You know, with how people have reacted to the characters in Elden Ring, they should honestly just make a companion option for the next game. Make it so you can take on certain npcs as partners where you can customize their loadout and stats. The Mimic was the best summon in Elden Ring, so run with that concept, and flesh it out. I'm sure anyone would be happy to go through the game with a knight bro, or their battle waifu.
You're supposed to be an incel, it wouldn't make sense for you to have this harem to choose from. Instead you choose between a troony and a sex doll, though there's a couple prostitutes/gamer girls you can befriend along the way.
>it wouldn't make sense for you to have this harem to choose from
Yeah, I know. I get that it's part of the story. I'm saying whatever their next game is should use that idea though.
Why couldn't we have gotten a Melina at all, that shows up during the actual journey and talks about something else than what someone else said a bajillion years ago.
Like, shit dude, the fact a comedy manga actually makes her presence more noticeable through gags is just sad.
>agency
Literally the only thing she does in the game is occasionally show up to help you, she has no agency. Do you think the way for a character to show agency is to just simply not be present at all?
Her character (like many others) is clearly unfinished, there's a silverlining tho with Fromsoft talking alot about how they want to keep supporting ER in the years to come, so they might update storylines and shit
>薪女
reeee why is a female character with agency and not a uwu waifu
lmao you don't know what agency means, she's barely a character in game
What are the chances of them eventually adding the option to go into the next NG without upping the difficulty? I really don't care for "health values go big" as a difficulty modifier and I'm working my way through NG+1 right now, but I'll eventually need to do NG+2 for the Nepheli Puppet and NG+3 for the "perfect run" where I complete every questline successfully. I hear NG+4 is where health values get so bloated that it's just unfun, but I worry they'll add some kind of story changes that will make another NG+ round needed to get all content.
I just fricking hate this thing Souls games do with NG+. It just isn't fun.
I can't believe a game so clearly unfinished could not be considered still in beta
Because the game was released severely unfinished in the story department. To the point where even updates and DLC won't be able to complete it
This is a misconception. A lot of the cut content was cut for a reason, they thought they were giving out to much information, they retconned the story in development etc.
Sometimes they wanted to try something but weren't able to figure out how to make it work, that kind of stuff usually ends up being used in subsequent games.
Stuff like Asimi's quest and Kale's were removed because of lore reasons.
1 year ago
Anonymous
that's just like your opinion man
1 year ago
Anonymous
Explain to me how Hyetta's shitty quest was so much better than Kale's that it needed to be removed
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because it gives away too much about Merchants, the Three Fingers, Shabriri, Chaos etc. and they want to keep things misterious so that people speculate?
Seems pretty obvious to me. That's why item descriptions change in patches after release too, for example.
that's just like your opinion man
No, it's a clear pattern that you can observe in all From games.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This. Hyetta's quest leads you to the same location but does so through the eyes (heh) of an NPC who is as unaware as you are about what's going on. She, like you, doesn't realize the true purpose of her quest until she reaches her destination and you can discover details about the merchants and their relation to the Three Fingers through some dialog, some item descriptions, etc.
Finding the enemies and corpses down there and all of the instruments that the merchants play was haunting as frick. It wouldn't have been nearly as impactful if we knew what to expect because Kale told us about the massacre en route.
1 year ago
Anonymous
yes, and you know what else is a pattern in all from games? time constraints and rushed deadlines. mysteries have their uses but fromsoftware can be very clearcut when they want to be. there's nothing about the merchants, vyke and and asimi that does not fit the narrative told in the game's world.
This. Hyetta's quest leads you to the same location but does so through the eyes (heh) of an NPC who is as unaware as you are about what's going on. She, like you, doesn't realize the true purpose of her quest until she reaches her destination and you can discover details about the merchants and their relation to the Three Fingers through some dialog, some item descriptions, etc.
Finding the enemies and corpses down there and all of the instruments that the merchants play was haunting as frick. It wouldn't have been nearly as impactful if we knew what to expect because Kale told us about the massacre en route.
as you said there's already plenty of ints of the merchants being ostracized in the game, from what Kalé tells us to their item descriptions, so why is it wrong to have the characters themselves learn and explore their history with us?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's just...not the style of storytelling they do in FROM games, or at least the Soulslikes. It's intentional. It's okay if you don't enjoy it, this just isn't meant to be that kind of game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
sekiro isn't their style of storytelling?
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not a Soulslike.
1 year ago
Anonymous
First of all Miyazaki has been famously quoted for saying that usually alternates between a game with a more streamlined narrative and a game with a more ambiguous one, or something similar to this. Second, even in games like Sekiro there's still a lot of space that they leave to interpretation because that's just what they prefer.
I like it, knowing too much makes things not interesting anymore. Meanwhile you can pick up these games many times and never get tired of them because you will always reflect on things you encounter, even the 10th time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are not wrong, I said most of the content is cut for those reasons, not all. Saying the stuff we mentioned was cut because of time is doing From an injustice, though.
>here's nothing about the merchants, vyke and and asimi that does not fit the narrative told in the game's world.
It's not that it doesn't fit, it's that it gives away too much information and makes things too clear cut for the intent of the creators.
Unfinished, always unfinished. Every From title is the same shit. Have they learned nothing from all these past decades of making games? Why not, you know, manage your own fricking expectations when developing a game? A triple AAA studio shouldn't be this incompetent.
I get the impression that Miyazaki wanted Melina and the PC to have a more personal, human relationship. But then he realized he doesn't know how to do that.
Or maybe he realized it wouldn't make much sense for Melina to have a close relationship with the player character no matter who they were, considering how many options the games gives you to dress and act like a fricking cretin.
I think that she was suppose to be tied to some ending were Marika wins, but it got cut probably because they didn't think people would visit all the churches
I hate Ranni more than Melina. Melina had the potential to be the first, REAL companion of these games. Something different from the “You are traveling alone in a decaying world of monsters” trope that this company falls back on. But they didn’t do that.
I love Ranni to death, but I will not stop seething at Melina's wasted potential. Why couldn't we have any quests about her? Develop her relationship? Her an hero'ing at Giants was already poignant, imagine how hard that would have hit if you'd already done quests and explored her backstory.
>before release: wow melina looks like an important character >after release: melina shows up once while ranni has a long quest involving multiple bosses, area and an iconic weapon
>pre-release interviews make it a big deal of how melina is her own independant character with her own goals >this does not matter since we don't get to know her, only marika >her goal just meant looking for her own purpose which was to serve us all along >her lack of character and convictions make her departure and later sacrifice feel meaningless
also what was that about choosing to journey with her in the beginning? why give us the choice in the release version if that just meant not getting access to the roundtable hold, torrent or the level up system? might as well have removed it all together
You can't even finish the game without accepting Melina's accord, once you reach Morgott you're just completely walled until you do accept her.
Melina might be fricking top 5 most wasted characters in videogames. The only reason anyone even seems to care about her is because the community constantly wonders about what could have been, not because From actually gave a frick.
the most egregious thing about her is how there's lots of hints in the game that she's actually someone important, and yet the game would be the same if she didn't exist at all. i guess in that sense she's got a lot in common with DS2's emerald herald
Why couldn't we have gotten a Melina at all, that shows up during the actual journey and talks about something else than what someone else said a bajillion years ago.
Like, shit dude, the fact a comedy manga actually makes her presence more noticeable through gags is just sad.
Naming conventions
She seeks out the tarnished, Marika's revived warriors, and strengthens and guides them, even when the fingers themselves stop caring or don't know what to do
She has inherited memories from Marika
She knew where Maliketh was and why you needed to go beat his ass
She can only manifest in the immediate vicinity of sites of grace or the erdtree itself
The Erdtree is a physical manifestation of the Golden Order, and thus effectively a god. The Flame of Ruin is the only flame potent enough to burn it (the Flame of Frenzy works too, but that's a whole other can of worms), however because Marika removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring to establish the Golden Order, you need that rune to make the Flame actually burn the tree. Hence why you go to Farum Azula in search of Maliketh, so that you might finally open the path to the Elden Ring.
Melina isn't Marika but she represents Marika's will for most of the game and is the closest we get to understanding Marika as a result.
Basically both of them share the same underlining beliefs but Marika has the baggage of being the Queen b***h while Melina is isn't.
Melina is Godwyn's sister. That would complete the set of all of Marika's children being sets of contrasting twins, it would line up with Melina talking about her mother inside the Erdtree, and it would explain her condition (she's dead in body but alive in soul, while Godwyn is alive in body but dead in soul).
They're closed for very different reason's though. Ranni's soul doesn't fit in her doll quite right, while Melina's eye is sealed by Maliketh's beastclaw mark.
You know, with how people have reacted to the characters in Elden Ring, they should honestly just make a companion option for the next game. Make it so you can take on certain NPCs as partners where you can customize their loadout and stats. The Mimic was the best summon in Elden Ring, so run with that concept, and flesh it out. I'm sure anyone would be happy to go through the game with a knight bro, or their battle waifu.
>customize companion >complete their quest >opens up the option for the romance quest >which opens up a secret quest >secret quest is breeding >sexo sexo sexo sexo sexo
jokes aside, romance is a great way to create an attachment to the character
the reason you don't feel anything when elina burns herself is because you barely interacted with her
>customize companion >complete their quest >opens up the option for the romance quest >which opens up a secret quest >secret quest is breeding >sexo sexo sexo sexo sexo
jokes aside, romance is a great way to create an attachment to the character
the reason you don't feel anything when elina burns herself is because you barely interacted with her
That's pretty much what a pawn is in Dragon's Dogma, though you cannot romance your pawn for stupid story reasons even though there's also part of the story about another arisen who was in love with his pawn. I think that's one thing a lot of fans want from DD2.
Yeah, that's what I meant by there's part of the story about another arisen who did love his pawn. And it only doesn't work out for contrived story reasons. But really, the ending is gay as frick. The pawn replaces you, and literally cucks you from whomever you ended up with like it's the most natural thing in the world. That whole part of the story is dumb and no one will be sad if they don't continue it in DD2.
>Thats what pawnfricking does
Daimon didn't get fricked because he was romancing his pawn though, he got fricked because he found out his dragon was his previous mentor who he had also fallen in love with before. Then he started cursing the cycle in front of it while the dragon was waiting for him to say whether he accepted to deal so he got monkey paw'd.
>though you cannot romance your pawn for stupid story reasons
It was weird how they handled that. >"I made a pawn with big breasts. Can I frick her?" >"No, pawns don't understand love and never want to frick." >go to the fricking woods >there's a little goth pawn that looks like a 12 year old girl living in a shack >if you're nice to her for five minutes her panties get boiling and she professes her undying love for you (and your wiener)
She even moves into your house and watches while you frick Mercedes, it's weird.
It is different, pawns are below humans in the chain. It goes Seneschal>Human>Pawn, your Pawn hasn't received a soul from a human yet so it has no desires or feelings, it just acts according to your will.
Pawns should be given a soul and life from getting loved and impregnated. That would be KINO. And have a bad end where they become a soulless killing machine if you treat them like shit.
>create big titty pawn >she becomes (you) except for the voice in the end
Why? Surely everyone adventured with a pawn of the opposite sex to their character for the contrast.
they could have made her create a stronger bond with your character
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That's pretty much what a pawn is in Dragon's Dogma, though you cannot romance your pawn for stupid story reasons even though there's also part of the story about another arisen who was in love with his pawn. I think that's one thing a lot of fans want from DD2.
This shit is so cheap. Not in line with FROM ethos.
These people probably have the grossest mouths since they can’t really find the time to brush their teeth. Hell they probably sink like literal death, considering how many times you get splashed with liters gallons of blood.
She should have shoved up more often at least, I feel like I saw her reasonably often in Limgrave, and then just she fricked off until I got to the big lift
I summoned her for Morgott for shits and giggles thinking I'll try it out and 100% get killed since it's my first time fighting him so no harm no foul.
I ended up one shotting him because she's a fricking tank
Not a mod, the headpiece is from the electric knights, and the chest and greaves are from the goat knight you kill in one of the volcano manor missions.
>Black Souls is only relevant by piggybacking the real Souls series
Begone, eroge movietards. I'm sick of seeing Alicesoft's unpaid pajeets shilling this """""vidya""""" aggressively here.
It gets slightly better later but at least at the start the immense majority of jokes were just the same regurgitated jokes every damn Elden Ring comic and animation already did of "The Tarnished is dumb and doesn't know what's up, so he's gonna attack Varre for being rude, try to greet the Tree Sentinel and get rekt, complain he's getting lore dumps and get mocked because he's a naked pariah". It was a tiresome start and Aseo is not a fun character. Also him joining Patches' gang means his interactions with Patches are completely different from what's fun about Patches, which is that he tricks people then immediately presents himself as an innocent samaritan to save his hide. Instead it's just... Patches insults him because Aseo is dumdum lol.
Thankfully the Ranni crew have been fun so far, Melina is fun whenever she's not just repeating the "I'm gonna level your Int" joke for the fifth time, and everything in Stormveil castle has been pretty good. I just slightly resent that they turned Blaidd into an actual simp that treats Ranni like a pop idol instead of his sister but at least the joke of a fandom war with Darriwill and Melina being the one to beat him was funny.
Well you can keep her from sacrificing herself while also not going frenzy flame ending which SHOULD save her, it's just the narration doesn't address anything about it and leaves it as an undeveloped plot point.
Nah, the actual problem is that you CAN save her. She just doesn't have content for it. It's so stupid. At least an actual plotpoint of how you can't save her no matter what could have potentially been some tragikino if it was well handled, but it's not even that, you're just fricked no matter what and not in a tragic way, just in a stupid way.
But WHY is it her lifes purpose? What about her makes the fire suddenly burn down Leyndell? You can't know because her only dialogue doesn't even involve her as a character
The Erdtree is a physical manifestation of the Golden Order, and thus effectively a god. The Flame of Ruin is the only flame potent enough to burn it (the Flame of Frenzy works too, but that's a whole other can of worms), however because Marika removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring to establish the Golden Order, you need that rune to make the Flame actually burn the tree. Hence why you go to Farum Azula in search of Maliketh, so that you might finally open the path to the Elden Ring.
I'm not the original anon. Melina needed to discern her own purpose, and she seems to be an unintended demigod offspring of Marika, if not an offshoot of Marika herself the same way Millicent is an offshoot of Malenia. Melina exists bodiless and virtually powerless, only able to act on her own within close proximity of the Erdtree, and her "mother".
Choosing to become kindling is an action taken of her own decision, her own life, independent of Marika.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Unintended? Melina clearly states that her purpose was given to her by her mother. Marika knew exactly what she was doing.
>finally do the traveling level-up Maiden they wanted for Dark Souls 1 >make her NOT sit at each bonfire with you
What's their fricking problem?
That would be cool, I agree. I think it would be even better if she spawned at the graces where she has optional dialogue so that you know something is up and you check your menu.
Eh, I don't think she's Marika. She's a daughter of Marika, likely an Empyrean, very possibly the Gloam Eyed Queen, which is why she references bringing Destined Death to the Tarnished in the Frenzied Flame ending. It's also why she guides the Tarnished to defeat Maliketh in order to reclaim the Rune of Death.
I think her penance is for working with the Godskins and that her references to being "burned" may imply that her own Black Flame was used to destroy her body.
She is the gloam eyed queen, that much is explicitly made clear. The gloam eyed queen who wielded the rune of death, despite it having been removed from the elden ring by Marika, and who had to be defeated by Maliketh, Marika's finger-shadow, not Marika herself. Do you get it?
Marika, Melina, and the GEQ are all the same person.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't agree with this take, personally. There are direct references that heavily imply Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen but the reaches you're doing to make her Marika seem like they're all external to the game's lore. You're basically saying "have you ever seen them in the same room together?!" and pointing to that as proof. Nothing in the text of the game -- at least that I'm aware of -- implies they're the same being.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How could Melina know Marika's innermost thoughts, such as her consternation over the growing dominance of "Radagon" within herself, if they were not the same person? Especially given that the GEQ was defeated and erased from the world all the way at the start of the golden order
1 year ago
Anonymous
She literally tells you, the words linger in the place. If she weren't in that place she wouldn't be able to hear them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's not how words work
I mean, she obviously wasn't erased from the world if she's guiding us through the game. Her body was destroyed and she doesn't have much influence anymore, which she explicitly tells us.
As far as "Marika's thoughts," she says this before each of those passages:
>Spoken echoes of Queen Marika linger here. Shall I share them with you?
She's not recalling something she personally said, she's repeating something that was said in the past that she can "feel" in the area. Yeah, you could say she's lying about that or somehow unaware, but again to me that's a huge stretch.
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My brain can't parse what you're trying to say here. I do think Melina is Marika's daughter -- in fact, I don't think there's anything ambiguous about that. I don't think Melina IS Marika.
>I mean, she obviously wasn't erased from the world if she's guiding us through the game
Sorry I was being dramatic. I mean the GEQ isn't mentioned again in any context after the GO was established, yet Melina, who we know is the GEQ, knows about really specific and personal lore details regarding Marika from after that point. This only really tracks if all three characters are bound. >she's repeating something that was said in the past that she can "feel" in the area.
Sure, but some of the things she says in this context is stuff Marika was early saying only to herself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>That's not how words work
Yeah not shit, in our world. We're talking about a Fantasy world.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Again, just think about how far you're taking this line of thought. "Melina can hear Marika's thoughts" -- if we assume that's what's happening -- is a very far cry from "Melina is Marika." You're taking massive logical leaps to get to that conclusion. No one else in the community thinks that's the case, insofar as I'm aware. You have no actual text from the game to support your theory. This is "Squall is Dead" tier stuff.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No one else in the community thinks that's the case,
Well they can go to hell. Marika and Melina are both deeply tied to the tarnished, share the same memories (including very obscure and secret lore), are personally associated with Maliketh (remember, the REAL purpose of shadow beasts are to keep their "masters" in line), have the same goals and motivations which no other character or faction in the game follows, are both directly tied to grace, and even have almost the same name. The implications are very obvious.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Marika and Melina are both deeply tied to the tarnished
As are many other characters in the game
>share the same memories (including very obscure and secret lore)
As mentioned, you literally made that up. Melina being aware of things Marika has said does not go so far as to say they "share the same memories."
>are personally associated with Maliketh
Melina, if we assume she's the Gloam Eyed Queen, is associated with Maliketh in the fact that HE DEFEATED HER when she was going around killing demigods and Marika ordered the Rune of Death sealed. In this instance, they seem to be at odds with one another (which isn't impossible with Radagon as a factor, but still does nothing to associate them so closely as to call them one and the same.)
>have the same goals and motivations which no other character or faction in the game follows
Be specific here. And even then, Melina specifically states that she is acting on Marika's will out of penance. This does nothing to make them the same being.
>are both directly tied to grace
So is every Tarnished.
>even have almost the same name
So do half the characters in the game. Maliketh sounds closer to Marika than Melina. Radagon sounds NOTHING like Marika yet is canonically her male counterpart. This is not evidence of anything.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>As are many other characters in the game
Not to anywhere near the same degree. She's the only character in the game who seeks them out, the only one who enpowers them, the only one that travels with them, and the only one who offers any advice or guidance other than "idk get great runes lmao". >you literally made that up
No I didn't. Again, some of the things that Melina recites are clearly to only a habdful of people or even just herself. She also knows about the efficacy of the flame of ruin and the location of the rune of death. >In this instance, they seem to be at odds with one another
Yes, except for two important details. First, it makes no sense that Marika would not have at least participated in that fight, and more importantly, Marika was the one who pulled the rune of death from the elden ring, so how did the GEQ have it before her defeat by Maliketh? I suppose she could have stolen it, but that's not stated anywhere and seems improbable if they were distinct and antagonistic beings at the time. >Be specific here.
