neo Geo was never intended to be a mass market device sold at Wal-Marts and Targets
This is something people say now, but is there any evidence that they intended it to be? They also intended to rent the thing but other than a couple flashy ads there is zero evidence this plan was put into place. You don't create a product thinking that it'll be niche and expensive so much that it could be difficult to make money on it. Not for something like a video game console. That's a recipe for failure as the market proved over and over again.
Hyper Neo Geo 64 again, that was so late in the company's trouble times that it's hard to pin it on that. They also developed the Neo Geo Pocket and Neo Geo Pocket Color which more or less flopped too, that was an expensive side-venture that probably didn't need to happen. In the end it's probably better that SNK is like Sega now, relegated to making games on other companies' platforms.
The ngp and ngpc were sucessful in asiatic regions but flopped in the US due to a moronic business decision by snk to allow some dago wop family to handle the entirity of the US release.
iirc snk only needed a 2-5% share of the US market for the ngpc to be sucessful but incompetent greaseballs fricked it up.
>The ngp and ngpc were sucessful in asiatic regions but flopped in the US due to a moronic business decision by snk to allow some dago wop family to handle the entirity of the US release.
>iirc snk only needed a 2-5% share of the US market for the ngpc to be sucessful but incompetent greaseballs fricked it up.
kek this i can believe
>I'm not sure if SNK sold their Neo Geo AES consoles at a loss, if they had than I suppose that argument could have been made if software sales weren't high enough to compensate.
No. The Neo Geo AES was not sold at a loss. It was sold for around $650 to $700 for each unit. They made a profit. And the hardware was basically a modified arcade board which they were already mass producing with the MVS. So it didn't take much investment to make.
>But I doubt it, because the Neo Geo was never intended to be a mass market device sold at Wal-Marts and Targets.
It ended being sold at some stores like Macy's, JCPenny, Toy's R Us, Savemarts, and video game specific stores (like EB Games, Funcoland, etc).
>I think what ultimately killed SNK was the fighting game crash of the late 90s and the lack of appealing games afterwards.
SNK failed because they made some pretty poor financial decisions. While they were making tons of money with the MVS and AES, they decided to waste their resources. Like opening multiple Theme Parks with rides, Rollercoasters, etc. In an already a crowded theme park market hogged by Sega and Namco parks. Neo Geo land theme parks cost the company millions of dollars they didn't earn back.
>The Hyper Neo Geo 64 also failed miserably, and eventually the Neo Geo as a platform was abandoned
The Hyper Neo Geo 64 failed for one BIG main reason. It couldn't hold multiple game cartridges on a single board like the Neo Geo MVS. The "Multiple cartridges on an arcade board" idea was SNK's main thing they were known for. It saved a ton of space in arcades and owners loved it. A very economical purchase for arcades.
When they tried to make the HNG64 an arcade board with just 1 game, then became no different than Sega or Namco's arcade boards. Space is limited in Jap arcades. So arcades saw no reason to buy the HNG64. Abandoning the "multiple games on a single arcade board" idea probably SNK's worst decision they ever made.
>No. The Neo Geo AES was not sold at a loss. It was sold for around $650 to $700 for each unit. They made a profit.
How do we know they made a profit? How do we know what it cost to build? I mean, whoa, $650 to $700 sounds like big money but does that mean it was profitable?
Samurai Spirits. iirc there’s only a French and Spanish translation. Worth checking out the Spanish translation if you’re American.
>People laugh at Sega for its constant idiotic choices and business failures but they seem like geniuses next to SNK.
If this system can run Metal Slug games why would I give a frick about how many units it sold?
Metal Slug is a good game but you're wanking it.
Shader bros... how do I get Neo Geo games to look as close to legit as possible in retroarch? Are there any shaders that get close to the arcade monitor look? I've never played a real MVS unfortunately, but I loved Metal Slug 7 on ds so I really wanna try out the real games and have it be as dope as possible.
get a crt i have a 60" 4k tv but i got a sony trinitron in the other corner with a VCR and retro consoles so i get best of both
also its compf af watching a tape on a crt,very nostalgic.
CRT-Royale
Diffusion weight: 0
Halation weight: 0
Mask type: 1
Triad size: 2
Neo Geo is easy because RGB is easier to simulate than NTSC.
it was lioke a status symbol in the nineties...
cool people had a snes and a genesis with a super wild card and a super magicom on top... they downloaded roms from japanese or dutch bbs...
amazing people had a neogeo and an actual cabinet with a set of actual arcade mainboards...
this was short before the internet or mame became popular... good times...
They games could run north of $250 especially for imports in the US. It was absolutely ridiculous. I knew a kid who had one, his dad did business in Japan and he had all kinds of stuff. But he only had like 6-8 games, because even though his dad had plenty of money to bring these gifts to his lucky kid he wasn't made of gold.
A couple controllers, a couple memory cards, and 6-8 games is like $3500+ worth of gaming, you could get a tricked out home computer for that kind of scratch, or a SNES and a Genesis and 25 games for each.
the neogeo was the home version of SNK's arcade machines... using an elaborate hardware adapter you could feed that machine with neogeo MVS boards instead of cartridges.. i had such an adapter for years but never had a neogeo lol...
today you find them on aliexpress of course.. https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001309821032.html
Those are MVS to Jamma adapters.
