Dpad claw is mandatory in fromsoft games to maintain control of the character while cycling items.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Assign back buttons to dpad, problem solved.
11 months ago
Anonymous
but if you don't use ps layout you don't have to "claw" it you can just control it normally while maintaining control...
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, he can control the joystick with his index finger and then that frees his thumb up to use the dpad that's on the bottom. Good thinking. Fricking moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah that's what clawing is you STUPID FRICK
11 months ago
Anonymous
>clawing a joystick
You can't claw a joystick and have as accurate movement as you cab with your thumb, moron. Clawing a dpad doesn't affect your ability to press a button once or twice.
The right stick is a primary input in any game where you move the camera, which is most games. This cope about how it makes sense for the left stick to be swapped but not the other is Xbox copeshittery. Symmetric is more ergonomic.
Xbox is as optimal as it can get.
No modern game uses the D-pad so your left thumb is in a natural position on the Xbox controller. The right side is tricky. While it makes sense to have the right stick in the up position for FPS games you are still forced to use the face buttons. And for everything else in general the camera is good enough in following you so your face buttons are used more frequently.
Ironically the Xbox controller is better for Playstation style movie games than the PS controller.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>natural position
This is a meme. If you stop insisting on putting your index fingers on the triggers your thumbs will naturally rest on the sticks of a PS controller. You just have to shift your hands back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But then my index finger would be in an unnatural position
11 months ago
Anonymous
What do you mean? It would just rest on the bumpers.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if you stop insisting on a natural position for your hand then it is good
Is this a joke? The PS controller is a relic from an era where the D-pad was the main way of interaction with games. There is a reason why the PS5 controller follows the Xbox shape.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There is absolutely nothing unnatural about positioning your hand back slightly. You only "naturally" position it forward because your automatic instinct is to put your index fingers on the triggers. This in and of itself makes it awkward to hit the bumpers because you have to shift them up. Put your index fingers on the bumpers and middle fingers on the triggers. I have always held controllers like that, it never occurred to me to only use my indexes and thumbs because it felt weird to hit the bumpers like that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm using my Xbox controller exactly like that and it doesn't change anything about the natural position of my finger. The top left and top right zone is the natural for every controller. Modern games are built around that.
You're right but for the wrong reason. Unibody controllers are just shit and are a holdover from a lack of good wireless tech (and since everyone b***hes about battery life nonstop I have to assume that most people play wireless). Split controllers are ergonomically superior.
The right stick is a primary input in any game where you move the camera, which is most games. This cope about how it makes sense for the left stick to be swapped but not the other is Xbox copeshittery. Symmetric is more ergonomic.
No it isn't. Gyro is the primary input for camera movement, the right stick is supplementary. All good shooters without gyro on console use the left analog stick for camera movement anyway and those have already received updates with improved control schemes that allow for gyro or lightgun aiming.
Why are game controllers so homogenized these days? >Top left and bottom right: Analogs >Bottom left: D-pad >Top right: Buttons
Every single OP controller is like that. Microsoft and Nintendo both have their controllers like that. The only exceptions are Sony which barely changes anything (left analog and D-pad are swapped) and Valve which has the trackpads. There's barely any creativity anymore, it's all just the same shit for the most part.
Why is xbox layout so popular? As one of the few people to have actually used both I vastly prefer the snoy layout. I have owned a 360 and a ps4 consoles.
The difference isn't massive, I can still play normally with both but trying to use left stick while using the D-pad is fricking cancer on the xbox layout.
Microsoft engaged in EEE tactics against the gaming industry. They heavily pushed Xinput during 7th gen and that only supported the standard Xbox layout. There are still developers that frick up how they handle controllers in games and the most popular way around this is using Steam as an Xinput wrapper for other controllers.
Because it was proven to be the best design. Nobody could come up with better.
Yes, let's just ignore that every multiplat in the 360 era started using that standard layout and those button prompts. >No connection between api and physical layout
Xinput only supports as many axes and buttons as are on the 360 controller. That means no additional buttons, sticks, touchpads, gyros, accelerometers or anything can be added to the controller. The only choice becomes where to place your sticks and what to name your face buttons.
>It's cheap garbage and Microsoft was pushing it.
What does make a layout cheap? If you put the sticks elsewhere then it suddenly becomes more expensive? LOL
No, it's just a cheap controller of middling quality. The layout isn't cheap, the controller is. It's garbage now because it has no gyro support after it became practically a standard to have it on modern controllers, even if it only gets used by people remapping the controller.
You're a fricking moron.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/xinput/getting-started-with-xinput
Two analog triggers (joined), four stick axes, four hat switches and ten buttons are all Xinput supports. Period. The fricking menu button in the middle of every Xbox controller isn't even supported by MS's own first party protocol.
>It's cheap garbage and Microsoft was pushing it.
What does make a layout cheap? If you put the sticks elsewhere then it suddenly becomes more expensive? LOL
>Split controllers are ergonomically superior.
I agree with this and I actually use my joycons on my PC as well even if it's a bit of a pain since they only pair to one device.
I fricked them up in an attempt to fix the sticks though so the signal ended up shit anyway.
general problem happens on all of them regardless of wear. it probably happens to you all the time but the games you play don't really care about button inputs that are like 20ms apart
Are this any good? I want to get a 360 controller, but they are getting hella expensive. I would like to known if they fixed the dpad at all.
Is that another new one? Might have to add it to the list
Why do you need an xbone, when all the games are on PC?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Every PS, Nintendo and Xbox game is on PC yet people keep buying the consoles, proving consoles were never really about exclusives. Those are just excuses for fanboys to justify their obsession with a brand. Consoles offer a simple way to play video games and the hardware is relatively cheap. Everything else isn't but still.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Prices of PC components, specially GPUs, went through the roof in these last few years only getting nowadays to something more "normal". If a console costs less than an average GPU, of course people are going to buy a console. But these days with the current gen prices still being over $400, all you have in a console is convenience. You're still forced to pay for all software that's not free to play garbage or a subscription to game pass, you still can't do much outside of gaming on these machines making them still not comparable to PCs, their catalog of games available is a very tiny fraction (and to get there they need backwards compatibility) and you still have to pay subscriptions for services that in all honesty should be free. Some games are even unoptimized to the point where you feel like you would need to upgrade your console, but there's no way to do that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shortages are over and consoles sell more than ever despite they cost the same or more. >If a console costs less than an average GPU, of course people are going to buy a console.
