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genuinely can't top this.
OH WOW HE SAYS "DAMN"! SO EDGY, AMIRITE?!
Meanwhile there's a word "hell" in DK64.
"Hell of a guy" is a positive phrase though so it's much less edgy.
Came in expecting this. Literally:
>Let's take sonic, make him black, and give him a gun.
You know Shadow existed before the game Shadow The Hedgehog, right?
Giving him a gun was the natural conclusion of making him black tbh
It was a big culture shock going online and finding out Americans consider this swearing. In Australia this is about as tame as care bears
Even more tame stuff like "crap" or "sucks" is something adults in burgerland don't want kids hearing either.
>sucks
This was a common word in american media for kids idk
What really sucks if you have very religious family with no swearing on muh Christian server policy. It depends on whoever is in charge in that family, but usually you have at least a couple of random harmless things strictly banned from mentioning, like the phrase "cool beans" or fashion mags or whatever.
Christgay parents are really not all that different from regular normalgays in this regard. Where the latter get their tastes from what their favorite celebrities are into, what the former prohibit usually comes down to whatever their pastor or the 700 club happened to rail against that week or whatever.
can confirm
I remember being mildly shocked when Daxter said "crap" in the opening cutscene of jak 1. And then once again when he said "piss" in the opening cutscene of jak 2.
Not remotely true, children's shows here regularly used those words. You could just flip on the tv and hear it on any kids network. Its so strange hearing these fixations foreigners get about us.
The only truly edgy games I can think of were Postal 1+2, Manhunt, the RPGMaker Columbine game, and maybe some doom wads of a kid's school or whatever. Even then they were jokes. Real edge has to take itself seriously and I can't think of any video games that do that while also pushing the envelope in a meaningful way.
You anons do realize the saying something sucks is the same as saying it sucks dick, or wiener, right? Of course older Americans (early boomers, silent, and greatest gen) would've thought kids saying that is inappropriate, and generally they did up until the mid to late 90s. As usual, israeli media normalized homosexual behavior/speech and here we are today. Same thing applies to
>this blows!
Blows what? Hm? It's homosexual speech and you're either ignorant to the etymology (I don't blame you), or you think it was totally okay and normal for children to talk about gay oral sex.
literally no one thinks of sucks or blows in a sexual context though. it's been completely defanged as an idiom. blows specifically brings to mind some kind of dud or collapse over the sexual act.
It doesnt take israelites for a swear to become normalized. You ever hear the original definition of "scumbag"? It was a victorian phrase for a condom. Became a swear and eventually just a PG insult.
I'd never made that connection before, I've always thought about it in the context of like... vacuum cleaners
I actually got a bar of soap in my mouth for saying suck as a kid. FFVII was one of the funniest games ever made due to how boomers hyped up cuss words as powerful as the forbidden fruit to us when we were kids. Much so that I remember being told that people who cuss go to Hell.
Speaking of, I remember after beating the game (PSX version) counting which of the main cast said a cuss word and the only one that didn't was Tifa (I had no idea that wench was a cuss word until the PC version censored it and played that years later). Pretty funny nowadays because she is one of two characters that use a word that is the equivalent of saying Black person nowadays.
"wench" is pejorative but it's not a swear word
Doesn't Tifa say "dont be moronic" in Shinra HQ if you take the stairs?
My mom walked by when i was playing Clayfighter on N64 and Boogerman said "You suck." Didn't make a big deal out of it, but i recall she wasn't happy.
Hell, my dad wouldn't let me buy Contra on nes cause the cover had guns on it AND Barker Bills Trick Shooting because of the title. Which makes zero sense since he let me play Interstate 76 on his PC.
Correct.
Wrong.
The first time I was ever sent to the principal's office was in 3rd grade for saying "That sucks"
The entire room went silent and singled me out when they heard me say it, the teacher was all fire and brimstone, and my mom picked me up from school that day.
And I will never forgive public school for allowing shit like that to happen to anyone.
The fact that the emphasis is on "fourth" and not "damn" slays me
I basically had this image in my head when reading the OP despite never playing these games. In early 2000s almost every character got a "dark" version of them lol.
I unironically love Shadow the Hedgehog
NMH and especially God Hand are not edgy besides a few surface level things
No more heroes is totally edgy, wtf are you talking about
NMH is way too goofy and self-aware for it to be edgy in the vein of this thread.
you know i never noticed shadow has fangs until now
Sonic has fangs in SADX as well. And you better not be looking at Secret Rings cover art closely, you may find something terrifying.
Is Euphoria actually all that scat-heavy?
What? What did he mean by this
You know, Euphoria, the edgy sadist hentai featured in that image that infamously has scat
Oh, you're not talking about that tv show with the druggo kids and the blonde chick with big breasts?
Very much so. The VN moreso.
Most of the girls shit and piss themselves as they’re being tortured or dying, IIRC there’s an option to disable it tho
It contains scat, but people tends to overrate that aspect to scare zoombas.
Taimanin Asagi, the VN itself, features scat too, but it's not as heavy you think it is. Same with the original Bible Black, which had only one mediocre defecation scene.