>the neogeo was the home version of SNK's arcade machines
That was probably the smartest aspect of the whole plan SNK hatched - to have a "portable" arcade machine which was identical to the cabinet version. As is known, they wanted to rent them, but there is no evidence they actually did. It was a good system for the time as well, very advanced features, powerful, did an amazing number of sprites and colors, great sound. The idea of a unified system where developers can target the arcade and home markets at the same time was brilliant and made perfect sense except everything wound up being VERY expensive and there was little effort made to actually attract developers.
I feel somewhere somebody fricked with several bad decisions along the way and modern tales that it was meant as a bespoke, upscale item not for the plebian shopper are a retcon. There's no evidence for this in fact. The price of the unit and then the price of the games was enough to do it in especially without a ton of good quality third party titles. It stomped all the other systems of the day. It just failed to really gain any traction.
As I said before it's fine though because like with Sega this company is better off making games on other systems now.
Where else could you play arcade perfect versions of games in the 1990s?
>the Neo-Geo lost to everybody
Well said bro. And they didnt even have Crash Bandicod or fifa, what loosers.
>RENTAL PROGRAM WHICH NEVER MATERIALIZED
????
The AES started out as a rental only console. Usually to corporate companies for events and parties. For places where you couldn't fit a full Neo Geo cabinet, or drag a cabinet up to the 50th floor of a building for a 2 day event
It was only sold to customers because of popular demand.
>The AES started out as a rental only console. Usually to corporate companies for events and parties.
No, no. While that was indeed the plan, there's zero evidence this actually happened. Zero. It's quite likely that they realized this plan was stupid and decided to sell them as home units instead.
>While that was indeed the plan, there's zero evidence this actually happened. Zero. It's quite likely that they realized this plan was stupid and decided to sell them as home units instead.
So all the published gaming history books, interviews with former SNK employees, and rental advertisements are all wrong? And you are the ONLY person that's correct?
Lmao. If you are going to make up a lie at least pick one thats a little more realistic and believable. Everyone knows the Neo Geo AES was a rental unit.
Pick a smaller lie next time.
>So all the published gaming history books,
Which ones?
>interviews with former SNK employees
Which ones?
>and rental advertisements
AdvertisemenT. No "s" on the end of that word to indicate a plural. ONE ad. One time. Once.
There is ZERO evidence that they ever rented ONE Neo-Geo, even one time, on one day. Zero. Go ahead and show me in "all the books, interviews," etc. Do it now, we're all watching you in anticipation. You can't.
Alright. If I do that, then I want you to personally APOLOGIZE here in front of everyone.
Make a trip code username right now with a custom username.
When I post proof, I want you to use that trip code username to apologize and say, "I was wrong anon. I was being an butthole, and you have given my dumbass self true knowledge. I have been blessed. I truly apologize."
Make the trip code account right now. I'll wait.
Still haven't seen any of these proofs yet either anon...
>Still haven't seen any of these proofs yet either anon...
I told you to make a trip code username and I'll post proof.
I don't want you disappearing, and not responding when you are proven wrong. I want that apology.
I'm not that anon, anon. I just wanted to see if you yourself were full of shit which I can see now you are.
>If I do that
Rest assured, you won't. The only evidence of the rental plan is one single advertisement that's been likeshared all over the Internet for the last decade. It's all you'll find.
Nope, I haven't changed my opinion. I admitted this was a plan they had, but then I also claimed (correctly) that there is zero evidence this plan was every put into action. There is no contradiction whatsoever.
It takes literally 5 seconds to make a trip code username. You could have already made one instead of grumbling and making 3 different posts.
You deflection tactics aren't going to work on me. Make the username. If you aren't going to do it, then just admit it and stop replying.
Why bother? I've looked, there is zero evidence there ever was a rental system for the Neo-Geo. There was one ad which touted this as part of the plan. No other evidence of the rental system plan exists, anywhere. Whatsoever.
Yeah not only is that other anon full of shit, he's also a massage homosexual
It's the same gay in the X68000 thread, jannies and mods will sometimes be intentionally moronic as an activity stimulator. It's just what we really need on a formerly nice slow board like /vr/.
Yawn
You spent more effort typing out 6 different responses over a few hours...when you could have just made a tripcode account in 5 SECONDS. What is wrong with your brain?
There is another anon involved in winding you up (me) and it seems to be working quite well. Although I am still interested in seeing this so called evidence which you still haven't produced. This is fun watching you sperging out
Is this evidence enough for you?
What my own post? No.
Could please not be so glib.
These posts
Nah I can't help it sorry. Also those were clearly made by videogameobsession.com so they must be fake
>Although I am still interested in seeing this so called evidence which you still haven't produced
See
All that's standing in your way is making a tripcode username and promising to apologize when your wrong.
Why are you arguing with Zoomers? He wasn't even alive in 1990. That's why he's begging us for info
It's funny watching him run in circles over nothing. He doesn't even know where to look.
I want to see what new Neo geo fanfiction anon is going to think up next.
Wrong anon again anon. I'm not the one you are crying for an apology for in your gay cringy American way, I'm just winding you up for fun.
>I'm not the one you are crying for an apology for in your gay cringy American way, I'm just winding you up for fun.
So you are acting like a moron on purpose. That explains everything.
I mean we called it early on. Very bad bait attempts and terrible fanfiction about renting. Way too obvious.
No you haven't looked everywhere. Stop ruining a perfectly good Neo Geo thread with your fanfiction autism.
I'll be straight with you anon. You know the game. It's because he's afraid that you might actually have something to prove him wrong. Nerds hate to apologize. So if he actually made a tripcode and you posted evidence he hadn't seen, then he'll have to admit he was wrong, or risk bruising his ego. He would rather spend hours or even days talking about how he's too good to debate you. But the reality is that he's afraid and too prideful. So don't expect him to spend a few seconds to make a tripcode and agree to your terms. Nerds are cowards after all. They are afraid of risk.