You are contradicting yourself a few sentences later by listing how consoles are not worth it, even if they are cheaper. More expensive games, various fees, limited usability. If PC is so much better then GPU prices wouldn't matter because it is still more valuable in the long run.
As I said consoles sell on simplicity and low entry cost. Until you don't understand this you will be surprised every time a console breaks records despite it shouldn't... on paper. People buy Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo consoles because they offer a good enough experience and still relatively easy to use. Aside from Nintendo, first party titles sell a fraction what multiplats (available everywhere) do on these systems.
People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change. They want cheap plug and play and PC still can't offer this. The games are secondary, nobody buys a new machine to play 20 years old whatever games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change. They want cheap plug and play and PC still can't offer this. The games are secondary, nobody buys a new machine to play 20 years old whatever games.
PC is individually a bigger market than the consoles, though. so you are wrong. lol.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because you count computers that can't even run Switch games. Big games sell as much as consoles if not more than on PC. The customer base is there but it is much smaller than the console userbase compared to the overall number of machines.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Because you count computers that can't even run Switch games. Big games sell as much as consoles if not more than on PC.
No, they do not, not since some period between 2006 and 2009. PC overtook consoles long, long ago and people like you keep saying what they *think* is correct without actually being familiar with industry data
PC is bigger than consoles. Period
11 months ago
Anonymous
>without actually being familiar with industry data
Funny you say that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Fortnite defines the gaming industry
I'll let this attempt serve as its own critic
11 months ago
Anonymous
It has more players than all the supposedly high quality exclusives combined.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>profitable games define the gaming industry
woah, can you imagine?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Android only has 0,5%
Huh, that's actually kinda surprising
I thought this generation is all about mobile gaming and shit
11 months ago
Anonymous
Phones are a huge market but most players never pay. It really makes you think that even if less than 1% of the users pay the game could be more profitable than a huge boxed hit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You are contradicting yourself a few sentences later by listing how consoles are not worth it, even if they are cheaper.
There's no contradiction. I'm talking about a component that most people don't need to splurge on for anything other than gaming. You could ditch the pricey GPU altogether and use onboard graphics. Someone might have wanted to just buy something like a miniPC and then a console separately because they could find it for cheaper. There's other uses for pricey GPUs as well, but not enough that most people would consider it worth spending more on that alone.
>People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change.
A decent PC build can last most of a generation of consoles. Hell, I have a ryzen 3600 over here (4 year old CPU) and can still run pretty much any game that's currently on the market. Will all of them run on ultra settings at a decent framerate? Of course not. That is never the standard of consoles either, there's always some corner cutting and optimizations to be done (and sometimes again, very poorly, they just don't care about 7 to 10fps dips here and there on a game that generally runs at 30).
I find it comes down to personal tastes as well as how big your hands, wrists, and arms are. I have both the Xbox Series and SN Pro 2 and lately I've been defaulting to the Xbox controller because it fits me better. Still use the Pro 2 for emulating due to the layout, but it's stopped being my main PC controller.
have this controller, it's not bad but the dpad is garbage and the back buttons have bad QA. Unfortunate that this is the best the market has to offer.
I like the dpad tbh. The fact that the back buttons don't send their own signal and can only be mapped to other buttons using the company's software sucks though
Dpad claw is mandatory in fromsoft games to maintain control of the character while cycling items.
This is true for flight sims too
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but if you don't use ps layout you don't have to "claw" it you can just control it normally while maintaining control...
??? no
Does 8bitdo just werk or do you need some third party drivers?
Drivers are in tree on the latest Linux, they present as a normal xinput or directinput controller
>try to push Y >3 buttons of my controller fly off >turn into some kind of drone >fly out of my house >i'm all alone, only able to jump and change inventory items in my video game >two hours later the flydigi apex 2 buttons come back >they are smoking a cigarette and carrying a natty ice >have to chase them out of my house >still can't attack in my video game
If your Black person hands are too stupid to control the wheel you can use the detachable frame to stop it from moving. You DIDN'T use this controller, shut the FRICK up you little b***h.
I had the wireless version of that. Logitech rumblepad. The vibration broke years ago, but the buttons still work fine.
Not sure if their build quality went down since. In the F310 I got as replacement, the shoulder buttons wouldn't register continuous hold very well and ABXY got sticky quite fast.
Why are game controllers so homogenized these days? >Top left and bottom right: Analogs >Bottom left: D-pad >Top right: Buttons
Every single OP controller is like that. Microsoft and Nintendo both have their controllers like that. The only exceptions are Sony which barely changes anything (left analog and D-pad are swapped) and Valve which has the trackpads. There's barely any creativity anymore, it's all just the same shit for the most part.
>clawgrip >lock-on >aim assist
It is objectively awful design for anything more complex than a 2D platformer. And with dogshit dpads these days it's garbage for 2D platformers too.
I've been using the following over the past year:
- Dualsense
- DS4
- Gulikit KingKong 2 Pro
- Xbox 3rd gen (the one with the circle d-pad)
- Xbox Elite series 2
- Switch Pro
- 8bitdo Pro 2
All of them have their pros and cons, and I use various stick caps/extenders on all of them. The xbox controllers are nice but the bumpers aren't suitable for certain games. The KingKong is like a comfier xbox controller with looser buttons which I prefer, but there's something about the texture I don't like the feel of. I don't like the triggers on the Pro2 and you have to adjust to the parallel handles but otherwise is fantastic.
Right now I'n switching between Switch Pro and DS4. The buttons on the Switch Pro aren't that good but the button triggers are better for some games and I like the shape, similarly I vastly prefer DS4 over Dualsense. Am I just a handlet? Is it just that I like smaller controllers? Idk, I just wish Sony would let people use DS4 on PS5 native games.
>I don't like the triggers on the Pro2
This is the only legitimate negative of Pro2, which weirdly doesn't get brought up often - I guess that makes it a test whether a person criticizing Pro2 argues genuinely or in bad faith shilling some other controller.
Why is xbox layout so popular? As one of the few people to have actually used both I vastly prefer the snoy layout. I have owned a 360 and a ps4 consoles.
The difference isn't massive, I can still play normally with both but trying to use left stick while using the D-pad is fricking cancer on the xbox layout.
Changing items and shit in fromsoft games while maintaining control of my character for example, can't think of other things now but there definitely are.
To use both the d-pad and left stick on playstation I just have to claw it like I do the right, it's pretty seamless to me.
