this, fictional vampires are organized and shit, irl vampires are the old man that lives alone in the middle of nowhere and refused to interact outside of his closest generations
This is most video games though. I think one of the more realistic portrayals is the movie Near Dark where the vampires are just miserable traveling murder hobos.
Being a vampire was really cool up until around the 1990's, after that technology started to frick everything up, cell phones, then widespread internet, security cameras, smart phones, drones, satelite tracking, government registrations, id, passports, etc, makes everything 100x more difficult than in the past when you could just drift from place to place.
>It makes being a vampire seem way better than it is in real life
actually the opposite is the case. It makes vampires look like having to deal with the exact same shit like humans do. The worst part is when you figure out you aren't as strong as you think you are.
So VtMB isn't one then? Cause it's got barely any 'emergent behavior.' It's closer to what they're describing as a computer role-playing game with it's "pre-scripted menu options... trying to pass off as 'conversations,'" and copying the mechanics of a literal paper role-playing game.
That's not to say Vampire's bad. I fricking love it and it's one of my favorite games ever other than the shit bits. But if this is the actual explanation of 'immersive sims,' (or immersive reality or whatever the frick) then that pretty much confirms VtMB isn't one.
how can it be one of your favorite games and you haven't used the environment to your advantage ? I beat it in 2018 and only once, I liked it and thought it was a solid 8.5/10, it may not be the best designed imsimm but it definitely is one
>and you haven't used the environment to your advantage ?
You really can't in VtMB though? Yeah you can use stealth but you can use stealth in most other wrpgs. That's kinda it. Yeah you're got different approaches based on your character class and what attribute points you put into things... but that's because it's an RPG.
How close to the original vision of the developers is the patch that adds all the "restored" content? Does it just add some already finished missions, NPCs and items hidden in the files or is it some shitty reconstruction attempt made by unskilled modders who found some unfinished scraps of that was supposed to be additional content for the game? Like does the content that get's added feel out of place and you notice a drop in quality or does it fit in neatly with the base game?
>How close to the original vision of the developers is the patch that adds all the "restored" content?
Not remotely, it veered into fanfiction years ago
You'd have to find versions of the patch from almost a decade ago at this point. Even back then he was getting way too carried away with altering the assets already in the game.
Things like the extra rooms in Grout's mansion are literally fanfics. The moving mannequins are just something the modders thought would be so heckin epic to include
If the entire game was as good as Santa Monica I would consider it the second best immersive sim just below the first Deus Ex, but sadly it falls off. It's not like the main story get's worse, but it begins lacking side content.
Melee is so bad it nearly ruins the game but the subpar FPS is tolerable
I played Gangrel first and enjoyed the story stuff but the combat was so annoying, went Malk second to take in the changes but more importantly playing with bullet time and guns didn't make me want to uninstall it
I just played this for the first time. I appreciated that it has no hand-holding. Let me wander around lost in the city for a bit. This was how they made games back before corporate ESG suits contemptuous of gamers were put in charge of everything
First playthrough and I'm playing as Tremere and I read I could get a new haven from Strauss after doing the plaguebearer and gargoyle quests, which I did. I also didn't tell Isaac that Strauss created the gargoyle, but for some reason I can't tell Strauss that I managed the gargoyle problem and the quest is not active anymore for me. I also read I should have gotten an item from Strauss when telling him about the gargoyle for the first time but I didn't get anything. Could that be the reason?
I don't know what your problem was but I couldn't get the unique apartment either when I played my first and only playthrough as Tremere, but my problem was not doing the Tremere quest right away and doing the other quests first.
>hear about how the snuff film stuff is like super dark and creepy >turns out it's about some vampire version of yakub creating some goofy geodude looking monsters in his basement
Yeah nah ocean house was a much better and scarier mission
>If it ever ships I hope it's Duke Nukem Forever bad. It'd suck if it were just mid.
Duke Nukem Forever wasn't truly bad though. It was just bellow middling. I'd rather VtMB2 came out Daikatana (on launch) levels of bad. That'd be a true, blue fricking trainwreck
The amount of jeanette porn out there is criminally low and i wanna know why. I want to know why alex from fricking minecraft has ten times more rule34 than vampire britney spears in a loose schoolgirl outfit
so I'm old as frick but I never played Deus Ex because my PC back then was a pile of shit. I got around to it this year finally (better late than never) and I can say that while I like Bloodlines more (likely because I love urban fantasy set in modern times and I played it first) I really saw how much it took from DX1.
There really wouldn't be a VtM without it I think.
Not to mention the attitude
Jeanette is a girl that sucks your dick in the first date, but then wants to pay for three expensive diners before she finally puts out
Therese needs to be romanced because she's lying to herself that she isn't a horny bawd. You need to slowly push her until she breaks, after that you'll be nailing on tope of her office desk
Therese would never have sex with anyone due to the filth she associates with it with her "sister" and the trauma of her father.
I have a question though, she said she Embraced her sister, even though they are the same body, and have the same Vitae. So if Jeanette say, ordered Vandal, Therese's Ghoul to do something would he feel compelled to do it? does he feel the same compulsion for her on a regular basis? or does the fact they believe they are different people warp the rules?
>Therese would never have sex with anyone due to the filth she associates with it with her "sister" and the trauma of her father.
Nonsense. If she was as prude as she thinks she is she wouldn't go out there with her breasts out and no bra. She's just coy.
>I have a question though, she said she Embraced her sister, even though they are the same body, and have the same Vitae. So if Jeanette say, ordered Vandal, Therese's Ghoul to do something would he feel compelled to do it? does he feel the same compulsion for her on a regular basis? or does the fact they believe they are different people warp the rules?
The latter. Rules vary and the Storyteller System has a lot of leeway for story snd roleplaying (that's why VtM is memed as the RPG theater kids play). But much how UV light doesn't hurt you, even though the sun does, it's the Jeanette personality that embraced Vandal and thus the one he'll respond to >or is this something I should go to /tg/ for?
Nah, it's a boring place now
>until she breaks
you mean until she gets comfortable to begin sitting in your presence, having her nose booped and reading e-mails together
To be healed she needs (you) to have an absurd amount of patience. Fortunately, time is an ally
the leglocking, tears of joy sex is amazing tho
Hello Ganker. You're up way past your bedtime aren't you?
>dat resolution
2004?
lmao
are malkavians the only vampires that have sex for fun?
some may complain good porn only appeared after 2 decades but at least there's good porn
how does a vampire deal with ghost?
this mission perfectly communicated the "you are not top dog" feel after wiping the floor with everyone you met thus far
>9/10 games
Are you moronic? Bloodlines has a lot going for it but the level design and actual gameplay is fricking awful. Not just mediocre. Fricking awful. This is not a 9/10 game. It's a 7/10 game at best and that's entirely due to the writing. If anyone else had written this game it'd be considered a complete dud.
I played the game patched, without the german """features""" and new music unlocked, so I got the best version so far
>To be healed she needs (you) to have an absurd amount of patience. Fortunately, time is an ally
Jeanette would get bored of you, when you stop being the new thing
VV can't never be happy with you, because as a Toreador she needs to larp her star crossed lovers routine
But Therese is the path to true happiness
I think my favorite thing is that your clan choice really adds a lot of narrative fluff to the story paths you take, like how playing a Tremere just adds an entire layer to the Camarilla ending about how you are going to be brought into the fold of the Pyramid and be made the personal acolyte of Strauss after he overthrows LaCroix.
It depends if you consider an unofficial patch a mod; It needs that to play with fear of softlocks and gamebreaking bugs/crashes. Even the old devs acknowledge and recommend it, so it's basically official anyway. A lot of people will tell you not to use the plus patch the first go round, but it's really up to you.
Beyond that though there's no "Must Have" mods really. If you fall in love like so many others have though, you'll eventually want to add a little pep to the old step after enough replays. The big ones are easily to find, though vary a lot in quality.
Clan Quest Mod is good once you feel the need for a change but still isn't too drastic. It does have a couple pretty rough spots and choices, but the *Overall* experience is pretty solid.
I'm extremely partial to the CompMod, because it is my kind of autism. A guy decided that it'd be cool to have vampire companions, and the only way to make them companions and stay true to the story would be to force them, so he introduced whole new questlines with spliced voice acting that allows you to dominate key vampires with a magic "whatever" artifact.
It is obviously a labor of the dick, because everything is more or less an extremely convoluted and autistic reason to have Therese as a slave. And for it to make relative sense.
>he uninstalled it in the first place
I have a drive that is just old games that don't get uninstalled, although my new PC has broken the installation for Alpha Centauri.
Yeah it's more like an adaptation of Troika's crpg style to a fully 3D environment + an adaptation of Vampire: The Masquerades tabletop rules. It's got frick all to do with whatever Looking Glass/Ion Storm were doing around the same time.
From a story and atmosphere perspective I prefer Hollywood to China Town, but I think just from a pure gameplay perspective, China Town is actually less of a slog than Hollywood. The sewers are just that fricking bad
The sewers are the worst part in the game
But them aside, it really is a descending order of Santa Monica>Downtown>Hollywood>Chinatown
Santa Monica and Downtown are full of quests NPCs and atmosphere. Hollywood has it but less, and Chinatown is very barebones
>The sewers are the worst part in the game
Really? I only played it through once but I found the entire final 2 dungeons to be worse by a large margin.
Also: should probably do a replay with a Malk. Should I install the Plus fan patch this time for more content or stick with Basic? Is Malk THAT different?
Malk is the only clan that has very extensive different dialogue trees
And you can sorta tell that's another thing that was cut because every other clan has like five unique convos total
Like Blood Strike no longer requires you to stay in place in order for the blood to return to you. You can kite enemies forever and just spam blood missiles for free.
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Ah.
Yeah, unbalanced.
Though you'd stop using blood strike with the awesometastic Cauldron of Blood
>Really? I only played it through once but I found the entire final 2 dungeons to be worse by a large margin
I disagree, at least there's a finality to them and there plenty of humans to replenish your blood.
The sewers suck so much, because they're so long, look the fricking same (leading to direction confusion) you're not reaching towards an end goal (reaching the Nosferatu isn't the end goal of the sewers, its the quests. You already did your job when you defeated Andrei) and the fricking monsters are a fleshcrafted abominations with poisonous blood. >Should I install the Plus fan patch this time for more content or stick with Basic?
I feel like that depends on you. If you starving for more content install the plus. If not, basic. >Is Malk THAT different?
Sorta? Malk and Nos have pretty significant differences that are constantly remarked. it's worth a playthrough at the very least
It might've just been my character build was more suited to the sewers. Honestly my biggest struggle was with the graveyard-zombie sidequest until I spent a bunch of points on Celerity and then fricking breezed through it. So is that a yay or nay on the Plus patch? Is the extra content good or was it mostly cut for good reasons?
>So is that a yay or nay on the Plus patch? Is the extra content good or was it mostly cut for good reasons?
I mean, I like it (though I'm outdated by a few years).
There's nothing egregious out there, what it mostly drastically changes is quests in cut areas that are at least interesting to explore. The rest is just filler, like changing the location of objects, a dew extra fetch quest here and there
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick it, I'll do a Plus Malk playthrough then. Thanks anon.
I think Sewers should be disregarded because nobody actually goes through it anymore. It's like bringing up Thieves' Guild in Thief: Gold. Everyone just skips it so it's a moot point.
>It's like bringing up Thieves' Guild in Thief: Gold. Everyone just skips it so it's a moot point.
It's still worth bringing up for new players. Personally I just play The Dark Project rather than Gold (shame I miss out on Song of the Caverns but the original game's just overall better)
Same here, I didn't know what Malk was, and picked it. It was insanely fun and honestly made the playthrough better in everyway. Yea, you could get 'spoiled' but honestly, that just made it better.
So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabat nor Anarch? And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members? Seems like they should be a bigger deal and not just get introduced out of nowhere in the last quarter of the game without any prior mention.
>So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabat nor Anarch
In VTMB yes. In the wider lore I guess it depends on the edition? In the CYOA novels that I read which are based on V5 it seems like they have been merged into clan Hecata along with other necromancy themed clans. >And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members
Yes. >Seems like they should be a bigger deal
They are in some places. Just not where the game takes place.
we like it ignore the clan Hecata merge, since it is dumb. I mean if it was just Cappadocian bloodlines fine whatever, but they threw Nagaraja in there and then gave them Obenebration as part of the new "Oblivion" discipline for some reason...
All in all Giovanni were "information brokers" using info from spirits. playing both sides and loyal only to their family, all while trying to throw the world into the Shadowlands so they could rule over it like gods.... Then Augustus realized being a 600 year old "antediluvian" in name isn't the same as being an acutal one with thousands of years of shit to back it up.
I'll continue to export hordes of muslims to Sweden until Paradox retracts V5
11 months ago
Anonymous
paradox isn't even allowed to touch VtM (or any WoD property) anymore after that whole Chechnya thing...
11 months ago
Anonymous
vampires are a white-supremacist ideology?
11 months ago
Anonymous
that poster is a gay. ofc fascists and vampires aren't going to get along. seeing as fascists are ultra-nationalists and there aren't vampire nations in modern society. And the only vampires still around to remember it are all psychotic in their own special way.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're a homosexual, even the WoD rpg has leftist garbage in it now and they're still pushing it. The new werewolf game was literally still political even AFTER the massive frickup of anon's pic related.
11 months ago
Anonymous
correct, it is insane Leftist garbage now... I fricking hate it.
Don't make me post Rudi
11 months ago
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>The new werewolf game was literally still political
Yeah they didn't want the forest to be destroyed by a logging company. They're werewolves. They live in the forest. Of course they'd be against it. It doesn't feel forced at all.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What is "leftist garbage" when in the lore since forever vampires are shown to be totally incapable of forming long-standing and functional nations due to infighting? Unless you're going for a bit of "fascist who gets turned into a vampire" RP. Which is hilariously stupid.
11 months ago
Anonymous
dilate trooner
11 months ago
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kek, this shit never fails iwva4b
to make me laugh
Honestly, I really liked what they did with V20 and the metaplot agnostic ways you could continue the story
V20 was really solid. If it had a proper release, ot would've blown V5's bloated reported sales out of the water.
Also, likely not caused an international incident and sank the company's independence
11 months ago
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I didnt read the V20 lore, but as a encyclopedia, Containing all rules updates, all powers and shit. V20 was really good, i agree.
Masquerade i like it more when its trapped in the 90's. Modern Vampire i just feel that Requiem does it better.
11 months ago
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>I didnt read the V20 lore
It had very few of it's own on the sourcebooks, since it was mostly just an expansion to the main book's compilation.
Except for Beckett's Jyhad Diary, which had all sort of near plot starts that you could use. Or not. >Masquerade i like it more when its trapped in the 90's. Modern Vampire i just feel that Requiem does it better.