>No you haven't looked everywhere.
I did, everywhere. I even read Japanese, though I need a dictionary for many Kanji. There is no further mention anywhere of the rental program.
>I did, everywhere. I even read Japanese, though I need a dictionary for many Kanji. There is no further mention anywhere of the rental program.
Are you joking? This must be a troll post. I don't even know why you even would choose to make a up this fanfiction about something so specific. Everyone in the retro gaming community knows it was a rental unit for a period of time. And yes I can prove it. But I want to know FIRST where you claimed you looked for information. Where did you look for your research? What websites? What books? Because finding this information is not hard at all.
The fact that you said you couldn't find it makes me extremely suspicious of you. That you must be trolling.
You are actually correct. Very good memory anon. Did you work at a rental store by chance?
>No other evidence of the rental system plan exists, anywhere. Whatsoever.
Does this bait get a lot of (yous)?
If it was merely bait somebody would debunk my statement. Nobody can.
This is different than the SNK official rental plan. Many rental places in the '80s and '90s rented consoles. Doesn't mean this was connected to an official plan by the console manufacturer to rent them out, which was the claim. Your video rental place's owner bought a Neo-Geo at retail and rented it out.
>Your video rental place's owner bought a Neo-Geo at retail and rented it out.
Not that anon, but SNK's official North American office and distribution center was in San Jose, CA. Your business could contact them, and enter in a rental contract agreement. A Neo Geo AES would be sent to your business and used as a rental unit only. You both split the profits from rentals of it, and you returned the AES once the contract period is over (for example 1 year).
Similar to how Arcade machines were placed in locations like movie theaters, Laundromats, etc. The owner of the arcade machine would split profits 50/50 with the Laundromat owners. But the arcade machine still belonged to another owner and they did all the maintenance.
>Your business could contact them, and enter in a rental contract agreement. A Neo Geo AES would be sent to your business and used as a rental unit only. You both split the profits from rentals of it, and you returned the AES once the contract period is over (for example 1 year).
Proofs? This sounds made up.
I'm starting to get the feeling this anon is lazy, and wants us to do all the work for him.
All he needs to do is say something doesn't exist or never happened and challenges people to prove him wrong. Reverse psychology.
>all the work
What work? Shouldn't this information be accessible somewhere if it's common knowledge?
Sounds made up actually.
There is one ad indicating they planned to rent it. But no other information to corroborate this whatsoever, anywhere. At all.
The claim was that it wasn't "intended" to be sold at normal stores, which also has ZERO proof. It sounds like cope.
>all games
Even the RPG?
Me too.
I'm tired of entertaining your bait. You are just repeating yourself. Boring.
At least I'm not repeating fantastic claims such as:
>SNK set out to make a boutique console that would not sell at normal stores
>SNK's rental program *actually happened* despite zero evidence
Etc.
I’m going to once again refer you back to this post
. Are you really in good faith going to claim that SNK seriously had plans to sell the $600 AES and its enormous, expensive cartridges next to the Genesis and SNES stuff at local department stores in rural Wisconsin or whatever? Bull fricking shit, OP. The Neo Geo was 100% a niche, boutique console and was always intended as such.
>Are you really in good faith going to claim that SNK seriously had plans to sell the $600 AES and its enormous, expensive cartridges next to the Genesis and SNES stuff at local department stores in rural Wisconsin or whatever?
Yes.
What did he mean by this?
https://archive.org/details/neogeo-bigger-badder-better-ad
They obviously intended to, and did, sell the $649.99 AES and its enormous, expensive cartridges right next to the Genesis and SNES and indeed did.
Did people buy them? Yes, some. A few. But they knew that video game consoles were mostly purchased for children so they tried to combat that image. Knowing full well mom's going to choose the significantly cheaper Nintendo or Sega option 99% of the time.
>next to the Genesis and SNES stuff at local department stores in rural Wisconsin or whatever?
Seems you all too conveniently ignored that other part.
>>next to the Genesis and SNES stuff at local department stores in rural Wisconsin or whatever?
We used to have game stores even in rural Wisconsin or whatever, this all happened before Walmart even made its way out of the south and went nationwide. Fricking zoomers I swear.
Yes, anon, I know what specialty gaming retailers are and they aren’t the same thing as local department stores, which is why I made the distinction. Anything else?
There is no distinction. Your original claim was that the thing was a boutique item made for the well-heeled consumer, and not something intended for mass distribution through normal channels. Which, in those days, were the software and game stores.
Sears didn't have all the games. It had some. You had to go to the game store to find all the games. Same with home computers. Department stores sold some software and gaming systems and games, and even computers. But most people shopped for those things at the game and software and computer stores.
They existed throughout the land, far and wide. And the claim is about "intent" and the core, that SNK never "intended" to sell the thing widely and mass produce it. It was to be a low-production, exclusive, high end only item, is the persistent claim. And it's bullshit too. Even in rural Wisconsin they had software and game stores, and the Neo-Geo was available at them nationwide. It failed, because of a number of reasons. But not because SNK intended it to be limited, exclusive, too expensive, or with poor third party support and no RPGs, an important genre for the buyer.
>Which, in those days, were the software and game stores.
Patently false. Department stores had Genesis, SNES, Game Gear and Game Boy stuff readily available. They didn’t carry Neo Geo or TurboGrafx-16. You had to go to stores like Toy R Us to buy them.