They both want to destroy the elden beast and end the golden order as it currently exists, not out of a spiritual hatred of the greater will or out of personal ambition, but to allow for an end to the countless wars and to re-establish the normal cycles of life and death for the people of the lands between. >And even then, Melina specifically states that she is acting on Marika's will out of penance.
Sure. But what does she have to feel guilty about, if she is not Marika?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't have the energy to argue with you anymore. We'll have to agree to disagree. Still, nothing you attempt to bring up (much of which still just kind of ignores aspects of what I pointed out, since you clipped most of my arguments short) has any actual textual lore to support it.
Enjoy your headcanon, you'll probably be the only one doing so. You clearly saw something literally no one else in the thousands of people who care about this shit has managed to see.
As an olive branch, in spite of my snark, I offer you this Accord.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Very well. Like Gold Mask, I suppose I am cursed to carry my divine intellect alone, until I am slain by pseuds who can't handle the brilliance of my huge fricking brain
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, she obviously wasn't erased from the world if she's guiding us through the game. Her body was destroyed and she doesn't have much influence anymore, which she explicitly tells us.
As far as "Marika's thoughts," she says this before each of those passages:
>Spoken echoes of Queen Marika linger here. Shall I share them with you?
She's not recalling something she personally said, she's repeating something that was said in the past that she can "feel" in the area. Yeah, you could say she's lying about that or somehow unaware, but again to me that's a huge stretch.
Unless Melina is Marika's daughter, that doesn't make a lick of sense for her to be the Gloam-Eyed/Dusk-Eyed Queen that was Marika's rival for being made Empyrean and ruler of the lands before the Age of the Golden Order started.
My brain can't parse what you're trying to say here. I do think Melina is Marika's daughter -- in fact, I don't think there's anything ambiguous about that. I don't think Melina IS Marika.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What about Melina as the Gloam-Eyed Queen's daughter?
1 year ago
Anonymous
There's no indication, as far as I know, that the Gloam Eyed Queen had a daughter. Also, her character is literally called "DaughterOfMarika" in the game data, so it's possible but doesn't seem likely.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Unless Melina is Marika's daughter, that doesn't make a lick of sense for her to be the Gloam-Eyed/Dusk-Eyed Queen that was Marika's rival for being made Empyrean and ruler of the lands before the Age of the Golden Order started.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Perhaps Marika assimilated the GEQ the same way she assimilated Radagon. She did tell Radagon that he hadn't "become" her yet, which wouldn't make sense of they were originally the same person instead of at some point becoming one.
Because it was given to her by her mother and she embraces it. That's how the Elden Ring universe works, characters are driven by Fate, it's a big part of the narrative you bother to pay attention. By taking that away from her you are doing her wrong.
You think you are her saviour but you are taking away her raison d'etre, even if you're not going for the Chaos ending she still cannot be happy about that, expecting her to be grateful is moronic.
Because it was given to her by her mother and she embraces it. That's how the Elden Ring universe works, characters are driven by Fate, it's a big part of the narrative you bother to pay attention. By taking that away from her you are doing her wrong.
You think you are her saviour but you are taking away her raison d'etre, even if you're not going for the Chaos ending she still cannot be happy about that, expecting her to be grateful is moronic.
No it isn't. She didn't even fricking think about having to do that until she was in front of the Erdtree. She even gives you a big speech of "Thank you for helping me reach here, this was my purpose, now my duty is finished" when you reach Leyndell, then she has to come back to you again and ask for one more journey because she's been wienerblocked at the last second but then remembers she can burn the Erdtree.
The whole "This was her purpose, she wanted to be kindling, that's why Marika created her" bullshit is just a stupid speedreader cope from people that can't accept the game is blatantly unfinished. She just had to help Tarnished reach inside the Erdtree, everything else was just methods to do so.
Keep being a moron and expressing yourself like a ghetto jogger, I'm sure people will take your opinions seriously.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's a whole fricking load of hot air you're blowing there without actually saying anything. Keep coping.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The only one without an argument is you. You clearly didn't play the game or are too stupid to understand it if you deny what was said in the posts you quoted. Everything is in the game, the game contradicts your narrative and everyone can see that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Melina doesn't want you to save her because she thinks it's her duty to commit suicide! >But when you reach Leyndell she thought she had already fulfilled her duty and it's only once she realizes she still can't do it that she comes up on her own with burning the Erdtree. >I... but... um... y-you're moronic! No argument! Shut up, stop contradicting me!
Cope harder.
And even if your stupid made up narrative was right, it still doesn't excuse that saving her then purging the flame literally just removes her from the game without further explanation. No resolution where she says what she thinks of it, no further encounters.
The game.
Is fricking.
Unfinished.
1 year ago
Anonymous
NTA. I agree with you that she didn't know she'd be burned when the journey started, but I don't get this bit:
>And even if your stupid made up narrative was right, it still doesn't excuse that saving her then purging the flame literally just removes her from the game without further explanation. No resolution where she says what she thinks of it, no further encounters.
She's already decided you're beyond saving at that point. She tells you point blank that you're "unfit" once you inherit the flame, and warns you against it a bunch beforehand:
>You... have inherited the Frenzied Flame. A pity. You are no longer fit. Our journey together ends here. And remember... Should you rise as the Lord of Chaos, I will kill you, as sure as night follows day. Such is my duty, for allowing you the strength of runes. Goodbye, my companion. Goodbye, Torrent...
She even notes that you may not actually reach the Frenzied Flame ending, but that she wants nothing to do with you regardless. From her point of view, you're irrevocably tainted. The lore is absolutely there to support her no longer showing up at that point. There are a lot of small aspects of the game that feel unfinished but this isn't one of them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She's not doing it because she has to, she's doing it because she's decided that's what she wants to do. >There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition. >I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs. >I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you.
I'm going to say again that you shouldn't be calling anyone else "speed reader"
Aight, guess she can kill herself for no reason then. Literally zero reason. Nothing. Nada. The game just revolves around a character who decides to kill herself because she just felt like it. The great writing of Elden Ring: "And then she felt like killing herself and not seeing the world she wanted to save because. The end."
I guess I'll leave you guys to enjoy your dung eating.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>gets proven wrong >gets b***hy about it
Bye bye, homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bruh, the flame to burn the Erdtree needs kindling. Your options are "have a nice day" which would undermine her whole purpose, "Kill Melina" which accomplishes her goal, or "Become a fricking Agent of Chaos and become capable of withstanding the flames," which, in her mind, is the worst possible outcome.
There was no way to realize the world she was working toward if the Erdtree didn't burn. There was no way for you to become Elden Lord if you burned. She didn't decide out of nowhere, she decided because it was necessary to accomplish what she wanted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
"Hey Melina, I have this needle here I got from beating the hardest boss in the game, if I use this we'll cuck the god of Chaos superhard we'll both survive, win-win."
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"You know, Mel, there's a way to burn the Erdtree without you dying and without me turning into a vessel for an outer god of chaos. Why can't we just do that?" >"Just because, okay?!"
You still house the Frenzied Flame if you use the needle, it just suppresses it.
>"Capable of subduing the flame of frenzy if inherited, allowing one to cheat fate and avoid becoming Lord of Frenzied Flame."
It still resides in you, which is why she abandons you. She says you are no longer fit to be Lord. Yes, you can go on to mend the Ring and become Elden Lord, but you're still tainted by the Frenzied Flame. She's not okay with that outcome and thus will no longer assist you. She directly tells you as much.
1 year ago
Anonymous
First, the item description is vague and says both that it's "just" subduing her, but also that you're actually for real cheating fate.
Second, she doesn't know that. She can't act on that information because she didn't even know the needle exists until you get it, and hse has no way to know exactly what it's doing to the flames. From her point of view, you just stick it in and fwoosh, they're gone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Even if we ran with that idea, you can't use the needle until after she abandons you anyway. She'd have no way to know (or reason to check) that you've suppressed it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Either she learns about it immediately through whatever means she has been keeping track of you during the whole journey (probably tied to the fact you've still got Torrent with you until the end) or she just simply shows up in the epilogue once you've become Elden Lord because at that point there's no damn excuse to not know anymore. You're literally the new lord of the land and it definitely doesn't seem to be burning.
The only ending where it makes sense that she would never appear again is Ranni's ending, and at that point she might as well hang herself because all her lack of faith in her companion did was leave her completely out of the ending, leave her completely without a purpose good or bad because she herself walked out of the story, and caused her companion to just go away forever with a new girl.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why would she show up after you become Lord though? She still views you as unfit. Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off? At this point you're just searching for reasons to be mad.
The game gives you two ways of progressing past the Forge. In both cases Melina leaves you. It's okay that this is the case and it makes sense within the context of the story. She only returns in Frenzied Flame ending to literally do what she told you she'd do when if you become the Lord of Chaos.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off?
Yeah. At the very least. Is the game actually fricking showing the consequences of my actions that much to ask for?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The consequence was her leaving you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's okay that this is the case and it makes sense within the context of the story.
No it doesn't. There's been a million arguments already for why it doesn't. All you fricking do is try to deflect into some other minor side point and then wait a bunch more posts to then declare "Btw it totally makes sense" again and hope no one addresses it this time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And every time someone explains why, you say, "Well she COULD have shown up at the end just to fricking make a comment or something." Like, yes, she could, but the story in the game makes it clear as to why she doesn't. If you pick up the Frenzied Flame, she tells you outright that you won't see her again. If you don't, she burns. There's nothing about her not showing up that doesn't make sense. It may not feel narratively satisfying for you, but it follows the logic of the story perfectly well.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Like, yes, she could, but the story in the game makes it clear as to why she doesn't.
No it doesn't, she makes several assumptions based on incomplete information. The game lets you prove her wrong. The game then completely skips out of showing how she reacts to the fact she was wrong. >It may not feel narratively satisfying for you
Nor to anyone but the absolute dumbest players with the lowest standards. Your fricking argument boils down to "Lmao you actually got invested in the game's story and wanted to see what happens to Melina, fricking loser".
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not satisfying to anyone. It's a path that leaves Melina with no resolution and she just disappears from the story, like an unpatched questline with no conclusion. The best anyone can do is shrug it off and say "Well, I guess she's still pissed off about it or something" and move on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why would she show up after you become Lord though? She still views you as unfit. Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off? At this point you're just searching for reasons to be mad.
The game gives you two ways of progressing past the Forge. In both cases Melina leaves you. It's okay that this is the case and it makes sense within the context of the story. She only returns in Frenzied Flame ending to literally do what she told you she'd do when if you become the Lord of Chaos.
I really don't get why you act like a mere small cutscene of Melina showing up when you sit on the throne to say either >You were right Tarnished, I'm sorry I ever doubted your intentions, I won't ever hesitate in supporting you again and I see now that my purpose will be to help you in your reign.
or >Tarnished, you're actually a fricking idiot and what you did was bad and here's why:
is such an impossibility and absurd to even ask for.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is a part of bigger question, where the frick are normal ending sequences? Why do then need to make more nonsensical and low effort cryptic shit like it's another fricking dark souls? It's not dark souls and its le cycle premise, it's completely new game with completely new story and world working on different principles, this has no place here. How the frick did they make such a huge game but didn't bother with anything resembling proper conclusion for it? Truly japs are allergic to very concept of ending for some reason.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off?
Sure, if nothing else it would be something to acknowledge that she still fricking exists. What is she doing otherwise after the end? Wandering around seething that you accomplished her goals in the wrong way? Or if she's looking for some chump to usurp you because you're impure, I wouldn't mind that being shown in some way.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It still would've been nice if she had something to say about the outcome, even if it was just saying that she doesn't forgive you. It's not like she has better things to do at the moment now that you've subverted her purpose.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She's probably looking for another Tarnished to fill the role.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Seems like she'd see the Erdtree burning and say "shit, he's actually going through with it". Finding another Tarnished at that point seems a bit pointless.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And then do what? She has nothing to offer anymore. Other Tarnisheds will have their maidens to level up and she no longer has Torrent to offer up. She's useless.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"You know, Mel, there's a way to burn the Erdtree without you dying and without me turning into a vessel for an outer god of chaos. Why can't we just do that?" >"Just because, okay?!"
1 year ago
Anonymous
1. Because the needle only suppresses the frenzied flame, it doesn't eliminate it
2. Because she's a ghost who has no reason to exist if not to serve as kindling for the flame of ruin
1 year ago
Anonymous
Suicide? From the first sentence I can already tell you're reading this through the lens of your values. You are incapable of looking at things from someone else's point of view, Melina's in this instance.
>when you reach Leyndell she thought she had already fulfilled her duty
She doesn't say that, that is your incorrect understanding.
If we are still here talking about the game and its characters after 1 year it means that the game is good. No one gives a shit about games like God oif Soi or Horizon or Last of Us, those are just things you consume and forget, and you want to turn the narrative of Elden Ring into the narrative of that crap. Get a clue already, if you can.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If we are still here talking about the game and its characters after 1 year it means that the game is good.
That is naive and reductionist as frick, and if the best thing you can say about a game's narrative is "People are still shitting on it one year later" it says a whole lot more.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, it's not. No one will talk about Forspoken in a year.
You don't understand Elden Ring,
1 year ago
Anonymous
People are still making TLoU2 threads nowadays, was that a good story?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Either shills or shitposters. No one discusses that game seriously. Posting variances of the fricking meme is not the same thing as what's happening in this thread.
She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose. >My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given. >Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act.
You shouldn't be calling anyone else "speed reader"
>She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose.
It's not her purpose if there's an alternative, is it?
>I need to do my duty. >Oh I have discovered that my duty is to do X because there's no other way to do it than killing myself. >Except Tarnished can actually do it, but I don't want him to do it because it involves destroying the world. >Except it actually doesn't, he can do it without destroying the world. >But that makes me mad because I realized my purpose was to kill myself because there's no other way. >Except there is a way so I was wrong when I concluded on my own that this was my purpose.
You really don't see the stupid circular logic here?
She's not doing it because she has to, she's doing it because she's decided that's what she wants to do. >There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition. >I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs. >I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you.
I'm going to say again that you shouldn't be calling anyone else "speed reader"
1 year ago
Anonymous
NTA. I agree with you that she didn't know she'd be burned when the journey started, but I don't get this bit:
>And even if your stupid made up narrative was right, it still doesn't excuse that saving her then purging the flame literally just removes her from the game without further explanation. No resolution where she says what she thinks of it, no further encounters.
She's already decided you're beyond saving at that point. She tells you point blank that you're "unfit" once you inherit the flame, and warns you against it a bunch beforehand:
>You... have inherited the Frenzied Flame. A pity. You are no longer fit. Our journey together ends here. And remember... Should you rise as the Lord of Chaos, I will kill you, as sure as night follows day. Such is my duty, for allowing you the strength of runes. Goodbye, my companion. Goodbye, Torrent...
She even notes that you may not actually reach the Frenzied Flame ending, but that she wants nothing to do with you regardless. From her point of view, you're irrevocably tainted. The lore is absolutely there to support her no longer showing up at that point. There are a lot of small aspects of the game that feel unfinished but this isn't one of them.
NTA but you guys realize that if Tarnished-kun has the needle and chooses not to needlessly sacrifice her, and she then decides to stop helping him then basically all she really does is actively work against the purpose she's been preaching about and actively make sure the world she wants to save won't be, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The "purpose she's been preaching about" is to be used as kindling to burn the erdtree. That's her purpose, her life's goal, and the one thing she wanted, and you took that from her after she specifically asked you not to.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, that's just what she thought she needed to do to reach her actual purpose. If she had known from the start it all came down to being kindling for the Erdtree, she wouldn't have said goodbye earlier. The whole kindling idea is just something she got into her head.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If she had known from the start it all came down to being kindling for the Erdtree, she wouldn't have said goodbye earlier.
I answered this to the other anon earlier.
She didn't know from the start that was her purpose. She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose. >My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given. >Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But that just goes right back into the circular logic
>She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose.
It's not her purpose if there's an alternative, is it?
>I need to do my duty. >Oh I have discovered that my duty is to do X because there's no other way to do it than killing myself. >Except Tarnished can actually do it, but I don't want him to do it because it involves destroying the world. >Except it actually doesn't, he can do it without destroying the world. >But that makes me mad because I realized my purpose was to kill myself because there's no other way. >Except there is a way so I was wrong when I concluded on my own that this was my purpose.
You really don't see the stupid circular logic here?
said.
She realizes that's her purpose because that's the only way you can continue. Except it isn't. She gets angry because if you continue with that path you'll burn the Lands Between. Except you don't need to. And at that point you just... don't get further responses. At that point you don't get "But if you do this [Bad thing] will happen". Nor does Melina ever say this is her fate, just that it's her choice because she thinks it's the only way forward, even though it's demonstrably untrue. At that point the game just goes silent and awkwardly shoves Melina under a rug. You don't even get a scene of what happens to her later if she survived and you didn't burn the Lands Between, as if From thought nobody would care and Melina isn't worth even the resources to show that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Speaking of circular logic, I answered that one, too.
She's not doing it because she has to, she's doing it because she's decided that's what she wants to do. >There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition. >I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs. >I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
...ok, but you gotta understand how frustrating it is that Melina kills herself because "She decided to do so so you gotta respect her decision", right?
This is like someone deciding the get euthanized because they're suffering from cancer, and the day before the big news break on TV that there's finally a definitive cure for cancer and no one else will ever die of it. And then that person still goes "Yeah well I'm not gonna waste a perfectly good suicide now am I?".
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's cause the needle only suppresses the flame and also because she's a ghost who has no other purpose to exist
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's cause the needle only suppresses the flame
The description also says that you're cheating fate for good, there's no reason to think it's gonna fail. >and also because she's a ghost who has no other purpose to exist
So just look for one like she had been doing. It's obvious this one of burning herself was just the first thing she latched on to and it's a pointless one.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The description also says that you're cheating fate for good, there's no reason to think it's gonna fail.
It can't even properly cure Malenia, who is only infected by an outer god, while the frenzied flame is on par with the greater will >So just look for one like she had been doing.
homie she's a ghost. She's fricking dead. It's time to move on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Her new purpose is to be my wife and make a big happy family
1 year ago
Anonymous
Except that Melina is not a normal person. She describes herself as "burned and bodiless" and as far as we can tell she's essentially a spirit.
The whole point of travelling with you was to figure out why she's alive in this state >Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless.
And again, she determines that that reason is to burn the Erdtree for the new elden lord. And then you tell her "nope, frick you, don't care what you say, frick your purpose" and take from her the ONE THING she wants.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>she determines that that reason is to burn the Erdtree for the new elden lord
But why? She doesn't need to. Nobody needs to die. At this point she's dying because she says so. All she's really doing at best is hurting you and making sure this new age will be marked by human sacrifice.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>But why? She doesn't need to. Nobody needs to die.
It's that exact line of thinking that created this entire situation. Also, she's already dead.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's that exact line of thinking that created this entire situation.
When did that happen?
1 year ago
Anonymous
When the rune of death was sealed
[...] >She's already dead.
I don't count having teleportation superpowers as "being dead" when it clearly doesn't stop her from doing anything else any living human wants to do. She's not even like Ranni who needs a replacement body, she just gets to teleport.
Melina doesn't have a body at all. You're seeing a ghost, not a woman
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sealing the rune of death is not the reason the story started and everything went to shit.
And "Melina doesn't have a body at all" sure doesn't work that well when we never once see her be disadvantaged by it. >Can still ride Torrent. >Can hand out items like Torrent's ring. >Can talk to other people as she introduced herself to us before we had any sort of connection. >Can touch us when leveling up. >Can fight like when she helps us against Morgott or how she swears she'll kill us in Frenzied Flame ending.
