https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nearly-50-of-developers-say-generative-ai-tools-are-being-used-at-their-workplace/
It's over. Ganker will complain about slop but cheer this on in the same breath.
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AI isn't slop.
Since it can only function by taking the most average generic creation of its data set it very much is slop.
>the most average generic creation of its data set
Can you explain what you're talking about?
Post an example of said slop, then post an example of what you can do then I'll believe you
>you cant point out something is shit if you cant do it perfectly
According to that logic, Ganker cant ever call a game shit since Ganker cant make games. What a stupid argument, get a chatbot to write replies since it would do better than you.
AI draws from the data its fed from texts, art, whatever, and it needs a shitton of data. Which means most of its creations are going to be the sum of everything then picking the most consistent patterns in the data, which is why so many AI are so generic. Ask a ai for a military general that starts with the letter B, you will probably get Alexander as a result, not because his name starts with B, but because as a general hes closest to B and shows up the most.
So you're saying you cant?
Of course, As expceted of anon
>if you cant code you arent allowed to call a videogame shit
Based shiteater.
>AI lover
Make it a pretty and fat femboy and I will jerk off to it.
>AI draws from the data its fed from texts, art, whatever, and it needs a shitton of data. Which means most of its creations are going to be the sum of everything then picking the most consistent patterns in the data, which is why so many AI are so generic.
This isn't how it works. There are biases but your prompt dictates where in the a vast digital brain it should be averaging, and you can weigh your prompt to further explore this latent space. As a result, any model is less "generic" than any single artist because it simply has more data to utilize. Most artists can barely do their own style let alone a lot of every style like AI models can.
Sure, and the more you weigh the prompt to mimic a specific artists style, the more it has to fill in the gaps with generic designs, unless said artist has literally thousands and thousands of paintings with a distinct style that the ai can draw from.
Again, that's not how it works. It would hone in on that particular part of its brain, not go toward the entire model's average. You only see that average when you're doing simple prompts that aren't asking for anything specific or if the model doesn't understand what you're talking about. It's like how a person's first instinct is to make a stick man when you ask them to draw a person. "I mean a person in classical painting style ackshually."
That part of its brain still needs data to draw from, it cant create that data from nothing, so it draws it from the standard part. It cannot create a mimicry of a style without having enough data on said style.
>your prompt dictates where in the a vast digital brain it should be averaging
This is a distinction without much difference. Changing where the average is by adding more vectors from prompt tokens doesn't change that... it's still an average.
>Just add more wildcards and random weights bro
It still looks like AI, because all these models know how to do is generate the average.
Good morning sir
it's the same as if devs made games with Unreal assets and in two years when the first major games majorly made with AI come out we'll all see that
So you're telling me games like Forspoken were all made by AI????
I believe it.
i dont know how to draw, I will take AI art and turn it into something that makes sense. how tf am i supposed to make an office carpet texture from scratch
>i dont know how to draw, I will take AI art and turn it into something that makes sense. how tf am i supposed to make an office carpet texture from scratch
This is probably one of the best arguments against ai, enabling and coddling moronation and learned helplessness into the populace.
>a tool making useless people useful is bad
>implying the tool is making people useful
>implying it isn't
because it isn't
Kek. I can hear you crying.
No, I will not be commissioning your work at overpriced prices. I'll get it cheaper, easier, faster, better using AI.
>moronation
Always been the case, see vax and obsession with conformity in general.
break into an office and take pictures of the carpet, use them as reference
AI is based. Replace every one of these workers with AI.
Low skill jobs are gonna be phased out eventually, so might as well let AI take it's place. I imagine that most professions will utilize in the future, but some jobs will never be fully replaced. Good stuff.
I'm just boycotting western games in general. Diablo 4 was the last straw for me.
Why the frick does this site still use Captcha? Equally worthless and sinister.
>Why the frick does this site still use Captcha? Equally worthless and sinister.
I got banned a while ago just mentioning that there is an AI that solves that problem lmao.
Yeah, our studio pretty much does everything with AI. No complaints yet. Not that you people should use AI. My team just lacks integrity and we're only here for a paycheck.
>According to the survey, AI is being used across a variety of job types at development studios, including business and finance (which 44% of respondents said it was being used for), community and PR (41%), production and team management (33%), programming (25%), game design (21%), narrative (13%), visual arts (16%), audio (14%) and QA (6%).
the sloppening hasn't even begun. games are gonna be fricked if it trends upwards, which it will purely for the company's bottom line.
41% answering it being used in community and PR is extremely funny though.
They're already fricked so who gives a shit. There's more good games in the last 20 years to play than you'll be able to play in your lifetime anyways
The sloppening began in the late 00s when consolegays won
Consoles always had the better and more creative games
thanks for the laugh
>Consoles always had the better and more creative games
lol,lmao even
>always
this hasn't been true since before the seventh generation
>Consoles always had the better and more creative movies
yes
I don't care. Let it burn
>QA 6%
That is exactly where it should be used for collision testing and boring crap.
>Game design (21%)
Might as well make it 80% European and Americans only do derivative work.
Also any information on who they surveyed? so I can avoid their games
How are you going to cope when you can prompt 3D models and literally every studio is doing this?
>European and Americans only do derivative work
Bold statement, given that something like the entire """J"""RPG genre is just a derivative fan work of American RPGs like Wizardry
Name three AAA games in the last 8 years worth spending 70 dollars on.
>41% community and PR
I knew this site had shill bots.
At work whenever someone wants to write something, anything, they make ChatGPT do it and start from there
Then they make it review the mistakes after. Then they only change some words of the final output to make it seem less generic and AI generated. Highly efficient but my personal opinion is that it's turning the people moronic. They don't even think anymore since the machine does it for them
Also for coding it's quite shit and only works when I'm doing some repetitive code that it's already seen. The more I use copilot the less impressed I am with it and the more prefer writing the code myself since the AI is quite literally moronic and writes code that sounds good but most of the time doesn't even works, makes up functions and libraries, etc. It's a big liar that 20% of the time will give you the code you exactly need and the rest of the time will try to give you nonsense that doesn't works
>Highly efficient but my personal opinion is that it's turning the people moronic. They don't even think anymore since the machine does it for them
Why is that a bad thing though? There's no need to think if the machine will do it better.
That's how you end with a species full of subhumans that can't do anything like in the science fiction novels. Thinking is a muscle and people have stopped training it to do their job, so they are not gonna be ready whenever for whatever reason it isn't available or gets paywalled or something, or when they need to do a high complexity task that AI simply can't do it well right now
80% of social media interactions by companies seems AI generated these days anyways so honestly who cares.
>Highly efficient but my personal opinion is that it's turning the people moronic.
Not that guy but that's not something you should concern yourself much. The vast majority of people were always moronic. It's been made increasingly obvious with every "current thing" pushed onto them every passing year and it's not worth stressing oneself over.
>community and PR (41%)
Subtle
They should be more concerned about unqualified DEI hires.
AI writes better dialogue than "white man BAD" so I'm okay with this
Neurosama's tangents are better than any writing from a "serious" game I've played in the last several years, minus Disco Elysium
Athene's AI bots were fun to listen to too.
This just in: Tools are being used to facilitate work.
you homosexuals are fricking moronic
They are still using it only for AI-generated images like DALL-E but not for translations?
Frick israelites.
Some based nips are starting to use AI for translation because they heard that westoid homosexuals were fricking up their work and tanking their sales.
As a legal translator, it makes my job comfier.
Until you no longer have a job.
Don't tell him, you'll spoil the surprise.
Generative AI is text/image/sound/video.
>mfw seeing twitter moralists getting butthurt about AI being used in gaming when literally every industry is using AI
>"it's okay when it doesn't affect me"
>in reality it doesn't even affect them, they're jobless losers
>muh jerb
Being borderline slave is not success, literal moron.
>slop gets sloppier
The kind of dev that replaces any part of the game dev process with current "AI" was never going to make a worthwhile game in the first place so it's not like they were going to get my money anyway.
This is total nonsense.
sorry poojeet, not buying your low effort garbage
My studio can't use AI tools for anything because it's still tied up in legal. Could go either way really.
You can safely use Firefly, Copilot, and Picasso.
Not according to our lawyers. NDAs and such. No guarantee these companies won't take your data
There's already games getting caught using AI voices like that Naruto game, they all are shit and is just yet another excuse to cut costs and corners.
Ganker however will love this since to their politics AI = good.
>caught using AI voices like that Naruto game
Confirmed to be a falseflag by AItards and it was just reused low quality audio from a previous game
cool they can charge less money for the product then
>devs are lazy
known since the 90s, homosexual
AI has been used in this shit before your shitty web generators existed.
Frick a lot of asset creation is automated, especially materials and modeling and animation
AI ARGUMENT GENERAL #924,125
>AI ARGUMENT GENERAL #924,125
it's just AI GENERAL
there is no argument, it's been over for a year now
It's honestly just political discussion.
Same screen caps from more than 1 year ago, speculation that keeps moving its due date, people copy pasting what they heard in a keynote, etc.
There is nothing new in these threads. One guy used GPT to write an XML file so the gaming industry is actually dead 😮
I also like how no one read the original article. If even one guy in a studio used GPT or Diffusion for anything at all, it would be marked as if the whole company or department is "AI driven". There's no scale, only y/n.
There's no n at all. Everyone is using copilot and generative AI.
>Everyone is using copilot and generative AI.
I've used GPT for an email one.
Under this survey I would be considered an AI creator.
Never trust statistics from the AI crowd, there's always something fishy.
I just won't buy new games
It's sad but in reality idgaf and I won't support stuff like that,quite simple
I also won't buy new games, because they aren't using enough AI and are using too many troons. Soon AI will be able to generate custom games just for me (it already can, to a limited capacity).
I just won't buy them period
Finding good games these days is like swimming in a pool of shit, this was true even back in the day but it kept getting worse and worse, but if AI becomes the norm, I'd say I can stop buying new/recent game forever, and it's not really a big deal since there are like 20/25 years of games actually worth playing and my backlog is massime af
AI could be used for great things,but I think replacing human creativity in general with it it's a great mistake, even if I admit it can create cool stuff
you all have years worth of vidya in your backlogs
That's literally what I said in my post dumb dumb
As long as they polish them to make it unnoticeable. With how ridiculous game dev cycles have gotten with 6 year gaps between each title, I'm actually in support of their use.