Oh definitely. This is how I always summed the changes. It's VtM trying to be VtR and being worse than both
>So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabbat nor Anarch?
Yes they're independent, one of the three Clans without Sect, the others being the Assamites and the Followers of Set. >And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members?
Yeah, they kinda work like a mafia/roman gens. The mainline is Giovanni from Augustus Giovanni, a Venetian merchant that diablerized his antidiluvian and embraced his own son. But they add other families to the wider Giovanni Clan too, mostly through marriage. The Milliners and Dunsirns for example. >Seems like they should be a bigger deal
Ehh. Everything is a big deal. Yama Kings, Hunters, the Technocracy. VtM, like all individual lines, operates on a need to know basis. It's not that important unless it said it should be so
Not really, you're more role-playing as a vampire on a computer. Hence why it's called a computer role-playing game. It's not simulating sound propagation, surfaces like wood reacting to fire or AI responding to both stimuli in a somewhat realistic fashion like in Thief or Deus Ex.
Yeah they're not called 'immersive sims' though. They're called mech sims or vehicle sims. That's different a different thing to Ultima Underworld and Thief.
Then your standards of immersion are impressively low. You should try Fallout 3, game with world building that's so full of holes and inconsistencies that almost no one can get immersed by it.
I just realized when you fight Gimble shouldn't Carson see through his cell that you fight with superhuman endurance and other unnatural abilities? Wouldn't that already count as breaking the Masquerade?
There's also the factor of believing him >whoa, a crazy amputation fetishist locked you up, cut off your finger and was killed by some beast in human form? ok buddy ywnbaw
The Nosferatu are shitpostting with my IP again! Weird that the regular rule34.xxx still works. Does this one have more stuff? I hate going to the Paheal one
Dunno, it's the only one I use. Ther other alternative would be rule34hentai.net for e-girl / shota sfm. But you'd need an account to see it and Rastafarian is an absolute israelite when it comes to ad spam on that site.
>rule34hentai.net for e-girl / shota sfm
I noticed xxx has brought some of that back recently. At least I think so, because I had never seen Sarah Miller there
Also, is the search function still broken on that one?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You have to manually replace the blank space(s) in the url with + between tags for the search with multiple tags to work. Doubt they have fixed it yet.
>50% of the pic is staring straight into the guy's colon
For what purpose?
r34xxx has tons of stuff, and the best use of tags r34hentai has a decent amount of stuff, but is full of adware shit you need to block, and it's secretly a e-girl congregation if you look at all the "top rated" content
Being a vampire is not worth it unless you're like 5-7th gen. Actually it's not worth it period because if you've been embraced by a 4-6th gen elder you're 100% going to end up as a pawn in some insane scheme and die. I'd rather be a werewolf. I'm not a furry but at running as a doggie seems fun and I'd be able to attain crazy gains without working hard for it. Seems like the comfiest supernatural existence.
Werewolves are one of the bleaker stories out there, if you think your Tribe isn't going to be hounding (ha) you to do shit constantly or be fighting the Wyrm at every turn in progressively worse, suicide battles in a War your kind lost ages ago you are mistaken. and you can't just say no. it is very much written in your DNA to do what your Alpha says.
You cant dominate everyone , every time, its the kind of thing that makes you enemies in an actual role playing game.
Well, when you put it like that... I don't know much about Werewolf beyond stuff I've gleaned from a playthrough of Heart of the Forest. They seem like a bunch of gay little homosexuals. Hardly the kind of creatures who are led by deranged alphas who force them into pointless and deadly battles. That made it seem like it'd be pretty easy to go your own way.
Werewolves are kinda of homosexuals, but you need a sperglord who really loves the line to be a good storyteller for the game
BTW, Tourette is most likely 6th or even 5th generation due to her rumored sire.
11 months ago
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What was the deal with Tourette anyway?
Is she just a Malkavian that larps as a tremere and she's the survivor of a pair of twins? (because I saw that painting in their office so I assume there really were two of them at one point, though I suppose they could've commissioned it to spec)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Long story short: she's a schizo who was molested by her father at a young age. She created her Jeanette bawd persona to keep herself "pure." After awhile during an episode of insanity or jealousy, she blew her father's brains out with a shotgun. She got sent to a mental ward for the insane. Eventually years later, her sire took a pity on her making her out and making her a vampire.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*breaking
11 months ago
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She's a Malkavian who was raped by her father when she was alive, and had her split personality take all the "trauma". She was the good girl, Jeanette was the prostitute sister who seduced daddy. Till one day she killed her father and was sent to an mental hospital, when she got out she was still kind of nuts but was Embraced by a very low Gen vampire who had the same kinda deal with split personalities, so he liked her and Turned her. There was never another sister and the painting was probably commissioned afterwards and she LARPs as a Ventrue, no one who wants to have any upward mobility can come from Tremere.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can fix her
11 months ago
Anonymous
which one? cause she was schizo before, but the Blood of Malkav pretty much created that reality for real
11 months ago
Anonymous
The prude
11 months ago
Anonymous
you brave son of a b***h good luck
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one knows.
Common belief it's that's Therese is the original persona, and she created the fun loving Jeanette to cope with the intense trauma of being molested by her father.
However in their inspiration, Trilogy of Terror's Milicent and Therese, "Therese" was the loose one that slept with her father and subsequently killed her mother — and "Millicent" was an alternative personality with a repressed sexuality to cope with the horror of her actions.
It could be either
I always liked the Idea of a Malk just shrugging off Dominate >b***h I can't even control my own mind what makes you think you can? Welcome to Radio Station Kray-Z
Well, when you put it like that... I don't know much about Werewolf beyond stuff I've gleaned from a playthrough of Heart of the Forest. They seem like a bunch of gay little homosexuals. Hardly the kind of creatures who are led by deranged alphas who force them into pointless and deadly battles. That made it seem like it'd be pretty easy to go your own way.
They were so deranged that the reason there ARE so few other Werecreatures is because they killed them all, since their Alphas thought "wolf is best" its called the War of Rage. its why there are pretty much only woofs. and since they are warriors they can't really deal with all the other stuff that the Wyrm is doing like Megacorps or pollution or psyops or corruption of the youth/culture
they were made do only fight, and the did that so good they killed the other Fera that were suppose to oversee those areas. its why Werewolf is about fighting a fight that you already lost a long time ago.
>Being a vampire is not worth it unless you're like 5-7th gen
This powergamer shit mindset is why the vast majority of players put 5 dots into generation and instantly try to diablerise any elder they find.
Learn to have fun as a super-human, without caring that you're not the top of the power-wank pyramid.
Man I kind of wish we could have gotten a cool Dampyr like Blade in VTMB. I just want more kino Blade content, I'm almost tempted to buy that Midnight Suns game because it has Blade in it.
I think it varied in some rulebooks
It was mostly left to your discretion
I always argued that they cum regular cum
Like, it's silly to say that a vampire can use blood to simulate sweat, vitreous, or whatever is is that keeps the vocal chords moist but not cum
By writing good scenarios, dialog, stuck with being based on being true to the OWoD grit and none of the latter day santized shit that WoD is going through no thanks to Swedish homosexual owners
Yes, the only reason I played shadows was because I bought it together with Coteries and decided to boot it up to see the shit show, ended up being pleasantly surprised. I've played single dev 0.1 games that were more coherent and baked than Coteries, it should've never been released as a game, maybe as a 3k word novella or some shit.
Requiem has rules that the less humanity you have, the more fricked by the sun you get.
Many of the important people in VTM are vampires or connected to them, no? So since the dominant forces in our modern culture are woke doesn't it make sense for vampires to be woke?
Do you think Todd Howard cares if its male/female or type1/type 2 in Starfield? he just want what is his. if you have to lie to take some shekels, who cares?
Thats the perspective of a 500-600 year old vampires dominating big corporations and not caring about anything, except profit and the company running fine.
Many of the important people in VTM are vampires or connected to them, no? So since the dominant forces in our modern culture are woke doesn't it make sense for vampires to be woke?
>Many of the important people in VTM
I mean in universe, many of the movers and shakers in the mortal world are actually vampires. Like media personalities, CEOs, etc.
yeah the True Brujah maybe, not those Trolie frickups that are around now, they are just a mob of sheep, one of their canon clanbook premade sheets is a neonazi, Brujah don't care what you rebel against as long as you are "impassioned" enough to rebel in the first place.
>Many of the important people in VTM
I mean in universe, many of the movers and shakers in the mortal world are actually vampires. Like media personalities, CEOs, etc.
Depends on the edition, and even then the individual books.
Early on they liked making historical figures like Al Capone, Harry Houdini, and Oscar Wilde vampires. 2e stopped doing it as much but even as late as revised there was the odd famous embrace.
Beyond that it comes down to clan. Though by no means a majority, there's an uncomfortable amount of Ventrue in governments, NGOs, and big corporations. Toreador artists may become recluses after the embrace but still release their art to the public. Victoria Ash, the signature character of Clan Toreador, released a single that was filled with subtle jabs at Kindred she did not care for. This move was as you can imagine, extremely unpopular and put her on a lot of people's shit lists.
Basically you'll never see a vampire as a big public face, but as the true power behind the face? Eerily common.
If there's one thing leftist hate is admitting that their opinions are parroted by the media, universities, big companies and most politicians. They need to pretend they're the #Resistance
>Hello L.A, you're up way past your bed time, aren't you? Hope you've slipped into something comfortable, I know I have. If you're new to town or just new to this whole radio thing, you're listening to The Deb of Night, the only girl who will spend the night with you and leave first thing in the morning, guaranteed.
It was a Sabbat Bishop fricking with a Cammy Toreador, its why she immediately goes to commercial saying she "has something to take care of". And she is thought to be a torrie since she rips that fake writer a new one during one of her calls, works exclusively at night, and is does nothing but play music and interact with Kine all night.
it was just an example of the Sabbat fricking with the Camerilla
>Female >Malkavian >Endure endless shitposting noise >Max Humanity Whole Game >Frick over vampires
I don't even like playing good guys. I just think it's really funny.
VTMB doesn't have enough random interactiveness to be an immsim which is my personal metric for the genre. If I can't flush the toilet or turn the lights off and on then it isn't one. Yes I understand that by this definition Duke 3D is considered an immsim, which I agree with.
Just about to play VTMB.
Anything I need to know beforehand? like corrupted saves, technical issues, and etc.
I have the gog version, so unofficial patch is pre-installed
uhhh funny shit with memory overflow can happen if you play for like...5 hours at a time without closing the game, nothing bad.. but like... wallpaper might be replaced with brick tile... or a movable board/can might be replaced with bus...
honestly it adds to the flavor of a malk playthough.
Don't play as Nosferatu your first time through. People are 50/50 whether you should play as Malkavian the first time but whatever you do, don't play as Nos for your first time.
Don't play Nosferatu first. Don't play Malkavian first either unless you like Shakespeare.
uhhh funny shit with memory overflow can happen if you play for like...5 hours at a time without closing the game, nothing bad.. but like... wallpaper might be replaced with brick tile... or a movable board/can might be replaced with bus...
honestly it adds to the flavor of a malk playthough.
Don't play as Nosferatu your first time through. People are 50/50 whether you should play as Malkavian the first time but whatever you do, don't play as Nos for your first time.
No. It isn't. It's about being designed around emergent gameplay, something that Deus Ex is built around. Vampire really isn't. They're both RPGs though hence the confusion.
So Tears of the Kingdom is an immersive sim? I’m not trying to be disingenuous here but there has never been a clear, concise answer to what an immersive sim is
Haven't played it yet but I have played the shit outta Breath of the Wild. Something like the chemistry engine is legit really similar to what Thief does via its Act/React Stimuli system/metaproperties. Short version: instead of the usual object-oriented way of programming Thief (and System Shock 2 by extension) boiled all of its potential interactions down to a list of 18 generic, universal stimuli (so that's elemental effects like fire, water and earth, things like light and 'Holiness' as well as a handful of weapon damages like slash and bash.) And every entity in Thief has a source (action) and receptron (reaction) where you can place these different stimuli as different kinds of actions and reactions and adjust the effect and intensity accordingly. And that's not even going into metaproperties or links or any of the other shit you can do in Thief's engine.
Unironically Breath of the Wild's chemistry engine is a really, really similar concept. The thing is Thief was doing that shit in 1998, the same year Ocarina of Time came out. Plus having that kind of system doesn't necessarily make something an immersive sim (games pre Thief don't use this system, Arx Fatalis doesn't use it and while most immersive sims after Thief use something similar it's usually a lot less elaborate or deep than Thief's implementation.) But Vampire the Masquearde Bloodlines isn't even attempting to do anything similar. Because that's not the kind of game Troika was trying to make. It's just morons thinking that immersive sim is another word for FPS/RPG that class it as one. That's it. And I fricking love VtMB
>Female >Malkavian >Endure endless shitposting noise >Max Humanity Whole Game >Frick over vampires
I don't even like playing good guys. I just think it's really funny.
Therese would never have sex with anyone due to the filth she associates with it with her "sister" and the trauma of her father.
I have a question though, she said she Embraced her sister, even though they are the same body, and have the same Vitae. So if Jeanette say, ordered Vandal, Therese's Ghoul to do something would he feel compelled to do it? does he feel the same compulsion for her on a regular basis? or does the fact they believe they are different people warp the rules?
or is this something I should go to /tg/ for?
It depends if you consider an unofficial patch a mod; It needs that to play with fear of softlocks and gamebreaking bugs/crashes. Even the old devs acknowledge and recommend it, so it's basically official anyway. A lot of people will tell you not to use the plus patch the first go round, but it's really up to you.
Beyond that though there's no "Must Have" mods really. If you fall in love like so many others have though, you'll eventually want to add a little pep to the old step after enough replays. The big ones are easily to find, though vary a lot in quality.
Clan Quest Mod is good once you feel the need for a change but still isn't too drastic. It does have a couple pretty rough spots and choices, but the *Overall* experience is pretty solid.
Watched the part where they talked about MMO. The reasoning they give there is bullshit, from multiple whistleblowers we know the problem was with the management constantly changing the direction of the game and jumping to the trends,it sound accurate and realistic if you actually played EVE, Dust
>The reasoning they give there is bullshit, from multiple whistleblowers we know the problem was with the management constantly changing the direction of the game and jumping to the trends,it sound accurate and realistic if you actually played EVE, Dust
Oh I know, anon, I remember that article very well. In fact, I have it bookmarked.
>This constant build and rebuild approach meant massive issues in the development process. Features that were good enough to retain in one build had to be redesigned from scratch for the next because so many other interconnected parts had changed. Even when there was enough to play, internal testing revealed a confused and unfocused experience.