None of them are Night Shift Nurses, now that's scat heavy.
same
>Funny Games
>Evangelion
Those are from the 90s though
KINO
KINO
ITS LIKE TAKE CANDY FROM A BABY WHICH IF FINE BY ME
Jak II famously had a lot of these moments. I thought it was lame when first playing it, but looking back at it now, I get that it was just the devs for doing it for fun, purposefully stuffing the game with these lines to the point of parody.
Did it? I could've sworn 90% of the edge went away after the first hour and it felt like another Jak game.
Yeah, nearly all of those moments were put in the very beginning, with Jak escaping from the prison and then all the Torn cutscenes following that. The game actually has a lot of silly moments later on, that I would say outweigh the edginess from early on. But since all the edgy stuff was so heavily frontloaded, that was the most lasting impression for most players.
Probably did that because demo disks were still a thing, and those along with the promo material only showed off the first chunk of the game. So they put all the hardcore shit in there for those reasons to really hammer in the new direction the game was going in compared to Jak 1, then they eased up with the unpromoted content. Same thing with the PoP 2 game, that line in the OP was from the very first tutorial level. Not that the rest of that game became much less edgy overall, but still. That half naked girl in the demo isn't even the main antagonist, but she's the one in all the promo shit because it sold the game better than Kaileena would. Seemed to be the case for a lot of games back then. They put the really good shit they want potential buyers to get hooked on in the first half of a game, because that's where they pull the levels to paste into demo disks of show off in commercials and magazines, while the latter half of the game is an afterthought. Other games popping in my head thinking about this trend being Primal, which really emphasised the first world Solum and the Ferai form in promo material, Soul Reaver, and even Spyro. Spyro showed off a lot of the first homeworld in promos and demos, and the levels just feel a little more polished and the songs feel more distinct from the rest of the soundtrack. Case in point, the first boss Toasty has an absolute banger track and is like the one level to properly utelize the side roll move in the entire game. Then Dark Hollow is the only level in the game to feature lightable campfires. I could go on but yeah. Anyone else notice this trend with first portions of games being more refined/more heavy in the theming because they needed more attention due to being what made it out in magazines and demos? Any other examples you guys can think of?
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Probably did that because demo disks were still a thing, and those along with the promo material only showed off the first chunk of the game. So, they put all the hardcore shit in there for those reasons to really hammer in the new direction the game was going in compared to Jak 1, then they eased up with the unpromoted content.
Same thing with the PoP 2 game, that line in the OP was from the very first tutorial level. Not that the rest of that game became much less edgy overall, but still. That half-naked girl in the demo isn't even the main antagonist, but she's the one in all the promo shit because it sold the game better than Kaileena would. Seemed to be the case for a lot of games back then.
They put the really good shit they want potential buyers to get hooked on in the first half of a game, because that's where they pull the levels to paste into demo disks or show off in commercials and magazines, while the latter half of the game is an afterthought.
Other games popping in my head thinking about this trend being Primal, which really emphasized the first world Solum and the Ferai form in promo material, Soul Reaver, and even Spyro. Spyro showed off a lot of the first homeworld in promos and demos, and the levels just feel a little more polished and the songs feel more distinct from the rest of the soundtrack.
Case in point, the first boss Toasty has an absolute banger track and is like the one level to properly utilize the side roll move in the entire game. Then Dark Hollow is the only level in the game to feature lightable campfires. I could go on but yeah.
Anyone else notice this trend with first portions of games being more refined/more heavy in the theming because they needed more attention due to being what made it out in magazines and demos? Any other examples you guys can think of?
See I wanted to space it like this, but I always worry of some moron shouting Reddit Spacing for doing it. Thank you though, anon. I realize it was really hard to follow initially.
reddit hasn't had "reddit spacing" since years ago, when the default editing mode was changed from markup to wysiwyg
>Spyro 1 demo
it's my all time favorite demo. very extensive too compared to your average demo in terms of content shown. I also remember the spyro 2 again featuring some of the best levels in the whole game, although they happened to be from somewhat later on.
Too bad the game is a cluster frick of shit compared to the first.
And he's black himself wtf
Shadow’s an oreo and works for the feds
Black police showing out for the white cop
>not even kirby was spared
kek
NoA actually started ruining Kirby's image with with his second game:
Commercial for KDL1 already tried to show him having more edge than average "macho" heroes.
They were frickin' unsure on how to sell a game about cute pink ball to testosterone filled US kids and chose obvious marketing strategy.
Classic
you have to admit american kirby looks pretty cool
I will never get weebs being upset by "American Kirby" box art when almost every game after the first has the juxtaposition of being a cute-cool character in the vein of something like Sparkster. It's like they never play beyond the first level.
Because it creates the impression that marketers think Americans won't buy anything that looks "cute" unless they're a girl
Meh, i suppose, but in the case of Kirby, id argue intense Kirby better reflects the content of the games.
I like both characterizations of Kirby, honestly.
>The duality of man
The whole thing
Didn't seem forced or over the top considering Kratos is a rage-driven god of war. He should be violent and filled with vengeance, that's what war is all about.
this game only lacks hamburgers in it, you can tell it was made for the american audience. at least in shadow the edgydog the edge is cartoonish and thus more bearable.
it's edgy but in a good way. like carmageddon or manhunt.
