>Hey DM can I use X homebrew in your game?
>”No”
>Ok than I’m playing a Twilight Cleric
Am I the only one who threatens dms who don’t allow homebrew by playing horribly unbalanced 1st party options. Like the only reason you play dnd 5e already is because of all the home brew it’s objectively a shit system without holding it together.
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When I had a group, my DM banned all the options he didn't like anyway.
if he's letting you play it than he dosen't care anon, not really a threat
sounds like he was competent
No, that sounds really petty and lame.
>>Ok than I’m playing a Twilight Cleric
>"No, you're not."
Now what, OP?
>Hold on for a sec, are you the DM or is this a Wendy's?
Post the homebrew shit you weren't allowed to bring.
Kibblestastey shit. Brawler Fighter.
I’m more or less pissed that I’ve been trying to convince my irl group to play literally anything other than 5e after they complained about the system. My online groups are far better about this stuff but putting everything through roll20 or foundries a pain in the ass.
Are you attempting to actually run something other than 5e or are you just trying to convince someone else to run something else? If it's the former, either put your foot down that you're running it and they can either show up or miss out and you just find better players. If it's the latter, run it yourself.
If this is all because you want to be a player in a different system, running something that isn't 5e is still a better way to find a non-5e game.
Just get out of the bubble.
This.
When I was a "player" at my D&D table, I brought up numerous observable problems with D&D here in response to claims of how "good" of a "game" it is, and the only thing morons could come back with was "rewrite what you don't like" at varying levels of passive-aggression and sarcasm.
5etards are impossible to reason with, and now that I'm designing my own games, I get to make exactly what I want.
Oh my god.
Even pretending to be this autistic puts you on the spectrum.
How has /tg/'s trolling become so fricking braindead. This dumb homosexual will have no problem making these same kind of shitposts endlessly, and there's no checks in place to keep him from even spending the half a second to realize how much of a moronic homosexual he is.
Is it desperation? Has /tg/'s population dropped so much that he needs to sink this low just to get any attention?
It’s definitely the former, “build gays” genuinely cannot run a game. Their ADHD minds quickly become bored when they aren’t making builds. Additionally, whenever the players get too strong is stresses them out because then their Mary Sue (anime inspired) npcs may be threatened. So they go back to playing, not learning a single lesson
>Kibblestastey shit. Brawler Fighter.
I wasn't bothered by it until I read this.
>Legendary Feat
>At 18th level, you can perform legendary feats that defy all common sense. Before you make an attack roll, saving throw, or Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution ability check, you can make it a legendary feat, adding your Fighter level to the roll.
>Once you do so, you cannot do so again until you complete a short or long rest.
Chances are you will never reach level 18, but shit like this makes everything by the guy go straight to the trash.
why does automatically succeeding at something once per short rest bother you so badly as a Tier 4 martial feature when Wizards can automatically succeed at any of those same exact things starting from level 2 via portent. Except Portent is even stronger since you can also make enemies automatically fail shit or help allies auto succeed.
The new play test fighter already lets indomitable add fighter level to saving throws too lmao he was literally ahead of WOTC's own design team
why? it's utterly underwhelming. if it was a level one feat i probably still wouldn't bother taking it.
>This is an 18th level ability
I really can't see why this bothers you. Auto-succeeding a single roll once per short rest is so pathetically underwhelming. By the time you're 18th level you already have so many bonuses that this seems like an insult. Maybe if you added your level to damage it might be something other than dogshit.
+20 damage once per rest would still be trash.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Don't try and respond in the future, sport.
Of course, you won't actually point out anything I said that I was wrong, since I was correct on every point.
It's a single use feature lmao, it's not nearly as good as you think it is
>Brawler Fighter
I’d reject it because it doesn’t gel with a lot of the homebrew already in place. I’ve already given all martials access to Battle Master maneuvers with another 70+ options and an actual scaling system, along with invocation-style supplemental features. Too much of this ends up being redundant with what fighters can already do or otherwise working against changes that I’ve made.
Mind sharing your changes? I have been trying to revamp/buff martials myself.
Sure. Here's the full kit and caboodle:
https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/F3VbqnngDwRL
And here's the more modular, just-the-martials stuff:
https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/Vp2RHfxuAwBI
Play a different game.
The main issue is the request for homebrew from the player, DMs should be offering homebrew from the beginning and asking players if they have any they'd like to use. If a DM doesn't, I already am suspicious of them.
That said, literally no one cares if you play an overpowered class, this isn't a competitive game. Go ahead, be super useful. If you really hate the DM, be flaky with your schedule and disruptive out of character, and don't take anything seriously. That would be much more effective.
