>$450 box that uses hardware emulation instead of software emulation
What would be cool:
Focus on making cores that software emulation isn't good at (saturn, ps2, n64, xbox)
What would be fricking dumb:
Focus on developing cores for atari level shit that i can emulate on a fricking graphing calculator
And guess what direction they went? This is the cringiest hipster shit in the retro scene. For $450 you can build a fricking PC that will play 90% of PS2, 99.99% of gamecube, PSP at 4K with AA, dreamcast, etc...
>muh accuracy
This is some wine testing bullshit. I'll bet if we did a double blind study on you "muh accuracy" hipsters, wed find that you're full of shit and you can't tell them apart, especially when it comes to shit like NES and GBA. There were studies that proved this for expensive wine, "audiophile" gear, stratovarius violins, etc... You're the gaming version of those pretentious frauds.
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>Focus on making cores that software emulation isn't good at (saturn, ps2, n64, xbox)
There's not a such thing as focus because it's open-source with different people working on different things at the same time. The Saturn core is in development right now and the other consoles you mentioned are beyond the hardware capabilities of the Mister so it'd be a massive waste of time to work on those.
There could be a time when the Mister can move to better hardware that's capable of 6th gen, but its going to be a long time because of the price those boards will cost.
Someone should just do a hybrid deal. Have the programmable chip next to a typical desktop cpu, use software emulation for all the shit that software emulation tackles well, then just throw shit to programmable chip when needed, like for the emotion engine or saturns dumb 2D dedicated processor
That's basically FPGAs as Accelerators. GPUs are also this. If they get really cheap, it might not be unreasonable to expect to start to see support for FPGAs as generic Accelerators in consumer goods.
I mean with all the money to be made from emulation hardware youd think someone would do it. If someone put out a box that could play saturn PS2 and n64, that mother fricker would sell like crazy. The PC components you would need to run those 3, if you had the programmable chip, wouldn't cost jack shit. Hell you could probably go with more of a phone setup. There's $45 android shit boxes that emulate ps1 and psp. If they've got the technical snuff to combine the FPGA with software emulation, they could sell it at the same price as a mister.
I have no idea. You're mixing the actual FPGA hardware and the cores as well. Cores probably can't be sold for anything as people just expect them to be open-source and free these days. Hardware traditionally has pretty slim margins, but I don't know what they would be for here. Though, that margin is on the FPGA manufacturers more.
So, the possible money is from combining the two into some convenient package, maybe a handheld, and selling that. I have no idea what the margin would be on that, or the scale. If you think it's a good business idea you might look into it though. Entrepreneurship is cool
This guy gave the general comment I was going to give about the section he quoted. So, gonna give a comment on:
>This is some wine testing bullshit. I'll bet if we did a double blind study on you "muh accuracy" hipsters, wed find that you're full of shit and you can't tell them apart, especially when it comes to shit like NES and GBA. There were studies that proved this for expensive wine, "audiophile" gear, stratovarius violins, etc... You're the gaming version of those pretentious frauds.
I agree with this, except insofar as there are actually fun hobbyists in the MiSTer stuff. The hyper accuracy and fricking around with a specific set of technologies that make up FPGAs are the fun in of itself. Talking in the MiSTer threads there's quite a few folks who probably wouldn't even deny it that hard.
This is true of CRTs as well. There's a lot of folks who are doing it because it's a trendy, status-symbol thing to do these days. There's also hobbyists who like messing around with very specific hardware.
So, don't worry about it OP. There's always going to be these status-symbol seeking people. At some point they will wander off. Don't let your anger and your obvious urge to feel better than others let you become one of them. Find what's fun to you, and go do that, seeking other people who enjoy it too.
Good luck, OP.
I thought the Saturn was hard to emulate. Why it can be done, but the N64 can't?
Is hard to software emulated. Using hardware emulation would be the logical thing to do, same with 64 (though that's less relevant by the day) and PS2.
My understanding is that the N64 is less complicated than the Saturn, but has higher specs. So whilst the Saturn is just difficult to emulate, the N64 is impossible on the current hardware.
N64 has more transistors and switches them faster. The FPGA can't keep up.
>And guess what direction they went?
Focus on eyecandy and trading accuracy for working better on cheap LCDs
>There's not a such thing as focus because it's open-source with different people working on different things at the same time.
Confirmed tard who's never worked on a project, oss or otherwise.
>Confirmed tard who's never worked on a project, oss or otherwise.