>With how ridiculous game dev cycles have gotten with 6 year gaps between each title
this is fundamentally a leadership problem. most devs aren't sitting idly by waiting for years to pass to finally do some work six months before release. these longer cycles are typically from someone higher up demanding this or that and at times requiring the game to be rebuilt from the ground up. halo infinite suffered greatly from shit like that especially the last year in development when everything was upended and they damn near started over.
>As long as they polish them to make it unnoticeable
why should I hire 100 people to make everything from scratch over half a decade instead of hiring 10 people to oversee AI generating most of the shit over a couple of years?
>couple years
You don't understand the impact AI is going to have on game dev. It'll decrease dev times 100 fold.
I'm not letting AI do all the fricking writing etc
You will when it's a better writer than we are.
>turd is better than diarrea
Yeah. What the frick did anyone expect? There are already tools that generate video game textures. Did you really think developers, both small and large, were going to ignore those tools instead of bother paying an artist?
UBI NOW
ai makes great sense for qa. basically a form of fuzzing for games (because actual random noise in a game would get nowhere).
obviously its great for art, but you would need a good pool of seed material from key artists.
voice acting is also obvious at least for minor characters.
game design, programming, and writing, i dont see how its valuable yet. im sure ai can write copy and program crud slop, but those are trivial problems.
>Concerned about ethics
More like fearful of being replaced
My computer crashes just from enabling intellicode. I don't trust AI tools.
I went to a game dev meet up once in my city. Loads of people there talked about using Ai and even asked around looking for people to hire to art+voice ai skills. Needless to say I never went back.
>spend a fortune to train a dozen voice actors in my conlang and still not be happy with the result
OR
>get AI to do everything perfectly for free
gee I wonder what I should go with
what a dilemma
>perfectly
>aislop!
you have to be pretty fricking moronic to think devs can do a better job at the things ai can do.
You think this is some AI art vs da vinci debate when in reality it's a contest between an AI shitting out fastfood art and some moron from deviant art trying to accomplish the same thing
but 2 weeks ago Ganker said AI would never be used in games
what happened with that saars
I love reading "2 weeks" posts after they turn out wrong.
The best one was when a paint pig said AI art would never do x the day Dall-E 3 released. He was probably crying that night.
Does that not drive down development costs? Meaning this push for 70 dollars for a game should be buried 6 feet deep.
Games are going to get much, much cheaper, yes, but not ridiculously so. Traditional artists will be phased out in favor of artists who can utilize AI, because whipping out a smorgasbord of concept art for your new video game epic will take a literal afternoon instead of a month. You don't need to rent studios, or pay Skywalker Sound or some other high budget studio to hire actors which also comes out of your company's budget when you can just AI some voices.
>Meaning this push for 70 dollars for a game should be buried 6 feet deep.
Lol. Lmao.
Eventually it will drive down dev time and costs but I doubt they'll lower the prices just because of that. Markets will change in other ways though and I doubt people will be playing AAA games as much as smaller budget games, since AI will make those games a lot better and closer to AAA quality.
Yes. Lmao, you're gonna have to shell out more money to get even shittier slop, y'know, the industry standard?
Lol no not at all. Prices will stay exactly where they are because people are already fine with $70.
Costs down, margins up - what's not to get?
>Nuh-uh, $70 is the standard, and in X years $80 will be
Regardless, I am of the belief that actual art and passion will shine brighter among the ever increasingly amount of slop being produced only for money. It's funny how people think that better quality will be produced, instead of highs, mediocrity and lows, we'll have only mediocrity meant for the masses that spreads no idea or thought behind it, and clown are dancing and clapping inside a burning circus... What a joke.
AI shit should only be used to make more pictures of Minions doing 9/11.
Introducing it into workplaces for digital tasks is going to result in worse output, less jobs and more cash in the pockets of the worst managers and CEOs.
Fantastic! Getting closer by the day to a reality where I can make my dream game without learning a single line of code.
What's your dream game?
Like with many other things, it depends on how they use it. I doubt that anyone cares if AI is used to do some absolutely mundane stuff like drawing ground textures or something like that.
>it will still take 10+ years to shit out a terrible game
>making up a guy in your head to get mad about
>ai being used for enemies = GOOD
>ai being used to make art assets =
BAD
Kys artgays. You went to school for a worthless degree, and you WILL be replaced. Enjoying waging at mcslopper's!
>Enjoying waging at mcslopper's!
it's over....
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LwhtY3JFGak
I'm not against using AI or robots for grunt and menial work in society but I'm not in favor of it in art. Sure I think it can work in some kinds of games and development processes in the same way that randomly generated maps for roguelikes can be fine, but in general, I'm not for it. I love humanity, I love people, I want my art to be as human as possible. Otherwise the beauty of communication and community is lost and we will become further isolated and lonely as a society.
Applying ethics to a job like software development feels weird. Did anyone feel use of IDEs was unethical? How about use of new programing languages? Or how about communication or trunk-tools?
All these tools made the job easier, but that's not really the worry, is it? You're worried about ethics because this isn't an improvement, it's a replacement. And you don't want to be replaced. Which is fair, but don't forget that the carriage-master didn't want to be replaced by the car but that didn't work either.
>but don't forget that the carriage-master didn't want to be replaced by the car but that didn't work either.
What is a taxi driver
What is a bus driver
Soon to be gone once we get ai driving?
I dont think itll take off if it looks like the AI developers will be liable for any injuries caused by the vehicles. no one wants that lawyer bill. accidents involving city buses are enough of a headache as it is
insurance will block that even as ai driving becomes perfected, it hasn't yet, just more Musk lies
Unfortunately for AI hypemen, reality is far more harsh on automated systems since the "data" of reality is incredibly difficult to capture and process in real time.
You can discard a bad AI art output, but a bad AI driving output for a machine going highway speeds could be fatal.
Obviously one day AI driving will be around, but it's not so trivial as taking harvested digital data and outputting something similar.
Yes.
>the doomer replies
kek.
It'll happen eventually.
it's not a tech issue, it's a social issue
and in USA a "nog" issue
filthy animals will ruin any automated systems in public settings
>it's not a tech issue
Yes it is. Self driving cars already exist and drive themselves in factories and some parts of the world but they aren't perfect so there isn't anything close to widespread use.
This is true for the most part.
that's what I mean, the tech can be improved, but "humans" will find a way to ruin it
you can run automated systems in asia perfectly fine w/o any worries about passengers raping and murdering each other
ai will dominate everything else before ai-driving becomes a thing. you might as well be saying GAI will happen eventually.
It's more philosophy than ethics. Video games as a creative product crushed through the hell that is large corporations already suck. Is gutting a company of everyone but some prompt engineers (in India) going to produce anything of value once you slosh all these AI outputs into a game?
Gacha players don't care about quality so they love AI shit, but the rest of should care a little about the impending averageness of games being prolonged forever as development becomes a factory line of AI with a small number of Indian quality checkers.
Only place I've noticed AI actually being blatantly used is bargain bin porn games on steam or f95.
I think how/why they're using these tools is going to differ extremely from different companies. If some smalltime mobile game starts using AI generated backgrounds for their newest gacha garbage promotional then who gives a shit?
If the quality of a game goes up then that's good. If the quality of a game goes down then that's bad.
It's way too early to have a kneejerk reaction when we haven't even seen the results from these devs using AI tools. Besides the lazy ass upscaling in GTA remastered.
cant draw this in 5 seconds so yeah
That pic also looks like shit
Looks pretty good for something that was created in seconds though, homosexual.
the data set was not made in seconds, and neither was the software
>Looks pretty good for something that was created in seconds though
I thought this ai was supposed to be useful, not a toy for morons
>homosexual
moron
Why should I (a viewer) care?
>it might not be that good but we made it fast
So its goyslop in artform. Fast, cheap and generic.
still better than most new pokemon designs.
that is really not saying much
>dog shit is better that horse shit
I guess
Using AI as in using it to create new mechanics or using it to auto complete some line of code?
What is really moronic is workers admitting to use ai.
If it really makes you work faster, stfu about it and work less hours for the same pay
(You) will eat the slop.
im slopping right now
AI bros, stay winning.
>50%
lmao they still don't get it
it'll be 100% in every single tool in one form or another. i hope it replaces them all
my most favourite thing in life is huge breasts, and since ai can make pictures of huge breasts its fine by me!
are you me?
Ima be real with you chief. I really don't care. 75% of games are already creatively bankrupt and I won't play them anyway.
someone post the sonic screencap
i would use AI to make my own skills better. it is a tool. i wont sell anything that the AI makes through me. i will sell what I make based on what I learn from AI though.
instead of googling references or designs i might not know the specifics of, i can just tell AI to give me ideas and i can pick what I want and go from there.
What's wrong with AI generating a massive world then a dev goes in and makes some touches to make it fun? We do this in Mincecraft already.
it forces people to realize human intelligence and work aren't as amazing as previously thought and that's bad or something
future open world games will be 90% AI generated and they'll finally be GOOD instead of the content-free cancer they currently are
For me it's the time saved. I hope this cuts a game's dev time.
>future open world games will be 90% AI generated and they'll finally be GOOD instead of the content-free cancer they currently are
citation needed
"i trust Ubisoft" doesn't count either
Two completely different things.
Minecraft uses diamond square (or was it perlin noise...), super simple algorithms that the guy manually went in to control and play with.
People using Diffusion or GPT fundamentally don't know how it works.
Lots of games do that but it's not really AI they've used in the past. AI will do a better job than we will at that kind of thing, when someone trains a neural net on it.
I wonder if that new No Man's Sky used proper AI for its world.
Take a look at this https://civitai.com/models/10028/neverending-dream-ned
This model can do every style. What is its average exactly?
Semi realism style/anime. It literally tells you the stylings used in the generative prompts for it. Thats why all the semirealistic pics have eyes larger than a normal humans.
>every style
what does that even mean
It means every style you can think of, you're being willfully obtuse. Just pick any style.
i don't think you know what style means
ai is just a machine that can replicate any image is has been trained on, any visual image you have ever seen in your life can be replicated, remixed and synthesized... not just art
it's not flawless, far from it, but that is the goal
from now on, almost nothing you see on screen can be assumed to be 100% real, it's the end of of a certain type of reality people like us born before ai can know
>People on the internet in the 90's
>"Never assume anything on the internet is real, people can say whatever they want."
