lol are you moronic? Cartridge manufacturing didnt cost that much to make games go price that expensive >Zero reason for a digital product to be that much.
Most money is going to development costs moron
You are legit moronic, homosexual. kys. That Super-FX chip? That SA-1 chip? Etc. Those were fricking expensive to manufacture and include in the cartridges.
>Cartridge manufacturing didnt cost that much to make games go price that expensive
Then explain why PS1 games om CDs were fifty dollars new while N64 games were anywhere from fifty to seventy.
Of course not, moron. The cost wasn't in the materials alone, it was in the logistics of paying off 20 middlemen to have it sold in stores. The companies own their own stores now, they haven't had to pay those middlemen in 15 fricking years.
>Manufacturing of the physical cartridges, some of which used expensive chips that were difficult to manufacture at the time >Manufacturing of their cases as well as any extra bits that went inside of them like user manuals and the occasional goodies >This cost debatably went up when Discs became a standard because they went from cheap paper boxes to plastic casing >Distribution to physical locations and contracts with the storefronts selling the games
All of these costs are cut out entirely when you run it on a digital storefront. You could debate that the high prices are upkeep for their data centers that are serving people across the planet, but saying that physical copies of videogames had a negligible cost is foolish.
You know, knocking off even something small like $10 for digital games would have been massive but you know why they didn't do it?
It would have essentially meant ceding retailers to Nintendo who didn't sell full physical games on their shop at the time and that would have been a massive shift in power.
And if you were actually around during that time you’d know just how much many of these games fricking sucked. NBA Hang Time? Really? That was NBA Jam but fricking moronic and for dorks.
Street Fighter Alpha 2? On the SNES no less? Ultimate MK3 was horrible as well.
Posting mail order catalogues from the 90s showing goofy ass game prices in response to '70 dollars is a lot of fricking money for a game' should legit get you booted offline, terminal levels of being an idiot on display
>goofy ass game prices
moron, SNES games differed in price based on the rom size and chip type. That was standard for every cart system. Hell sega produced games that were $150 and up.
>Toys"R"Us Canada has been Canada's dedicated specialty retailer of toys and baby products since 1984, spreading happiness throughout its now 107 stores across Canada and e-commerce sites: Toysrus.ca and Babiesrus.ca.
Anon, Toys R Us doesn't even exist in the US anymore, but still exist in Canada.
those stores charging insane prices could never sell fast enough so all of that shit ended up on clearance a month later I still remember seeing a literal bargain bin full of brand new earthbounds and final fantasy 1
Games were physically more expensive to produce back then
Games are probably more expensive now to their relative cost for physical distribution because blurays are like 50 cents a pop, probably even smaller due to mass production.
So if I "buy" a game from Steam today, will it have a value after I "buy" it? Can I later sell the game, trade it or lend it to other people after I finish it?
>Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
A single computer to develop games on was $20,000 in today's money. Considering companies hire 300-500 employees, what are they doing with the $10,000,000 they save?
>Server somewhere storing some files you download almost instantly, is the same as physical plastic that had to be moulded in China (admittedly low wages) or Japan (high wages, go check your old cartridges lots were made there) and then shipped halfway around the fricking world to a port, to a distribution centre, to your local gamestop in buttfrick alabama.
That's not /thread you fricking moron, the argument makes no sense because inflation isn't calculated that way. It literally doesn't affect software, frick you. Software doesn't require aditional resources to produce and transport more digital copies.
Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money because they haven't been distributed in twice as long as you've been alive.
Why do none of you morons counter with the PlayStation prices? PlayStation murdered Nintendo in gen 5 and a huge part of that was thanks to Sony setting the $50 price cap as a standard. And back then, most games didn't just released to $50 by default at the standard, games from smaller studios would normally sell for $40 or less as their launch price. Used game sales and game rentals were also a thing back then. And the game you bought was the game you got, no DLC or mtx whatsoever. $50 was the entire game.
Just don't buy games. It's that easy. Wait for sales. Only full priced games I bought this year were Elden Ring and Rush Cyberfunk. Don't give them your money. It's that easy.
>Sonny, when I was your age I walked into that workplace stood tall and looked the manager directly in the eyes while shaking his hand to get that job!
that's the entire point
since income did not follow inflation and purchasing power has decreased, videogame prices also didn't increase, cause if they did, they'd cost 120, so an increase from 60 to 70 is literally not a big deal
Little zoom zoom, those games were expensive because of the manufacturing cost of cartridges. Zero reason for a digital product to be that much.
you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would), then prices would have also increased when physical media were still the main format:
if we apply your logic, and starting by the pic you replued to, so 60 dollars in the 90s, by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media? No, games still costed 60, proving that manufacturing costs aren't the driving factor for prices in the 90s.
Posting mail order catalogues from the 90s showing goofy ass game prices in response to '70 dollars is a lot of fricking money for a game' should legit get you booted offline, terminal levels of being an idiot on display
70 dollars from 60 is literally nothing, with the same equivalent you wouldnt have been able to buy a single game in the 90s
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
If you can't look at these two numbers and figure out how a company's finances easily makes sense without a 10 dollar price hike, you're beyond help. And digital sales did not exist in the 80s and 90s. You're a moron
>(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would)
kek this is blatant misinformation. Dollar for dollar servers are cheaper than physical distribution by far, that's why the industry wants everyone to switch to digital cuckoldry. Because they save on physical distribution costs and get to pocket the difference.
Sure, one good data server costs way more than printing and shipping a physical disc... but printing and shipping MILLIONS of physical discs? The server is the cheaper option by far, and even just one data server will distribute more digital copies of more games than you'll ever be able to with physical distribution. It's just plain more efficient in every possible metric.
And the best part? You don't even need to pay for them if you don't want to. Every console manufacturer and steam will do all of that for you, and all they'll ask is a small percentage of your sales. Hell, the console manufacturers were taking that percentage anyways with your license.
So no, there's no excuse for digital games to be so fricking expensive. It's just pure greed. They save money on distribution costs and keep it to themselves instead of passing it on to the customer. And bootlickers like you defend it because you look at store ads like
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Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
and think they're being totally reasonable.
The cost of selling a digital copy is not comparable to the cost of producing and shipping physical discs. And the latter is nowhere comparable to the cost of producing cartridges back in the day. Discs don't require you to solder components to a board like these old cartridges did. Even Switch games are significantly less resource intensive.
Oh, and let's not forget that SNES games didn't have DLC or MTX to nickel and dime you with.
>The cost of selling a digital copy is not comparable to the cost of producing and shipping physical discs
Is there even a cost for that? Aside from, yeah, keeping the server, isn't making a digital copy just generating a key with a keygen?
Resource wise, digital vidya are borderline worthless
>you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed,
Do... do you think there's a server somewhere with millions of copies Call of duty waiting for them to be downloaded?
>by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media?
Look at this fricking moron acting like discs weren't significantly cheaper to produce.
I agree with this anon for an entirely different reason. Prices are set by whoever is both able and willing to pay. The price hikes and the DLC prices stick and continue to get worse because people keep buying them. If you continue to buy games anyway, then you agree that the new prices are correct. >But I don't buy anything, I just pirate.
Then why do you even care?
Who fricking cares about manufacturing?
FACT: Cost of everything is higher (Source: inflation)
THEREFORE: The cost of game development is higher
THEREFORE: The games cost more to accomodate for the development cost rising.
The cost of developing $70 games isn't higher though. The first games to be sold at $70 were sports rehashes and a remake. Thesequel to Botw was $70 but didn't cost more to develop and reused the same engine and many of the same assets that were developed for the $60 game.
>The cost of developing $70 games isn't higher though.
It's objectively higher because of the concept of inflation, moron. Do you even know what inflation is?
It's objectively not higher. The cost of development for NBA2k20 did not jump by >15% after NBA2k19
Inflation doesn't justify $70 games and if you think otherwise you are too stupid to reason with. It's like trying to teach algebra to a rabid dog. You might as well be arguing films need to cost $40 for a ticket and standard Blu-ray movie should cost $100 each. Just completely fricking moron
Then make smaller releases? Don't spend a billion dollars on trash like HYENAS? Game inflation is completely manufactured by companies trying outflex each other in how many interns they can fit in the credits of the game
>considering times are tough and people are struggling to pay the bills now more than ever, it's epic as all heck that games now cost $100 if you want all of the content
Yeah, go swallow shit.
that's the entire point
since income did not follow inflation and purchasing power has decreased, videogame prices also didn't increase, cause if they did, they'd cost 120, so an increase from 60 to 70 is literally not a big deal
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you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would), then prices would have also increased when physical media were still the main format:
if we apply your logic, and starting by the pic you replued to, so 60 dollars in the 90s, by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media? No, games still costed 60, proving that manufacturing costs aren't the driving factor for prices in the 90s.
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70 dollars from 60 is literally nothing, with the same equivalent you wouldnt have been able to buy a single game in the 90s
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
>wont somebody PLEASE think about the multibillion $ corporations that are more profitable now than at any other point in history?!?!?
They have all the money in the world and they are desperately struggling to find ways to keep the lights on. Bud light lost over half their sales and 2% of their income, if they take another hit like they just did and they will be a multibillion dollar company that makes and produces nothing, sells nothing, and takes in no actual money.
No anon, those were needs and social outcasts. People used the arcade as a meet up place, only the losers were interested in the games. And only the losers wanted home consoles. Games have only been a normie thing in the last decade.
no
everyone played games but everyone had this weird stimga where they were embarassed to admit it due to shitty made up fiction in old shitty movies then millennials grew up and didnt give a frick what other morons thought
In the 90s, selling 100k copies was considered a resounding success for a major game release
Cracking a million sales was practically unheard of for anything that wasn't first party Nintendo
Inflation is mostly surrounding physical assets right now. Raw materials, or constructed items. It won't impact the value of the service/labor industry until wages catch up completely, which is still a few years off. And you could argue that development is more "service" in terms of what you're paying for, since it doesn't involve physical resources.
As long as the wages haven't changed, the cost of production for software hasn't changed, either, since it doesn't utilize any raw materials or components. Just man hours.
I'm not going to argue for increasing vidya prices due to inflation, but I'd like to correct you by pointing out that services inflation has also been running hot.
Not surprising, they didn't care when they became 60 dollars during the 7th gen either.
nice b8
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Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
that's the entire point
since income did not follow inflation and purchasing power has decreased, videogame prices also didn't increase, cause if they did, they'd cost 120, so an increase from 60 to 70 is literally not a big deal
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you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would), then prices would have also increased when physical media were still the main format:
if we apply your logic, and starting by the pic you replued to, so 60 dollars in the 90s, by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media? No, games still costed 60, proving that manufacturing costs aren't the driving factor for prices in the 90s.
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70 dollars from 60 is literally nothing, with the same equivalent you wouldnt have been able to buy a single game in the 90s
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
Hey Black person McZoomer homosexual, I was around then and in the PS1 and PS2 eras games were FIFTY DOLLARS new.
>Budget games made cheaply no one would've spent 40-50 dollars on.
And yet the same budget games made cheaply are $50+ now. Hell, some of them aren't even new games, just literal roms slapped on a disk and being sold for a premium.
you're fricking moronic. the quality of games has gone down, and they don't have to pay to make physical copies anymore. it's predatory and you're insane for saying this
Who fricking cares about manufacturing?
FACT: Cost of everything is higher (Source: inflation)
THEREFORE: The cost of game development is higher
THEREFORE: The games cost more to accomodate for the development cost rising.
Bad excuse, they've been making record profits. Most companies have regardless and when adjusted for inflation. You fell for it.