>hamburgers
not exactly that, but one of the unlockable costumes that you can get after beating the game is Chef of War
Lel, he looks like a character from Ratattouile movie.
Does the sex mini-game still work with that outfit?
We don't see the actual process but I'm sure those maids will love Kratos' grilled sausage.
It was edgy but fun. I'll take these any day over the soulless nuGoW games.
something so basic. the fantasy of being an edgy badass and not giving a shit about anything. yet no other game has done it kek
The fans of this game were always women and homos
Every fan is homo. Regular people just enjoy stuff, they're not crazy about them.
So just like DMC
>Action game has their subset of homos and yumes
Fire is hot.
Grass is green.
Water is fluid.
I prefer the NTSC cover in this case.
The way the shadow on his right pectoral blends with his goatee makes it look like he has an extra long beard on the PAL cover.
>feminist enters thread
Better times
kek
reminds of how they actually gave Crash tribal tattoos in his Titans redesign
God I completely forgot about that.
Universal really had no fricking clue what to do with him and every game of that era just felt like them blindly throwing a dart at the wall to see what works but nothing did.
I have the GBA SP associated with Mario’s kino tribal tat
ngl looks kinda dope
>Max Payne
didn't know there was a gba version
anyone try it?
I have. It's a surprisingly faithful port. Just make sure to switch from the default control layout so that your directional controls aren't all rotated by 45 degrees.
the full ad
>winamp skin
cool
It really whips the llamas ass
i've just discovered about winamp skin museum. the internet got back being an awesome place.
i winder what those 3 mp3s are
my guess:
Linkin Park - In the End.mp3
Drowning Pool - Bodies.mp3
Clawfinger - Black person.mp3
Oh shit there's 4 songs!
The last one is Super Mario Bros Theme (Medley).mp3
Too bad this wasn't a costume in Mario Odyssey.
Mario would have a Tom of Finland tattoo, not that shit
Absolute peak of garbage cultural trends
an internet browser? That's more curious to me than the winamp skin
I was wondering the same thing, but couldn't find anything more on it. I'm was thinking maybe it was just a custom theme for an already existing browser.
What was the appeal of these tattoos? Why were they so popular?
>ifunny
>six replies before someone points it out
fricking newbies
>Jak X - 2005
>Queens of the Stone plays in the opening cutscene
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this felt like peak edge
This game had two songs from Queens of The Stone Age in it. One of my favorite bands, ana my favorite track by them, the Jak series is also one of the favorite games series, I love the edgey route they took with the series. I thought it was badass. Only wish they had made more of them.
loved the entire soundtrack as well
really amps up the sense of speed too
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I'm surprised no ones posted this game yet.
the entire series since day 1 has been edge, nothing in black really is over-the-top compared to anything else they did.
TMB isn't the sort of "anti hero", edgelord, Sasuke from Naruto vibe I think OP is going for. TMB is legitimately nihilistic.
Twisted Metal Black was one of the few games that outright did nihilism and got away with it because the gameplay was fricking fun and it turned out the whole nihilism aspect is the developers deliberately fricking with you and setting up a mystery that a community had to work together to decode online. Shit was incredible unless you lived in Europe where all of it was removed due to post 9/11 paranoia.
Dollface's ending is all I remember from this game. So yeah, very edgy.
I appreciate that they gave everyone back stories into how they never evil vehicle drivers but can't remember shit, one I remember was the guy with wheel arms had them fused against his will by his father for doing something wrong.
not edgy. just authentic.
All the games with those black rappers.
Def Jam Fight for NY is surprisngly not all that edgy
It was a shift but it wasn't narratively superfluous.
you play as an edgy vampire chick with bouncing breasts and guns. and you fight nazis. including one who's a descendent of elizabeth bathory? its nuts
>and you fight nazis.
ummmm wow, virtue signaling much???
Yeah rayne is edgy as a character and it's like emo queen of the damned nu-metal edgy "i like killin natsies, but im also an emotional vampire, but I'm going to cut off your head and arms and legs and drink your buddy's blood till he dies, then unload a few clips into this zombie like Lara Croft before I triple lux backside 1080 rodeo flip off this spider things face and land on a telephone wire while changing guns" kind of edgy. I love this game.
Nazis? The ones that genocide Palestinians and run this place? Sign me up.
Fun to play as a villain sometimes
the spirit was there, I wish this had been edgier
How is this edgy? This scene is the pinnacle of gaming
this is just rate being their typical oppai loving selves
The ONLY example of "edge" in this entire thread is Shadow the Hedgehog.
Warrior Within was absolutely trying to cash in on 2000s edge.
That's the only other one that's even debatable. And even then it wasn't THAT bad about it.
Get a load of this then.
too bad we never got the megaman version
his gritty reboot was a real project called Maverick Hunter that got cancelled
>Maverick Hunter
Holy frick my sides, are in the orbit after looking this trainwreck up
looks cool, but also like a weak copy of metroid prime
So glad this got canned
We already have edgy mega man anyways, and it looked cooler too, not some b-rate bollywood shit.
was the gritty, brown and gray era of the late 2000s and early 2010s the natural continuation of 2000s edge?
sort of. half of it was genuine but also aritifical due to certain agencies looking to promote narratives to continue 'efforts'. i think that was what started killing edge imo. it just got hijacked after a point and people didnt want to associate with it anymore.