>That said, literally no one cares if you play an overpowered class
A lot of people care.
>DMs should be offering homebrew from the beginning and asking players if they have any they'd like to use
This. A good DM knows some random rules fixes for whatever system to make things more fun/tailored to what game they want to run.
A great DM provides HB options for their players to better play in the game.
You are a homosexual and your mind has been rotted by 5e. You will be a homosexual in any other game. Don't go into the game with such a shitty attitude, go into it wanting to have a good time and understanding that's why the DM will probably so no to shitty homebrew.
>Ok than I’m playing a Twilight Cleric
Also banned.
>implying I as the DM don't already ban OP 1st party options
>”Sure thing, here’s the Twilight Domain rework that we use. Twilight Sanctuary requiring concentration isn’t a problem for you, right?”
>Sorry, no Twilight Clerics either in this game.
What now, cuck boy?
And that's why i fricking despise nud&d and derivatives: playeronly buildhomosexuals and subhumans scavengering charoptions everywhere always assuming they can use them regardless. Run literally anything else and this doesn't happen.
>Inb4 powerplaying and/or minmaxing are system agnostic
Yes but i don't have a problem with those, i have issues in tardwrangling cretins that want to play lego with ALL the options in existence for a game (and not always for optimization purpose, there are also the ones that look everywhere for making the most inane ocdonutsteel freaks) because they automatically assume they are all alway available and b***h when you veto them. Other games are either more focused or aren't as known leaving fricking space for the GM in designing a game that make some sense, if you then want to crunch numbers with what i deemed available be my guest.
OP is the homosexual author of the John Wick play dirty thread.
you really think i can't handle someone playing mediocre, unoptimized shit like twilight cuck in my game? lmao. 5urries are a joke
Adventurers not so tough after hobgoblin closes the dungeon door on them and refuses to come out.
And how many tables have you been kicked from for being a vindictive dick?
>a Twilight Cleric
Then I reply "No you not"
You sound like a c**t.
If a player "threatened" me with anything, I will rip his sheet in half and boot him faster than the speed of light. Also, I'm sick and tired of these fricking inflammatory, shitty threads spammed on this moronic gay board. I'm just so tired of it. But there's nowhere else I can talk about my favorite hobby.
You won't do anything and I'll frick your wife.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm running GURPS.
If you're playing GURPS, you fundamentally have to have banned some books unless you're playing Furry Cowboys and Ninja Aliens playing together.
Look, if you want to play someone larping as a cowboy or ninja in my alien space furries game I'm not gonna stop you.
That would imply my players are open to reading all the books themselves and don't just use the ones I bring to the table when I'm telling them to roll characters.
My group is my friends, if my friend doesn't want something in his campaign, I'd rather come to an understanding and trust his judges than do something as uncharitable as blackmail the table with a bad time.
Especially blackmail the dude who can literally dictate shit at the table. Like, you're not "punishing" anyone who can, at any time, say your shit doesn't work if he gets fed up with you.
>My group is my friends
I feel like a good chunk of problems fa/tg/uys seem to have at the table stem from them hating or, worse, being indifferent to the people they play with.
I play with my friends exclusively, so being this petty towards my GM or a fellow player wouldn't even come to my mind.
No you're not, I don't allow whatever that is at my table either, not my problem
>Am I the only one who threatens dms who don’t allow homebrew by playing horribly unbalanced 1st party options
I hope this is bait because that is so stupidly petty that I can't imagine how awful the life you've made for yourself is.
>DM being a b***h who obviously fudges rolls
>Goes batshit whenever we try to deviate or have ideas of our own
>Get an idea
>Suddenly, out of the blue, over half my rolls are nat 20s.
>Keep saying I'm just really lucky
>DM demands I roll using a webcam
>Say I don't have one (lie)
>He demands we move to online rolling
>All the other players complain because they like rolling real dice
Figured out how to win this dogshit game.
you guys were playing online and just trusting each other on your dice rolls? the frick? is the dm like nine years old or something?
>Abuse a trust based system
You are a fricking homosexual and also based af
What's wrong with Twilight Cleric? Is it busted like 3.5 clerics?
It gets multiple domains' gimmicks as its own, and it gets an ability that is very strong if you play whiteroom combat. You can basically fill out any weakness in your character by praising the Twilight novels.
It is not actually that busted, but it is a bit 'gee why does your mom let you have two wieners' in addition to the kind of people who struggle the most with making fights interesting and dynamic are also the people hit hardest by Twilight's gimmick (it's just an AoE of temp HP).
>It gets multiple domains' gimmicks as its own
I can't actually tell what you're talking about with this.