>who cares if people don't have more money >rich people have more money so you have to pay rich people more for video games
This is why the other anon said you have mentality.
>buggy releases >"we'll fix it later lmao!" >Day -30 DLC >upsell you 40+ season passes >100+ GBs so they can hog your storage space
No. Games will never be worth 70 or more.
people here bought Advance Wars Remake.
People here even argued they bought it in hopes that this makes Nintendo make a sequel.
The braindead people anons constantly complain about are here.
Gacha whale company drones. It's hard to tell if we have legitimate marketing threads because of how obsessed and entitled some people here feel about their favorite IP.
This. It was inevitable. Cost of living has gone through the fricking roof. This last year alone has seen some absolutely insane universal price increases everywhere.
Prices went up, and if you're not a NEET, so did your wage. In my country, the average raise was 6.4%, which is to keep up with the increased cost of living. Screeching zoomzooms don't understand the economy. You'd think the more mature boomers would, but no.
We're promised back then that digital product such as video game would and will not cost more than $60 but now look at it, look what happened when greedy exploitable person doing this to you.
Zoomies don't even remember when they hiked the price up from 50 to 60 dollars for every game and it stayed like that for almost 20 years. What was the justification for that then?
Lies, Bindenomics is LITERALLY saving the western world right now.
Yeah it had nothing to do with supply side shortages everyone knows inflation happens because of government spending except when trump was president and started money printing before Biden took office. It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money and these definitely aren't hack GOP talking points
Biden had us in lockdown for almost 2 years across the country
Biden stopped frakking
Millions of jobs permanently lost
That gave rise to oil inflation which in turn gave rise to every other aspect of inflation rising because our economy runs on the backs of truckers supplying cities with products.
You have no argument. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is a Black person.
9 months ago
Anonymous
this is the video games board, not the politics board. your cult leader is in prison right now lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
Is that why you were the first person to bring up politics? >inb4 I'm not that anon!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>talk about politics >get called on the bullshit he says >"lmao this is Ganker not /misc/"
9 months ago
Anonymous
Many such cases
really fricking pisses me off that during the floyd riots liberals would constantly bring that stuff up out of nowhere and it was the people who told them how moronic they were being that caught bans
this
donald trump has been responsible for our economy being shit for three years now, s owe have to pay $70 dollars to own the chuds and give extra back to the chosen people who keep our economy afloat
>It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money and these definitely aren't hack GOP talking points
The people you are arguing with were in kindergarten during the recession, and if not discovered this site due to burger politics
>president creates law
The 08 financial crisis began in the 90s when congress started holding banks at gunpoint forcing them to give home loans to worthless Black folk with no credit. It just took until 2008 for the system to finally implode under its own weight
This guy econs. Can't believe how many morons think the president is personally in charge of the entire economy and materializes long-term effects with a snap of his fingers on his first day in office. Most economic indicators lag by 10+ years, not to mention every single president gets cucked by congress trying to pass his agenda into law, so even if the entire economy could actually be changed on a dime it sure as frick wouldn't be the president's prerogative.
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Yeah it had nothing to do with supply side shortages everyone knows inflation happens because of government spending except when trump was president and started money printing before Biden took office. It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money and these definitely aren't hack GOP talking points
did you know you don't need to play every game at release, and you can simply wait until it's cheaper or can be pirated? that there is in fact no one holding you at gunpoint, making you pay either microsoft or sega for this slop?
People hate it, but thanks to gamepass I can count with the fingers of one hand how many games I've bought the past 5 years.
Everything is there or eventually will come out. I don't need to pay for slop like Dead Space or Jedi Survivor because they will release this winter on gamepass.
I don't need to buy games at full price since Microsoft buys them for me just for doing searches in theri moronic Bing, I bought Resident Evil 4 and Street Fighter 6 with my Microsoft Points.
I actually want Xbox and Microsoft to keep losing so they keep throwing free money at Xbox users.
As much as I hate Larian for its rampant homosexualry, I respect them a lot for their pricing and lack of mtx. Unfortunately, nobody is going to follow their lead and will continue charging $100 for the "full" edition of the game, plus more shitty DLC and preorder bonuses and battle passes and all the other gay shit that you morons love to consume.
and I will pirate it.
and if I can't pirate it, I will do without.
Game quality went up, and there's way more employees involved in a single game today than an entire publishing studio had 10 years ago. Gotta pay those bills somehow if you want to keep getting games that look and play like modern ones.
>doesn't ask for a raise >"wtf why didn't I get a raise"
You think like a woman. Your father and grandfather knew to constantly harass their boss for a raise, because if they didn't they'd never get one.
The funniest part is isn't this just a remaster of some old game? >why yes we reheated this stale old mcburger, that'll be $70 plus mandatory 15% tip for the "waiter" who shoved it in a bag
P3R is the game that convinced me to pirate literally every single game, and watch on youtube what can't be pirated.
Before, I would always set aside $75 a month for a game, sans every 3rd month after the 2nd months. So that's $600/yr saved.
Sorry tiny hats, economy's rough since you tanked it, so I'll just get it for free then.
Some people did make a load of money during the one week where it went to some $400 per share. Just too many jumped in on it way to late. To make serious bank one must've bought in like a year before it happened when reddit first came up with the plan.
more like Toys-stop.
I get better prices both selling and buying from a local privately owned Gamestores. Some even have new old stock PS2 and PS3 games.
When it's something no one needs, like videogames, people can sell stuff at whatever price they want. It's not a moral issue. Spend your money elsewhere if you prefer.
They did and that's why game prices dropped across the board.
Why do you think the PS1 sold way more than the saturn or n64? It sure wasn't the quality of games, it was the fact they were $20 cheaper due to being on discs.
This could potentially be good. People might buy less games and lower sales means they have to start making better games to be worth the money.
Who am I kidding? You tards will eat up the garbage and then cry about it on Ganker the very next day.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT MICROSOFT? THEY'RE PRACTICALLY AN INDIE STARTUP AND NEED EVERY PENNY THEY CAN GET!
BAMCO IS SURELY SUFFERRING!
PLEASE, NINTENDO CAN'T TAKE MANY MORE FINANCIAL HITS!
SONY WON'T LAST MUCH LONGER IF WE ACT LIKE ANYTHING IS WRONG!
All together now:
THE GAME IS PERFECT STOP BEING A TROLL!
Games are really cheap. Even if someone have a budget for purchase lots of games for 70 bucks a piece, maybe $1,000 USD every year?
Yeah just stop getting 20 dollar starbucks coffee
Have you noticed that even really old games are still expensive nowadays? Black Ops II still costs fricking $50 on the xbox store, turns out microsoft is as israeli as apple
I've just been playing my backlog and pirating new shit if it looks good. There's no way I'm spending that many dollarydoos on any fricking game. Everything else is expensive enough.
it's either >buy game day one for inflated price and get to play it while it's fresh
or >wait no less than five (5) years for a potential price drop and after everyone has already moved on, and game doesn't even drop lower than 20 dollars
god this fricking industry sucks ass.
>wait no less than five (5) years for a potential price drop
You can tell immediately people who is a CONSOOMER who always buys games day 1 and don't actually know what they're talking about. Price drops happen constantly. Persona 5 Royal only took a few months to drop half price on PC, the frick are you talking about 5 years?
aside from multiplayer, who wants to wait so long for a price drop?
>wait no less than five (5) years for a potential price drop
You can tell immediately people who is a CONSOOMER who always buys games day 1 and don't actually know what they're talking about. Price drops happen constantly. Persona 5 Royal only took a few months to drop half price on PC, the frick are you talking about 5 years?
you're a god damn idiot if you can't rub two brain cells together long enough to consider that not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion. there are plenty of games that retain their value for arbitrary reasons.
>you're a god damn idiot if you can't rub two brain cells together long enough to consider that not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion. t
No, you're an idiot because you act like price drops is some rare phenomenon. Sure some games don't drop as much as others but they DO drop, even greedy ass companies like Activision drop their games at least half price a few times a year. Again, you don't know what the frick you're talking about because you're a fricking sheep that only knows to consoom.
just shut the frick up you idiot moron motherfricker, I'd slit your fricking throat if I could get away with it. please fricking die. I sincerely hope you get into a fiery accident, or have Black folk come into your home and beat you within an inch of your life before raping your orifices and stealing all your shit taste video games. I DIDN'T ASK YOU FOR YOUR moron OPINION SO LEARN WHEN TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT homosexual.
have a nice day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol brainlet
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol moron. have a nice day you fricking waste of space piece of shit lmao fricking homosexual prostitute b***h c**t just die hehehe hahahaha lolololo lulz lmao jajajajajajaja you fricking street shitting pajeet what the frick do you know about anything huh?
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol didnt read
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol it's because you can't you illiterate cretin. hey, kid, wanna try something fun? go into your local auto parts store, buy some antifreeze, and guzzle it down.
>not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion
99% of games get a small price drop within the first couple months. 99% of games get a significant price drop within the first 6 months. After a year or more? You can often pick up even last year's AAA games for under 20 bucks.
Publishers:
1. Don't have to spend on physical anymore. No more cases, manuals, discs, etc.
2. Don't do QA testing, because they can just patch it later.
3. Have a market that has more players and devices than ever.
4. Have infinitely more revenue streams selling DLC costumes, maps, in-game currency, etc.
Cuckold consoomers; we owe it to the publishers to give them the extra money, it's only fair! Muh inflation!
>TERRIBLE remake no one asked for >no FES content >no portable content >70bucks
Atlus is such a terrible company honestly.
They already pissed me off with the DOGSHIT P5R release, fricking over the owner of the original P5.
$179.98 + $10.74 tax(6%) = $190.72
if I want both games with all of the content. >Y-YOU DON'T NEED THE DLC!
It's nice to have, it literally unlocks several personas you can't get otherwise.
If you're defending this shit, you're the actual reason the video game industry is in the state it's in right now. You ruined video games for everybody. >j-just wait for a sale
I'll pirate it before I support another greedy wienersucker.
You people are truly fricking stupid. Even Persona 5 Tactica has a small discount on other sites right now, you make zero effort to find a better deal for yourself and then you cry about it.
I have never paid $70 for a videogame, and I never will. I'll just wait for them to go on sale, or If I really want to play it now, I'll just pirate it. >Verification not required.
oh no whatever will I do... >waits 4 years until the GOTY or whatever edition is on sale for 15 bucks, with the latest patches applied
you'd have to be a real cuck to buy new games and not be a patient chad.
why so many fricking shills in this place? you buttholes like getting shafted? maybe buy some fricking dragon dildos then, instead of advocating for price hikes for old hardware. can't wait for the industry to fricking collapse, second industry crash fricking when?
Never, because low IQ morons with lots of money given to them by their parents keep paying for this shit. Also, Blackrock would keep funding it to make sure it never crashed again.
Nobody is shilling here. People are (rightly) saying you should wait for a price drop. What you morons don't realize is they keep raising the price because they know apes like you don't wait. You HAVE to play it day 1 because you have no self-control. If you had any semblance of patience whatsoever, this wouldn't have happened. We would still be at $50 being the norm. YOU are the one ruining the industry, not people who actually wait and buy the game at a reasonable fricking price like it should be.
Yup. Gamers should have fricking stopped buying games entirely when they increased the price to $60 in the PS3/360 era but they didn't and now we're here.
no, you fricking dickhead, what your moronic ass fails to comprehend is that these publishers are aggressively maintaining the MSRP for games at or near launch day price for years after release and for no good reason other than greed. it's a battle of attrition and they selectively lower the price because it benefits them to only do so during sales or promotions or whatever the frick so that they don't have to permanently lower the price anymore. that's some bullshit and yet somehow you're blaming spending habits for those sort of greedy anticonsumer tactics? frick you.