>People on the internet now
"YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT? JUST GO ON THE INTERNET AND TELL LIES!?"
Zoomers are moronic more news at 11.
People are just fricking stupid, no matter the age.
Back during radio waves were the entertainment norm people literally thought they were getting invaded by aliens in some story broadcast.
Now, someone can just AI some explosions in India and get 20million people to believe the sandBlack folk are killing eachother again
Wait a minute so you're telling me all those pictures of Indians shitting in offices aren't real?
Of course they weren't real.
Why would they shit in their offices when they have a nice street outside?
yeah because people definitely aren't falling for shit on the internet today
>This model can do every style.
lol no
If you squint your eyes and walk 50 meters away sure. People are so adamant on defending the failings of an AI model for the sake of an internet argument, it's actual insanity.
No one was talking about quality. Nice goalposts.
what's the point do doing every style it's all garbage?
I was just trying to explain latent space and models to a brainlet.
>ai cant do many specific styles well and uses a more generic pattern when gaps in its ability to recreate a style show up
>no look it can do every style
>every time it tries to do a weird style, gaps in its ability show up and its a bit more generic
Neat.
Generally when you say you can do every style, it doesnt mean you can do every style badly. I can play every instrument, but I wont be making music.
But you can't draw every style.
You're so desperate to derail.
>AI CAN DO EVERYTHING
>but this picture looks like shit
>BUT CAN YOU DRAW BRO???
amazing
>But you can't draw every style.
Yeah I can. Just don't complain about the quality
You can't.
he can draw any style BADLY, just like ai 😉
No he can't.
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okay then draw a photorealism, full color
ai would be using training data made of photographs
you would have to compare it to an ai solely trained on human made art since a human is not a mechanical camera
You have training data of photographs too.
Wrong, you are using an incompatible edge case because you are an unsophisticated rube, buttmad you've been shown to know nothing about ai, even less about art.
Stick to your big tiddy pics.
>correctly state you can't draw every style
>you get mad and out yourself as a homosexual
ok
lol, artgay mad
desperate samegay
anon will bicker at you, saying it's up to the user to generate proper images, but the ease of making shit pics that gets spammed online everywhere is itself a hazard
>muh goalposts
You said it could do every style. It's not even close to the style. It's a freakish mix of classic Japanese paintings, 80s anime, and the given prompt.
It's just bad faith discussion, you wouldn't give anyone this kind of margin of error, but if it's an AI model then it becomes a discussion of quality (it wasn't). You're actively misreading my response in order to pull out the goalpost fallacy out of desperation.
prompt in question:
>shonen jump my hero academia kohei horikoshi punch foreshortening chapter cover
It is not accurate to the prompt.
My conclusion: the model sucks for this style
Misinterpret this however you want.
AI tools have been around for over 10 years. The only difference between then and now is that technology has progressed to the point where a lot of these tools can be offered cheaply or set up for free. Normies are just being swooned by "AI" marketing buzzwords as usual.
Is photoshop AI?
Is scanning a price tag considered AI usage?
Is using a calculator considered using "AI"?
How far do we gotta go to elminate "used by AI" or "Ai assisted" completely?
The word AI itself is just a buzzword, what it meant in the 80's isn't what it meant in the 2000's which isn't what it means now.
Is that the cart titan?
Hot take, if you are fine using procedural generation for game levels you shouldn't care about using a similar method for art assets.
But can AI DO THIS?!
that better be a boy
AI cannot replicate soul, it has too much data of soulless modern art
https://civitai.com/models/12910/shitty-oekaki-jaggy-lines-style
bretty gud
Unironically terrible
Funny how Oekaki is basically a dead art form but can now live on forever through just like that AI that also makes Sonichu style images even though Chris Chan doesn't make comics anymore.
This man has never heard of drawpile or the hundreds of successful clones.
Pretend to care about art but never actually follow it.
That screencap is more than a year old and was made in a rage bait thread.
>live on forever
>janky toy for tr@nny tech bros pretending to be artists to feel good about themselves
There's literally an active Oekaki board on this site, you actual mouthbreather.
if he didn't know that it would prove his point
His point is that he doesn't know what oekaki art actually is and is just a poser with a new toy?
What point?
It was never mainstream to begin with.
Um... there's no Oekaki on Ganker...
Much like /misc/ or /b/, it is a part of Ganker, not Ganker, as it is not deemed advertiser friendly enough for Ganker. (Which is weird since it assumes this site is advertiser friendly in any capacity)
Hiro2 doesn't understand this website.
>active Oekaki board
There's a thread on /i/ right now that's been up for 5 years and isn't even halfway to the bump limit, calling it active is a stretch.
>Oekaki is basically a dead art form
? I partake on oekaki every week. It's super alive it's just for closed artists communities. Bunch of artists buddies sitting in a room drawing stuff. 90% of it doesn't get shared.
Drawing with other artists is pretty fun
that doesn't look anything like actual oekaki art
Are AIgays blind?
It's called SHITTY oekaki you illiterate frick.
No, they are normies.
It's literally how normies see art.
They love soulless slop and don't care about all the details that drive actual artgays crazy.
This is why ai will "win," not because it's good, but because people don't care about quality.
>No, they are normies.
makes sense
And this is why i hate and loathe normalgays, they are literally cheap, low quality, mass produced fake people.
They literally do not possess spark of humanity and soul.
Anon, we all have souls blessed by Jesus who loves you.
This kills the forced soul epic channer MS Paint """artist"""
>games are more safe and average than before to chase profits
>game design will now be pumped out from a machine "averaging" all other kinds of random shit labelled by pajeetson mturkers
Surely this means games will be more fun and creative.
I mean it can be used. Background stuff generating models, then having a human add their own touches might be a great time saver and you can build worlds faster. But fully AI generated games would probably be dull.
ideally ai tools could give random degenerates power to make unholy porn games previously only well funded devs could deliver
>Muh soul
I guarantee you would've been fooled by the Sonic picture like the moron you are.
Anon I..
Based, exactly what I was looking for, thanks.
I remembered it because it had "shitty" in the title, but there are some others that get even closer to that soulful garbage. Can't remember their names though.
That's the point.
>alt soul
American version was pure goyslop.
Ganker or /ic/?
/g/
/ic/ is actively detrimental for you as an artist
/ic/ is probably one of the only few productive boards on this site. Ask around and you'll be given a MEGA link filled with resources.
Ganker will tell you that you shouldn't program if your choice of language makes Sundar Pichai angry, and you should never program for fun.
From my experience, by far Ganker is the most gatekeepy, in a specifically corporate favoring way.
>From my experience, by far Ganker is the most gatekeepy
that's probably because you're avoiding all the programming, tech, and career generals
/ic/ has good resources, but bad culture, those files are available elsewhere, but the crabs are permanent
/ic/ is small enough that cris himself is probably making every crab post on the board
A literal schizophrenic post. Holy shit.
Ganker unironically has more and better artists.
What a time to be alive!
will any job survive the decade?
500,000,000 plan soon?
African billions don't care are tech, so no.
Funny they say that. The only thing people care about in regular dev is who owns the code it spits out, and can we get sued.
i can't see myself using ai for any games i make since i don't want just someone's technical ability but also their own personal take on what i'm making. small details and how and why they chose to depict something that i made makes me feel happy even if the art isn't as good as ai art. actual soul and not just "this art makes me feel nostalgic/any other emotion" soul you get on this site
Do you really expect to tell the difference between the "stoney wall, faded white wash" texture generated via AI, and the one generated by taking pictures of walls and and editing them in photoshop?
One takes seconds to generate, the other might take an hour. Might not seem like much, but when you have to generated thousands of textures being able to just generate them via prompts saves a ton of time. Remember every hour you have that guy working costs you ~$20.
English?
People don't make textures, we outsource that shit to the 3rd world or AI.
>Making less than an average cook at Wendy's
LMAO!
Burgers are more valuable than game textures.
The market has been awful for 10 years without AI.
I don't care if they use AI, if it's good, it's good. It'd be an improvement over the nothing of the last years (Aside from a handful of games)
>(Aside from a handful of games)
It's borderline impossible to create something that AI can't improve. You can always AI upscale textures for more detail for instance. And I'm not talking about shitty GANs from years ago. I mean perfect AI upscaling that no one will ever complain about.
This has got to be stolen from some keynote. People can't be this stupid by default.
You'd assume following this logic people would use AI upscaled textures for ancient 3D games at least. But even then the RTX remixes, fan made HD texture packs, and what not have been controversial and still the less popular way to play games from the 1990s.
Some people (anon with a build of stable diffusion) just don't get the style the game was going for. If you're using it in the earlier phases of a game's development, that is to say not a post release mod, you're going to be using it because you fundamentally have not defined your style yet.
I see it as self inflicted damage rather than a force multiplier, especially under heavy competition. All you need to do to win out the AI storm is to basically just operate as you did before and let the morons kill their studios.
You aren't even making sense so I won't bother with a serious reply. Believe what you want.
I'm sorry I typed more than 250 characters 🙁
TL;DR:
>if ai texture work was so good, why do these make some of the least popular mods
>if you're using ai artwork early development, you're doing so because you don't know what you want
>And I'm not talking about shitty GANs from years ago. I mean perfect AI upscaling that no one will ever complain about.
And you can use AI before and after that point you're talking about. You aren't making sense.
That is under the assumption that deep learning architecture will just keep becoming better, in fact ""perfect"". Sounds like golden bullshit meme that investors chase.
I am genuinely wondering what sort of wall will this tech hit. Humans are very adept at recognizing patterns, it's not impossible that certain works will always feel a little bit off. And more importantly, the perfect AI simply might not be financially viable to employ.
That's a whole lotta speculations, and you don't even need "perfection" to satisfy most people, but considering how some treat neural networks like black magic, granted, not without reason, some scepticism is needed.
>And more importantly, the perfect AI simply might not be financially viable to employ.
You're still too fricking stupid to bother with seriously.
???
you object to ai because you won't like amateur modders theoretically making bad textures of old games???
I don't use those mods.
I wouldn't like seeing that level of quality in a shipped $70 game either. AI upscaling followed by a sharpness filter is an eyesore.
Don't care about your rhetoric.
Don't you have an 8 hour video review of an N64 game to produce?
>anon says that ai is an objective improvement for textures
>mention how this isn't even true in the modding community
>ad hominem attack
the power of the ai community
incredible
You ignored what I said you moron. We aren't talking about shitty GANs.