Edge was tiresome and played out by the time Warrior Within and Shadow were released.
not really. there was demand for it there, since a lot of people were complaining that faux-happy bullshit began to sweep in around the mid 2000s, which was sometime around Shadow was released. it wasn't all that saturated contrary to what some believe, since not everyone was on places like ng and the anti-edge pushback wasn't exactly welcomed everywhere.
Mid-2000s was all about "realism" and brown n bloom shooters. I don't recall any happy trend once the PS3 came around. LittleBigPlanet? That's all I know.
He's delusional. Expect people defending the Bloom and Brown era soon.
people were defending it when Nintendo downgraded the visuals of TP when it was rereleased on the Wii U...so..
Yeah, I spoke too soon anyway. Was recommended a new video from the bespoke video game channel fawning over some generic 7th gen piss filter tactical milshooter, so the future is already now.
i mean, tbf, bloom isn't exactly exclusive to 7th gen. its a design technique in the end. only before the 7th gen you had to vertex it into the textures to capture certain effects. so its not all bad. its just more obvious in the HD era since people were new to the tech.
To be fair, when I think egregious bloom, the first game I think of is Guild Wars, which I think predates the 7th gen by a few months. Obviously, it is just a tool, not good or bad by itself, but people just shoved that shit in their games as a substitute for proper lighting. And the main thing that made 7th gen so ugly was the brown part.
I'll take 2000's edginess over 2020's everything being quippy/meta/snarky/"that just happened!"
I'll admit that I at least someone defend it because I was the prime demographic for it when it was big. It's hard to explain WHY I want to defend it though, maybe it's just because I hate people being ironic so much that the "ow the edge" era that genuinely thought it was the coolest shit ever, is better to be because at least they really did think they were cool. That isn't to say there weren't edgy shit that was edgy because corporate suits told them that's what was "in", but a lot of it was just part of the zeitgeist.
>someone
somewhat*, I meant
>everything being quippy/meta/snarky/"that just happened!"
Get over it, baby. Gex and Bubsy won.
Unironically it was different back then. There is a difference between the people who wrote MST3k, and the people who grew up watching MST3k
>because at least they really did think they were cool.
The majority of "edgy" content of the era was just the same types of corporate orders trying to cash in on what was "cool" of the time. If you want any honest media with edge, it's only going to be from a creative with full control that is creating it with no intent to chase fads and trends. I would say the insane creative autism of Kingdom Hearts 2 comes off as more honest "edge" then something like God of War intentionally trying to come off as a mature content game or Shadow the Hedgehog and Jak 2 literally being made to chase trends.
I just have more belief that it's more genuine if it comes from Japan since you know, chuunibyou is a thing
I'm going to defend it anyway. First off, yes I will fully admit it's at least partially because the 2000s edge is pandering to MY teenage years and not what we have now, I'm completely shameless in my bias there. But putting that aside, it feels more real because the fact of the matter is, teenagers ARE edgy. Teenagers do genuinely think they're cooler and tougher and more dangerous than they actually are, and in their deepest fantasies oh man, all those people laughing at them would be sorry when they showed how much cooler they are.
You know what teenagers aren't? Fricking irony-poisoned dipshits who don't REALLY like anything, that phase doesn't start until you're in college.
You're honestly just out of touch with the younger generation.
Am I? Being "edgy" can take different forms, has different aesthetics over time, but it ultimately has the same basis: doing the thing you're told you're not supposed to do. Refusing to conform not because you genuinely don't believe in the thing you're rebelling against, but you get a kick out of your elders being upset at what you're doing. Every generation of youth does this aside from the fricking squares, to use a term from before my time.
I'm in my mid 20s with a sibling in their teens. Everyone I knew in high school fell in the latter category you described, and my sibling's cohort seems the same way.
Most people in every generation are, by definition, conformists. Because if it was the other way around then it would be the edgy ones conforming. But there is always the subversive element in society. The people who do thinks because they're told they shouldn't.
Think of it this way, how many people here in the early days of Ganker said Black person because we were told all our lives that was a word we couldn't say and it felt empowering to break the taboo, vs people who said it here because they were just genuinely racist?
It's not that they're conformists; they just mock authority differently. It's less about being cool and tough than it is just taking the piss out of others.
>But putting that aside, it feels more real because the fact of the matter is, teenagers ARE edgy. Teenagers do genuinely think they're cooler and tougher and more dangerous than they actually are, and in their deepest fantasies oh man, all those people laughing at them would be sorry when they showed how much cooler they are.
>You know what teenagers aren't? Fricking irony-poisoned dipshits who don't REALLY like anything, that phase doesn't start until you're in college.
I get what you are saying, but for me atleast, as a teenager, I never found this kinda content to be cool. I guess i was just always self aware enough that I had a bit of levity in how i viewed myself and the world around me. I always liked stuff that could balance "coolness" and humor, like I find a character such as Wario and Duke Nukem way cooler then most "edgy" characters. If anything, now i find the "edgy" content of the past more charming then I did back then. Less so the creation of it, since most of it was board room dictated, but more just the idea of the content being made to appeal to a demographic of the era such as yourself that found actual entertainment from the content. I really wasnt a fan of the tone of Sonic Adventure 2, but god damn i cant wait to see how much the new movie adapts from it.