All the people whining about the price are just tendies who are back to hating Atlus now that Persona 3 Reload won't be on the Switch. The price is perfectly fine. In fact, I'd say that they're undercharging it.
Only played 1,2 and 5, was thinking about playing 3 but since the remake is close and I want to play a lot of games I'll wait, glad that game pass saves me a lot of money nowadays for being the best subscription model.
Even worse, it's a remake with cut content from the other versions. The Answer isn't in the game nor is the FemC. It's Atlus so there will be DLC out the ass almost guaranteed if Soul Hackers 2, SMTV, and Persona 5 are anything to go by but at least Persona 5 was just cosmetic outfits, SH2 and SMTV had quests and demons paywalled.
I have 0 idea why anyone would buy this. It's an insult to gamers, throw in the $70 price point when it's $1 on game pass on the system that has the least amount of JRPG gamers and it's a joke. PCgays have access to that deal too but they prefer Steam. Maybe they'll cave this time because the fricking thing has Denuvo. The FemC being omitted is most likely because of the Ken romance too so we can add censorship to the list as I'm sure there will be more censorship besides that. It's seriously everything wrong with modern gaming.
You can, that's what I was talking about in the next sentence but the current deal is $1 for 2 weeks. Good luck talking steamgays into using anything other than steam and maybe battle.net though. There will probably be more sales of the game on Steam than people playing it through PC game pass even with that massive price difference. Anything not on Steam might as well not exist.
I stopped buying a majority of AAA games when they started to use Denuvo DRM, and just went to start buying indie/AA games that were $40 and below. If I'm not doing this, I wait for discounts. and generally I've been happy with that because waiting for discounts means also waiting for patches that improve game stability.
$70 games literally doesn't affect me because I wasn't even paying $60 for games post-2017.
Just bought Hitman 3 for €35 while they try to sell it for €70 digital.
35 is still too much tho but whatever. Once they go fully digital, I'm done with all of them. Only indie then.
>omg I can't believe that P3R is $70, Atlus is so fricking greedy >why yes I bought Tears of the Kingdom and loved it so much that I'd gladly buy a third game that's largely the same, how could you tell?
So if I "buy" a game from Steam today, will it have a value after I "buy" it? Can I later sell the game, trade it or lend it to other people after I finish it?
You are not buying anything today, you don't own your games.
ok now show average minimum wage adjusted for inflation.
Now compare that to actual wage increases and cost of living
I dont understand the point. Inflation is up for everything. But games didnt rise at all with inflation. They went down. Would you prefer to keep paying 110$ like in the SNES days?
>But games didnt rise at all with inflation. They went down
Not only is that not how inflation works but games had a different method, dlc and microtransactions anons like this
I mostly just spend money on Genshin Impact now. not very many games come out that are appealing to me at all. I'll buy Starfield. I was gonna buy AC but the designs are wrong/parts are generally too curvy and thin not blocky and bulky like AC should be
Okay. But the claim is that video games are priced too high. Except they are not, if anything they are priced too low still. Also DLC existed in the 90s too, except they sold a whole new game instead
>But the claim is that video games are priced too high.
Which they are. Video game development has only gotten cheaper and cheaper over the years especially as more developers abandon making their own tools and instead use generic engines.
On top of that disc and carts are far more cheaper now than they were in the past and can hold a lot more not to mention minor cost cutting like the loss of manuals.
Games shouldn't be anywhere near 60 let alone 70.
>except they sold a whole new game instead a
Yes anon, we all know about updated versions but they aren't dlc. It's not digital.
It's a physical product that needs to be manufactured.
I get you're on the younger side and think this is all magic but it isn't.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, I'm 34, I grew up in the NES, SNES era. While game manufacturation went down, game dev cost didnt for AAA games. So while we have way more 20-30$ games now due to the indie and Mid tier dev size being able to pull a profit from low teams, AAA games still cost multi millions in developement. So even if they are not on Cartdridges and most of the time dont need to be shipped, does not mean that they dont cost more. You cant have massive games like Elden Ring that cost 3 years of developement and millions be priced the same as a Super Meat Boy made by 2 guys
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't give a flying frick about their profit margins nor should you. That is not an argument.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Except that they do, which is why they rise prices.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>which is why they rise prices
Greed is why they raise prices. Why dont you compare the average sales a random no-name NES game made back in the day to what some random no-name indie game on steam makes now?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Money is why they do it. Less profit = less incentives for them to do the product. They dont do games for fun, they need to make money on it.
Just like any capitalistic interaction, it's a war between consumer wanting low prices and company wanting high price. If the price is too low, the company wont do the product again, if they price is too high the product wont be bought.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then stop buying $70 AAA garbage. Shouldnt be too hard
9 months ago
Anonymous
In other words, greed.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, greed on both side. Consumer greed and company greed
9 months ago
Anonymous
>on both side
No, it's entirely publishers and corporate side you bootlicking apologist
9 months ago
Anonymous
Understanding the fact of both side does not mean it's bootlicking
9 months ago
Anonymous
claiming "both sides" (you made that mistake twice you dirty sewer dweller) when the corporate side is the one clearly to blame for all of it is bootlicking
9 months ago
Anonymous
Except that both side is greedy. You dont want to pay, they dont want to get paid less.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You dont want to pay
I dont want to pay MORE, especially when I get LESS for it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Understanding the fact of both side
You quite literally understand neither.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You dont want to pay
I dont want to pay MORE, especially when I get LESS for it.
It's still greed. Does not matter if you are paid less or more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Consumer greed isn't a thing in this situation. Once you educate yourself you'll learn that video games are too expensive for what they are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but when you go to bat for said company and the only reasoning being how much money they make you've become a problem in the system.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because shitstains with no principles or awareness of their rights and responsibilities as a consumer let them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>game dev cost didnt for AAA games.
It did, significantly for the reasons stated.
Most of the actual cost goes into marketing nowadays and even that pales in comparison to how much game that sell well make nowadays compared to the past. A multiplat game could probably hit 5m with a handful of exceptions.
Nowadays it's not uncommon for them to hit 20 million with ease.
>You cant have massive games like Elden Ring
Anon, Elden Ring is on the cheaper side of games and it, like many from soft games, reused assets on top of using . You couldn't have chosen a worse example.
And you still aren't factoring in how much they earn from 100% digital dlc.
You say you're 34 but it's clear you have no perspective of the past.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>on top of using
Excuse me I forgot to finish this sentence. I was interrupted part way through.
Anyway, on top of using a generic physics engine.
the minimum wage should be able to provide for a man, his wife, 3 children and a reasonably priced hobby for each of them
many nations were able to achieve this in the past there is no reason it couldn't be done again
These guys think you shouldn't be allowed to have all that working at McDonald's, but imagine what would happen if everyone working in fast food decided to quit. These fatasses wouldn't be able to live without their processed slop, but don't think the people serving it up to them deserve a livable wage
You do know there is a limited ammount of jobs moron that aren t minimum wage. If everyone had a degree in engineering , some of them would be forced to work at mcdonalds .
You do know there is a limited ammount of jobs moron that aren t minimum wage. If everyone had a degree in engineering , some of them would be forced to work at mcdonalds .
>$70 became the new norm >Thinking this is because they want $70 a game
no this is so they can put it on a 20% off sale for $55 and trick you into thinking you're saving money. Every business does it.
>digital options never existed in the 90's chud >THATS NOT THE SAME THATS NOT THE SAME
The sega channel was an idea made up to try and help people get into playing new games despite the rising cost of them. The fact that it took this long for games to go above 60 as a standard is a miracle.
I'm still waiting for P5R to be cracked, and I can wait just fine for a remake with missing content that will be re-released in 1 or 2 years top.
I already decided that when this comes out I'll be playing P3P anyway pham.
>m-muh inflation...
Inflation is lower than it has been in the past 2 years and still going down, why are corps still pricing us as of we were at 2021 peak inflation?
>>$70 just became a norm
never rose up
You're gonna see how high gamers rose up by how low the profits will be going forward. The western games industry already has seen a significant decline in profits in the last 3 years, despite the loldemic.
The funny thing is that it's not even about the price points, it's about the content and how shite it is. People will pay if they love the product, the price point never was an issue for anyone with employment. You skip something else and save up the cash, but if the product is garbage, the price could be free and you wouldn't even bother.
>The funny thing is that it's not even about the price points, it's about the content and how shite it is. People will pay if they love the product, the price point never was an issue for anyone with employment. You skip something else and save up the cash, but if the product is garbage, the price could be free and you wouldn't even bother.
Big fat belly investors are seething.
Honey, thanks to Steam you don't get to own videogames anymore. Even physical copies are worthless because most games are broken without patches. And buying digital is just pure YWON cringe.
>>$70 just became a norm
Sorry but I'm just not going to preorder games. Hahaha I know I know but I'm just not even going to buy games at launch hahaha crazy right? But I'm just going to wait until the game is fully patched and on sale because I have impulse control hahaha
I haven't bought a game on release day since the N64 era. It'll be 50% less in 6 months like P5R. $70 to own nothing is crazy but should I be surprised NPCs accept this with no remorse, probably not.
I genuinely ask what your options or solutions are. In this game, the game you want is 70 bucks. Your options are either: don't play it at all, pirate it, or pay up. Most people don't pirate and that's just a fact. You DO want to play the game in scenario so giving up on it isn't realistic either. Or you wait months to YEARS to buy it on sale. None of these are good options for getting it right away; which is the crux of this problem. "Just don't want it" isn't an answer because it isn't part of the discussion.
You can't "rise up" when your only options are either paying out the ass, or nothing. Coupled with the fact that it doesn't really matter if you don't buy it or 10,000 other people don't buy it when probably dozens of thousands to dozens of hundreds of thousands of people WILL buy it.
Waiting may have been a 'problem' with droughts in the past but there's no shortage of games to play nowadays. Impatient people are usually low IQ, anyway.
> it doesn't really matter if you don't buy it or 10,000 other people don't buy it when probably dozens of thousands to dozens of hundreds of thousands of people WILL buy it.
Investor hate him, who care about money when you can extort 10 moron for 15% more $$$
Waiting to play vidya 1/2 years after is still the best play as a costumer unless it's a multiplayer game because the game might simply die out before you get it
By waiting 1/2 years you get
1) More polished game due to patches
2) Cheaper game due to sales/discount
3) All DLCs/Season Pass from the get go as long you're willing to play and get the full experience which if one decides to include would be back to maybe the original $70 or more even so still it's more content
It'll be hilarious if Grand Blue ends ups taking all of the casual sales being an actual new game and costing $60 despite being in development twice as long. That $70 is for wasteful fanatics people that never played the story before.
Leaker here. These are some of the changes that will be in Persona 3 Reload:
>Ryoji gets more development and a social link >There are more free time activities like darts and gardening >Fuuka has better navigation skills >the hot spring scene has been changed. When you get caught, instead of getting beaten up, Makoto Yuki and the other guys' towels end up falling down and they rush past the girls out of the hot spring naked >There will be more interactions between SEES >There will be several small references to Persona 5 including a reference to Shujin Academy and Sojiro
Imagine playing this shit. I don't get the appeal. Unlike you nerds, us men we play real games with real guns like that new delta force game? None of that God damn gay ass shit. Lmao
I wait for a 25% or more discount. The hype and shilling are over by then. I'll know if the game has problems like performance and bugs. If I'm still interested in the game at that point I might buy it.
