>2024
>still the king of stealth
Why do others keep failing?
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>2024. >still the king of stealth
>2024
>still the king of stealth
Why do others keep failing?
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stealth fans are easily amused
is this one of those shit on the game so people will actually talk about it and youre OP anyways theif is a good time I love bhopping around
Um, I think you mean IMMERSIVE SIM
No. Frick you.
I've played Thief to death and I've never seen them acting this braindead, are you using a mod or some shit?
Bro most "LOLOOLOL THIS GAME SUCKS" webms spammed on this board are completely faked or just a one time bug.
they are all cowards
what I wouldn't give for an immersive fantasy sim with the texture and feel of a thief game. I don't care for graphics, I want the sheer sovl that every mission has
If the gaming industry has to crash and burn to give us another Eidos, so be it
what fm is this?
Black Parade. Mission 6 (Kept Away from View)
>another Eidos
You mean Looking Glass.
Eidos is still around and Thief was good in spite of their "contributions".
It's not that others keep failing, it's that nobody is even trying to make a proper stealth game.
Still haven't played a stealth game that has ever come close to the majesty that is Life of the Party
I mean most games in general dont even have levels that good
And to think that Emil Pagliarulo made that level
Metal Age and Deadly Shadows way better, I'll die on this hill
>Deadly Shadows
not even remotely close to being true
Oh please, half of the time in DP you're playing Tomb raider with maps so bad in MA they pissed away the idea entirely.
also DS actually has a story, not just collect stuff for dude -> dude is evil -> defeat dude
"First game therefore it's best", fricking nostalgia cucks
But I liked the tomb raider levels
>Couldn't sneak past the zombies, therefore game is bad
Those maps added much needed variety and they were fun on top of that. They also had flaws but no game is perfect and considering how LGS revolutionized the industry with Thief and Ultima I can forgive them the few mistakes here and there.
Ultima Underworld has one fatal flaw that makes me really hate the game.
it resulted in underworld ascendant
That's not an inherent flaw of the game.
It has to do with fraudulent hacks who needed to launder some money.
but you could sneak past the zombos. They share the same suspicion and alert states as any other NPC. You could even dot that with the dollar store dinos
You can also knock out burricks, craymen and I think even spiders with the blackjack, funnily enough. Animal enemies are blackjackable which is not something most people realize when playing for the first time.
the blackjack does like 1 point of damage due to engine mechanics. If you boink hard enough a alert guard you can actually kill them with it if you are autistic enough
I know. My reply was to the other anon.
>DP maps are bad
>Spooky maps are bad
You are objectively wrong and have no taste. Go back to the well lit mansions where you belong pussy.
Are there any good spooky usermaps?
Half of Black Parade maps.
Dark Project was highly experimental game and they were so good that Metal Age is full of them
oh wait
It's a nonsense comparison, the reason there are less catacombs levels and spooky shirts in T2 isn't due to them abandoning what you would consider bad design(it's actually good homosexual). But due in large part to the antagonists changing completely and so did the main settings. Remember also that undeath is tied to artifacts and the tricksters curses. It would have been boring to do the same stuff all over again. Both types of missions are good, catacombs/spooky shit and also cathedrals/high tech compunds.
>DS actually has a story
>Betrayer is ebul
>don't know who they are
>find out who they are
>defeat betrayer
An extra step? Truly innovative story progression. Thief 3 Hollywood adaptation when? Bonus points if Garret is black.
why do you hate good level design, anon?
>Deadly Shadows
>Deadly Shadows way better
>the game that needs to be modded in order to be fixed
>Because the company was forced to consolfie the game
>Because the game has loading screens everywhere that breaks it
>The third person stupidity
jesus fricking christ no, I like the game but base deadly shadows is unplayable. Not even in a bethesda mods will fix it way. AT LEAST those are playable and you can finished the game without a mods.
Thief isn't a stealth game, it's a stealth simulation. It's in a category of its own.
What is the state of modding DS today? I haven't attempted to play it since Windows Vista.
It's a stealth game, stop huffing your own farts. I probably like thief as much as you do, but you're going to have to come up with some good reasons as for why it should be classified "sim" and not just a regular stealth game like any other. What exactly does thief have that makes it different from other stealth games(besides the obvious superior level design and being better overall, lol)
Stimulation of physics and other systems that interact with each other.
Examples: doors being picked or blown up, NPCs having senses affected by light and sound of each other, crates, weapons having weight and other physical properties, jumping from a height on a window or glass breaks etc.
Agreed. Thief 3 has better light and shadow system, better AI and they also kept the original story as envisioned by LGS. Outside those 3 aspects, game is inferior to Thief 1 and 2.
>Thief 3 has better light and shadow system
Debatable.
>better AI
Sure, whatever you say.
The only true positives TDS had was Stephen Russell, Eric Brosius, an attempt to continue the original story, and the few cutscenes they actually attempted to do in the original style.
Shalebridg Cradle, The House of the Widow Moira. I like Jammal more than Karras.
>Deadly Shadows
???????
Deadly shadows is one of few games where I can actually understand the "clunky controls" argument.
Thief invisible war is complete dogshit
Actual Invisible war was fine for a playthrough yet it takes all the flak meanwhile Thief invisible war ruins everything from the first 2 games
DS has a good story and it's a good conclusion to the trilogy if anything else. They were forced to release it on the console and it's a miracle that the third game even happened and that most of LGS people were involved.
Invisible War is just irredeemable trash.
Okay you can make a good argument for The Metal Age but Thief 3? C'mon anon...
deadly shadows bros we are so back. I loved the deus ex style semi open world hub style they went for
>Deadly Shadows
Gee, I wonder which of the original games the Thiaf games took their design inspiration from.
I actually really like Deadly Shadows quite a bit but it's not as good as 1 or 2.
Heh, it's a Thief thread. How pretentious can you get?
Well, I ain't deleting it. No tiff-taffin' way.
Someone out there is living in a universe where Phantom Pain was a series of four or five interconnected Camp Omega-sized levels built with replayability in mind ala Hitman WoA instead of the empty map with "outposts" consisting of two tents and one porta-potty we got.
Replayability in MGSV is taking the same area but adding different way points and sprinkle some enemies in different areas for a side mission meant to be treated like an arcade.
>implying
>yfw playing the Expert Burglar level from Dunwall City Trials
Should I watch show my wiener(Show by rock)? The blackface sheep creeps me out
>implying that teleporting, shapeshifting, xray vision and time manipulation make a good stealth game
Dishonored is only a good wizard game.