Mention this "perfect upscaling AI" or it's just hypothetical. I don't even trust Nvidia with upscaling these days, so...
I mean, you made the original claim, burden of proof is on your side.
You're complaining about hyper realism Minecraft texture packs from 2012 as if that's all AI can do.
You realize AI let's you draw textures and use it to make it repeating and seamless, right? Photoshop has had that part of AI integrated for half a decade now but no one gave a shit. You can also use in painting to touch up and alter art you made, as well as use img2img and controlnet to draw what you want and get specific poses and other very specific details. If a texture artist normally takes 120 hours, they can touch up with AI to take out the redundancy of making it seamlessly tile and drop their workload to 80 hours. Still 95% hand made, just labor saved.
The argument as if there's absolutely no human element and you're merely pasting prompts together is inherently misunderstanding the tools at hand.
ai is just a force multiplyer
the volume will increase, not the ratio of shit game to good
because it multiplies quality, games do get better though
That remains to be seen, but I'd be pleasantly surprised.
I don't expect it though.
Do anons shilling AI games do it out of baiting contrarianism or terminal case of shit taste? Perhaps endless contempt for the vidya devs?
Are they the same sort of people lamenting how gamemaking is no longer domain of nerds and not targeted at nerds and if yes, do they see the irony?
It just befuddles me how one complains about corporate rehashes and sanitized antiSOVL, and then hails google and microsoft's bots.
>but i will totally run a local model and make actually distinct things and not overbright SD patreon scam
I just don't believe it. All I hear are expectations of how to outsource X, Y, and Z for cheap (to machines in this case). How do these people expect anyone will care about their shit in such environment is beyond me.
Basic contrarianism.
They feel human devs are all onions-cuck tr@ns or whatever and rejoice at their fall.
It's just schadenfreude.
>and then hails google and microsoft's bots.
These people are as braindead as your average /misc/ poster. Microsoft and Google are totally going to create this positive counter culture for the common man, all to be run on their local consumer hardware 🙂
They're actually brainwashed. Hollow promises carry them forward just like the metaverse grift shortly prior.
I read these people's post history and they jumped from crypto -> NFTs -> Metaverse -> AR -> AI. They don't actually believe in the tech, they just want it to be a vehicle to make them rich quick while epically spiting their political opponents.
>salty writer is salty
More news at 11.
>firing potshots
I guess if it makes you feel good, sure.
>every day I enjoy and repost things made by artists and writers
>you could say a large part of my life revolves around appreciating and venerating the creations of these people
>they speak to my soul, if you will
>I'm gonna call them salty now
>and in case this post that I wrote wasn't enough to convey my point, lemme show you this artist's artwork where he has skillfully illustrated the same feeling that I'm feeling in this moment
My favorite irony is the Neuromancer profile pics talking about AI takeovers. It's like, why not just AI generate your thumbnail then? It's like hating anime and buying an anime tshirt.
>84% of respondents say they're concerned about ethics of using such tools in the games industry
OHHHHH so NOW they're concerned about ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES!
Do you see what i'm seeing? The games industry is chock full of right wing misogynist extremists who masquerade as being concerned about ethics in video games. They need to be dealt with, and very fast.
Good. Go back to Twitter you homosexual. Imagine calling something slop just because it's AI.
Anything can be "slop," ai just more so since so many of it's users are untrained uncooth coomers, it's just the numbers.
>click the /h/ link posted in this thread
>her vulva looks like it's covered in fish scales
wow, they're truly on the level of the best h-artists
a claim people have made without irony
People complained about losing their jobs and the ethics of farming automation
People complained about losing their jobs and the ethics of mining automation
People complained about losing their jobs and the ethics of factory automation
Whats the difference here
Because this is a loaded argument, plenty of artists haven't made a single mention of AI, but we're just supposed to call them heckin leftists because some dude on Ganker wants me to.
The difference is that most artists haven't said anything about AI, and it's mostly an AI bubble screencap thing.
"AI" isn't inherently evil or bad. It has ethical issues that need to be worked out, as well as quality issues, but nobody would give a shit if a company AI generated some furniture with a method that doesn't just steal from unconsenting artists, and then brushed up the output instead of just using it as is.
Anyone who talks about ethics and theft in the context of AI is a fricking idiot.
post nose
Obviously you've never had a job in your life but if you happened to be an artist a decade ago you absolutely would have got caught tracing and caused a scandal for your employer.
>"AI" isn't inherently evil or bad. It has ethical issues that need to be worked out
Those ethical issues could've been sorted out pretty easily without too much additional effort, but OpenAI fundamentally didn't care.
These are problems that could've been avoided entirely, eg rights for training data.
The philosophy right now is "frick around and find out", it's better not to pretend the intention was ever any more noble.
>everyone on earth can make cool art now
>"BUT PAY ME SOME PENNIES OR I HOPE YOU DIE"
fricking morons I swear
That's not what I said. Not sure what you're trying to achieve here.
You're talking about rights people don't have but want, because they want money. Only the anti-AI side is unethical trying to grift.
>It has ethical issues that need to be worked out
>Those ethical issues could've been sorted out
>this world 2024
>ethical issues
>ethical
I mean, there's legal precedent thrown out left and right right now. I'm saying that could've been avoided.
You're trying to spin this into red vs blue shit. I'm saying this drama could've been avoided entirely if OpenAI created a system to get the rights for training data. It wouldn't even have taken that long, prior to diffusion artists probably would be more open minded. Now their marketing is actually creating bad blood calling them fossils, so the hope of getting permission was intentionally thrown into the toilet, in favor of lengthy legal battles instead.
I thought my post was easy to read, but of course everyone has to have their loaded interpretation of it against da heckin leftists. God damn these threads.
They don't need rights, they already had them.
legal doesn't equal ethics. It is legal to rip people off. For example, nobody is counting your commute time as work time. Also, you have to pay your gas or whatever yourself. Thanks, capitalism. Shut the frick up about ethics, you morons. You know frick all. Wouldn't know one, if it were in your face. Whoever is blabbering about "muh ethics" is a fricking imbecile of the highest order. There is no ethics in this world. End of.
>legal precedent thrown out left and right right now
let them try and waste time and money. I don't give a shit. Public domain and free for commerical use license exist. Public domain especially has more value than all of the modern art combined.
Just shut the frick up or come up with much better points as to why AI shouldn't take over the world right fricking now. Not even the puny human animal moronic shit like feelings and being killed by an AI are a good argument, but that, at least, can be discussed, so that people learn too.
Good. Most people don't realize they aren't even using it directly. Some people are just asking for a prompt and then using those as "concept" art. Taking aspects that work and then ditching the rest. AI still isn't at the point where we can directly use its produce without it looking jank, but the basics are there and companies have realized that it would be stupid not to take the ideas presented.
>ethics
How is AI any less ethical than procedural generation?
It uses others art for training data without their consent. If your procgen function scraped the internet and used images you don't own but chopped them up it would also not be ethical.
data scrapping doesn't require "consent"
same lies, everyday
SURE IS OCTOBER 2022 AROUND HERE
That's why it's not ethical. Ethics and laws are different. If someone took a photo of you and used it in an ad you'd probably not like it. If a law said it's fine to do that you'd still be mad regardless if it's legal or not.
Prohibiting a man or his tool from learning and creating is unethical. You're unethically trying to push laws.
Only one side is unethical here, the greedy side.
It's getting data for free from people who don't want to give it. Sounds pretty shitty but people on this site love piracy so of course you don't agree
No one can dictate what a man can look at and learn from, not even the author.
Audio gets copyright striked when you post it. It's just the artists don't have the big legal teams music producers have.
COPYRIGHT
FRICK YO PAY ME
Copyrights have to do with copying and nothing else.
The artists posted it themselves.
And a machine scraped the internet and used it without consulting them. How is it any different from ripping a games models and using them in your own game? That used to cause scandals and lawsuits but now it's fine because a machine "generated" it?
Yes the obvious and legal thing happened.
>How is it any different from ripping a games models and using them in your own game?
That is copying data and re-using it verbatim, it's illegal. AI doesn't copy it learns and creates new things.
I don't see why that's different. If AI can copy things anyone should be able to.
AI doesn't copy things and yes everyone is able to. And sometimes they do.
>copy
>open mspaint
>paste
If it doesn't copy things then why does it not work with training data?
What kind of a stupid question is this? AI learns from training data, it doesn't copy it.
It's a machine. It can't learn. It regurgitates weights from the training data. It copies in bits and pieces. Advanced photo bashing
>AI doesn't copy it learns and creates new things.
It's a slave to the training data, that of which you didn't actually create the connotations of. Someone can create a style for an animated short and the only way to properly replicate it is to name that specific iteration as a part of the prompt, eg. Spiderverse
But I have yet to see a "new" art style from the AI community outside of the mind melting bugs. Meanwhile a shitposter makes a new style by accident.
>But I have yet to see a "new" art style from the AI community
(you)
>now only mentioning "man" and leaving out "tool"
What's the matter buddy? Where did your tool go?
>Sounds pretty shitty but people on this site love piracy so of course you don't agree
Reminder that the left, who are the overwhelming majority of those affected by AI training runs, pirate overwhelmingly more than the right.
>gives data for free to pixiv, DA or whatever image hosting website for the specific purpose of exposing it freely to as many people as possible in the internet, for views, exposure, patreonbux etc.
>NO YOUR BOT CANNOT FREELY LOOK AT THIS PICTURE REEE
If you don't want a computer to look at your picture, don't feed it to a computer in the first place moron.
>>NO YOUR BOT CANNOT FREELY LOOK AT THIS PICTURE REEE
Oh you just wanna use your bot to look? Go ahead. All the fuss over that?
>Prohibiting a man or his tool from learning and creating is unethical.
>my tool can make art in seconds, take that artists 🙂
>n-noooo why won't you let my tool copy paste your art? You're being unethical!
and finally, a s-o-yjak
it doesn't literally learn just because it's named 'machine learning' Black person
That sounds like a (You) problem.
You don't have any problems using your iPhones made by chink children, I won't have any problems using ai.
The AI isn't generating an exact copy of their image though. The human equivalent would be a skilled artist drawing a portrait of someone they saw at the airport.
>It uses others art for training data without their consent.
the way humans have been copying each other for millennia then?
But it FEELS wrong when a machine does it.
machines are not like human brains, you dumb-ass zoomer.