To do so on Xbox I have to move my thumb back to the d-pad, and move the index finger from the trigger ti the stick which feels awful.
It's two movements instead of one and two movements that feel more uncomfortable on top of it. To me at least but I guess I should state I have really long fingers. Which is somewhat ironic since a while ago snoy controllers got memed for being designed for little chinks and xbox controllers for people with large-ish hands.
Clawing was never the intended way to use the controllers, just a limitation. But why do you do this to yourself when a bunch of controllers offer extra buttons on the back for a long time now? Game requires too much shit? Elite it is.
Btw if you just need stuff from the Xbox D-pad sometimes then you can use your right thumb. The from games I played offered auto enemy tracking so it is not like the right stick is needed to move the camera all the time.
>Don't use the d-pad rebind your back buttons to it
No frick that, I am not binding two buttons to the same function. Why include a d-pad if I am not meant to use it? If the arguement for the xbox layout being good is "well you are meant to use back buttons and not the dpad anyways" that already proves the design is worse in my eyes. And I hate how most controllers featuring back buttons can only bind them to replicate inputs from the normal buttons. >Clawing was never the intended way to use the controllers, just a limitation.
Could not care less what is intended and what is not, besides it probably was intended for some games, look at devil may cry.
Then I try another way.
You couldn't name a single game where the left stick and d-pad is a requirement to use, just name "from games" in general where you prefer to keep your hand on the item switching all the time. I played From games and I never felt I need to do this but if you prefer it then a controller with a back button would a hundred times more useful than trying to claw the controller in a way it was not meant to be used. I played FPS games on consoles for more than a decade and as soon as I switched to a controller with back buttons I never went back playing with a normal one. Because normal controllers are simply suboptimal for certain games. If you want to have access to more functions what you can naturally reach then it is a very good sign you will need a pro controller. If the game has too many separate button functions for console it is the fault of the developer.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I liked you before but when you refuted a statement of yours in the same sentence I stopped reading. You are not worth replying to after to that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, you have no arguments left but instead of not replying you want to pretend you just don't feel like it. I always found these kinds of comments weird here, announcing you are not wrong but you can't say why is elementary school. You are Anonymous, it is not like anyone will remember you lost.
Plenty of people hate the dualsense and I understand why, but the shape and the (eventually unfortunately drifting) analogs for me are the fricking best and the layout is just right. The buttons also don't sound like I'm chewing gum with my mouth open.
I really wish I liked the Dualsense more. It's got a very premium feel to it. But fricking hell Sony fricked up the shape of the handles. Using the thing for more than an hour was giving me and pains. Went back to the Duslshock 4 and felt the difference instantly.
Contemplated really long between Apex 3 and DualSense but decided to go with the latter because Apex' force feedback support seems to be entirely proprietary and non-standard. Hope that was the right call, but I don't think either was gonna be worse than my 10-year old 360 controller.
>because Apex' force feedback support seems to be entirely proprietary and non-standard.
sony's is also entirely proprietary and non-standard. you are welcome to tell me the name of the impulse trigger standard 🙂
but to be clear you applied a differentiation to one product when they are both the same exact situation. the sony controller is prob better, who knows
I mean yeah, but one is extremely popular and the other is fairly obscure and isn't even fully recognised by Steam Input. If there's ever going to be a standard for trigger force feedback, it's highly likely DualSense is going to be supported, but Apex 3's going to be up in the air.
>If there's ever going to be a standard for trigger force feedback, it's highly likely DualSense is going to be supported, but Apex 3's going to be up in the air.
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also you are talking about a company that avoided making basic pc input drivers for 20+ years i would not count on them being part of any standard
sony, being evil fricks, do not desire interoperability
It's not like I expect snoy to do it, but look at DS4Windows: there's 0 snoy involvement yet it's pretty comprehensive, not to mention Steam already supports DS but doesn't Apex 3 and is unlikely to.
>If there's ever going to be a standard for trigger force feedback, it's highly likely DualSense is going to be supported, but Apex 3's going to be up in the air.
>I mean yeah, but one is extremely popular
No it's not. PS5 impulse triggers work in like 5 games on PC.
also you are talking about a company that avoided making basic pc input drivers for 20+ years i would not count on them being part of any standard
sony, being evil fricks, do not desire interoperability
I really dont get why the frick everyone praises the XOne controllers with their obnoxious L2/R2 triggers that take forever to press. >muh varying pressure response
No games do this anymore. Unless youre playing nothing but Super Mario Sunshine the rest of your life, L2/R2 having to be pressed a mile down to trigger is worthless.
All of these controllers are around 10~20 USDs cheaper where I live. Suck to deal with Amazon's mark up
Also, I have been using Vader 2 for 2 years and this thing refuses to break.
Very few games support them and only wired (except for no man's sky, which figured out the steam controller API and can use adaptive triggers and haptic feedback without problems wirelessly, so it disproves it can't be done). I tried it with deathloop and it's fine, but some weapons are just annoying to use.
I don't see what other way can be. A game has to basically tell the controller that it supports said function. If it doesn't work the same way (and that means it gets detected as a dualsense, and works only with games that support the dualsense that way) they'd have to do some trickery and translate something else into that. Like how you can use gyro as a mouse, so you can also use it to move the camera on FPS on PC. I don't understand how that would work for this though, how the frick does it know when you're shooting a different kind of weapon for instance?
That's how sony does it, I'm not saying the controller is incapable of doing it and I even linked a game that uses the Steam input API to do it wirelessly. What I don't understand is what makes you think that these other controllers are going to bypass that limitation somehow when it's a software thing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's not a fricking limitation it's a fricking sony problem holy shit I don't know why you don't understand this lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a sony problem
I have no idea what in the name of frick are you referring to at this point, to be honest.
I would pay 300+ for a controller that has a microswitch dpad like the series x controller, back paddles, good quality sticks/buttons/triggers that won't break or drift after 2 years of moderate use, and a ten year warranty. That's all I want but no one makes a controller like this. Even the "premium" models like the Xbox Elite use shit drifting potentiometers and the buttons are prone to breaking because they use the same components as the regular controller. And then all the other ones on the market that have those other features have shit dpads.
>instead of using hall effect sensors that won't break for their sticks, they just make the regular ones replaceable so when they break you can pay them a goy tax for new ones that will also break
I don't know how these companies get away with this shit.
although the list is incomplete >gyro
Any game can be made to use gyro through steam input (with plenty of settings for it) and some emulators also support it (like Yuzu)
Am I moronic? I can't find out anything about the vader 3 (which sounds amazing for that price)
Don't even have that series on their website. only the apex.
