>17 level gap with no where to grind

>17 level gap with no where to grind
is that why people think this shit is hard

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is victory road
    >what is the elite 4
    have you played the game by any chance?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's true tho, they even nerf cynthia's levels in platinum

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what is the Elite 4
      you have to keep bashing your head against the wall and losing money until your levels are high enough to beat Cynthia
      (or you can just set up against Spiritomb)

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lucian is as strong as Cynthia is tbh. Lucian is really slept on.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          that Alakazam set is insane for single player, perfect coverage and Energy Ball

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          His Bronzong only being weak to fire in a game with no fire types is actually pretty fricking crazy, shit even has earthquake for coverage just to frick you over if you have one of them.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This shit is easy as balls. Nothing compared to Red

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This shit is easy as balls. Nothing compared to Red
      >Red
      >le PIKACHU MAN
      kek lmao
      even Cynthias old DPPT/BW2 teams mog Red, much less the BDSP one

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Red without grinding is insane. You get there in your late 40s and his team is all around level 75, and all good pokemon with good moves besides Pikachu. Probably the only fight in the franchise where grinding is actually required to some extent, which is why the game gives you high level, easy to grind on wild mons in the area where Red is. There are actually some wild mons that will be higher level than you on mt silver

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        > You get there in your late 40s
        Huh?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not Red’s Charizard.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh I get it that’s the level you’re at for Lance.
            I’ll have to replay HGSS but in Crystal for Lance I was in my late 30s/early 40s.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The mons in Mt Silver are legitimately perfect level, they cap out at around 50 which is exactly where you’ll want to be for the red fight. That said, with smart exp investment it’s not hard to get a team of 6 to level 50 before Red, in HGSS you’ll probably be around 60 in fact, which is likely why they raised his levels.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Probably the only fight in the franchise where grinding is actually required to some extent
        Absolutely not, use the items you have access too to get the advantage

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vs. Seeker exists.
    Plus, Cynthia's DP AI is very bad. She'll constantly just use random moves.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      vs seeker against fricking who you moron

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The people you've already beaten along the way? You know, literally any trainer in the main game?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Using random moves is often worse, because it means you can't predict and react to 100% of their actions

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plus it’s only random when the trainer uses direct attacks, and they don’t use ineffective moves. So it won’t just randomly use a useless status move or earthquake your flying type.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    people think it’s hard because they’re fricking morons who wasted exp training 6+ pokemon evenly the entire game so by the time they get to cynthia they don’t have a single pokemon above lv50.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Not a single pokemon above lv50
      Sounds like a skill issue Anon.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 1 enemy movesets are so bad lol

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gen 1 movesets are just their level up moves, there is no actual movesets designated for them

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          there’s a few instances of custom moves, like the rival’s Blastoise having Blizzard

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and in all of those cases it's only one custom move on one Pokémon and the move must always replace the third moveslot. The sole exception is the champion, who gets two special moves (Sky Attack on Pidgeot, and either Mega Drain, Fire Blast, or Blizzard on his starter). True custom movesets weren't possible until Yellow.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I must admit that the fissure sandshrew did get me once

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Why always the third slot

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Probably because Brock’s Onix would have two moves without Bide

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Mega Drain
              one of these things is not like the others

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s basically the only grass type TM in gen 1.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Couldn’t it have been SolarBeam?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure it has solar beam anyway via level up.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wait until you learn about every single non Sinnoh rival fight

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yellow significantly improved them.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >with no where to grind
    Play the game.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    homie, gyarados sweeps with ice fang and waterfall at al of level 55
    Just dragon dance till +6 on her spiritomb since it cant 2hko you from full

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    to have trouble with cynthia, you:
    >have to not understand how setup moves work
    >have to not understand how x items work
    >have to not understand how revives work
    >have to not understand how defensive pokemon work
    >have to not understand basic exp management
    all simultaneously. This is a bit too much to ask for the average DS zoomer.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is every game though

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't see hoenngays pretending steven or wallace are hard. Maybe their IQ is higher than DSgays.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Steven is the second most popular champion newbie, people do praise his fight.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          They don't have to pretend because steven and wallace are pitifully weak compared to Cynthia

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              They were firing on all cylinders in Gen 4 and 5. Wish Pokemon could go back to those highs