>Most of the sources spoken to for this piece identified the same problematic CCP manager, who had little vision for what the finished game would look like.
>“Not once could he answer any question about moment-to-moment gameplay or areas of focus,” says one source. “Instead, he preferred to deliver buzzword-laden rambles… It was not uncommon for him to communicate in onomatopoeia.
>"I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his fricking fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.”
"Nictuku could be here" he thought. "I've never been in this warren before. There could be Nictuku anywhere." The cool methane fumes felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE NICTUKU" he thought. Isolated reverberated his entire sewer tunnel, making it pulsate even as the rat vitae circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of Absimiliard after dark. "With Obfuscate, you can go anywhere you want." he said to himself, out loud.
Let see what ToreChads did >Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine >Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power >Clan "curse" is boon to make her Kindred feel alive >inspiration for the Path of Humanity >Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece >While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence. >Toreadors are the leaders of culture >so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage >Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol >founded the Camarilla >Started the Renaissance >started many trends really >can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence >sex appeal so strong even the most cold Tremere fall for them >Malkavian lovers flock to them >Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them >Venture prize them >Tzimisce praise them >Asamites are befuddled by them >guardians of Elysiums >throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody >hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others >leave oldgays in the dust by getting with the times >best girls are from the Clan of the Rose
When did you noticed Toreadors are the most powerful Clan, Ganker? Also, they might have caused the Holocaust to get inspiration from the suffering of israelites.
I'm the moron playing Armored Core 2 and I want to thank whoever suggesting going straight into the arena because I think this is the way I'm going to get through, especially because I'm going to try avoiding Human Plus. The payouts are low but the lack of expenses is really easing the pain.
Also thanks to the dude who suggested the secret radar in the training module, though I only found the one.
The arena is also a lot of fun because Cores are severely less annoying to right as opposed to shit like planes. Hate those frickers so much.
At this point it is what it is, but am I going to miss out on a bunch of missions by doing this or does it not progress time?
By making it nothing like the actual pen & paper RPG and going with cartoon caricature characters that were memorable and fun to interact with instead.
This is why Bloodlines 2 is probably doomed even if it ever does come out. Bloodlines was fun because it was unlike VtM. It was over the top in a subtle way.
>By making it nothing like the actual pen & paper RPG and going with cartoon caricature characters that were memorable and fun to interact with instead.
Lol wut
>Lol wut
Brainlet?
Every character in VtMB is based on an existing and recognizable archetype with facets added to them to facilitate the story the writer wanted to tell without coming off as overly cliche.
This is one of the best ways to approach character writing in general, but it's extremely difficult and rides the razor's edge between making something great and memorable versus absolute slop.
>Every character in VtMB is based on an existing and recognizable archetype with facets added to them to facilitate the story the writer wanted to tell without coming off as overly cliche.
And how's that unlike the tabletop? Or almost any other story, if your "archetypes" are broad enough? >Brainlet?
moron?
>And how's that unlike the tabletop?
Because moron players and amateur GMs don't design characters based on what the story requires or what an entertaining thematic flow would be, they just make stuff they find cool and it's always a disjointed mess as a result.
>Zillenials start around '97
That's already a zoomer
Not really, I've spent a lot of time around people of varying ages, and people born up to 97' have more in common with people born earlier rather than later, completely different sets of interests.
>Because moron players and amateur GMs don't design characters based on what the story requires or what an entertaining thematic flow would be
But there's supplements for that. Chicago by Night, for example, which does that. >Not really
Yes. >and people born up to 97' have more in common with people born earlier rather than later
Entirely depended on who they interact with with day by day
If they're friends are younger they'll be indistinguishable from a zoomer
11 months ago
Anonymous
I forgot the pic
Also
*their
11 months ago
Anonymous
man the silent generation did a horse shit job raising their kids
11 months ago
Anonymous
They had to live under the shadow of the much cooler Greatest Generation and that bred contempt and resentment which they took out on the kids
>gen z was 2005+ >then it became 1993 >now it's 1997
It truly is nothing but a marketing/election gimmick.
I only really ever saw the 1997 mark
11 months ago
Anonymous
>gen z was 2005+ >then it became 1993 >now it's 1997
It truly is nothing but a marketing/election gimmick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What are now referred to as "millennials" used to be called "Gen Y" (since they were the generation after "Gen X"
"millennial" used to mean someone born, you know, after the new millennium
11 months ago
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I always used to think it meant those post around the year 2000, so 1985-2005.
And frankly that's accurate because those born a little after me up to 2005 are familiar with things I like.
Those born after are completely alien with what they like. They were born with smartphones in hand.
While I also grew up with smartphones around me, they weren't there from day 1. People born before 2005 remember a time when social media wasn't the suffocating horror it is today.
But of course the democrats needed to shift that goal post in 2016 for their electioneering, as always. That's what happens when banks funnel billions into their racket puppets.
11 months ago
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Sorry zoomie, it was always 96-98
What are now referred to as "millennials" used to be called "Gen Y" (since they were the generation after "Gen X"
"millennial" used to mean someone born, you know, after the new millennium
Millennial didn't mean someone born after the millennium, it was people who came of age around the millennium
I always used to think it meant those post around the year 2000, so 1985-2005.
And frankly that's accurate because those born a little after me up to 2005 are familiar with things I like.
Those born after are completely alien with what they like. They were born with smartphones in hand.
While I also grew up with smartphones around me, they weren't there from day 1. People born before 2005 remember a time when social media wasn't the suffocating horror it is today.
But of course the democrats needed to shift that goal post in 2016 for their electioneering, as always. That's what happens when banks funnel billions into their racket puppets.
If you were born after the millennium, then you were born with the internet and absolutely grew up with social media and smart phones
It's all generalisations based on a western middle+ class pov of course, access to these things would shape your outlook and behaviour
Nosferatu and Malkavian are different experiences from the other clan options. There are two schools of thought. That you shouldn't play them first, and that you arguably SHOULD because it gives you a genuine different experience with the core game. But Nosferatu is stealth mode. You can't be seen by NPCs or you get one irreconcilable strike towards a game over.
brother you get the power to go invisible, you will be fine, just play it smart when you go out into the street, or stick to the sewer system (although that gets admittedly annoying) the people you HAVE to talk to for quests or shops will mention you being an ugly frick, but won't cause a Masquerade Violation
Ventrue is my favorite clan but I've had fun runs with Toreador, Brujah, Tremere, and Gangrel (only with Animalism oriented shaman) as well. Never could finish a Nossie run. Sewers get too boring to look at and even with Obfuscate I don't like the stealth.
People spoil it for others by telling them how the dialogue is full of secret messages and it's not worth playing unless you understand them all.
It really doesn't matter though. I played Malk first without talking to anyone before and still enjoyed the dialogue. I also just enjoyed Malk for gameplay reasons too, guns + Dementation + Obfuscate is really fun.
>Hello L.A, you're up way past your bed time, aren't you? Hope you've slipped into something comfortable, I know I have. If you're new to town or just new to this whole radio thing, you're listening to The Deb of Night, the only girl who will spend the night with you and leave first thing in the morning, guaranteed.
The design philosophy of this game is the polar opposite of things like Thief and Deus Ex. What are you talking about? Not only does it lack almost all dynamic interactive systems, it doesn't even have explicit support for the build depth it should have. It devolves into linear levels that support only one approach. There is no emergent gameplay potential in VtMB. The very few things that you can do were manually implemented as officially recognized solutions by the devs. It's about as little systems-based as Thief 2014.
>same genre
It's funny how predictable people who don't know what "immersive sim" is are. I specifically named those two because I happen to know it's not a genre and people like you don't. They're games of different genres, stealth and pseudo-RPG, that were fundamentally designed from the ground up using the same design philosophy, of constructing the interactive framework based on dynamically interacting systems that produce emergent scenarios instead of enumerated ad-hoc implemented options for the player to explicitly choose from. VtMB is very much the latter.
The best description I ever found of immersive sims was from the Jurassic Park Trespasser postmortem (which was made by a bunch of ex-Looking Glass devs): >Trespasser was begun by two former employees of Looking Glass Technologies, Seamus Blackley and Austin Grossman. By the time the game was rolling, two more ex-Looking Glass employees would join the team, and our common background was instrumental in setting the direction for the project. Looking Glass’s most distinguished products, Underworld I and II and System Shock, are games which in some ways are still ahead of their time, specifically in the areas of object-rich, physics-based environments and emergent gameplay.
>"Limited but rich" was a phrase which was used often early in Trespasser’s development. This phrase describes a game design philosophy consisting of choosing a reduced feature set, but putting more sophistication into each feature. Although solid-body physics based entirely on box-shaped solids might seem like only a rough approximation of the real world, the thinking was that a perfect simulation of solid boxes would be so much more flexible than the emulated physics of previous games that our gameplay would be deep and absorbing.
>Likewise, though we would only have a few different types of dinosaurs, the dinosaur AI system would allow them to react to each other and the player in a large variety of ways, choosing appropriate responses depending on their emotional state. Sophisticated, fully-interruptable scenes would occur spontaneously rather than requiring large amounts of scripting, and observing the food chain in action would be as absorbing as playing the game itself. Interacting with the limited but rich features would lead to "emergent gameplay," the grail for many of Looking Glass’ best thinkers since Underworld I shipped and fans began to write in describing favorite moments - moments which had not been specifically designed or even experienced by the team itself.
>"Limited but rich" was a phrase which was used often early in Trespasser’s development. This phrase describes a game design philosophy consisting of choosing a reduced feature set, but putting more sophistication into each feature.
That's pretty much what Thief did, and that's what Warren Spector was talking about when making Deus Ex, though I'd argue that the first DX game that actually managed to have the width of a pond and depth of an ocean was Mankind Divided. The first game still tried to do too many things too much and ended up having less than the desired amount of depth as a result.
The reason why Deus Ex is the way it is is just because they built that shit on top of Unreal which wasn't designed to be a deep simulation the same way Thief's custom built Dark Engine was. It was designed for Unreal and Unreal Tornament and that was about it. They got some of that shit working eventually but a lot of its 'immersive sim' elements are actually a bit janky. Spector himself admitted it in his Deus Ex postmortem which everyone cites but no one seems to actually read.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The original Deus Ex is stil very close to what a perfect game could be though, aside from the last area that's a bit rushed the game gave you so many freedom in a way that stayed fun and engaging. It's a meme nowadays but I've killed maggy chow in so many different ways.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah. Not dissing it at all. One of the greatest goddamn video games ever. I prefer Thief 1 and 2 but I think that's just a personal taste thing.
>though I'd argue that the first DX game that actually managed to have the width of a pond and depth of an ocean was Mankind Divided
Why so? I've played it a few months back, wasn't that great
11 months ago
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There are unironically too many levels and too many hub worlds. They are largely barren with nothing to do. Mankind Divided is filled to the brim with the kind of detail that DX1 only has in levels like Vandenberg.
I think a lot of people get that impression from the first real quest where you have to go into the beachhouse. You can sneak in, you can talk your way in, you can kill everyone, etc. And a lot of other quests, at least in the first half of the game, do give you flexibility at least as far as stealth/talk/kill.
Options alone don't mean that the development philosophy was a certain way. A visual novel can have multiple options, but those options were all manually implemented by the developer, they're not emergent possibilities due to the presence of dynamic interactions between systems.
If the game was like Deus Ex, you could carry a gas canister from a nearby service station, put it on the front yard, set it on fire so it explodes, causing loud sound propagation that reaches the hearing of the NPCs inside, who then investigate the origin of the sound, allowing you to get in from the back door to rob the house while everyone is outside. Something that none of the level designers ever intended, but was made possible due to the systems of physics object conveyance, object damage interaction, event sound production, environmental sound propagation and disturbance investigation AI programming.
I don't agree about the best but it's definitely the most unique
I love this game but I've only played it once as a Tremere
is a Nosferatu playthrough completely different?
Genrewank. When someone who autistically insists on categorizing things rages over the existence of old industry terms that were never used to define genres, that he really wants to force into being used to define genres, then gets confused when that doesn't make sense for different games that are associated with the same developer terms.
>there will never be a good vtmb co-op game that you can play with random people who you create quick but lifelong friendships with
yeah
i'm thinking it's over
the werewolf survival level is 100x scarier than the ocean house hotel level and i'm TIRED of pretending otherwise
trying to keep that werewolf at bay is nightmare gigafuel
The Ocean House has a better build of atmosphere and tension.
It's a slow increasing of the unnerving and the fear of the unknown
The werewolf encounter is pure panic brought about the fear of death. It's high adrenaline fear
They're also some of the better horror sequences I've ever seen in any game
Nah Ocean House is scarier on the first playthrough when you don't know if someone will chase you through the boiler room and you are slowly uncovering and piecing together what happened at that place. Sure on the second playthrough it's not that scary anymore since you know almost nothing can happen to you except some shit comes flying at you, but the first time around it's easily the scariest level in the entire game.
yeah meanwhile in the werewolf nightmare survival park >when you hear the roar for the first time >when you pull out your strongest weapon and it does no damage >when you realise that it rips your healthbar in half with one swipe >when you realise you're going to get fricking molested to death until you can somehow win at hide and seek for the next 3 minutes and 35 seconds against a monster that can smash through walls >when you don't know about the way to crush it in the doorway
I wonder how many people actually found about the door crushing naturally
I fully admit for the first two playthroughs I was too panicked to even notice the door
Only by reading a guide I realized he could be killed
I kinda like the UP change that you can kill him with enough firepower but it takes most of your arsenal. Reminds me of that metal carapace monsters in half-life
>Immersive sim
The frick is this buzzword? Every time someone says immersive sim its always something different. Heres a list of genres I've heard people describe as immersive sim. >Action RPG >Turn based rpg >Card battlers >First person shooters >Transportation Sims >Farming Sims >Anything with "simulator" in the title
The frick does it even mean.
Nah, there's all types.
By Revised, sex just wasn't seeing as worth the effort by the moving players, but sexuality was always a staple of the games.
Clan Novel there's even a sex maniac voyeur Nosferatu
>are malkavians the only vampires that have sex for fun?
Vampires don't really get anything "physical" out of sex that they wouldn't get 10x by sucking blood. So, even ignoring the taboo of acting "human", when they *do* have sex it's mostly a cerebral thing. Jeanette is just peculiar as being a "dirty prostitute" is part of her whole "bad girl" persona. She probably just gets off on the idea of how absolutely furious Therese is that she's using "their" body to do disgusting shit.
If there's a clan that's more likely than any other of having "sex" for fun it's probably Toreadors, as they usually are the one that try to cling on to their human lifestyle and emotions for the longest.