I'm curious about what kind of shit exists for the dualsense. I put a battery in that makes the controller not fricking die so quickly but I've seen some weird fricking mods.
I dunno I dropped the PS after 2 I'm more comfortable with keyboard and mouse but from what I know playing in game bars dual shock is just more comfortable for me than Xbox. I cant tell you much about lifespan or mods
The Apex 3 seems so cool but it's too expensive for me.
Does anyone have it and the Direwolf? CAn anyone compare their dpads?
Surprisingly so hard to find reviews and impressions online especially with reddit being "closed" rn
Does anyone besides microsoft have a clicky microswitch dpad? That's the one thing keeping me from buying other controllers because regular membrane ones feel like shit now.
>PS5 dpad is pretty bad for fightan
never really played any fighting games (dont enjoy them tbh). For stuff like racing and platformers where i can just sit back and chill?
Xbox is the only one that supports 2.4 for wireless on PC. If you use a dualsense you have to use BT which is shit.
cant it to wired? though fair point, but gotta buy the dongle
I use them in every single game. Just having mouse movement mapped to a combination of keys is kino for navigating in steam overlay from the couch (without using shitty steam big picture mode).
I can design a controller. Top to bottom. Engineering, electronics and all. One guy. Don't even have a phd.
This market has matured, and these companies sensed blood in the water due to "Stick drift". Grow up kid, things change over time. You wouldnt have bought a fricking apple product in the 1990s or be made fun of. Now you'll be made fun of at your high school without one.
This is partially relevant: Which in-game OSD do you use and how well do they support controllers?
I really miss the ability to take a screenshot with a single press on the controller.
Updated for next bread. Anybody know some other ones? Released in 2023 in the west only. No 8bitdo, I will not advertise for them (they've done it here enough already) and ultimate came out in november anyway
I'm looking to buy a new controller as my xbox one dpad double clicks in every direction, I'd honestly just buy the same pad but I want a pad with 2.4ghz wireless dongle, what are my options?
every single one of them are defective by design
howso
Analog stick and dpad are in the wrong place
nah, get the frick out of here. the only circumstance in which ps can be perceived is better is pure FPS/Racing play, which nobody does
if you play purely fps with a controller you sure don't belong in my thread, anyway.
Horrible taste in controller layouts detected
I like the PS layout because I can claw the dpad with my index finger.
claw the dpad? for what purpose?
Dpad claw is mandatory in fromsoft games to maintain control of the character while cycling items.
Assign back buttons to dpad, problem solved.
but if you don't use ps layout you don't have to "claw" it you can just control it normally while maintaining control...
Ah yes, he can control the joystick with his index finger and then that frees his thumb up to use the dpad that's on the bottom. Good thinking. Fricking moron.
yeah that's what clawing is you STUPID FRICK
>clawing a joystick
You can't claw a joystick and have as accurate movement as you cab with your thumb, moron. Clawing a dpad doesn't affect your ability to press a button once or twice.
can with your thumb*
The right stick is a primary input in any game where you move the camera, which is most games. This cope about how it makes sense for the left stick to be swapped but not the other is Xbox copeshittery. Symmetric is more ergonomic.
>The right stick is a primary input in any game where you move the camera, which is most games.
that's objectively incorrect on both things you said
>the cope is cope
has anyone ever told you, zoomer, that you talk like a stupid Black person? just asking
No it's not, Black person.
Xbox is as optimal as it can get.
No modern game uses the D-pad so your left thumb is in a natural position on the Xbox controller. The right side is tricky. While it makes sense to have the right stick in the up position for FPS games you are still forced to use the face buttons. And for everything else in general the camera is good enough in following you so your face buttons are used more frequently.
Ironically the Xbox controller is better for Playstation style movie games than the PS controller.
>natural position
This is a meme. If you stop insisting on putting your index fingers on the triggers your thumbs will naturally rest on the sticks of a PS controller. You just have to shift your hands back.
But then my index finger would be in an unnatural position
What do you mean? It would just rest on the bumpers.
>if you stop insisting on a natural position for your hand then it is good
Is this a joke? The PS controller is a relic from an era where the D-pad was the main way of interaction with games. There is a reason why the PS5 controller follows the Xbox shape.
There is absolutely nothing unnatural about positioning your hand back slightly. You only "naturally" position it forward because your automatic instinct is to put your index fingers on the triggers. This in and of itself makes it awkward to hit the bumpers because you have to shift them up. Put your index fingers on the bumpers and middle fingers on the triggers. I have always held controllers like that, it never occurred to me to only use my indexes and thumbs because it felt weird to hit the bumpers like that.
I'm using my Xbox controller exactly like that and it doesn't change anything about the natural position of my finger. The top left and top right zone is the natural for every controller. Modern games are built around that.
>the only circumstance in which ps can be perceived is better is pure FPS/Racing play,
Why would it be better for racing?
because racing is the other genre where your primary inputs are both sticks and several shoulder buttons.
What the hell are you using the right stick for? Panning the camera around? That takes more precedence than shifting on the face buttons?
Congratulations on mustering up the dumbest answer you could come up with
everyone point and laugh at the snoy
Still less delusional than your average blizdrone.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Hard agree. Hands are mirrored, the only logical implement of control should also be mirrored
You're right but for the wrong reason. Unibody controllers are just shit and are a holdover from a lack of good wireless tech (and since everyone b***hes about battery life nonstop I have to assume that most people play wireless). Split controllers are ergonomically superior.
No it isn't. Gyro is the primary input for camera movement, the right stick is supplementary. All good shooters without gyro on console use the left analog stick for camera movement anyway and those have already received updates with improved control schemes that allow for gyro or lightgun aiming.
Microsoft engaged in EEE tactics against the gaming industry. They heavily pushed Xinput during 7th gen and that only supported the standard Xbox layout. There are still developers that frick up how they handle controllers in games and the most popular way around this is using Steam as an Xinput wrapper for other controllers.
It's cheap garbage and Microsoft was pushing it.
>They heavily pushed Xinput during 7th gen and that only supported the standard Xbox layout.
?? has nothing to do with xinput...absolutely no relation between input API and physical layout..preposterous wieneramamie bullshit
Yes, let's just ignore that every multiplat in the 360 era started using that standard layout and those button prompts.