>Department stores had Genesis, SNES, Game Gear and Game Boy stuff readily available.
Yes but not the bulk of the titles. These systems had hundreds of games each. Sears had the new hot games for the season and the best sellers plus shit they were trying to blow out that was old or sucked. Toy stores were no better. That's why you went to the EB.
Okay? That refutes nothing that I’ve said.
You said nothing important. The cope is that Neo-Geo wasn't intended to be sold widely, it was to be a boutique item for the well heeled. But that's not true. They sold them at toy stores, department stores, game stores, computer stores, etc. right around America. Well, tried to. The $649.99 price tag plus $200 a game and $250 for the second controller and $200 for a memory card just to get started was a bit stiff considering you could buy both the SNES and Genesis and 10 games for each one for that kind of bread.
>California
>New York
Come on, man.
It was in the TOY STORES in the biggest markets too. Refuting the claim that it wasn't even IN toy stores and wasn't intended to be.
And also at Macy's and TOYS R US in NYC. The largest city in the US.
>but it wasn't MEANT to be in TOY STORES
I never once claimed that. I did however correctly state that it wasn’t sold in DEPARTMENT stores like Walmart or K-Mart. Are you even from the U.S.?
>it wasn’t sold in DEPARTMENT stores
It was.
>like Walmart or K-Mart
Those are low end stores and Walmart wasn't even a thing back then. Before Internet shopping we had malls and strip malls and people went to the store to buy their games and they would go to the specialty stores.
Walmart has books, but there were also book stores. Walmart had guns, but there were gun stores.
Anyway they blew those things out at retailers everywhere in the country, including in department stores in big markets. It's another Neo-Geo myth that was invented and I've dispelled it.
I’m going to need you to re-read these posts
,
yet again. Big markets do not include rural Wisconsin. I strongly suspect you’re not from the United States and have no idea what I’m talking about.
>Big markets do not include rural Wisconsin.
No, you would drive to the software store, which existed even in rural Wisconsin. Well, maybe you drive to town, which could take a bit, depending on how you wanted to define rural. But software stores were common even in medium sized towns.
They weren't hard to get or exclusive. You had to drive to the same store to buy a computer or probably the SNES game you wanted which Sears didn't stock anyway. There was nothing elite or exclusive about this practice.
SNK did intend to blow these units out right across America, far and wide, even in rural Wisconsin. And their failure was that, well, it's just too expensive, plus no games.
Yes or no question: Are you from the U.S.?
Yep I grew up in small town Minnesota about a 40 minute drive from Duluth.
And what year were you born?
In other words, everything you’ve just said 100% supports my original claim that the Neo Geo was only sold at specialty retailers in larger metropolitan areas. Walmart was absolutely a thing back in the early 90s btw. I lived in central Pennsylvania and we got one in 1993.
>my original claim that the Neo Geo was only sold at specialty retailers in larger metropolitan areas
We know this isn't true. It was sold at Macys, JCPenny, Toys R Us, and a ton of
video game stores. If a location didn't have it, they could transfer it from another store. It wouldn't take long. They might only had 1 or 2 in stock at the store. But Neo Geo was there.
It was sold at Funcoland. Funcoland had 406 locations nationwide in the USA.
It was sold at EB Games. EB Games had almost 2000 locations.
Many Independently owned and operated game stores had Neo Geo
Finding a Neo Geo wasn't hard if you really wanted one. But most families went with SNES or Sega Genesis.
The limiting factor was always the PRICE. $650 dollars for the console. And around $150 dollars for each game. Most people couldn't afford it or didn't want to spend money on it. It was a luxury console when first launched.
Again, this is all in support of my claim that it was never intended to be sold in small town department stores that did carry the NES, SNES and Genesis.
That's where indie game stores usually came in to fill the gap for small towns. They were either dedicated game stores, or some sort of VHS movie rental store that also sold games. They were everywhere. Even small towns.
And it’s extremely unlikely that places like that would normally have the AES and games regularly in stock. You would have to special order them. Also, those aren’t mainstream local department stores, now are they? You’ve done nothing but support my arguments here.
>And it’s extremely unlikely that places like that would normally have the AES and games regularly in stock.
They would. Usually a small amount compared to nintendo or sega which took up most of the space.
In a small town or even medium town? Nope. You failed to respond to my earlier post here btw
so you can’t bullshit me.
>In a small town or even medium town? Nope.
Wrong.
I grew up in State College, Pennsylvania so not really a small town. You’re full of shit, anon. You never saw a Neo Geo in your hometown.
>You never saw a Neo Geo in your hometown.
my town had neo geo.
cope and seethe.
Mmhmm and where was that?
That's not how businesses operate. SNK marketed the console in America and a super powerful luxury console to show it was more powerful than Nintendo/Sega. But SNK would offer it to any business that was willing to carry it in stock and sell them.
Anon, where was the closest Macy’s to your hometown?
I know anon. Many game stores even video game chains had Neo Geo AES behind the glass. Usually one or two, a handful of games and no playable displays. Because I was the kid that would ask, "Do you have this game on display?" But shortly after release the NeoGeo and Carts disappeared. Maybe they sold and the stores just stopped carrying them or maybe they sent them back after they gathered dust for so long. But the NeoGeo always had a few dozen lines in the Software Etc and EB catalog.
Correct. The vast majority of U.S. sales for Neo Geo stuff came from catalog mail order, not brick and mortar retail.
>Proofs? This sounds made up.