I mean I liked it then and still have nostalgia for it now, but I hate the reason it went away, it was because so many people who used to think it was cool cringe at it and are embarassed by it now.
Sometimes it's a blessing to have less self-awareness thanks to autism, it doesn't make me stop liking things because of public perception.
i disagree about gow. jaffee has been revealed as a hack a 1000 times over and is now a td looser but that was genuine kill god fedora edge from the 00s.
Says the homosexual that cries at every cutscene.
Jak II is sincere imo. Its just corny and almost comedic to the point it unironically works.
If there is anything people should be complaining about from that decade its the GTA trilogy. That series was the most tryhard shit. Went playing it recently and its so blatant that it tries to wrestle in kids to playing the games.
>its so blatant that it tries to wrestle in kids to playing the games.
How so?
>complains about corporate slop
>defends Disney crossmarketing shit like Kangdumb Sharts
>defends Disney crossmarketing shit like Kangdumb Sharts
You have never played those games, have you? If you did, you would know what anon means. Beyond the Disney shit, the plot is try-hard as shit, maybe even because it has to get over the Disney image, but the way its set up comes from a creator who you can tell has legit interest in what absurd concepts he is regurgitating from his bizarre mind of what he thinks is cool or intense. It may be a piece of corporate celebration garbage, but the head jap they put in charge of was completely sincere in the plot he wanted to mold it into, even if it comes off as schizophrenic to everyone else.
what this anon said
also I don't like the "forced edge" in the OP, some devs just want to do irreverent and violent characters, it's a game, there's nothing wrong with that
what's with the sudden influx of these "anti-edge" posters lately? are they offended at the idea that some people are tired of Marvel-tier shit and want something different?
I didn't really intend to make this an anti-edge thread, although looking at the OP again, I see why it came across that way. I just wanted to take a look back and see which games people thought were the most emblematic examples.
I don't hate them at all. In fact, right now I see it more as sort of endearing. At the time of the trend, I did find it grating in some cases, but otherwise I had fun with most of the games that have been mentioned here so far.
then you are a dime in a dozen because there has been a sudden increase in people actively being spiteful to enthusiasts who like this genre or who are now finding out about it. i'm even seeing the resentment towards it on Twitter which is unwarranted when we had nearly a whole solid decade of this stuff being actively shittalked and used as an opportunity to bully people. literal Tumblr-tier shit.
i dont think you know what dime a dozen means
sorry, i dont speak native engrish very well.
American Christians is likely the reason
it was cringe then and it’s cringe now, and marvel is just different cringe
>and want something different?
you homosexual. edge is not the polar opposite of whedon quipping.
corny edginess was the marvel quip of the 2000s
i kinda miss the intrinsic naiveness of this corny nerdery. they were truly simpler times.
Back then people had a sense of being with their kin online and you could just put something out there and be unguardedly enthusiastic about it.
It was not the modern “big room” where there are tons of people out there just looking for something to spotlight and mock so they can gain clout from it.
>where there are tons of people out there just looking for something to spotlight and mock so they can gain clout from it.
There was a thing, I forget what exactly, where they showed zoomers what it was like when we were in high school in the early 2000s and a common thing they said was that people looked more relaxed. I couldn't figure out why for a while, but then it dawned on me: because we got to go to high school before everyone had a phone with a camera and internet connection and thus was ready to record and put online every stupid thing you did. So if dumb shit happened to us at school, it couldn't really follow us home.
What are those hands supposed to convey
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Millennials were and still are so fricking corny and they had the gal to cringe over edginess and y2k aesthetics, embarrassing.
Zoomers will guzzle the worst corpo 2000s trash just to feel a thing
Sorry bro, but your entire generation is responsible for the sóyboy meme, you're not really in a position to criticize here.
The soíboi meme is fascist propaganda so I’ve got nothing to worry about
>are they offended at the idea that some people are tired of Marvel-tier shit
I wish more people were tired of that. I've had "Marvel fatigue" since Age of Ultron.
I've had it since Daredevil with Ben Affleck
I only ever saw the first and 3rd spiderman and Deadpool, so i still have no clue what people mean when they say "marvel humor".(and i kinda doubt a lot who say it even know)
>so i still have no clue what people mean when they say "marvel humor".(and i kinda doubt a lot who say it even know)
Have you ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Firefly? Really anything by Joss Whedon? Marvel Humor is the way characters talked in those shows because Whedon went on to write a bunch of Marvel movies.
I only ever saw a Buffy movie i think way long ago, but i dont remember any dialog.
It's a always kinda sarcastic, always kinda joking, never really allowing a serious moment to happen without breaking it with a joke because there is always levity. Whedon himself famously said
>Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke
And I don't know if he's just dumb and doesn't realize that such a thing can fricking kill the gravity of a moment, or if he just genuinely doesn't like things staying serious even when it's appropriate.
Hmm, idk i my views allign with him or not.