Not a good reason. Humans copy shit in the form of "inspiration" all the time, it's transformative.
What they used to "teach" the AI is under scrutiny. There were a few oopsies where they used copyrighted materials or straight up private imagery to teach the AI. Since it was under the guise of a non-commercial product they could kinda get away with it, but now AI is being used for commercial purposes, so its kind of in a grey area.
Other than that , we are witnessing peak luddite moments in the artist community right now.
I can't wait until AI start compiling procedural generation coding from commercial games to make its own.
They've been using AI to write stories for years, they're only talking about it publicly now. Its why the quality of writing in games and movies has nose dived.
>blaming ai for DEI hires & nepotism
devilish!
Can OP buy an ad instead of continuing is shitty astroturfing campaign?
He does it for free though
WRONG
he gets paid in cowchips
>Ganker will cry about games being souless garbage hastily put together by talentless lazy hacks that don't care about videogames, then will clap for technology that will allow talentless lazy hacks that don't care about videogames to shit out souless garbage at a even faster rate than ever before
The Dichotomy of Man.
It's because they see themselves as the talentless hacks as opposed to creators. That is the fundamental difference.
>Open AI: You're a loser but our tech will make you a winner, 2 years tops 🙂
>Ganker user with zero self confidence: Microsoft is fighting for my future, woke leftists btfo :O
inb4 open ai isn't microsoft, at this point what difference does it make, they're in bed
>Open AI
That's just one single company, in case you don't know, they don't own "ai."
That doesn't change the point at all, and that argument was never made in the post you're replying to.
It does, the naysayers attribute all the evil upon "faceless megacorps," whilst the anons who enjoy ai are the open source linux homosexuals who pay for nothing and pirate everything... both see themselves as "the little guy" against establishment giants
>whilst the anons who enjoy ai are the open source linux homosexuals who pay for nothing and pirate everything... both see themselves as "the little guy" against establishment giants
I lurk AI threads, don't believe this for a second. Everyone's seething about copyright law, this wouldn't be true if they were just "in it for the art". If you ask them how they pulled off a specific artwork or prompt, they'll take it as offense.
You can see it in how they keep trying to insist "we're winners, traditional artist are losers" rather than just making stuff.
why does it matter? there is so much media in this world, that your entire life lifespan won't be enough to see/watch even all of the movies alone. why do you care?
This is not a response to anything I've said.
Loaded question, not a response to anything I've said. Most people don't care for copyright law.
>seething about copyright law
isn't this what artgays used to b***h at Disney about for decades, I thought hating copyright was the default position?
why are leftist anti-capitalists pray now night and day to the Mouse to deliver them from the open source scourge?
It's so damn funny seeing them literally defend Disney these days.
>corporation sits on one character that they paid a guy to make 90+ years ago
>we should make it easier for corporations to get free new characters and art and never pay anyone in the first place
>of course the corporations will still own copyrights, just not the people who actually make the art
>checkmate, artgays, I have exposed your hypocrisy.
>Now if you'll excuse me, I have a folder of smug anime girls to organize. And none of them are AI by the way.
I hope the CEOs of those companies are the next ones to be replaced by AI. I bet they think they are safe.
You're so fricking stupid. CEOs use AIs to do better business while unemployed dregs rot in the streets because they don't see the advantages available to them.
You don't really get it, right? You think if everyone uses AI people will still pay for services they can just do themselves? That people will pay 70 dollars for a video game they can command themselves?
I didn't say any of that.
>That people will pay 70 dollars for a video game they can command themselves?
Considering you know the future can you also give me lottery numbers?
>You think if everyone uses AI people will still pay for services they can just do themselves?
Services offer convenience. I click the thing and I get the service. If I have to click twice to set up the service then paying for the service is more convenient. Convenience is a sin and we're all sinners.
Somehow we survived the fact that everyone became able to read and write when before it was only accessible to the rich. Yes, it will be a period of turmoil, but we will overcome it. It will not be the end of civilization.
Soulless kino incoming.
Can't wait.
>Generate 50% of next game with AI
>Outsource the rest to India
>Development time is still 10 years
Video games fricking suck
The good news is that things will only get worse, so you can easily adjust your expectations accordingly
You forgot that they'll still cost $70 and come stuffed with MTX.
As a consumer the only upside to this is that, unlike current asset flips, Steam is going to force a dedicated "contains AI generated content" tag onto the coming deluge of garbage so it should be easier to filter out.
The way these companies created their models was extremely unethical. The data was sorted by third worlders working for pennies a day, we all were forced to train it by doing google captchas which basically every website was forcing on its users for years including Ganker, and its built from scraped copyrighted material and open AI even said AI could not exist without doing that.
Okay so its out of the bag now, there's no way its going away at this point but corporations shouldn't be able to profit from it. Doing those shady things to train it was deemed okay because it was 'in the pursuit of advancing humanity' or whatever bullshit open AI said but now its being used for profit and to take jobs away from real people. That's not something that should be celebrated, you'd have to be a moronic bootlicker to think its a good thing everyone is going to lose their jobs so profit margins can go up.
At the very least I think we can agree that everyone had a hand in creating it so everyone should benefit from it not just a handful of microsoft execs.
At this point this moron is just copy pasting twitter troon posts.
Why do you have Open AI living rent free in your head? They barely even matter.
Stability AI makes their shit open source so I don't have problem with them. My problem isn't people genning their coom shit on local hardware. Open AI is the problem because it was supposed to be open for everyone and non-profit but now its closed with microsoft profiting from it.
It's best to ignore them. They're super pozzed
The only reason artist are mad is because the AI can copy their style nearly perfectly in a fraction of the time. The actually reason they're assmad is that all of them are on DA and FA selling niche furry shit smut comms for thousands a pop as "donations" and now the rich degenerates have access to AI for a fraction of the cost. It's about the money, it has always been about the money, it will always be about the money.
Most the people complaining about AI art are not artists. Actually click their profile when you see them on SNS.
they should only be allowed to feed AI art they have copyright rights to.
Same with using people's voices just get some stock audio or some shit.
Code similarly has licenses that allow use.
>https://nitter.net/VGC_News/status/1748050766571405406#m
>According to the survey, AI is being used across a variety of job types at development studios, including business and finance (which 44% of respondents said it was being used for), community and PR (41%), production and team management (33%), programming (25%), game design (21%), narrative (13%), visual arts (16%), audio (14%) and QA (6%).
>The survey also notes that indie studios are more likely to use AI tools at the moment, with 37% of respondents from indie studios saying they personally used it, versus 21% working at AAA and AA studios.
Based, afterall ai didnt steal nor copyright infrigment
Syna long gone, this was true for Stable diffusion v1.5, not true anymore, for stable diffusion and Adobe firefly at least
You didn't actually read the article.
If anyone on the dev team used AI even once (like an email) that whole department is labeled as AI assisted.
Good enough for an eceleb reaction video but not good enough to base reality off of.
They're all using it. They will be fired if they don't. Lots of people have come out and said this on social media.
then they should stick to their principles and quit
Who are you even replying to?
Some hypothetical argument?
the implication being ai was unethical and wrong, am I wrong?
You're replying to a third party account of something someone might have said on Twitter (without even been given a paraphrased quote).
To be honest it's obsessive.
Visual Studio by default had AI autocomplete. I turned it off. Under this survey I would be considered an AI assisted developer.
Also Twitter anecdotes don't count as proof, your feed will be heavily skewed towards your engagement. Thinking it reflects the world sorted by newest is a fundamental misunderstanding.
That or you're coping and in denial.
I get the general sentiment, but this is way too overdramatic. Then again, my job is going down this path as well, except I won't even get to prompting, I'll just be let go in roughly 6-12 months.
I have not seen any shippable 3D AI so far, hard to believe mid journey took that job. There's either more to the story, or this is a falseflag/ shill post.
this is bullshit. MJ doesn't do animations, and definitely doesn't do animations which wouldn't just look like similar type abstract art with lots of randomisation per frame.
>it takes 3 days to do stuff which would take weeks
more lies. nothing on MJ takes 3 days to render. It takes me .8 seconds to render a frame on a 4090. Increase the resolution to 1080p or 4k and it'll take 5 - 15 seconds per frame
Do artist not copy other's work when they learn how to draw?
Do portrait painters not copy what is directly infront of them to draw a portrait of some c**t or gay?
Why is it a problem when AI does it?
AI does it too fast.
Artist should learn to work faster then.
You can't beat the machine elves. They're too quick.
based 6 finger poster, I know you do it intentionally 😉
I just forget when I shitpost here, I usually fix them for twitter posting.
>Do artist not copy other's work when they learn how to draw?
yes
>Do portrait painters not copy what is directly infront of them to draw a portrait of some c**t or gay?
yes
>Why is it a problem when AI does it?
because
1. they see Microsoft, OpenAi and see $$$ they want a piece of
2. coomers flaunting UNDESERVED artwork annoys them
3. ai-gays trollig them for making images in 20 seconds for free that invalidates years of their training
I do feel bad for pixiv randoms though, all they see is suddenly hundreds of artwork in their style flooding their feed and if they complain they're just lumped in with the luddite trannies. People claim how this will ruin the shitty artists being employed by AAA, but its not their work being fed into civitai models, because it's obviously shit, it's everyone else, even those who otherwise just make stuff and rarely if ever participate in twitter shitflinging.
Try to realize how ridiculous that notion is at the base level. To be the kid crying that someone else has the same toy as you now.
I know they spent time developing the style but a lot of farmers were good at digging ditches before machines too.
lol
I'm serious. This is the way every future human will think. They won't understand the incessant and greedy whining of today.
I just don't see the point in kicking someone when they're down anyway. Like what you're saying isn't without merit, but all it does is serve as a reason to not feel bad and just mock the person for feeling bad in the first place. A lot of them never asked for this, never did anything to warrant it, it just happens and they're expect to smile and nod, otherwise be considered against progress and against humanity's development.
There's just something fundamentally inhuman about it that rubs me the wrong way. I'm not even saying AI needs to be shackled because it's a pointless venture to try and do so, but I can't find it in me to champion this kind of stuff happening.
I'm just shedding light on reality, something that is rarely done. Most people are overly emotional babies like you seem to mostly be(you're not all bad though since you saw what I wrote).
>There's just something fundamentally inhuman about it that rubs me the wrong way.