Yeah a small handful of people might agree to work on the same thing, but OP's talking as if there's one guy called Mr. FPGA who's deciding what everyone works on. Different people will want to work on different things and there's nothing stopping them doing so.
>OP's talking as if there's one guy called Mr. FPGA who's deciding what everyone works on
Nah. You're just imagining things.
>Different people will want to work on different things and there's nothing stopping them doing so.
But there is. When one group of people decides to focus on making the project child-friendly at the expense of accuracy it means that those people who want to focus on accuracy can no longer contribute to the project in the way they want. This is exactly what happened.
inb4 b-b-but just fork it and do all the work yourself and give it away for free
How are contributors who want to improve accuracy excluded? From what I understand the inaccuracies in cores are a matter of getting cores bootstrapped quickly rather than a fundamental anti-accuracy design.
>How are contributors who want to improve accuracy excluded?
The way I already said, twice. If you want further details you should read what contributors who gave up on mister wrote about it.
>From what I understand the inaccuracies in cores are a matter of getting cores bootstrapped quickly
Well there's yer problem. There are many reasons why cores are inaccurate. "getting cores bootstrapped quickly" is an excuse not a reason.
>read what contributors who gave up on mister wrote about it
Like who? You make it sound like contributors are leaving in droves, but I can't find a single example of someone leaving due to the direction of the project...
lolwut. You call yourself a mistergay and you don't even know who the single most despised hardware emulation dev mister bogeyman is?
>You make it sound like contributors are leaving in droves
Nah. You're just imagining things. Again. There are far more """contributors""" now than there were back when mister was about accuracy instead of providing emugays a sunk cost coping mechanism. An infinite number of monkeys coding for an infinite number of years will eventually produce an accurate core. But a few dozen people making every effort to produce an inaccurate core so that it's compatible with cheap shitty LCDs never will.
>Nah. You're just imagining things. Again. There are far more """contributors""" now than there were back when mister was about accuracy instead of providing emugays a sunk cost coping mechanism. An infinite number of monkeys coding for an infinite number of years will eventually produce an accurate core. But a few dozen people making every effort to produce an inaccurate core so that it's compatible with cheap shitty LCDs never will.
I'm out of the loop. What happened? I thought the Mister stuff was supposed to be about accuracy. Are they only being lax to the cores that can't be accurately created?
You're not out of the loop. You were just never in it. This is old news. Ancient even from your perspective.
It's not about being lax. It's about being intentionally inaccurate to cater to children who want to play games on shit screens, and other such shit. I applaud your skepticism, but at this point you're just coming off as an ignorant contrarian.
>You're not out of the loop. You were just never in it.
Guilty.
>If you want further details you should read what contributors who gave up on mister wrote about it.
>Like who?
>Nobody lol you're just imagining things
So this is what it's like to talk to a schizo.
>other consoles you mentioned are beyond the hardware capabilities of the Mister
Didn't I hear that they are considering a hardware revision that will open these sorts of systems up to being worked on?
There is no "they". Mister FPGA is a project to implement and migrate FPGA cores to a reasonably affordable FPGA board the DE-10 Nano. There are other FPGA boards which cost more or less, and cores can be migrated to them. Mister isn't a turnkey consoomer product being sold by some commercial entity as a retrogaming platform.
What do you not understand about niche products sold with fake promises at high prices to a small group of consumers who want to waste money on them?
I really wish people would actually think before posting this drivel
this but unironically
the "muh accuracy" bullshit has always been bullshit, the differences are so fricking tiny that you can't notice them unless they are specifically pointed out and slowed down / freeze framed.
If it's not your thing, and it's driving hyper-accuracy to the original hardware, why are you getting so mad?
>$450-
I am always happy to see Super Mega.
Mister gays are such absolute fricking nimrods
back to scalping larpie
cry more poorgay
>i waste my money on dumb shit that means i'm rich right
other way around projector
>no u!
I accept your concession, poorgay. Also, the MiSTer is a fantastic investment. It's by far the best way to play PS1/Saturn and earlier games. And even if you deide you don't want it, you can easily and quickly sell it for a nice little profit on eBay. cope, seethe and dilate
>It's by far the best way
it will always be at least second best, but you do you
Just because something is listed for sale at a price doesn't mean people are actually buying it. If you look at the completed ebay listings, they generally get bought for lower than that. You're barely making a profit, especially if you're the one paying shipping like in the first entry.
Fits the Mister pretty well, actually. Hope that superior emulation is developed for it. If that doesn't work out, then hope that you can scam someone.