I definitely agree, giving a serious moment time to breathe is important. At the same time though, personal tastes, my favorite "worlds" are ones that blend dark/grimness with humor. Stuff like Cool World, the 1993 Mario movie, Idiocracy and Invader Zim are some examples of media that really gels with me. A project im working on myself is essentially a shitty world, but the humor of the characters living in it and just how over the top shit everything is to the point of absurdity. I guess you could say in Warhammer 40K, I love the setting, but i definitely prefer the Orks.
But, if this guy is saying something like, "remake the movie Seven, but now the characters crack jokes after grissly discoveries", then i can see why his style wouldn't match up. I guess i need to actually see the overall tone of the worlds he is working with.
I think it's that every character constantly makes wisecracks, even background characters, so they all end up sounding like the same person. At least that's what annoys me.
It's not just that, its the fact that nothing going on has any actual weight because every c**t is wisecracking every 10 seconds.
Most edgy content is not sincere.
The problem is that Gankerners/redditors (same difference) call EVERYTHING that isn't "MUH MAYMAYS XD" "edgy".
You're fricking kidding me right? Frick liberals man, can't wait till the legal illusion drops.
>2000s trend of mostly superficial edge
>2010s trends of irony and faux positivity
>2020s trend of superficial maturity
Over the top edge is forever linked to the 00s like psychedelia to the 60s and suburban american dream to the 50s. It doesn't mean you need to hate it to acknowledge, it resulted in lots of cool stuff but also lots of cringe.
Millennials are butthurt no one wants to hear a strong independent single black mother quip back and forth with roid chungus and tyrone until an awkward pause is reached and all the late 30 something cringlennials burt into fits of laughter. Yeah edginess was a little cringe but at least it had some level of substance, I'll take Gen X edginess over cringe millennial writing anyday of the week.
Your brain is rotted, I cant understand a fricking word of this post.
this, can't 100% tell what he's trying to say but I'm pretty sure it's moronic
YES 100% The Pince of Persia was the perfect game until the 4th installment. Not counting the old platforms. It's liberals and trannies dude. They need to go, before they turn us all into demos worshipping imps.
I lived through this era. It was stupid and cringe then, and it aged badly. Just because everything that came after was even worse doesn't make it good.
>Just because everything that came after was even worse doesn't make it good.
yes it does
You're right, it was amazing.
>It was stupid and cringe then, and it aged badly
the world's media has become so saturated with quirkiness and irony that unironic edge has once again become refreshing anon.
i dont recall "edginess" as a concept existing back then. people were just less politically correct
maybe you should go back to sleep then gramps if you genuinely think this.
It was absolutely pointed out how corny and edgy the numetal sensibilities of Warrior Within were in its day you LYING sack of shit.
I don't know why your post bothers me so much but here's #3 from me: it's not about political correctness or edgy in that sense. It's about a big corporation being cigar munching cynics and asking "what are the kids into? Oh, rap-rock and being moody shits? "Mature" western games are all the rage? Frick it, force-fist it into this Persian fairytale game." That's the problem with it.
edginess has always existed throughout all of time.
these were cringey no matter if people were trying to or not be PC
Look up "Twilight Princess Linkin Park" on YouTube.
Definitely GTA III
I think the "DARK AND MATURE GAMEZ FOR MATUR GAMURZ" dark and edgy era of gaming started with GTA III and ended with Borderlands 2.
Borderlands 2 really killed the edgy era of gaming and popularized the "le quirky ironic Reddit wholesome chungus" era which still exists to this day and I'm fricking fed up with.
borderlands just took popular quipping style that Avengers, etc. helped make super popular in all forms of media. I'm not saying Borderlands didn't contribute, but there's bigger people to blame here.
I blame Joss Whedon
Pretty much, it really all started with Buffy. And I was fine with it when Buffy did it because no other show had dialog like that. But then everything he did was like that.
Ah, writing for the people who hate "edginess."
You know he drowned a kid once.
they should make a terminator movie where cgi arnold schawzenneger kills joss wheaton to save the world from the pandmeic of "ironic" writing.
shit would be cash brah.
I'm feeling the RedditChungus era is starting to die out imo. Its parodied like mad from the youth and its perceived as something a bunch of senile millenials obsess over. Only problem is that what has replaced it seems to be relegated to mainly discourse and memes instead of entertainment so far, but even then, its not as 'acceptable' as it used to be. Hope it fricking stays that way. Frick the 2010s.
I'd go further and say that what people here hate and call "zoom-zooms" are actually millenials born in the 90s (many of which are indeed awful). Regulars zoomers just sport the broccoli head, but they're pretty detached from our tastes and barely touch Reddit.
Toilet humor was never funny or edgy. Especially as a child
Frick, forgot pic related
you can play this with 4 players at the same time???
the game had a multiplayer battle mode
Doesn't sound like you were ever a child.
that's exactly when its funny. scary movie 1/2 were fricking hilarious when i was 12.
The WAZZZZAAAAAA scene is still funny
SAY FELLAS
>THEY'LL PAY FOR THIS
People still have a meltdown over that scene and call it "cringe". Sincerity is poison.
It's more about the sheer contrast between the character design and the message being conveyed. A sincere line within a serious moment, but also impossible to take seriously. The whole thing is set up with all the basic elements of a comedy.
The result is a scene that doesn't land as intended and can only ever be met with laughter. A total delivery failure.