> Rise up the price to 70, already pushing it to 80 (ex: forspoken, redfall) > Slowly kill physical edition: no disc release for yakuza gaiden or Alan wake 2, digital edition of console sold at loss to speed up the process > Will probably ditch retailers in the medium term : buy the shit full price on psn or gtfo > Increase of the price of service like gamepass with a target of 30/40 bucks in probably 3-5 years
dont know why random unreal engine 4 games are $60 and others are $70. the engine came out when ps4 came out. same engine so should be same price. unreal engine 5 is next gen so it should be $70.
Abuse.
Before Sony entered the fray games never used to have standardised pricing but when the ps1 came along everything started having a flat rate which has been slowly increasing despite actual development costs getting lower.
have not touched anything past 50 dollars. most new switch games i get for 45 dollars hell got tears for 48 almost didn't bother with it but stacked some discounts it came down.
no one should be buying games at full price there are stores other then gamestop guys
I hope AAA vidya crashes, this is only happening to due to the declining retail space and more people going digital. Stuff like this actively fuels things like game passes and subscription services. You might not realize it, but media is in a decline of value due to subscription services, and raising prices only benefits those services.
I mostly just spend money on Genshin Impact now. not very many games come out that are appealing to me at all. I'll buy Starfield. I was gonna buy AC but the designs are wrong/parts are generally too curvy and thin not blocky and bulky like AC should be
>have you played it? it embarrassed totk a couple weeks ago...free yearly update blows away totks amount of content lmaoooooo
Oh you're that anon I was talking to a few days ago. Yes I've played it and no it didn't.
That wasn't even the point anyway, you're feeding into a game you don't own that will eventually be shut down for one reason or another.
>That wasn't even the point anyway, you're feeding into a game you don't own that will eventually be shut down for one reason or another.
and? video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them. by paying for an in-process game, the game affords higher quality and more variability over time than other games. it's a tango between the producer and fans. the producer has recently seen that the fans have rejected what they're doing, so we'll see how that steers the direction of the game!
I notice that a lot of people who are basically life failures focus on "ownership" of things. Can you own the quake era, when I was online in the mid 90s with basically only smart and techie people, playing the first ever game that shipped with tcp/ip internet play, which was fully moddable and mappable, and everyone ran servers and was learning to configure apache and linux so we could run our own websites and shit and it drove our adoption of tech careers and our interest in ip telephony and...........
if you own a copy of Quake from 1996 how much of that do you own anon?
>highly doubtful just a commonly shared sentiment
It's not. Even in genshin threads you're an outlier. >video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them
Okay? And when you want to play the game when the service is terminated?
You wrote up this entire post but failed to realise that you will always be able to have that experience if you own it. If you don't then losing it is a foregone conclusion.
I mean, if they land on another genshin level game do you think they're going to support both?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not. Even in genshin threads you're an outlier.
? intellectually dishonest, man
your generation of people has to realize that you can just talk to people. you don't have to "win".
i'm too tired to go forward with you after you said that. genshin impact has an unbelievably passionate following even on Ganker-- you simply cannot state otherwise, it's not reality, no matter how much you wail against it.
>And when you want to play the game when the service is terminated?
then tough titty? why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
can you play the Quake era from 1997 now? did you get ANYTHING from what I wrote? are you even capable of considering other perspectives?
>I mean, if they land on another genshin level game do you think they're going to support both?
you are literally not intelligent enough to realize they'd make more money doing two than one? lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
>your generation of people has to realize that you can just talk to people
This isn't about winning, this is about stating facts. Not even people in genshin threads make this claim, they rarely talk about Zelda and when it does come up its just you trying to claim it's superior.
>i'm too tired to go forward with you after you said that.
And yet you continued to type up a response. Also I never said anything about Genshin not having a following here.
>why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
It's not a book you know, it's an interactive piece of media meaning you can play it in a variety of ways if you so choose. Pokemon and it's endless sea of fan made challenges like nuzlockes being a good example.
I know there's not that much variety in genshin, heck it doesn't even have proper aerial combat, but you could still tackle things in different ways such as a single element run and what not.
This is a video game, it's about the experience, not the story.
>can you play the Quake era from 1997 now
Yes, it's incredibly easy to play them on virtual machines and because they aren't locked to online services and even have single player game modes they're still fully playable today.
Compare that to the many shut down mobile games.
>you are literally not intelligent enough to realize they'd make more money doing two than one
Wow, you really think it's just about money and not workforce. You know you can't just hire random people off the street right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
Maybe you like the game. >can you play the Quake era from 1997 now?
Yep. Doom, too.
>if you own a copy of Quake from 1996 how much of that do you own anon?
100% dumbass.
Anyone with a brain can set up a custom server or even just do an old school LAN party
How much of Genshin do you own.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>intentionally failing to grasp the point
sad that you want to "win" more than interact
>your generation of people has to realize that you can just talk to people
This isn't about winning, this is about stating facts. Not even people in genshin threads make this claim, they rarely talk about Zelda and when it does come up its just you trying to claim it's superior.
>i'm too tired to go forward with you after you said that.
And yet you continued to type up a response. Also I never said anything about Genshin not having a following here.
>why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
It's not a book you know, it's an interactive piece of media meaning you can play it in a variety of ways if you so choose. Pokemon and it's endless sea of fan made challenges like nuzlockes being a good example.
I know there's not that much variety in genshin, heck it doesn't even have proper aerial combat, but you could still tackle things in different ways such as a single element run and what not.
This is a video game, it's about the experience, not the story.
>can you play the Quake era from 1997 now
Yes, it's incredibly easy to play them on virtual machines and because they aren't locked to online services and even have single player game modes they're still fully playable today.
Compare that to the many shut down mobile games.
>you are literally not intelligent enough to realize they'd make more money doing two than one
Wow, you really think it's just about money and not workforce. You know you can't just hire random people off the street right?
didn't read tbh
you people are so dense and of course you replied with some anime image. i'm just no longer interested in interacting with your age group to be totally honest
you'll play it one day and then pretend you never pretended to hate it becuase you were told to
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you people are so dense and of course you replied with some anime image
Not only is Genshin an anime game but that image shows its eventual fate.
>you'll play it one day and then pretend you never pretended to hate it becuase you were told to
I'm playing the game right now. I'm pretty sure I did the same thing when you tried to say I didn't play it last time too.
Either way this has nothing to do with what we're talking about but if you really want my opinion on it, the game is okay, not bad, not good and in dire need of some polish especially where collision is concerned.
Even in the early game grinding for things is tedious especially Primogems.
>video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them >another YOU PAY FOR THE EXPERIENCE!!! homosexual
top fricking kek this is a literal crackhead-tier excuse except speed is actually better than imaginary anime tiddies
Last full price game i got was BG3 in EA. Then before that FO4 was gifted to me so i bought the 35 dollar season pass. Everything else theres mastercard.
They’re the only ones in the market that producing high quality dating sims that are free without gacha mechanics. Name one competitor they have??? You got nothing. Honestly they should be pricing their Persons games at $100
I have never paid $70 for a videogame, and I never will. I'll just wait for them to go on sale, or If I really want to play it now, I'll just pirate it. >Verification not required.
>Gamers never rose up
Oh no, they did. Or atleast, they tried to before they got backstabbed by corporate cum-addicted snoys crying >W-WELL THIS MEANS MORE MONEY FOR DEVS AND MORE AAA EXCLUSIVES FOR US YOU'RE JUST POOR AND JEALOUS!!!!
i wonder what happened to them now?
If they had any ounce of humanity and honor they would've necked themselves by now
>trend started by Sony >aB-B-BUT EHAT ABOUT-
Sorry snoy but this mess is entirely your fault. For once in your worthless life, admit your frickup and kick the chair for that's the only way you'll get salvation
>Armored Core 6 sold for 60 dollars for a brand new game >remake of a game people played 20 years ago is more than it cost on release and more than their rereleases
I never bought a $70 game. Nobody forced you to do it. I don't care if they charge $100 or even $200 for new games because I'll still wait until they're on sale for $10 or less.
>game launches at $70 >wait about a month >game is pretty much half off
literally every game is like this. except for nintendo games of course.
but i know gamers suffer from FOMO for some reason so they never wait.
never rose up
Lmao
Last game I bought for 50€ was GTAV on PC
I usually never pay more than 20€ for a game I want, but that's rare since I prefer just buying a bundle at 10€ and less and just play pirated roms on my softmodded PS2 and PSP.
Considering the insane inflation this price is fair.
Yeah the jannies and shitposters need a raise.
Indubitably, my anonymous companion!
I suggest a 500% increase in pay!
Frick Frogposters
/thread
Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
Little zoom zoom, those games were expensive because of the manufacturing cost of cartridges. Zero reason for a digital product to be that much.
lol are you moronic? Cartridge manufacturing didnt cost that much to make games go price that expensive
>Zero reason for a digital product to be that much.
Most money is going to development costs moron
>Cartridge manufacturing didnt cost that much to make games go price that expensive
Work on your English, moron.
Aw yes the typical response when you run out of arguments
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>more profitable now than at any other point in history?!?!?
Inflation
Thats like saying Zimbabweans are rich cause they got a billion Zimbabwe dollars. They will teach you about economics once you reach high school
>Inflation
EA makes a billion+ in microtransactions alone. You're legitimately a moronic corporate shill.
Zimbabweans made trillions of dollars, your point?
Clinically moronic
Not an argument
Neither is defending multibillion $ corporations by going "m-muh other countries monopoly money!!!!"
You are legit moronic, homosexual. kys. That Super-FX chip? That SA-1 chip? Etc. Those were fricking expensive to manufacture and include in the cartridges.
>Cartridge manufacturing didnt cost that much to make games go price that expensive
Then explain why PS1 games om CDs were fifty dollars new while N64 games were anywhere from fifty to seventy.
Of course not, moron. The cost wasn't in the materials alone, it was in the logistics of paying off 20 middlemen to have it sold in stores. The companies own their own stores now, they haven't had to pay those middlemen in 15 fricking years.
>Manufacturing of the physical cartridges, some of which used expensive chips that were difficult to manufacture at the time
>Manufacturing of their cases as well as any extra bits that went inside of them like user manuals and the occasional goodies
>This cost debatably went up when Discs became a standard because they went from cheap paper boxes to plastic casing
>Distribution to physical locations and contracts with the storefronts selling the games
All of these costs are cut out entirely when you run it on a digital storefront. You could debate that the high prices are upkeep for their data centers that are serving people across the planet, but saying that physical copies of videogames had a negligible cost is foolish.
You know, knocking off even something small like $10 for digital games would have been massive but you know why they didn't do it?
It would have essentially meant ceding retailers to Nintendo who didn't sell full physical games on their shop at the time and that would have been a massive shift in power.
And if you were actually around during that time you’d know just how much many of these games fricking sucked. NBA Hang Time? Really? That was NBA Jam but fricking moronic and for dorks.
Street Fighter Alpha 2? On the SNES no less? Ultimate MK3 was horrible as well.
The reason digital is the same price as physical is because retailers would throw a shitfit if the starting price for digital is lower than physical.
Posting mail order catalogues from the 90s showing goofy ass game prices in response to '70 dollars is a lot of fricking money for a game' should legit get you booted offline, terminal levels of being an idiot on display
>goofy ass game prices
moron, SNES games differed in price based on the rom size and chip type. That was standard for every cart system. Hell sega produced games that were $150 and up.
Bro, that's a flyer from a newspaper. Not a mail order catalogue. Literally walk into the store, and that's the price you pay.
>Posting the Canuck prices again
Every day
This is a Canadian ad.
>toys r us
>can*dian
>Toys"R"Us Canada has been Canada's dedicated specialty retailer of toys and baby products since 1984, spreading happiness throughout its now 107 stores across Canada and e-commerce sites: Toysrus.ca and Babiesrus.ca.