Completely disagree with this though. It's a tool that benefits us all. Crying that the odds have been levelled is inhumane in reality. It's gatekeeping on steroids.
>Crying that the odds have been levelled is inhumane in reality. It's gatekeeping on steroids.
While I don't entirely disagree, it's hard not to take these kind of statements as being emotional in a negative manner, as if these people have actively slighted you. As I've said, I wasn't talking about vidya artists, or those who constantly engage in twitter REEEE-fests, just complete randoms who wake up one day to find their stuff fed into a civitai model with the modeler plugging their patreon for good measure. That's just butthole grifter behavior and I can't in any good conscience blanket that is something that benefits us all.
Being emotional is being irrational. It objectively is a negative way to be.
>as if these people have actively slighted you.
I'll never shit on a based artist just chilling and obviously it sucks when people lose their jobs. But society improving is good for humanity, this is more important than licking the toes of crying idiots. I won't bend an inch and we should all aim for rationality and progress rather than sympathy and regression.
>uff fed into a civitai model with the modeler plugging their patreon for good measure. That's just butthole grifter behavior
This stuff has frick all to do with the original guy in the first place. He could have made his own model and sold it. Why is this strawman upset exactly?
>Being emotional is being irrational. It objectively is a negative way to be.
I'd say it's being human, but clearly we disagree on this.
>But society improving is good for humanity, this is more important than licking the toes of crying idiots
The question is whether we'll see any actual improvement. Don't frame "I can prompt porn" as an improvement if on the other hand people lose their jobs with no real system to assist with retraining and no form of UBI. The fact that you get to have something you didn't have while others are just fricked isn't really society improving.
>This stuff has frick all to do with the original guy in the first place.
It's something I personally saw, which made me realize there's more than just moronic artists and AI proponents in this argument. Ganker is good at inducing tunnel vision.
>He could have made his own model and sold it.
This is literally the same argument that was floating around in NFT circles a couple years ago.
>I'd say it's being human, but clearly we disagree on this.
Humans are capable of rationality, you seem to defend sub-humans that don't realize this.
>The question is whether we'll see any actual improvement.
I'm gonna stop reading here. I don't like talking to ignorant people.
>I don't like talking to ignorant people.
I'd question how you can stand being on Ganker for any length of time.
Seriously talk then.
I was being serious, I can't really help it if you're just going to dismiss it.
It's fine, they have the "made by ai" tag.
I go there a lot, as I have both a drawgay account and an ai account.
All the ai images have none of the views or clout artwork of that quality would command.
You can literally tell if the image was ai by the views, many a times I was surprised by the lack of views on a stunning image then noticed, oh it's ai.
Sure randoms will have a harder time, but the fact a real person drew a good image still matters a lot.
>1. they see Microsoft, OpenAi and see $$$ they want a piece of
An artist doing niche fetish commissions of Disney Princesses doesn't see $$$ they want a piece of?
>2. coomers flaunting UNDESERVED artwork annoys them
Would this not be the case if a better artist takes their cash cows?
>3. ai-gays trollig them for making images in 20 seconds for free that invalidates years of their training
So it is in fact, a skill issue?
>ai-gays trollig them for making images in 20 seconds for free that invalidates years of their training
AI gays use artists' years of training every time their bot copy pastes someone's art, and every time they post a dancing anime girl that an artist drew
they should really recognize their bastard children, only a heartless cruel parent would deny their bloodkin
>copy pastes someone's art, and every time they post a dancing anime girl that an artist drew
that's just not how this works.
you owe me .0003$ every-time you generate, pay up chump
It's easy for a teenager to accidentally create an original style, it's hard for an AI to break out of the training data.
>aitroons and sirs unironically backing this because they somehow think they'll get less woke weeb localizations and better games
slopeaters
this is not a democracy it will happen whether we like it or not, moron
The sirs think it'll somehow open up new job opportunities because they think there'll be a huge demand for people with no real computer skills like them to type a list of shit written up by some dudes who can't be assed to do it themselves when they can just pay a bunch of pajeets to do it for pennies into an AI prompt to train the AI. In reality they'll probably be hired on for a week or less and then immediately be laid off once they're done typing in their lists of prompts to make way for actual software engineers and IT professionals who'll handle the actual work of troubleshooting, bugfixing, and maintenance. The pajeets in the customer service field will obviously be phased out as well (shit, don't even need AI for that. A lot of companies are finding out they can just provide the same level of service with phone menus since the only thing pajeets do is read through a series of scripts anyway), and hell, most of the pajeets running gift card scams will probably be phased out as well since voice AI can make for a more convincing Microsoft/Norton/Amazon "customer service representative" than some shitskin that can barely even form a simple three word sentence in English.
>codeBlack person thinks he is some sort of royalty and will be spared the ACK-ing
Oh no no no
>implying
Nah, bottling line operator. Hate the idea of sitting in front of a computer 8 hours a day. I prefer being on my feet.
Oh yes you will be on your feet alright, in the fricking streets sweeping shit.
Stop jeets now that you still have time or... Oh no no no big tech already owns AI developing and wont let go? Its ogra for you meh lado
Nah. AI wouldn't be able to handle line operation for a simple reason that anyone who's worked line assembly and shit can tell you: incompetent management and maintenance. A lot of machinery in pretty much any factories basically runs on prayers and maintenance technicians screaming and cussing at the damn things to work. One moment everything can be running smooth and then all if a sudden a paletizer decides to shit itself and die for no reason so the boxes need to be stacked by hand. The next minute one of the machines putting inserts in boxes might just decide to say "frick you" and now you need someone to keep on that part of the line to make sure it's not shoving like 20 unfolded inserts into each box and then quickly replacing them if they do. It takes actual humans to operate the lines because you need people who can quickly adapt to shit breaking down or crashing every five minutes which AI won't be able to do without shitting itself for a long time (and by a long time I mean well past the time when I retire)
To me it's hilarious seeing the same few morons on Ganker defending corpos cutting costs and corners yet again, just to own a group of people that exists only in their heads.
They don't play games to begin with, so why care for its quality. All they know is "bruh cod really fell off", so they wouldn't notice the quality hit from an AI takeover to begin with.
>defending corpos
never happened
Okay let me check the companies that are putting the most stock in this AI "craze"
- Ubisoft
- Square Enix
- Chinese gacha
- F2P microtransiction infested games
Truly the bastions of good games.
You forgot Microsoft, Atlus, Mihoyo,Tencent, Actiblizzard, Sony, and many more.
Did you read the list you wrote?
I wrote it.
What do you mean?
>What do you mean?
Lots of people used GPT for porn RPs, managing to break through its filters through various means, until OpenAI had a couple banwaves throughout August and afterwards.
kek okay, everyone but incels trying to ERP with chatbots can use it. But they can use other models too so your point wasn't great.
for me, its Kosh
>But they can use other models too so your point wasn't great.
>Yeah, there's other LLMs, but you do feel the difference very quickly.
>You now remember a week of unrestricted access to OpenAI with zero filters back in the spring of 2023
SO since everyone uses ai, any game you buy means you support ai?
Okay.
who are defending them here?
where are these posts?
>Ganker pretending to suck a rich israelite's dick just to trigger lefty-tr@ns
yeah, that was hilarious, you got me there
>who are defending them here?
Other than AAA studios who is pushing for this?
>AAA studios
>everyone
I can't even remember the last time I bought a AAA game, they are complete garbage that tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator
Pushing?
Stable Diffusion is open source and free, with ever increasing plug-ins, it just a tool.
I'm using it, along with photoshop (which also has ai shit, but need to pay and worse quality).
The coomer anons making infinte waifu are not corpo anything, they are using a near pointless GPU for fun since most games are garbage.
We're talking about gamedev, who gives a shit about your one off random images.
The studios trying to push for this mass produced slop are pretty much only the AAA ones trying to yet again cut costs and increase their profits.
They're using it to create one off waifus too.
and?
Literally out of my hands, I don't have anything to do with them, I am here in my apt in my little corner of the world doing my thing, using these new software.
Your "ethical" concerns mean nothing to me and I refuse to not use a useful tool because of imaginary hurt fee fees.
>never happened
Ganker borderline slobbers over Bobby Kotick's wiener any chance it gets.
But we all hate corpos. AI is just a tool though, anyone can use it.
>AI is just a tool though, anyone can use it.
That isn't entirely true, tons of people got fricked when OpenAI brought down the hammer somewhere around August. Yeah, there's other LLMs, but you do feel the difference very quickly.
ai can produce images better than 99% of artists
ai can produce writing better than 99% of writers
ai can write code better than 99% of coders
you won't even know what part is created by ai and what isn't but you see "ai" and you think it's shit and have your tantrum
>ai can write code better than 99% of coders
lol
AI as of 2024? Lol no.
Art: Overreliance on prompts like trending on artstation or pixiv, not personalized enough, as a result I don't follow any AI artists as much as people insist "u cant tell da difference :O"
Writing: Honest to god I prefer Marvel slop over AI scripts. If you're hiring a writer to rewrite, you're just hiring a writer.
Code: It lacks context of the surrounding project, the examples people show can be done with automated tools or by hand in seconds. zomg i can make an xml with gpt future???
I'm not going to judge it regarding what it MIGHT be 5 years from now, I'm not that generous a person. If OpenAI insists this will replace [insert occupation here] perfectly, they better have results outside of Youtube thumbnail commission gigs.
>start using AI to expedite process and reduce artist costs
>cry on media that videogame prices are too low and people should expect start paying $80-$90
no revolutionary tools ever reduced costs, only increased profits
Good thing that my backlog of actual games is neverending. Add the emulators and I won't need to play any of these ai sloppers.
If i'm following this dude's argument right
>(you) use AI
>Megacorp uses AI
>therefore (you) defend Megacorp
This is "trannies drink water" tier logic.
SO YOU DO DRINK WATER
YOU ADMIT IT
Yes I do, my bad. I will 41% myself shortly.
That's exactly how the majority of Anti AI homosexuals like to argue. They have no good arguments so they have to compare it to another bad thing to make AI itself look bad and make arguing against it hard. The usual "all AI supporters are Indians or crypto/NFT bros so that means AI is bad" type of fallacy.
>all AI supporters are Indians or crypto/NFT bros
I click the profiles of these guys and it's true a good portion of times. It's either crypto, metaverse, or elon shilling. One guy that insisted he was an unbiased individual worked for OpenAI.