Way back when. During the time of the Patch Wars, the unhinged dude that made the Gold Patch used to say that Wesp5 did that and people approved because VtMB players had an unconscious need for a sequel that they would never have
hints that he did something to it
Did he? I actually don't remember him saying he ever even got close to it. Honestly what made me choose not to was Beckett running me down the street to go "WHATEVER YOU FRICKING DO, DO NOT OPEN IT" plus LaCroix clearly having some hubris lesson going for him.
Also can anyone give me some opinions on which clans are more/less fun to play? I just did Tremere and had a decent time but thaumaturgy felt slightly underwhelming (I actually ended up prefering the Dominate spells). I know Malkavian and Nosferatu get very different game experiences, but right now I'm more concerned on which skillset is gonna be more enjoyable.
>Honestly what made me choose not to was Beckett running me down the street to go "WHATEVER YOU FRICKING DO, DO NOT OPEN IT" plus LaCroix clearly having some hubris lesson going for him.
The game kind of beats you over the head with not opening it. Multiple characters say nothing good will come of it including a psychic that is 100% accurate about the events of the game.
>unless you really want to be a stealthy Nosferatu.
Wishful thinking. VtMB is not Deus Ex. They never finished developing the game properly, and so the second half of the game does not let you sneak. The Tzimische mansion is the point when the devs decided that they should actively dissuade stealth due to it no longer being supported. You can't open the exterior doors unless you've alerted the NPCs and gotten into combat. There is no justification for it, they just don't want you to be able to sneak anymore, since the rest of the campaign is going to be linear action schlock. When you do get into combat and open the door, you get inside the house and in there all the geometry has its vision check colliders disabled, so all NPCs see you through all walls unless you're constantly in Obfuscate.
>just did Tremere and had a decent time but thaumaturgy felt slightly underwhelming
Black person, if you find boiling people in their own blood underwhelming nothing will excite you
It was cool to look at, but in practice I found it pretty useless. >Cast Mass Suicide from Dominate. >Everyone in the area instantly dies. >Cast Blood Boil. >One person starts floating and swelling. >If 5 whole seconds afterwards some enemy hasn't moved the frick out of the way, they'll get damaged by the explosion and probably die. If. >Doesn't even actually deal as much damage to bosses as Suicide.
>Mass Suicide
Oh yeah, man the Vanilla dominate powers were super lore breaking.
But, regardless, if you're going by practicality Blood Shield+Blood Purge+Any Weapon is basically unbeatable.
Plus, if you get the Daimonori, then I'm pretty sure the 40% damage will mog even the Mass or individual Suicide abilities
11 months ago
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>Plus, if you get the Daimonori
Just googled that. I didn't. I actually never moved out of the Santa Monica haven. >Knew that wasn't the only apartment in the game because I had seen a pic of a nicer one long ago before I started playing. >Already at the point where you start going to Hollywood and still haven't gotten one so google it. >Turns out I had to be polite towards LaCroix., and that was way too far back to reload now. >Oh, says here Tremere actually can get another o- nevermind, that's if I do the epidemic quest for Strauss instead of the Anarchs first, frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that's if I do the epidemic quest for Strauss instead of the Anarchs first, frick.
You can do for both of them. I didn't even knew you could get cut from one side until later because I always visited Strauss first, and I think you can't tell Damsel that you're working for him but you can vice versa
Also you need to follow what he tells you in the gargoyle quest
The Apartment is neat, it even has a bar
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah well I basically skipped straight through all Strauss content because I realized where he was at the butt end of the Downtown part of the game, and I didn't think to check back on him for Hollwyood.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>playing tremere >not constantly checking with the local Regent
You'll never make it to Magister at this rate anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tbqh getting stuck at some downtrodden shithole because I was too snarky and/or ignored all the elders fit right in with my mental image of my Tremere vampire as a John Constantine-style hard boiled problem solver.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>my mental image of my Tremere vampire as a John Constantine-style hard boiled problem solver
With these adolescent fantasies you'll never amount to much beyond a two-bit conveyor of parlor tricks. And that's if you're lucky enough to not ran afoul of a Camarilla city with a proper Chantry
Join the pyramid, vampirenon. Through stability and unity you'll come to learn great things
11 months ago
Anonymous
*Picks independent ending*
Nah, I don't think so.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then you shall meet a terrible fate. An unending Tartarus, bleak and unending
>also ran a vtm game >Tzimisce player >homeless surgeon >turns himself into a woman with huge breasts >travels around in a wheelchair despite legs having no problems >kidnaps a baali neonate for 'reasons'
Why are they like this?
It's honestly pretty fitting
Sascha Vykos was actually the first troony I've ever heard of in media.
And he's a gross, degenerate pervert with an auto-gynephillic fetish
The Tzimisce PC in my game was also a surgeon, I think that's just everyone's first attempt at making a decently normal humanity Tzimisce, as everything else is "BODY HORROR ALIEN ANDREI TURN KINE INTO FURNITURE"
He didn't turn himself into a woman, he did turn himself into a 5 appearance handsome man though, and then stalk and ghoulify his niece, the only living reminder of his sister, whom he loved.
>Play game >Very enjoyable >Get to somewhere in midgame where its just huge combat mission >Come back to cities and immediately get told to go to next mission, no new dialogues except for like 3 people telling you what to do >Do sewers >Takes forever >Come back and again, almost no new stuff, sent to next mission >Wedding is fricking way worse than the sewer, these fricking guys literally just spawn out of every wall >Finish mission, again, almost nothing new just immediately sent back into shitty combat mission
I couldn't stand it and couldn't finish it, anything cool that was built up early was just completely gone after it was back to back drag on combat shit, even the sewer wasn't so bad as much as the fact that its followed by 3 more shit setpieces I didnt even get to the stupid exploding box it was just "nice now go do next thing" this shit sucks
It just isn't a good game, or even an RPG. The worst part is the poseur fanclub. It's the TT/LARP community all rolled into one morbidly overweight pizza casualty. Vampire lore deserves better than this emo scene queen garbage. I'm surprised no-one's modded a Hot Topic into this piece of shit yet.
>teleported to childhood by most themes >can tell people to kys and some do >have cool powers, can be a pretty nice guy or a sadistic shitlord >massive boost to replayability, every clan gets at least some tailored replies >can still get fricked if you don't pay attention, especially by the ending
I remember choosing not to open it as the canon ending. For a little while I just stared at the screen and contemplated what do I really want to do. Few games were so interesting
>9/10 games
Are you moronic? Bloodlines has a lot going for it but the level design and actual gameplay is fricking awful. Not just mediocre. Fricking awful. This is not a 9/10 game. It's a 7/10 game at best and that's entirely due to the writing. If anyone else had written this game it'd be considered a complete dud.
Is something wrong with my game or is stealth ridiculously broken? I have stealth at only 4 and I can stand right in fron of guards and they won't see me. At most they react in "is there someone? must have been the wind" ways
No that's just how stealth works, it's broken as a stat. Don't put much more to it, make sure you get stats into a combat style because stealth won't help you with bosses.
you know I just realized that all the hot girls in this game are described as broken in some way, dunno if it's a social commentary or just to make them hotter
He does say he gets his blood from the Prince, though that may just mean the Prince authorized/provides it and it's not actually his blood
especially since he still backs you up if you go against the Cam
Early game all the firearms are really weak and melee is strong with even minimal investment.
This changes abruptly at Hollywood. You get the Anaconda there, one of the best guns in the game, and Mercurio starts stocking military grade shit. From this point on melee is diminishing returns and firearms get exponentially stronger. With only like 3 firearms the AUG will carry you through the endgame combat slogs.
>immersive
It makes being a vampire seem way better than it is in real life
this, fictional vampires are organized and shit, irl vampires are the old man that lives alone in the middle of nowhere and refused to interact outside of his closest generations
>It makes being a vampire seem way better than it is in real life
How would you know how it is to be a vampire in real life?
anon, watch out before you have a nighttime visitor
They're not invited.
lol! you just broke the masquerade, fricking moron
Get away from your devices
t.camarilla
>seething nosferatu
>Max Schreck
>maxresdefault (4).jpg
vampires aren't real turd for brains
This is most video games though. I think one of the more realistic portrayals is the movie Near Dark where the vampires are just miserable traveling murder hobos.
Being a vampire was really cool up until around the 1990's, after that technology started to frick everything up, cell phones, then widespread internet, security cameras, smart phones, drones, satelite tracking, government registrations, id, passports, etc, makes everything 100x more difficult than in the past when you could just drift from place to place.
>It makes being a vampire seem way better than it is in real life
I fricking knew it Bros everybody called me a schizo, but I fricking knew it
MASQUERADE VIOLATION
Let's say vampires were theoretically real. Where would they hang out?
Ha ha, vampires aren't real. And if they were, you would be reporting to the local Prince for punishment. NOW.
...why does Andrei want me to report to the Prince?
!MASQUERADE VIOLATION!
>seem way better than it is in real life
wat
heh
haha anon you're so crazy, we should hang out irl
where are you?
>It makes being a vampire seem way better than it is in real life
actually the opposite is the case. It makes vampires look like having to deal with the exact same shit like humans do. The worst part is when you figure out you aren't as strong as you think you are.
I tried playing it with the unofficial patch and it keeps crashing every few minutes
So you experienced true sovl
learn to read instructions
Learn to stop eating man ass for a buck fifty at black truck stops
>Install game
>Run patch installer
Not much room for user error
Are you launching from steam and not the mod shortcut? I made that mistake.
No I used the mod shortcut
Works on my machine
No locational damage and third-person melee camera = not an immersive sim
It's an action RPG
your criteria is stupid as frick. by the way vtmb has locational damage - headshots do more damage
it was made to be played in first person, dumbass
it's extremely mid and I hate using that term
if you are a brainlet maybe picrel
So VtMB isn't one then? Cause it's got barely any 'emergent behavior.' It's closer to what they're describing as a computer role-playing game with it's "pre-scripted menu options... trying to pass off as 'conversations,'" and copying the mechanics of a literal paper role-playing game.
That's not to say Vampire's bad. I fricking love it and it's one of my favorite games ever other than the shit bits. But if this is the actual explanation of 'immersive sims,' (or immersive reality or whatever the frick) then that pretty much confirms VtMB isn't one.
how can it be one of your favorite games and you haven't used the environment to your advantage ? I beat it in 2018 and only once, I liked it and thought it was a solid 8.5/10, it may not be the best designed imsimm but it definitely is one
>and you haven't used the environment to your advantage ?
You really can't in VtMB though? Yeah you can use stealth but you can use stealth in most other wrpgs. That's kinda it. Yeah you're got different approaches based on your character class and what attribute points you put into things... but that's because it's an RPG.
>You really can't in VtMB though?
>this homie doesn't throw random trash to distract enemies
>it's extremely mid and I hate using that term
So say mediocre then? Fricking moron.
Perspective isn't a genre, MGS3 is an immsim
It's barely better than Deus Ex Invisible War
Santa Monica > Seattle > Downtown > Cairo > Hollywood > That German town > Chinatown > Antarctica > post-Chinatown > New York.
Now do the original Deus Ex
"Immersive sim" has become a completely irrelevant term. It lost all meaning.
keep crying, b***h
So just like RPG
>It lost all meaning.
Good. I'm glad it's lost all meaning because =you fedora tipping queers deserve to how your shit meme 'genre' ruined.
Like RPG, Rogue-like, Metroidvania, Souls-like...
>pongsifu
it lost meaning to the people misusing it, Immersive Sim means a game that tries to create a tone fitting to the setting when you can play IC
The definition is just weak as frick since it concludes with skyrim and botw also being an immersive sim
way too spooky im closing the internet for tonight
They didn't. Human Revolution is better in every way.
How close to the original vision of the developers is the patch that adds all the "restored" content? Does it just add some already finished missions, NPCs and items hidden in the files or is it some shitty reconstruction attempt made by unskilled modders who found some unfinished scraps of that was supposed to be additional content for the game? Like does the content that get's added feel out of place and you notice a drop in quality or does it fit in neatly with the base game?
>How close to the original vision of the developers is the patch that adds all the "restored" content?
Not remotely, it veered into fanfiction years ago
What's the last non-fanfiction version then? Just so I could play it.
Couldn't tell you, it's been years. Even the basic batch actually has fanfic in it.
You'd have to find versions of the patch from almost a decade ago at this point. Even back then he was getting way too carried away with altering the assets already in the game.
Just play with the official patch then
Things like the extra rooms in Grout's mansion are literally fanfics. The moving mannequins are just something the modders thought would be so heckin epic to include
If the entire game was as good as Santa Monica I would consider it the second best immersive sim just below the first Deus Ex, but sadly it falls off. It's not like the main story get's worse, but it begins lacking side content.
yeah, I had to drop it for a few weeks at chinatown. It was battle sequence after battle sequence in a game in which the combat sucks dick
Melee is so bad it nearly ruins the game but the subpar FPS is tolerable
I played Gangrel first and enjoyed the story stuff but the combat was so annoying, went Malk second to take in the changes but more importantly playing with bullet time and guns didn't make me want to uninstall it
I never can make it past chinatown, it's just too boring.
I just played this for the first time. I appreciated that it has no hand-holding. Let me wander around lost in the city for a bit. This was how they made games back before corporate ESG suits contemptuous of gamers were put in charge of everything
First playthrough and I'm playing as Tremere and I read I could get a new haven from Strauss after doing the plaguebearer and gargoyle quests, which I did. I also didn't tell Isaac that Strauss created the gargoyle, but for some reason I can't tell Strauss that I managed the gargoyle problem and the quest is not active anymore for me. I also read I should have gotten an item from Strauss when telling him about the gargoyle for the first time but I didn't get anything. Could that be the reason?
I don't know what your problem was but I couldn't get the unique apartment either when I played my first and only playthrough as Tremere, but my problem was not doing the Tremere quest right away and doing the other quests first.
It's an RPG, not some meme genre that doesn't exist.
I would like to have sex with Heather Poe.
God I miss good games.
stop!
>hear about how the snuff film stuff is like super dark and creepy
>turns out it's about some vampire version of yakub creating some goofy geodude looking monsters in his basement
Yeah nah ocean house was a much better and scarier mission
Foxy boxes
Apparently they're going to announce something about Bloodlines 2 in September. I hope we eventually get something decent out of it.
>Apparently they're going to announce something about Bloodlines 2 in September.
They'll announce the name of the developer, nothing more.
calling Chinese Room, what we all expected fricking years ago
>Chinese Room
The guys responsible for the third best Amnesia game?
I hope it sinks the property. I'm tired off companies propping up beloved properties for a quick buck and social credit
Bloodlines 2 is becoming one of the biggest sunk cost fallacies of gaming.
If it ever ships I hope it's Duke Nukem Forever bad. It'd suck if it were just mid.
>If it ever ships I hope it's Duke Nukem Forever bad. It'd suck if it were just mid.