Anon, Toys R Us doesn't even exist in the US anymore, but still exist in Canada.
those stores charging insane prices could never sell fast enough so all of that shit ended up on clearance a month later I still remember seeing a literal bargain bin full of brand new earthbounds and final fantasy 1
Games were physically more expensive to produce back then
Games are probably more expensive now to their relative cost for physical distribution because blurays are like 50 cents a pop, probably even smaller due to mass production.
Why isn't a PS5 129.99 then?
So if I "buy" a game from Steam today, will it have a value after I "buy" it? Can I later sell the game, trade it or lend it to other people after I finish it?
technically you could sell your steam account
>new controllers for $15
That's the craziest part of this image and nobody is talking about it. Doesn't matter if it's USD, AUD, or canuck bucks.
man I still remember when 50 was the norm
yeah, it's fricking crazy what they get away with with controllers now, especially nintendo.
I WILL pirate.
>realistic graphics
I don't recall the world looking 2D 25 years ago.
they had normal people and straights 25 years ago.
KB toys and Toys R Us were very israeli back then. Well deserved bankruptcy for these two fricks.
>Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
A single computer to develop games on was $20,000 in today's money. Considering companies hire 300-500 employees, what are they doing with the $10,000,000 they save?
>in todays money
who cares? the economy was much better at the time
>Server somewhere storing some files you download almost instantly, is the same as physical plastic that had to be moulded in China (admittedly low wages) or Japan (high wages, go check your old cartridges lots were made there) and then shipped halfway around the fricking world to a port, to a distribution centre, to your local gamestop in buttfrick alabama.
>games as high as 70
>but as low as 40
This is also Canada.
That's not /thread you fricking moron, the argument makes no sense because inflation isn't calculated that way. It literally doesn't affect software, frick you. Software doesn't require aditional resources to produce and transport more digital copies.
Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money because they haven't been distributed in twice as long as you've been alive.
>130 bucks for a brand new console, game and a controller
> $250 nowadays
its basically a switch lite bundle
Why do none of you morons counter with the PlayStation prices? PlayStation murdered Nintendo in gen 5 and a huge part of that was thanks to Sony setting the $50 price cap as a standard. And back then, most games didn't just released to $50 by default at the standard, games from smaller studios would normally sell for $40 or less as their launch price. Used game sales and game rentals were also a thing back then. And the game you bought was the game you got, no DLC or mtx whatsoever. $50 was the entire game.
Just don't buy games. It's that easy. Wait for sales. Only full priced games I bought this year were Elden Ring and Rush Cyberfunk. Don't give them your money. It's that easy.
>just be a poorgay bro
no thanks
how about you consider that income did not follow inflation and that the purchasing power of consumers is proportionally lower
Just get a better job.
I hate boomers so much its unreal
>Sonny, when I was your age I walked into that workplace stood tall and looked the manager directly in the eyes while shaking his hand to get that job!
Yeah why can't poor people just get more money?
>HOMELESS?? JUST GET A HOUSE LMSO
KYS moronic Black person
Yeah, that's the point of inflation, moron.
That is not the point of inflation
that's the entire point
since income did not follow inflation and purchasing power has decreased, videogame prices also didn't increase, cause if they did, they'd cost 120, so an increase from 60 to 70 is literally not a big deal
you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would), then prices would have also increased when physical media were still the main format:
if we apply your logic, and starting by the pic you replued to, so 60 dollars in the 90s, by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media? No, games still costed 60, proving that manufacturing costs aren't the driving factor for prices in the 90s.
70 dollars from 60 is literally nothing, with the same equivalent you wouldnt have been able to buy a single game in the 90s
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
Video games prices have little to do with inflation and never did
If you can't look at these two numbers and figure out how a company's finances easily makes sense without a 10 dollar price hike, you're beyond help. And digital sales did not exist in the 80s and 90s. You're a moron
>costed
I hate ESLs so much...
That reads like something my neighbor's five year old moronic kid would say.
five-year-old kid*
Oof -- you got me. Thank you fellow grammar nazi.
why do you care about miner grammer so much
Miners don't even say costed
And I mean miners that dig ore out of caves not children which are minors, ESL English lesson for you
>(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed, which also cost money, more than physical would)
kek this is blatant misinformation. Dollar for dollar servers are cheaper than physical distribution by far, that's why the industry wants everyone to switch to digital cuckoldry. Because they save on physical distribution costs and get to pocket the difference.
Sure, one good data server costs way more than printing and shipping a physical disc... but printing and shipping MILLIONS of physical discs? The server is the cheaper option by far, and even just one data server will distribute more digital copies of more games than you'll ever be able to with physical distribution. It's just plain more efficient in every possible metric.
And the best part? You don't even need to pay for them if you don't want to. Every console manufacturer and steam will do all of that for you, and all they'll ask is a small percentage of your sales. Hell, the console manufacturers were taking that percentage anyways with your license.
So no, there's no excuse for digital games to be so fricking expensive. It's just pure greed. They save money on distribution costs and keep it to themselves instead of passing it on to the customer. And bootlickers like you defend it because you look at store ads like
and think they're being totally reasonable.
The cost of selling a digital copy is not comparable to the cost of producing and shipping physical discs. And the latter is nowhere comparable to the cost of producing cartridges back in the day. Discs don't require you to solder components to a board like these old cartridges did. Even Switch games are significantly less resource intensive.
Oh, and let's not forget that SNES games didn't have DLC or MTX to nickel and dime you with.
>0 replies
Lmao, guess you're wrong
That means he's right, dipshit.
>The cost of selling a digital copy is not comparable to the cost of producing and shipping physical discs
Is there even a cost for that? Aside from, yeah, keeping the server, isn't making a digital copy just generating a key with a keygen?
Resource wise, digital vidya are borderline worthless
>you are the moronic zoomer, cause if what you said was true(it's not, digital products still need to be stored on servers with high capacity and speed,
Do... do you think there's a server somewhere with millions of copies Call of duty waiting for them to be downloaded?
>by the time the PS2 came out in 2002, games should have costed 70, and in 2007 when the PS3 came out, they should have costed 85, and for PS4 in 2015, 93 dollars, but was that the case, despite the ever increasing inflation that also increased the manufacturing costs of physical media?
Look at this fricking moron acting like discs weren't significantly cheaper to produce.
I agree with this anon for an entirely different reason. Prices are set by whoever is both able and willing to pay. The price hikes and the DLC prices stick and continue to get worse because people keep buying them. If you continue to buy games anyway, then you agree that the new prices are correct.
>But I don't buy anything, I just pirate.
Then why do you even care?
Justify that price for digital games, then, since there's no cost in manufacturing.
Who fricking cares about manufacturing?
FACT: Cost of everything is higher (Source: inflation)
THEREFORE: The cost of game development is higher
THEREFORE: The games cost more to accomodate for the development cost rising.
The cost of developing $70 games isn't higher though. The first games to be sold at $70 were sports rehashes and a remake. Thesequel to Botw was $70 but didn't cost more to develop and reused the same engine and many of the same assets that were developed for the $60 game.
>The cost of developing $70 games isn't higher though.
It's objectively higher because of the concept of inflation, moron. Do you even know what inflation is?
It's objectively not higher. The cost of development for NBA2k20 did not jump by >15% after NBA2k19
Inflation doesn't justify $70 games and if you think otherwise you are too stupid to reason with. It's like trying to teach algebra to a rabid dog. You might as well be arguing films need to cost $40 for a ticket and standard Blu-ray movie should cost $100 each. Just completely fricking moron
Then make smaller releases? Don't spend a billion dollars on trash like HYENAS? Game inflation is completely manufactured by companies trying outflex each other in how many interns they can fit in the credits of the game
>The cost of game development is higher
Game development has never been cheaper. Almost all the costs now are marketing and diversity hires.
>considering times are tough and people are struggling to pay the bills now more than ever, it's epic as all heck that games now cost $100 if you want all of the content
Yeah, go swallow shit.
15+esg
>wont somebody PLEASE think about the multibillion $ corporations that are more profitable now than at any other point in history?!?!?
They have all the money in the world and they are desperately struggling to find ways to keep the lights on. Bud light lost over half their sales and 2% of their income, if they take another hit like they just did and they will be a multibillion dollar company that makes and produces nothing, sells nothing, and takes in no actual money.
The market for games is 100x what it was in the 90s. Only nerds played video games back then, now literally everyone does.
>Only nerds played video games back then
every normie was at the arcades or played Pong and Mario
No anon, those were needs and social outcasts. People used the arcade as a meet up place, only the losers were interested in the games. And only the losers wanted home consoles. Games have only been a normie thing in the last decade.
no
everyone played games but everyone had this weird stimga where they were embarassed to admit it due to shitty made up fiction in old shitty movies then millennials grew up and didnt give a frick what other morons thought
In the 90s, selling 100k copies was considered a resounding success for a major game release
Cracking a million sales was practically unheard of for anything that wasn't first party Nintendo
>90s
>playing pong
Zoomers need to be shot.
It's the bullshit excuse they're hiding behind
>digital
>fair price
All digital games should be cheaper
You're affected by inflation too you fricking moron.
Inflation is mostly surrounding physical assets right now. Raw materials, or constructed items. It won't impact the value of the service/labor industry until wages catch up completely, which is still a few years off. And you could argue that development is more "service" in terms of what you're paying for, since it doesn't involve physical resources.
As long as the wages haven't changed, the cost of production for software hasn't changed, either, since it doesn't utilize any raw materials or components. Just man hours.
I'm not going to argue for increasing vidya prices due to inflation, but I'd like to correct you by pointing out that services inflation has also been running hot.
I hope you get raped.
Not surprising, they didn't care when they became 60 dollars during the 7th gen either.
nice b8
>ITT: homosexuals who weren't around in the 80s and 90s
Hey Black person McZoomer homosexual, I was around then and in the PS1 and PS2 eras games were FIFTY DOLLARS new.
Get lynched.
A lot of PS1 games were 39.99 new.
Many were even cheaper than that at $19.99 brand new
Only proves my point further, thanks.
>$19.99 brand new
Budget games made cheaply no one would've spent 40-50 dollars on.
>Budget games made cheaply no one would've spent 40-50 dollars on.
And yet the same budget games made cheaply are $50+ now. Hell, some of them aren't even new games, just literal roms slapped on a disk and being sold for a premium.
>Budget games made cheaply no one would've spent 40-50 dollars on.
So every modern AAA game, got it.
Talking so much shit. But you don't know shit.
fpbp honestly. Anyone saying otherwise is a moron. Skyrim was $60 and that was 12 years ago
>doesn't understand what inflation actually is so gets easily manipulated by corporations
>calls others morons
Classic.
And Morrowind was fifty dollars in 2002, so maybe suck off a shotgun.
Exquisite bait my friend.
No; I think $0 is a more fair price for me, yarr!
you're fricking moronic. the quality of games has gone down, and they don't have to pay to make physical copies anymore. it's predatory and you're insane for saying this
The game companies are run by people who support all the politics that led to this inflation and as such should not benefit from it
Bad excuse, they've been making record profits. Most companies have regardless and when adjusted for inflation. You fell for it.
muh wages
>Price only went up by $10 in the last 40 years
>This makes everyone seethe
C'mon now...
Slave mentality
exists
>Slave mentality
Imagine being this brown.
Post wage growth alongside inflation anon.
What the frick does wage growth have to do with inflation, troony?
>who cares if people don't have more money
>rich people have more money so you have to pay rich people more for video games
This is why the other anon said you have mentality.
Anyone who seethes at this is a subhuman troony brown thirdworlder.