>No connection between api and physical layout
Xinput only supports as many axes and buttons as are on the 360 controller. That means no additional buttons, sticks, touchpads, gyros, accelerometers or anything can be added to the controller. The only choice becomes where to place your sticks and what to name your face buttons.
No, it's just a cheap controller of middling quality. The layout isn't cheap, the controller is. It's garbage now because it has no gyro support after it became practically a standard to have it on modern controllers, even if it only gets used by people remapping the controller.
>Xinput only supports as many axes and buttons as are on the 360 controller
lmao, totally false
Dinput supports more but Xinput will only support up to 4 controllers with the specific capabilities of the Xbox controller.
You're a fricking moron.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/xinput/getting-started-with-xinput
Two analog triggers (joined), four stick axes, four hat switches and ten buttons are all Xinput supports. Period. The fricking menu button in the middle of every Xbox controller isn't even supported by MS's own first party protocol.
>It's cheap garbage and Microsoft was pushing it.
What does make a layout cheap? If you put the sticks elsewhere then it suddenly becomes more expensive? LOL
>Split controllers are ergonomically superior.
I agree with this and I actually use my joycons on my PC as well even if it's a bit of a pain since they only pair to one device.
I fricked them up in an attempt to fix the sticks though so the signal ended up shit anyway.
Why buy those tiver the Xbox SeX original controller?
buttons on xseries have a flaw and can double-press. which is why i started searching
Aren't the xbox one controllers compatible with xbox series x? The second gen, the one with the 3.5 jack in the bottom are pretty much perfect IMO.
I've been using my series controller for a year with no problem so far. Is this a general problem or only happens in certain units?
general problem happens on all of them regardless of wear. it probably happens to you all the time but the games you play don't really care about button inputs that are like 20ms apart
Is that another new one? Might have to add it to the list
looks like a 360 repro?
I play a lot of project diva, the game is a little sensitive with double tapping. Maybe not with 20ms.
The xenon is a official repo of the 360, by the same people who made the duke repo, too.
Would any of these protect me from effectively wasting $150 in genshin impact?
Buying the zeus 2 would take away 139.99 of that, then you'd only have to worry about spending the other 10.
This one beats them all in price and performance.
not released in 2023
ugly as frick, bad ergonomics, bad colors, QA issues
>not released in 2023
an hero right now
? that things been out for months, since nov at least
nobody cares about xbox series x. xbox one controllers have very bad dpads. xbox series controllers have best-in-class dpads
at this point microsoft has indicated they don't care and just want your money. build quality isn't up to snuff anymore
>nobody cares about xbox series x.
Every time someone posts this I know he is seething about Xbox 24/7.
Why do you need an xbone, when all the games are on PC?
Every PS, Nintendo and Xbox game is on PC yet people keep buying the consoles, proving consoles were never really about exclusives. Those are just excuses for fanboys to justify their obsession with a brand. Consoles offer a simple way to play video games and the hardware is relatively cheap. Everything else isn't but still.
Prices of PC components, specially GPUs, went through the roof in these last few years only getting nowadays to something more "normal". If a console costs less than an average GPU, of course people are going to buy a console. But these days with the current gen prices still being over $400, all you have in a console is convenience. You're still forced to pay for all software that's not free to play garbage or a subscription to game pass, you still can't do much outside of gaming on these machines making them still not comparable to PCs, their catalog of games available is a very tiny fraction (and to get there they need backwards compatibility) and you still have to pay subscriptions for services that in all honesty should be free. Some games are even unoptimized to the point where you feel like you would need to upgrade your console, but there's no way to do that.
Shortages are over and consoles sell more than ever despite they cost the same or more.
>If a console costs less than an average GPU, of course people are going to buy a console.
You are contradicting yourself a few sentences later by listing how consoles are not worth it, even if they are cheaper. More expensive games, various fees, limited usability. If PC is so much better then GPU prices wouldn't matter because it is still more valuable in the long run.
As I said consoles sell on simplicity and low entry cost. Until you don't understand this you will be surprised every time a console breaks records despite it shouldn't... on paper. People buy Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo consoles because they offer a good enough experience and still relatively easy to use. Aside from Nintendo, first party titles sell a fraction what multiplats (available everywhere) do on these systems.
People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change. They want cheap plug and play and PC still can't offer this. The games are secondary, nobody buys a new machine to play 20 years old whatever games.
>People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change. They want cheap plug and play and PC still can't offer this. The games are secondary, nobody buys a new machine to play 20 years old whatever games.
PC is individually a bigger market than the consoles, though. so you are wrong. lol.
Because you count computers that can't even run Switch games. Big games sell as much as consoles if not more than on PC. The customer base is there but it is much smaller than the console userbase compared to the overall number of machines.
>Because you count computers that can't even run Switch games. Big games sell as much as consoles if not more than on PC.
No, they do not, not since some period between 2006 and 2009. PC overtook consoles long, long ago and people like you keep saying what they *think* is correct without actually being familiar with industry data
PC is bigger than consoles. Period
>without actually being familiar with industry data
Funny you say that.
>Fortnite defines the gaming industry
I'll let this attempt serve as its own critic
It has more players than all the supposedly high quality exclusives combined.
>profitable games define the gaming industry
woah, can you imagine?
>Android only has 0,5%
Huh, that's actually kinda surprising
I thought this generation is all about mobile gaming and shit
Phones are a huge market but most players never pay. It really makes you think that even if less than 1% of the users pay the game could be more profitable than a huge boxed hit.
>You are contradicting yourself a few sentences later by listing how consoles are not worth it, even if they are cheaper.
There's no contradiction. I'm talking about a component that most people don't need to splurge on for anything other than gaming. You could ditch the pricey GPU altogether and use onboard graphics. Someone might have wanted to just buy something like a miniPC and then a console separately because they could find it for cheaper. There's other uses for pricey GPUs as well, but not enough that most people would consider it worth spending more on that alone.
>People don't want to bother with putting hardware together, installation or realizing the next big game won't run on their hardware and they need to "upgrade" several pieces of hardware because of a socket change.
A decent PC build can last most of a generation of consoles. Hell, I have a ryzen 3600 over here (4 year old CPU) and can still run pretty much any game that's currently on the market. Will all of them run on ultra settings at a decent framerate? Of course not. That is never the standard of consoles either, there's always some corner cutting and optimizations to be done (and sometimes again, very poorly, they just don't care about 7 to 10fps dips here and there on a game that generally runs at 30).