What the FRICK does her being dead even mean? It doesn't matter. She didn't actually lose anything. It's a literal superpower.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She can't even talk to people unless they happen to be near a site of grace. And while she can "still ride torrent", she could also ONLY ride Torrent, who as a spirit steed was the only way that Melina was able to move around at all, at least until we get close to the erdtree.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She can't even talk to people unless they happen to be near a site of grace.
Is this actually stated at any point?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also >she could also ONLY ride Torrent, who as a spirit steed was the only way that Melina was able to move around at all
Then how did she follow us throughout our journey?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Then how did she follow us throughout our journey?
Cause we had torrent, obviously
[...]
Oh and one more question, if Torrent is also a spirit, how come other people can interact with him anywhere outside of sites of grace? Ranni learns about us because she heard around that there was a new rider for Torrent. That means people see him.
>Oh and one more question, if Torrent is also a spirit, how come other people can interact with him anywhere outside of sites of grace?
It's unclear. In part because we just don't know what the frick torrent is, although obviously it isn't bound to grace, and obviously has a corporeal form. None the less, it's described as a "spirit steed", and can pop in and out of existence, somehow.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Cause we had torrent, obviously
...so how did Melina follow us if Torrent was occupied carrying us and he was her only method of transportation according to you? >None the less, it's described as a "spirit steed", and can pop in and out of existence, somehow.
Sounds like Melina.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>...so how did Melina follow us if Torrent was occupied carrying us and he was her only method of transportation according to you?
She was with us on the horse >Sounds like Melina.
Eh kinda. We do know a little more about her though, such as clarifying that getting near the erdtree could allow her to move freely
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She was with us on the horse
Sounds like a big fat load of headcanon my dude.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She plainly says she can only move freely when we get to the erdtree. Where else did you think she was?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Teleporting around.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Even in the gag manga she's just going wherever she pleases, doing whatever she feels like, talking with plenty of people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also >she could also ONLY ride Torrent, who as a spirit steed was the only way that Melina was able to move around at all
Then how did she follow us throughout our journey?
Oh and one more question, if Torrent is also a spirit, how come other people can interact with him anywhere outside of sites of grace? Ranni learns about us because she heard around that there was a new rider for Torrent. That means people see him.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The description also says that you're cheating fate for good, there's no reason to think it's gonna fail.
It can't even properly cure Malenia, who is only infected by an outer god, while the frenzied flame is on par with the greater will >So just look for one like she had been doing.
homie she's a ghost. She's fricking dead. It's time to move on.
>She's already dead.
I don't count having teleportation superpowers as "being dead" when it clearly doesn't stop her from doing anything else any living human wants to do. She's not even like Ranni who needs a replacement body, she just gets to teleport.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon, has it occured to you that maybe she doesn't like being a bodiless spirit?
1 year ago
Anonymous
[...]
Aight, guess she can kill herself for no reason then. Literally zero reason. Nothing. Nada. The game just revolves around a character who decides to kill herself because she just felt like it. The great writing of Elden Ring: "And then she felt like killing herself and not seeing the world she wanted to save because. The end."
I guess I'll leave you guys to enjoy your dung eating.
It's like you didn't even play the game.
She has a purpose but she doesn't remember what it is, she wants to travel with you to remember that.
It's quite embarrassing to come in a thread and attack people when you don't even have a basic understanding of the first 20 minutes of the game.
Yeah, but the point still stands. Had Melina been a real character, more people would have likely gone with the finger option like Vyke instead of letting her kill herself willy nilly.
Both Vyke and Bernhal were weak and took away agency and meaning from their maidens. Life and Death in the Lands Between don't work like in our world, applying our logic to that world is incredibly moronic.
>she determines that that reason is to burn the Erdtree for the new elden lord
But why? She doesn't need to. Nobody needs to die. At this point she's dying because she says so. All she's really doing at best is hurting you and making sure this new age will be marked by human sacrifice.
Because life and death are different in Elden Ring than in our world. People have Fates. I have already explained this before.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She has a purpose but she doesn't remember what it is
For the fricking hundredth time in this thread alone.
She decides her purpose must surely have been to burn herself as kindling because she sees no other way forward.
Except there IS another way forward, which means that's not necessarily her purpose. >People have Fates
And burning herself clearly wasn't hers considering it doesn't need to happen and nobody told her to do it.
And for the hundredth time again, EVEN IN THE UNLIKELY CASE THAT IT REALLY WAS HER FATE, it's still shitty that we get absolutely zero resolution to saving her. You don't even get an epilogue of her either coming back to shittalk you for your decision, or thank you for defying fate for her sake, or even so much as a single scene of her standing elsewhere in the Lands Between going "Huh, guess that happened". From just unceremoniously kicks her out of the game. Stop defending bad storytelling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She decides
No. She "remembers". >because she sees no other way forward
No, because it's her birth purpose (Fate). >>And burning herself clearly wasn't hers considering it doesn't need to happen and nobody told her to do it.
What does this even mean? Where's the source for this? You brought this from your ass.
She was created for that. Do you even know what Fate means in the context of Elden Ring?
By preventing her from kindling the giant's flame you're not saving her, that's your perverted point of view of the fact.
Again, it's like you didn't play the game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post the exact line where Melina says "Oh yeah, I just remembered, this was my purpose and there's no interpretation around it, I was created for kindling". I assure you 100% you won't find a line that says that. I literally have her full dialogues open in another tab and she never says so. In fact, people in this very fricking thread arguing your point addressed that it was NOT part of her purpose and it was just her wish, a wish she formed when she thought there was no other way.
1 year ago
Anonymous
East Rampart Grace >My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given
After Morgott >Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act. So I'd like you to undertake a new journey, with me. To the flame of ruin, far above the clouds, upon the snow mountaintops of the giants. The I can set the Erdtree aflame. And guide you. Down the path to becoming Elden Lord
I don't know if you're a liar or simply moronic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Fricking knew you were gonna post this shit and completely reinterpret her words. >East Rampart Grace
Doesn't say anything about kindling. Doesn't even know she has to become kindling here. >After Morgott
Doesn't say her purpose is to become kindling. Just that she has to help you become Elden Lord. Which once again, doesn't necessarily involve her sacrifice.
1 year ago
Anonymous
't say anything about kindling. Doesn't even know she has to become kindling here.
Yeah because she's leaving to ascertain. Never have I stated that at this point she said anything about kindling, you are attributing it to me for some strange reason. >Doesn't say her purpose is to become kindling.
She literally says her purpose is to aid in the act of passing the thorns and then says she can set the Erdtree aflame.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>My purpose is to help you reach the Erdtree and become Elden Lord. >Cool. >So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree. >Yeah makes sense. >For which I need to burn myself alive. >Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree. >...then I won't help you. >Then you're not going to actually accomplish your purpose even though you don't lose anything from this? >Yeah. >Ok then I guess you're useless and the only thing you really did was cuck yourself out of actually being a character.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>My purpose is to help you reach the Erdtree and become Elden Lord.
No. Her purpose is to burn the Erdtree.
I see where your confusion is coming from now, you don't understand the meanig of those words after Morgott.
As I said she says her purpose is to aid in the act of passing the thorns (by setting the Erdtree aflame), not in the act of you becoming Lord, these two things happen to be correlated but are stll distinct.
Her Fate is to burn the Erdtree, that is why her mother created her.
It's not satisfying to anyone. It's a path that leaves Melina with no resolution and she just disappears from the story, like an unpatched questline with no conclusion. The best anyone can do is shrug it off and say "Well, I guess she's still pissed off about it or something" and move on.
It is satisfying to Melina and to me, the player, who can reach the Elden Ring. It is not satisfying to you because you cannot appreciate melancholic endings.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It is satisfying to Melina
How do you know? She's fricking gone and, by all indications, still too mad to say a word to you. How does she feel about her life's purpose being simultaneously subverted and fulfilled? Who knows. It's a dangling thread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I know because it's her Fate and she tells you that's what she wants DUH.
I'll just fricking copypaste again since you clearly didn't bother reading. >So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree. >Yeah makes sense. >For which I need to burn myself alive. >Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree.
If her purpose really was to help us go past the thorns, there were other ways to help. Like leveling us up, or helping in other fights like Morgott. "I have to die to accomplish it" is just some stupid shit she concluded on her own without looking for alternatives. She gave up on her own life just like Fromsoft gave up on this fricking game.
Again, you do not understand the meaning of Fate in the game. You didn't write the game, From did. You want to attribute your meaning to something instead of trying to understand the meaning of the writers. You approach a story with no humility, only with egocentrism and arrogance.
Also from the Blade of Calling description: >Dagger given to one who set out on a journey to fulfill her duty long ago. The power of its former owner, the kindling maiden, is still apparent. >kindling maiden
If this is not enough evidence for you then I don't know what else to tell you, you are hopeless.
>Her Fate is to burn the Erdtree, that is why her mother created her.
Holy shit Marika just can't stop doing vile shit to her family >Have another child after all the shit involving shattering >Only purpose is nasty death by getting burn alive
Why is she like this
Stop seeing things from your point of view.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Again, you do not understand the meaning of Fate in the game.
Fate doesn't mean jackshit. People died by the thousands in Elden Ring without accomplishing their fates. You can do the entirety of Ranni's quest where she's supposedly trying to reach her fate and then kill her at the very last second, or take a different ending. Radahn spent thousands of years as a braindead zombie holding the fact of thousands of people back with the tip of his fricking wiener. Fate doesn't mean jackshit in Elden Ring. Either Fate is easy as frick to avoid in which case it has no value at all, or no character actually has any fricking idea what their Fate is in which case Melina has no reason to be so damn obfuscated on how she HAS to burn. Specially when that was something she decided in the fricking spur of the moment.
>You approach a story with no humility, only with egocentrism and arrogance.
Says the guy who's nothing short of calling everyone dissatisfied with this ending a brainlet and a philistine. You are so fricking full of yourself it's unbelievable.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>obfuscated
*obsessed
I don't know how I mixed those words.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Specially when that was something she decided in the fricking spur of the moment.
That's not something she decided, it was given to her. You still refuse to acknowledge this, it's incredible.
I accept the vision of the creators, you refuse it and criticize them for not having the same vision as you. Who is more full of himself? Nuff said.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That's not something she decided, it was given to her.
It's not. Good fricking lord there's been so many arguments already for why it's not. Marika didn't fricking tell her what her purpose was. She doesn't fricking get a big revelation or anything. She just decides her purpose is to burn on her own because she sees no alternative. The incredible thing here is how much you cover your ears and shout at this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'll just fricking copypaste again since you clearly didn't bother reading. >So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree. >Yeah makes sense. >For which I need to burn myself alive. >Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree.
If her purpose really was to help us go past the thorns, there were other ways to help. Like leveling us up, or helping in other fights like Morgott. "I have to die to accomplish it" is just some stupid shit she concluded on her own without looking for alternatives. She gave up on her own life just like Fromsoft gave up on this fricking game.
Let me help you see things from a different perspective.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'll just fricking copypaste again since you clearly didn't bother reading. >So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree. >Yeah makes sense. >For which I need to burn myself alive. >Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree.
If her purpose really was to help us go past the thorns, there were other ways to help. Like leveling us up, or helping in other fights like Morgott. "I have to die to accomplish it" is just some stupid shit she concluded on her own without looking for alternatives. She gave up on her own life just like Fromsoft gave up on this fricking game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>character's motivations don't actually make sense in a fromsoft game
what do you expect anon, it's a japanese studio. They can't write for shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's well within reason that she finds the Frenzy Flame too objectionable to even consider it a possibility and she'd rather sacrifice herself than risk the birth of the Lord of the Frenzied Flame, even if you already have Miquella's Needle in hand. Still, it feels like the whole interaction could be more complex and complete than it is now without much effort on the dev's part.
But this is a greater symptom of Elden Ring writing. There's a lot of characters and world elements that could and should have some kind of interaction, but don't because they don't really let the plot threads intersect.
>Melina has absolutely nothing to say about Ranni's scheme or Dung Eater's rune or Fia's rune, yet comments on Boc of all people >Ranni has nothing to say about fricking anything even though she's right there in your pocket >You can find Godwyn, source of the deathroots, but there's no way to talk to Gurranq about it >You can find Miquella but there's no way to talk to Malenia about it
It's weird because there are a couple times where there's a weird amount of interaction, like being able to go back and forth between Jerren and Iji for some extra dialogue.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Answer to all of this is that Fromsoft can't make games that aren't Dark souls game about how you are hollow soldier who walks around world where everyone lost their minds and kills other hollow soldiers.
They made world for a proper story and (allegedly) living characters in it, however looks like it's beyond their expertise to implement any interactions between those, so at execution level everyone are still hollow soldiers who stab each other and game doesn't contain anything much. Even them making Ranni's quest line is a miracle considering their usual approach.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sekiro had a solid story with living, sane characters though. Though maybe that's because all the Dark Souls writers on staff were busy with Elden Ring at the time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sekiro is ripped straight from japanese pulp samurai flics
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sekiro also has 4 different fully comprehensible ending sequences that look nothing like mitsubishi's usual cryptic fart huffing. I think key is different publisher who actually forced them to make those things.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sekiro also has 4 different fully comprehensible ending sequences that look nothing like mitsubishi's usual cryptic fart huffing. I think key is different publisher who actually forced them to make those things.
Read
First of all Miyazaki has been famously quoted for saying that usually alternates between a game with a more streamlined narrative and a game with a more ambiguous one, or something similar to this. Second, even in games like Sekiro there's still a lot of space that they leave to interpretation because that's just what they prefer.
I like it, knowing too much makes things not interesting anymore. Meanwhile you can pick up these games many times and never get tired of them because you will always reflect on things you encounter, even the 10th time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
There's a limit how "ambiguous" you can get before narrative simply comes apart from lack of cohesion between unrelated or outright contradictory scraps. Dark souls is ironically within that limit. ER is far beyond it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Nah, you simply don't have the tools to understand what's in front of you.
>That's not something she decided, it was given to her.
It's not. Good fricking lord there's been so many arguments already for why it's not. Marika didn't fricking tell her what her purpose was. She doesn't fricking get a big revelation or anything. She just decides her purpose is to burn on her own because she sees no alternative. The incredible thing here is how much you cover your ears and shout at this.
It's not something you tell someone to do for frick's sake. It's a fantasy world. That purpose is built into your very being by a superior power.
God you are hopeless.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Your argument at this point just comes down to "Nobody says this in the game, it's not shown anywhere and we have proof that it doesn't work like that, but I know this because god talks to me in person".
1 year ago
Anonymous
that's pretty common in loretrannies
1 year ago
Anonymous
The game literally says that. You are refusing to acknowledge the evidence that's been provided to you.
When she says that her mother gave her her purpose, it doesn't mean that Marika told her go and do this. It means that her purpose was imbued in her at her birth. In a similar fashion Millicent must return Malenia's will to her.
It's a fricking fantasy world with its own rules, it's not our world.
You are doing what you are accusing me of doing. Even worse because you ignore evidence. Are you sure you're not israeli?
that's pretty common in loretrannies
Projection.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You are refusing to acknowledge the evidence that's been provided to you.
Because your evidence is dogshit and makes a harder case for the opposite.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Her Fate is to burn the Erdtree, that is why her mother created her.
Holy shit Marika just can't stop doing vile shit to her family >Have another child after all the shit involving shattering >Only purpose is nasty death by getting burn alive
Why is she like this
1 year ago
Anonymous
She's a blonde white woman
1 year ago
Anonymous
how'd a literal dried up husk shit out a baby
1 year ago
Anonymous
It is possible that it happened before shattering. In this case Melina initially wasn't supposed to do anything like that but then marika said "oops looks like you're kindling now it's not up to discussion". Also important detail is that she has no physical body, and her appearance has traces of burns. Not sure what happened but it unlikely was pleasant experience.
1 year ago
Anonymous
is there any proof that marika is her mother?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No hard proof but some things she says can't be interpreted in any other way
1 year ago
Anonymous
so her backstory is literally "I'm going to kill myself" unless you mental gymnastics that she's the Queen's daughter
1 year ago
Anonymous
It is possible that it happened before shattering. In this case Melina initially wasn't supposed to do anything like that but then marika said "oops looks like you're kindling now it's not up to discussion". Also important detail is that she has no physical body, and her appearance has traces of burns. Not sure what happened but it unlikely was pleasant experience.
Birth in the Lands Between might work differently than in our world. People might just "sprout" if you will from the Erdtree.
Tarnished Archeologist talked about this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, Tarnished "Misbegotten are actually leading a crusade against the Haligtree in an effort to create a draco ic rootstock dynasty" Archaeologist. Anyone who takes this clown seriously could legitimately be led to believe anything so long as the video is really long and the person speaks with authority.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The frick are you talking about? His videos are all short and he never said any of that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They're an hour+ each, what are you talking about? That's literally what he claimed in his latest video
1 year ago
Anonymous
Haven't watched the latest one yet. His longest video is 34 minutes, just checked.
You are mistaking him for someone else, maybe Smoughtown.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"Misbegotten are actually leading a crusade against the Haligtree in an effort to create a draco ic rootstock dynasty"
What about everything else in the last video? Because I absolutely can understand not buying that final theory but everything else he said in the video was absolutely fine, especially the part about the Omen, something that he has clearly got right, unlike everyone else.
And the videos aren't really that long, most of them are 15 to 30 and something minutes long.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Omen are remnants of draconic rootstock from the original greattree stump
Lol, this is definitely coherent and not undiluted schizo shit, his whole theory on the Erdtree being a grafted scion is based on ONE (1) piece of imagery with zero supporting text. I swear the only way someone thinks what he says is not total nonsense is if they've never delved into the lore themselves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Trees and grafting aren't a new subject to From games, it was already in Sekiro.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>based on ONE (1) piece of imagery with zero supporting text
That's the whole point of his damn channel, dude.
Like I said, I understand not buying the crusade on the Haligtree thing, but everything else makes so much sense it's unreal.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It makes sense because he deliberately frames everything to fit his schizo theories, the idea that there was some stump that the Crucible grew from and the Erdtree was grafted onto (which also ignores how it's stated that the Crucible and Erdtree were the same entity) is backed up by NOTHING in game. It is essentially flowery fanfiction that illiterate morons believe because they can't bother to read two sentence long item descriptions themselves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He never said the erdtree was grafted. The stump had many growths, one won over the others. The Erdtree was one of the many growths so you can say that the Erdtree was the Crucible, or at least one aspect of it.
well lore trannies should be told that they're not welcome here because all they do is pollute the board with their schizo fanfiction and then spam when it's pointed out
The only schizo here is you. Stop behaving like a woman on her period.
1 year ago
Anonymous
okay loretroony
also your fanfiction is moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the stump had many growths, one won over the others
That's straight up ignoring the origins of the Erdtree/Crucible. From the official website >In the Lands Between ruled by Queen Marika the Eternal, the Elden Ring, the source of the Erdtree, has been shattered
There is no fricking stump
1 year ago
Anonymous
Frankly it seems like he's right. What do you have to dispute it?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>misbegotten are shown praying to a statue of the twins and are praying to the Haligtree itself, not the fricking Erdtree >unlike the Misbegotten in Castle Morne, the Misbegotten in the Haligtree are either praying or asleep >there is no signs of an active battle between Elphael and the Misbegotten, many Haligtree soldiers are depressed or looking at the horizon and don't even notice you walking by >the area where they reside shows zero signs of battle damage and is mostly intact, with only the rot causing destruction >the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order
You're so dumb it's unreal
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order
The frick do you think are the Albinaurics doing there, especially the ones wrapped in cocoons?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Given Miquella's own cocooning it was an attempt to cure their physical deformities, but obviously with the failure of the tree and his kidnapping things went wrong. Latenna seemed eager to return to the Haligtree which was originally her home and Loretta's entire character revolces around being the Albinaurics Moses, and she still ferociously guards the tree despite everything that's happened. What are you even saying schizo?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>What are you even saying schizo?