>buggy releases
>"we'll fix it later lmao!"
>Day -30 DLC
>upsell you 40+ season passes
>100+ GBs so they can hog your storage space
No. Games will never be worth 70 or more.
yeah a game that came out in 2006 with less content than the frickin PSP version is worth 70 bucks but hey at least it's pretty
I swear to God you people have stockholm syndrome or something you keep buying into this
people here bought Advance Wars Remake.
People here even argued they bought it in hopes that this makes Nintendo make a sequel.
The braindead people anons constantly complain about are here.
Gacha whale company drones. It's hard to tell if we have legitimate marketing threads because of how obsessed and entitled some people here feel about their favorite IP.
Are you really going to compare a $60 remake of two games to a $70 remake of one that won't even be the definitive version?
Now sure why everyone is mad about what he said. This is the price you must pay for living under Biden's rule.
Wait for a crack. Oh right, there's that stupid Denuvo.
>price of thing goes up
>paycheck ain't going up
This isn't how inflation is supposed to work
>he fell for the inflation meme
Also inflation bad but also DEFLATION .. LE BAD as well because reasons.
No..
Not my problem.
When did America became another shithole country?
Spent ourselves into poverty trying to keep turdies from starving to death by the millions
>Says zoomers who bought their vidyas with their parents' money.
This. It was inevitable. Cost of living has gone through the fricking roof. This last year alone has seen some absolutely insane universal price increases everywhere.
Prices went up, and if you're not a NEET, so did your wage. In my country, the average raise was 6.4%, which is to keep up with the increased cost of living. Screeching zoomzooms don't understand the economy. You'd think the more mature boomers would, but no.
>In my country
And your country is?
Average raise did not carry over to first world countries my man
All the Scandinavian countries had 5%+ raises, and they make other first world countries look like Kolkata comparatively.
I wouldn't consider that equivalent since they probably got taxed extra to compensate
To be honest I got a raise recently but everything went up that I feel like I keep losing more...
Will my wage also increase due to inflation?
inflation is caused by wage increases
you are either employed by a failing business or are being taken advantage of by your employer.
Inflation is not caused by wage increases, that's merely a result of goods being more expensive, which is not the direct cause either.
We're promised back then that digital product such as video game would and will not cost more than $60 but now look at it, look what happened when greedy exploitable person doing this to you.
Did you also consider the much bigger market? Digital distribution reducing manufacturing and logistics costs by a tenfold?
>americans so fricked now they have to worry about inflation like the other third world shitholes
lmao
America and pretty much all of EU yes
I award you the golden star for the goodest of goys
>Considering the insane inflation this price is fair.
Cuck
>Old games are worth $80-140 in todays money
Cuck cope
always kill a traitor before an enemy Ganker
grrrrr
I'm not sure why everyone spergs out over this, game prices were stagnant at $60 for over a decade, it was inevitable
Zoomies don't even remember when they hiked the price up from 50 to 60 dollars for every game and it stayed like that for almost 20 years. What was the justification for that then?
have a nice day bootlicking Black person.
https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation
This anon knows how to catch (you)s, everyone bit kek
this. playstation games used to be 40 new. adjusting for inflation they'd be 75.
people should stop b***hing and get a job.
Ex-President trump's inflation means that $70 now is actually cheaper than $60 then
Kek
Inflation went up directly because of biden's day one policies.
Lies, Bindenomics is LITERALLY saving the western world right now.
Yeah it had nothing to do with supply side shortages everyone knows inflation happens because of government spending except when trump was president and started money printing before Biden took office. It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money and these definitely aren't hack GOP talking points
Biden had us in lockdown for almost 2 years across the country
Biden stopped frakking
Millions of jobs permanently lost
That gave rise to oil inflation which in turn gave rise to every other aspect of inflation rising because our economy runs on the backs of truckers supplying cities with products.
is biden in the room with you now? is he stealing your video games and farting in your ramen?
You have no argument. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is a Black person.
this is the video games board, not the politics board. your cult leader is in prison right now lol
Is that why you were the first person to bring up politics?
>inb4 I'm not that anon!
>talk about politics
>get called on the bullshit he says
>"lmao this is Ganker not /misc/"
Many such cases
really fricking pisses me off that during the floyd riots liberals would constantly bring that stuff up out of nowhere and it was the people who told them how moronic they were being that caught bans
Tbf iirc Trump started the lockdown to begin with
>implying there were millions of jobs in fracking in the first place
LOL
Is Biden responsible for the "world changing" vaxx?
Uhm, sweaty, the tv said that Biden is the bestest President to have ever been in office. And if you can't believe them, who else can you believe?
this
donald trump has been responsible for our economy being shit for three years now, s owe have to pay $70 dollars to own the chuds and give extra back to the chosen people who keep our economy afloat
>It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money and these definitely aren't hack GOP talking points
The people you are arguing with were in kindergarten during the recession, and if not discovered this site due to burger politics
>uhhh did u know car prices being high is still the result of something obummer did 16 years ago????
>president creates law
The 08 financial crisis began in the 90s when congress started holding banks at gunpoint forcing them to give home loans to worthless Black folk with no credit. It just took until 2008 for the system to finally implode under its own weight
This guy econs. Can't believe how many morons think the president is personally in charge of the entire economy and materializes long-term effects with a snap of his fingers on his first day in office. Most economic indicators lag by 10+ years, not to mention every single president gets cucked by congress trying to pass his agenda into law, so even if the entire economy could actually be changed on a dime it sure as frick wouldn't be the president's prerogative.
>It's just like how Obama policies caused the 08 financial crisis because he spent too much money
>I am so smart
this
we have to pay the tax to our leaders in tel-aviv for the horrible attack on democracy that was dictator trump's reign of terror
Cope. Suffer the bidenflation you voted for.
4 more years of your cuckservative coping is soon
the second drumpflation has hit playstation tower!!!
You guys pay for vidya?
I haven't bought a game in like a decade
lol zoomers don't know that there were games that costed up to $90 in the 90s.
Games are one of the few products that have resisted inflation
Most people rented games back then. That's not possible anymore.
I don't buy games at full price ever anymore. Too expensive for my taste. I get them once they hit bargain bin levels or sales.
$0 for me
Wait til it's $15 (or free) just like every other non-Bethesda game.
it'll be free on youtube with adblock
Nintendo went back to $60 after trying it with Zelda.
No, they said games being $70 would be a case by case basis.
>raise price
>more people start pirating
>raise price
>more people start pirating
>raise price
What's the master plan here?
the people capable of pirating in the 1st world has fallen off a cliff in the past decade. It's both hilarious and sad
Good thing I have Game Pass. Will cost me $8 to play the game
>not buying games on steam and playing them on gamepass
Why would you do something so moronic
he's a vtroony, what do you expect?
>Actually shilling subscription bullshit
>prefers to pay 70 for a remake bullshit
did you know you don't need to play every game at release, and you can simply wait until it's cheaper or can be pirated? that there is in fact no one holding you at gunpoint, making you pay either microsoft or sega for this slop?
I don't own it either way, I may as well pay less for more.
>renting
>implying an up ressed PS2 game deserves more than a rental.
>paying money for something you don't own
People hate it, but thanks to gamepass I can count with the fingers of one hand how many games I've bought the past 5 years.
Everything is there or eventually will come out. I don't need to pay for slop like Dead Space or Jedi Survivor because they will release this winter on gamepass.
I don't need to buy games at full price since Microsoft buys them for me just for doing searches in theri moronic Bing, I bought Resident Evil 4 and Street Fighter 6 with my Microsoft Points.
I actually want Xbox and Microsoft to keep losing so they keep throwing free money at Xbox users.
70 dollars PLUS dlc that they will charge you extra for. Don't forget that part OP.
I tried to make the gamers rise up but they were too afraid of being called meanies.
FRICK G*MERS
>day one dlc
the state of atlus shit eaters lol
I sense a raid in progress. Bideneconomics in full swing.
The GOP raid is here yeah
These damn chuds shitting up our heckin wholesome enby board
only homosexuals use or have ever used the inflation version.
$20 is $20.
go apply that logic to bread and starve
Also adjusted for inflation.
speak for yourself
I always get my games for free or very cheap
the only people suffering here are morons who have a severe case of FOTMFOMO
>Have GoyPass till 2032 due to the Gold to GoyPass conversion
>Only cost bout 90 USD
Eating good
look, chuds, inflation isn't real but also it's good and racism caused it but so did putin.
As much as I hate Larian for its rampant homosexualry, I respect them a lot for their pricing and lack of mtx. Unfortunately, nobody is going to follow their lead and will continue charging $100 for the "full" edition of the game, plus more shitty DLC and preorder bonuses and battle passes and all the other gay shit that you morons love to consume.
and I will pirate it.
and if I can't pirate it, I will do without.
Game quality went up, and there's way more employees involved in a single game today than an entire publishing studio had 10 years ago. Gotta pay those bills somehow if you want to keep getting games that look and play like modern ones.
>Game quality went up
>February 2nd
>Not March 5th
They had one job.
>paying more than the price for a sandwich for a game
ISHYGDDT
I'm not buying any 70 trash ever.
>inflation hits everything but wages
>doesn't ask for a raise
>"wtf why didn't I get a raise"
You think like a woman. Your father and grandfather knew to constantly harass their boss for a raise, because if they didn't they'd never get one.
The funniest part is isn't this just a remaster of some old game?
>why yes we reheated this stale old mcburger, that'll be $70 plus mandatory 15% tip for the "waiter" who shoved it in a bag
P3R is the game that convinced me to pirate literally every single game, and watch on youtube what can't be pirated.
Before, I would always set aside $75 a month for a game, sans every 3rd month after the 2nd months. So that's $600/yr saved.
Sorry tiny hats, economy's rough since you tanked it, so I'll just get it for free then.
Game prices have gone down, actually. I have NES games that cost over $60-70 in the early 1990s, which is well over $100 today.
People didn't have to work 3 jobs to get by in the 90s.
I dont know a single person that has 3 jobs, most people have 1
Oh, so you were arguing in bad faith. Okay, consume feces.
You were literally arguing in bath faith by pretending its common people work 3 jobs. have a nice day moron
>I have NES games that cost over $60-70 in the early 1990s
And then they got cheaper when they were on compact discs.
gamers are the biggest spineless beta cucks
they will never boycott anything
>$70 games
>games worse than ever
Really makes you think
That whole to the moon thing was a super meme huh..
Some people did make a load of money during the one week where it went to some $400 per share. Just too many jumped in on it way to late. To make serious bank one must've bought in like a year before it happened when reddit first came up with the plan.
>"everything is on clearance"
>wall full of funko pops
Did people get better taste after years of this shit?
I thought this was a laser cheese reference for a second
more like Toys-stop.
I get better prices both selling and buying from a local privately owned Gamestores. Some even have new old stock PS2 and PS3 games.
>$70
Frick right off.
Foods getting expensive. I don't have to buy video games but I have to buy food...
It doesn't affect me one bit.
Just wait for a sale. There's usually a 20%-30% discount within a month anyway
>super deluxe editionTM has been defended as an excuse for combating inflation
>still exists with $70.00 base models
lol
lmao
When it's something no one needs, like videogames, people can sell stuff at whatever price they want. It's not a moral issue. Spend your money elsewhere if you prefer.
If that's the case Gamers would've "rose up" in the 90s shen the SNES & Genesis did this shit for 70 or 80 bucks for cartridges.
They did and that's why game prices dropped across the board.
Why do you think the PS1 sold way more than the saturn or n64? It sure wasn't the quality of games, it was the fact they were $20 cheaper due to being on discs.