>Dishonored is only a good wizard game
It’s kind of a shame really, it’s built around stealth despite having some incredibly fun magic that’s lethal for the most part, in a game that punishes you with the bad ending for killing, that time stop ability is fantastically implemented but if you’re purely running stealth it’s basically worthless for the most part, Dishonored should’ve played like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
Dishonored is more Bioshock+Stealth Genre than anything else. Especially considering the stealth is optional. The game might be OK, but if you were judging it purely as a stealth title then it would be sorely lacking(especially compared to thief).
Compared to most games it wouldn't be since it's one of the few where you can do a no-kill and almost no
-knockout run. Pure Stealth
Easily
>substitutes janky granny crouch walking with point to point short range teleport
THATS NOT STEALTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>the virgin anime teleport vs the chad bunnyhop
not stealth + inferior to arkane's previous games
>inferior to arkane's previous games
Dark Messiah sucks and Arx Fatalis is the skeleton of a game
Dishonored is a terrible stealth game.
>Who would win in a fight, you or Corvo?
>If he wallhacks or freezes time, he could give me some trouble
>Would you lose?
>Nah, I'd win
>game literally calls you an assassin
>punishes you for actively playing
>game literally calls you a hitman
>punishes you for actively playing
Except Hitman rewards you for killing your targets and not getting noticed. They even added in a new mode that forces you to do a lot of creative kills in the current games.
>Game calls you an assassin
>You're actually just a supersoldier that effortlessly fights entire armies and you can only kill your targets in the loudest and most conspicuous way possible
Problem is you're treating the High Chaos ending as a bad ending rather than simply the outcome of how you tackled things.
>be assassin
>slaughter every living being between you and your target
>be surprised when bad things happen
I don't think you know what an assassin is
>Burly gang members try to murder and possibly rape you
>n-noooo you can't kill them cause karma and the rats nooo let them live to kill again
No forgiveness for Black person behaviour
Except you can kill the thugs and nothing happens, you disingenuous frick. Kill the thugs and no one else, you either finish that mission in Low Chaos or if you finish it in High you got another seven missions to play through and lower your Chaos. Don't be a 'tard or accept that games can offer consequences for gameplay choices.
>Overhear guards talking about how evil they are
>They see you
>Despite not knowing who you are yet, they immediately attempt to murder you
>You kill them in self defense
>n-noooo you can't kill them cause karma and the rats nooo let them live to kill again
better?
>overhear guards talking about how evil they are
Doesn't happen, you're talking about Heart quotes not overhearing a conversation as the trulu heinous ones are few and far between and certainly not in the level where you decide to go schizo on the thugs
not knowing who you are yet, they immediately attempt to murder you
Are you being moronic on purpose or just pretending? Do you play the game deaf as to not hear the announcements stating no one is allowed outside during curfew, or blind as to not realize you are wearing a fricking creepy mask?
>You kill them in self defense
You're a supernatural magic user that is going out of his way to be seen then *chooses* to kill when he could teleport away, stop time or shoot them with anesthesia
>better?
In that I now know you are a inbred, yeah
>n-no they're not all bad! they're mostly good boys who dindu nuffin
>ITS YOUR FAULT FOR BREAKING QUARANTINE!! The state SHOULD get to murder you on sight and on halloween!
>Its 100% your fault that you got mugged by Black folk in a bad part of town, you should have been there! You should have avoided them better!
>generic insult
Yeah... I'm still going to kill anyone who attacks me and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's illegal sir
>I'm still going to kill anyone who attacks me
Then stop coping with that action having a tangible reaction
>Then stop coping with that action having a tangible reaction
That wasn't me, I joined the conversation after your assassin comment for no other reason than to try and paint you as a pansy.
Can you motherfrickers stop misunderstanding the Chaos System for one day please? It's not a morality system and it has never been. It's a dynamic gameplay style tailoring mechanism. It gives more stealth to stealth players and more action to action players. The only character in the franchise who "judges you" at all is Samuel, and he triggers a big action scene in the final mission of Dishonored 1 based on the fact that you seem to prefer that gameplay.
I bet the fact that it's so incredibly hard to get the actual bad ending just made brainlets think that the ooh spooky thunderstorm ending is the bad one. There's a mission with a thousand times the plague corpses that you can cumulatively generate through murder, and you think that your actions had any impact on the future of the empire?
At least they wrote the sequel in a way that is compatible with both playstyles in the first game. That's probably the only good part of Dish2's writing.
When did I say it was a morality system you fricking imbecile? Stop agreeing with me then replying to me saying I'm not
>At least they wrote the sequel in a way that is compatible with both playstyles in the first game
By ruining Chaos by making your actions in Dunwall somehow affect people in Karnaca?
>By ruining Chaos by making your actions in Dunwall somehow affect people in Karnaca?
No that's just an inconsistency in the game design where Overall Chaos carries over from the prologue onward without any real in-world justification. It's a gameplay system, not a perfectly programmed gameplay system.
The actual point was that whether the player did the campaign of the first game in high or low chaos, the start of the campaign in the second game makes no commentary regarding which it was. Many people died in the plague, and Emily can have either looked up to a schemer or a tyrant. Everyone you can have killed during gameplay is absent just in case so there's no contradiction. Emily struggles between ruling with grace or force due to the harsh realities of imperial governance. The beginning cutscene is vague about deaths instead of explicitly condemning or condoning murder.
The only campaign that is canonically Low Chaos gameplay is Daud's storyline because the scenario where he's an unrepentant murderer leads to Corvo executing him and one where he leaves violence behind has Corvo sparing him.
>No that's just an inconsistency in the game design
Exactly, and it's bad. No moment in the first game was like that
>It's a gameplay system, not a perfectly programmed gameplay system
It's a gameplay system they went out of their way to ruin from the first game
>The actual point was that whether the player did the campaign of the first game in high or low chaos, the start of the campaign in the second game makes no commentary regarding which it was
"Gathering of the Regenters" confirms Burrows was arrested. Sokolov, Piero, Samuel and Callista were all shown to survive the first game when the last two specifically die no matter what in High Chaos. Daud and Billie are alive as well. You then have Garvey Smith confirming shit as canon years before there even was a Dishonored 2, all that shit about retconning Lady Boyle's non-lethal end. There's simply no universe where Corvo could do D1 in High Chaos that would result in Callista not being executed by Havelock, or that would realistically result in Corvo killing shittons of people but not the Regent who was responsible for the entire game happening to begin with.
>invent entire scenario that has nothing to do with the game or the topic
>all so you can win an internet argument and not look moronic
No anon you are the double Black folk
The game calls you an assassin for a murder you didn't commit though?
assassins are valued for discreet precision you dumb fricking shit. If anybody who goes and shoots out a place with everybody else in it can be called an assassin then al capone was one
>stealth system is as basic as visible/hidden
Yeah, no chief
>Dishonored
>stealth
This is the worst way to play the game.
its one of these games where you have to play with self imposed challenges. like no power, or no kill, or whatever. u can also customize difficulty settings in dishonored 2
its too new for Gankertrannians. As far as passing the true stealth game litmus test, ghosting sprawling levels by only knocking out mission critical targets, it passes with flying colors. Better then thief for certain
Much worse than thief
Black Parade is ludo
That is all
Eidos honestly delivered a lot of good PC games back in the mid 1990's to early 00's.