Duke Nukem Forever wasn't truly bad though. It was just bellow middling. I'd rather VtMB2 came out Daikatana (on launch) levels of bad. That'd be a true, blue fricking trainwreck
The amount of jeanette porn out there is criminally low and i wanna know why. I want to know why alex from fricking minecraft has ten times more rule34 than vampire britney spears in a loose schoolgirl outfit
The game came out before the golden age of rule 34. Porn always existed of course, but it's much easier to commission now
VTMB is not an immsim.
so I'm old as frick but I never played Deus Ex because my PC back then was a pile of shit. I got around to it this year finally (better late than never) and I can say that while I like Bloodlines more (likely because I love urban fantasy set in modern times and I played it first) I really saw how much it took from DX1.
There really wouldn't be a VtM without it I think.
Deus Ex really did set a lot of the groundwork for a narrative driven, somewhat open ended action-rpg game.
Therese>Jeanette. No context. The midriff and thong are hot, but braless blazers with obscenely huge cleavages are just superior
Therese tries to kill you
They made the bipolar prostitute personality the one that was less of a c**t
Not to mention the attitude
Jeanette is a girl that sucks your dick in the first date, but then wants to pay for three expensive diners before she finally puts out
Therese needs to be romanced because she's lying to herself that she isn't a horny bawd. You need to slowly push her until she breaks, after that you'll be nailing on tope of her office desk
Therese would never have sex with anyone due to the filth she associates with it with her "sister" and the trauma of her father.
I have a question though, she said she Embraced her sister, even though they are the same body, and have the same Vitae. So if Jeanette say, ordered Vandal, Therese's Ghoul to do something would he feel compelled to do it? does he feel the same compulsion for her on a regular basis? or does the fact they believe they are different people warp the rules?
or is this something I should go to /tg/ for?
>Therese would never have sex with anyone due to the filth she associates with it with her "sister" and the trauma of her father.
Nonsense. If she was as prude as she thinks she is she wouldn't go out there with her breasts out and no bra. She's just coy.
>I have a question though, she said she Embraced her sister, even though they are the same body, and have the same Vitae. So if Jeanette say, ordered Vandal, Therese's Ghoul to do something would he feel compelled to do it? does he feel the same compulsion for her on a regular basis? or does the fact they believe they are different people warp the rules?
The latter. Rules vary and the Storyteller System has a lot of leeway for story snd roleplaying (that's why VtM is memed as the RPG theater kids play). But much how UV light doesn't hurt you, even though the sun does, it's the Jeanette personality that embraced Vandal and thus the one he'll respond to
>or is this something I should go to /tg/ for?
Nah, it's a boring place now
>until she breaks
you mean until she gets comfortable to begin sitting in your presence, having her nose booped and reading e-mails together
To be healed she needs (you) to have an absurd amount of patience. Fortunately, time is an ally
the leglocking, tears of joy sex is amazing tho
>dat resolution
2004?
lmao
some may complain good porn only appeared after 2 decades but at least there's good porn
this mission perfectly communicated the "you are not top dog" feel after wiping the floor with everyone you met thus far
I played the game patched, without the german """features""" and new music unlocked, so I got the best version so far
>To be healed she needs (you) to have an absurd amount of patience. Fortunately, time is an ally
Jeanette would get bored of you, when you stop being the new thing
VV can't never be happy with you, because as a Toreador she needs to larp her star crossed lovers routine
But Therese is the path to true happiness
I think my favorite thing is that your clan choice really adds a lot of narrative fluff to the story paths you take, like how playing a Tremere just adds an entire layer to the Camarilla ending about how you are going to be brought into the fold of the Pyramid and be made the personal acolyte of Strauss after he overthrows LaCroix.
Does this game need mods?
For me it did, because it wouldn't run otherwise on my system
I don't even think the game will launch these days without some kind of community patch.
yeah
It depends if you consider an unofficial patch a mod; It needs that to play with fear of softlocks and gamebreaking bugs/crashes. Even the old devs acknowledge and recommend it, so it's basically official anyway. A lot of people will tell you not to use the plus patch the first go round, but it's really up to you.
Beyond that though there's no "Must Have" mods really. If you fall in love like so many others have though, you'll eventually want to add a little pep to the old step after enough replays. The big ones are easily to find, though vary a lot in quality.
Clan Quest Mod is good once you feel the need for a change but still isn't too drastic. It does have a couple pretty rough spots and choices, but the *Overall* experience is pretty solid.
I'm extremely partial to the CompMod, because it is my kind of autism. A guy decided that it'd be cool to have vampire companions, and the only way to make them companions and stay true to the story would be to force them, so he introduced whole new questlines with spliced voice acting that allows you to dominate key vampires with a magic "whatever" artifact.
It is obviously a labor of the dick, because everything is more or less an extremely convoluted and autistic reason to have Therese as a slave. And for it to make relative sense.
>immersive sim
Shit, now I'm tempted to reinstall.
>he uninstalled it in the first place
I have a drive that is just old games that don't get uninstalled, although my new PC has broken the installation for Alpha Centauri.
It really isn't one. Great game though, one of the best RPGs ever.
Yeah it's more like an adaptation of Troika's crpg style to a fully 3D environment + an adaptation of Vampire: The Masquerades tabletop rules. It's got frick all to do with whatever Looking Glass/Ion Storm were doing around the same time.
Hairy Tremere pussy
Who need they Tremussy ate?
she has a landing strip tho
>Hairy Tremere pussy
AGREED
Hello Ganker. You're up way past your bedtime aren't you?
I don't have a bed time, I'm 39 years old. Stupid c**t.
Chinatown was a mistake. Don't even have to wait for the abomination of a sequel to see the game get ruined
nice!
From a story and atmosphere perspective I prefer Hollywood to China Town, but I think just from a pure gameplay perspective, China Town is actually less of a slog than Hollywood. The sewers are just that fricking bad
The sewers are the worst part in the game
But them aside, it really is a descending order of Santa Monica>Downtown>Hollywood>Chinatown
Santa Monica and Downtown are full of quests NPCs and atmosphere. Hollywood has it but less, and Chinatown is very barebones
>The sewers are the worst part in the game
Really? I only played it through once but I found the entire final 2 dungeons to be worse by a large margin.
Also: should probably do a replay with a Malk. Should I install the Plus fan patch this time for more content or stick with Basic? Is Malk THAT different?
Malk is the only clan that has very extensive different dialogue trees
And you can sorta tell that's another thing that was cut because every other clan has like five unique convos total
For some reason the mod dev made Tremere blood magic even stronger in Plus patch. Crazy.
How so? More damage?
Camarilla Edition should balance it
Like Blood Strike no longer requires you to stay in place in order for the blood to return to you. You can kite enemies forever and just spam blood missiles for free.
Ah.
Yeah, unbalanced.
Though you'd stop using blood strike with the awesometastic Cauldron of Blood
>Really? I only played it through once but I found the entire final 2 dungeons to be worse by a large margin
I disagree, at least there's a finality to them and there plenty of humans to replenish your blood.
The sewers suck so much, because they're so long, look the fricking same (leading to direction confusion) you're not reaching towards an end goal (reaching the Nosferatu isn't the end goal of the sewers, its the quests. You already did your job when you defeated Andrei) and the fricking monsters are a fleshcrafted abominations with poisonous blood.
>Should I install the Plus fan patch this time for more content or stick with Basic?
I feel like that depends on you. If you starving for more content install the plus. If not, basic.
>Is Malk THAT different?
Sorta? Malk and Nos have pretty significant differences that are constantly remarked. it's worth a playthrough at the very least
It might've just been my character build was more suited to the sewers. Honestly my biggest struggle was with the graveyard-zombie sidequest until I spent a bunch of points on Celerity and then fricking breezed through it. So is that a yay or nay on the Plus patch? Is the extra content good or was it mostly cut for good reasons?
>So is that a yay or nay on the Plus patch? Is the extra content good or was it mostly cut for good reasons?
I mean, I like it (though I'm outdated by a few years).
There's nothing egregious out there, what it mostly drastically changes is quests in cut areas that are at least interesting to explore. The rest is just filler, like changing the location of objects, a dew extra fetch quest here and there
Frick it, I'll do a Plus Malk playthrough then. Thanks anon.
I think Sewers should be disregarded because nobody actually goes through it anymore. It's like bringing up Thieves' Guild in Thief: Gold. Everyone just skips it so it's a moot point.
>It's like bringing up Thieves' Guild in Thief: Gold. Everyone just skips it so it's a moot point.
It's still worth bringing up for new players. Personally I just play The Dark Project rather than Gold (shame I miss out on Song of the Caverns but the original game's just overall better)
I guess new players should experience it just to see how awful it is, sure.
ignore gays who say "d-don't play malk on your first r-run!"
fricking plebs
play malk on your first run and enjoy the fever dream
Same here, I didn't know what Malk was, and picked it. It was insanely fun and honestly made the playthrough better in everyway. Yea, you could get 'spoiled' but honestly, that just made it better.
So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabat nor Anarch? And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members? Seems like they should be a bigger deal and not just get introduced out of nowhere in the last quarter of the game without any prior mention.
>So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabat nor Anarch
In VTMB yes. In the wider lore I guess it depends on the edition? In the CYOA novels that I read which are based on V5 it seems like they have been merged into clan Hecata along with other necromancy themed clans.
>And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members
Yes.
>Seems like they should be a bigger deal
They are in some places. Just not where the game takes place.
we like it ignore the clan Hecata merge, since it is dumb. I mean if it was just Cappadocian bloodlines fine whatever, but they threw Nagaraja in there and then gave them Obenebration as part of the new "Oblivion" discipline for some reason...
All in all Giovanni were "information brokers" using info from spirits. playing both sides and loyal only to their family, all while trying to throw the world into the Shadowlands so they could rule over it like gods.... Then Augustus realized being a 600 year old "antediluvian" in name isn't the same as being an acutal one with thousands of years of shit to back it up.
V5 IS NOT
CANON
God I wish that was true.
I'll continue to export hordes of muslims to Sweden until Paradox retracts V5
paradox isn't even allowed to touch VtM (or any WoD property) anymore after that whole Chechnya thing...
vampires are a white-supremacist ideology?
that poster is a gay. ofc fascists and vampires aren't going to get along. seeing as fascists are ultra-nationalists and there aren't vampire nations in modern society. And the only vampires still around to remember it are all psychotic in their own special way.
you're a homosexual, even the WoD rpg has leftist garbage in it now and they're still pushing it. The new werewolf game was literally still political even AFTER the massive frickup of anon's pic related.
correct, it is insane Leftist garbage now... I fricking hate it.
Don't make me post Rudi
>The new werewolf game was literally still political
Yeah they didn't want the forest to be destroyed by a logging company. They're werewolves. They live in the forest. Of course they'd be against it. It doesn't feel forced at all.
What is "leftist garbage" when in the lore since forever vampires are shown to be totally incapable of forming long-standing and functional nations due to infighting? Unless you're going for a bit of "fascist who gets turned into a vampire" RP. Which is hilariously stupid.
dilate trooner
kek, this shit never fails iwva4b
to make me laugh
Yup. Gehenna/Apocalypse/world end happened and the metaplot died. as every writer intended. You are right anon.
Honestly, I really liked what they did with V20 and the metaplot agnostic ways you could continue the story
V20 was really solid. If it had a proper release, ot would've blown V5's bloated reported sales out of the water.
Also, likely not caused an international incident and sank the company's independence
I didnt read the V20 lore, but as a encyclopedia, Containing all rules updates, all powers and shit. V20 was really good, i agree.
Masquerade i like it more when its trapped in the 90's. Modern Vampire i just feel that Requiem does it better.
>I didnt read the V20 lore
It had very few of it's own on the sourcebooks, since it was mostly just an expansion to the main book's compilation.
Except for Beckett's Jyhad Diary, which had all sort of near plot starts that you could use. Or not.
>Masquerade i like it more when its trapped in the 90's. Modern Vampire i just feel that Requiem does it better.
Oh definitely. This is how I always summed the changes. It's VtM trying to be VtR and being worse than both
>So the Giovanni are neither Camarilla nor Sabbat nor Anarch?
Yes they're independent, one of the three Clans without Sect, the others being the Assamites and the Followers of Set.
>And they are also a clan and a family at the same time with non-vampire family members?
Yeah, they kinda work like a mafia/roman gens. The mainline is Giovanni from Augustus Giovanni, a Venetian merchant that diablerized his antidiluvian and embraced his own son. But they add other families to the wider Giovanni Clan too, mostly through marriage. The Milliners and Dunsirns for example.
>Seems like they should be a bigger deal
Ehh. Everything is a big deal. Yama Kings, Hunters, the Technocracy. VtM, like all individual lines, operates on a need to know basis. It's not that important unless it said it should be so
>Still the best immersive sim
Go frick yourself
Well, it is immersive and you're simulating a vampire.
Not really, you're more role-playing as a vampire on a computer. Hence why it's called a computer role-playing game. It's not simulating sound propagation, surfaces like wood reacting to fire or AI responding to both stimuli in a somewhat realistic fashion like in Thief or Deus Ex.
Mechwarriors are called sims despite the game not simulating me jacking off in an overheated wienerpit.
What now?
Yeah they're not called 'immersive sims' though. They're called mech sims or vehicle sims. That's different a different thing to Ultima Underworld and Thief.
But I am immersed when I play MW...
Then your standards of immersion are impressively low. You should try Fallout 3, game with world building that's so full of holes and inconsistencies that almost no one can get immersed by it.
I just realized when you fight Gimble shouldn't Carson see through his cell that you fight with superhuman endurance and other unnatural abilities? Wouldn't that already count as breaking the Masquerade?
There's also the factor of believing him
>whoa, a crazy amputation fetishist locked you up, cut off your finger and was killed by some beast in human form? ok buddy ywnbaw
>woke up this morning
>still wasn't a kindred neonate carving out his place in the local camarilla, banging schizo malk bawds two at a time
jdimsa
>woke up this morning
that was the first mistake Kine.
Damsel is for being lovingly mating pressed.
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The Nosferatu are shitpostting with my IP again!
Weird that the regular rule34.xxx still works. Does this one have more stuff? I hate going to the Paheal one
Dunno, it's the only one I use. Ther other alternative would be rule34hentai.net for e-girl / shota sfm. But you'd need an account to see it and Rastafarian is an absolute israelite when it comes to ad spam on that site.
>rule34hentai.net for e-girl / shota sfm
I noticed xxx has brought some of that back recently. At least I think so, because I had never seen Sarah Miller there
Also, is the search function still broken on that one?