I'm not sure what proof you want? SNK's North American branch closed around 2001. That was 22 years ago. So it's not like I can show you their website. It's long gone. But from my memory, SNK shipped rental Neo Geo AES units in white non-retail boxes. Usually with a colored stripe put on the box (I think it either green or orange but it's been so long its hard to remember). It was to prevent businesses from selling them, and claiming they were "legit" retail units. Also the idea at the time was that game collectors and buyers only wanted "official" retail boxes for their collectons. Not plain looking white rental boxes. So even if a customer stole one, they couldn't resell it. I'm guessing today that would make a Neo Geo AES even more of a valuable collectors item.
Stop replying to that anon.
He's bullshitting the entire thread. If he wasn't bullshitting he would be politely asking for info and not arguing with every anon here.
He knows it was a rental unit. He just wants to make us mad to generate replies.
Also the fact that he said "proofs" instead of proof means he’s probably a bong. Worst and dumbest shitposters on this board by far.
>AdvertisemenT. No "s" on the end of that word to indicate a plural. ONE ad. One time. Once.
So you've gone from saying there's zero evidence
to saying okay maybe there was some stuff. Make up your mind. Your fanfiction is inconsistent.
>While that was indeed the plan, there's zero evidence this actually happened. Zero. It's quite likely that they realized this plan was stupid and decided to sell them as home units instead.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the Midwest of the USA. Gaming shops near me had Neo Geos for rent. So your wrong.
>Gaming shops near me had Neo Geos for rent.
Game shops also rented Super Nintendo and Genesis consoles. That does not mean they were part of an official rental program.
Those shops just bought a Neo Geo and rented it on their own.
>anon angrily makes up a story that Neo Geo was never rented
>everyone ignores it or tells anon he's wrong
>anon tries to get more (yous) by saying no proof exists and it never happened
>everyone laughs at him or ignores post
>anon gets upset his idea isn't generating the responses he wanted
>spins up a new story
>starts arguing with himself
>posts proof disproving his own claim!
>insults everyone and says they are unhelpful for not posting easily Googled proof. Thst he's the only one doing work.
Hmm I wonder what new twist anon will come up with next?
>moron doesn't understand he's talking to more than one anon
Yeah what happened to
>There's zero evidence it's ever used as a rental! None. I've looked everywhere. No evidence!!
Now it's sounds like there is evidence, but anon is still mad.
There are ads from the pre-release and early days of the system. This was accepted as fact from the beginning by anon.
(you) must prove that the promise of those ads actually came to fruition.
If the Neo Geo had a rental program why are there no advertisements from 3rd party stores having it available to rent?
Why are there no anecdotes from Japanese players talking about renting it?
Why did advertisements for the system suddenly stop mentioning the idea of rental in mid-1991?
>Why are there no anecdotes from Japanese players talking about renting it?
Just go on Japanese Twitter. Why are you bothering us?
He knows it was a rental machine. Anon is trying to ragebait us into doing research and spoonfeeding him scans. Probably to add to his scan collection.
IREM was the only company that got destroyed. SNK did a masterful job with the NeoGeo. The only greater arcade machine in the history of arcades was Capcom's CPS2. Sega's Naomi wins a bronze.
>The only greater arcade machine in the history of arcades was Capcom's CPS2
The Neo Geo MVS actually outsold Capcom's CPS2. The Neo Geo was that profitable for the company. It was still profitable into the early 2000s, and even the Executives running the company were surprised at how long the system lasted. SNK even extended the warranty and support of the Neo Geo MVS due to the popularity of the machine.
>DESTROYED THE COMPANY
No.
AES was just a side project.
Hyper Neo Geo 64 did more damage.
But really SNK died a death of a thousand small cuts.
Also their handhelds, which cost a fortune to develop and manufacture and which received very little interest.
handhelds don't cost a fortune to develop as they use super dumb simple hardware.
Hyper Neogeo 64 probably lost them twenty times more money given that it was stupidly complex even for an arcade machine. It makes the Sega Saturn look as simple as a famicom.
I wish I could have gotten into Neo Geo collecting before it was ruined by coomlectors and those guidos.
Where is a good place to buy a decent conditioned MV1C? I don't want to resport to aliexpress and my money stolen.
Hey guys, I was playing the Sengoku series of games (1+2) from NeoGeo in MAME, that goofy beat-em up Burning Fight, and King of the Monsters 1+2.
You can argue all the weird points about Neo Geo but fuk it. Many of the games are fun to play and beat in a hour or so.
Patiently waiting on direct evidence that the Neo Geo rental program was put into service.
Here is a Neo Geo ad from Gamest #65 published in November 1991.
No mention is made of the system being available for rental.
I'm chuckling at how off base you are.
I don't care.
I know the rental units are labeled to have been sold in 1990.
In fact I was about to follow up with images from that year's game machine magazine showing how there is more than one advertisement talking about the Neo Geo rental program.
You see, I actually post useful content on this board.
Unlike you, who just makes vague shitposts.
I want to zero in on the time period when rental stopped being an advertisment talking point.
This ad is from the July 1st, 1990 issue of Gamest Magazine. The text talks about the Neo Geo being a rental unit. Machine translated it says:
>The "Neo Geo" rental system offers games that are identical to the "Multivideo System" for rent. Linked to the "Multi-Video System" with a memory card. Super-class game worlds are condensed into a compact box. Up to wholesale megabytes of data memory for unprecedented power and excitement.
>Save your progress and continue the game at any time.
>NEO-CEO" also has a consulting room.
>Memory card for storing game data. You can save your game data to a memory card, which can be used on a multi-video system, a NeoCeo rental system, or a computer system, and can be used for continuous play. It is easy to continue playing the same game on a multi-video system, a NeoGeo rental system, or a computer system.