What happens if its full?
A portal opens to an alternate universe where all vaporware games were finished and feature complete.
Omikron had a Bowie soundtrack.
>take us to theedgeof time
it is definitely one of the bowie soundtracks of all time
how many boxes like that does it take to make a full circle?
>how many boxes like that does it take to make a full circle?
clearly 16.
>Omikron had a Bowie soundtrack.
David Bowie was directly involved with the development of Omikron, he recorded a couple 'original' tracks for the game as well as did some voice acting.
>Where's Soul Reaver?
That's not my photo. Just one I found on a google search.
Where's Soul Reaver?
Because nobodys trying
On the other hand, the market doesnt want stealth games, thus nobody is trying
No one can match Thief's sound design to this day. What drives me nuts is that no one even attempts to do what LGS did and audio is always neglected.
Thief killed its studio 3 times
Stealth FPS is a cursed genre
no game will ever beat Thief 1 and 2 in terms of atmosphere and sound design is the main reason why
Was Eric Brosius the guy responsible for the atmospheric stuff and sound design?
Yep. He did the sound design for SWAT 4 also, which added to the creepiness (I swear I could hear some Thief samples there).
>No one can match Thief's sound design
Not sure what you mean by that: it's good and fitting, but you're going overboard.
there are games today that cannot even get simple directional sound right
let alone have the sound play
modern games are garbage
Sure, but plenty games have aced it way beyond what Thief did, Splinter Cell is a simple example.
How?
In terms of technology, Splinter Cell peaked from the first game and outdid itself with Chaos Theory, sound propagation is highly detailed, both in terms of how AI perceives it and how the player hears it, sound propagates through corridors with echo, closed doors muffle sounds, curtains and paper walls let most of the sound through, rain covers most sounds... and even then the sound design is stellar, levels have tons of sound sources that allow the player to notice doors being opened by a change in ambiant sounds, footsteps propagate properly in vertical levels and allow to follow the movement in 3D.
If you think Thief is still peak sound design you need to reconsider, even stuff like Hogwarts Legacy has sound design and technology above what Thief did.
Where did you get this from? Honestly. The 3d sound technology in Thief far surpasses that of SC. One of the games mentioned as having very good 3d sound and propagation is Hunt Showdown, plus the PS5 has support for 3d sound design and propagation but it needs games that utilize this tech.
And articles about SCCT don't mention the sound aspect except for sound masking feature whereas Thief is known for its unique sound system, surfaces, propagation etc.
Anon I hope you're kidding, such sound features have become pretty much standard in video games since every major publisher adopted wwise.
Are you trolling? I used to be better at noticing trolls.
Do you know what wwise is?
An audio authoring tool used in games.
You could have posted the rest of the wikipedia page.
Some games do, others don't.
Ok, so? Some games have this tech and...barely any difference. Thief is the IP that utilized the tech at the time to its full extent, hence the recognition.
You're claiming Thief did something that no one else ever managed to do since. That's just not the case, plenty games exceeded that. Just because most are not stealth games and you're not quite seeing it doesn't make it any less true.
Yeah, yeah you said they have the tech. Cool. Why didn't they use it? They don't have to be stealth games. Can be any other genre.
Okay you're right, I'm wrong, Thief is the great mystery of the pyramids, no one understands how it was made and no one can do it again.
>plenty games exceeded that.
What other games physically mapped out all the sound paths by hand, made sound levels for all kinds of walking on different surfaces, and then designed the AI around it?
just because they're standard doesnt change modern games have terrible audio design and terrible audio systems
apex legends has the worst audio I have ever heard in a video game
everything sounds like it's at the same volume but small quiet sounds are impossible to hear
that reason alone was enough for me to quit that game
>The 3d sound technology in Thief
lolwut? Thief's "3D sound technology" is the sound running on the equivalent of model train tracks around the levels, it's hilariously simple, but brilliantly effective.
No shit, the game came out in 98, it couldn't do anything super intensive. The difference is they actually made great sounds, tested it in gameplay, and designed their engine to support it. It's a lot like RTX and mirrors. Ancient games could do reflections just fine, but we'll have to dedicate huge chunks of silicon for the same effect because devs aren't willing to do the hackery and manual design any more. You have to brute force it with sheer technology.
Sad thing is, even if it's not "correct", the hacky solution will often look better because a person had to agonize over how to make it work for the player. I bet we'll get "good" sounds eventually with some 3d ray tracing shit, but it'll still sound weird because lazy devs won't design their levels and material settings correctly.
It's fricking infuriating how nobody even tries to match it. It's not even a particularly complex system but the way it's used is perfection.
>each area is flagged with different tags and sounds both inside them and coming from them can be more muffled or echoed depending on the sort of space it is
my jimmies are still rustled over that quebecois matt mcmuscles homosexual making an entire video on thi4f without mentioning this awful fricking forum post a single time. i bet he was biased in its favor too because he was literally an eidos montreal employee, jesus fricking christ
>without mentioning this awful fricking forum post a single time
The entire Eidos forums got completely nuked shortly after Thief 2014 (nothing to do with the game, just the Squeenix merger) and in a rare case there's barely any archives of it on the wayback machine. I checked. The best you've got are some screenshots and a few links on the rpgcodex thread ABOUT the eidos forum drama.
Reason why he didn't cover it is because he likely didn't know it even existed/happened
I still don't understand how the SWOOP works physically. It makes no sense!
Stealth in itself isn't worth making a game for which is why Hitman moved to interactive sandboxes and challenges with stealth more passively incorporated
>Fisher
>OP is convinced that Chaos Theory isn't the best stealth game ever made
>He wants to get intimate with his mother and the video game board on Ganker to get his way
>Go in and convince him otherwise
>Dammit Fisher! I gave you explicit orders to go after Anon and you chose to post in another vidya butts thread while his thread saged. I don't know what to say. Get out of there, the mission's over. You're finished!
fricking golden.
>Damnit fisher, that's three bans! The jannies are rangebanning us as we speak. I'm pulling the plug, mission's over!
Lambert from new SC be like
>Assuming it won't be THAT black chick
here's your stealth game bro
I could feel the tension through my eyes.
Kino.
Why didn't he jump onto the carpet or just use a moss arrow on the tiles? Why did he play like a moron who doesn't know the game mechanics?
he's in the tutorial stage and is new, please be patient
https://sh.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1776332&dswid=7559
Thiefbots are mentally ill
This is meant to show what? Running past enemies is something you can do in roll souls slop as well.
you do this every thief thread do you have a mental illness or do you make these threads and then start posting?