Kingdom Hearts is bizarre that way. It's just the weirdest mix of being somehow TOO serious and yet not serious enough at the same time. I really have no idea what all those Hot Topic kids got out of it.
Off-topic, but it's escapism. Sad kids who want to be whisked off to another, happier or more interesting life rather than shaping the one they already have.
That's the whole reason isekai is such a popular genre. It's just a bunch of sad kids.
I dont miss it, but I kinda do.
Stuff like Kingdom Under Fire.
I guess I miss it because you would think new gen would be crazy as shit but they are pretty tame and quite boring.
I don't know not that edgy, but still pretty badass for a tiger woods golf game, 04 and 05 have more goofy ones iirc
The only "EDGE" i miss is the hobby being male centered, and by that i mean I expected by now a strong adult entertainment, heavy metal magazine gore and breasts.
I know women play videogames, they loved adventure games now mostly dead. But the main focus was always
Is not the shit stories or boring main characters I miss from that era edge, is that we mostly switch them with bland ass characters now, its the same vanity just with different flavours.
>strong adult entertainment, heavy metal magazine gore and breasts.
God, if modern games took inspiration from even just the covers of Heavy Metal, we would have so much cool shit.
Shit man it hurts. It never came, eastern entertainment promised and even some western independent comic book artists seemed to promise.
But it all became current year gayness and poseur bland stuff.
this is true.
it also means that there's a market untapped.
look out for Visions of Farseer.
While I don't really care about the lack of flat out porn games, the grungy edge of the 2000s could have gone a lot farther and I think had the potential to stick around. And if it was solely the players who were being targeted, I bet it would have.
But with the rise of social media, anything and everything is presented to anyone and everyone. If one sect doesn't feel adequately targeted, they're absolutely going to make their grievances heard, and execs always listen to the loudest voices.
You'll see big players in the industry opting to target the most vocal of minorities over the people who are actually going to decide whether their product succeeds. So now the game in question is perfectly tuned to a demographic who never had any intention of playing it anyway, while the one who would is alienated and now won't. Six months later, half the studio gets laid off and people wonder why.
You'll notice studios like Fromsoft don't do this, and they've quickly risen to the top of their genre. While their games may not be edgy, they prove that it's all about appealing to your player demographic.
Yes its not a big crash, its a sifting the industry is going on.
>I know women play videogames, they loved adventure games now mostly dead
bro, you have NO idea how many horny fujoshi/yumejoshi there were in (j)rpg fandoms back in the day
that was still WAY before the likes of mass effect and dragon age
I ran into way too many CloudxSephiroth/SquallxSeifer fan pages on geocities
I wrote in the other thread about how the evolution of PC's influenced 90's trends like bolder fonts, more colors, early 3d models and digital images and publishing software all combined to push for attitude and absurdism, I think it is the same thing with 00s edge, it is the result of new techcoming together at the same time like CD Rom and prerendered videos and voice acting, access to the internet, chat rooms, videogames becoming mainstream, developers wanting to be taken seriously, the market of grown up gamer kids, more realistic human models and faces in 6th gen games.
In every artistic movement and technology advance ever the pioneers always want to be as bold as they can to carve their own new niche. The woke pop culture we have today is also a form of boldness and a result of new tech and new social interactions and new forms of media consumption but it is becoming stagnant. AI could be the thing that empowers people to challenge it.
>Hey its nighttime
>Time to go to bed
>Let's down my 80 horse tranq pills with coffee
Sounds more like vanity instead of boldness.
AI is only going to serve to compound the faults of modern culture with even more insincerity and incompetency.
>he actually thinks AI will evolve discourse and culture
>completely unaware about how shit like the introduction of smartphones did nothing but reinforce all the problems the generation before it had
>somehow this nu technology will reverse 'all' of that
You morons really have no clue do you?
this fricking zeitgeist man. FRICK what an ugly time we're in. It's gotta go down in history just how GAY the 2020s were.
Warrior Within is fricking edgy, but the truly worst and most damning part is that the final(?) boss chick can and will absolutely kick your ass with ease due to being stupidly op and dealing insane damage while teleporting/timefricking you. Going from the fun if slightly easy Sands of Time to Warrior Within was fine, but the sheer difficulty and bullshit nature of that boss made me finally quit after probably 100 attempts.Which sucks because I bought the entire PS2 trilogy and was looking forward to playing it, only to be wienerblocked by a boss. Also fricking kek, using Godsmack in the WW OST still has me laughing my ass off. That was peak weight room/workout music back in the day.
>100 attempts
Lol
Might have been less. I tried on and off for a month. The difficulty curve went from easy to bullshit.
I don't remember any of the bosses being that hard, but hey,at least you weren't hit by the sand-wraith bug.
>I don't remember any of the bosses being that hard, but hey,at least you weren't hit by the sand-wraith bug.
It's not mechanically hard, it's more that trying to counter the boss's bullshit will drain your sands, and the boss seems to have infinite time frickery in comparison. They also seem to be the only enemy in the game that can break your block and will throw a block break in their long, high damage combos.