Lmao. Are you...upset...that we aren't taking your bait?
>You see, I actually post useful content on this board.
>Unlike you, who just makes vague shitposts.
There's nothing to debate...lmao. 1990 wasn't that long ago. Plenty of people are still alive who lived through that era. The whole game community knows it was rental system. This whole fanfiction story you've come up with is bizzarre but also funny.
Post one (1) actual piece of direct evidence that the rental system was ever put into practice. An anecdote from a Japanese person who utilized it. Or an advertisement from someone other than SNK that doesn't just allude to its existence but actually puts down a price. There should be all kinds of ads from Japanese game stores in the time period with the Neo Geo and the rental price in the sales flyer.
I've looked through many, many issues of Gamest and through the dozens of shops selling the AES I have not seen one ad that offered it for rental.
>Or an advertisement from someone other than SNK
It's almost like anon knows there are SNK ads that talk about the Neo Geo being a rental, and he doesnt like it.
So he comes up with these weird rules for us to play his game.
Yeah. Not doing it.
>posting my own image I ripped and posted here months ago as evidence against me
lol
lmao even
That image is one of the very earliest Neo Geo advertisements they put out. This whole discussion is about how that image promises something SNK decided to cancel.
Do you think the Ultra 64 came out too?
There were advertisements for it after all.
>image promises something SNK decided to cancel.
Proof?
So you want us to avoid posting SNK official advetisements and use third party ads made by random gaming stores in Japan during the 1990s in order to officially prove that SNK did Neo Geo rentals for people in the 1990s?
What kind of weird backward ass illogical request is this?
He just wants to crowdsource vintage advertisements for his scan collection.
He's telling us not to use snk ads because he has them all already.
The SNK ads from the early Neo Geo are promising something, but there is no evidence that was ever delivered.
The burden of proof is you now to prove it was, especially since you insist it is something "everbody knows".
If it's so easy surely the evidence must be right there a google search away. You should have been able to end this a long time ago with a simple link.
>neo geo
AEfrickinS
>AES BIOS, japan region
>all blood and tiddy bounce
>no countdown timer on most character select screens
>limited continues, only the actual good gamers need apply
im thinkin BASED
The AES is the cuck version of the Neo.
You should try to simulate the arcade set-up.
Neo Geo Advertisement from Gamest 56 in April 1991.
There is a mention of the Neo Geo being available at local game centers and video rental stores.
Extra note: this ad also says the Neo Geo AES has sold out at many locations so SNK is offering it through the mail now. That's what the form in the lower right corner is about.
>1 rpg
There is? Are you talking about pseudo-Punchout-like Crossed Swords?
I think that the only rpgs neo geo made were the Samurai Spirits and King of Fighters: Kyo for Neo Geo CD.
Crossed swords is closer to a punch out clone or a shooter than an RPG.
Forum posts claim the Neo Geo AES that came in this plain looking box were the rental units.
But no direct sources provided.
An interesting thread:
https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/a-sensational-discovery.139523/
How many games did CPS1 have?
And another thread which features a rental system:
https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/neo-geo-green-stripes-system-second-controller.253658/
Which lead me to a nice collection of neo scans
http://sebastianmihai.com/downloads/ngscans/?C=N;O=D
cont.
Did you know that Sega intended to rent consoles too? I know this because I saw one for rent at Blockbuster, thus it must have been a critical part of the plan when they designed the Master System.
Anon won't be satisfied until he can build a time machine and travel back to 1990 and interview the CEO of SnK himself and demand proof that Neo Geos were rented. Nothing else will satisfy his autism.
There's no proof of any kind that they were. There's one (1) ad from the introduction times of the Neo-Geo claiming that it was a plan of theirs. There is no other evidence at all that this happened, let alone actual PROOF.
It's just something that western zoomer trannies made up in the past couple years, extrapolating marketing copy into a "real life" head canon.
Yes. Let your OCD rage and consume you. The Neo Geo was never a rental system. Only you know the truth. You are unique and special.
>The Neo Geo was never a rental system.
Not as far as anybody can prove. There's one (1) ad from when the Neo Geo was introduced, saying it "will" happen. No further evidence.
My question is, what do you get by spreading rumors about it actually being for rent? Seems like a weird hill to die on. You have thirty seconds to give me three reasons why you're so obsessed with spreading this mal/mis/disinformation.
lmao. try harder.
>try harder
Why won't you answer the question? What do you gain by spreading the lie that this rental program actually happened? It didn't you know.
Your a grown ass man in 2023 fake shitposting about something that happened in 1990.
Bruh....
It's just one of what I suspect are many falsehoods which are spread by the gaymen community. I won't tolerate it.
>There's one (1) ad from the introduction times of the Neo-Geo claiming that it was a plan of theirs.
Multiple ads have been posted in this thread anon.
In Japan and the USA it was rented out. I don't know for how long in Japan but I remember people renting NGs for parties in the early 90s.
NG was primarily meant for the arcade market and marketed towards yuppies who wanted the arcade experience at home.
>the experts on neo-geo's history are zoomers who thought wal-mart was where people bought software in 1992 and don't know about the formerly flourishing local software and video game store and computer store industry which is now defunct
This is what the board has become.
I was born in 1982 and stores like Walmart, K-Mart and shoutout to Hills were mostly where we bought video games in the 90s because I didn’t live in a larger population area that had a Babbages or Funcoland. Our local mall had an Electronics Boutique, but you would have had to special order a Neo Geo from them.