You have to manually replace the blank space(s) in the url with + between tags for the search with multiple tags to work. Doubt they have fixed it yet.
next level self-inserting.
r34xxx has tons of stuff, and the best use of tags
r34hentai has a decent amount of stuff, but is full of adware shit you need to block, and it's secretly a e-girl congregation if you look at all the "top rated" content
>50% of the pic is staring straight into the guy's colon
For what purpose?
a lot of porn art is really gay
Being a vampire is not worth it unless you're like 5-7th gen. Actually it's not worth it period because if you've been embraced by a 4-6th gen elder you're 100% going to end up as a pawn in some insane scheme and die. I'd rather be a werewolf. I'm not a furry but at running as a doggie seems fun and I'd be able to attain crazy gains without working hard for it. Seems like the comfiest supernatural existence.
Werewolves are one of the bleaker stories out there, if you think your Tribe isn't going to be hounding (ha) you to do shit constantly or be fighting the Wyrm at every turn in progressively worse, suicide battles in a War your kind lost ages ago you are mistaken. and you can't just say no. it is very much written in your DNA to do what your Alpha says.
arent vampires the same? lacroix dominates you if you refuse him and hes older than the player
true, but only in the opening acts. later on you can fight him off. it isn't a creation laden impulse like it is for the woofs
>later on you can fight him off.
Because someone is probably fricking with your blood. What the PC does is not normal.
You cant dominate everyone , every time, its the kind of thing that makes you enemies in an actual role playing game.
Werewolves are kinda of homosexuals, but you need a sperglord who really loves the line to be a good storyteller for the game
Dominant only works on vamps of a higher generation than you and weaker will others.
to be fair, with the exception of Cain the Cab Driver Therese is the strongest Vampire in VtmB
BTW, Tourette is most likely 6th or even 5th generation due to her rumored sire.
What was the deal with Tourette anyway?
Is she just a Malkavian that larps as a tremere and she's the survivor of a pair of twins? (because I saw that painting in their office so I assume there really were two of them at one point, though I suppose they could've commissioned it to spec)
Long story short: she's a schizo who was molested by her father at a young age. She created her Jeanette bawd persona to keep herself "pure." After awhile during an episode of insanity or jealousy, she blew her father's brains out with a shotgun. She got sent to a mental ward for the insane. Eventually years later, her sire took a pity on her making her out and making her a vampire.
*breaking
She's a Malkavian who was raped by her father when she was alive, and had her split personality take all the "trauma". She was the good girl, Jeanette was the prostitute sister who seduced daddy. Till one day she killed her father and was sent to an mental hospital, when she got out she was still kind of nuts but was Embraced by a very low Gen vampire who had the same kinda deal with split personalities, so he liked her and Turned her. There was never another sister and the painting was probably commissioned afterwards and she LARPs as a Ventrue, no one who wants to have any upward mobility can come from Tremere.
I can fix her
which one? cause she was schizo before, but the Blood of Malkav pretty much created that reality for real
The prude
you brave son of a b***h
good luck
No one knows.
Common belief it's that's Therese is the original persona, and she created the fun loving Jeanette to cope with the intense trauma of being molested by her father.
However in their inspiration, Trilogy of Terror's Milicent and Therese, "Therese" was the loose one that slept with her father and subsequently killed her mother — and "Millicent" was an alternative personality with a repressed sexuality to cope with the horror of her actions.
It could be either
I always liked the Idea of a Malk just shrugging off Dominate
>b***h I can't even control my own mind what makes you think you can? Welcome to Radio Station Kray-Z
Well, when you put it like that... I don't know much about Werewolf beyond stuff I've gleaned from a playthrough of Heart of the Forest. They seem like a bunch of gay little homosexuals. Hardly the kind of creatures who are led by deranged alphas who force them into pointless and deadly battles. That made it seem like it'd be pretty easy to go your own way.
They were so deranged that the reason there ARE so few other Werecreatures is because they killed them all, since their Alphas thought "wolf is best" its called the War of Rage. its why there are pretty much only woofs. and since they are warriors they can't really deal with all the other stuff that the Wyrm is doing like Megacorps or pollution or psyops or corruption of the youth/culture
they were made do only fight, and the did that so good they killed the other Fera that were suppose to oversee those areas. its why Werewolf is about fighting a fight that you already lost a long time ago.
>Being a vampire is not worth it unless you're like 5-7th gen
This powergamer shit mindset is why the vast majority of players put 5 dots into generation and instantly try to diablerise any elder they find.
Learn to have fun as a super-human, without caring that you're not the top of the power-wank pyramid.
So I know Vampires can burn points to get boners but do they still cum cum or do they cum blood?
they can cum, either with that or the Blush of Life, its where Dampyr come from. living children of Vampires with their own regenerating bloodpools.
they play like Revanants with some tweeks
Man I kind of wish we could have gotten a cool Dampyr like Blade in VTMB. I just want more kino Blade content, I'm almost tempted to buy that Midnight Suns game because it has Blade in it.
there are a lot of cool Dampyr bloodlines with their own stuff depending on where your parent came from.
but if you want cool katana wielding mortals just play Hunter.
probably neither
I think it varied in some rulebooks
It was mostly left to your discretion
I always argued that they cum regular cum
Like, it's silly to say that a vampire can use blood to simulate sweat, vitreous, or whatever is is that keeps the vocal chords moist but not cum
Can someone post the vampire “freedom ain’t free” Spurdo? I’ve been looking for it for months.
This one?
It’s one where he’s talking shit about the Camarilla. I think he calls Lacroix “Le Cuck”. Your’s is cool too though.
Threadly reminder to look at the best reshade enb for this game that breathes new life into your gameplay, on the Nexus.
Why is he so based?
Tremere are all either based or cringe, it's not a half measures Clan
>DUDE, that is is WACK!
>Yes, indeed.
Magic missile casting motherfricker.
By not making an immersive sim? Bloody good RPG though.
By writing good scenarios, dialog, stuck with being based on being true to the OWoD grit and none of the latter day santized shit that WoD is going through no thanks to Swedish homosexual owners
I thought the last VN was ok.
Based. Pity you need to suffer through the distractingly woke first one for context, though.
Yes, the only reason I played shadows was because I bought it together with Coteries and decided to boot it up to see the shit show, ended up being pleasantly surprised. I've played single dev 0.1 games that were more coherent and baked than Coteries, it should've never been released as a game, maybe as a 3k word novella or some shit.
Tremere got what he fricking deserved.
You shut your prostitute third eye
And mouth
look me in the 3 eyes and say that Usurper
*flicks you in teh forehead eye*
*fricks with your fricking SOUL*
why do you die from sunlight when dracula was just fine with it
Because Dracula was a mage.
Dracula is literary fiction anon.
it was a curse laid on Cain by one of the Angels (Raphael), when he refused them, like Feeding on Blood and fear of Fire
Because by the time VtM came around the sunlight death weakness was mandatory in popular culture.
Also without it vampires wouldn't need to hide and could rule openly.
Requiem has rules that the less humanity you have, the more fricked by the sun you get.
Do you think Todd Howard cares if its male/female or type1/type 2 in Starfield? he just want what is his. if you have to lie to take some shekels, who cares?
Thats the perspective of a 500-600 year old vampires dominating big corporations and not caring about anything, except profit and the company running fine.
Many of the important people in VTM are vampires or connected to them, no? So since the dominant forces in our modern culture are woke doesn't it make sense for vampires to be woke?
>Many of the important people in VTM
I mean in universe, many of the movers and shakers in the mortal world are actually vampires. Like media personalities, CEOs, etc.
they kind of stepped back from that, it was getting a little nuts that every named person in history was a vampire and they don't do it anymore.
but everyone of the books wanted to that too... a funny thing /tg/ does is ask
>was Gilgamesh a Vampire, Werewolf or Mage
Vamps are addicted to the status quo, they literally have difficultly learning and adapting to new shit, its part of the ruleset.
Brujah are the philospher-kings of old even if they've fallen. So I'd imagine they would be ahead of the curve. Perhaps Toreadors too?
yeah the True Brujah maybe, not those Trolie frickups that are around now, they are just a mob of sheep, one of their canon clanbook premade sheets is a neonazi, Brujah don't care what you rebel against as long as you are "impassioned" enough to rebel in the first place.
>True Brujah
Sensationalist hooey, cooked up by superstitious yokels seeing phantoms of their own imagining
The 3rd Gen Brujah only embraced once
Does this face look like a coked up yokel!?
>unironically yes, albeit a cute one.
Depends on the edition, and even then the individual books.
Early on they liked making historical figures like Al Capone, Harry Houdini, and Oscar Wilde vampires. 2e stopped doing it as much but even as late as revised there was the odd famous embrace.
Beyond that it comes down to clan. Though by no means a majority, there's an uncomfortable amount of Ventrue in governments, NGOs, and big corporations. Toreador artists may become recluses after the embrace but still release their art to the public. Victoria Ash, the signature character of Clan Toreador, released a single that was filled with subtle jabs at Kindred she did not care for. This move was as you can imagine, extremely unpopular and put her on a lot of people's shit lists.
Basically you'll never see a vampire as a big public face, but as the true power behind the face? Eerily common.
If there's one thing leftist hate is admitting that their opinions are parroted by the media, universities, big companies and most politicians. They need to pretend they're the #Resistance
>nobody posted the clan lips picture yet
there ya go, you just had to ask frend
Ministry pls
who gives best sucky sucky???
Not Giovanni, thats for sure.
probably Salubri? since you have to want it in the first place.
>those malkavian lips
unf
I always thought they should be like chapped from being gnawed on but I can't into art.
Which one is the best gf material?
it's insane that no good vampire game exists outside of this. absolutely moronic.
Everything is heavily detailed and amazing
>2014
this is literally the worst source game ever made, it's like a 2/10 game
They just don't make music like they used to.
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European?
No, just gay.
It's the club song from the Asylum
>Bite guy
>Femvamp goes into full leglock
I had to stop doing that, it was an instant boner every single time
>OK, Elder
http://debofnight.andcuriouser.com/
is gone ;_;
Was it autism?
It was a Sabbat Bishop fricking with a Cammy Toreador, its why she immediately goes to commercial saying she "has something to take care of". And she is thought to be a torrie since she rips that fake writer a new one during one of her calls, works exclusively at night, and is does nothing but play music and interact with Kine all night.
it was just an example of the Sabbat fricking with the Camerilla
Guy just wants to sell furniture and obviously that didn't work out. So probably was just venting frustration
>Female
>Malkavian
>Endure endless shitposting noise
>Max Humanity Whole Game
>Frick over vampires
I don't even like playing good guys. I just think it's really funny.
>I don't even like playing good guys. I just think it's really funny.
Chaotic Neutral chadette
VTMB doesn't have enough random interactiveness to be an immsim which is my personal metric for the genre. If I can't flush the toilet or turn the lights off and on then it isn't one. Yes I understand that by this definition Duke 3D is considered an immsim, which I agree with.
Just about to play VTMB.
Anything I need to know beforehand? like corrupted saves, technical issues, and etc.
I have the gog version, so unofficial patch is pre-installed
Do open it.
Thank anons.
uhhh funny shit with memory overflow can happen if you play for like...5 hours at a time without closing the game, nothing bad.. but like... wallpaper might be replaced with brick tile... or a movable board/can might be replaced with bus...
honestly it adds to the flavor of a malk playthough.
Don't play as Nosferatu your first time through. People are 50/50 whether you should play as Malkavian the first time but whatever you do, don't play as Nos for your first time.
Don't play Nosferatu first. Don't play Malkavian first either unless you like Shakespeare.
I don't know what version of the patch GoG uses it but you're likely fine
And don't open it
Don't open it
Don't open it.
I accidentally opened it. Now I have to replay the game to figure out how he did it.
>guy manipulated the MC so well that he manipulated (You) too
First playthrough: open it, don't look it up
>Deus Ex is an ‘immersive sim’
>VTMB isn’t
Explain yourselves gays
I can drink water from water fountains in Deus Ex.
…that’s the metric for what an ‘immersive sim’ is? No wonder no one takes the term seriously
No. It isn't. It's about being designed around emergent gameplay, something that Deus Ex is built around. Vampire really isn't. They're both RPGs though hence the confusion.
So Tears of the Kingdom is an immersive sim? I’m not trying to be disingenuous here but there has never been a clear, concise answer to what an immersive sim is
>So Tears of the Kingdom is an immersive sim?
Goodness no, it's a bing bang.
Haven't played it yet but I have played the shit outta Breath of the Wild. Something like the chemistry engine is legit really similar to what Thief does via its Act/React Stimuli system/metaproperties. Short version: instead of the usual object-oriented way of programming Thief (and System Shock 2 by extension) boiled all of its potential interactions down to a list of 18 generic, universal stimuli (so that's elemental effects like fire, water and earth, things like light and 'Holiness' as well as a handful of weapon damages like slash and bash.) And every entity in Thief has a source (action) and receptron (reaction) where you can place these different stimuli as different kinds of actions and reactions and adjust the effect and intensity accordingly. And that's not even going into metaproperties or links or any of the other shit you can do in Thief's engine.
Unironically Breath of the Wild's chemistry engine is a really, really similar concept. The thing is Thief was doing that shit in 1998, the same year Ocarina of Time came out. Plus having that kind of system doesn't necessarily make something an immersive sim (games pre Thief don't use this system, Arx Fatalis doesn't use it and while most immersive sims after Thief use something similar it's usually a lot less elaborate or deep than Thief's implementation.) But Vampire the Masquearde Bloodlines isn't even attempting to do anything similar. Because that's not the kind of game Troika was trying to make. It's just morons thinking that immersive sim is another word for FPS/RPG that class it as one. That's it. And I fricking love VtMB
I an drink for people fountains in Vampire
Very cute
Post moar
There's more than enough Malks to go around.
femMalk is a cute
I will never not be mad
Have you watched the World of Darkness documentary?
there is a Documentary?!
It's about the IP, but it also has some footage and they talk about the failed MMO as well near the end. I think you can find it on TPB.
Watched the part where they talked about MMO. The reasoning they give there is bullshit, from multiple whistleblowers we know the problem was with the management constantly changing the direction of the game and jumping to the trends,it sound accurate and realistic if you actually played EVE, Dust
>The reasoning they give there is bullshit, from multiple whistleblowers we know the problem was with the management constantly changing the direction of the game and jumping to the trends,it sound accurate and realistic if you actually played EVE, Dust
Oh I know, anon, I remember that article very well. In fact, I have it bookmarked.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
>This constant build and rebuild approach meant massive issues in the development process. Features that were good enough to retain in one build had to be redesigned from scratch for the next because so many other interconnected parts had changed. Even when there was enough to play, internal testing revealed a confused and unfocused experience.
>Most of the sources spoken to for this piece identified the same problematic CCP manager, who had little vision for what the finished game would look like.