I liked sands of time on ps2. They really nailed the classic mystical atmosphere. Game just felt cool to play. Never played the sequals, so I got the ps3 collection later on. First I replayed Sands of Time and it was as great as I remembered. Then immediately started Warrior Within. Thirty minutes in
>wtf why did they have to shit all over the first game's awesome aesthetic?
the gameplay was alright, but I didn't have any desire to keep playing it. never checked out the third game as a result.
Clueless corpo scumbugs chasing the "in" thing and coming off as corny. Now things are even worse.
I had the opposite experience where I played warrior within first and loved it. Couldn't get into sands of time tho because of the tone/atmosphere shift. To this day WW is my favorite PoP game
I imagine age has a lot to do with things. When Linkin Park's first album came out, I was totally into it. When Warrior Within came out, I thought it was silly.
That is the problem of an aesthetic designed to appeal to 15 year olds exclusively.
Please look at this unironic, entirely genuine introducion to Shadow Ops: Red Mercury.
>Welcome to my nightmare.
I own that game, kek.
Warrior Within had an interesting premise if you toned down the sheer edge. Shame it was so fixated on EDGE it forgot about story and concept.
I should add that I planned on giving them another go, because I was able to look past the edge for similar games and enjoy the other aspects. And I could tell from the gameplay that the game was still solidly built otherwise. But it's been over a decade since I played it, they're easily my most backlogged games.
I get that entirely. I'll give WW another shot probably, and play through Two Thrones as well if I can beat WW.
Tbh it's a good shooter, worth playing. Has a very 24-esque storyline and I enjoyed it a lot as an edgy 15yo shitter.
It's essentially COD4 before COD4.
surprised no one's mentioned BMX XXX yet. then again, not sure how many actually played it. Originally, it was planned as just being the next Dave Mirra game, but they went so overboard with the forced adult content, that he took his name off the product.
forgot pic
Good god sexuality/sexiness in western games is always so crass and ugly, combine that with western 6th gen model skill and yikeso. Compare this to the DOA games.
Western culture has been strongly influenced by Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Judaism, which always tried to repress human sexuality. Most people in the west have a subconscious association that sex appeal = bad, regardless of their or their parents' actual religion. When it appears it's almost always as a rebellion against that morality, so it has to be over-the-top and vulgar to make the point clear. Japanese culture is much different.
Good post.
>Most people in the west have a subconscious association that sex appeal = bad
I dissagree with this, it's just the people in power who happen to believe this
Japanese people are literal israelites wtf are you talking about, ever wonder why they're so perverted and also worship like a trillion gods? That shits literally out of the bible.
this is what i thought of when that anon earlier said edginess was never a real thing. shame about how awful the game actually played, but i suppose that's to be expected of BMX titles in general.
I feel like few get what OP means or what 2000s "edge" was. Probably because this place is all zoomers and only a few mentally ill childless millennials such as myself are here. It wasn't saying Black person and homosexual or being right of Karl Marx and unapologetically white. It was the "hardcore", numetal, extreme sports, tribal tattoo, newgrounds, gothic vampire anime, "frick you, dad", everything must be grim-dark energy. Perhaps grim-dark or 'hardcore' is the better adjective. It saddens me to say for as gay as it was, and I definitely thought it was gay, it was a better time culturally. Just remember: Things can always get worse.
While i was never super keen on it, i will take the 2000s edge over the "wholesome, low stakes, casual" vibe a lot of indies have been doing.
The second game is more fitting. First game is pure dark atmosphere kino
A girl in highschool once asked me if I'd ever played the game and then proceeded to tell me it was her favorite game of all time, which is funny considering she was a very meek and shy girl who didn't really stand out too much, I mean she was cute and all but apart from that she wasn't anything special.
she had bpd but not the trendy "i'm so quirky" kind
you could have lived the dream
I've got ADHD and some form of high functioning autism so it would have been a nightmare.
You almost got turned into YouTube documentary material
Remember, 2000's edge was born thanks to morons reading Liefeld, image and his panels full of mutilated people and the biggest edgelord in a taking a shit position wielding 2 swords, and speaking like a moron about he is going to mutilate and maim a lot of people
>bladeblade
Frick yeah
ok wang liu
it's GI-Joe tier names ...for adult readers. comics never made it out of the juvenille stage. manga eats its lunch every day.
>nealy 300 posts
>Ctrl+f Scarface and The Punisher
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You mfs don't play any real edge shit. poser thread
edgeness = don't giving a single a flying frick
>edit 1
read edginess
read don't giving a single flying frick
might be the least heterosexual post on the board right now
for those games, it fits perfectly, so there's nothing forced about it. the thread is mostly about games where edge doesn't really fit the game series, but was shoehorned in because of how it became a marketing trend.
Bampin. Are we counting late 90s edge too? Because Loaded and Reloaded fits the bill.
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I LIKED IT
>Texas homosexualt
Goddammit
I kneel.
I love edgy Ratchet
I thought about posting deadlocked, but I didn't really think there was anything that edgy about the game itself besides the marketing and promotional art, which was just following the general trend. I guess they tried to make the plot a little more edgy, but it still felt very in line with the previous games, nothing forced, just a slightly darker theme and art direction. Fun as hell game.
Is it better than the show?
All jokes aside, this was a great time to be a gamer. Felt like it hadn't gone TOO corporate and game developers could still make good games without the DEI nonsense. We really hit the wall in the late 2000s though.