>Walmart, K-Mart and shoutout to Hills were mostly where we bought video games in the 90s
Well yeah. Those stories didn't carry them. Savemart had Neo Geo. Walmart did not.
Savemart located where?
Go back to 1990 and give Savemart a call. Im sure they can give you an answer
Mmhmm.
Also I was born in 1980.
How many fricking times is this anon going to repeat himself in every damn neo geo thread. Here's a list of places that sold neo geo.
EB games
Babbages
toys r us
compusa
macy's
jcpenny
savemart
Funcoland
software etc
FAO Schwarz
Incredible Universe
The Wiz
Circuit City
KB Toys
etc
By the mid 90s the neo geo had spread to a bunch of places beyond that Stop. Stop fricking have the same conversation in every damn neo geo thread. stop replying to the moron anon who spends his days camping /vr/ and looking for neo geo threads to argue about "where the neo geo was sold" and 'if it was really a rental'. Its moronic and cringe.
All of those places you’ve listed are stores that would primarily be found in larger metropolitan areas. That’s the argument here.
Yup, I lived in a smol mountain town of about 5000 people. We had to go to Reno to get anything besides what the local all the best video had.
Same with many extremely rural or small places, people used to visit stores or shop out of catalogs all the time before the Internet.
OP is the moron claiming that the AES could’ve somehow directly competed with the 16-bit consoles via "economy of scale" which is just stupid considering it would’ve been like 1995/1996 by the time it could have reasonably been anywhere near the same price range as the SNES/Genesis were circa 1992. That’s not even taking into account the Neo Geo cartridges, which like the SNES, utilized custom chipsets to achieve things the base hardware couldn’t.
>OP is the moron claiming that the AES could’ve somehow directly competed with the 16-bit consoles via "economy of scale" which is just stupid considering it would’ve been like 1995/1996 by the time it could have reasonably been anywhere near the same price range as the SNES/Genesis were circa 1992.
It's more about the price, which itself prevented the system from taking off thus generating the kind of economy of scale that the SNES and Genesis were taking advantage of.
$200-300 even for a game? $200 for the memory card? SNES and Genesis carts had the memory built in with cartridges which could require it. Controllers cost a fortune too.
If they had launched with the CD format and been an early player in that space, and kept the cart format for a premium option such as you'd find at a store like Cartier, and let the plebs eat the CD loading times in exchange for having the same software? It might have been different. But SNK didn't do that until later, and they admitted it was just to capture a bigger market because the price of the carts was too high. Neo-Geo CD games were $40-60 which was still a bit more than a PSX game and about the same as Saturn games. But it was too late and there was almost no new software for Neo-Geo CD, as they still didn't bother to try to get third party devs onboard.
Correct. The Neo Geo was always sold as a high end console for a select market of buyers. It was never meant to directly compete with Sega and Nintendo and was only ever meant to play SNK’s games.
>The Neo Geo was always sold as a high end console for a select market of buyers.
While it was available everywhere, few bought it other than the very well heeled or fans with autism for a particular game.
It wasn't designed to be exclusive, nor was it intended to be. It wasn't made out of exotic materials. It was more expensive, as were the games, the memory card, etc. which meant that only a few people would buy it, even among those who could afford it.
In those days in the USA you'd be much more likely to upgrade your PC, which if you had a Neo-Geo you probably also had, with a 3D GPU so you could play those kinds of games.
Emulation had also arrived by 1995 and by 1998 or so it was common for people to have a PC that could emulate the Neo-Geo, and MAME was very early in supporting it.
In those days too people were running Genecyst and NESticle which were quick and dirty emulators which eventually worked pretty accurately with most games. Assuming you had the PC to run 'em. MAME was even more demanding but by 1998 as I said, any old PC would run the Neo-Geo ROMs at full speed.
>In those days in the USA you'd be much more likely to upgrade your PC, which if you had a Neo-Geo you probably also had, with a 3D GPU so you could play those kinds of games.
Bro, the AES launched in North America in 1991. People in the USA weren’t "upgrading their 3D GPUs" until around 1998.
>Bro, the AES launched in North America in 1991. People in the USA weren’t "upgrading their 3D GPUs" until around 1998.
Nope but they were buying VGA PCs with 486's and Sound Blasters. It was a different market but the money intersected. Indeed though later on, the Neo-Geo was "competing" with home computers 100 times or even more as powerful. It grew to be awfully long in the tooth by the time SNK went software-only.
Great system... for 1991. Too bad it was so expensive. A launch with a CD version and much more tolerable pricing could have saved 'em in the long run.
The whole point of the AES was that it could run SNK’s MVS arcade cartridges at home for a select clientele that wanted to pay a premium for such a thing. It wasn’t meant to compete with anything really. It was literally made solely for hardcore SNK arcade fans.
>The whole point of the AES was that it could run SNK’s MVS arcade cartridges at home
yes
>for a select clientele that wanted to pay a premium for such a thing
Well, no, I think they intended to really launch hard and get those units out there. The RAM / ROM chip prices skyrocketing right after the launch and through the next couple years also probably hurt them badly. RAM and ROM chips became very expensive because of some disaster in Taiwan. It was a huge deal at the time and severely hurt many industries and businesses and consumers. CD-based console would have saved their asses if they had a proper geomancer in the company to warn them about upcoming tectonic movements affecting the ROM chips they desperately needed to become cheaper to sell their carts.
That makes no sense, anon. Their MVS arcade units were a huge success, so that means fans were able to buy secondhand arcade cartridges for use at home if they wanted. That’s why official AES cartridges with real labels on them are so much more expensive.