>a thief being able to outwit his enemies with his agility and speed when he is detected is bad because........ it just is okay!?
I bet you like games with forced stealth where you are forced to reload a savegame every time you get caught.
Yes
when you have high adrenaline and are running down hill like that it does feel like the world slows down when you are dodging the police
Deadly Shadows Black folk are always apologists for the game because they played it first when they were 10yo on the og Xbox and they hold major rose tinted glasses nostalgia for it, it's always funny when they try to accuse people who like the two earlier games of being nostalgiagays when 1&2 have far less technical issues, are far easier to play on modern systems without problems and have infinitely larger fan communities that still make content for those games to this day. If T3 was so good you'd think some moron would spend his days making fan missions for the game with no rope arrows and no swimming. Literally pure projection on the part of Deadly Shadows Black folk, they should be fricking happy the game is seen in a semi respectable light at all, they have Thi4f being an absolute dumpsterfire to thank for that.
How did you know? It's so over, I've been found out, I've been exposed. There's no coming back from this. I can't win.
The game sucks enough as it is I can't imagine being one of the people who actually played it on Xbox. My thoughts and prayers go out to you brother.
The game is actually not that bad, but definitely worse than T1/2. Also modding T3 to remove the fog will only help get rid of loading screens. It won't fix the ingrained bite sized level designs. Also the gateway areas are still barren because they were designed as such.
Mostly I just liked the idea of the City as a hub between missions, it was fun looting some extra money to fund jobs and exploring.
>even Thief has it's own schizo now
You simply aren't to like good video games in this shithole.
>AS SOON AS I FIND YOU YOU'RE DEAD
CEASE THY HIDING, CRAVEN
>WHEN I FIND YOU I'M GONNA TAKE MY TIME WITH YOU
STOP! I won't hurt you, I promise!
DON'T WORRY, I'LL FIND YOU
>b-lines towards you in complete darkness
>"I'll just fight them with the blackjack!"
>guard hits me twice in one attack animation
>I die
So this is skill issue
Please be warned: A misguided soul. All should hear the words of Karras... the words of Karras.
Dishonored is better because of blink
Because they're not meant to rule. Only 1 can be a king.
Thanks to the anon that recommended the Lankhmar novels. They're fricking awesome.
There is no black people so zoomers and Americans get immediately confused and angry.
Eh
Nothing personal taffer bros
frick forgot pic
ok I am sure I had uploaded the pic in the last post, wtf!?
Taffer issue
So what's the deal about this game anyway? t. stealth noob that barely started Thief recently
it's really good
Best stealth series. Take it slow, go normal or hard difficulty first, explore, tons of secrets, the money you get will be used to buy gear before the next mission, prioritize water, moss, rope arrows, learn the different mechanics and surface types and noises, lean into doors to listen what's on the other side etc. Too much to lost here. Have fun.
he was asking about CT anon...
The leaning into doors thing was new info to me though so I appreciate that comment still
Shit, shouldn't post when I'm dead tired.
>versatile and agile character
>plenty of ways to interact with the game world
>solid level design and great sneaking challenges (can almost see the devs grinning when the game puts you between the sword and the wall)
>excellent AI (enemy guards notice minute changes in the level and aren't bloody morons when they discover you)
>alarm states have permanent chnages on the level and enemy
>great co-op mode
>spy vs mercs
>kino aesthetics
you forgot the most important traits:
>limitation on killing / stunning enemies
>player physically weak and can't just hack and slash through all enemies
>scarse ammunition / equipment
It's kino secret agent stuff. Story may seem like some generic boomer suspense movie but the gameplay is super well though out in ways to complete your mission and it's tons of fun to experiment. Really good stealth mechanics.
https://vocaroo.com/1e4jmI44AQXb
Imagine being The guard in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Fisher, where did ya go, all invisible and shit with your body in the shadows. I totaly cannot see you right there over me with a giant bulb of light behind you. when all he really wants to do is shoot the fricking guy right in the balls. Like seriously. Imagine having to be that Soldier and not only have to ignore the guy in plain fricking sight right in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing the 3 green lights he carries around his head,because they're not the ones who have to walk pass there and watch the fricking elephant in the room jump from 9f onto the ground making the largest sound in the world and you have to act like you didnt noticed it. while he just sits there, load after load, until he perfected the take down. Not only having to tolerate the fricking audacity of hiding in plain fricking sight but his haughty attitude as everyone on here tells you that "DANM THATS THE BEST STEALTH GAME EVER MADE. WHERE DID FISHER GO? IS HE A GHOST OR SOMETHING??". You trained your entire life in the best boot camps in russia and was survived war zones that were considered suicide missions your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Afeganistam. You've never even seen anything this fricking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat thats breaking out on his fricking balls while he just hangs in there waiting for you to pass, smugly assured that you are oblivious to the king of stealth(for that is what he calls himself), the stealth he worked so hard breaking every single light bulb in the previous room. And then the player reloads again, and you know you could kill the fricker before he even finishes climbing the wall but you sit there and endure it, cause you're a fricking Professional. You not going to lose your future main character status in a generic FPS game over this. Just bare it. Hide your face and bare it
The night vision lights are for the player. They're IR lights and we're viewing Sam through a camera so we can see them just like you can see the IR light on your remote control through your phone camera.
The people in person can't see them because the human eye can't see infrared.
>load after load
they know me so well
>"stealth gaming" against NPC idiots
Try real humans, neeeerd:
>Try real humans, neeeerd
This is pretty much what Hunt: Showdown is about
Found the headsman bushcamper who misses his shot after aiming it for 10 minutes.
Sometimes I play with shitters so that even 3 star homosexuals like yourself with never be safe from me. (:
The predictable movement of npcs in stealth games is intended. It's like a puzzle
>third person stealth game
>is the best stealth game in the recent years (I know hitman is stealth but it's mostly social stealth)
>still ongoing with a sequel that is much better (you can try the prologue for free)
>made by one schizo
>game made in response to every criticism that everyone ever aimed at stealth games on the account of them being unrealistic
The idea of Intravenous is good but I don't think it was really thought through in execution. Stealth games are unrealistic on purpose to make them more fun. I don't really care that it's more realistic that someone would investigate the source of an obvious distraction attempt instead of the distraction itself. I dont really care that silenced weapons actually don't make quite as much noise as they would in real life. A game needs systems that you can use to your advantage, and a stealth game needs ones that you can use to gain unfair advantage due to facing overwhelming odds that you can't overcome fairly.
>A game needs systems that you can use to your advantage
I kind of agree, I think it should be a toggleable since you can already customize so many settings already (including gun noises), I would've also liked if there was something to get rid of the blood when you kill someone because it pushes the game into some sort of "binarity" where you either do non lethal stealth or full combat (or you can do lethal stealth if you manage to kill people because they even witness blood).