The image I posted is completed eBay sales. Do you see the numbers in green? Those are what the MiSTers sold for.
>It's by far the best way to play PS1/Saturn
the best way to play those is the ps1 PS2 or the saturn
Nah, emulation is way better for ps1. Cranked up resolution and AA, fast forward toggle, no load times, etc...
>It's by far the best way to play PS1/Saturn
What kind of false flagging is that? We are not even close to having complete Saturn support on MiSTer, thanks to some unimportant local political bullshit.
These prices are disgusting considering I bought my fully built MiSTer for 290 euros including postage two years ago. Are DE-10s still rocking horse shit at the moment or something? I thought that not too long ago you could get a pretty quick turnaround buying direct from Terasic.
Direct from Terasic is 220 dollars plus shipping now.
crikey
To be fair they are still selling it at a loss.
That seems unlikely given that its just as easy to buy a pre-modded console on eBay as it is to buy an un-modded one.
100% true, I was interested in this until I saw it only emulated shit that's already close to perfect with software emulation. I don't understand why they wouldn't focus on emulating systems that software emulation has been broken on for 10+ years.
The entire point of this device is to have a complete replication of the original hardware, the most important thing it does is hit the input lag. It is quite literally a clone of many of these devices and indistinguishable from them. If it has cycle accuracy it is a perfect clone, down to original glitches and all.
There is NO SUCH THING as not being good on software emulation but FPGA emulation is wonderful at. The input lag is the main bottleneck in software emulation. You will never, ever, ever, ever get fifth gen to work as a replica on a FPGA. Cycle accuracy on fifth gen consoles remains for the main part elusive. Extremely powerful PCs and graphics cards can sort of do it, but just forget it. If you want to play Saturn, PS2, N64 games get a Saturn, PS2 and N64. They're not that expensive, you can pirate games if you must. I wanna say you're a moron if you try to play those on a FPGA or emulation but frankly I can see a limited low number of cases that does not include you where it might make sense, for space or time requirements.
>This is some wine testing bullshit. I'll bet if we did a double blind study on you "muh accuracy" hipsters, wed find that you're full of shit and you can't tell them apart, especially when it comes to shit like NES and GBA. There were studies that proved this for expensive wine, "audiophile" gear, stratovarius violins, etc... You're the gaming version of those pretentious frauds.
This seems to have come out from nowhere. If you feel that way then just go and play everything on a software emulator. You seem angry and eager to get that out there about "pretentious frauds" but if you can't perform something at a particular part of the game or it feels off and it's down to inaccurate software emulation, that's pretty shitty isn't it, even if you can't specifically identify it straightaway. You have already demonstrated you are very ignorant about the subject and no idea what you're talking about yourself.
>There is NO SUCH THING as not being good on software emulation but FPGA emulation is wonderful at. The input lag is the main bottleneck in software emulation.
Yes there is you frick. Yes hardware emulation will always be "better" but for 3rd and 4th gen consoles that already have software emulation down so well that the input lag is under 1 frame and even slowdowns are replicated, the improvements are not going to be noticeable by almost anyone unless you're specifically testing for it. Meanwhile the consoles that aren't emulated well with software still have unplayable games, graphical inaccuracies, stutters, way more input lag etc etc.
>If you want to play Saturn, PS2, N64 games get a Saturn, PS2 and N64.
Isn't accurate preservation the entire point of the MiSTER project? I do have a PS2 and N64 for this exact reason but these consoles won't be around forever and its inconvenient for anyone who's not a /vr/head to own most retro systems. If you're saying MiSTER can only preserve the games that are already fairly well preserved by software emulation, what the frick is the point especially at the astronomical price tag?
I'm sorry, but it's just not worth my money, and I DO have issues with software emulation, just only the software emulation that's actually noticeably bad, not "ohhhhhh the 2ms input lag ooohhhh i can't stand the 2ms input lag".
Its not under 1 frame on software emulation kek. Especially not if you're using windows. Let's not even talk about audio delay
Everything 8 and 16 bit, as well as ps1, ds, and psp, absolutely fricking are. Retroarch even further reduces latency
Prove it.
no
>not worth my money
You don't have any money.
>a complete replication of the original hardware,
>It is quite literally a clone of many of these devices and indistinguishable from them.
LMAO if you believe this.
>she doesn't know about tools like mdfourier to test accuracy
>she doesn't know mister is the only way to get 1:1 accurate sound on NES, genesis, and SNES
>mistergays are audiophiles
can't make this shit up
>wanting accurate sounding audio = buying sound beads
What a fricking monkey you are.