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        True. Which is why every Pokemon game's difficulty should be USUM tier at minimum.
        moron kids have shit like the buffed X-items, Affection bonuses, and a multitude of other shit such as Picnics being mobile Pokemon Centers with barely any resource use.
        These things should be reasons why we should have sprawling dungeons and fights that utilize more strategy than a singular typing. Yes, the most recent games don't do this.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >using set up moves and x items
      homosexual alert

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP EXPLOTING THE EXTREMELY FLAWED AI
        What's with Cynthiagays dismissing all the holes in her fights (whether it be DPPT, BW, or BDSP) because of game mechanic that are either not present in Battle Facilities or Doubles?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          "It's hard, I swear. You just have to ignore half the game"

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          X items cheese everything to be fair.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honest question, did a DSchad frick your mother or something? It's incredible how genuinely obsessed you are with them.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Discord user

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >using items in battle
      Do kalosperms really. Yeah man sorry Sinnoh doesn’t give you free legendaries in the early game

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see hoenngays pretending steven or wallace are hard. Maybe their IQ is higher than DSgays.

      discord posts

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need all that shit to beat Cynthia? Then maybe she's not that easy

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all simultaneously
        reading must be hard for a moron who thinks cynthia is difficult, huh?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >needing x items and revives
      found the shitter lol

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >thinking cynthia is difficult
        found the even more moronic shitter lol

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's also the fact that the supposedly scariest mon on her team in DPPt is horrendously weak to getting Intimidated, and Sinnoh hands you strong Intimidate mons like candy.
      Staraptor, the most common mon in the game on land routes craps on most of Cynthia's team and can cripple Garchomp with a switch-in.
      Luxray, another mon that's super common can beat most of her mons too, and do pivot Intimidate-switches on Garchomp.
      And Gyarados is of course the most common water-type, and sets up entirely for free on Spiritomb, but even if you don't feel like bothering with that, it can still just switch in on Chomp and neuter it.
      At least for BDSP, they put Swords Dance on Chomp to stop this from happening.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Low and behold, the Cynthia seether having another meltdown.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lo*
      If you're gonna use archaic turns of phrase, spell the archaic words right.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play Platinum instead, it's a 12 level gap there. You also have Route 223 and Victory Road to get some EXP from, and the random EVs you've gotten should help narrow the gap in stats

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do the levels ramp up for the final bosses?
    Gee, I wonder. The E4 are supposed to be the strongest trainers in Sinnoh, for that to make sense Aaron had to be at least as strong as Volkner, and they only get stronger from there. You legitimately don’t need to be much higher than level 50 in order to beat her.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember getting chills as a kid when I first got to Aaron. Sinnoh is by far my favorite E4.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I do definitely think that the Sinnoh E4 is pretty slept on, they make full use of the amazing coverage and high BP stab moves that gen 4 is known for.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because
          >first member is a fricking bug user in the region with the best regional bird that everyone used
          >second and third members get destroyed by literally any one of the 1000000 water types you have spamming surf
          The only memorable parts are Lucian and Cynthia and Lucian was a joke for any kid who picked Infernape.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And Lucian was a joke for any kid who picked Infernape

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              that part was his bait

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                WELL IT WAS FRICKING moronic AND HE SHOULD KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE IT WAS moronic AND UNFUNNY

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >first member is a fricking bug user in the region with the best regional bird that everyone used
            Aaron has rock and ice moves for coverage
            >second and third members get destroyed by literally any one of the 1000000 water types you have spamming surf
            Bertha and Flint have electric and grass moves and Bertha has water/ground mons

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Me when I blow wet shit out of my ass.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah i found him the most forgettable elite 4 member in the series

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >elite four member uses 2 early game shitmons
        diamond and pearl had terrible trainer teams

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          No game besides Platinum ever had better trainer teams before post game rematches.
          You can say they’re bad but that’s definitely not true by game freak standards.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Agatha and lance use NFE in gen 1
          >Bruno uses Onix, Koga has Ariados, and Karen uses Murkrow in gen 2
          >Phoebe uses Sableye, while Glacia and Drake use NFE in gen 3
          This was standard practice back then. The E4 always relied on being massively high level for their advantage.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >sends out Route 1 shitmon

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol even with his weaker DP team Aaron would rape any other regions E4