That's a shame because the gameplay is kind of like SC:CT and the combat is good
if you manage to kill people before** they even witness blood
Very excited for this. If anyone is as autistic as me and want all the achievements for the demo then you can replay the first mission again and again in NG+ and get 10k each time as long as you spend the money at the start each time
I did already, was speedrunning the second mission because somehow the money didn't get carried over anymore
It's pretty good. I just hate how AI overreacts to doors, enemies keep going through doors and leaving them open, and the moment you interact with one incorrectly it raises an alarm.
That aside yeah it's close to perfection and genuinely one of the best stealth games ever made.
Holy frick DS is bad
>Can't knockout enemies unless Garret raises his hand first
What a pile of shit, not to mention that the map is fricking GARBAGE!
Yep.
Get Sneaky Upgrade.
Although I still left hand raising on because it felt jank and awkward as frick blackjacking people without it. Seems like it was designed this way.
I did and you have to keep the raised thing, because that's what indicates a knockout, which means you can't knockout from the front or side.
I FRICKING LOVE CHAOS THEORYYYYYYY
It is. Especially the interrogation dialogues.
>buggy AI running into a wall
Many such cases.
These games are so fricking good. They cannot be left and forgotten because all the minute interactions are so sweet.
There's this indie dev who looks to be making very clearly SC-inspired work. It's called No Sun to Worship. He's definitely not "there" yet but it's a solid little game and shows a lot of promise.
Splinter Cell is so amazing
people always say they like train missions in stealth game but aside from that mission which can be cool the first time you play it, it serves zero purpose
I love the trains in Sly 2 as well
I've always found it funny how no other game seriously made SOUND a major element. You obviously make noise, but no game really expects you to pay attention to sound because there are usual visual systems to help you instead. Thief has the light gem, but unless you're listening to ingame audio cues you ain't getting far.
I really appreciate the sound so far in Thief 1. It's been fun going from being a complete bumbler to being able to guesstimate where enemies are just by shutting up and paying attention instead of say pressing some button and magically seeing them all
>I've always found it funny how no other game seriously made SOUND a major element.
I mean...
Splinter Cell games did
Dishonored
MGS
Any horrow game worth it's salt also does
Subnautica
R6 Siege
Arx Fatallis
Deus Ex
System Shocks
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls (though these two are more for atmosphere rather than gameplay purposes)
That's about as far as I can remember though...
>MGS
It always baffles me that not only does MGS always get mentioned in stealth threads despite half the gameplay being combat, but somehow there is this group of people who think that its gameplay is somehow remarkable. It's one of the most simplistic excuses for gameplay you've ever seen in a game with 3d graphics. It's an un-evolved 8-bit game reskinned with PS1 3d visuals. Every aspect of its gameplay is less sophisticated than every game of its budget released the same year, or even earlier, and/or with lower budget. Let's face it. Everyone only remembers that game for all the ways it's a movie instead, and for the single-use gimmicks meant to facilitate a false atmosphere of originality in game design.
Even the footprints on snow isn't real. Go anywhere else with snow on the ground and the system doesn't even exist.
I was talking about the series in general
But if were to mention specific entries than it obvously be 3 and 5
Well, the series isn't called Metal Gear Solid, it's Metal Gear, so that's what always confuses the discussion. It's a very small minority of games in that franchise that are remotely categorizable as actual stealth games. So, it's better to just leave them out of stealth threads, since by their standards there would be a hell of a lot more games with more stealth content that would then count as well. Aliens vs Predator 1999 is about 250% the amount of stealth proportionally than any MG game but nobody tries to count that.
Yeah, I don't count the Metal Gear/Solid games as stealth. There's stealth elements but they're their own weird little thing, the closest you get to proper stealth is MG3 and even then it's just camo, nothing about LOS, light levels, etc.
>Dishonored
ahahhahaahhaahaha
None of those utilize sound the way Thief does.
anon I am not taking merit from Thief, but sound is an indispensible gameplay feature of Arx, Chaos Theory, Amnesia Bunker and Siege
and Subnautica
And you won't get advancements in sound technology anytime soon, since consoles are a major slice of the market, and console players don't use headphones at all.
Hunt: Showdown has the best sound design of any game in history. You use your ears more than your eyes to discover and place enemies. I've done wallbangs on the sounds alone from footsteps and the noises people make handling their weapons and gear.
>Hunt: Showdown
What even is that game?
PvPvE extraction shooter set in 1890's Louisiana bayou where the swamps have become a voodoo nightmare of monsters. Up to 12 hunters in groups of 1 to 3 are tasked with investigating points of interest to find clues that point to the POI with a boss lair. Kill the boss, collect their bounty, and get out. Meanwhile every other player is trying to do the same thing, and usually you are in the way.
It's both the most boring and the most intense shooter I've ever experienced. It's way more about mindgames, stealth, positioning, and tactics than it is about twitch aiming. More often than not if you're in a 1:1 shootout you've seriously fricked up already. The audio design is a masterpiece, unironically the best in any game ever. Everything you do from walking on various surfaces to reloading to changing your weapons and using consumables makes an identifiable sound. Gunshots can be heard across the map and are your primary method for identifying other teams, what they're doing, and what kind of combat is going on. Like if you hear one or two types of gun popping off repeatedly, that's probably someone fighting a boss. If you hear two or more guns firing at eachother in sequence, that's a gunfight. There's technically permadeath but the hunters and loot are pretty disposable and I've never wanted for resources playing the game. It's leaned heavy into the typical battle-royale cosmetic microtransactions recently but there's no P2W. Also the meta is very fricked up at higher skill levels which works out okay because most people are mid-range to shitter anyway.
>t's way more about mindgames, stealth, positioning, and tactics
When I get 3 guys with chain pistols (or any time before the Avto nerf) fanning the hammer at me and there is like 60 seconds of solid firing, it doesn't feel like that kind of game anymore.
Those guns suck shit. You can barely hit the broadside of a barn with them, and you shouldn't be in 1:1 shootouts with players of that caliber anyway. Use your items like decoys and traps to hang them up and misdirect them.
My issue isn't that the guns are good. It's that they're heavy RNG and they rely on quantity, rather than precise shots. Basically, if they fire enough bullets eventually the dice will roll in their favorite and they'll get me. When someone fires 18 bullets in a few seconds from a few feet awat and misses everything. It kinda feels like bullshit. And when I'm 30m away and the 1st or 2nd shot of fanning headshots me and kills me, it kinda feels like bullshit. I just don't like those kinda guns.
The damage dropoff on them is remarkable. Anyone with a Romero can wreck them. Once you get a little more practice and figure out how to not wind up so close in front of those guys, you'll see.