>wireless
Inferior to any controller with a cord
>le... LE SUBMARINE xDD
>le logitech controller not le window rated for 1/3 of le depth
not reading the chart
bought the 8bitdo wired controller
it just werks
>buy 8bitdo guys! 8bitdo is the only other controller brand!
really curious how much of this there is
I also own a Logitech. And some xbone controllers, but I hate that layout.
I find it comes down to personal tastes as well as how big your hands, wrists, and arms are. I have both the Xbox Series and SN Pro 2 and lately I've been defaulting to the Xbox controller because it fits me better. Still use the Pro 2 for emulating due to the layout, but it's stopped being my main PC controller.
have this controller, it's not bad but the dpad is garbage and the back buttons have bad QA. Unfortunate that this is the best the market has to offer.
I like the dpad tbh. The fact that the back buttons don't send their own signal and can only be mapped to other buttons using the company's software sucks though
This is true for flight sims too
.
??? no
Drivers are in tree on the latest Linux, they present as a normal xinput or directinput controller
>asymmetrical sticks suck
Nice.
what language is this in? i can only recognize a few letters. is it in code?
>good morning gamesir
is this a poo controller?
westoids will fear the superpower
hey rajesh 2020 has passed, where's the superpoower
please do not redeem
FlyDigi Apex 2 still the best
that thing is weird as frick and i'm glad they abandoned the idea lol
curious how good the triggers feel in apex 3
You didn't use the Apex 2. Opinion discarded. IT IS THE BEST.
>try to push Y
>3 buttons of my controller fly off
>turn into some kind of drone
>fly out of my house
>i'm all alone, only able to jump and change inventory items in my video game
>two hours later the flydigi apex 2 buttons come back
>they are smoking a cigarette and carrying a natty ice
>have to chase them out of my house
>still can't attack in my video game
If your Black person hands are too stupid to control the wheel you can use the detachable frame to stop it from moving. You DIDN'T use this controller, shut the FRICK up you little b***h.
>good morning gamesir
Does 8bitdo just werk or do you need some third party drivers?
Just tell me what has the best dpad.
Vader 3
No, seriously.
8bitdo Pro 2 obviously, ignore these shills.
I’m tired of pretending that 8bitdo belongs anywhere but the garbage
i had this wierd one with a square shape enclosure around the analog.
it felt so wierd.
I had the wireless version of that. Logitech rumblepad. The vibration broke years ago, but the buttons still work fine.
Not sure if their build quality went down since. In the F310 I got as replacement, the shoulder buttons wouldn't register continuous hold very well and ABXY got sticky quite fast.
>it's that moronic controller poster again
why are PS5 controllers so shit? mine had stick drift after a few years
Why are game controllers so homogenized these days?
>Top left and bottom right: Analogs
>Bottom left: D-pad
>Top right: Buttons
Every single OP controller is like that. Microsoft and Nintendo both have their controllers like that. The only exceptions are Sony which barely changes anything (left analog and D-pad are swapped) and Valve which has the trackpads. There's barely any creativity anymore, it's all just the same shit for the most part.
Because it was proven to be the best design. Nobody could come up with better.
>clawgrip
>lock-on
>aim assist
It is objectively awful design for anything more complex than a 2D platformer. And with dogshit dpads these days it's garbage for 2D platformers too.
Ergonomics. Are you going to imply we should go back to the moron years of fricking Madcatz?
i'll stick to my t4 pro thanks
I wouldn't mind a new controller.
I've been using the following over the past year:
- Dualsense
- DS4
- Gulikit KingKong 2 Pro
- Xbox 3rd gen (the one with the circle d-pad)
- Xbox Elite series 2
- Switch Pro
- 8bitdo Pro 2
All of them have their pros and cons, and I use various stick caps/extenders on all of them. The xbox controllers are nice but the bumpers aren't suitable for certain games. The KingKong is like a comfier xbox controller with looser buttons which I prefer, but there's something about the texture I don't like the feel of. I don't like the triggers on the Pro2 and you have to adjust to the parallel handles but otherwise is fantastic.
Right now I'n switching between Switch Pro and DS4. The buttons on the Switch Pro aren't that good but the button triggers are better for some games and I like the shape, similarly I vastly prefer DS4 over Dualsense. Am I just a handlet? Is it just that I like smaller controllers? Idk, I just wish Sony would let people use DS4 on PS5 native games.
>Idk, I just wish Sony would let people use DS4 on PS5 native games.
that really stands as one of the biggest "hahahah frick you" of all time
>I don't like the triggers on the Pro2
This is the only legitimate negative of Pro2, which weirdly doesn't get brought up often - I guess that makes it a test whether a person criticizing Pro2 argues genuinely or in bad faith shilling some other controller.
Why is xbox layout so popular? As one of the few people to have actually used both I vastly prefer the snoy layout. I have owned a 360 and a ps4 consoles.
The difference isn't massive, I can still play normally with both but trying to use left stick while using the D-pad is fricking cancer on the xbox layout.
relax zoomer moron
Unless you are going for 007 Goldeneye world records why would you use both at the same time?
Changing items and shit in fromsoft games while maintaining control of my character for example, can't think of other things now but there definitely are.
To use both the d-pad and left stick on playstation I just have to claw it like I do the right, it's pretty seamless to me.
To do so on Xbox I have to move my thumb back to the d-pad, and move the index finger from the trigger ti the stick which feels awful.
It's two movements instead of one and two movements that feel more uncomfortable on top of it. To me at least but I guess I should state I have really long fingers. Which is somewhat ironic since a while ago snoy controllers got memed for being designed for little chinks and xbox controllers for people with large-ish hands.
Clawing was never the intended way to use the controllers, just a limitation. But why do you do this to yourself when a bunch of controllers offer extra buttons on the back for a long time now? Game requires too much shit? Elite it is.
Btw if you just need stuff from the Xbox D-pad sometimes then you can use your right thumb. The from games I played offered auto enemy tracking so it is not like the right stick is needed to move the camera all the time.
>Don't use the d-pad rebind your back buttons to it
No frick that, I am not binding two buttons to the same function. Why include a d-pad if I am not meant to use it? If the arguement for the xbox layout being good is "well you are meant to use back buttons and not the dpad anyways" that already proves the design is worse in my eyes. And I hate how most controllers featuring back buttons can only bind them to replicate inputs from the normal buttons.
>Clawing was never the intended way to use the controllers, just a limitation.
