>40k fans constantly whine about how shit every new version is
>They keep playing it anyway
What gives? If DnD fans can tell WotC to frick off, 40kgays could probably start an OSR or write a half-decent system that fixes the game if they tried.
>40k fans constantly whine about how shit every new version is. >They keep playing it anyway
>They keep playing it anyway
You realize that only 5% of the hobby is actually playing the fricking game. As for why a OSR system doesnt exist its because they are moronic gays who dont actually want to think of anything. They just want to consume the slop James Worshit gives them. The game itself is so bad an unfun, was from the start more or less. It takes hours its rules heavy. So many dumb rules you cant play from them.
There's one-page rules, that's kind of a thing. But it's also that GW is way more litigation happy, WotC was kind enough to have the open-gaming license back when they did. And it fricked them hard for a time.
>GW is way more litigation happy
I've never heard of GW being litigious regarding rules. And Net Epic has existed since the 90s. Meanwhile the OGL is itself an implicit threat: "Use this or we will sue".
>40kgays could probably start an OSR or write a half-decent system that fixes the game if they tried.
>As for why a OSR system doesnt exist its because they are moronic gays who dont actually want to think of anything.
no one tell them
>kroot
Not even a real army.
>an OSR system doesn't exist
anon what are you talking about. OSR is a totally community-driven thing. there's some publishers that write to it, but they're just serving a market that already existed. the 40k equivalent would be any of the alternative rulesets that let you use your 40k models and tries to capture the "feel" of various editions. there are an absolute frickton of those.
most 40kids are cattle who don't know a game exists unless it's force fed to them by the youtube algorithm
its because the people who always b***h that some older edition was better dont play and that theres no good ol days they never existed every edition had people b***hing
>>They keep playing it anyway
Bold assumption
>40kgays could probably start an OSR or write a half-decent system that fixes the game if they tried.
They could just use any edition before 8th. The problem is this
>use lets say 7th
Early 7th is good but late 7th is a mess. Do you set and arbitrary cutoff denying some armies certain units and codicies or do you accept an inferior system?
>do either it doesnt matter
Now you need to convince every single person you play with that this is what they should agree to, and if you fail they wont play with you because at least one of you will have an illegal or unbalanced army, defeating the point of creating a splinter edition. Not to mention fundamental rules changes between them
>somehow do that
Now you have one splinter group playing one splinter system which you cant take to any events you dont personally host and you cant share in any of the knowlege of the broader community because you're playing a fundamentally different game
Homebrew works for rpgs because fundamentally its ONE game at ONE table. Changing the rules up for one game doesnt matter. 40k is thousands of games at thousands of tables. You need to standardize that rules change and doing so removes all the greatest strengths of 40k as a system (rules are actually concrete and consistent and theres a large community all playing the same game you are)
Not to say it cant be done because it has been done, its just pretty much failed every single time because its a bad idea
>one splinter group playing one splinter system which you cant take to any events
And why the frick would to go to events instead of playing with your friends?
This. You can’t use your homebrewed 4e rules at a convention 5e table, doesn’t mean 4e gays don’t play 4e. Hell even wargames have an example with Epic Armageddon.
I would have recommended OnePageRules if it wasn't almost as overshrimplified than 10th
*as 10th
Sunk cost. A person switching from d&d is, on average, less than a hundred dollars into the hobby. A person switching from gw is in the hundreds at least.
>They keep playing it anyway
Not here, and know plenty of others that don't either. I stopped halfway through 8th, now play 3rd and 4th.
>40kgays could probably start an OSR or write a half-decent system that fixes the game if they tried
You're talking about OnePage40k, which later changed its name to OnePageRules and is undergoing a wave of interest and playerbase increase right now.
To both points though, nothing will ever sway the consoomers who just want to purchase latest product, there will always be a bunch of those.
OPR is alright but it's far too stripped down tbh. It's a good start to making 40k fun again but it needs flavor.
Renegade Scout, modern retro clone of Rogue trader made by a person whom played way more wargame systems then any of us in this thread.
40k fans are not the same person moron, it's successive waves of players, each latching on to, getting invested and spending money and time on the edition they discover, then getting dissolusioned when their favourite version is replaced or invalidated by the next edition that GW sells to the next wave.
This.