That it's a fricking refuge for those shunned by the Golden Order, and that's what you even said yourself.
The frick are you even going around calling people ''schizo''? Stop acting like everyone's got something in you and discuss things properly and with calm.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Okay, what are you even arguing about then? What contention did you have with my original comment?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're the one that made this post
>misbegotten are shown praying to a statue of the twins and are praying to the Haligtree itself, not the fricking Erdtree >unlike the Misbegotten in Castle Morne, the Misbegotten in the Haligtree are either praying or asleep >there is no signs of an active battle between Elphael and the Misbegotten, many Haligtree soldiers are depressed or looking at the horizon and don't even notice you walking by >the area where they reside shows zero signs of battle damage and is mostly intact, with only the rot causing destruction >the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order
You're so dumb it's unreal
, right?
Here you disputed ''>the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order'' but here (
Given Miquella's own cocooning it was an attempt to cure their physical deformities, but obviously with the failure of the tree and his kidnapping things went wrong. Latenna seemed eager to return to the Haligtree which was originally her home and Loretta's entire character revolces around being the Albinaurics Moses, and she still ferociously guards the tree despite everything that's happened. What are you even saying schizo?
) you said the same damn thing as the Archaeologist.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh I meant that the narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary is what goes against what TA's schizo theory, where he claims that the Misbegotten are found in the Haligtree because they're actually at war with the tree for ??? reasons
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him. I haven't watched the video yet but why does it matter if he's wrong on this one? I myself don't agree on certain things he believes but the guy is legit, he has many great takes and you can tell he recognizes the real life inspiration most of the time.
Definitely the best lore channel and I've been watching this shit since Dark Souls 1, he's in a different league.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well lore trannies should be told that they're not welcome here because all they do is pollute the board with their schizo fanfiction and then spam when it's pointed out
1 year ago
Anonymous
>real life inspiration
And here's another thing, this is total bullshit as Miyazaki has outright stated his main inspirations. From a gameinformer interview
>It's difficult to give any one single inspiration that had a major impact on Elden Ring. There have been a lot of different works that influenced the creative process in various ways – The Lord Of The Rings, The Eternal Champion series of novels by Michael Moorwiener, aspects of tabletop RPGs such as RuneQuest, etc.
What's that? It's all mainstream pop fantasy and video games? Not fricking 7th century Umayyad architecture? 99% of the architecture in From games can be explained by "they thought it looked cool" any attempt to pull some tortured connection to obscure ancient mythology that 15 people in Japan have heard of, and not lime MtG cards or RPGs, is pseud moronation
1 year ago
Anonymous
RuneQuest is the definition of tortured connection to obscure ancient mythology.
>Reinforce my weapon to +25, making it capable of killing gods >Kill Rykard with it >"No one can keep me captive, a serpent never dies."
Inhale the copium, loser. Screen said "Demigod felled", and your Great Rune is now mine.
That's the only thing that really weirds me out. They didn't have to have dialog at each Grace, but she should have shown up any time you selected the Level Up option.
you either see it coming and run, jump R2 her out of it, or bloodhound dodge. Remember, she is easily stunned with breaking of poise. The way to fight her is to not be afraid of fighting her.
you either see it coming and run, jump R2 her out of it, or bloodhound dodge. Remember, she is easily stunned with breaking of poise. The way to fight her is to not be afraid of fighting her.
Also if you're playing an INT character just spam a weapon art like Moonveil's or the MLGS frost buff since frost can help out a shit ton.
you either see it coming and run, jump R2 her out of it, or bloodhound dodge. Remember, she is easily stunned with breaking of poise. The way to fight her is to not be afraid of fighting her.
I'm running a dex/arc bleed build, do you guys think spamming the weapon art from the bloodhound blade will be enough?
Well there's no shame in trying, I don't think it'll help when she starts spamming her Destined Death attacks but I could be wrong. Surprised you aren't just running RoB but guess you're not at that part of the game.
Rob isn't really my cup of tea I wanted mogh trident or the bleed twinblade, but I have no idea how to reach mogh's palace. I was doing a dagger build, but the damage is so shit and the range is so garbage (even with bleed) that I just changed to dual bandit curved swords.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but I have no idea how to reach mogh's palace
You have to kill the worst boss in the game and find the elevator to get to one of the worst areas in the game the fricking snowfield holy shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Worst boss
Worse than fricking astel and his "nothing personal kid" grab?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You fought that commander boss in Caelid to get the gold needle? Alright what if we made that boss but ten times worse and in a fricking cramped arena so fighting him solo is cancerous as FRICK. also have fun homosexual there's another Astel and he's on steroids
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Another astel
Tiche pls save me, I want to go home
1 year ago
Anonymous
If it makes you feel better it's completely optional and you get nothing from fighting it. However I hope you liked the fricking optional snowfield area in Dark Souls 2 because the place you need to go to find Mohg is just as bad if not fricking WORSE!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Would've been cool if you got to hang out with ending related characters more. Like maybe taking out a town of npcs with dungeater to make more curses, or having sex with death girl multiple times on screen to give her mana or whatever.
That sounds incredibly gross and pozzed. No thanks. I don't know why people like you even play these games, go play a Western game. Go play The Witcher and leave me the game I like.
Ok so Marika is a goddess who went schizo, made a male counterpart who went off to frick Rennala. Then when Marika's husband fricked off she retrieved her male counterpart to marry him, spawning multiple demigods during this whole process. Is that alright?
Honestly Miyazaki's writing is intentionally vague so that you can feel smart when you fill in holes yourself, however in this case it's probably not "going schizo" though, Marika's plan from the start seemed to be to challenge the golden order, the Tarnished are one part of that Godfrey and his armies were banished specifically so that they could become stronger and then come back, Radahn challenged the stars and won the golden order worships eldritch space beasts, Ranni plans to go on a thousand year journey among the stars, it's just as likely that seducing Rennala and having children was a back up plan to the Tarnished as anything and they seem to be succeeding to that end
Its common for gods in mythologies to have split personals that take on different forms but are still that god.
Its all over the place in Hindu Religion and for a common western understanding God the Father, God the Son, and The Holy Spirit are all the one true god in Christian Religion are they not?
It was extremely common in ancient greek/hellenistic religions too gods would often have epithets attached to their names in certain regions where they emphasized only certain aspects of them, there's also things like gods splitting off from previous gods with their previous lives still being acknowledged
It was extremely common in ancient greek/hellenistic religions too gods would often have epithets attached to their names in certain regions where they emphasized only certain aspects of them, there's also things like gods splitting off from previous gods with their previous lives still being acknowledged
Godfrey and marika had the omens and godwyn. Radagon(marika) and Rennala had Ranni, rykard, and Radahn. Radagon and marika had Malenia and Miquella
Frick if you wanted to get a bit more meta with it you can even pull the Radagon and Marika fused later idea by saying its symbolic of when different mythological figures get rolled into others as their cultures become inter-meshed.
Same way that the Rune bearers all represent twisted variants of classical heroic archetypes.
Radagon's children were adopted into the royal family once he married Marika, source are the remembrances, I believe. Plus if you believe Radagon was always Marika that would make them always royal scions.
Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn are demigod stepchildren, given the title when Radagon married Marika. They MIGHT also be demigods by blood if Radagon was Marika from the start.
>Also is there a lore reason why most enemies are zombies
Marika stole the rune of death and gave it to Maliketh to hide which he did by sealing it in his sword, this is a partial explanation of why enemies respawn when you rest at grace
>how do we kill bosses then
Typical souls loophole, there isn't a definitive answer, the two most plausible theories are either similar to how the rune of death was bound to an item the bosses could be bound to the items they give or that they simply take longer to regenerate than your typical nameless soldiers
It's also possible that the tarnished can kill things for good, death doesn't work in the lands between because the rune of death was stolen, the tarnished isn't from the lands between though and we can assume death still works in the outside world and you might bring that power with you, we also know other Tarnished can at the very least kill each other, Fia, D and the dung eater are all examples
Things like blackflame and the black knives that have been previously imbued with death can also permanently kill too but that has more to do with the death rune's power
The second part is just a simulacrum Ranni conjured ages ago to protect her mother from anyone who might try to kill her. Ranni's voice playing there is also just a "recording" left, she's not aware you're there at that moment. The actual Rennala fight is just the first part where you beat her and her students up, then once you beat the simulacrum part of Ranni's spell includes giving you the great rune so you won't have a reason to keep fighting her.
It doesn't seem like it. Her dialog is a bit unclear:
>I was known as a Deathbed Companion, where I come from. After I received the warmth and lifely vigour from a number of champions, I lay with the remains of an exalted noble, to grant him another chance at life. To do so is the purpose of my being. But before I could bear the noble into new life, I was awakened by the guidance of grace, and chased from my birthplace.
The way this is worded is ambiguous. She definitely fricked a bunch of big dick boys to get their vigour, but the wording she uses is that she "lay with the remains of an exalted noble," which could mean fricked or could mean that she literally lay beside the corpse. She didn't get to do the big frick to bring him back, though.
If you finish her quest though, she definitely ends up fricking Godwyn's corpse:
>"I will soon lay with Godwyn. To conceive my child, the rune. Brandish my rune, and take for yourself the throne. Stay the persecution of Those Who Live in Death. By becoming our Elden Lord."
>"This is goodbye, my dear. But I am satisfied. I choose to lie with Godwyn of my own will. Not the remains of one chosen for me. And I will bear a child. Who will inherit your warmth, too. What greater blessing could there be, but to be born a Deathbed Companion?"
Where does all the Ranni simping come from? This is my first time playing and I just ignored her and didn't even bother with her questline. All the annoying simping and people never shutting up about her has really soured me up about her. The only thing she did useful was giving me the spirit calling bell. If any of the girls Roderika would be the one I like.
ah yes, the part where you know where you are meant to go! that's easy one anon, next you need to go to
1 year ago
Anonymous
well more like "go to sheldon street" but maps dont exist with streets written on them and you have to randomly walk around hoping you find sheldon street.
Not a simp, but I understood once I talked to the Ranni doll and she went >Oh no I talked too much... forget what I just said... forget...
This line was cute no matter if she was honest or deceiving here.
>Where does all the Ranni simping come from?
In a grimdark game where everything is broody and everyone you meets dies horribly one way or the other, the one character with moe anime dialogue becomes very impacful
Rodericka is cute, but she kinda stops being a character very quickly.
First time I semi roleplayed a sorcerer during my initial playthrough, so she and her questline were a perfect fit for my character.
I never really could get into sorcery in the previous games, but they really tried to make it more interesting and involved in this one, with many fights feeling like they were made for range characters. Malenia was rough though, but thankfully frost worked pretty well against her.
Did you not find night comet? It's hard counter to malenia and all other input reading homosexuals, it simply shits on them. There is sublime satisfaction in switching off that homosexual mechanic.
Pretty sure I found all spells, but mostly thought of that one for pvp shenanigans. This is actually the first time I hear about it and I assume she doesn't dodge it, which would make perfect sense now that I think about it. I mostly used Adula's Moonblade during the fight, since even should she try and dodge, the sweep still reaches her if your positioning is on point
She just got a lot of content for ER (while your average NPC got nothing) and what
Its literally just that there's an ending where you marry her, simps love that shit in games
says. The most Melina had is her hating your guts but that requires FF >If any of the girls Roderika would be the one I like.
Based Roderika enjoyer, only girl that stood with me at the end of it all
Yeah, but the point still stands. Had Melina been a real character, more people would have likely gone with the finger option like Vyke instead of letting her kill herself willy nilly.
I would become Elden Lord if Melina was like this. Ranni's world seems to be the best outcome though since a universe reset removes all the conflict with the erdtree
I'd go with the Goldmask ending if it actually also helped remove the root of the problem. But unfortunately Ranni is the only one who actually does something to get rid of the eldritch parasite.
It angers me that we will literally never get any more Melina content. Those Black folk used her as marketing material then gave her literally no content in game
The situation with Malenia is funny for me, as she was pretty much the face of the game before release, and in game she's irrelevant 95% of the time, known as a knuckleheaded autist and walking demon core in lore and in gameplay only remembered for one meme move.
The current version of the Needle is a hacked together solution, this is the true problem.
There's cut content surrounding Malenia, for whom the Needle was made.
There's cut content surrounding Miquella, who created it in the first place.
There's weird connections between Mohg's blood cult, Miquella and the Frenzied Flame, like how Yura who hunts Bloody Fingers becomes Shabriri, how Mohg guards the path to the Frenzied Flame, how Miquella was once the character who taught the Merchants that song they play
To me it seems like you weren't meant to find out what to do based upon the description only we the player can know about, but instead it may have been possible others would've guided you there.
In the current version, the Tarnished does a weird series of steps that make no sense to anyone that isn't the player. They didn't write anything around that because it wasn't planned for.
Miquella's Needle isn't even the same Unalloyed Gold Needle Malenia had and Millicent used. You get a different one by returning Malenia's will to her bloom.
And both Mohg and Morgott guard the Frenzied Flame Proscription, not just Mohg. Mohg guards it via apparition, Morgott via direct seal. It's why Morgott doesn't label his brother among the "willful traitors" when confronting the Tarnished. Both of them know the Frenzied Flame is bad news.
I wonder what Morgott thinks about the whole kidnapping of their younger brother by Mohg. He probably doesn't even know, but still I don't see him liking it even if he doesn't think much of Miquella at all.
Melina ows me sex.
I carried her all the way to Leyndell and then all the way to some stupid mountain in the middle of nowhere just to see her become ash.
She better be in the DLC somehow and she better offer her body as payment.
I do wonder how things will play out now after Godrick didn't actually die and in fact got a better thing going now in Limgrave so that Nepheli and Keenth can still do their story.
Either learn to parry the frickers or use something with sleep. St. Trina's sword, St. Trina's arrows, sleep pots, and you can also inflict scarlet rot.
yeah I forget I can parry a lot of the bosses but if I frick up once I'm dead
I do have Trina's Torch and Sword, but it's still a bit before I can get one of them to sleep and then I have to not die
By the way, before you put more time into this, you did remember NOT to finish Edgar's quest, right? Since that drops a +8 weapon
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Yes, thankfully, because I fricked up a low RL character months ago by getting Rogier's rapier, so I avoided the halberd and the rapier because I'm still mad about it.
Really regular co op and PvP in appropriate areas which is why I'm trying to get all of it.
>get them down to 10 percent HP with just Oleg and Bernhal >they die >kiting them with arrows >fat frick rolls >rolls >rolls more >get hit >fall down >keeps rolling >never stops >die
>rolling to the side is like 50/50 on whether you get hit >rolling through fatty is safe
I get that iframes are a necessity, but you're supposed to aim to make things look believable. Fricking Tanimura.
yeah it's bullshit
It's also bullshit that if you get knocked into a wall you are basically dead because he will just roll in place over your body until you get up and get hit again
FINALLY fricking got him, and it's literally just because of Bernhal
Oleg died about half way through but for whatever reason that dude was a tank and just distracted them while I used Dragonice, poison arrows and flies
and it's dumb as hell because it seems like it's literally just RNG if they will behave or not
I'd gotten them down to 10-25% semi-consistently but other times they would just lock Bernhal in a corner and gang bang him with black flame int he first 30 seconds and kill him
now to just fricking get maliketh somehow
Imagine how much better Elden Ring would've been if they just reduced the needlessly huge map, had a straight forward story and more interesting combat (multiple weapon arts would help). Miyazaki is slowly starting to piss me off with the overly cryptic bullshit, also we need a ending where I make nephili Elden Lord and she lets me mind my own business reading books and cuddling with Rennala.
I like open world exploration my guy, dragon's dogma is one of my favorite games, but Elden Ring is WAY too big. It doesn't help that most mini-dungeons have bad bosses and even worse loot most of the time, it makes exploring even more unrewarding. They should've focused more on legacy dungeons since they were the high point of the game.
I agree with him on the map. The open world is neat at first until you start to recognize the patterns and notice places where it's stretched thin. Really hurts replayability, which is a shame since it's fun to engage with the actual content in different ways.
It means that if his brother had a strong will, strength and ambition they would have fought over the leadership but since his brother didn't he was no threat to him therefore he could just love him and not fear him.
I got the mod that makes it so Melina always sits with you at the Graces and it’s incredible how such a tiny change can make me like her so much more
It’s always nice seeing her show up even if I’m just gonna sit down for a second it’s a nice reminder she’s still with me on our adventure
>The one time I don't go for an INT caster build >Character with the most involved sidequest gives MLGS as a wedding gift
Goddamn it. I really wish I could do like radagon did and convert it to a fatih weapon for shits and giggles.
Congrats. I totally forgot how nerve wrecking this fight was for me, but then I did this area before setting foot in leyndell. At least every other assassin I encountered after got absolutely bullied
I was getting my shit kicked because she's imune to bleed and that jump attack is a one shot even at 40 vigor. But I found that you can dodge out of it with light roll, and that since she staggers easily you can guard counter her to death, though it's not exactly a fun way to win.
I still hold the opinion that, much like bloodborne tried to do, and sekiro succeeded in doing, this game could stand do more to differentiate itself from souls games.
Everyone on the internet seems to think Marika was a coldhearted b***h but she seems extremely committed to preserving life and ultimately freeing everyone from her mistake of removing Destined Death.
>Everyone on the internet seems to think Marika was a coldhearted b***h
Sum of records of her actions imply as much. She was outstandingly, like robot tier psychopathic even for a ruler position that demands to be coldblooded. Almost everyone close to her ended up on chopping block one way or another. 1937 USSR tier purge but done to her own family.
>but she seems extremely committed to preserving life and ultimately freeing everyone from her mistake of removing Destined Death.
It is unclear what exactly did she want. Apparently she was some kind of leader, and her first decision we know about was entering servitude to some alien eldritch abomination and subjugating all other life of the world that was hostile to it, on terms that abomination will make her world's ruler. She didn't like sharing that power considering she threw her husband away after he played his part in securing it. Most likely reason why did she crash existing order, is finding out that boss wants to replace her and take her power away.
I agree, I am of the opinion that the relationship between Marika and Melina is the same as that of Malenia to Millicent. Basically they aren't literally 1:1 the same person but I think Melina is some kind of offshoot of Marika, meant to embody her ideals and goals after she shattered herself. This would also explain why she is bodiless (born after the shattering somehow from a fricked up fused Marika/Radagon) and why there is no mention of her in the Lands Between's mythology, almost nobody knew who she was or that she even existed as she was born after the shattering without a real body while an apocalyptic war was happening with Marika and Radagon MIA
She did it because she didn't want to be greater will's frickpuppet. Space homosexual finally stumbled on someone who refused to be its b***h and got its clown show nuked as a result. Should have just knew measure.
who's merii
*Melina noises*
marry and nakadashi the pure maiden
Who? Melina's not a maiden. She says so herself.
You're supposed to be an incel, it wouldn't make sense for you to have this harem to choose from. Instead you choose between a troony and a sex doll, though there's a couple prostitutes/gamer girls you can befriend along the way.
>it wouldn't make sense for you to have this harem to choose from
Yeah, I know. I get that it's part of the story. I'm saying whatever their next game is should use that idea though.
>Before release: Melina is so cute
>After release: My wife Ranni is so cute
why couldn't we have gotten a cute melina that's obsessed with killing us
Why couldn't we have gotten a Melina at all, that shows up during the actual journey and talks about something else than what someone else said a bajillion years ago.
Like, shit dude, the fact a comedy manga actually makes her presence more noticeable through gags is just sad.
because muh souls lore atmosphere and less is more
>薪女
reeee why is a female character with agency and not a uwu waifu
>agency
Literally the only thing she does in the game is occasionally show up to help you, she has no agency. Do you think the way for a character to show agency is to just simply not be present at all?