Remember when the AI community were worshiping Microsoft's buyout of OpenAI, and the Sam Altman drama? That was so blatant I don't think you can construct a counter argument against this.
>nonsequitur
wow that's a lot of people I don't give a frick about. are they in the room with us right now?
>nonsequitur
I doubt you know what that word means
I use thing.
Megacorp uses thing.
From here, demonstrate the logical steps that show I'm supporting Megacorp's low quality output.
Throwing a bunch of names I don't give a frick about does not prove this, ergo nonsequitur.
>proving their entire point by doing the exact same argument they mocked
Pot meet kettle at its finest
You can't read then. Too bad.
I appreciate that the posts in these threads usually get funnier the longer they stay up
oh , god help us, think of the children!!!
this is unironically OpenAI's mission, it's fricked
Things that will happen when AI gets restricted.
1.Shitty artists will rejoice and continue being worked to the bone by Disney and other studios.
2. AI shills will seethe immensely that their latest scams can't be done anymore
3. I will blame every single artist for being a b***h. They took my new toy away and they will pay for it.
>Things that will happen when AI gets restricted.
I'm still waiting for this to happen. Anon said it would happen in October 2022.
In all honestly it truly doesn't concern me in the slightest. I just want a decent voice cloner that can run locally on my machine so I can have voices for my games that I make as a hobby. That being said, I want to watch a shitshow. There really haven't been as many hours long streams where artist b***h and moan and kvetch endlessly about AI as I had hoped there would be. I need background noise while playing vidya.
Personally I think the definitive AI replacement will happen with the children currently growing up. All the current artists learned to draw the old way and will probably keep doing that for some decades. But why would a child today even draw when they can proompt? When they grow up is when finally the AI will get incorporated into those professional workflows
>But why would a child today even draw when they can proompt?
Because the kid wants to do it the old way. This is what people don't understand. These very same people only view their skills in terms of finding a job and getting paid for it.
>Personally I think the definitive AI replacement will happen with the children currently growing up.
You don't understand AI then. Tens of thousands have already lost jobs. Tens of millions use AI regularly in their jobs.
The next big push, let alone the one after that, will exponentially increase these numbers.
>devoid of context or statistics
The MSM covers these extensively.
Burden of proof is on your side.
Show a notable affect to the art industry, writing industry, programming at a financial level over the past two years that can't be chalked up to the state of the economy. If you have nothing outside of isolated anecdotes then it's mostly just speculation.
In my view there's just not enough data to form a meaningful conclusion outside of image board flamewars.
I don't give a shit if you want to be a troglodyte I'm not going to google "ai layoffs" for you.
Google and other tech companies are laying off people because of interest rates.
They are using the AI excuse to not look as bad on the news as they should.
The thing is I've been in this discussion before, and I know where this goes. There's no real evidence that AI negatively affected the art or writing industry notably outside of gig work, which is a tiny portion of the industry's revenue.
PS: A lot of those layoffs are by studios at their death kneel, like that mobile rhythm game studio. Don't conflate the state of the economy with AI being "that" destructive.
You are talking out your ass mate, seriously please stop being a fricking moron
Good discussion.
It would be like saying the economy during covid 19 was the result of the Oculus Quest 2 and the metaverse. You hate me because I don't give you an inch to spew half baked theories.
Good, sooner enough peopel are jobless then riots can start.
It'll end with UBI or revolution, I'll be ready.
AI will be absolutely disastrous for the meaningless job sector. Imagine how much of the bureaucracy can be completely snapped out of existence. Forget baristas and fast food clerks, I'm talking pencil pushers here and their managers. The fricking desk jokey at the DMV etc. Turns out people working infront of screens are much easier to replace than people stacking shelves. The sweetest irony of it all.
you'll be pleasantly surprised how of the public sector jobs will remain despite being useless even after ai
Good. Pay them for doing piss all. They can go to the office to play Counter Strike all day for all care. As long as I'm not actively affected and/or inconvenienced by it, I don't care.
>The "bullshit jobs" have more job security than the "opponents" of the AI community because of this.
Another deliciously sweet irony of it all.
>You seethe,
I do not, I just want a shitshow.
>but that diversity hire at Blizzard is the least likely to get fired under such a scenario.
Ok, that would make me seethe immensely.
>Ok, that would make me seethe immensely.
They were hired FOR the human face and familiarity to an otherwise cold corporation. The "bullshit jobs" have more job security than the "opponents" of the AI community because of this.
You seethe, but that diversity hire at Blizzard is the least likely to get fired under such a scenario.
Eventually, AI will get restricted behind every single subscription paywall imaginable
You will own nothing and you will be happy
The opposite will happen. AI will be completely free and open and no one will pay for it.
NOOOO!!!! STOP USING AI TO REPLACE US! WE ARE VICTIMS! PLEASE BUY OUR GAME REFUGEE SIMULATOR YOU DISGUSTING WHITE HETERO MALES!!!
Nice try but the biggest AI shills are third world countries with nothing to lose, trying to get a piece of the cake. The scared ones are the white males in first world countries. They currently have the cake but that's being threatened
honestly, AAA should be filled with nothing but AI making money and only money. That means things like Unity and Unreal will get funded and new competition will arise offering more and more streamlined tools to make games. Ironically we'll be back to the golden age of vidya making.
>hetero
nah, I'm into twinks
>rhat's enough posting for now. Now what do I have in my Steam library or executables directory?
>hire women and brown people
>they still steal from The White Man to do their ""work""
sad!
ChatGPT can already code basic games like Snake game. It won’t be long until programmers and code monkeys start getting phased out.
Yeah, because github is filled with snakes, tetris and flappy bird clones. Now try asking it to write even something as basic as Oblivion mod that shows a text message on game's start.
You can quite easily ask ChatGPT to generate a textbox with whatever you want in it before the game starts.
>tried oblivion and risk of rain 2, it actually did
>then tried my work language and then it did it too
That's... surprising. I guess it is time to integrate it into my workflow.
Idiots see this and think he's blowing air but he's not. He's actually lowballing.
We can already generate images, and voice, scripts, and crude animations, in the next 10 years we'll have feature length movies generated via basic prompts.
"Dark Souls the movie directed by Paul Verhoeven in 1987, 133min runtime"
You're not wrong but it might be shit lol. It's hard to imagine it being good but damn, big corp is literally training gigantic "world models" trained on video/sound/text/images right now so movies will be a thing this year or next year.
Oh the first couple generations of this shit are 100% generated to be uncanny awful trash, but the way these models work is they have one AI training itself to generate this shit, and another AI training itself to detect and point out the shit the other one generated from the pile of source media. So as one gets better at generating AI slop the other one gets better at detecting what makes something seems like AI, then it uses that detection method as part of the generation model for the next generation. Its how they've already gotten so good. Used to be you just look at the hands and you could immediately tell it was AI, now AI is already pretty good at hands so you have to look elsewhere.
Yeah, AI checking AIs is coming. GPT-4 and Dall-E already do this but it'll be significantly more advanced in the coming years. Not only will base models improve but there will be supplemental models improving their outputs.
This is a good video if anyone wants to learn more about AI
This is the reason I hate AI, mongoloids like you before AI rolled in needed an artist to draw their generic "big tiddies anime girl xd" pic, now you can do it for free, plebs and brainlets like yourself dont deserve this privilegies because soon enough the internet is flooded by your crap, just like the advent of modern internet ruined the internet itself allowing moronic normies in, every coom art page I visit is drowned in low effort unimaginative garbage like the trash you just posted
feels good man
I know, isn't it beautiful?
Based. For me it's FFT and elves. There aren't enough elves on the internet and FFT art is rare.
>it's been 2 years already
>cant generate shit because there is not enough pics from which to steal pieces for the Frankstein
I just wanted pics of princess Morbucks fuuuuuug
>>cant generate shit because there is not enough pics from which to steal pieces for the Frankstein
Bro?
Why do I feel this does not work unless you fiddle with it for hours on end
You're dumb. It just works.
>It just works.
>no mouth
>missing fingers
I removed the mouth along with a giant dick to make it sfw. This one had a naked dude with a huge dick in the back
>missing fingers
in that position the ring and pinky dont need to be visible
>no mouth
he edited out the magnum dong she was choking on
Also you moron
>left has 4 fingers
>right has 3
trick question, Pomni has only FOUR fingers!
nice
the hand is fricked up too, was there a giant dick before you had to censor?
anyway
does NAI have a monthly plan, cause it's gonna be hard to go back to pay per gen after getting used to pooping out hundreds of images on a whim
The hand was fine but I ruined it removing the man. It's $25 a month.
>It's $25 a month.
that's about the same as MidJ... it's not a bad deal at all for infinite cooms, but I want to use it to make manga
>it's not a bad deal
yes it is you moron jfc
You're right. It should $24.99.
I've worked with SD for months, it is.
But only if you plan to make money with it, as I do.
>Try to make manga
>It comes out as generic slop unless you specify artist name
>If you do all those nips will obliterate you for using that artist name in your proompts
Please proceed it will be very funny
Eh, twatter is only filled with trend chasing FotM shite anyway.
Why do people just assume anything created by AI is shit?
They hate art and humanity and are moronic.
Bots are humanity now?
Bots are extensions of ourselves.
I guess diversity hires and Indian tech support are also an extension of me and you.
Who are these "people", did you poll every single one of them and have they signed consent forms for you to speak for them?
Friendly reminder that any statement with the form "Why do ___ do ___" is full of shit.
Why something made by something who didn't even bother to learn anything could be good?
>Why something made by something who didn't even bother to learn anything could be good?
????
Did you even read what you wrote?
Damn, b***h, this isn't a race, take sec to proofread.
Ask your AI to parse it for you
Bitch, use ai first yourself then, ESL mumble fricker.
why do old women seethe at yougn girls???
>ai = hot new plastic b***h
>artgays = old busted fatties
AI works in some places and less in others. For example, I'm sceptical of the merits of pure text-to-speed AI voice acting, even in the long term when the tech is less primitive than it is now. Ultimately if you want a good performance you need fine control over timing, intonation, emotional stress, etc - and the most efficient way to achieve that is just to have someone read the line correctly. I can still see plenty of room for AI in the process, not in text-to-speech but speech-to-speech: taking a well delivered voice line and tweaking its characteristics, like having the same delivery reproduced in a different accent so that the actor can just focus on the performance instead of having to concentrate on maintaining a fake accent - or even transposing a different voice altogether, so that in a game like Skyrim you can give each NPC a unique voice while still sharing voice actors, instead of walking up to an NPC and thinking "Oh hey, it's GruffOlderMale again".