Soulless
Gamers don't have a spine
>spend $70 usd in a videogame for month of fun
>spend $70 usd in beer, weed or other drugs
This could potentially be good. People might buy less games and lower sales means they have to start making better games to be worth the money.
Who am I kidding? You tards will eat up the garbage and then cry about it on Ganker the very next day.
Look at this thread, Ganker is literally Think of the Multibillion Dollar Corpo: The Board.
>b-b-but that's haaaard!
>I'll get viruses!
>isn't that...ILLEGAL!!!?
I tried, normalgays are morons.
They were dumbass. You just weren't alive back then.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT MICROSOFT? THEY'RE PRACTICALLY AN INDIE STARTUP AND NEED EVERY PENNY THEY CAN GET!
BAMCO IS SURELY SUFFERRING!
PLEASE, NINTENDO CAN'T TAKE MANY MORE FINANCIAL HITS!
SONY WON'T LAST MUCH LONGER IF WE ACT LIKE ANYTHING IS WRONG!
All together now:
THE GAME IS PERFECT STOP BEING A TROLL!
Fanboys are the worst.
>we live in a society that pays 70 dollars for remakes
Everything will deflate when Russia loses the war, bros. New houses will be $40k
>loses
heh.
zoomie is about to find out about the cycle of history.
If you want to hit them where it hurts drop the secret club bullshit and start teaching normalgays how to pirate and use adblocker.
The last vidya I bought for full price was probably Fallout 4 on release day. Now I just wait for games to go on sale or play older, cheaper games.
Games are really cheap. Even if someone have a budget for purchase lots of games for 70 bucks a piece, maybe $1,000 USD every year?
Yeah just stop getting 20 dollar starbucks coffee
>NOOO I MUST CONSOOOM THE PRODUCT ON DAY 1!!!!1!!!!
just buy the game on a sale you gays, you don't have to spend $70 on a game
Tell that to FOMO morons who literally think
>NOOO I MUST CONSOOOM THE PRODUCT ON DAY 1!!!!1!!!!
Have you noticed that even really old games are still expensive nowadays? Black Ops II still costs fricking $50 on the xbox store, turns out microsoft is as israeli as apple
You can buy BLOPS 2 for like $15 on ebay
threads like these make me wish post IDs were implemented on this shitty board
It can look like a ps2 game, buggy as frick, $60-$70 price tag and dumbfricks will still buy it because it's MADE IN JAPAN.
Because they will buy it anyway.
Who cares? Just don't buy it day one, its not hard. I haven't paid full price for a game in over 10 years.
People are sheep and don't actually play games because they enjoy them. They NEED to CONSOOM on day 1 and follow the crowd or they feel left out.
That is so fricking pathetic, I hope no one actually thinks that way.
You're underage, yeah?
games are reaching $120 here in aus now 🙁
I've just been playing my backlog and pirating new shit if it looks good. There's no way I'm spending that many dollarydoos on any fricking game. Everything else is expensive enough.
anyone who thinks it's "fair" to set the price of a video game at 70 dollars deserves a bullet to the head. that is all.
"people" who buy video games day 1 deserve to have their money taken from them and fricked over at every opportunity.
it's either
>buy game day one for inflated price and get to play it while it's fresh
or
>wait no less than five (5) years for a potential price drop and after everyone has already moved on, and game doesn't even drop lower than 20 dollars
god this fricking industry sucks ass.
That is only relevant if it's multiplayer. It literally makes no difference if "people have moved on" for a singleplayer game.
>wait no less than five (5) years for a potential price drop
You can tell immediately people who is a CONSOOMER who always buys games day 1 and don't actually know what they're talking about. Price drops happen constantly. Persona 5 Royal only took a few months to drop half price on PC, the frick are you talking about 5 years?
persona 5 royal is a port
persona 3 reloaded is a complete remake, not a remaster.
And? This doesn't matter at all. P3R will price drop quickly like every other game, stop being a sheep.
Ok. Let's look at the price history if RE: Village.
https://steamdb.info/app/1196590/
That's only on Steam directly. The game is even cheaper when you include official third party sites. Its like $15 right now and has gone as low as $9.
https://gg.deals/game/resident-evil-village/
aside from multiplayer, who wants to wait so long for a price drop?
you're a god damn idiot if you can't rub two brain cells together long enough to consider that not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion. there are plenty of games that retain their value for arbitrary reasons.
>you're a god damn idiot if you can't rub two brain cells together long enough to consider that not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion. t
No, you're an idiot because you act like price drops is some rare phenomenon. Sure some games don't drop as much as others but they DO drop, even greedy ass companies like Activision drop their games at least half price a few times a year. Again, you don't know what the frick you're talking about because you're a fricking sheep that only knows to consoom.
just shut the frick up you idiot moron motherfricker, I'd slit your fricking throat if I could get away with it. please fricking die. I sincerely hope you get into a fiery accident, or have Black folk come into your home and beat you within an inch of your life before raping your orifices and stealing all your shit taste video games. I DIDN'T ASK YOU FOR YOUR moron OPINION SO LEARN WHEN TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT homosexual.
have a nice day.
lol brainlet
lol moron. have a nice day you fricking waste of space piece of shit lmao fricking homosexual prostitute b***h c**t just die hehehe hahahaha lolololo lulz lmao jajajajajajaja you fricking street shitting pajeet what the frick do you know about anything huh?
lol didnt read
lol it's because you can't you illiterate cretin. hey, kid, wanna try something fun? go into your local auto parts store, buy some antifreeze, and guzzle it down.
k
>not every game is going to depreciate in price in some predictable fashion
99% of games get a small price drop within the first couple months. 99% of games get a significant price drop within the first 6 months. After a year or more? You can often pick up even last year's AAA games for under 20 bucks.
the franchise you grew up with is gone
when's the sonic costumes
gotta go fast
just wait until a deep sale, like every sane person.
Or just play the original, in this case
Publishers:
1. Don't have to spend on physical anymore. No more cases, manuals, discs, etc.
2. Don't do QA testing, because they can just patch it later.
3. Have a market that has more players and devices than ever.
4. Have infinitely more revenue streams selling DLC costumes, maps, in-game currency, etc.
Cuckold consoomers; we owe it to the publishers to give them the extra money, it's only fair! Muh inflation!
>TERRIBLE remake no one asked for
>no FES content
>no portable content
>70bucks
Atlus is such a terrible company honestly.
They already pissed me off with the DOGSHIT P5R release, fricking over the owner of the original P5.
for a remake? why would you buy this? It's probably censored too
$179.98 + $10.74 tax(6%) = $190.72
if I want both games with all of the content.
>Y-YOU DON'T NEED THE DLC!
It's nice to have, it literally unlocks several personas you can't get otherwise.
If you're defending this shit, you're the actual reason the video game industry is in the state it's in right now. You ruined video games for everybody.
>j-just wait for a sale
I'll pirate it before I support another greedy wienersucker.
you literally don't need the DLC and you can wait for a sale just like with any other product
You people are truly fricking stupid. Even Persona 5 Tactica has a small discount on other sites right now, you make zero effort to find a better deal for yourself and then you cry about it.
use CreamAPI stoopid
yes i love atlus, why do you ask
actually unironically have a nice day
im keeping traditional games alive while you support f2p-ization of everything
dont be surprised when only gachishit remains
>im keeping traditional games alive
your denuvoslop purchases keep games as a service alive and shovel more dirt onto the grave of game ownership.
its over, denuvo won
Best goy award
oh no whatever will I do...
>waits 4 years until the GOTY or whatever edition is on sale for 15 bucks, with the latest patches applied
you'd have to be a real cuck to buy new games and not be a patient chad.
>digital premium edition
>for a remake of a 17 year old single player rpg
THIS FRICKING wienerSUCKER INDUSTRY
I for one enjoy the free remakes they keep pumping out, arrrr
>70 bucks for a game I already played when I was 15yo
Yeah nah, I am pirating that shit
will the preorder bonuses be dlc or are we locked out if we don't preorder? i'm gonna wait for a big sale. no game is worth $100.
why so many fricking shills in this place? you buttholes like getting shafted? maybe buy some fricking dragon dildos then, instead of advocating for price hikes for old hardware. can't wait for the industry to fricking collapse, second industry crash fricking when?
Never, because low IQ morons with lots of money given to them by their parents keep paying for this shit. Also, Blackrock would keep funding it to make sure it never crashed again.
Nobody is shilling here. People are (rightly) saying you should wait for a price drop. What you morons don't realize is they keep raising the price because they know apes like you don't wait. You HAVE to play it day 1 because you have no self-control. If you had any semblance of patience whatsoever, this wouldn't have happened. We would still be at $50 being the norm. YOU are the one ruining the industry, not people who actually wait and buy the game at a reasonable fricking price like it should be.
Yup. Gamers should have fricking stopped buying games entirely when they increased the price to $60 in the PS3/360 era but they didn't and now we're here.
I remember paying 60 eurobucks for PS1 games though
no, you fricking dickhead, what your moronic ass fails to comprehend is that these publishers are aggressively maintaining the MSRP for games at or near launch day price for years after release and for no good reason other than greed. it's a battle of attrition and they selectively lower the price because it benefits them to only do so during sales or promotions or whatever the frick so that they don't have to permanently lower the price anymore. that's some bullshit and yet somehow you're blaming spending habits for those sort of greedy anticonsumer tactics? frick you.
video game price should be pegged to mcchicken
All the people whining about the price are just tendies who are back to hating Atlus now that Persona 3 Reload won't be on the Switch. The price is perfectly fine. In fact, I'd say that they're undercharging it.
I paid 10$ for P3FES digital version on PS3 around 15years ago.
This 70$ "remake" which is inferior in every way is a disgrace.
Only played 1,2 and 5, was thinking about playing 3 but since the remake is close and I want to play a lot of games I'll wait, glad that game pass saves me a lot of money nowadays for being the best subscription model.
is Ganker actual middleschoolers or what?
why would the price of something stay the same forever
based
gatekeep the poorgays
with this + nu-Denuvo games will become great again
I have the game on PS2
I remember paying like ten bucks for a copy of P3 in 2010 in a used bookstore. Why the frick would I pay 70 today
So don't buy it? If you're so poor that you're crying about this, don't buy it.
$70 for a remake. yeah no, i'll pass thanks
It really is insane to charge that much for a remake, won't take long for it to go on sale anyways
Even worse, it's a remake with cut content from the other versions. The Answer isn't in the game nor is the FemC. It's Atlus so there will be DLC out the ass almost guaranteed if Soul Hackers 2, SMTV, and Persona 5 are anything to go by but at least Persona 5 was just cosmetic outfits, SH2 and SMTV had quests and demons paywalled.
I have 0 idea why anyone would buy this. It's an insult to gamers, throw in the $70 price point when it's $1 on game pass on the system that has the least amount of JRPG gamers and it's a joke. PCgays have access to that deal too but they prefer Steam. Maybe they'll cave this time because the fricking thing has Denuvo. The FemC being omitted is most likely because of the Ken romance too so we can add censorship to the list as I'm sure there will be more censorship besides that. It's seriously everything wrong with modern gaming.
>$1 on game pass
can't you play shitbox games on the pc now? even without a shitbox? i don't know anything about shitbox so i'm probably wrong.
You can, that's what I was talking about in the next sentence but the current deal is $1 for 2 weeks. Good luck talking steamgays into using anything other than steam and maybe battle.net though. There will probably be more sales of the game on Steam than people playing it through PC game pass even with that massive price difference. Anything not on Steam might as well not exist.