It's entire strategy of GW to lure in new buyers and feed them as much slop as they can before they realise what's going on.
Pretty much this.
Although I would like to add that the miniatures themselves are enough to retain people, because despite GW being just about as scummy as a company can get, at the end of the day they're a retailer that sells some of the best miniatures in the world.
It doesn't make you a "blind consoomer" to appreciate that simple fact. I don't buy their books. I don't buy their media. I do buy their miniatures because I like how they look, and if I want to play games with anyone, I can and will use free or 3rd party content to do so.
Would.
I was going to post an explanation, but I see it's already here.
I don't play anymore, I stopped in 8th, waited during 9th, gave up with 10th.
I still browse /tg/ threads because I'm addicted to Ganker, and I've noticed anons asking questions that seem weird to me.
A couple days ago there was an anon like
>what are people talking about when they say Necrons used to be terminator and then they got turned into Egyptians?
I was about to explain the 2nd edition models always had egyptian influences, but realised this frickin zoomer was talking about the 5th edition update.
I don't know what you're on about. It used to be Necrons were just Terminator robots made to kill and seduce Mark Antony, but 5th was when their entire faction turned around and Necrons had a whole society built around Mark Antony's rugged abs. Now they conquer the whole galaxy in the hope of reestablishing an empire which properly lets Mark Antony do anal on his birthday.
I think right now the lore is building up to the Necrons realizing they can strengthen their empire by having sex with Guilliman, since he's Rome themed.
Yes, there's similarities, but before they were killing for Mark Antony, and now they're writing beautiful poetry about him. And also killing a lot, too.
>I was about to explain the 2nd edition models always had egyptian influences
Chaos androids before that didn't, so (proto-)necroids indeed were terminators and later given egyptian theme.
The Space Crusade chaos androids were just space terminators but is right and the first necrons had Egyptian influence. You can see the ankh like symbol on the chest of the warrior model in WD 217 when the necrons first appeared, and a month later the lord's outfit and staff of light in WD 218 are Egyptian inspired. Then there's that one of the first two necron units were scarabs. Necrons had just one Chapter Approved I think and the tomb lords theme wasn't super in your face until their first codex in 3rd but it had always been there.
Legit most whinners don't play the game, or are as moronic as DnD gays that will not move to other systems. Ones that like 40k setting, but not edition can be broken in to play either edition they like, or off shoot game they actually enjoy.
Because they want to play in tourneys. You cannot keep playing a past edition, bring your army to a competition in a LGS and expect people to have compatible armies if they keep playing the latest edition.
RPGs, since they are cooperative instead of competitive, suffer way less from that.
You can...you just need to like, talk to people about wanting to play that. It's a tad easier to do then RPG stuff, since you can just...talk with like one other person.
>40k players
>having any kind of social skills whatsoever
lel
Let's face it, 40k is a social game, it's just certain "competitive" gays are a bit shitheads about it.
Because 40K is part of their identity. Not painting minis, not wargaming… 40k.
I complain about editions being shit while using homerules. I'm confused and unable to grasp why people would play moronic official rules instead of making their own; it's just text, it's not hard to write down rules & iterate on them.
I got tired of the new editions, meta creep , and axing of my favorite guard units. So did my friends. We now play RT, 2e and occasionally 3e when I want to get my Eye of Terror on. But more than all that, we took our minis and shifted over to Fistful of Lead Galactic Adventures.
40k gives them spess muhreens(tm) to consoom
DnD doesn't have anything one of its many clones can't offer, especially when the action happens in your head.
I just play 3rd edition. I think you're projecting.
>2023
>Playing games where the lore advances
Imagine playing France after the Italian Wars. Europe went off the rails with the War of the Three Henries.
>They keep playing it anyway
I quit playing 40k.
Still sometimes buy a model that interests me, but I'm more or less just done with it.
Last few times I got talked into playing 40k I just moved my dudes around and rolled dice without giving a shit about the result.
Found other games I liked that had better rules.
Nobody plays them.
Manage to get the odd Battletech game once in a blue moon, but that's.
I don't even fricking care anymore.
Literally all I want is a cleaned up 4th edition with alternation activation. Nice and simple, lots of options, plenty of madness on the board with instant kills and scatter and damage charts.
OPR is not that game. There's nothing random or unique left. I want madness rolls and vehicles exploding.