>“Not once could he answer any question about moment-to-moment gameplay or areas of focus,” says one source. “Instead, he preferred to deliver buzzword-laden rambles… It was not uncommon for him to communicate in onomatopoeia.
>"I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his fricking fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.”
I fricking hate eve devs so much
a modern mmo? nah no thanks. wonder how they would hve handled day/night though
can i get a quick rundown on this?
PUBG but vampires, but also bad
You fricking moron
>randomly reinstall and start playing VtMB
>suddenly multiple threads/comments about it on Ganker
end simulation please.
>simply exist as a Tremere
>Andrei continually has a meltie as I live rent free in his head up until I kill him
Always made me giggle
"Nictuku could be here" he thought. "I've never been in this warren before. There could be Nictuku anywhere." The cool methane fumes felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE NICTUKU" he thought. Isolated reverberated his entire sewer tunnel, making it pulsate even as the rat vitae circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of Absimiliard after dark. "With Obfuscate, you can go anywhere you want." he said to himself, out loud.
Toreador best clan
>immersive sim
>doesnt know what RPG mean
>reddit
Let see what ToreChads did
>Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine
>Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power
>Clan "curse" is boon to make her Kindred feel alive
>inspiration for the Path of Humanity
>Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece
>While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence.
>Toreadors are the leaders of culture
>so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage
>Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol
>founded the Camarilla
>Started the Renaissance
>started many trends really
>can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence
>sex appeal so strong even the most cold Tremere fall for them
>Malkavian lovers flock to them
>Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them
>Venture prize them
>Tzimisce praise them
>Asamites are befuddled by them
>guardians of Elysiums
>throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody
>hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others
>leave oldgays in the dust by getting with the times
>best girls are from the Clan of the Rose
When did you noticed Toreadors are the most powerful Clan, Ganker?
Also, they might have caused the Holocaust to get inspiration from the suffering of israelites.
Oh shit it's this copypasta. Haven't seen it for years.
Sorry but I already follow Lilith
Hope you enjoy an early True Death since Lilith is cursed to never be happy
Reject both Hell and Heaven, follow her teachings and be rewarded with a place in her Garden.
But really, it says a lot that Cain, Adam and God were all fricking c**ts and Lucifer was nicer than all of them.
we talking about Demon:TF I know me some Demon.
I wouldn't recommend following Lucifer, he has a lot going on right now, none of it good, for him or anyone else
When will Paradox stop pretending D:TF never existed? I want my Earthbound villains back.
I'm the moron playing Armored Core 2 and I want to thank whoever suggesting going straight into the arena because I think this is the way I'm going to get through, especially because I'm going to try avoiding Human Plus. The payouts are low but the lack of expenses is really easing the pain.
Also thanks to the dude who suggested the secret radar in the training module, though I only found the one.
The arena is also a lot of fun because Cores are severely less annoying to right as opposed to shit like planes. Hate those frickers so much.
At this point it is what it is, but am I going to miss out on a bunch of missions by doing this or does it not progress time?
by ripping off books and books of established lore and slightly changing it so its their own oc donut steal version
So, what every good writer does when making a setting?
bleh
I hope there will be a game that explores the lives of the Antediluvians.
Best to keep the Antediluvians mysterious.
*kills your granny easily*
>panics in Nosferatu
VTMB has fricking shit gameplay, the only thing it has going for it is the atmosphere
Deus Ex is way better
>the only thing it has going for it is the atmosphere
And the story
and characters
and writing
same shit, non-gameplay related things
Okay? Good for you? I'm happy for you or sorry that happened?
very feminine passive-aggressive post
Half the gameplay is dialogue.
Dialogue isn't gameplay
It is in a game with dialogue options that change things.
It's gameplay in the loosest, most basic sense of the word
It's like saying visual novels have gameplay
Still gameplay.
VTMBs dialogue is not good because it presents you with interesting choices to make
By making it nothing like the actual pen & paper RPG and going with cartoon caricature characters that were memorable and fun to interact with instead.
This is why Bloodlines 2 is probably doomed even if it ever does come out. Bloodlines was fun because it was unlike VtM. It was over the top in a subtle way.
>By making it nothing like the actual pen & paper RPG and going with cartoon caricature characters that were memorable and fun to interact with instead.
Lol wut
>Lol wut
Brainlet?
Every character in VtMB is based on an existing and recognizable archetype with facets added to them to facilitate the story the writer wanted to tell without coming off as overly cliche.
This is one of the best ways to approach character writing in general, but it's extremely difficult and rides the razor's edge between making something great and memorable versus absolute slop.
>Every character in VtMB is based on an existing and recognizable archetype with facets added to them to facilitate the story the writer wanted to tell without coming off as overly cliche.
And how's that unlike the tabletop? Or almost any other story, if your "archetypes" are broad enough?
>Brainlet?
moron?
>And how's that unlike the tabletop?
Because moron players and amateur GMs don't design characters based on what the story requires or what an entertaining thematic flow would be, they just make stuff they find cool and it's always a disjointed mess as a result.
Not really, I've spent a lot of time around people of varying ages, and people born up to 97' have more in common with people born earlier rather than later, completely different sets of interests.
>Because moron players and amateur GMs don't design characters based on what the story requires or what an entertaining thematic flow would be
But there's supplements for that. Chicago by Night, for example, which does that.
>Not really
Yes.
>and people born up to 97' have more in common with people born earlier rather than later
Entirely depended on who they interact with with day by day
If they're friends are younger they'll be indistinguishable from a zoomer
I forgot the pic
Also
*their
man the silent generation did a horse shit job raising their kids
They had to live under the shadow of the much cooler Greatest Generation and that bred contempt and resentment which they took out on the kids
I only really ever saw the 1997 mark
>gen z was 2005+
>then it became 1993
>now it's 1997
It truly is nothing but a marketing/election gimmick.
What are now referred to as "millennials" used to be called "Gen Y" (since they were the generation after "Gen X"
"millennial" used to mean someone born, you know, after the new millennium
I always used to think it meant those post around the year 2000, so 1985-2005.
And frankly that's accurate because those born a little after me up to 2005 are familiar with things I like.
Those born after are completely alien with what they like. They were born with smartphones in hand.
While I also grew up with smartphones around me, they weren't there from day 1. People born before 2005 remember a time when social media wasn't the suffocating horror it is today.
But of course the democrats needed to shift that goal post in 2016 for their electioneering, as always. That's what happens when banks funnel billions into their racket puppets.
Sorry zoomie, it was always 96-98
Millennial didn't mean someone born after the millennium, it was people who came of age around the millennium
If you were born after the millennium, then you were born with the internet and absolutely grew up with social media and smart phones
It's all generalisations based on a western middle+ class pov of course, access to these things would shape your outlook and behaviour
Obligatory
https://soundcloud.com/user-561832949/sets/deb-of-night-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines
>answered the question
>get pic
Am I fricked?
Nosferatu and Malkavian are different experiences from the other clan options. There are two schools of thought. That you shouldn't play them first, and that you arguably SHOULD because it gives you a genuine different experience with the core game. But Nosferatu is stealth mode. You can't be seen by NPCs or you get one irreconcilable strike towards a game over.
Alright, I just choose the blood mage vampire then.
brother you get the power to go invisible, you will be fine, just play it smart when you go out into the street, or stick to the sewer system (although that gets admittedly annoying) the people you HAVE to talk to for quests or shops will mention you being an ugly frick, but won't cause a Masquerade Violation
Like
I was actually a bit disappointed with how not different playing a Nosferatu was
You can walk out in the streets just fine, as long as you stay a couple feet away from none sidequest npcs you wont get a violation
Choose
for the only quizzes I always get Bandu Haqim or Lasombra, I like playing Malk or Torrie for VtMB though.
For me, I always get Losambra
Ventrue is my favorite clan but I've had fun runs with Toreador, Brujah, Tremere, and Gangrel (only with Animalism oriented shaman) as well. Never could finish a Nossie run. Sewers get too boring to look at and even with Obfuscate I don't like the stealth.
Ventrue. Love facetanking everything in a suit.
Malkavian is the only correct answer for a non-first playthrough.
There's nothing wrong with playing Malkavian first playthrough. Where did this dumb meme come from?
People spoil it for others by telling them how the dialogue is full of secret messages and it's not worth playing unless you understand them all.
It really doesn't matter though. I played Malk first without talking to anyone before and still enjoyed the dialogue. I also just enjoyed Malk for gameplay reasons too, guns + Dementation + Obfuscate is really fun.
any deb of night fans here
>constantly switches between third and first person
>immersive
lmao
Oh no! The Fledgling has been knocked down by Ming-xiao and she now looms over him. What do?
equip flamethrower
>die unnoticed and alone
>come back with super powers
>it's to be even more unnoticeable
Thinking about playing this again. Are their any graphical enhancement mods?
>Hello L.A, you're up way past your bed time, aren't you? Hope you've slipped into something comfortable, I know I have. If you're new to town or just new to this whole radio thing, you're listening to The Deb of Night, the only girl who will spend the night with you and leave first thing in the morning, guaranteed.
The only thing I'm looking forward to is more Deb of Night session from vmtb 2, that's it
Don't give yourself hope, dumbass
>hope
at this point it's just morbid curiosity on my end.
and your skills?
There is a direct correlation between how good an immersive sim game is and how unfinished it is when released.
hollywood and its missions were so damn great, love that scumbag flynn
>>20 years later
the best immersive sim
>How did they do it?
Not even top 3 immersive sim
1. Deus Ex
2. Thief 2
3. System Shock 2
>20 years later
>Havent seen a VtM:B thread 404 with under 200 replies
Not many other games can say the same
Is there any hope for VTMB2?
no, and there never was
Not at all
Only a fool's hope.
RTX soon, kindred
neat, sorta
It's good, but definitely not the greatest. It's too undercooked
>ywn get succed dry
The design philosophy of this game is the polar opposite of things like Thief and Deus Ex. What are you talking about? Not only does it lack almost all dynamic interactive systems, it doesn't even have explicit support for the build depth it should have. It devolves into linear levels that support only one approach. There is no emergent gameplay potential in VtMB. The very few things that you can do were manually implemented as officially recognized solutions by the devs. It's about as little systems-based as Thief 2014.
I agree but don't compare Bloodlines to Thief 2014. That's cruel
Imagine naming thief and Deus ex in the same breath with the implication they're similar games in the same genre
>same genre
It's funny how predictable people who don't know what "immersive sim" is are. I specifically named those two because I happen to know it's not a genre and people like you don't. They're games of different genres, stealth and pseudo-RPG, that were fundamentally designed from the ground up using the same design philosophy, of constructing the interactive framework based on dynamically interacting systems that produce emergent scenarios instead of enumerated ad-hoc implemented options for the player to explicitly choose from. VtMB is very much the latter.
The best description I ever found of immersive sims was from the Jurassic Park Trespasser postmortem (which was made by a bunch of ex-Looking Glass devs):
>Trespasser was begun by two former employees of Looking Glass Technologies, Seamus Blackley and Austin Grossman. By the time the game was rolling, two more ex-Looking Glass employees would join the team, and our common background was instrumental in setting the direction for the project. Looking Glass’s most distinguished products, Underworld I and II and System Shock, are games which in some ways are still ahead of their time, specifically in the areas of object-rich, physics-based environments and emergent gameplay.
>"Limited but rich" was a phrase which was used often early in Trespasser’s development. This phrase describes a game design philosophy consisting of choosing a reduced feature set, but putting more sophistication into each feature. Although solid-body physics based entirely on box-shaped solids might seem like only a rough approximation of the real world, the thinking was that a perfect simulation of solid boxes would be so much more flexible than the emulated physics of previous games that our gameplay would be deep and absorbing.
>Likewise, though we would only have a few different types of dinosaurs, the dinosaur AI system would allow them to react to each other and the player in a large variety of ways, choosing appropriate responses depending on their emotional state. Sophisticated, fully-interruptable scenes would occur spontaneously rather than requiring large amounts of scripting, and observing the food chain in action would be as absorbing as playing the game itself. Interacting with the limited but rich features would lead to "emergent gameplay," the grail for many of Looking Glass’ best thinkers since Underworld I shipped and fans began to write in describing favorite moments - moments which had not been specifically designed or even experienced by the team itself.
>"Limited but rich" was a phrase which was used often early in Trespasser’s development. This phrase describes a game design philosophy consisting of choosing a reduced feature set, but putting more sophistication into each feature.
That's pretty much what Thief did, and that's what Warren Spector was talking about when making Deus Ex, though I'd argue that the first DX game that actually managed to have the width of a pond and depth of an ocean was Mankind Divided. The first game still tried to do too many things too much and ended up having less than the desired amount of depth as a result.
The reason why Deus Ex is the way it is is just because they built that shit on top of Unreal which wasn't designed to be a deep simulation the same way Thief's custom built Dark Engine was. It was designed for Unreal and Unreal Tornament and that was about it. They got some of that shit working eventually but a lot of its 'immersive sim' elements are actually a bit janky. Spector himself admitted it in his Deus Ex postmortem which everyone cites but no one seems to actually read.
The original Deus Ex is stil very close to what a perfect game could be though, aside from the last area that's a bit rushed the game gave you so many freedom in a way that stayed fun and engaging. It's a meme nowadays but I've killed maggy chow in so many different ways.
Oh yeah. Not dissing it at all. One of the greatest goddamn video games ever. I prefer Thief 1 and 2 but I think that's just a personal taste thing.
>though I'd argue that the first DX game that actually managed to have the width of a pond and depth of an ocean was Mankind Divided
Why so? I've played it a few months back, wasn't that great
There are unironically too many levels and too many hub worlds. They are largely barren with nothing to do. Mankind Divided is filled to the brim with the kind of detail that DX1 only has in levels like Vandenberg.
got any examples?
t. never playedi t
I think a lot of people get that impression from the first real quest where you have to go into the beachhouse. You can sneak in, you can talk your way in, you can kill everyone, etc. And a lot of other quests, at least in the first half of the game, do give you flexibility at least as far as stealth/talk/kill.
Options alone don't mean that the development philosophy was a certain way. A visual novel can have multiple options, but those options were all manually implemented by the developer, they're not emergent possibilities due to the presence of dynamic interactions between systems.
If the game was like Deus Ex, you could carry a gas canister from a nearby service station, put it on the front yard, set it on fire so it explodes, causing loud sound propagation that reaches the hearing of the NPCs inside, who then investigate the origin of the sound, allowing you to get in from the back door to rob the house while everyone is outside. Something that none of the level designers ever intended, but was made possible due to the systems of physics object conveyance, object damage interaction, event sound production, environmental sound propagation and disturbance investigation AI programming.
People with talent who actually care and have the means.