Check the mdfourier results. NES expansion audio is fricking pathetic on software emulators especially.
Where can I find these tests?
This is not true though
Anyone who's online personality is that of an audiophile never knows wtf they are talkinh about and spread bullshit.
>it does know mister is emulation
>it constantly seethes and copes over this
>Focus on making cores that software emulation isn't good at (saturn, ps2, n64, xbox)
Easier said than done, moron. You're more than welcome to spend the time contributing to those cores yourself though sweetie 🙂
it's for cringies
Some people in this thread seem awfully attached to the idea of everyone only playing games on the piece of hardware they happen to own.
mister is the best solution I've personally seen for getting non-original hardware up and running on a PVM. I can't personally tell the difference vs real hardware, where as mu old setup with an old AMD card using CRT emu drivers to get retroarch running on my PVM wasn't nearly as smooth, easy ot use or as responsive
I don't know about using the mister on modern TV's, but for CRT use I'd go mister over any other option
op is implying that shit emulators would suddenly be better after being ported to fpga, is this true? Would the hardware be enough to brute force past the software flaws?
I don't think so dude. The way cores are 'built' is completely ass backwards to how a traditional emulator is programmed.
>Focus on developing cores for atari level shit that i can emulate on a fricking graphing calculator
those came first cuz they're low-hanging fruit.
>n64
How fricking moronic must a man be to want accurate emulation of the N64?
If only software emulators could grant me my dreams of blurry visuals and awful framerates then I could finally relive my childhood memories without spending 50 bucks on the original hardware...
I hope software emulation will make your dreams come true. Those 50 bucks will never be spent. I'm with you!
N64 games were designed around the blurry visuals and look like complete dogshit once theyre upscaled to HD. The framerate was not great though I will agree.
emulators that strive for accuracy have the most enhancement features
you deserve to play PJ64 1.6 forever you fricking dunce
But you'll never have the zero input lag as I do.
Retroarch has negative input lag via prediction
Explain
Explain what?
PC can't render natively to CRT, also too noisy and wheezy. Also I have both, poorgay.
so it's irrelevant unless you're a cultist? checks out
>you can only have one
You are coping.
>PC can't render natively to CRT
you can use a cable with no issue? plenty of CRT + PC set ups get posted in the crt thread
Didn't this used to be $200?
DE10-Nano is currently $215. To play all cores all you need is the RAM expansion and a cheap OTG hub.
>You're the gaming version of those frauds
Nice try emulation boy but no one who actually plays these games will ever buy into your bastardised emulation as being the real deal.
sup ebay scalper
people are waking up to your lies
Explain why proper gaming meet ups are held on authentic hardware if your emulation is just as good?
idk gay.
Explain
Only smelly furrgays and troons would go to a retro meetup with randos.
I play games with friends and family, and not only do I emulate retro, all of my modern games are purated. I don't own a single physical game anymore.
Sounds like casual scrub talk.
>proper
I like that weasel word so you can dismiss any counter-examples someone sends you. /vr/ fighting game communities are slowly inching away from CRT + original hardware because of it getting increasingly impractical + the influence of online play on those communities. Official sponsored events are even largely played on LCD monitors, at least for SNK games.
On that note, the MiSTer isn't for me but it does look pretty convenient for doing multiplayer parties, especially on a CRT. My friends are all casuals and are fine with the PS4 + LCD setup, though, so shrug.
>official sponsored events
Team spooky recently held a KOF tournament on an original arcade cabinet. I'm glad you at least admitting emulation only being acceptable for casuals who don't know any better.
a proper gaming meet up consists of people successfully playing games. even if it was exclusively MiSTer setups, nothing would impede people playing a game.
Except everyone going nuts asking why it's not being played on original hardware. See Super Turbo at evo 2k5 where most players claimed the results didn't even count.
The FGC is using MiSTer alongside real boards for in-person tourneys gay
The FGC are a bunch of poorgays who can't even afford real hardware. I kek them crawling around begging for a sponsor.
>MiSTer is a bad investment
Any of you looked at the cost of a NeoGeo recently?
I'm considering selling my Neo Geo AES as the MiSTer is superior in every way.
>you
Every MiSter core is cycle accurate by default. How many cycle accurate software emulators ate there?
For all the consoles where cycle accuracy actually makes a difference, a lot.
Say that to the speedrunning community.
NO! Say that to ME! I dare him! I'll defend Mister with my life.
There are no cycle accurate emulators.
Twelve.