Her character (like many others) is clearly unfinished, there's a silverlining tho with Fromsoft talking alot about how they want to keep supporting ER in the years to come, so they might update storylines and shit
lmao you don't know what agency means, she's barely a character in game
>Her character (like many others) is clearly unfinished,
How the frick did they make a central character like Melina unfinished?
What are the chances of them eventually adding the option to go into the next NG without upping the difficulty? I really don't care for "health values go big" as a difficulty modifier and I'm working my way through NG+1 right now, but I'll eventually need to do NG+2 for the Nepheli Puppet and NG+3 for the "perfect run" where I complete every questline successfully. I hear NG+4 is where health values get so bloated that it's just unfun, but I worry they'll add some kind of story changes that will make another NG+ round needed to get all content.
I just fricking hate this thing Souls games do with NG+. It just isn't fun.
Because the game was released severely unfinished in the story department. To the point where even updates and DLC won't be able to complete it
I can't believe a game so clearly unfinished could not be considered still in beta
Welcome to From Soft
Elden Ring was a whole other level though
It really wasn't compared to the other games that had whole areas cut
This is a misconception. A lot of the cut content was cut for a reason, they thought they were giving out to much information, they retconned the story in development etc.
Sometimes they wanted to try something but weren't able to figure out how to make it work, that kind of stuff usually ends up being used in subsequent games.
Stuff like Asimi's quest and Kale's were removed because of lore reasons.
that's just like your opinion man
Explain to me how Hyetta's shitty quest was so much better than Kale's that it needed to be removed
Because it gives away too much about Merchants, the Three Fingers, Shabriri, Chaos etc. and they want to keep things misterious so that people speculate?
Seems pretty obvious to me. That's why item descriptions change in patches after release too, for example.
No, it's a clear pattern that you can observe in all From games.
This. Hyetta's quest leads you to the same location but does so through the eyes (heh) of an NPC who is as unaware as you are about what's going on. She, like you, doesn't realize the true purpose of her quest until she reaches her destination and you can discover details about the merchants and their relation to the Three Fingers through some dialog, some item descriptions, etc.
Finding the enemies and corpses down there and all of the instruments that the merchants play was haunting as frick. It wouldn't have been nearly as impactful if we knew what to expect because Kale told us about the massacre en route.
yes, and you know what else is a pattern in all from games? time constraints and rushed deadlines. mysteries have their uses but fromsoftware can be very clearcut when they want to be. there's nothing about the merchants, vyke and and asimi that does not fit the narrative told in the game's world.
as you said there's already plenty of ints of the merchants being ostracized in the game, from what Kalé tells us to their item descriptions, so why is it wrong to have the characters themselves learn and explore their history with us?
That's just...not the style of storytelling they do in FROM games, or at least the Soulslikes. It's intentional. It's okay if you don't enjoy it, this just isn't meant to be that kind of game.
sekiro isn't their style of storytelling?
It's not a Soulslike.
First of all Miyazaki has been famously quoted for saying that usually alternates between a game with a more streamlined narrative and a game with a more ambiguous one, or something similar to this. Second, even in games like Sekiro there's still a lot of space that they leave to interpretation because that's just what they prefer.
I like it, knowing too much makes things not interesting anymore. Meanwhile you can pick up these games many times and never get tired of them because you will always reflect on things you encounter, even the 10th time.
You are not wrong, I said most of the content is cut for those reasons, not all. Saying the stuff we mentioned was cut because of time is doing From an injustice, though.
>here's nothing about the merchants, vyke and and asimi that does not fit the narrative told in the game's world.
It's not that it doesn't fit, it's that it gives away too much information and makes things too clear cut for the intent of the creators.
Unfinished, always unfinished. Every From title is the same shit. Have they learned nothing from all these past decades of making games? Why not, you know, manage your own fricking expectations when developing a game? A triple AAA studio shouldn't be this incompetent.
I get the impression that Miyazaki wanted Melina and the PC to have a more personal, human relationship. But then he realized he doesn't know how to do that.
Or maybe he realized it wouldn't make much sense for Melina to have a close relationship with the player character no matter who they were, considering how many options the games gives you to dress and act like a fricking cretin.
Zanzibart…
I think that she was suppose to be tied to some ending were Marika wins, but it got cut probably because they didn't think people would visit all the churches
I'm still a Melinagay. Luv monotone Rei-type characters
Really wish we actually got some backstory on her or more actual interaction with her
based
no chest having ass
She's not a Rei-type at all.
>AHHHHHHHHHHH RYKARD SAMA SAVE ME!
Wait they are not giants?
I hate Ranni more than Melina. Melina had the potential to be the first, REAL companion of these games. Something different from the “You are traveling alone in a decaying world of monsters” trope that this company falls back on. But they didn’t do that.
I love Ranni to death, but I will not stop seething at Melina's wasted potential. Why couldn't we have any quests about her? Develop her relationship? Her an hero'ing at Giants was already poignant, imagine how hard that would have hit if you'd already done quests and explored her backstory.
I am and will remain anally furious about this.
>before release: wow melina looks like an important character
>after release: melina shows up once while ranni has a long quest involving multiple bosses, area and an iconic weapon
there should have been melina dialog at every important bonfire.
Melina is the sequel bait anyway
>pre-release interviews make it a big deal of how melina is her own independant character with her own goals
>this does not matter since we don't get to know her, only marika
>her goal just meant looking for her own purpose which was to serve us all along
>her lack of character and convictions make her departure and later sacrifice feel meaningless
also what was that about choosing to journey with her in the beginning? why give us the choice in the release version if that just meant not getting access to the roundtable hold, torrent or the level up system? might as well have removed it all together
You can't even finish the game without accepting Melina's accord, once you reach Morgott you're just completely walled until you do accept her.
Melina might be fricking top 5 most wasted characters in videogames. The only reason anyone even seems to care about her is because the community constantly wonders about what could have been, not because From actually gave a frick.
the most egregious thing about her is how there's lots of hints in the game that she's actually someone important, and yet the game would be the same if she didn't exist at all. i guess in that sense she's got a lot in common with DS2's emerald herald
yea but she's cute
Pssst
Melina is Marika you fricking idiots
Proof?
Naming conventions
She seeks out the tarnished, Marika's revived warriors, and strengthens and guides them, even when the fingers themselves stop caring or don't know what to do
She has inherited memories from Marika
She knew where Maliketh was and why you needed to go beat his ass
She can only manifest in the immediate vicinity of sites of grace or the erdtree itself
Melina isn't Marika but she represents Marika's will for most of the game and is the closest we get to understanding Marika as a result.
Basically both of them share the same underlining beliefs but Marika has the baggage of being the Queen b***h while Melina is isn't.
Melina is Godwyn's sister. That would complete the set of all of Marika's children being sets of contrasting twins, it would line up with Melina talking about her mother inside the Erdtree, and it would explain her condition (she's dead in body but alive in soul, while Godwyn is alive in body but dead in soul).
>R is M
>Radagon is Marika
>Ranni is Melina
makes sense especially when both of them have the opposite eye closed
They're closed for very different reason's though. Ranni's soul doesn't fit in her doll quite right, while Melina's eye is sealed by Maliketh's beastclaw mark.
You know, with how people have reacted to the characters in Elden Ring, they should honestly just make a companion option for the next game. Make it so you can take on certain NPCs as partners where you can customize their loadout and stats. The Mimic was the best summon in Elden Ring, so run with that concept, and flesh it out. I'm sure anyone would be happy to go through the game with a knight bro, or their battle waifu.
>customize companion
>complete their quest
>opens up the option for the romance quest
>which opens up a secret quest
>secret quest is breeding
>sexo sexo sexo sexo sexo
jokes aside, romance is a great way to create an attachment to the character
the reason you don't feel anything when elina burns herself is because you barely interacted with her
That's pretty much what a pawn is in Dragon's Dogma, though you cannot romance your pawn for stupid story reasons even though there's also part of the story about another arisen who was in love with his pawn. I think that's one thing a lot of fans want from DD2.
"stupid" story reasons, did you see Bitterblack Isle? Thats what pawnfricking does, dont frick you pawn
Yeah, that's what I meant by there's part of the story about another arisen who did love his pawn. And it only doesn't work out for contrived story reasons. But really, the ending is gay as frick. The pawn replaces you, and literally cucks you from whomever you ended up with like it's the most natural thing in the world. That whole part of the story is dumb and no one will be sad if they don't continue it in DD2.
>Thats what pawnfricking does
Daimon didn't get fricked because he was romancing his pawn though, he got fricked because he found out his dragon was his previous mentor who he had also fallen in love with before. Then he started cursing the cycle in front of it while the dragon was waiting for him to say whether he accepted to deal so he got monkey paw'd.
Romancing pawns would just be fricking weird, they are literally non-characters
>though you cannot romance your pawn for stupid story reasons
It was weird how they handled that.
>"I made a pawn with big breasts. Can I frick her?"
>"No, pawns don't understand love and never want to frick."
>go to the fricking woods
>there's a little goth pawn that looks like a 12 year old girl living in a shack
>if you're nice to her for five minutes her panties get boiling and she professes her undying love for you (and your wiener)
She even moves into your house and watches while you frick Mercedes, it's weird.
Isn't that pawn special though? It's been a while since I played DD but I thought that character had extenuating circumstances.
Yeah ok I looked it up, her arisen is dead so she's not actually a Pawn anymore she has gained a soul.
There's no difference between Pawns and humans. They even get life, souls, emotion, whatever you want to call it the same way.
It is different, pawns are below humans in the chain. It goes Seneschal>Human>Pawn, your Pawn hasn't received a soul from a human yet so it has no desires or feelings, it just acts according to your will.
Pawns should be given a soul and life from getting loved and impregnated. That would be KINO. And have a bad end where they become a soulless killing machine if you treat them like shit.
Selene became human. She's not a pawn anymore
>create big titty pawn
>she becomes (you) except for the voice in the end
Why? Surely everyone adventured with a pawn of the opposite sex to their character for the contrast.
This shit is so cheap. Not in line with FROM ethos.
>ethos
the ethos of fromsoft is making money
Yes but not like that. Pic related.
No, it's sound evidence.
>my fanfiction is real!
meds
I will say a prayer for you before going to bed so that you can gain back your capacity for reason. I am afraid we cannot communicate.
there should be a troony fanfiction board
What do trannies have to do with anything that's been said.
they could have made her create a stronger bond with your character
tongue kissing Melina is my dream
unf
or have her have sex and get impregnated with puppies by the many dogs in the game and then you have to try to give the puppies away to various npcs
These people probably have the grossest mouths since they can’t really find the time to brush their teeth. Hell they probably sink like literal death, considering how many times you get splashed with liters gallons of blood.
Dumb frick, Tooth brushing exists since Ancient Egypt or something
People unironically had better dental hygiene in ancient times than they do today.
She should have shoved up more often at least, I feel like I saw her reasonably often in Limgrave, and then just she fricked off until I got to the big lift
I summoned her for Morgott for shits and giggles thinking I'll try it out and 100% get killed since it's my first time fighting him so no harm no foul.
I ended up one shotting him because she's a fricking tank
what the hell is that armor set, mod?
Not a mod, the headpiece is from the electric knights, and the chest and greaves are from the goat knight you kill in one of the volcano manor missions.
https://vocaroo.com/18d0PkALS66Y
Anyone have the chatterbox Melina comic?
Give me a minute
Who's the best souls girl?
I wish you
>haha I'm the wrong game
rpg-maker turd-gargling basic b***h bastards would take a long walk off a short pier.
why did goofy tell him to drop the anchor?
because he's a moron
Sex
with
dolls
Why do dolls make the best wives?
Because they are cute
Which face do you look at during missionary?
When you kiss her, does the spectral face watch you?
Can the mouth do stuff?
Why not both?
Both.
Probably?
>Black Souls is only relevant by piggybacking the real Souls series
Begone, eroge movietards. I'm sick of seeing Alicesoft's unpaid pajeets shilling this """""vidya""""" aggressively here.
It unironically nails the atmosphere of DS1 better than any other fromsoft game.
>movietards
>Alicesoft's
What did he mean by this? Well I can understand confusing the Alices but why movietards? lit/theatmorons maybe
I love her so much
Think we will get an anime about the Tarnished and Melina and their travels but they make Melina an actual character
There's an official manga "Elden Ring: Road to the Erdtree"
The ER manga is kino and I hope future from games get the same treatment
It gets slightly better later but at least at the start the immense majority of jokes were just the same regurgitated jokes every damn Elden Ring comic and animation already did of "The Tarnished is dumb and doesn't know what's up, so he's gonna attack Varre for being rude, try to greet the Tree Sentinel and get rekt, complain he's getting lore dumps and get mocked because he's a naked pariah". It was a tiresome start and Aseo is not a fun character. Also him joining Patches' gang means his interactions with Patches are completely different from what's fun about Patches, which is that he tricks people then immediately presents himself as an innocent samaritan to save his hide. Instead it's just... Patches insults him because Aseo is dumdum lol.
Thankfully the Ranni crew have been fun so far, Melina is fun whenever she's not just repeating the "I'm gonna level your Int" joke for the fifth time, and everything in Stormveil castle has been pretty good. I just slightly resent that they turned Blaidd into an actual simp that treats Ranni like a pop idol instead of his sister but at least the joke of a fandom war with Darriwill and Melina being the one to beat him was funny.
is there a site where I can read every chapter so far?
I'm more thinking of like a Goblin Slayer but the Tarnished and Melina
There's a gag manga. That's the best you're gonna get.
KISSING MELINA ON THE LIPS
Not getting a melina dialogue/scene for saving her life and still getting the non flame ending was such fricking bullshit.
THe whole thing is lazy shit
>welp time to jump in this fire with no explanation as to why me jumping in the fire will do anything
>see ya
for me it's Miquella
>St Troona
Mohg pls leave.
He's sitting in the basement all day, what else is he supposed to do during refractory periods other than post on Ganker
Miquella belongs to Mohg
The fact you CANNOT save her no matter what makes this game fricking worse then DS3,SEKIOR,BLOODBORNE
Well you can keep her from sacrificing herself while also not going frenzy flame ending which SHOULD save her, it's just the narration doesn't address anything about it and leaves it as an undeveloped plot point.
Nah, the actual problem is that you CAN save her. She just doesn't have content for it. It's so stupid. At least an actual plotpoint of how you can't save her no matter what could have potentially been some tragikino if it was well handled, but it's not even that, you're just fricked no matter what and not in a tragic way, just in a stupid way.
Why would you want to save the second worst girl in the game
The real travesty is that you cant kill worst girl, Ranni
Imagine hating Melina
Lorelets. She literally tells you that's her will, what part of it don't you understand? She wants be the kindling, that's her life purpose.
But WHY is it her lifes purpose? What about her makes the fire suddenly burn down Leyndell? You can't know because her only dialogue doesn't even involve her as a character
Who the frick cares, I play this shit to fight skeletons.
The Erdtree is a physical manifestation of the Golden Order, and thus effectively a god. The Flame of Ruin is the only flame potent enough to burn it (the Flame of Frenzy works too, but that's a whole other can of worms), however because Marika removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring to establish the Golden Order, you need that rune to make the Flame actually burn the tree. Hence why you go to Farum Azula in search of Maliketh, so that you might finally open the path to the Elden Ring.
Ok but why is that Melina's purpose? You didn't even mention Melina there
I'm not the original anon. Melina needed to discern her own purpose, and she seems to be an unintended demigod offspring of Marika, if not an offshoot of Marika herself the same way Millicent is an offshoot of Malenia. Melina exists bodiless and virtually powerless, only able to act on her own within close proximity of the Erdtree, and her "mother".
Choosing to become kindling is an action taken of her own decision, her own life, independent of Marika.
Unintended? Melina clearly states that her purpose was given to her by her mother. Marika knew exactly what she was doing.
That would be cool, I agree. I think it would be even better if she spawned at the graces where she has optional dialogue so that you know something is up and you check your menu.
She is Marika, or an apparition splintered off from her. She seeks to destroy the tree in penance for the sins she made in life.
Eh, I don't think she's Marika. She's a daughter of Marika, likely an Empyrean, very possibly the Gloam Eyed Queen, which is why she references bringing Destined Death to the Tarnished in the Frenzied Flame ending. It's also why she guides the Tarnished to defeat Maliketh in order to reclaim the Rune of Death.
I think her penance is for working with the Godskins and that her references to being "burned" may imply that her own Black Flame was used to destroy her body.
She is the gloam eyed queen, that much is explicitly made clear. The gloam eyed queen who wielded the rune of death, despite it having been removed from the elden ring by Marika, and who had to be defeated by Maliketh, Marika's finger-shadow, not Marika herself. Do you get it?
Marika, Melina, and the GEQ are all the same person.
I don't agree with this take, personally. There are direct references that heavily imply Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen but the reaches you're doing to make her Marika seem like they're all external to the game's lore. You're basically saying "have you ever seen them in the same room together?!" and pointing to that as proof. Nothing in the text of the game -- at least that I'm aware of -- implies they're the same being.
How could Melina know Marika's innermost thoughts, such as her consternation over the growing dominance of "Radagon" within herself, if they were not the same person? Especially given that the GEQ was defeated and erased from the world all the way at the start of the golden order
She literally tells you, the words linger in the place. If she weren't in that place she wouldn't be able to hear them.
That's not how words work
>I mean, she obviously wasn't erased from the world if she's guiding us through the game
Sorry I was being dramatic. I mean the GEQ isn't mentioned again in any context after the GO was established, yet Melina, who we know is the GEQ, knows about really specific and personal lore details regarding Marika from after that point. This only really tracks if all three characters are bound.
>she's repeating something that was said in the past that she can "feel" in the area.
Sure, but some of the things she says in this context is stuff Marika was early saying only to herself.
>>That's not how words work
Yeah not shit, in our world. We're talking about a Fantasy world.
Again, just think about how far you're taking this line of thought. "Melina can hear Marika's thoughts" -- if we assume that's what's happening -- is a very far cry from "Melina is Marika." You're taking massive logical leaps to get to that conclusion. No one else in the community thinks that's the case, insofar as I'm aware. You have no actual text from the game to support your theory. This is "Squall is Dead" tier stuff.
>No one else in the community thinks that's the case,
Well they can go to hell. Marika and Melina are both deeply tied to the tarnished, share the same memories (including very obscure and secret lore), are personally associated with Maliketh (remember, the REAL purpose of shadow beasts are to keep their "masters" in line), have the same goals and motivations which no other character or faction in the game follows, are both directly tied to grace, and even have almost the same name. The implications are very obvious.
>Marika and Melina are both deeply tied to the tarnished
As are many other characters in the game
>share the same memories (including very obscure and secret lore)
As mentioned, you literally made that up. Melina being aware of things Marika has said does not go so far as to say they "share the same memories."
>are personally associated with Maliketh
Melina, if we assume she's the Gloam Eyed Queen, is associated with Maliketh in the fact that HE DEFEATED HER when she was going around killing demigods and Marika ordered the Rune of Death sealed. In this instance, they seem to be at odds with one another (which isn't impossible with Radagon as a factor, but still does nothing to associate them so closely as to call them one and the same.)
>have the same goals and motivations which no other character or faction in the game follows
Be specific here. And even then, Melina specifically states that she is acting on Marika's will out of penance. This does nothing to make them the same being.
>are both directly tied to grace
So is every Tarnished.
>even have almost the same name
So do half the characters in the game. Maliketh sounds closer to Marika than Melina. Radagon sounds NOTHING like Marika yet is canonically her male counterpart. This is not evidence of anything.
>As are many other characters in the game
Not to anywhere near the same degree. She's the only character in the game who seeks them out, the only one who enpowers them, the only one that travels with them, and the only one who offers any advice or guidance other than "idk get great runes lmao".