Cleric has subclasses at level, specialisations, each subclass has a gimmick. Some gets limited wizard spells, some get heavy armour proficiency, some get passive features like darkvision. Twilight Cleric gets all of the above.
(me) Christ I need to get on the ball and proofread.
>at level 2
>get limited wizard spells
>Twilight Cleric
>limited wizard spells
wut
Let the twilight into your heart and learn how to cast both Sleep and Greater Invisibility, ye of little faith.
Literally ALL clerics get domain spells.
nta, but when I was playing an order cleric it felt like my domain spells were paladin spells. Am I wrong?
Why didn't they put that in BG3 instead of the useless trickery domain? Shar would have that in her portfolio right?
Why is that art so familiar?
as opposed to a static fight, where nothing happens.
Twilight's channel divinity provides roughly the same temporary hit points as life's restores hit points............................. per round for 10 rounds. There's more, but the rest is so paltry compared to that (though still good compared to other subclasses' features) that they aren't worth mentioning.
You don't play in my games so I don't care. Wow little kids do cringy stuff, some times? Oh my stars! I had better never do any stuff, ever again, out of fear of being associated with them!
>Okay, the campaign will take place mostly in daylight.
>Your first quest is retrieving your stolen holy symbol.
heh, nah.
The fact you think this is even a slight hinderance is hilarious.
It is, and you're furious.
>Stolen holy symbol
They can paint it on their shield anyway and their level 6 flight works in their channel divinity regardless of the light level.
A holy symbol is a physical object.
yeah, and a painted shield is a physical object. stay mad.
NTA but why are holy symbols even a thing if they're weightless, free, and can be replaced by doodling on your shield if it's ever lost or stolen? What's the point?
>I'm a fishman with a whip
>Notice that the enemy priest has a shield with their heathen god on it
>I whip the shield with my whip
>Disarm
>Shield is now in the water where I can correctly deface it later, after the glorious battle we are about to win
>The world freezes and from up above where the players sit I can hear them arguing about how this is totes unfair and adversarial GMing
>There is nothing better than being a fishman
Gotta admire the balls on someone who picks a class "everyone knows" is weak and then b***h about being weak and demanding homebrew buffs. Balls so big it impacts blood flow to the brain.
Sacred cow from older editions, like many things that 5e invalidates like somatic/verbal components on 90% of spells
>like many things that 5e invalidates like somatic/verbal components on 90% of spells
?
isn't that just the limited sorcerer feature, plus very few other skills? (level 20 wildshaped druid, telekinetic feat for mage hand)
A lot of people think for some reason that you can whisper spells and perform components under a cloak or some shit to get that sorcerer feature for free.
it's the same people who ignore/homebrew every rule for spellcasting that later whine about OP casters
>Having to explain to players that if they claim spellcasters can perform somatic components in chains "So long as they can wiggle their fingers", then prison guards are going to start breaking their fingers.
the point is frick DMs, and frick you.
>it's another episode of "the DM, who has unlimited overpowered options, is threatened by my soulless netbuild"
You cheat only yourself.
Based as frick ngl. Balanced homebrew is more fun than the majority of official options
>Am I the only one who
Yes. Have you tried not being the D&D cancer?
>start a new campaigh with newbie female dm
>wanna play a full caster,pick sorc,she warns me people hate casters in this world
>first sesssion have to wear a cuff that prevents met from casting spells during a celebration yet for some reason our 2 druids get to walk around cuff free(i'm buttmad)
>literally spend 2 hours in game trying to get cuff off or find someone who can help me,won't get it off till the combat of course
>sessions pass, with hard combats only and some sessions we have 2-3 combats and i'm always out of Sorc points
>ask if i can get 1 more sorc point or atleast get some back on a short rest
>gm "no",wierd considering anyone with half a brain will tell you monks and sorcs needs more points
>only full caster in group so i'm constantly useless with out spellslots or sorc points,having to rely on cantrips for 1 to 2 combats each session
>get fed up espically since we been 5 goddamn session at level 3(the level we started as), gm says "we do milestone leveling"
>just decided to be a different character as full casters are fricked in this campaigh.
>pick a cool uncommon race,gm fights me at first but the accepts it if she edits it's ablities it comes with(race firbolg)
>wtftim.jpg.
In all seriousiness sorc just needed to be revamped and she has good sessions with neat combats. Her issue is she is not confident in her own gming ablities and this "world" is shared in like 5 people others games so she doesn't wanna approve any changes unless 5 other gms agree. I just wanna level up and be useful man.
>ask GM if she can change the rules to specifically make my character more powerful
>she says no
>that's so weird because everyone agrees my character should be more powerful
>it must be that she's ignorant of how the game works
Yeah I think I found the problem here.