It's more accurate to say that Mister cores are latency accurate, which emulators are not and could never be.
>latency accurate
Nice term you shat out of your ass. They are cycle accurate, but most are not transistor accurate.
Latency accurate is the correct term. The FPGA implementation can electrically interface to the display and controllers exactly like the original hardware can, no software emulator does.
Software emulation does control exactly the same. And when games are only performing calculations at 60fps, but we have processors that are doing calculations in 5 nano seconds (that's the real number), any minor inefficiency within that window has no effect on gameplay.
Simon will jump on the same frame, and he will move the same exact number of pixels.
>pull term out of ass
>move goal post
>project and cope
Just embarrassing
>get instructed
>start crying about it
Are you implying that latency was invented in this discussion and has never been used in context of Mister FPGA ever?
Are you implying you pulled "latency" of you your ass instead of "latency accurate"?
>implying implications
>coping cope
"latency accurate" does not exist.
Another fine thread full of my sons playing nicely together.
recreate this pose
if you're so great
No, they will not. NES, SNES and GB/C emulators are allowed, the rest either isn't or have their own categories.
MiSTer cores are universally accepted.
It's a mix of cognitive issues. These people have setups they spent a lot torwards pursuing the most optimal setup for their perceived "best" experience already and don't want to admit something new is better in any conceivable way, shape or form, because they feel it'd invalidate their choices when, in reality, nobody gives a frick.
>These people have setups they spent a lot torwards pursuing the most optimal setup for their perceived "best" experience already and don't want to admit something new is better in any conceivable way
oh ironing
Yeah, it goes both ways, but the MiSTer is newer so there's a lot more people out there with other setups.
Rational human beings know there's pros and cons to any setup and best is subjetive, but what's that fun in that.
I emulate on a pc that i also use for other shit. There's no sunk costs for me to justify.
So, yeah, it depends on your level of shitposting and defensiveness. Maybe you feel like "Hey the MiSTer looks cool but I can't justify the cost. My methods are perfect for me already so I don't care." like a normal human being.
It doesn't even look cool.
It would be cool if it could do something *meaningful* that a $450 pc couldn't do
you sound like a poorgay
are you ok anon?
Bitch, just for your post, I took a $20 outta my wallet and ripped it in half, for no reason. Am I still poor?
Even poorer.
Tomorrow I'll go to the ATM to rip one grand. That's just how my life is, too much money, too little space. Gotta cut the bank some slack.
Friend to someone with money, wasting money is not impressive.
Exactly why nobody is impressed by mister owners
>Am I still poor?
Probably. You're definitely a seething moron regardless lmao
Better input latency and native controllers like light guns.
That's meaningful to some people. Not to me but at least it's something.
For me it's latency and ease of use. I can just turn it on, boot a game and have it play exactly as it should by default, and all this takes 5 seconds tops.
What I still miss from software emulation:
> No support for 4k resolutions
> Retroarch shaders blow it ouf of the water
> Bluetooth controller latency is not good on MiSTer, non-existent on PC
You can use any controller you want on software emulation you tard, you don't need that to use a crt.
The input latency is debunked. The game only accepts inputs on the frame, and the games only run at 60fps. Software emulation calculates as fast as 5 nanoseconds. If you had latency, you're just fricking dumb. You were using a shitty old device, wrong emulator, or some other kind of dumb user error.
FPGA will be identical latency, the PC emulator may be low latency but I seriously doubt you could prove deterministic accuracy.
Again, the games are bottlenecked at 60fps. It's like talking about a car being faster but you go the sites limit.
Less than 1 frame is less than 1 frame. There's no difference to the game after that point.
It's not about how fast something is, it's about the FPGA reproduction having identical latency as the original hardware. Software emulation cannot deterministically produce this same result, where FPGA can electrically interface with display and input identically to the original hardware.
> Software emulation cannot deterministically produce this same result, where FPGA can electrically interface with display and input identically to the original hardware.
Outside of corner cases like light guns, how much does this actually matter? I don't think one frame of latency would affect playability for other games.
???
Timing and sync mostly. You see a console is made of chips communicating in parallel. These old games run on the bare metal, so the timing of each instruction in each clock cycle is important for their execution. Emulators cannot replicate this unless they're cycle accurate. It's why most emulators are not accepted for speedrunning, games will run too fast, too slow, physics will be different, etc. It's not enough for you to notice during gameplay, but it's there.
On FPGA you can just implement the chips and have them run in parallel just like the real thing, so they have cycle accuracy as a standard.