>you literally made that up
No I didn't. Again, some of the things that Melina recites are clearly to only a habdful of people or even just herself. She also knows about the efficacy of the flame of ruin and the location of the rune of death.
>In this instance, they seem to be at odds with one another
Yes, except for two important details. First, it makes no sense that Marika would not have at least participated in that fight, and more importantly, Marika was the one who pulled the rune of death from the elden ring, so how did the GEQ have it before her defeat by Maliketh? I suppose she could have stolen it, but that's not stated anywhere and seems improbable if they were distinct and antagonistic beings at the time.
>Be specific here.
They both want to destroy the elden beast and end the golden order as it currently exists, not out of a spiritual hatred of the greater will or out of personal ambition, but to allow for an end to the countless wars and to re-establish the normal cycles of life and death for the people of the lands between.
>And even then, Melina specifically states that she is acting on Marika's will out of penance.
Sure. But what does she have to feel guilty about, if she is not Marika?
I don't have the energy to argue with you anymore. We'll have to agree to disagree. Still, nothing you attempt to bring up (much of which still just kind of ignores aspects of what I pointed out, since you clipped most of my arguments short) has any actual textual lore to support it.
Enjoy your headcanon, you'll probably be the only one doing so. You clearly saw something literally no one else in the thousands of people who care about this shit has managed to see.
As an olive branch, in spite of my snark, I offer you this Accord.
Very well. Like Gold Mask, I suppose I am cursed to carry my divine intellect alone, until I am slain by pseuds who can't handle the brilliance of my huge fricking brain
I mean, she obviously wasn't erased from the world if she's guiding us through the game. Her body was destroyed and she doesn't have much influence anymore, which she explicitly tells us.
As far as "Marika's thoughts," she says this before each of those passages:
>Spoken echoes of Queen Marika linger here. Shall I share them with you?
She's not recalling something she personally said, she's repeating something that was said in the past that she can "feel" in the area. Yeah, you could say she's lying about that or somehow unaware, but again to me that's a huge stretch.
My brain can't parse what you're trying to say here. I do think Melina is Marika's daughter -- in fact, I don't think there's anything ambiguous about that. I don't think Melina IS Marika.
What about Melina as the Gloam-Eyed Queen's daughter?
There's no indication, as far as I know, that the Gloam Eyed Queen had a daughter. Also, her character is literally called "DaughterOfMarika" in the game data, so it's possible but doesn't seem likely.
Unless Melina is Marika's daughter, that doesn't make a lick of sense for her to be the Gloam-Eyed/Dusk-Eyed Queen that was Marika's rival for being made Empyrean and ruler of the lands before the Age of the Golden Order started.
Perhaps Marika assimilated the GEQ the same way she assimilated Radagon. She did tell Radagon that he hadn't "become" her yet, which wouldn't make sense of they were originally the same person instead of at some point becoming one.
Because it was given to her by her mother and she embraces it. That's how the Elden Ring universe works, characters are driven by Fate, it's a big part of the narrative you bother to pay attention. By taking that away from her you are doing her wrong.
You think you are her saviour but you are taking away her raison d'etre, even if you're not going for the Chaos ending she still cannot be happy about that, expecting her to be grateful is moronic.
She's a women. Her purpose is to be bred by (Me).
Would be hilarious if there was a cutscene where she's even more pissed than the frenzied ending
No it isn't. She didn't even fricking think about having to do that until she was in front of the Erdtree. She even gives you a big speech of "Thank you for helping me reach here, this was my purpose, now my duty is finished" when you reach Leyndell, then she has to come back to you again and ask for one more journey because she's been wienerblocked at the last second but then remembers she can burn the Erdtree.
The whole "This was her purpose, she wanted to be kindling, that's why Marika created her" bullshit is just a stupid speedreader cope from people that can't accept the game is blatantly unfinished. She just had to help Tarnished reach inside the Erdtree, everything else was just methods to do so.
Imagine being this guy. Embarrassing.
Keep coping.
Keep being a moron and expressing yourself like a ghetto jogger, I'm sure people will take your opinions seriously.
That's a whole fricking load of hot air you're blowing there without actually saying anything. Keep coping.
The only one without an argument is you. You clearly didn't play the game or are too stupid to understand it if you deny what was said in the posts you quoted. Everything is in the game, the game contradicts your narrative and everyone can see that.
>Melina doesn't want you to save her because she thinks it's her duty to commit suicide!
>But when you reach Leyndell she thought she had already fulfilled her duty and it's only once she realizes she still can't do it that she comes up on her own with burning the Erdtree.
>I... but... um... y-you're moronic! No argument! Shut up, stop contradicting me!
Cope harder.
And even if your stupid made up narrative was right, it still doesn't excuse that saving her then purging the flame literally just removes her from the game without further explanation. No resolution where she says what she thinks of it, no further encounters.
The game.
Is fricking.
Unfinished.
NTA. I agree with you that she didn't know she'd be burned when the journey started, but I don't get this bit:
>And even if your stupid made up narrative was right, it still doesn't excuse that saving her then purging the flame literally just removes her from the game without further explanation. No resolution where she says what she thinks of it, no further encounters.
She's already decided you're beyond saving at that point. She tells you point blank that you're "unfit" once you inherit the flame, and warns you against it a bunch beforehand:
>You... have inherited the Frenzied Flame. A pity. You are no longer fit. Our journey together ends here. And remember... Should you rise as the Lord of Chaos, I will kill you, as sure as night follows day. Such is my duty, for allowing you the strength of runes. Goodbye, my companion. Goodbye, Torrent...
She even notes that you may not actually reach the Frenzied Flame ending, but that she wants nothing to do with you regardless. From her point of view, you're irrevocably tainted. The lore is absolutely there to support her no longer showing up at that point. There are a lot of small aspects of the game that feel unfinished but this isn't one of them.
Aight, guess she can kill herself for no reason then. Literally zero reason. Nothing. Nada. The game just revolves around a character who decides to kill herself because she just felt like it. The great writing of Elden Ring: "And then she felt like killing herself and not seeing the world she wanted to save because. The end."
I guess I'll leave you guys to enjoy your dung eating.
>gets proven wrong
>gets b***hy about it
Bye bye, homosexual.
Bruh, the flame to burn the Erdtree needs kindling. Your options are "have a nice day" which would undermine her whole purpose, "Kill Melina" which accomplishes her goal, or "Become a fricking Agent of Chaos and become capable of withstanding the flames," which, in her mind, is the worst possible outcome.
There was no way to realize the world she was working toward if the Erdtree didn't burn. There was no way for you to become Elden Lord if you burned. She didn't decide out of nowhere, she decided because it was necessary to accomplish what she wanted.
"Hey Melina, I have this needle here I got from beating the hardest boss in the game, if I use this we'll cuck the god of Chaos superhard we'll both survive, win-win."
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
You still house the Frenzied Flame if you use the needle, it just suppresses it.
>"Capable of subduing the flame of frenzy if inherited, allowing one to cheat fate and avoid becoming Lord of Frenzied Flame."
It still resides in you, which is why she abandons you. She says you are no longer fit to be Lord. Yes, you can go on to mend the Ring and become Elden Lord, but you're still tainted by the Frenzied Flame. She's not okay with that outcome and thus will no longer assist you. She directly tells you as much.
First, the item description is vague and says both that it's "just" subduing her, but also that you're actually for real cheating fate.
Second, she doesn't know that. She can't act on that information because she didn't even know the needle exists until you get it, and hse has no way to know exactly what it's doing to the flames. From her point of view, you just stick it in and fwoosh, they're gone.
Even if we ran with that idea, you can't use the needle until after she abandons you anyway. She'd have no way to know (or reason to check) that you've suppressed it.
Either she learns about it immediately through whatever means she has been keeping track of you during the whole journey (probably tied to the fact you've still got Torrent with you until the end) or she just simply shows up in the epilogue once you've become Elden Lord because at that point there's no damn excuse to not know anymore. You're literally the new lord of the land and it definitely doesn't seem to be burning.
The only ending where it makes sense that she would never appear again is Ranni's ending, and at that point she might as well hang herself because all her lack of faith in her companion did was leave her completely out of the ending, leave her completely without a purpose good or bad because she herself walked out of the story, and caused her companion to just go away forever with a new girl.
Why would she show up after you become Lord though? She still views you as unfit. Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off? At this point you're just searching for reasons to be mad.
The game gives you two ways of progressing past the Forge. In both cases Melina leaves you. It's okay that this is the case and it makes sense within the context of the story. She only returns in Frenzied Flame ending to literally do what she told you she'd do when if you become the Lord of Chaos.
>Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off?
Yeah. At the very least. Is the game actually fricking showing the consequences of my actions that much to ask for?
The consequence was her leaving you.
>It's okay that this is the case and it makes sense within the context of the story.
No it doesn't. There's been a million arguments already for why it doesn't. All you fricking do is try to deflect into some other minor side point and then wait a bunch more posts to then declare "Btw it totally makes sense" again and hope no one addresses it this time.
And every time someone explains why, you say, "Well she COULD have shown up at the end just to fricking make a comment or something." Like, yes, she could, but the story in the game makes it clear as to why she doesn't. If you pick up the Frenzied Flame, she tells you outright that you won't see her again. If you don't, she burns. There's nothing about her not showing up that doesn't make sense. It may not feel narratively satisfying for you, but it follows the logic of the story perfectly well.
>Like, yes, she could, but the story in the game makes it clear as to why she doesn't.
No it doesn't, she makes several assumptions based on incomplete information. The game lets you prove her wrong. The game then completely skips out of showing how she reacts to the fact she was wrong.
>It may not feel narratively satisfying for you
Nor to anyone but the absolute dumbest players with the lowest standards. Your fricking argument boils down to "Lmao you actually got invested in the game's story and wanted to see what happens to Melina, fricking loser".
It's not satisfying to anyone. It's a path that leaves Melina with no resolution and she just disappears from the story, like an unpatched questline with no conclusion. The best anyone can do is shrug it off and say "Well, I guess she's still pissed off about it or something" and move on.
I really don't get why you act like a mere small cutscene of Melina showing up when you sit on the throne to say either
>You were right Tarnished, I'm sorry I ever doubted your intentions, I won't ever hesitate in supporting you again and I see now that my purpose will be to help you in your reign.
or
>Tarnished, you're actually a fricking idiot and what you did was bad and here's why:
is such an impossibility and absurd to even ask for.
This is a part of bigger question, where the frick are normal ending sequences? Why do then need to make more nonsensical and low effort cryptic shit like it's another fricking dark souls? It's not dark souls and its le cycle premise, it's completely new game with completely new story and world working on different principles, this has no place here. How the frick did they make such a huge game but didn't bother with anything resembling proper conclusion for it? Truly japs are allergic to very concept of ending for some reason.
>Is she supposed to just show up and say, "I still don't like it." And walk off?
Sure, if nothing else it would be something to acknowledge that she still fricking exists. What is she doing otherwise after the end? Wandering around seething that you accomplished her goals in the wrong way? Or if she's looking for some chump to usurp you because you're impure, I wouldn't mind that being shown in some way.
It still would've been nice if she had something to say about the outcome, even if it was just saying that she doesn't forgive you. It's not like she has better things to do at the moment now that you've subverted her purpose.
She's probably looking for another Tarnished to fill the role.
Seems like she'd see the Erdtree burning and say "shit, he's actually going through with it". Finding another Tarnished at that point seems a bit pointless.
And then do what? She has nothing to offer anymore. Other Tarnisheds will have their maidens to level up and she no longer has Torrent to offer up. She's useless.
>"You know, Mel, there's a way to burn the Erdtree without you dying and without me turning into a vessel for an outer god of chaos. Why can't we just do that?"
>"Just because, okay?!"
1. Because the needle only suppresses the frenzied flame, it doesn't eliminate it
2. Because she's a ghost who has no reason to exist if not to serve as kindling for the flame of ruin
Suicide? From the first sentence I can already tell you're reading this through the lens of your values. You are incapable of looking at things from someone else's point of view, Melina's in this instance.
>when you reach Leyndell she thought she had already fulfilled her duty
She doesn't say that, that is your incorrect understanding.
If we are still here talking about the game and its characters after 1 year it means that the game is good. No one gives a shit about games like God oif Soi or Horizon or Last of Us, those are just things you consume and forget, and you want to turn the narrative of Elden Ring into the narrative of that crap. Get a clue already, if you can.
>If we are still here talking about the game and its characters after 1 year it means that the game is good.
That is naive and reductionist as frick, and if the best thing you can say about a game's narrative is "People are still shitting on it one year later" it says a whole lot more.
No, it's not. No one will talk about Forspoken in a year.
You don't understand Elden Ring,
People are still making TLoU2 threads nowadays, was that a good story?
Either shills or shitposters. No one discusses that game seriously. Posting variances of the fricking meme is not the same thing as what's happening in this thread.
No argument.
You are the most autistic moron I've ever seen
She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose.
>My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given.
>Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act.
You shouldn't be calling anyone else "speed reader"
>She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose.
It's not her purpose if there's an alternative, is it?
>I need to do my duty.
>Oh I have discovered that my duty is to do X because there's no other way to do it than killing myself.
>Except Tarnished can actually do it, but I don't want him to do it because it involves destroying the world.
>Except it actually doesn't, he can do it without destroying the world.
>But that makes me mad because I realized my purpose was to kill myself because there's no other way.
>Except there is a way so I was wrong when I concluded on my own that this was my purpose.
You really don't see the stupid circular logic here?
She's not doing it because she has to, she's doing it because she's decided that's what she wants to do.
>There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition.
>I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs.
>I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you.
I'm going to say again that you shouldn't be calling anyone else "speed reader"
NTA but you guys realize that if Tarnished-kun has the needle and chooses not to needlessly sacrifice her, and she then decides to stop helping him then basically all she really does is actively work against the purpose she's been preaching about and actively make sure the world she wants to save won't be, right?
The "purpose she's been preaching about" is to be used as kindling to burn the erdtree. That's her purpose, her life's goal, and the one thing she wanted, and you took that from her after she specifically asked you not to.
No, that's just what she thought she needed to do to reach her actual purpose. If she had known from the start it all came down to being kindling for the Erdtree, she wouldn't have said goodbye earlier. The whole kindling idea is just something she got into her head.
>If she had known from the start it all came down to being kindling for the Erdtree, she wouldn't have said goodbye earlier.
I answered this to the other anon earlier.
She didn't know from the start that was her purpose. She leaves you to determine her purpose, and comes back to you with the realization that that's her purpose.
>My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given.
>Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act.
But that just goes right back into the circular logic
said.
She realizes that's her purpose because that's the only way you can continue. Except it isn't. She gets angry because if you continue with that path you'll burn the Lands Between. Except you don't need to. And at that point you just... don't get further responses. At that point you don't get "But if you do this [Bad thing] will happen". Nor does Melina ever say this is her fate, just that it's her choice because she thinks it's the only way forward, even though it's demonstrably untrue. At that point the game just goes silent and awkwardly shoves Melina under a rug. You don't even get a scene of what happens to her later if she survived and you didn't burn the Lands Between, as if From thought nobody would care and Melina isn't worth even the resources to show that.
Speaking of circular logic, I answered that one, too.
She's not doing it because she has to, she's doing it because she's decided that's what she wants to do.
>There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition.
>I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs.
>I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you.
...ok, but you gotta understand how frustrating it is that Melina kills herself because "She decided to do so so you gotta respect her decision", right?
This is like someone deciding the get euthanized because they're suffering from cancer, and the day before the big news break on TV that there's finally a definitive cure for cancer and no one else will ever die of it. And then that person still goes "Yeah well I'm not gonna waste a perfectly good suicide now am I?".
It's cause the needle only suppresses the flame and also because she's a ghost who has no other purpose to exist
>It's cause the needle only suppresses the flame
The description also says that you're cheating fate for good, there's no reason to think it's gonna fail.
>and also because she's a ghost who has no other purpose to exist
So just look for one like she had been doing. It's obvious this one of burning herself was just the first thing she latched on to and it's a pointless one.
>The description also says that you're cheating fate for good, there's no reason to think it's gonna fail.
It can't even properly cure Malenia, who is only infected by an outer god, while the frenzied flame is on par with the greater will
>So just look for one like she had been doing.
homie she's a ghost. She's fricking dead. It's time to move on.
Her new purpose is to be my wife and make a big happy family
Except that Melina is not a normal person. She describes herself as "burned and bodiless" and as far as we can tell she's essentially a spirit.
The whole point of travelling with you was to figure out why she's alive in this state
>Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless.
And again, she determines that that reason is to burn the Erdtree for the new elden lord. And then you tell her "nope, frick you, don't care what you say, frick your purpose" and take from her the ONE THING she wants.
>she determines that that reason is to burn the Erdtree for the new elden lord
But why? She doesn't need to. Nobody needs to die. At this point she's dying because she says so. All she's really doing at best is hurting you and making sure this new age will be marked by human sacrifice.
>But why? She doesn't need to. Nobody needs to die.
It's that exact line of thinking that created this entire situation. Also, she's already dead.
>It's that exact line of thinking that created this entire situation.
When did that happen?
When the rune of death was sealed
Melina doesn't have a body at all. You're seeing a ghost, not a woman
Sealing the rune of death is not the reason the story started and everything went to shit.
And "Melina doesn't have a body at all" sure doesn't work that well when we never once see her be disadvantaged by it.
>Can still ride Torrent.
>Can hand out items like Torrent's ring.
>Can talk to other people as she introduced herself to us before we had any sort of connection.
>Can touch us when leveling up.
>Can fight like when she helps us against Morgott or how she swears she'll kill us in Frenzied Flame ending.
What the FRICK does her being dead even mean? It doesn't matter. She didn't actually lose anything. It's a literal superpower.
She can't even talk to people unless they happen to be near a site of grace. And while she can "still ride torrent", she could also ONLY ride Torrent, who as a spirit steed was the only way that Melina was able to move around at all, at least until we get close to the erdtree.
>She can't even talk to people unless they happen to be near a site of grace.
Is this actually stated at any point?
Also
>she could also ONLY ride Torrent, who as a spirit steed was the only way that Melina was able to move around at all
Then how did she follow us throughout our journey?
>Then how did she follow us throughout our journey?
Cause we had torrent, obviously
>Oh and one more question, if Torrent is also a spirit, how come other people can interact with him anywhere outside of sites of grace?
It's unclear. In part because we just don't know what the frick torrent is, although obviously it isn't bound to grace, and obviously has a corporeal form. None the less, it's described as a "spirit steed", and can pop in and out of existence, somehow.
>Cause we had torrent, obviously
...so how did Melina follow us if Torrent was occupied carrying us and he was her only method of transportation according to you?
>None the less, it's described as a "spirit steed", and can pop in and out of existence, somehow.
Sounds like Melina.
>...so how did Melina follow us if Torrent was occupied carrying us and he was her only method of transportation according to you?
She was with us on the horse
>Sounds like Melina.
Eh kinda. We do know a little more about her though, such as clarifying that getting near the erdtree could allow her to move freely
>She was with us on the horse
Sounds like a big fat load of headcanon my dude.
She plainly says she can only move freely when we get to the erdtree. Where else did you think she was?
Teleporting around.
Even in the gag manga she's just going wherever she pleases, doing whatever she feels like, talking with plenty of people.
Oh and one more question, if Torrent is also a spirit, how come other people can interact with him anywhere outside of sites of grace? Ranni learns about us because she heard around that there was a new rider for Torrent. That means people see him.
>She's already dead.
I don't count having teleportation superpowers as "being dead" when it clearly doesn't stop her from doing anything else any living human wants to do. She's not even like Ranni who needs a replacement body, she just gets to teleport.