What do we think of Gloomwood? Personally I think it has massive potential. I haven't played it in over a year though because I want to play it when it's finished in its entirety.
Comes close to Thief. We'll see the full version. Until then they keep adding new mechanics. Maps seem pretty small though, last time I played before the market update.
i miss the silly guard interactions
>Gloomwood
Looks cool, need to try the demo before deciding if I'll buy or not
But I think people that go into this expecting Thief will be surely disappointed
The reason being is that, despite the clear Thief inspirations, the game doesn't strike as a pure stealth game - but rather an action-adventure game with a emphasis on stealth
Or better yet, the game seems like a mix of classic Resident Evil and Thief, structuraly leaning more into RE (you got heavy resource management, limited space inventories, puzzles, requires thourough level exploration to advance, item-based checkpoint saving, the game doesn't outright punish combat and even has weapons limited only by resource, etc.)
It's more similar to Deus Ex 1 than to Thief.
I do think that it will become more of a stealth game by playing on the hardest difficulty and really struggle for resources, forcing you to use distractions and sneaking around. I'm pretty good at hoarding though, so it's up to the game to create a good challenge for me. If I'm walking around armed like a special forces soldier with no penalty for killing then it's not going to feel very Thief-like
It's barely anything like thief, why do people keep comparing them?
Really liked the demo and looking forward to the full release in 2027, but it's not much like Thief.
Thief has audio that lets you identify enemies' positions, and also makes you think about what specific surface you're walking on and how fast. That level of detail isn't in any of those games you mentioned.
Played it before the goatman update, looks really promising, can't wait.
Shit enemy design that breaks the immersion and encourages gunplay lol? in a stealth game? last time I played I noticed the game is split between wanting to be a full on stealth game like thief or a survival horror like og RE, while I think the potential to realize it is there it's just not there yet and guns really break this game
Fricking shit in both being a Thief as well as an immersive sim.
>Thief thread on Ganker
based, I just finished the trilogy recently (don't plan on playing the reboot).
Post some good fan missions.
Play The Black Parade.
Check the /vr/ Thief threads.
Because at it's core it was a stealth exploration game.
Currrently you have the "immersive sims" (lmao) that have to contort themselves about all the verbal diarrhea people gave produced about that "genre" and part of it is player choice i.e. the option to play without stealth. But then, stealth just becomes achieving the same results at half the pace. They're exploration games if levels are good enough, but not stealth.
Dedicated stealth games on the other hand have way easier time designing streamlined, parallel-linear-paths type of levels. They're true stealth games but unlike Thief they're not exploration games.
>Because at it's core it was a stealth exploration game.
>exploration game.
This is an interesting point and not something i'd really considered, Thief has a LOT more exploration than most stealth games, in fact the stealth is mostly just a tool for navigating and exploring the sprawling levels, not the case in most stealth games.
Has there ever been a truly great stealth boss fight? MGS gays need not apply
The problem with that is that it's hard to motivate a design team to make a good boss fight for a stealth game because of that engagement being voluntary. Being detected is a failure state, and combat is the management of that failure state. When you have a failure state with some nice design to it, its basically nice design that is meant to go to waste. If you do a good job at defeating the boss, you've still only done a bad job at stealth. You've failed, and salvaged your failure.
not a stealth game, but the big tentacle monster from half-life 1
>throw grenade at the opposite end of the room
>you can now sprint through and the alien doesn't give a shit
I don't really want to give Arkham Batman games any credit as good stealth games, but the Mr Freeze boss fight is great. You have to ambush him in various ways with traps or takedowns, and for every method you use he disables that method for the future. It feels like you're fighting someone actually smart and tough.
How would you improve the formula?
I would add time manipulation mechanics
>fast forward so waiting for the guard to go away doesn't take long
>limited rewinds to replace quicksaves, this would also force you to improvise if you run out
I think the Black person question is how to deal with save scumming. It is usually most "efficient" to quicksave every 30 seconds after passing every guard, before entering new rooms etc. and it sucks
Higher difficulties have a limited amount of saves per mission
That is actually worse though. It's not like a platformer where you're testing a quick and intense sequence of player action. Most of it is observing and waiting, and after you've figured out how to fool the guards once it's incredibly tedious to repeat.
that's why I think the rewind idea could be good
>smoother than a raw quicksave, would feel less jarring after you frick up
>integrated into gameplay/story so you don't feel like you are "cheating"
>could have areas where time powers don't work for extra tension
>can maybe make rewinds recharge based one exploration percentage/loot requirements
>final mission can be taffing your past self in the tutorial to hand them the time manipulation artifact while avoiding a paradox
>integrated into gameplay/story so you don't feel like you are "cheating"
you're describing https://store.steampowered.com/app/2642850/Serpens_Eternal_Thievery/
>fast forward so waiting for the guard to go away doesn't take long
That's what I was thinking too, I was also thinking about
>if you save and then you have to lockpick 2 doors (or any interactions that take time and that you'll have to do again and again each time you reload your save) then at some point the door isn't locked anymore , but it would probably frick timings in patrols and some players would abuse it
prince of persia Twin thrones did this, had my fun back in the day, kinda want to replay it to see how it is now.
>thief thread exclaiming it's still the king of stealth
>malding moron start screeching about a near 30 year old game being junky
>too low iq to understand his screeching is proving the OP correct new stealth games are worse than that
nice
thx for this
any such recomendations list for The Dark Mod?
can only think of the Volta missions
>Dark Mod
No one cares
>those tiny player counts
pure stealth is very much a niche
Last year I read The Name of the Rose and there were around 3 FM's with a "giant library" setting released at the same time, weird.
Thanks
When I get through the entire trilogy there's a lot for me to frick around in here
Is TBP actually that good or are people just jerking off to it because finally some stealth?
you can literally go on thiefguild and look at all the mappers involved in the campaign
Yes.
It's better than Thief 2.
The Black Parade is good enough it could've been Thief 3 had it released back in the day.
Good list with some monocled picks like TSC, Catacombs of Knoss and Ascend the Dim Valley but a bit too focused on new shit. So weird to see a list without stuff like The Seven Sisters or Endless Rain.
Why do Pagans live in a park out in the open in Deadly Shadows and no one seems to give a shit?
Because Deadly Shadows is a moronic cramped Xbox game that makes The City look as small as a village, so anywhere there could be nuance for some sort of pagan hideout hidden in some massive public park there is instead like a 10m square before a loading screen so they just cram them in the open.
Is there a mod that tries to recreate deadly shadows?
NTA but I hope that someone remakes TDS in Thief 1/2 dark engine.