Could not care less what is intended and what is not, besides it probably was intended for some games, look at devil may cry.
Then I try another way.
You couldn't name a single game where the left stick and d-pad is a requirement to use, just name "from games" in general where you prefer to keep your hand on the item switching all the time. I played From games and I never felt I need to do this but if you prefer it then a controller with a back button would a hundred times more useful than trying to claw the controller in a way it was not meant to be used. I played FPS games on consoles for more than a decade and as soon as I switched to a controller with back buttons I never went back playing with a normal one. Because normal controllers are simply suboptimal for certain games. If you want to have access to more functions what you can naturally reach then it is a very good sign you will need a pro controller. If the game has too many separate button functions for console it is the fault of the developer.
I liked you before but when you refuted a statement of yours in the same sentence I stopped reading. You are not worth replying to after to that.
No, you have no arguments left but instead of not replying you want to pretend you just don't feel like it. I always found these kinds of comments weird here, announcing you are not wrong but you can't say why is elementary school. You are Anonymous, it is not like anyone will remember you lost.
>gamepad thread
>people are actually talking about the gamepads
>404
have janitor's minds been officially buck broken?
>good morning gamesir
>google it
>it's fricking real
"Gaming is Winning.™"
>buying non-hall effect controllers
moron
>Good morning gamesir
holy shit
no way the first one is real
Plenty of people hate the dualsense and I understand why, but the shape and the (eventually unfortunately drifting) analogs for me are the fricking best and the layout is just right. The buttons also don't sound like I'm chewing gum with my mouth open.
I really wish I liked the Dualsense more. It's got a very premium feel to it. But fricking hell Sony fricked up the shape of the handles. Using the thing for more than an hour was giving me and pains. Went back to the Duslshock 4 and felt the difference instantly.
i bought a logitech G F710 xontroller but ever since i got it the controller keeps disconnecting
wont be able to reply, dont have much air
Are this any good? I want to get a 360 controller, but they are getting hella expensive. I would like to known if they fixed the dpad at all.
Contemplated really long between Apex 3 and DualSense but decided to go with the latter because Apex' force feedback support seems to be entirely proprietary and non-standard. Hope that was the right call, but I don't think either was gonna be worse than my 10-year old 360 controller.
>because Apex' force feedback support seems to be entirely proprietary and non-standard.
sony's is also entirely proprietary and non-standard. you are welcome to tell me the name of the impulse trigger standard 🙂
but to be clear you applied a differentiation to one product when they are both the same exact situation. the sony controller is prob better, who knows
I mean yeah, but one is extremely popular and the other is fairly obscure and isn't even fully recognised by Steam Input. If there's ever going to be a standard for trigger force feedback, it's highly likely DualSense is going to be supported, but Apex 3's going to be up in the air.
>I mean yeah, but one is extremely popular
No it's not. PS5 impulse triggers work in like 5 games on PC.
It's not like I expect snoy to do it, but look at DS4Windows: there's 0 snoy involvement yet it's pretty comprehensive, not to mention Steam already supports DS but doesn't Apex 3 and is unlikely to.
>If there's ever going to be a standard for trigger force feedback, it's highly likely DualSense is going to be supported, but Apex 3's going to be up in the air.
also you are talking about a company that avoided making basic pc input drivers for 20+ years i would not count on them being part of any standard
sony, being evil fricks, do not desire interoperability
>$140 bugman controllers
Wtf
is the microsoft elite controller which broke in 15 different ways during 3 different production runs not a bugman controller?
thanks sir but i will stay with my cheap and generic power a corded controller for a while
im surprised this thing lasted this long
from what i can tell everyone who has that loves it, seems to be one of the better cheap third party controllers of all time.
All will have at least one button that will lose it's pushback within a month.
explain why that would happen
Why are chinks doing Xbox controllers now, these suck.
>stuck using warranties and electronics insurance because shitty Xbox controllers only last a couple months
>nothing else feels as good
i would gladly pay 200 dollars for one that just fricking lasts but i know people with the elite and they break too
There is a 1 year warranty on every controller even in third world countries.
So not in the USA.
Thanks but I'm sticking to pic rel
I really dont get why the frick everyone praises the XOne controllers with their obnoxious L2/R2 triggers that take forever to press.
>muh varying pressure response
No games do this anymore. Unless youre playing nothing but Super Mario Sunshine the rest of your life, L2/R2 having to be pressed a mile down to trigger is worthless.
not an actual problem, complaining about ticky tack shit
It is a problem, it feels so much worse than on a Switch Pro controller and has only disadvantages.
>heres your controller bro
All of these controllers are around 10~20 USDs cheaper where I live. Suck to deal with Amazon's mark up
Also, I have been using Vader 2 for 2 years and this thing refuses to break.
>refuses to break.
a controller should last 2 fricking years bro
Can you even use those ps5 type triggers on pc?
Very few games support them and only wired (except for no man's sky, which figured out the steam controller API and can use adaptive triggers and haptic feedback without problems wirelessly, so it disproves it can't be done). I tried it with deathloop and it's fine, but some weapons are just annoying to use.
scratch that, haptic feedback is not supported for some reason on steam input API
>Only wired
That is PS5 controller, has nothing to do with the one I posted. We don't know how or what it works in.
I don't see what other way can be. A game has to basically tell the controller that it supports said function. If it doesn't work the same way (and that means it gets detected as a dualsense, and works only with games that support the dualsense that way) they'd have to do some trickery and translate something else into that. Like how you can use gyro as a mouse, so you can also use it to move the camera on FPS on PC. I don't understand how that would work for this though, how the frick does it know when you're shooting a different kind of weapon for instance?
>A game has to basically tell the controller that it supports said function
why do you think this requires a wire?
That's how sony does it, I'm not saying the controller is incapable of doing it and I even linked a game that uses the Steam input API to do it wirelessly. What I don't understand is what makes you think that these other controllers are going to bypass that limitation somehow when it's a software thing.
Because it's not a fricking limitation it's a fricking sony problem holy shit I don't know why you don't understand this lol
>it's a sony problem
I have no idea what in the name of frick are you referring to at this point, to be honest.
Are there any ps5 games with trigger feedback that have been ported to PC yet?
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Controller:DualSense#Games_with_adaptive_trigger_and_haptic_feedback_support
$140 and you don't even get hall effect sticks...
Why not just get a standard xbox controller?