On the other hand, I think machine translation really will make mincemeat of a lot of localisation work currently done by humans, especially in languages that are difficult to translate like Japanese. It'll probably allow writers to maintain much closer control of their translations because they can feed their script in and get something straight back, and not need to wait weeks while wondering if they'll get an honest translation or if some self-important weeaboos will take it upon themselves to "correct" the intended meaning. And for general proofreading I think it can also make a big difference - very soon (if not already) there should be no excuse for a game written by ESLs to have weird sentence structure, punctuation, etc, when AI is perfectly capable of touching it up for them.
>always been shit at drawing
>wanted to draw lewd shit but could never get good at it
>AI lets me create shit for myself for the first time ever
The only thing I will admit is that I am still jealous of people who can create themselves with no help, but goddamn if it isn't cool as frick.
>metal/punk groupie Rouge
More please.
thank you for saving hours of some poor sap's life drawing this shit
you're welcome, why the hell should I ask or pay someone to draw my dumb ideas, they have better shit to do. Its why I wanted to draw.
sorry a lot of the variations I got are too lewd to post, this is the only other sfw one.
>them boobs
beautiful
>NEVER IMPROVE!
>REE.I
it's too late, he's a PROMPT ENGINEER now
we all have our paths to travel
>The only thing I will admit is that I am still jealous of people who can create themselves with no help
meh, you can learn it, it's neither difficult nor complex. Talent is a meme and blender is free, and a drawing tablet is like 70$.
still neat.
I dunno man, Ive been drawing with pencil and paper for my entire life, and even made one last big push last year and bought a screen tablet to practice, still don't think I ever got to a point where I felt "good." Im not that upset over it, not like it was my dream. Im comfortable recognizing that Im just mediocre and moving on.
in all honesty I think in the long run artists are still going to be needed, even if AI gets adopted as a tool (like to generate starting points for artists to make legal adaptations of).
But I agree shits gonna be bad now and in the near future.
>I dunno man, Ive been drawing with pencil and paper for my entire life, and even made one last big push last year and bought a screen tablet to practice, still don't think I ever got to a point where I felt "good." Im not that upset over it, not like it was my dream. Im comfortable recognizing that Im just mediocre and moving on
Find a tutorial that teaches you how to draw 3d shapes on a 2d plane, then just string them along to form a body. It really isn't all that different from playing with legos at that point.
or just prompt and make better art faster
I'm not telling you not to. But learning their trade in the fraction of the time will make them seethe more.
Think that artists will become "fixers",where they will fix or add stuff to an already generated image to be more in line with what was the initial vision
depressing thought, glorified monkeys
I think that will be an expectation of artists in some cases, but not what all their time is spent on. Though Im probably being overly optimistic.
Hey, drawgay here, in a way I envy you.
You got handed this ai shit before spending ~10 years learning to draw.
I don't regret being an artist, but looks like a professional career is going to be nigh on impossible, at this rate.
It was pretty much impossible before, also you are a b***h bending the knee like this towards mouth breathing tards that quite literally destroyed your future so just generic coomshit can exist, you a traitor.
t. profesional artist
>t. profesional artist
Not for long.
>he thinks he can steal my market
Feels good not to be an anime plebian.
t. Portrait and landscape artist that charges 7k a pop for two weeks work
>t. Portrait and landscape artist that charges 7k a pop for two weeks work
The camera already stole your market decades ago. You got lucky and found some snobs to pay you 7k a pop for that "authentic" portrait. How does it feel knowing that a mid-tier smartphone camera and a few filters can mimic your "work" in under an hour.
>stole your market
>I have more orders than I can finish
Seethe weeb, im elite and you flip burguers for a living, I just dont like brainlets like you to be handed this powers, you are worthy for you are a souless tasteless peasant
>ignores the snob part
Heh, like pottery.
That shit's not painted on canvas so it's ultimately considered worthless. The dudes paying big bucks for those paintings are paying for genuine oil paintings and shit they can display in their living room, office, etc. to showcase their wealth. Nobody's going to pay that much for a picture you took with your phone and printed off on standard letter paper after throwing in some filters.
https://en.thevalue.com/articles/first-ai-generated-artwork-sold
Art auctions are just money laundering so no surprise
Key word: first.
It's the first piece of AI generated artwork to go up for auction so obviously you've got collectors scrambling to get their hands on what's basically a piece of history. You're not going to be regularly selling that shit for thousands of dollars, especially if the market becomes flooded with them (in which case, oh shit. The demand for and price of actually hand painted oil paintings will sky rocket)
>That shit's not painted on canvas so it's ultimately considered worthless.
By whomst?
>The dudes paying big bucks for those paintings are paying for genuine oil paintings and shit they can display in their living room, office, etc.
>he doesn't know about the tax evasion of "art"
>Nobody's going to pay that much for a picture you took with your phone and printed off on standard letter paper after throwing in some filters.
They are not supposed to. That's the point.
Its also brand name, my works are 7k more or less, a Santos's piece goes for 25k and more and I have the same level as him, ssme reason furgays pay 2k for a MilesDF piece when there is Hispanic caballeros that do better and for not even 10% the price tag, elite art will always be a luxury item therefore impervious to dangers like dirty masses taking too much space
He's just a user, he didn't create ai nor will be responsible for the future to come, anymore than you or me.
another artist here.
you're a moron.
if you're saying
>i will never use AI
then yes, it will be impossible. but if you use it yourself, then there will still be opportunities in the field. as an artists, if you really get used to AI, you'll still be much better than the average prompttard. some of the fundamentals and your artistic eye will still carry through.
the truth of the matter is the more you want to guide the AI, the more skill you need.
shadiversity is the best example of this. a good artist would never made this, AI or not.
without skills, the more you guide the AI, the worse it will be compared to what the AI would just generate unguided.
and that's the kind of skill that will be required of future artists.
let's not pretend as if commercial art jobs aren't soulless slop anyway (people have said this for ages).
this makes the entire profession much more interesting imo.
Gas yourself doodleBlack person, you are obsolete
I suppose I shoudl really learn it, been meaning to.
It just feels... lame.
I don't feel any satisfaction in creating an ai image, but I know I should just treat it as a job to "increase workflow" and all that shit.
It's a living.
Is it just me or are AI images similar to photobashing, which has been an industry standard for concept art for a while now?
Time stamped. There's a huge difference.
thats a pretty compelling experiment, though Im not totally convinced as I have seen my own generations look very similar to an existing drawing, as if it were traced from it. Still something for me to think about though, it could have been placebo and not actually the same at all.
>as I have seen my own generations look very similar to an existing drawing
post them
Photobashing typically isn't the final shipped result. Artists can dictate when a piece of detail is unimportant (eg unfinished brush strokes, texture brushes, etc) and when something is meant to be done by hand.
Your average AI prompt does not have this level of intent behind it and operates under the assumption that nothing is important unless you explicitly go in.
They're basically opposite approaches.
AI looks better.
Photobashed art typically isn't meant to be viewed outside a studio. Eg. concept art. It's meant to be one of many iterations made within the dev team in the context of the game itself.
Also AI kinda sucks horrendously for backgrounds that are meant to actually be used for anything so it's hard to believe your opinion is genuine. But if your opinion is true (I don't believe anyone actually likes noneuclidean perspective), then that's fair, art is subjective.
From what I understand photobashing is just smacking images together ,meanwhile AI learned how images look and can make new variations based on that
yes and no
it's most close to looking at a bunch of ref images and making an original image in that style... which previously was possible only for humans. it is mimicking the way our brain works, though not intentionally
It's mimicking a lobotomized brain, its devoid of context or vision unless you put in serious effort to steer it yourself.
It's not a 1:1 parallel, the AI flaws are very obvious not the kind a human would make for example. (girl drinks from sock-glass hybrid cup)
you think when a person draws they do not use context or vision?
yes it cannot think, only IMAGINE
kinda creepy... soulless you night say....
it has "vision" on what it itself is making. in fact it has cross attention on it together with the prompt.
meaning it has an understanding on what token correspond to what pattern in the image, and even how parts of the image should be in relation to other parts of the image.
that's a good boy
>though not intentionally
Neural nets are intentional recreations of our brains. Not a perfect model, but it is a model.
It has vision.
>It has vision.
No, it has prompts. It's "like a human" but more lobotomized, less likely to leave its training data, you'd need to try really hard to do so.
If you want to embrace the generative flaws and call it a style, sure. But if it had its own vision you wouldn't need to inpaint, mix and match models, or prompt as particularly as you do.
That's not what I said.
It has vision. You can interrogate images. It also needs to see what it's drawing to draw it.
https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/vision
The problem is that it isn't very smart so you get weird flaws, but as models get better those flaws get lesser and lesser.
By "vision" I meant understanding of the surrounding goal, not the specific GPT API reference, lol
>back peddling to a semantics 'argument'
That's just what I meant to begin with. Are you baiting? GPT Vision is basically analyzing a png. Not the same concept.
can you seriously not watch a video at least, c'mon
here, a video with no math
no. it is exactly how AI does NOT work. and why so many people are misinformed and consider AI stealing.
if i have to explain it, this is actually more accurate:
>it is hallucinating something out of a very blurry image. something that looks close to what the prompt says.
>it keeps hallucinating until things become clearer and clearer and the entire image emerges.
and it can do this because it has seen many images in training, because how images can look in various degrees of "bluriness" (noisyness).
this is a very simplistic explanation btw. and only on the inference part of AI.
Hey that's a cute anime girl.
I might be moronic but i fail to see how using AI for code can lead to ethical issues.
they heckin stole muh code
Honestly I haven't found it useful so far.
I'm not sure what these people are smoking, it gives me code that compiles that just doesn't follow any logic prior. The best use case was turning it off. People basedjak whenever GPT solves a Calculus problem but never talk about the 99% of times it fails.
Also, I guess if you want to go conspiracy, Microsoft has access to everyone's git repository, if it overfits that can be dangerous and break a few licenses.
You sound worried, but worry not it will get better with time and then you will be jobless and happy
I mean, you can appropriate personality traits if you want, I'm not sure what kind of response you want out of this.
Nothing I just enjoy code monkeys suffering