Anon, has it occured to you that maybe she doesn't like being a bodiless spirit?
It's like you didn't even play the game.
She has a purpose but she doesn't remember what it is, she wants to travel with you to remember that.
It's quite embarrassing to come in a thread and attack people when you don't even have a basic understanding of the first 20 minutes of the game.
Both Vyke and Bernhal were weak and took away agency and meaning from their maidens. Life and Death in the Lands Between don't work like in our world, applying our logic to that world is incredibly moronic.
Because life and death are different in Elden Ring than in our world. People have Fates. I have already explained this before.
>She has a purpose but she doesn't remember what it is
For the fricking hundredth time in this thread alone.
She decides her purpose must surely have been to burn herself as kindling because she sees no other way forward.
Except there IS another way forward, which means that's not necessarily her purpose.
>People have Fates
And burning herself clearly wasn't hers considering it doesn't need to happen and nobody told her to do it.
And for the hundredth time again, EVEN IN THE UNLIKELY CASE THAT IT REALLY WAS HER FATE, it's still shitty that we get absolutely zero resolution to saving her. You don't even get an epilogue of her either coming back to shittalk you for your decision, or thank you for defying fate for her sake, or even so much as a single scene of her standing elsewhere in the Lands Between going "Huh, guess that happened". From just unceremoniously kicks her out of the game. Stop defending bad storytelling.
>She decides
No. She "remembers".
>because she sees no other way forward
No, because it's her birth purpose (Fate).
>>And burning herself clearly wasn't hers considering it doesn't need to happen and nobody told her to do it.
What does this even mean? Where's the source for this? You brought this from your ass.
She was created for that. Do you even know what Fate means in the context of Elden Ring?
By preventing her from kindling the giant's flame you're not saving her, that's your perverted point of view of the fact.
Again, it's like you didn't play the game.
Post the exact line where Melina says "Oh yeah, I just remembered, this was my purpose and there's no interpretation around it, I was created for kindling". I assure you 100% you won't find a line that says that. I literally have her full dialogues open in another tab and she never says so. In fact, people in this very fricking thread arguing your point addressed that it was NOT part of her purpose and it was just her wish, a wish she formed when she thought there was no other way.
East Rampart Grace
>My utmost thanks. For bringing me to the base of the Erdtree. Here, I can govern my own movement. And thus, the accord is fullfiled. I shall depart to ascertain the purpose I was given
After Morgott
>Hello again, old friend. Allow me a moment to converse with you. You were unable to enter the Erdtree, no? Prevented by the mantle of barbs. The thorns are impenetrable. A husk of the Erdtree's being; that spurns all that exists without. The only way to stand before the Elden Ring...and become the Elden Lord...is to pass the thorns. My purpose serves to aid in that very act. So I'd like you to undertake a new journey, with me. To the flame of ruin, far above the clouds, upon the snow mountaintops of the giants. The I can set the Erdtree aflame. And guide you. Down the path to becoming Elden Lord
I don't know if you're a liar or simply moronic.
Fricking knew you were gonna post this shit and completely reinterpret her words.
>East Rampart Grace
Doesn't say anything about kindling. Doesn't even know she has to become kindling here.
>After Morgott
Doesn't say her purpose is to become kindling. Just that she has to help you become Elden Lord. Which once again, doesn't necessarily involve her sacrifice.
't say anything about kindling. Doesn't even know she has to become kindling here.
Yeah because she's leaving to ascertain. Never have I stated that at this point she said anything about kindling, you are attributing it to me for some strange reason.
>Doesn't say her purpose is to become kindling.
She literally says her purpose is to aid in the act of passing the thorns and then says she can set the Erdtree aflame.
>My purpose is to help you reach the Erdtree and become Elden Lord.
>Cool.
>So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree.
>Yeah makes sense.
>For which I need to burn myself alive.
>Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree.
>...then I won't help you.
>Then you're not going to actually accomplish your purpose even though you don't lose anything from this?
>Yeah.
>Ok then I guess you're useless and the only thing you really did was cuck yourself out of actually being a character.
>>My purpose is to help you reach the Erdtree and become Elden Lord.
No. Her purpose is to burn the Erdtree.
I see where your confusion is coming from now, you don't understand the meanig of those words after Morgott.
As I said she says her purpose is to aid in the act of passing the thorns (by setting the Erdtree aflame), not in the act of you becoming Lord, these two things happen to be correlated but are stll distinct.
Her Fate is to burn the Erdtree, that is why her mother created her.
It is satisfying to Melina and to me, the player, who can reach the Elden Ring. It is not satisfying to you because you cannot appreciate melancholic endings.
>It is satisfying to Melina
How do you know? She's fricking gone and, by all indications, still too mad to say a word to you. How does she feel about her life's purpose being simultaneously subverted and fulfilled? Who knows. It's a dangling thread.
I know because it's her Fate and she tells you that's what she wants DUH.
Again, you do not understand the meaning of Fate in the game. You didn't write the game, From did. You want to attribute your meaning to something instead of trying to understand the meaning of the writers. You approach a story with no humility, only with egocentrism and arrogance.
Also from the Blade of Calling description:
>Dagger given to one who set out on a journey to fulfill her duty long ago. The power of its former owner, the kindling maiden, is still apparent.
>kindling maiden
If this is not enough evidence for you then I don't know what else to tell you, you are hopeless.
Stop seeing things from your point of view.
>Again, you do not understand the meaning of Fate in the game.
Fate doesn't mean jackshit. People died by the thousands in Elden Ring without accomplishing their fates. You can do the entirety of Ranni's quest where she's supposedly trying to reach her fate and then kill her at the very last second, or take a different ending. Radahn spent thousands of years as a braindead zombie holding the fact of thousands of people back with the tip of his fricking wiener. Fate doesn't mean jackshit in Elden Ring. Either Fate is easy as frick to avoid in which case it has no value at all, or no character actually has any fricking idea what their Fate is in which case Melina has no reason to be so damn obfuscated on how she HAS to burn. Specially when that was something she decided in the fricking spur of the moment.
>You approach a story with no humility, only with egocentrism and arrogance.
Says the guy who's nothing short of calling everyone dissatisfied with this ending a brainlet and a philistine. You are so fricking full of yourself it's unbelievable.
>obfuscated
*obsessed
I don't know how I mixed those words.
>Specially when that was something she decided in the fricking spur of the moment.
That's not something she decided, it was given to her. You still refuse to acknowledge this, it's incredible.
I accept the vision of the creators, you refuse it and criticize them for not having the same vision as you. Who is more full of himself? Nuff said.
>That's not something she decided, it was given to her.
It's not. Good fricking lord there's been so many arguments already for why it's not. Marika didn't fricking tell her what her purpose was. She doesn't fricking get a big revelation or anything. She just decides her purpose is to burn on her own because she sees no alternative. The incredible thing here is how much you cover your ears and shout at this.
Let me help you see things from a different perspective.
I'll just fricking copypaste again since you clearly didn't bother reading.
>So I'm going to do the only thing I can think of and burn the Erdtree.
>Yeah makes sense.
>For which I need to burn myself alive.
>Uh, no, that's not necessary, we can use this needle here plus the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree.
If her purpose really was to help us go past the thorns, there were other ways to help. Like leveling us up, or helping in other fights like Morgott. "I have to die to accomplish it" is just some stupid shit she concluded on her own without looking for alternatives. She gave up on her own life just like Fromsoft gave up on this fricking game.
>character's motivations don't actually make sense in a fromsoft game
what do you expect anon, it's a japanese studio. They can't write for shit
It's well within reason that she finds the Frenzy Flame too objectionable to even consider it a possibility and she'd rather sacrifice herself than risk the birth of the Lord of the Frenzied Flame, even if you already have Miquella's Needle in hand. Still, it feels like the whole interaction could be more complex and complete than it is now without much effort on the dev's part.
But this is a greater symptom of Elden Ring writing. There's a lot of characters and world elements that could and should have some kind of interaction, but don't because they don't really let the plot threads intersect.
>Melina has absolutely nothing to say about Ranni's scheme or Dung Eater's rune or Fia's rune, yet comments on Boc of all people
>Ranni has nothing to say about fricking anything even though she's right there in your pocket
>You can find Godwyn, source of the deathroots, but there's no way to talk to Gurranq about it
>You can find Miquella but there's no way to talk to Malenia about it
It's weird because there are a couple times where there's a weird amount of interaction, like being able to go back and forth between Jerren and Iji for some extra dialogue.
Answer to all of this is that Fromsoft can't make games that aren't Dark souls game about how you are hollow soldier who walks around world where everyone lost their minds and kills other hollow soldiers.
They made world for a proper story and (allegedly) living characters in it, however looks like it's beyond their expertise to implement any interactions between those, so at execution level everyone are still hollow soldiers who stab each other and game doesn't contain anything much. Even them making Ranni's quest line is a miracle considering their usual approach.
Sekiro had a solid story with living, sane characters though. Though maybe that's because all the Dark Souls writers on staff were busy with Elden Ring at the time.
Sekiro is ripped straight from japanese pulp samurai flics
Sekiro also has 4 different fully comprehensible ending sequences that look nothing like mitsubishi's usual cryptic fart huffing. I think key is different publisher who actually forced them to make those things.
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There's a limit how "ambiguous" you can get before narrative simply comes apart from lack of cohesion between unrelated or outright contradictory scraps. Dark souls is ironically within that limit. ER is far beyond it.
Nah, you simply don't have the tools to understand what's in front of you.
It's not something you tell someone to do for frick's sake. It's a fantasy world. That purpose is built into your very being by a superior power.
God you are hopeless.
Your argument at this point just comes down to "Nobody says this in the game, it's not shown anywhere and we have proof that it doesn't work like that, but I know this because god talks to me in person".
that's pretty common in loretrannies
The game literally says that. You are refusing to acknowledge the evidence that's been provided to you.
When she says that her mother gave her her purpose, it doesn't mean that Marika told her go and do this. It means that her purpose was imbued in her at her birth. In a similar fashion Millicent must return Malenia's will to her.
It's a fricking fantasy world with its own rules, it's not our world.
You are doing what you are accusing me of doing. Even worse because you ignore evidence. Are you sure you're not israeli?
Projection.
>You are refusing to acknowledge the evidence that's been provided to you.
Because your evidence is dogshit and makes a harder case for the opposite.
>Her Fate is to burn the Erdtree, that is why her mother created her.
Holy shit Marika just can't stop doing vile shit to her family
>Have another child after all the shit involving shattering
>Only purpose is nasty death by getting burn alive
Why is she like this
She's a blonde white woman
how'd a literal dried up husk shit out a baby
It is possible that it happened before shattering. In this case Melina initially wasn't supposed to do anything like that but then marika said "oops looks like you're kindling now it's not up to discussion". Also important detail is that she has no physical body, and her appearance has traces of burns. Not sure what happened but it unlikely was pleasant experience.
is there any proof that marika is her mother?
No hard proof but some things she says can't be interpreted in any other way
so her backstory is literally "I'm going to kill myself" unless you mental gymnastics that she's the Queen's daughter
Birth in the Lands Between might work differently than in our world. People might just "sprout" if you will from the Erdtree.
Tarnished Archeologist talked about this.
Ah yes, Tarnished "Misbegotten are actually leading a crusade against the Haligtree in an effort to create a draco ic rootstock dynasty" Archaeologist. Anyone who takes this clown seriously could legitimately be led to believe anything so long as the video is really long and the person speaks with authority.
The frick are you talking about? His videos are all short and he never said any of that.
They're an hour+ each, what are you talking about? That's literally what he claimed in his latest video
Haven't watched the latest one yet. His longest video is 34 minutes, just checked.
You are mistaking him for someone else, maybe Smoughtown.
>"Misbegotten are actually leading a crusade against the Haligtree in an effort to create a draco ic rootstock dynasty"
What about everything else in the last video? Because I absolutely can understand not buying that final theory but everything else he said in the video was absolutely fine, especially the part about the Omen, something that he has clearly got right, unlike everyone else.
And the videos aren't really that long, most of them are 15 to 30 and something minutes long.
>Omen are remnants of draconic rootstock from the original greattree stump
Lol, this is definitely coherent and not undiluted schizo shit, his whole theory on the Erdtree being a grafted scion is based on ONE (1) piece of imagery with zero supporting text. I swear the only way someone thinks what he says is not total nonsense is if they've never delved into the lore themselves.
Trees and grafting aren't a new subject to From games, it was already in Sekiro.
>based on ONE (1) piece of imagery with zero supporting text
That's the whole point of his damn channel, dude.
Like I said, I understand not buying the crusade on the Haligtree thing, but everything else makes so much sense it's unreal.
It makes sense because he deliberately frames everything to fit his schizo theories, the idea that there was some stump that the Crucible grew from and the Erdtree was grafted onto (which also ignores how it's stated that the Crucible and Erdtree were the same entity) is backed up by NOTHING in game. It is essentially flowery fanfiction that illiterate morons believe because they can't bother to read two sentence long item descriptions themselves.
He never said the erdtree was grafted. The stump had many growths, one won over the others. The Erdtree was one of the many growths so you can say that the Erdtree was the Crucible, or at least one aspect of it.
The only schizo here is you. Stop behaving like a woman on her period.
okay loretroony
also your fanfiction is moronic
>the stump had many growths, one won over the others
That's straight up ignoring the origins of the Erdtree/Crucible. From the official website
>In the Lands Between ruled by Queen Marika the Eternal, the Elden Ring, the source of the Erdtree, has been shattered
There is no fricking stump
Frankly it seems like he's right. What do you have to dispute it?
>misbegotten are shown praying to a statue of the twins and are praying to the Haligtree itself, not the fricking Erdtree
>unlike the Misbegotten in Castle Morne, the Misbegotten in the Haligtree are either praying or asleep
>there is no signs of an active battle between Elphael and the Misbegotten, many Haligtree soldiers are depressed or looking at the horizon and don't even notice you walking by
>the area where they reside shows zero signs of battle damage and is mostly intact, with only the rot causing destruction
>the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order
You're so dumb it's unreal
>>the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order
The frick do you think are the Albinaurics doing there, especially the ones wrapped in cocoons?
Given Miquella's own cocooning it was an attempt to cure their physical deformities, but obviously with the failure of the tree and his kidnapping things went wrong. Latenna seemed eager to return to the Haligtree which was originally her home and Loretta's entire character revolces around being the Albinaurics Moses, and she still ferociously guards the tree despite everything that's happened. What are you even saying schizo?
>What are you even saying schizo?
That it's a fricking refuge for those shunned by the Golden Order, and that's what you even said yourself.
The frick are you even going around calling people ''schizo''? Stop acting like everyone's got something in you and discuss things properly and with calm.
Okay, what are you even arguing about then? What contention did you have with my original comment?
You're the one that made this post
, right?
Here you disputed ''>the entire narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary for those shunned by the Golden Order'' but here (
) you said the same damn thing as the Archaeologist.
Oh I meant that the narrative of the Haligtree being a sanctuary is what goes against what TA's schizo theory, where he claims that the Misbegotten are found in the Haligtree because they're actually at war with the tree for ??? reasons
Not him. I haven't watched the video yet but why does it matter if he's wrong on this one? I myself don't agree on certain things he believes but the guy is legit, he has many great takes and you can tell he recognizes the real life inspiration most of the time.
Definitely the best lore channel and I've been watching this shit since Dark Souls 1, he's in a different league.
well lore trannies should be told that they're not welcome here because all they do is pollute the board with their schizo fanfiction and then spam when it's pointed out
>real life inspiration
And here's another thing, this is total bullshit as Miyazaki has outright stated his main inspirations. From a gameinformer interview
>It's difficult to give any one single inspiration that had a major impact on Elden Ring. There have been a lot of different works that influenced the creative process in various ways – The Lord Of The Rings, The Eternal Champion series of novels by Michael Moorwiener, aspects of tabletop RPGs such as RuneQuest, etc.
What's that? It's all mainstream pop fantasy and video games? Not fricking 7th century Umayyad architecture? 99% of the architecture in From games can be explained by "they thought it looked cool" any attempt to pull some tortured connection to obscure ancient mythology that 15 people in Japan have heard of, and not lime MtG cards or RPGs, is pseud moronation
RuneQuest is the definition of tortured connection to obscure ancient mythology.
Why does she keep her eye closed?
Is that her power limiter?
She's a chunni
Which is why she's so cute
I just want to turn Melina into the mother of my children.
How do people even decipher hand written moon runes?
anon that's one of the easier / easiest things to decipher in the OP...
3 very properly-written kana triggered that response from you?
>Reinforce my weapon to +25, making it capable of killing gods
>Kill Rykard with it
>"No one can keep me captive, a serpent never dies."
Inhale the copium, loser. Screen said "Demigod felled", and your Great Rune is now mine.
well yeah, rykard died
the serpent is immortal though as long as you keep reviving it
Dung Eater helps you for more bosses in your journey than Melina does.
>finally do the traveling level-up Maiden they wanted for Dark Souls 1
>make her NOT sit at each bonfire with you
What's their fricking problem?
A team pureasu undasutando.
That's the only thing that really weirds me out. They didn't have to have dialog at each Grace, but she should have shown up any time you selected the Level Up option.
Small independent company
Who cares about Melina, she's not even large. Tiche is there for you every fight if you want her.
Help me unlock my wife, how do I avoid that annoying jump attack from Alecto?
you either see it coming and run, jump R2 her out of it, or bloodhound dodge. Remember, she is easily stunned with breaking of poise. The way to fight her is to not be afraid of fighting her.
Also if you're playing an INT character just spam a weapon art like Moonveil's or the MLGS frost buff since frost can help out a shit ton.
I'm running a dex/arc bleed build, do you guys think spamming the weapon art from the bloodhound blade will be enough?
Well there's no shame in trying, I don't think it'll help when she starts spamming her Destined Death attacks but I could be wrong. Surprised you aren't just running RoB but guess you're not at that part of the game.
Rob isn't really my cup of tea I wanted mogh trident or the bleed twinblade, but I have no idea how to reach mogh's palace. I was doing a dagger build, but the damage is so shit and the range is so garbage (even with bleed) that I just changed to dual bandit curved swords.
>but I have no idea how to reach mogh's palace
You have to kill the worst boss in the game and find the elevator to get to one of the worst areas in the game the fricking snowfield holy shit
>Worst boss
Worse than fricking astel and his "nothing personal kid" grab?
You fought that commander boss in Caelid to get the gold needle? Alright what if we made that boss but ten times worse and in a fricking cramped arena so fighting him solo is cancerous as FRICK.
also have fun homosexual there's another Astel and he's on steroids
>Another astel
Tiche pls save me, I want to go home
If it makes you feel better it's completely optional and you get nothing from fighting it. However I hope you liked the fricking optional snowfield area in Dark Souls 2 because the place you need to go to find Mohg is just as bad if not fricking WORSE!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Do white mask varre's questline
Would've been cool if you got to hang out with ending related characters more. Like maybe taking out a town of npcs with dungeater to make more curses, or having sex with death girl multiple times on screen to give her mana or whatever.
That sounds incredibly gross and pozzed. No thanks. I don't know why people like you even play these games, go play a Western game. Go play The Witcher and leave me the game I like.
They could have had Melina occasionally show up while you're on horseback to talk with you about the area you are in.
So if Ranni is the daughter of Rennala why is she considered a demigod?
Because Radagon is her daddy?
Same with Rykard and Radahn
Because Radagon = marika. Didn’t you play the game?
Wait so Marika is troony who married himself? Wtf
Radagon is a schizo alternate personality born of Marika due a mixture of divine power and cognitive dissonance.
Ok so Marika is a goddess who went schizo, made a male counterpart who went off to frick Rennala. Then when Marika's husband fricked off she retrieved her male counterpart to marry him, spawning multiple demigods during this whole process. Is that alright?