I would pay 300+ for a controller that has a microswitch dpad like the series x controller, back paddles, good quality sticks/buttons/triggers that won't break or drift after 2 years of moderate use, and a ten year warranty. That's all I want but no one makes a controller like this. Even the "premium" models like the Xbox Elite use shit drifting potentiometers and the buttons are prone to breaking because they use the same components as the regular controller. And then all the other ones on the market that have those other features have shit dpads.
You could probably commission an EE student to build one for you.
You forgot Sony's sorry excuse for a competitor to the XBox Elite controller. I'm paying £100 more for the exact same shit no thanks.
>instead of using hall effect sensors that won't break for their sticks, they just make the regular ones replaceable so when they break you can pay them a goy tax for new ones that will also break
I don't know how these companies get away with this shit.
>exact same
If it only had 4 back buttons and more than a few hours of battery life.
>Good Morning Gamesir
holy frick i am dying
>overpriced chinkslop controllers
no thanks, the regular xbox ones work fine, feel good in my hands and are relatively cheap
Don't mind me, just passing through.
i'll never understand how it took so long for microshaft to make decent d-pad (xbone)
You clearly have never held this masterpiece. It's still the best form-factor for people who don't have sissy-sized hands.
OP here, this was a great controller. I emulated Neo Geo and arcade games and stuff on this for years, at the dawn of emulation
based GLADIATOR controller
wait that's a HORSE HEAD
brand name was probably like GUANGZHOU HORSE SHINGSHEUI LTD
core a fusion is the only third party worth paying money for
I'm still using a wired 360 controller I bought off amazon for like 30 bucks a decade ago.
This random 20 dollar controller I found on amazon years ago had unironically been the best controller I've ever used.
what pc games actually support force feedback triggers and gyro?
>force feedback triggers
If you mean adaptive triggers, these
although the list is incomplete
>gyro
Any game can be made to use gyro through steam input (with plenty of settings for it) and some emulators also support it (like Yuzu)
it seems nice, but too fancy
I don't need a freaking lcd screen on my controller and more LEDs
>Any game can be made to use gyro through steam input (with plenty of settings for it) and some emulators also support it (like Yuzu)
interesting
cool ill take a ps2 controller and a ps2 to usb dongle
Am I moronic? I can't find out anything about the vader 3 (which sounds amazing for that price)
Don't even have that series on their website. only the apex.
This is 25 euro
I'm curious about what kind of shit exists for the dualsense. I put a battery in that makes the controller not fricking die so quickly but I've seen some weird fricking mods.
I dunno I dropped the PS after 2 I'm more comfortable with keyboard and mouse but from what I know playing in game bars dual shock is just more comfortable for me than Xbox. I cant tell you much about lifespan or mods
The Apex 3 seems so cool but it's too expensive for me.
Does anyone have it and the Direwolf? CAn anyone compare their dpads?
Surprisingly so hard to find reviews and impressions online especially with reddit being "closed" rn
What's the difference between trigger and stick trigger?
nevermind
who else picked one up for 5 bucks that time
Tried to get one for steam deck in TV mode, but they are all discontinued and I don’t want to have a second-hand one.
>Made for man hands
>Sick transparent green
>Build in LED screen to play the boot up animation and nothing else
Yep its time for the Duke.
Does anyone besides microsoft have a clicky microswitch dpad? That's the one thing keeping me from buying other controllers because regular membrane ones feel like shit now.
Joycons
>asymmetrical sticks
no thanks
thinking of getting a controller for pc, should i get a ps5 or xbox controller?
PowerA Gamesir Flydigi BEITONG controller
Version X.2
Good morning gamesir!
good morning gamesir
PS5 dpad is pretty bad for fightan if you're planning on any, xbox is nice for official support not having to mod games for input labels
>PS5 dpad is pretty bad for fightan
never really played any fighting games (dont enjoy them tbh). For stuff like racing and platformers where i can just sit back and chill?
cant it to wired? though fair point, but gotta buy the dongle
Dreading the day my PS3 sixaxis dies
I never used it sorry anon, I think it should be alright if you don't mind fiddling with 3rd party software / bluetooth stuff for wireless
Xbox is the only one that supports 2.4 for wireless on PC. If you use a dualsense you have to use BT which is shit.
Xbox or Dualshock 4. Get a Dualsense if you only plan on playing walking Sims or want tendinitis.
Xbox Elite in your favourite colours or GTFO.
>elite
>flawed button design
>non hall sticks
lmao, what are you even paying for?
DS4/Dual sense are fricking perfect because DS4Windows obliterates any shitty mapping software out there.
>mapping software
no use for any such thing
I use them in every single game. Just having mouse movement mapped to a combination of keys is kino for navigating in steam overlay from the couch (without using shitty steam big picture mode).
you can get one of those chink trackpad/keyboards even comes with a wireless usb dongle, pretty cheap so you aren't losing much if it breaks
Which one is the xbox controller with hallmark sensors for joysticks? Because that's the only one worth buying anymore until first parties catch up.
why aren't deadzones implemented through the driver? instead each game/emulator has to make it themselves or hope that a fan patch will make one
>all of these meme controllers have gyro
>xbox controllers still don’t
reeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Is any of these actually good?
Is it worth to swap over my old x360 controller that works just fine?
>Is any of these actually good?
Of course not. Go either with official 1st party, Hori, or use KB+M.
these companies make hori and etc contorllers bro.
Just because they're manufacturing these controllers doesn't mean they designed them.
I can design a controller. Top to bottom. Engineering, electronics and all. One guy. Don't even have a phd.
This market has matured, and these companies sensed blood in the water due to "Stick drift". Grow up kid, things change over time. You wouldnt have bought a fricking apple product in the 1990s or be made fun of. Now you'll be made fun of at your high school without one.
This is partially relevant: Which in-game OSD do you use and how well do they support controllers?
I really miss the ability to take a screenshot with a single press on the controller.
>Good morning gamesir
Updated for next bread. Anybody know some other ones? Released in 2023 in the west only. No 8bitdo, I will not advertise for them (they've done it here enough already) and ultimate came out in november anyway
I'm looking to buy a new controller as my xbox one dpad double clicks in every direction, I'd honestly just buy the same pad but I want a pad with 2.4ghz wireless dongle, what are my options?
...buy the wireless dongle for the xbox pad?
I would but for once my xbox pad is broken and I want a completely new pad and two this dongle alone costs more than a new pad around here it's crazy.
what country? any of the ones in OP available?
What's the best controller for pc if I have huge hands? Duke?