>2012+12
>people *still* get filtered by Dishonored offering replayability
You people are amazing
If they wanted people to replay the game, maybe make the gameplay fun? I mean just look at Dark Messiah
Sounds like a (You) issue
oh, you're just a moronic fomo chaser, my bad
>if they wanted people to replay X they should've done Y
>but people *are* replaying X more than Y, see
>AAAAAAAAAAAH FOMO
You do realize Dishonored came out more than a decade ago right, anyone that fears missing out is already too late. Oh wait you're not looking for an actual discussion just trying to see how many different anons can give (You)s to your bait
and you're aware dark messiah is even older, and came out before steam usage was widespread, right?
Only if you're aware of Steam coming out three years before Dark Messiah, and that "muh widespread" is a cope given Dark Messiah also targeted a PC userbase mainly. Even then, the difference between both games is only six years while the difference between Dishonored and today is more than double that. And you can also check player investment in other ways like online discussion, fanart, videos, fricking anything you want one wins over the other. It's almost like Dishonored is factually more replayed than Dark Messiah. It's almost like people think Dishonored's gameplay is fun.
As I said, either get an argument or enjoy the last (You)
Dishonored is deader than dead, enjoy your vampireslop
Thy words have struck like spears deep through bloodied darkened thoughts
These were a lot less intimidating after I learned i can just kill them with my sword
Just found two of them in the cathedral. Glad I threw everything I had left at them which was a mine and a fire arrow
Why would you ever willingly ally with the pagans?
At least the Hammers are actually fighting for humanity.
Why do people join cults in general?
Dryad trussy
>boobas
woodas??
Why would anyone join either side? The pagans oppose progress just because they don't want any change in the world, which is probably just grounded on the fact that in ancient times a demon demanded tribute and threatened the people with natural disasters if they didn't worship him. And the hammerites are self-cucks who build and create great things, but attribute all of their accomplishments on a god that they've invented out of thin air, and punish themselves for all of their failures because those can't psosibly be part of the Builder's plan so it must be man's fault.
>he thinks the Master Builder isn't real
ngmia
You literally manufacture blessings out of starlight and steel in Thief 1 despite being a heathen that violates the basic tenets of the Book of The Stone. Whatever the hammerites claim is divinity is just something about nature they don't fully understand. The same force that powers those collector towers that create electricity is the source of holy magic that tears apart undead. This is not some reddit fedora theory crafting. The lore of Thief was written by a bunch of Massachusetts liberal atheists. The in-game religions have secularly fleshed out backgrounds, probably on purpose to legitimize Garrett's nihilism in the face of a world that appears to not believe in anything real, and to justify his disbelief in the Trickster too. Ken Levine would not write a religion based on Catholicism that was literally true. That's Emil Pagliarulo's job. In TES4 Oblivion.
>legitimize Garrett's nihilism
i don't think you know what that word means
>a god that they've invented out of thin air,
Stopped reading there.
Heretical homosexual
You do realize that that's a monster that was permanently, physically killed by a bomb, right? The Trickster was scared off by the fact that humans managed to build stone houses and create iron weapons. That's probably the origin of the Builder. Ancient engineers who saved the people from the forest demon that subjugated them.
>magic and literal woods demons exist
>but the story about a supernatural good guy must be fake
Explain how holy water works.
That was just explained. Starlight gets focused into pools and that water is then blessed. That's why Garrett is capable of creating a holy symbol from scratch and that symbol actually works and can detach an undead soul from where it's stuck on the physical plane.
Don't ask me. Ask Constantine. If there's one thing that the world agrees upon it's that technology drove the Trickster into hiding. The reason he tries to use The Eye is that his rule over natural forces is insufficient in the face of mankind's technological prowess, and so he tried to harness the raw elements of reality by exploiting a power beyond his own in the form of the artifact.
>That was just explained. Starlight gets focused into pools and that water is then blessed.
No, that was one instance of them trying to create a substitute for holy water. Holy water itself is still just blessed water than can kill the undead. Try again, moron.
>The Trickster was scared off by the fact that humans managed to build stone houses and create iron weapons.
Even his followers use metal weapons and he lived in a mansion
Garrett cannot kill him either and he can do all kinds of magic shit, why would he be afraid of some houses and basic weapons?
Stealth in thief is way too easy and you have way too many safety nets.
Explain yourself.
I'd say SC surpassed it but I still prefer thief due to the setting and atmosphere
I love Thief 2 to death but I've always had trouble with the first game. For whatever reason, I always found myself easily alerting guards with my footsteps or just running into them when turning a corner, in 2 I almost always managed to find spots from which I could study patrols but in the first game I'm often just standing in a dark corner trying to listen to footsteps. I don't know if I'm just bad at the game or if there's something fundamentally different in level design across both games.
Sequel is just more finely tuned with a clear identity what what they wanted the game to be. Thief 1 was more trying things out.
they nerfed the basic guard's vision/hearing in 2
He did absolutely nothing wrong except being mildly autistic.
He got bullied and wanted revenge.
>mildly
he was incredibly autistic
destroying all biological life was a bit over the line
Just in the city, we couldve had robo Benny
It's very annoying that Squeenix didn't publish the original TDP alongside Gold.
Is there stealth in Hunt: Showdown?
Yes. The environments are lush with visual clutter and shadowy forests and interiors that encourage players to be stealthy. Once my squad was gunned down in a wheat field except for one of us, who stayed crouched in the hay until the enemy pair came to loot us, at which point he blew both away one by one with his sawed-off shotgun like a proper stealth game. My heart was pounding even watching it from the ground.
One day I will buy the trapezoid box just to own it.
Hitman WoA is arguably the mechanical peak of the stealth genre:
>enemies can actually hear suppressed weapons at close ranges, rather than them basically being made deaf by silencers
>mirrors and reflective surfaces actually play a role in stealth
>uses a witness system instead of a detection system, so you still get the bonus for no detections as long as everyone who saw you is dead.
>on higher difficulties, enemies react to footprints and bloodstains on your clothes
>the AI is as smart and aggressive as you can make them without it getting frustrating
>tons of ways to creatively frick with the AI and use their detailed scripting against them
>countless ways to complete every objective, to the point where you’re almost never actually forced to do anything
>disguises are balanced rather than being either useless or god-mode
>stealth feels more naturalistic rather than it devolving into a crouch-walking sim.
It also has literal 100s of hours of content, which is refreshing, since stealth games are usually short.
I've really been enjoying WoA and I think a "social stealth" game where you hide in plain sight instead of always staying in the shadows is cool, but I wouldn't call it the peak of stealth. There's still too much that relies on planned and laid out interactions, even if the game gives you so many options. More actual emergent gameplay and free movement would make it the best.