I know about how FPGAs operate and how it differs from emulators, cycle-accurate or not.
I'm asking whether this specific aspect - being synchronized directly with inputs and outputs - makes much of a difference for gameplay. Most emulators I've used feel just fine in terms of latency, is it really a big difference?
It gives you zero latency when compared to original hardware, since you have the same behavior. But honestly, software emulation, specially with Retroarch, has become so good nowadays that the differences are minimal, so it comes down to how much you care about them.
An emulator won't be determinisitically latency accurate even if it's cycle accurate.
That's not what I'm asking.
You don't know what you're asking, so I'm telling.
Evasiveness like this is why people treat FPGAs like snake oil.
Again you seem to misunderstand, if you don't know why FPGA is good then you aren't welcome in the FPGA community. FPGA is about preservation and reproduction of historic systems, and bingbingwahoo consoomers are the opposite of that. They contribute nothing except endless entitled questions. So take the hint, stick to your RPI I'm sure it's good enough for you.
I agree, and it's a good thing they're expensive. I don't want dumb indians and other third worlders shitting up my FPGA threads and forums.
I can always pay up some indians to flood your forum, whether they even know what a MiSTer is or not. It's cheap and I get my kicks seeing you all seethe.
It's one of those situations where you really gotta try one and decide for yourself if the difference matters to you. I'm not sayi Some people are much more sensitive to input delay or desyncs than other people. Suppose you're someone who's played GAME X for years using an emulator and have never noticed (or put any importance on) input delay or obscure glitches because you have subconsciously adapted to the jank of the emulated GAME. Now, when you sit down with GAME X on the MiSTer, the most immediate difference you will feel is how responsive it is. Unless you've been using real hardware recently, most people who have almost exclusively been using software emulators will immediately notice their performance gains if it's a game they are decent at. It's understandable that people really needs this one aspect justified by current MiSTer owners, nobody wants to invests in what is probably marginal benefits. So if you can't afford one or have better things to put your money towards, go find someone who owns a MiSTer and try it out for yourself.
I don't want that. I want less than 1 frame latency so my inputs are as instantaneous as the games are programmed to allow, which is only 1/60th a second. Software achieves that just fine except for consoles that fpga can't do anyway.
It's $450
Again, this isn't actually true. Because games are coded to the frame. Inputs are accepted on the frame, movements are equal to pixels per frame. 60fps is 60fps. Simon will jump the exact same height at the exact same speed.
DE-10 Nano is $215, that's all you need for a Mister FPGA nobody is making you buy all the extra horseshit. In fact I got by fine for more than six months with just a bare DE-10 nano and an OTP adapter.
>deboonked
Lmao
Post some hard numbers comparing input latency of software vs fpga or shut the frick up
Double buffering rendering adds a frame of latency. Though to be fair you can mostly fix this using one frame of run-ahead.
>it's debooonked
>but here's a huge list of copes for that which isn't debooonked
>i'm deboooooonking!
get some fresh bait
>PC
Just use your phone, moron.
Then you just don't understand it well enough.
Why can't you understand that those "numbers" matter and you're fighting years of psychological cope induced by shitty emulation?
Fed up of these gay threads. Just want a proper handheld that can play anything up to ps2/saturn/dreamcast. Until then; not interested.
Dreamcast emulates fine on flagship phones. So does gamecube btw.
Haven't really tried saturn on phone. PS2 still sucks.
I've been seeing npcs like you say this for years and years now, you will never buy a handheld
>it only plays genesis, I want [device] that plays snes with enhancement chips
>it only plays snes, I want [device] that plays ps1 at full speed
>it only plays ps1, I want [device] that plays saturn at least
>it only plays saturn, I want [device] that plays n64 for mario, zelda the list goes on
>it only plays n64, I want [device] that plays dreamcast at full speed
>it only plays dreamcast, I want [device] that plays ps2 correctly
>KEKW? PS2?Gamecube? I want a magical [device] that plays everything up to switch perfectly, thing that even a modern PC can't!!!
If you emulated in the 90's - 00's and couldn't tell there was a difference you just ousted yourself as a complete moron
>never felt a difference
That's because you're moronic anon
>either way im gonna wait at least until ps2 emulation for mister is a thing
Lol. Sure, it could be right around the corner. Keep the faith, you dumb homosexual.
meanwhile i'm playing on a fat ps2 with freemcboot + hard drive
>emulate 20 year old pc on mister
>emulate ps2 on 20 year old pc emulatored on mister
>emulation is more accurate than original hardware
>ergo emulation on emulation is doubly more accurate
>???