>Their MVS arcade units were a huge success
Nobody said otherwise.
>so that means fans were able to buy secondhand arcade cartridges for use at home if they wanted
This was never part of their grand scheme even from the get-go.
>That’s why official AES cartridges with real labels on them are so much more expensive.
No that's coomlecting that did that.
No, that’s simply not true. Official AES cartridges had much more limited production runs, especially outside of Japan.
>Official AES cartridges had much more limited production runs
Yes but containing the same data, and differing only in being intended for the cabs, the additional value is merely notional. It's like having the special gold-foil plated Zelda cartridge. The game isn't better or anything, it's just special just because.
Right, which is why SNK made the AES. So it would be completely compatible with the arcade cartridges like I said.
That's not why they made it. They made the home console version so they could amortize the cost after realizing that the rental program idea was nuts. They probably made them all up for the rental program and then realized, hey, we can't rent this shit out for whatever Japanese reason. Then they sold them. Interestingly there are no specially marked rental units as manufactured.
In any event they did want to sell a lot of these, they just failed to. Should have gone with the CD for the home plebs at Toys-R-Us
A CD-based home console in 1991 would’ve still have been prohibitively expensive. Like I said here
the AES was way ahead of the mainstream 16-bit consoles in 1991, but would’ve been considered outdated once the 32/64-bit consoles launched in the mid-90s. There’s no reality where any SNK hardware could’ve directly competed with the SNES or Genesis.
>They made the home console version so they could amortize the cost after realizing that the rental program idea was nuts.
No anon. The AES used the same hardware as the MVS. The MVS was extremely profitable for the company. Their initial investment to make the AES was negligible, and they could use the same factories that were producing the MVS boards to also make the AES boards.
The rental program launched in Japan in 1990, and it was feedback from participants in the AES rental program that SNK realized they had enough customers interested in actually buying the AES. So selling the AES could fill a niche segment of the video game market. So SNK added the option for customers to buy the AES the following year.
>The AES used the same hardware as the MVS.
No it didn't, it had a different board. It used the same ARCHITECTURE but the products were different in substantial ways.
Which store is etc?
almost bought a neogeo cd (not-z) before playstation because of all the neogeo fighters
will always be kino
At the time the Neo Geo AES was launched the competition wasn't really from the video game consoles so much as it was from the consumer choosing which high-dollar electronics item they wanted to add to their household.
The competition would be things like personal computers, laserdisc players, and C-band satellite dishes + receivers.
The Neo Geo target consumer is a male between the ages 16-35 with some money to burn on a big electronics purchase. Either because they have a well paying job or because they saved all year long.
Forgot the most tempting choice: a big screen TV.
Those were not cheap in the early 90s. If you're about to blow $800 + tax on some personal electronics the huge 32" or bigger TV you've always dreamed about is probably going to be near the top of the list.
MVS carts and AES carts are differently designed and not cross compatible (without a 3rd party adapter). SNK didn't want people to buy cheaper MVS carts for their AES.
SNK marketed the AES like a high end piece of electronics equipment. That's why its sleek and black. To fit into people's home theater setups, and look like it belongs with all the other high end stereo and theater equipment. To appeal to rich people in the 80s and 90s who usually spent tens of thousands of dollars on their home theater setup. That's how it was marketed in Japan and Asia.
But SNK was never opposed to the idea of the AES being a huge hit and selling like the SNES or Genesis. Deep down SNK probably secretly hoped it would happen. It just never did because the AES was too expensive, and SNK couldn't get the price down. So while the AES sold well enough to make a profit for the company, it remained a niche console product. Overshadowed in sales by cheaper consoles. The high price kept it out of the hands of the general public.
If you were middle class and wanted to play Neo Geo, then you went to the arcade and played the Neo Geo MVS Cabinet that was widely popular at the time.
>MVS carts and AES carts are differently designed and not cross compatible (without a 3rd party adapter).
You’re thinking of the Sega Master System and Genesis/Mega Drive. MVS and AES carts are the same thing.
moron
MVS cartridges are exactly the same thing as AES cartridges. Claiming otherwise is lying or trolling.
>doubling down on being moronic
NGMI
MVS and AES carts contain the same data but the edge connector is different. You can't stick an MVS cart into an AES without an adapter, and vice versa.
Yes, the roms are exactly the same, I already stated this. But the PCB's inside the carts were completely different as was the physical form factor. The AES also had a protection chip.
MVS to AES is a breeze. Not so much in reverse.
>MVS cartridges are exactly the same thing as AES cartridges. Claiming otherwise is lying or trolling.
Can you please stop with the baiting and lame attempts at winding people up? We're having a nice Neo Geo conversation without you needing to do this.
Yeah I just caught on, other anon was right. He is a moron, not giving him anymore (you)'s.
Yeah I'm done with this thread. Could have been a cool historical Neo Geo thread with some nice discussions. I even have some rare scans in my Neo Geo collection I was thinking of sharing. Instead it's filled with lame baiting and cheap attempts at trying to make people annoyed. Anon ruined it. Time to move on.
OP claiming that the AES was ever intended to be a mainstream fourth gen console was already bait, let’s be real.
Only the actual roms were the same, the design of the pcbs wasnt different and had protection on them so (ironically) people didn't buy the (at the time) cheaper MVS titles to play on the AES.
The actual physical cart form factor was also different.
*the design of the pcbs was different
>You’re thinking of the Sega Master System and Genesis/Mega Drive. MVS and AES carts are the same thing.
An MVS cart will not fit into an AES console.