Mostly. Radagon's manifestation probably happened after Godfrey got kicked out though
Honestly Miyazaki's writing is intentionally vague so that you can feel smart when you fill in holes yourself, however in this case it's probably not "going schizo" though, Marika's plan from the start seemed to be to challenge the golden order, the Tarnished are one part of that Godfrey and his armies were banished specifically so that they could become stronger and then come back, Radahn challenged the stars and won the golden order worships eldritch space beasts, Ranni plans to go on a thousand year journey among the stars, it's just as likely that seducing Rennala and having children was a back up plan to the Tarnished as anything and they seem to be succeeding to that end
Its common for gods in mythologies to have split personals that take on different forms but are still that god.
Its all over the place in Hindu Religion and for a common western understanding God the Father, God the Son, and The Holy Spirit are all the one true god in Christian Religion are they not?
It was extremely common in ancient greek/hellenistic religions too gods would often have epithets attached to their names in certain regions where they emphasized only certain aspects of them, there's also things like gods splitting off from previous gods with their previous lives still being acknowledged
Godfrey and marika had the omens and godwyn. Radagon(marika) and Rennala had Ranni, rykard, and Radahn. Radagon and marika had Malenia and Miquella
Frick if you wanted to get a bit more meta with it you can even pull the Radagon and Marika fused later idea by saying its symbolic of when different mythological figures get rolled into others as their cultures become inter-meshed.
Same way that the Rune bearers all represent twisted variants of classical heroic archetypes.
Radagon's children were adopted into the royal family once he married Marika, source are the remembrances, I believe. Plus if you believe Radagon was always Marika that would make them always royal scions.
Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn are demigod stepchildren, given the title when Radagon married Marika. They MIGHT also be demigods by blood if Radagon was Marika from the start.
Why did people default to prisoner as a main character?
funny helmet
funny helmet
Griffithgays.
I'm about to start a Guts larping run, wish me luck.
Also is there a lore reason why most enemies are zombies and why do they want to kill you on sight?
the curse
>Also is there a lore reason why most enemies are zombies
Marika stole the rune of death and gave it to Maliketh to hide which he did by sealing it in his sword, this is a partial explanation of why enemies respawn when you rest at grace
>how do we kill bosses then
Typical souls loophole, there isn't a definitive answer, the two most plausible theories are either similar to how the rune of death was bound to an item the bosses could be bound to the items they give or that they simply take longer to regenerate than your typical nameless soldiers
It's also possible that the tarnished can kill things for good, death doesn't work in the lands between because the rune of death was stolen, the tarnished isn't from the lands between though and we can assume death still works in the outside world and you might bring that power with you, we also know other Tarnished can at the very least kill each other, Fia, D and the dung eater are all examples
Things like blackflame and the black knives that have been previously imbued with death can also permanently kill too but that has more to do with the death rune's power
God she's so kissable
Why doesn't Ranni care about you killing her mother?
Because you don't kill her mother?
Sorry, I just reached Rennala boss fight but got killed on the second phase. Will try again today. You don't kill her at the end?
The second part is just a simulacrum Ranni conjured ages ago to protect her mother from anyone who might try to kill her. Ranni's voice playing there is also just a "recording" left, she's not aware you're there at that moment. The actual Rennala fight is just the first part where you beat her and her students up, then once you beat the simulacrum part of Ranni's spell includes giving you the great rune so you won't have a reason to keep fighting her.
Thanks! It makes sense now.
It's not like the game explains stuff that clearly though. Also I'm moronic when it comes to reading between lines.
Don't spoil the game for yourself, leave the tread.
I don't really care for lore spoilers. I honestly don't understand most of what's happening in the game unless I look it up.
But you don't kill her mum
Because you actually didn't. Also death is broken or something
because you killed an astra projection?
why dont you finish the game before you look everything up on the internet?
>
thanks melina i am running a moonveil build anyway
Fia>all other girls
Anon No! Don't trust her!
So Fia didn't actually got to frick any corpse, right? She is pure, r-right?
>deathbed companion
sure anon, she's pure lol
It doesn't seem like it. Her dialog is a bit unclear:
>I was known as a Deathbed Companion, where I come from. After I received the warmth and lifely vigour from a number of champions, I lay with the remains of an exalted noble, to grant him another chance at life. To do so is the purpose of my being. But before I could bear the noble into new life, I was awakened by the guidance of grace, and chased from my birthplace.
The way this is worded is ambiguous. She definitely fricked a bunch of big dick boys to get their vigour, but the wording she uses is that she "lay with the remains of an exalted noble," which could mean fricked or could mean that she literally lay beside the corpse. She didn't get to do the big frick to bring him back, though.
If you finish her quest though, she definitely ends up fricking Godwyn's corpse:
>"I will soon lay with Godwyn. To conceive my child, the rune. Brandish my rune, and take for yourself the throne. Stay the persecution of Those Who Live in Death. By becoming our Elden Lord."
>"This is goodbye, my dear. But I am satisfied. I choose to lie with Godwyn of my own will. Not the remains of one chosen for me. And I will bear a child. Who will inherit your warmth, too. What greater blessing could there be, but to be born a Deathbed Companion?"
Rogier please leave.
>TFW never hugged her
Based skelly sleeper denier, that b***h must reek so fricking bad. Doesn't help she cucks you with half the roundtable.
>he missed the best dragon fight in the game
A good bossfight isn't worth the amount of bullshit this woman will put you through.
bro just hug her bro it's fine she's just sapping your life energy just do it bro
Where does all the Ranni simping come from? This is my first time playing and I just ignored her and didn't even bother with her questline. All the annoying simping and people never shutting up about her has really soured me up about her. The only thing she did useful was giving me the spirit calling bell. If any of the girls Roderika would be the one I like.
She has a good quest.
I couldnt even finish her quest since theres no quest log and I had no clue what to do
How far did you get in it? Have you finished the game already? It's a pretty hard quest to fail.
I remember a part where I knew of a place I was meant to go to, but the map didnt have place markers so I was stuck.
ah yes, the part where you know where you are meant to go! that's easy one anon, next you need to go to
well more like "go to sheldon street" but maps dont exist with streets written on them and you have to randomly walk around hoping you find sheldon street.
It's probably the easiest quest in the game to follow. Characters or item descriptions tell you where to go at each leg.
Waifugays took her dismissive and sarcastic praise as being genuine
Its literally just that there's an ending where you marry her, simps love that shit in games
Not a simp, but I understood once I talked to the Ranni doll and she went
>Oh no I talked too much... forget what I just said... forget...
This line was cute no matter if she was honest or deceiving here.
>Where does all the Ranni simping come from?
In a grimdark game where everything is broody and everyone you meets dies horribly one way or the other, the one character with moe anime dialogue becomes very impacful
Rodericka is cute, but she kinda stops being a character very quickly.
First time I semi roleplayed a sorcerer during my initial playthrough, so she and her questline were a perfect fit for my character.
I never really could get into sorcery in the previous games, but they really tried to make it more interesting and involved in this one, with many fights feeling like they were made for range characters. Malenia was rough though, but thankfully frost worked pretty well against her.
Did you not find night comet? It's hard counter to malenia and all other input reading homosexuals, it simply shits on them. There is sublime satisfaction in switching off that homosexual mechanic.
Pretty sure I found all spells, but mostly thought of that one for pvp shenanigans. This is actually the first time I hear about it and I assume she doesn't dodge it, which would make perfect sense now that I think about it. I mostly used Adula's Moonblade during the fight, since even should she try and dodge, the sweep still reaches her if your positioning is on point
She just got a lot of content for ER (while your average NPC got nothing) and what
says. The most Melina had is her hating your guts but that requires FF
>If any of the girls Roderika would be the one I like.
Based Roderika enjoyer, only girl that stood with me at the end of it all
Precious cinnamon roll
I just used jellyfish till the end lol
It felt fitting
Most touching moment in vidya in the last decade
Mimic Tear is my waifu.
MY OWN CLONE
>dress in a cute female outfit(fias maybe)
>summon mimic
>dress yourself normally
The perfect wife.
>tfw we were robbed of mimic tear waifu quest where she would merge with you and become a copy of yourself
She is so pretty wtf
She killed millions
Personally I wanna frick the small Ranni doll more than Ranni
MAI WAIFU
I just wanted her to be an actual guide and real character
kek Morgott is great in that.
Well that is the whole premise of the thing isn't it?
Meh, I like her being basically Rei but an actual character. This comic is nothing like Melina
So this is why Vyke and Bernahl gave up on becoming Elden lords
Well they had different maidens.
Yeah, but the point still stands. Had Melina been a real character, more people would have likely gone with the finger option like Vyke instead of letting her kill herself willy nilly.
Vyke was a moron though since he had a backup waifu
thanks
I would become Elden Lord if Melina was like this. Ranni's world seems to be the best outcome though since a universe reset removes all the conflict with the erdtree
I'd go with the Goldmask ending if it actually also helped remove the root of the problem. But unfortunately Ranni is the only one who actually does something to get rid of the eldritch parasite.
It angers me that we will literally never get any more Melina content. Those Black folk used her as marketing material then gave her literally no content in game
> literally no content in game
Main problems of ER is that its empty
Theres no characters to build relationships with and you just have npcs to kill
>forgot about boc
>forgot about alexander
The situation with Malenia is funny for me, as she was pretty much the face of the game before release, and in game she's irrelevant 95% of the time, known as a knuckleheaded autist and walking demon core in lore and in gameplay only remembered for one meme move.
I just wanted a qt Rei knockoff companion that had actual dialogue and character development
Well, that's Miyazaki for you, he can't give a character more than a few lines of dialogue.
>steals the heroine role
Nothing personel melina cucks
The current version of the Needle is a hacked together solution, this is the true problem.
There's cut content surrounding Malenia, for whom the Needle was made.
There's cut content surrounding Miquella, who created it in the first place.
There's weird connections between Mohg's blood cult, Miquella and the Frenzied Flame, like how Yura who hunts Bloody Fingers becomes Shabriri, how Mohg guards the path to the Frenzied Flame, how Miquella was once the character who taught the Merchants that song they play
To me it seems like you weren't meant to find out what to do based upon the description only we the player can know about, but instead it may have been possible others would've guided you there.
In the current version, the Tarnished does a weird series of steps that make no sense to anyone that isn't the player. They didn't write anything around that because it wasn't planned for.
Miquella's Needle isn't even the same Unalloyed Gold Needle Malenia had and Millicent used. You get a different one by returning Malenia's will to her bloom.
And both Mohg and Morgott guard the Frenzied Flame Proscription, not just Mohg. Mohg guards it via apparition, Morgott via direct seal. It's why Morgott doesn't label his brother among the "willful traitors" when confronting the Tarnished. Both of them know the Frenzied Flame is bad news.
I wonder what Morgott thinks about the whole kidnapping of their younger brother by Mohg. He probably doesn't even know, but still I don't see him liking it even if he doesn't think much of Miquella at all.
He despises Miquella for minding own business instead of slurping on tree, so it's not like he would mind Mogh using him as an onahole.
Does Morgott even know Mohg exists? He didn't set out a chair for him like he did for all the other demigods.
Melina is best girl and always will be. RanBlack folk are moronic
So do you guys think there will be a dlc or expansion coming soon.
After Sekiro's DLC
Actually frick katakana. What's the fricking point? God damn it it shows up so infrequently that I have an easier time remembering Kanji.
>infrequently
If you're learning to play games, you will be seeing it everywhere.
I want Hyetta gf
Melina ows me sex.
I carried her all the way to Leyndell and then all the way to some stupid mountain in the middle of nowhere just to see her become ash.
She better be in the DLC somehow and she better offer her body as payment.
Chaosbros, she will pay us
Melina might genuinely be the worst written character From has ever made
Others take the Frenzied Flame to save Melina.
I take the Frenzied Flame to actually get the ending to spite her for being such a moronic b***h.
>Vast majority of Black person ITT did not go frenzied flame
Disgusting
Also the manga is better at giving ER a story than ER itself
I do wonder how things will play out now after Godrick didn't actually die and in fact got a better thing going now in Limgrave so that Nepheli and Keenth can still do their story.
>incel flame
>trying to kill Foreskin Duo at RL15/+2
I wish flame of the redmanes and/or carian retaliation was not nerfed. This is hell. So much fricking health.
Either learn to parry the frickers or use something with sleep. St. Trina's sword, St. Trina's arrows, sleep pots, and you can also inflict scarlet rot.
yeah I forget I can parry a lot of the bosses but if I frick up once I'm dead
I do have Trina's Torch and Sword, but it's still a bit before I can get one of them to sleep and then I have to not die
Why are you doing that? What items do you even need past the foreskin duo?
I want Goldmask's set.
Ah, yeah, fair. It is the best bawd set in the game, after all
Truth.
Honestly I got the Zamor leggings and they're pretty close, but Ashen Capital gets me some goodies along with that so I might as well.
By the way, before you put more time into this, you did remember NOT to finish Edgar's quest, right? Since that drops a +8 weapon
Yes, thankfully, because I fricked up a low RL character months ago by getting Rogier's rapier, so I avoided the halberd and the rapier because I'm still mad about it.
Really regular co op and PvP in appropriate areas which is why I'm trying to get all of it.
But why do you need to be at RL 15 for it? I got the set but was at level 220
He wants to twink invade while dressed like a bawd
basically this
but also I do co op and hunter stuff because it's fun
I have characters at appropriate level for stuff but I like having fun at low RL too
>carian retaliation was not nerfed.
It still a parry machine, which is all you need for the Duo.
>get them down to 10 percent HP with just Oleg and Bernhal
>they die
>kiting them with arrows
>fat frick rolls
>rolls
>rolls more
>get hit
>fall down
>keeps rolling
>never stops
>die
I hate this fricking game so fricking much.
>rolling to the side is like 50/50 on whether you get hit
>rolling through fatty is safe
I get that iframes are a necessity, but you're supposed to aim to make things look believable. Fricking Tanimura.
yeah it's bullshit
It's also bullshit that if you get knocked into a wall you are basically dead because he will just roll in place over your body until you get up and get hit again
FINALLY fricking got him, and it's literally just because of Bernhal
Oleg died about half way through but for whatever reason that dude was a tank and just distracted them while I used Dragonice, poison arrows and flies
and it's dumb as hell because it seems like it's literally just RNG if they will behave or not
I'd gotten them down to 10-25% semi-consistently but other times they would just lock Bernhal in a corner and gang bang him with black flame int he first 30 seconds and kill him
now to just fricking get maliketh somehow
Imagine how much better Elden Ring would've been if they just reduced the needlessly huge map, had a straight forward story and more interesting combat (multiple weapon arts would help). Miyazaki is slowly starting to piss me off with the overly cryptic bullshit, also we need a ending where I make nephili Elden Lord and she lets me mind my own business reading books and cuddling with Rennala.
Shut
The
FRICK
Up
Nobody agrees with you fricking autists and your arbitrary hate of open world exploration.
I like open world exploration my guy, dragon's dogma is one of my favorite games, but Elden Ring is WAY too big. It doesn't help that most mini-dungeons have bad bosses and even worse loot most of the time, it makes exploring even more unrewarding. They should've focused more on legacy dungeons since they were the high point of the game.
I agree with him on the map. The open world is neat at first until you start to recognize the patterns and notice places where it's stretched thin. Really hurts replayability, which is a shame since it's fun to engage with the actual content in different ways.
>copypastes and recycles content everywhere
omg open world so gud
melina's feet
what about them?
The expansions will come soon and I can't wait to fight pseudo-Meli in one of them.
Starting to feel like Melina needed to level up her own intelligence after all.
>Rennala
>Tiche
>The aubinauric lady
>Rya
>Malenia
What's up with this game and tall queens? Not that I'm complaining
God I wish SPARTANs were real
One of Miyazaki's many fetishes
My hunchback wife Zorayas
Now that's an actual fricking well done story on how to make a suicidal character that you can still save.
best girl.
smellina
What did they mean by this?
They both died.
Where they homos?
Sounds like something a fujo intern would write.
It means that if his brother had a strong will, strength and ambition they would have fought over the leadership but since his brother didn't he was no threat to him therefore he could just love him and not fear him.
I got the mod that makes it so Melina always sits with you at the Graces and it’s incredible how such a tiny change can make me like her so much more
It’s always nice seeing her show up even if I’m just gonna sit down for a second it’s a nice reminder she’s still with me on our adventure
I wish the game didn’t force you to set the erdtree on fire
>ywn have a Ranni wife
How do you cope?
>The one time I don't go for an INT caster build
>Character with the most involved sidequest gives MLGS as a wedding gift
Goddamn it. I really wish I could do like radagon did and convert it to a fatih weapon for shits and giggles.
where the ranni doujins at?
>Lorekeks going on schizo rambles again
Classic
I FRICKING DID IT Ganker, GOD BLESS GUARD COUNTER!!
Quick, where can I find a Ghost Glovewort 8, it's the only one I'm missing
in the snowfield's grave. have fun.
I found one in nokstella, but guess tiche will have go be in back seat coz I don't have enough fp to summon her...
Congrats. I totally forgot how nerve wrecking this fight was for me, but then I did this area before setting foot in leyndell. At least every other assassin I encountered after got absolutely bullied
I was getting my shit kicked because she's imune to bleed and that jump attack is a one shot even at 40 vigor. But I found that you can dodge out of it with light roll, and that since she staggers easily you can guard counter her to death, though it's not exactly a fun way to win.
well if you've been playing the game this long and haven't realized the game isn't designed to be fun then you might be moronic
I still hold the opinion that, much like bloodborne tried to do, and sekiro succeeded in doing, this game could stand do more to differentiate itself from souls games.
Everyone on the internet seems to think Marika was a coldhearted b***h but she seems extremely committed to preserving life and ultimately freeing everyone from her mistake of removing Destined Death.
>Everyone on the internet seems to think Marika was a coldhearted b***h
Sum of records of her actions imply as much. She was outstandingly, like robot tier psychopathic even for a ruler position that demands to be coldblooded. Almost everyone close to her ended up on chopping block one way or another. 1937 USSR tier purge but done to her own family.
>but she seems extremely committed to preserving life and ultimately freeing everyone from her mistake of removing Destined Death.
It is unclear what exactly did she want. Apparently she was some kind of leader, and her first decision we know about was entering servitude to some alien eldritch abomination and subjugating all other life of the world that was hostile to it, on terms that abomination will make her world's ruler. She didn't like sharing that power considering she threw her husband away after he played his part in securing it. Most likely reason why did she crash existing order, is finding out that boss wants to replace her and take her power away.
So Melina is Marika right? Like Marika pre-Radagon
I agree, I am of the opinion that the relationship between Marika and Melina is the same as that of Malenia to Millicent. Basically they aren't literally 1:1 the same person but I think Melina is some kind of offshoot of Marika, meant to embody her ideals and goals after she shattered herself. This would also explain why she is bodiless (born after the shattering somehow from a fricked up fused Marika/Radagon) and why there is no mention of her in the Lands Between's mythology, almost nobody knew who she was or that she even existed as she was born after the shattering without a real body while an apocalyptic war was happening with Marika and Radagon MIA
Reminder that Ranni literally ruined the world just because Marika married her dad
I love girls with daddy issues
She did it because she didn't want to be greater will's frickpuppet. Space homosexual finally stumbled on someone who refused to be its b***h and got its clown show nuked as a result. Should have just knew measure.
thank god I had 8 larval tears, now I can finnaly have fun with this game
BIG
INVISIBLE
TICHE
breasts
I knew she was tall, but I didn't expect to be at the perfect height for standing cunningulus...
Also while we're at it, am I just a mega coomer or the black knifes grab attack is kinda hot
A deal is a deal...
ATIVA O WINDOWS MACACO1!!!!!
waifu