>profit
you are trapped in an emulation. wake up Nuo
Snake oil. Such a fricking scam. Even the people involved admitted it's no more accurate than software emulators in that massive interview in Edge Magazine.
Why do you keep moving the goalposts, the goal is latency.
With the MiSTER can Saturn and PSX go above native res? Or does it not work that way because it's emulating the hardware rather than the software?
No, yes.
Many cores have enhancements including PSX. Saturn may do once it's finished.
>There were studies that proved this for expensive wine, "audiophile" gear, stratovarius violins
there are studies that can prove anything, moron. studies dont mean shit if they cant be replicated, and 90% of studies can't. look up the replication crisis, your ignorant frick.
The replication crisis is only for leftist soft sciences you idiot, maybe you should fricking it. Your confirmation bias is pathetic.
Emulation is fine if you just like playing mario hacks. But if you have authentic hardware you can tell the difference, software emulation is just lacking.
...i have authentic hardware and don't use it because i just haven't gotten around to ebaying it.
>psp
Emulation is vastly superior. It looks great when you crank the resolution up to 4X or more, plus AA, etc... No shitty loading times anymore.
>DS
My phone shits on it, tbh.
>wii & gamecube
Id rather play widescreen and 4k on my pc, plus ocarina cheats can un-waggle certain wii games like DKCR. No shitty loading times anymore.
>ps1
Another one where you can make a huge chunk of games true widescreen, HD, and antialised, and they look so much fricking better than the original. No shitty loading times anymore.
>genesis mega drive
Widescreen support for tons of games, ecco 2 looks fricking amazing widescreen
>NES
sprite limit and flicker removal is great. Only hipster homosexuals defend that shit. It was annoying even as a kid.
People have been posting the same stuff about how the mister is a waste of money for so long that if they had just picked up 20 hours overtime and tried it themselves they would have saved themselves time at this stage. Even if they threw it in the trash immediately afterwards they would be up but they will still be talking about how their PC is better in another three years. Poorgays and the sunk time effect are fascinating to watch. Using price as an argument in a hobby as cheap as /vr/ is low IQ poorgay shit.
I was on the fence for a while but after I noticed I was playing minis a fair bit I took the plunge, glad I did now I have a silent box with all my favourite games and they play much better than on the minis. Bonus I can use any control I use on my PC, with any game. My only regret is that I waited.
>those grapes taste like shit anyway
Accuracy matters most to me when it comes to sound, it's actually noticeable. Inaccurate NES sound emulation (which is 99% of it) has a much brighter sound, which isn't even bad and I enjoy it, but accurate NES sound has a nice aesthetic to it.
Jews too tight to pony up $200 for the definitive retro gaming platform of the current age are not welcome as they would undoubtedly be entitled whiny homosexuals who never contribute patreon let alone constructive testing.
Black person
People who make anti-[insert trendy thing] threads are always the ones with low morale and need a quick little ego boost. You can feel their frustration in their choice of words. Came across one of you fricks at a kickback who would not shut the frick up about how we could have just connected a raspberry pi to play the same games and more. The owner of the MiSTer was getting ready to just leave and started unplugging shit. The only way we got a clamp on it was to offer the butthole a ride home if he wasn't here to enjoy the night with some bros. With that said, we got a chance to play Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting and it just feels raw. I don't have the words to describe it but the arcade and console games we tried felt like there was no buffer between my input and the game. I'm tempted to pick up my own MiSTer but they're expensive as frick.
>would not shut the frick up about how we could have just connected a raspberry pi to play the same games and more.
Lmao, what a jealous c**t.
Damn, brolet. The only thing more cringe than the memeberry gay is your post.
LOL
I can't even believe that post is real. Do people honestly get into fights irl over which shitty emulation machine should be used?
Frick you bro what are you calling emulation? I'm gonna frick your shit up!
The only consoles that have bad emulation is ps4 (it runs, just badly) and xbox one (I can't find anything because search results give xbox original).
It would be cool if mister supported the loading of like NES carts and stuff, but emulator doesn't seem to work like that, so if you want to follow the law, you should just buy the consoles (and you can find the consoles at around the same price as a mister).
Mister isn't bad, but their approach won't scale up when mister starts to implement PowerPC consoles, because the CPU and the GPU's were quite powerful at the time, and a FPGA that is powerful enough to emulate the hardware perfectly would cost around the same price as original hardware (also you can buy a xbox 360 or ps3 + multiple controllers for like $100-200 used on like Craigslist)
I can't see any FPGA simulating a PS2 in a long ass time, the VRAM will murder anything that tries.