>Every redhead in this game is 9/10
Based
Heather has a butterface
After all this years I am still prefer obfuscate Nosferatu playthrough
I seriously don't understand people's obsession with this game. No RPG can be considered good when it's just choose your ending bullshit.
t.zoomie
I was 10 when this came out. It's still moronic that literally nothing you do in the game affects the ending because the game is unfinished.
>Multiple endings have to be about ME
t.todd drone
no you LITERALLY just choose the endings out of a menu, what are you on? Did you even play the game?
>no you LITERALLY just choose the endings out of a menu
You don't though
Play the game
>I was 10 when this came out
>t. Misplaced zillennial
checked, but wrong
Zillenials start around '97
>Zillenials start around '97
That's already a zoomer
I don't agree about the best but it's definitely the most unique
I love this game but I've only played it once as a Tremere
is a Nosferatu playthrough completely different?
i dropped it after the sisters arc
it just hadnt established anything interesting besides that
I'll scream.
VTMB is the best game in terms of natural flowing and sounding conversations, how do they do it?
interesting characters and story
I can fix it. Not joking
i opened it
nice! Did you enjoy the surprise?
It felt like I was getting what I deserved
awesome! Me and my nephew had the same wtf reaction playing through 15 years apart. It's like in the movie Prestige, I just didn't see it comming
What will be the next journo grown buzz word for something that already has a word be?
Genrewank. When someone who autistically insists on categorizing things rages over the existence of old industry terms that were never used to define genres, that he really wants to force into being used to define genres, then gets confused when that doesn't make sense for different games that are associated with the same developer terms.
Too bad the sewers, the Chinese lady's level and the final attack on the tower all suck massive dick and sour the entire last half of the game
Was it Autism?
>there will never be a good vtmb co-op game that you can play with random people who you create quick but lifelong friendships with
yeah
i'm thinking it's over
Ocean House was great until I saw that the killer ghost is wearing a fricking fedora
the werewolf survival level is 100x scarier than the ocean house hotel level and i'm TIRED of pretending otherwise
trying to keep that werewolf at bay is nightmare gigafuel
The Ocean House has a better build of atmosphere and tension.
It's a slow increasing of the unnerving and the fear of the unknown
The werewolf encounter is pure panic brought about the fear of death. It's high adrenaline fear
They're also some of the better horror sequences I've ever seen in any game
Nah Ocean House is scarier on the first playthrough when you don't know if someone will chase you through the boiler room and you are slowly uncovering and piecing together what happened at that place. Sure on the second playthrough it's not that scary anymore since you know almost nothing can happen to you except some shit comes flying at you, but the first time around it's easily the scariest level in the entire game.
"scares" are not horror. You're not scared, you're anticipating reflexive adrenaline releases that increase your heart rate momentarily.
yeah meanwhile in the werewolf nightmare survival park
>when you hear the roar for the first time
>when you pull out your strongest weapon and it does no damage
>when you realise that it rips your healthbar in half with one swipe
>when you realise you're going to get fricking molested to death until you can somehow win at hide and seek for the next 3 minutes and 35 seconds against a monster that can smash through walls
>when you don't know about the way to crush it in the doorway
almost forgot
>when you realise it moves much faster than you do
I wonder how many people actually found about the door crushing naturally
I fully admit for the first two playthroughs I was too panicked to even notice the door
Only by reading a guide I realized he could be killed
I kinda like the UP change that you can kill him with enough firepower but it takes most of your arsenal. Reminds me of that metal carapace monsters in half-life
>when 10 seconds feels like 10 minutes
>when the timer runs out, you run to the cable car and it STILL hasn't actually arrived
How do you guys cope with the fact that femme malk uses a leglock as her animation for feeding on npc's and she will never leglock you?
Every female PC does that.
but none of the others wear a stripper cop uniform while doing it
Doesnt matter, tremere is hottest
>Immersive sim
The frick is this buzzword? Every time someone says immersive sim its always something different. Heres a list of genres I've heard people describe as immersive sim.
>Action RPG
>Turn based rpg
>Card battlers
>First person shooters
>Transportation Sims
>Farming Sims
>Anything with "simulator" in the title
The frick does it even mean.
>Why is he smiling? The father?
Why does she rate you as mediocre in sex?
That was added by the Unofficial Patch. It's not actually in the vanilla game.
Explains why they feel odd. Specially Jack being there
Are the emails an addition too or just the little black bookm
Some of the ratings are in the vanilla game, just not yours. I'm not sure if any others have been added. The emails are real too.
are malkavians the only vampires that have sex for fun?
Nah, there's all types.
By Revised, sex just wasn't seeing as worth the effort by the moving players, but sexuality was always a staple of the games.
Clan Novel there's even a sex maniac voyeur Nosferatu
>are malkavians the only vampires that have sex for fun?
Vampires don't really get anything "physical" out of sex that they wouldn't get 10x by sucking blood. So, even ignoring the taboo of acting "human", when they *do* have sex it's mostly a cerebral thing. Jeanette is just peculiar as being a "dirty prostitute" is part of her whole "bad girl" persona. She probably just gets off on the idea of how absolutely furious Therese is that she's using "their" body to do disgusting shit.
If there's a clan that's more likely than any other of having "sex" for fun it's probably Toreadors, as they usually are the one that try to cling on to their human lifestyle and emotions for the longest.
Arcueid and Roa from Tsukihime are teleported into the VTMB universe. What happens?
Redpill me on the unofficial patch. Why does the dev keep arbitrarily moving NPC's and fricking with the level design?
A bad case of being German.
autism
I think there's an option to purely use engine fixes now but I haven't tried it out yet
Way back when. During the time of the Patch Wars, the unhinged dude that made the Gold Patch used to say that Wesp5 did that and people approved because VtMB players had an unconscious need for a sequel that they would never have
Ahem:
Rudi
Finished it yesterday.
Jack, you glorious son of a b***h. Glad I didn't open it.
>Jack tells you not to open it
>repeatedly hints that he did something to it
>some people on here STILL chose to open it
makes me laugh every time
hints that he did something to it
Did he? I actually don't remember him saying he ever even got close to it. Honestly what made me choose not to was Beckett running me down the street to go "WHATEVER YOU FRICKING DO, DO NOT OPEN IT" plus LaCroix clearly having some hubris lesson going for him.
Also can anyone give me some opinions on which clans are more/less fun to play? I just did Tremere and had a decent time but thaumaturgy felt slightly underwhelming (I actually ended up prefering the Dominate spells). I know Malkavian and Nosferatu get very different game experiences, but right now I'm more concerned on which skillset is gonna be more enjoyable.
>Honestly what made me choose not to was Beckett running me down the street to go "WHATEVER YOU FRICKING DO, DO NOT OPEN IT" plus LaCroix clearly having some hubris lesson going for him.
The game kind of beats you over the head with not opening it. Multiple characters say nothing good will come of it including a psychic that is 100% accurate about the events of the game.
Brujah and Toreador are fun because of Celerity. Malk is probably more fun unless you really want to be a stealthy Nosferatu.
>unless you really want to be a stealthy Nosferatu.
Wishful thinking. VtMB is not Deus Ex. They never finished developing the game properly, and so the second half of the game does not let you sneak. The Tzimische mansion is the point when the devs decided that they should actively dissuade stealth due to it no longer being supported. You can't open the exterior doors unless you've alerted the NPCs and gotten into combat. There is no justification for it, they just don't want you to be able to sneak anymore, since the rest of the campaign is going to be linear action schlock. When you do get into combat and open the door, you get inside the house and in there all the geometry has its vision check colliders disabled, so all NPCs see you through all walls unless you're constantly in Obfuscate.
>just did Tremere and had a decent time but thaumaturgy felt slightly underwhelming
Black person, if you find boiling people in their own blood underwhelming nothing will excite you
It was cool to look at, but in practice I found it pretty useless.
>Cast Mass Suicide from Dominate.
>Everyone in the area instantly dies.
>Cast Blood Boil.
>One person starts floating and swelling.
>If 5 whole seconds afterwards some enemy hasn't moved the frick out of the way, they'll get damaged by the explosion and probably die. If.
>Doesn't even actually deal as much damage to bosses as Suicide.
>Mass Suicide
Oh yeah, man the Vanilla dominate powers were super lore breaking.
But, regardless, if you're going by practicality Blood Shield+Blood Purge+Any Weapon is basically unbeatable.
Plus, if you get the Daimonori, then I'm pretty sure the 40% damage will mog even the Mass or individual Suicide abilities
>Plus, if you get the Daimonori
Just googled that. I didn't. I actually never moved out of the Santa Monica haven.
>Knew that wasn't the only apartment in the game because I had seen a pic of a nicer one long ago before I started playing.
>Already at the point where you start going to Hollywood and still haven't gotten one so google it.
>Turns out I had to be polite towards LaCroix., and that was way too far back to reload now.
>Oh, says here Tremere actually can get another o- nevermind, that's if I do the epidemic quest for Strauss instead of the Anarchs first, frick.
>that's if I do the epidemic quest for Strauss instead of the Anarchs first, frick.
You can do for both of them. I didn't even knew you could get cut from one side until later because I always visited Strauss first, and I think you can't tell Damsel that you're working for him but you can vice versa
Also you need to follow what he tells you in the gargoyle quest
The Apartment is neat, it even has a bar
Yeah well I basically skipped straight through all Strauss content because I realized where he was at the butt end of the Downtown part of the game, and I didn't think to check back on him for Hollwyood.
>playing tremere
>not constantly checking with the local Regent
You'll never make it to Magister at this rate anon
Tbqh getting stuck at some downtrodden shithole because I was too snarky and/or ignored all the elders fit right in with my mental image of my Tremere vampire as a John Constantine-style hard boiled problem solver.
>my mental image of my Tremere vampire as a John Constantine-style hard boiled problem solver
With these adolescent fantasies you'll never amount to much beyond a two-bit conveyor of parlor tricks. And that's if you're lucky enough to not ran afoul of a Camarilla city with a proper Chantry
Join the pyramid, vampirenon. Through stability and unity you'll come to learn great things
*Picks independent ending*
Nah, I don't think so.
Then you shall meet a terrible fate. An unending Tartarus, bleak and unending
Just one more tuesday.
Ahh the follies of youth
Too many lost too soon
Sorry, it's good, but it's got nothing on Deus Ex.
you will NEVER get orange.
That's fine, I wanted lemon lime, after all.
>authleft JC
>ran a VTM game
>had a ton of weird tzimisce sex
>bunch of sweaty dudes ERPing together
>also ran a vtm game
>Tzimisce player
>homeless surgeon
>turns himself into a woman with huge breasts
>travels around in a wheelchair despite legs having no problems
>kidnaps a baali neonate for 'reasons'
Why are they like this?
I hope there was at least one mildly frickable fat chick to compensate this cringe
wait a second
are the tzimisce behind the troony movement?
no because a tzimisce could actually make them look convincing
It's honestly pretty fitting
Sascha Vykos was actually the first troony I've ever heard of in media.
And he's a gross, degenerate pervert with an auto-gynephillic fetish
The Tzimisce PC in my game was also a surgeon, I think that's just everyone's first attempt at making a decently normal humanity Tzimisce, as everything else is "BODY HORROR ALIEN ANDREI TURN KINE INTO FURNITURE"
He didn't turn himself into a woman, he did turn himself into a 5 appearance handsome man though, and then stalk and ghoulify his niece, the only living reminder of his sister, whom he loved.
>Play game
>Very enjoyable
>Get to somewhere in midgame where its just huge combat mission
>Come back to cities and immediately get told to go to next mission, no new dialogues except for like 3 people telling you what to do
>Do sewers
>Takes forever
>Come back and again, almost no new stuff, sent to next mission
>Wedding is fricking way worse than the sewer, these fricking guys literally just spawn out of every wall
>Finish mission, again, almost nothing new just immediately sent back into shitty combat mission
I couldn't stand it and couldn't finish it, anything cool that was built up early was just completely gone after it was back to back drag on combat shit, even the sewer wasn't so bad as much as the fact that its followed by 3 more shit setpieces I didnt even get to the stupid exploding box it was just "nice now go do next thing" this shit sucks
is fricking way worse than the sewer, these
>Wedding
What?
It just isn't a good game, or even an RPG. The worst part is the poseur fanclub. It's the TT/LARP community all rolled into one morbidly overweight pizza casualty. Vampire lore deserves better than this emo scene queen garbage. I'm surprised no-one's modded a Hot Topic into this piece of shit yet.
you really thought you were doing something with that post huh? back to the drawing board champ, time to rethink some things...
This is one of the best 9/10 games I played
>teleported to childhood by most themes
>can tell people to kys and some do
>have cool powers, can be a pretty nice guy or a sadistic shitlord
>massive boost to replayability, every clan gets at least some tailored replies
>can still get fricked if you don't pay attention, especially by the ending
I remember choosing not to open it as the canon ending. For a little while I just stared at the screen and contemplated what do I really want to do. Few games were so interesting
>9/10 games
Are you moronic? Bloodlines has a lot going for it but the level design and actual gameplay is fricking awful. Not just mediocre. Fricking awful. This is not a 9/10 game. It's a 7/10 game at best and that's entirely due to the writing. If anyone else had written this game it'd be considered a complete dud.
Nah, it has great level design, right about until Chinatown
And the gameplay is very fun
how does a vampire deal with ghost?
>You don't, they're perfectly harmless.
I remember being able to jump over the broken stairs despite the scripted event trying to suck you underground
Is something wrong with my game or is stealth ridiculously broken? I have stealth at only 4 and I can stand right in fron of guards and they won't see me. At most they react in "is there someone? must have been the wind" ways
No that's just how stealth works, it's broken as a stat. Don't put much more to it, make sure you get stats into a combat style because stealth won't help you with bosses.
stealth is broken, usually a good idea to get 3 max unless your dex is higher, then you may invest even less
I thought she would be more plot relevant
you know I just realized that all the hot girls in this game are described as broken in some way, dunno if it's a social commentary or just to make them hotter
I mean, most characters in general are broken in some way.
>Mercurio had literal broken bones
I wonder who gave him blood, since it wasn't the PC.
He does say he gets his blood from the Prince, though that may just mean the Prince authorized/provides it and it's not actually his blood
especially since he still backs you up if you go against the Cam
>500 posts
good thread
is fire arm shit?
Melee seems to do a better job here.
Early game all the firearms are really weak and melee is strong with even minimal investment.
This changes abruptly at Hollywood. You get the Anaconda there, one of the best guns in the game, and Mercurio starts stocking military grade shit. From this point on melee is diminishing returns and firearms get exponentially stronger. With only like 3 firearms the AUG will carry you through the endgame combat slogs.
Thank, anon.
I will just continue investing in fire arm.
Fresh thread where?
how do I make a new thread