I wasn't aware sorc was so weak till I played it. Basically imagine a new players picks monk and realizes they are gimped because they don't have that many ki points and thus can't use their keystone ablities all the time.
>can't use their keystone ablities all the time.
... Yes? What's the issue? Characters shouldn't be using their most powerful abilities all the time.
well if all the combats are hard then you wanna use your powerful ablities more and since quicken spell is 2 sorc points and I got 3 thats a bad combo if you have 2 or 3 combats a session. Consider sorc doesn't get any spells back on short rests and it's a recipe for diaster. I don't wanna just use cantrips. You logic is basically saying WOTC did perfect balance desighing DND 5e(*ranger*cough*ki point amount* cough) and some buffing of classes isn't need to function on the same level as others. As a experienced DM I can tell you,sorcs need more sorc points,monks need more chi points, paladin's smites need to be able to miss and lose that spell slot, rangers need to be able to change their favored enemy once a day and all fighters need base manuvers. It's not my fault dnd 5e is a shitty system especially compaired to other systems.
TL;DR it for me.
when combats are hard or or difficult players use more resources and when some classes don't have enough resources its gets frustating. Also rules as written some classes are weakers then others and need some buff(aka ranger,aka monk,aka sorc).
Don't play games about resource management if you don't like resource management.
why not? plenty of games do this and it works fine.
>Characters shouldn't be using their most powerful abilities all the time.
Except for Monk it's ALL their abilities.
Don't you have cantrips though?
1. my cantrips suck compaired to any martial base attack. so I use produce flame thats 1d10 and noting else. Any martial has their weapon die and add mod damage. 2. Resource management is fine but if the deck is stacked against you with limited resources it isn't fun. I literally asked the dm for one more sorc point thats it. We all know monks need more ki points why can't we find sorc need more sorc points. Simple it is not balanced for the level you are all no matter the level,sorc need more sorc points.
>wierd considering anyone with half a brain will tell you monks and sorcs needs more points
Monks yes, Sorcerers no.
Stop jizzing your pants every 2 feet and actually think about your metamagics.
And don't take Empowered. That one is a piece of shit.
You have fricking magic moron.
>she warns me people hate casters in this world
This is the only real problem. If you want a setting where people hate casters, maybe you shouldn't play a system where 10 out of 13 classes are casters.
I mean, if it's a deliberate role playing decision rather than a means of balancing, I don't see why a scenario where PCs need to hide their power level would be an inherently bad idea. That being said, if your players aren't on the same page, it probably won't work.
I'm running a system where both spellcasting and the supernatural in general is persecuted in the base setting, and the non-human races are somewhat balanced around the idea that they to always be on the lookout for the inquisition or the various secret societies that'd happily mulch them up for alchemical reagents/artifact materials.
Funnily enough, half the group took backgrounds that make them Church glowies so the party can be relatively unrestrained with their supernatural powers, but that also means nobody else will openly ally with them out of fear of being put on the chopping block.
Aside from the cuff thing, it sounds like the DM was actually running the game properly and keeping your resources under pressure.
>He doesn't enjoy playing the weakest class
>He doesn't enjoy being forcibly handcuffed by his GM
>He doesn't enjoy being handicapped at every opportunity
>below level 5
>not using a light crossbow
dumb
>Despite being a full caster who is handcuffed there are 2 Druids who almost certainly can cast worse spells them him walking around freely
moronic handicaps like this only mean bad times to come, should have said something after the game Anon
Why does everyone on this board act like trying to play a game means going to war against everyone else at the table?
Like, is it so hard to just play with people you actually like? Do you not have friends to play with? Threads like this makes me think the only people you can find for tabletop are buttholes
I concur.
you new to this board or something? nobody here plays games
lol you sound like a dickhole, and you wouldn't be in any of my games. Seriously, are you 10?
When I run games, I ban all the options I don't like anyway. Anyway, if you're actively trying to disrupt my game, I'm going to kick you out.
>Hey, DM, may I play UA Primeval Guardian?
>Nope.
>Gloom Stalker?
>A-OK.
99% of homebrew= OP niche option that autistically focuses on one 'cool' thing, probably stolen from an anime
What it should be is flavourful and balanced. In most case just reflavour some existing classes abilities.
>
Sounds like a you problem, find a cooler DM, the one I have let me play the Renegade subclass and let me play a Forge Cleric that lore wise didn’t have a god
Maybe just have friends that’ll hype your dumb shit up so that everybody at the table has fun
>Ok then I'm playing a Twilight Cleric
I point at the big sign on the wall which reads HUMAN MALE FIGHTERS ONLY