Sucks that FPGAs so far only seem capable of simulating platforms which already have excellent software emulation. It undermines the most appealing potential benefit, accuracy.
OP listed ps2 as a supported OS I thought it supported ps2 because it had a custom risc CPU which may or may not have a patent?
Reread the post. OP mentioned PS2 as a console which needs better emulation but disappointingly doesn't get it through FPGAs.
The price of an FPGA that could host a PS2 would be prohibitively expensive at this time. Also it's a shit console that only homosexuals like XBOX4LIFE b***h!
Mister could support carts, an interface could be wired to GPIO it wouldn't be so hard.
Does anyone have a good argument from a technical/engineering aspect for why run-ahead is better but still not accepted for speedruns? Meanwhile, on the MiSTer the input delay will be affected by the display and controller decoder but not the DE-10 Nano itself?
Run-ahead is not deterministic behaviour. The Mister can have identical latency to original hardware if you drive a CRT directly and interface an original control via SNAC. They are electrically interfaced to the chips which drive them directly.
Regular USB and HDMI is low latency as an emulator would be but not identical to original hardware.
Runahead is basically tool assisted.
I fricking love my MiSTer bros.
Is this the UltimateMiSTer case? I wanted it but I have to buy it with a USB hub which I already heave.
It's the aliexpress one
minus the big sticker of course
The Sorgelig hamburger. I like that form factor the USB hub is handy. I have connected:
>USB flash drive
>Wireless retrobit controller
>Wifi adapter
>mini keyboard for starting computer core games
>mouse for playing mouse games
>Keyrah in a c64 case for keyboard games
>USB charge cable for Retrobit
I have free port on the front which I use for arcade stick, atari stick or an xbone conroller for playing PSX games lately.
Sweet setup.
I mainly got the USB hub for 5 player shit but it's been limited to Bomberman 94 and some game that plays like RC Pro Am on PC Engine. Otherwise, I finally managed to beat Micro Mages with four players and ironically haven't played the actual RC Pro AM II on NES that has 4 player support. Nobody wants to kick it and play Dungeon Explorer cause it takes too long for anything to happen so it's on my bucket list. I haven't tried the PS1 stuff yet but I think there are 8 player games on this console.
>I beat this 30 years ago on a real system without losing a life
>I haven't played it since
>I put it on today and I died
>that's not supposed to happen
>it's because it's not accurate enough
>you're saying it's perfect
>it's not
>it's supposed to sound/look/feel different
>and it's different from how I remember
>why don't you fix that
>it's difficult to explain exactly
>it's obvious though
>I can tell the difference
>and so can everyone else
$450 is not that much for an FPGA
The board itself cost 130, people get that price up by buying fugly overpriced cases,overpriced usb hubs, addon boards with useless buttons and pointless leds and analog out that could be replaced with a $5 dongle
It's $215.
>$450
moron fell for the addon scam lol
The only one you need is 32M memory for 10 bux, that's it
For the billionth time: It's retroarch for hardwaregays.
>saturn
Anon it isn't 2014 anymore. Many accurate saturn emulators out there.
People thinking 16 ms of lag isn't noticeable.
>16 ms
>2022
I can understand the arguments on both sides of this and why people don't care about FPGA but I have no idea why MiSTer is specifically the FPGA camp that gets shit on. Analogue is without the doubt the biggest shit stirrers on this subject peddling the whole "perfect accuracy" BS because they're selling a product directly and still haven't made their systems open for development. I remember seeing that some research that went into a MiSTer core helped its software emulation on MAME, so even if I didn't care about MiSTer I can imagine seeing some benefit to it simply existing.
MiSTer is simply the one which is promoted the most. Nobody feels the need to attack Analogue because so few people are supporting it. It self-evidently sucks and anons don't make claims otherwise.
Even though I have little interest in purchasing an FPGA, I'm glad some of the accuracy improvements from MiSTer are being upstreamed.
Bsnes author had a massive hateboner for Kevtris of Analogue fame because Kevtris promised to openly publish results of his research on SNES, before he sold out and did not reveal anything.
It's the same as the phone vs handheld, emulation vs original hardware and PC vs console bullshit. Some people feel threatened when the device they happen to already own turns out not to be the choice of others for a specialised application. 40 years ago they would have been yelling at people with laserdisc players because their dad bought a VCR to record football.