>on higher difficulties, enemies react to footprints and bloodstains on your clothes
what do you mean they react to footprint?
but yeah I agree, it's kino especially for autists who can play the same map for dozen of hours without feeling exhausted
>mirrors and reflective surfaces actually play a role in stealth
if a guard saw me on the roof by looking at a puddle I would be more mad than I would appreciate the "realism" im not sure thats a good idea, but i guess for big mirrors it makes sense
You invented a situation where you were being raped lioe a woman by men you are a Schizoid and a troony have a nice day
>literally anything in this world
>you: T-troony troony troony
Dude, if you're going to hate yourself and the world everytime you jerk off to troony porn. I recommend you stop.
>coping so hard you start gas lighting
I don't argue with holes or troonys don't reply to me again
its like mario64, created and perfected a genre in one game
No, because Thief is actually a good game instead of an okay game that had like 2 good mechanics.
Anyone play Thief Simulator 2? I really liked the first game and I bought the second but for some reason I haven't felt like starting it yet
Moments like this is what makes a game great.
That and the spoiled noble conversation are part of why that's one of my favorite Thief 2 levels. It also just has a lot of neat variety with all the houses to explore.
>the nobles were invited after all but someone messed up sending them the invitation
Don't forget this, it's the best.
%3D%3D
That's what I was talking about by "that". It is indeed a great scene.
>get chased by a guard
>throw an oil flask as I'm running down the stairs
>the guard starts slipping and falling down
>he actually break his neck on the stairs after a couple of tumbles and dies
Don't know if this was jank or intended, but it was kind of cool.
was he carrying a torch?
landing on their own torch can kill them
He didn't have one. From what I've read the oil flasks allow slipping/sliding AIs to interact with their environment in unpredictable ways, and can cause violent collisions that aren't always visible for how small the area of affect is or how fast it happens.
you can do this with the final boss while it's roaming the city, it's fricking hilarious
>want to get back into Thief
>halfway through the game and I don't remember the controls
Is there anything important I need to remember? Isn't the game kind of simple in terms of controls and gadgets?
This is from a post I saved years back.
>Here are some things the tutorial doesn't teach you:
>use your lean forward key
>you can lean against doors to hear what's behind it
>Water, Moss, Broadhead, Noismaker and rope arrows fly in an arch
>Fire and Gas Arrows fly straigt forward, the more you pull the bow the faster it will fly.
>Money will be gone between missions, so buy all that you can
>You can mantle by holding the jump button, you NEED this, a lot of people get stuck on the beginning of the second mission because you have to do it, but the tutorial only mentions by voice over.
>You can shoot rope arrows on everything that is wood.
>Having your Sword or Bow out will make you more visible, switch to your Blackjack
>And yeah if you want the full experience, play on expert
I'm at the cathedral on expert. I've seen a zombie so far and a lizard monster that I can't remember if I've dealth with before. The thing that I'm unsure of is what it means when I press R and T to cycle through two different lockpicks.
I decided to try and fight a zombie to test my combat and I'm not hitting it and dying repeatedly. God damn, I need to play the tutorial again or something, I'm so confused
Well you sound like you remember absolutely nothing. It's best to just start all over again.
I replayed the tutorial and it makes sense now except for the fact that my sword doesn't hit the zombie when I go back to the cathedral level. It's called Constantine's sword and won't connect whether I try to hold down the attack or walk right up to it and slash multiple times
Did you install any mods? All you really need is TFix Lite.
Well shit, apparently there's a bug with that sword and texture packs causing it to not work. Now I need to figure out what mods I have and try to fix it I guess. Why do you use TFix Lite instead of regular Tfix btw?
Regular TFix changes a lot of things in vanilla(textures, putting out candles etc.). AI is the main issue as it's taken from Thief 2 and causes different behavior.
TFix Lite has none of that. It's just a patch with NewDark to make Thief Gold run on modern hardware and it's recommended that you get that over regular TFix.
If it's your first time playing Thief Gold you should get TFix Lite.
There's a guide in the community hub that describes how to enable EAX if you haven't done that already.
The only mod I'd recommend installing is Carry Body Mod which shows appropriate model of carried bodies, but that's it.
The main issue is that it uses the Thief 2 ai which is for some reason a bit dumber/not as reactive to sound
>>You can mantle by holding the jump button, you NEED this, a lot of people get stuck on the beginning of the second mission because you have to do it, but the tutorial only mentions by voice over.
What? I remember the tutorial having a part where you have to mantle. Or at least where I mantled, maybe it's possible to just jump over it or something and I missed that.
I just replayed the tutorial, it clearly teaches how to mantle and forces you to do it
>You can shoot rope arrows on everything that is wood.
It's more that you can shoot rope arrows on any surface that's soft enough to not have an arrow bounce off of it like banners, bookcases, etc. Another useful tip to keep in mind is to use broadhead arrows to test whether or not arrows will stick to a surface. It gives them an extra use that's useful in Expert since it prevents you from killing human enemies.
Someone remake TDS un the dark engine and just randomly drop here.
Since we don't have Thief games anymore, post Thiefcore books
Cugel the Clever, although Dying Earth as a whole counts
Most of the Lankhmar books
Some of the Conan books
Conan stories are more like Thief and less like the movie, every story is pretty much about Conan being robbed, running away naked having lost everything, hearing about some loot, infiltrating the place, killing some fantastic beast, and getting rich with some mad loot, except when the loot is cursed.
I decided I wanted a book about thieves and picked this one up. I put it down about 85% through when I realized it was gonna be an edgy revenge story. I was really enjoying up until that point. I did some digging without spoiling myself too much if the whole series would follow this new turn of events and people said yes
It's out.
I HAVE
SEEN
I DO NOT KNOW
what's the difference between thief gold and deadly shadows
>still the king of stealth
Apologize.
How is Dishonored a stealth game? Lol, lmao even, roflmao mayhaps.
Thief wasn't even the king of stealth in 1998
I'm at 1850 gold in the cathedral, just running around looking for money. Can't say I like this map at all
I finally fricking did it. I don't remember every struggling that much finding the loot in previous maps, but what I've liked about Thief is that the loot is always in a place that makes sense. When the map is just rubble then the loot placement is complete nonsense. And when I did find secret rooms they only had arrows or a note. Damn I'm glad to be done with that mission. Next is Mage Tower, but I'll play that later in the week
First time playing Thief (got it on Steam a few years ago), do you recommend I play the Gold ver. first or "downgrade" it to The Dark Project ver.? Tfix lite instead of the usual Tfix? Or just go with OldDark for a more Vanilla experience?
Just stick with Gold. It's worth for the two missions out of three new ones it adds.
TFix Lite.
Enable EAX.
Is there an EAX guide?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2292412423
Is EAX for speakers specifically or headphones as well?
Seconding Gold + TFix-Lite
Honestly skip the thieves guild if you're going with gold, it's totally misplaced for a first time playthrough
Black parade is so fricking good