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's another anti-cynthia schizo thread
    Jesus, how did all the people on this discord cabal end up so mindbroken by her?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >everything I don’t like is discord
      So so far Discord “cabals” are to blame for the following
      >people not liking Unova
      >people not liking Johto
      >people not liking Cynthia
      Want to add any other moronic conspiracy theories, Anon-kun? How about we fill in the blank spots in the Gens and say that anyone who thinks Maxie and Archie’s plans were stupid is ALSO an evil Discord cultist?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes discordgays are indeed colossal homosexuals and so are you for defending them but of course you are a homosexual you're one of them

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Garchomp having a hard to hit weakness also made it hard. Dragon was nonexistent and Ice types got wrecked. Needed a tanky pokemon with Ice Beam to really threaten

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you need to grind, you're bad.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >with no where to grind
    >entire victory road
    >4 elite 4 members
    Btw there’s actually 0 need for grinding, you’re just bad.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >She needs to grind in Pokemon games.

    I would kill myself if I would have such issues.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact Cynthia leads with Spiritomb makes her much easier in practice than on paper. You can use just X-Attack and X-Speed for the first several turns, heal up with potions, then sweep her team even if yours is super underleveled.
    >what is Embargo
    A move she'll never use for some reason.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like how in gen 5 they realized Spiritomb was set up bait so they have it spam Double Team at the start. Delightfully devilish.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just X-Attack and X-Speed for the first several turns, heal up with potions
      filtered

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >final boss literally cheats
        >you re not allowed to have advantage

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Spiritomb is setup bait
    >Milotic is a non issue
    >Roserade is a non issue
    >Lucario is a MIXED FRAIL ATTACKER. So you can just rape with Infernape/Torterra
    >Gastrodon is a non issue
    >Garchomp dies to a single Ice Punch from anything that learns it.

    How the frick do you DS zoomers still struggle with this shit? I can understand the BDSP rematch to be pretty hard but fricking this shit? The frick is wrong with you guys.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      (You)’re actually strategizing instead of playing like a kid

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lucario is a MIXED FRAIL ATTACKER
      Imagine misunderstanding and misusing a meme this hard, lurk more you fricking Black person

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It literally is a FRAIL Mixed attacker tho. I didn't include SLOW because 90 base speed is slightly above average speed. So who's really the dumb Black person here?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The term is mixed attacker so putting frail in the middle of it makes no sense
          And more importantly what is funny about slow frail mixed attackers is specifically that they lack both the speed to outspeed you and the bulk to tank your hits so they die without their attacking stats ever mattering making them shitmons. Lucario is fast so applying the meme to it makes zero sense, the term you’re looking for is glass cannon

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly, I would classify Lucario as a SFMA. A borderline case maybe.
          Base 90 speed isn't slow, but it isn't fast either, it's not a good speed tier for something with such low defenses and the points split between its two offenses leave it too weak on either side without a boost. But it has trouble boosting because it«s too frail and it has trouble sweeping because it's too slow even if it does. It's just kind of a mediocre wallbreaker.
          It has all the hallmark problems of a slow frail mixed attacker.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            What you say is true but only for compgays, in-game Cynthia’s Lucario is so high level that 90 is enough to outspeed the vast majority of things. Also 110/115 offences are fricking great.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I suppose.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lucario is a fast sweeper, but i do agree that it's not as fast as some others.
            It gets extreme speed though

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It literally is a FRAIL Mixed attacker tho. I didn't include SLOW because 90 base speed is slightly above average speed. So who's really the dumb Black person here?

      70/70/70 isn’t even particularly frail especially with the steel type. Being a fast mixed attacker is good enough in and of itself, hence why we’re mocking you for specifying frailty btw, the only reason SFMA is a meme is precisely being slow AND frail doesn’t work, but being one or the other is perfectly fine.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        70/70/70 is paper dude
        Unless we think Ariados is tanky lol

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can tell you’re smogonite lol. 70/70/70 is perfectly fine when the player is much lower level than you and only has access to the mons in the regional dex

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can beat her with Pokemon in the low 50's, considering she has no EVs.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they give you a free Choice Specs it's completely piss easy

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      And how are you supposed to know that without a guide?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        talk to npcs zoomzoom

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And how are you supposed to know that without a guide?
        you dont

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