Same when they pushed $60 for PC games 10 years ago
I stopped buying a majority of AAA games when they started to use Denuvo DRM, and just went to start buying indie/AA games that were $40 and below. If I'm not doing this, I wait for discounts. and generally I've been happy with that because waiting for discounts means also waiting for patches that improve game stability.
$70 games literally doesn't affect me because I wasn't even paying $60 for games post-2017.
Just bought Hitman 3 for €35 while they try to sell it for €70 digital.
35 is still too much tho but whatever. Once they go fully digital, I'm done with all of them. Only indie then.
>omg I can't believe that P3R is $70, Atlus is so fricking greedy
>why yes I bought Tears of the Kingdom and loved it so much that I'd gladly buy a third game that's largely the same, how could you tell?
Why does it look like a ps3 game?
I'd say catherine looks better than this.
Remember when Atlus released P4G for like $20 on steam out of nowhere? It wasn't even that long ago but they've fallen hard since then
plus $30 for The Answer dlc. haha!
>Gamers never rose up
>Expecting WESTERN gamer cucks to rise up
Heh
never?
Games are still cheaper they have ever been.
see
You are not buying anything today, you don't own your games.
I dont understand the point. Inflation is up for everything. But games didnt rise at all with inflation. They went down. Would you prefer to keep paying 110$ like in the SNES days?
>But games didnt rise at all with inflation. They went down
Not only is that not how inflation works but games had a different method, dlc and microtransactions anons like this
Only show why it works.
Okay. But the claim is that video games are priced too high. Except they are not, if anything they are priced too low still. Also DLC existed in the 90s too, except they sold a whole new game instead
>But the claim is that video games are priced too high.
Which they are. Video game development has only gotten cheaper and cheaper over the years especially as more developers abandon making their own tools and instead use generic engines.
On top of that disc and carts are far more cheaper now than they were in the past and can hold a lot more not to mention minor cost cutting like the loss of manuals.
Games shouldn't be anywhere near 60 let alone 70.
>except they sold a whole new game instead a
Yes anon, we all know about updated versions but they aren't dlc. It's not digital.
It's a physical product that needs to be manufactured.
I get you're on the younger side and think this is all magic but it isn't.
Dude, I'm 34, I grew up in the NES, SNES era. While game manufacturation went down, game dev cost didnt for AAA games. So while we have way more 20-30$ games now due to the indie and Mid tier dev size being able to pull a profit from low teams, AAA games still cost multi millions in developement. So even if they are not on Cartdridges and most of the time dont need to be shipped, does not mean that they dont cost more. You cant have massive games like Elden Ring that cost 3 years of developement and millions be priced the same as a Super Meat Boy made by 2 guys
I don't give a flying frick about their profit margins nor should you. That is not an argument.
Except that they do, which is why they rise prices.
>which is why they rise prices
Greed is why they raise prices. Why dont you compare the average sales a random no-name NES game made back in the day to what some random no-name indie game on steam makes now?
Money is why they do it. Less profit = less incentives for them to do the product. They dont do games for fun, they need to make money on it.
Just like any capitalistic interaction, it's a war between consumer wanting low prices and company wanting high price. If the price is too low, the company wont do the product again, if they price is too high the product wont be bought.
Then stop buying $70 AAA garbage. Shouldnt be too hard
In other words, greed.
Yes, greed on both side. Consumer greed and company greed
>on both side
No, it's entirely publishers and corporate side you bootlicking apologist
Understanding the fact of both side does not mean it's bootlicking
claiming "both sides" (you made that mistake twice you dirty sewer dweller) when the corporate side is the one clearly to blame for all of it is bootlicking
Except that both side is greedy. You dont want to pay, they dont want to get paid less.
>You dont want to pay
I dont want to pay MORE, especially when I get LESS for it.
>Understanding the fact of both side
You quite literally understand neither.
It's still greed. Does not matter if you are paid less or more.
Consumer greed isn't a thing in this situation. Once you educate yourself you'll learn that video games are too expensive for what they are.
Yes but when you go to bat for said company and the only reasoning being how much money they make you've become a problem in the system.
Because shitstains with no principles or awareness of their rights and responsibilities as a consumer let them.
>game dev cost didnt for AAA games.
It did, significantly for the reasons stated.
Most of the actual cost goes into marketing nowadays and even that pales in comparison to how much game that sell well make nowadays compared to the past. A multiplat game could probably hit 5m with a handful of exceptions.
Nowadays it's not uncommon for them to hit 20 million with ease.
>You cant have massive games like Elden Ring
Anon, Elden Ring is on the cheaper side of games and it, like many from soft games, reused assets on top of using . You couldn't have chosen a worse example.
And you still aren't factoring in how much they earn from 100% digital dlc.
You say you're 34 but it's clear you have no perspective of the past.
>on top of using
Excuse me I forgot to finish this sentence. I was interrupted part way through.
Anyway, on top of using a generic physics engine.
ok now show average minimum wage adjusted for inflation.
>Minimum wage
If you're still working for minimum wage past the age of 18 you are ngmi
the minimum wage should be able to provide for a man, his wife, 3 children and a reasonably priced hobby for each of them
many nations were able to achieve this in the past there is no reason it couldn't be done again
These guys think you shouldn't be allowed to have all that working at McDonald's, but imagine what would happen if everyone working in fast food decided to quit. These fatasses wouldn't be able to live without their processed slop, but don't think the people serving it up to them deserve a livable wage
No nation has ever achieved that, lmao
>employment is zero-sum
Lmao x2
Bidenomics will, we just need to give it four more years.
minimum wage was created with the idea to literally kill poor people
Wtf I love minimum wage now???
You do know there is a limited ammount of jobs moron that aren t minimum wage. If everyone had a degree in engineering , some of them would be forced to work at mcdonalds .
Now compare that to actual wage increases and cost of living
>$70 became the new norm
>Thinking this is because they want $70 a game
no this is so they can put it on a 20% off sale for $55 and trick you into thinking you're saving money. Every business does it.
remember when Atlus made Dante mode a dlc in Nocturne remaster? based
>NOOOOOOOOO I want cheaper games!!!
>NOOOOOOOOO I want better and more optimized games!!!
>NOOOOOOOOO I want more GIBS!!! Just print more money!!!
i just don't buy games
>he still buys games
>wasting money on entertainment in a deep recession
Yar har
video games were never worth more than like 30 bucks
>digital options never existed in the 90's chud
>THATS NOT THE SAME THATS NOT THE SAME
The sega channel was an idea made up to try and help people get into playing new games despite the rising cost of them. The fact that it took this long for games to go above 60 as a standard is a miracle.
Zero Dollars premium deluxe edition announced for my PC
WALK THE PLANK WITH YE NOW
gamers are racist cucks for capitalism
there are "people" who will pay $100 for this unfinished game and then spend more money on it later
Digital always should remove the costs of production of cartridges/sd/disks whatever.
$70 for a steam release with Denuvo is a steal.
you know the expression "is a steal" means good deal for the consumer?
>less content than the originals
>higher price
>denuvo
Sega/atlus really are stepping up their israelite game lately
I haven't given modern games a dime in a very long time
Well I'm not buying it, so there
I'm still waiting for P5R to be cracked, and I can wait just fine for a remake with missing content that will be re-released in 1 or 2 years top.
I already decided that when this comes out I'll be playing P3P anyway pham.
your expectations for reload are so low you're going to warm up by playing the worst version of P3 possible first? bold strategy i suppose
>m-muh inflation...
Inflation is lower than it has been in the past 2 years and still going down, why are corps still pricing us as of we were at 2021 peak inflation?
>inflation increases at lower rate why are prices not doing down
You are from US and it shows
You are ESL and it shows also
At least I know more than 1 language and some economy, e1l-kun
remakes
hd ports
games that you've seen before
on the ps3 and the ps4
69 dollar console game
Don't forget the dlc for a game that didn't have it in the first place
I have never paid full price for a video game
>>$70 just became a norm
never rose up
You're gonna see how high gamers rose up by how low the profits will be going forward. The western games industry already has seen a significant decline in profits in the last 3 years, despite the loldemic.
The funny thing is that it's not even about the price points, it's about the content and how shite it is. People will pay if they love the product, the price point never was an issue for anyone with employment. You skip something else and save up the cash, but if the product is garbage, the price could be free and you wouldn't even bother.
>The funny thing is that it's not even about the price points, it's about the content and how shite it is. People will pay if they love the product, the price point never was an issue for anyone with employment. You skip something else and save up the cash, but if the product is garbage, the price could be free and you wouldn't even bother.
Big fat belly investors are seething.
Not my problem, it comes with the Game Pass
why are you proud of paying to subscribe to games as a service? was it your first big boy purchase after getting hired at mcdonald's?
Because I bought 3 years of Game Pass for $120
It was a great deal that has paid off 1 year in
>It was a great deal that has paid off 1 year in
Cool. When the 3 years are up, what do you get to keep that you paid $120 for?
Why would I want to keep anything? Videogames are not essential goods.
Honey, thanks to Steam you don't get to own videogames anymore. Even physical copies are worthless because most games are broken without patches. And buying digital is just pure YWON cringe.
Yet another piratechad win.
>>$70 just became a norm
Sorry but I'm just not going to preorder games. Hahaha I know I know but I'm just not even going to buy games at launch hahaha crazy right? But I'm just going to wait until the game is fully patched and on sale because I have impulse control hahaha
not paying 70 for a videogame lol
companies will either
a) learn to reduce costs to keep the game cheaper
b) lose a costumer
I haven't bought a game on release day since the N64 era. It'll be 50% less in 6 months like P5R. $70 to own nothing is crazy but should I be surprised NPCs accept this with no remorse, probably not.
>$70
haha I just won't pay
I'll still play but I won't pay
>$70 dollary doos for a shitty remaster of a PSP game
suck my dick from the back, i hope this shit flops.
the game came out 17 years ago, just wait 6 months to get it for like 10$
>>$70 just became a norm
You're a few years late kiddo.
I genuinely ask what your options or solutions are. In this game, the game you want is 70 bucks. Your options are either: don't play it at all, pirate it, or pay up. Most people don't pirate and that's just a fact. You DO want to play the game in scenario so giving up on it isn't realistic either. Or you wait months to YEARS to buy it on sale. None of these are good options for getting it right away; which is the crux of this problem. "Just don't want it" isn't an answer because it isn't part of the discussion.
You can't "rise up" when your only options are either paying out the ass, or nothing. Coupled with the fact that it doesn't really matter if you don't buy it or 10,000 other people don't buy it when probably dozens of thousands to dozens of hundreds of thousands of people WILL buy it.
>get it right away
A fool and his money are soon parted, emphasis on 'soon'. Be patient, or be poor
Why would I pay more money for a broken product? I don't need a game on release, I can wait until it's finished.
Waiting may have been a 'problem' with droughts in the past but there's no shortage of games to play nowadays. Impatient people are usually low IQ, anyway.
> it doesn't really matter if you don't buy it or 10,000 other people don't buy it when probably dozens of thousands to dozens of hundreds of thousands of people WILL buy it.
Investor hate him, who care about money when you can extort 10 moron for 15% more $$$
Waiting to play vidya 1/2 years after is still the best play as a costumer unless it's a multiplayer game because the game might simply die out before you get it
By waiting 1/2 years you get
1) More polished game due to patches
2) Cheaper game due to sales/discount
3) All DLCs/Season Pass from the get go as long you're willing to play and get the full experience which if one decides to include would be back to maybe the original $70 or more even so still it's more content
>never paid a game more than 30€
>the dev never got a single cent out of me outside of indie i buy on sale
Not my problem.
Who cares, wait 5 years, buy that shit on discount.
It'll be hilarious if Grand Blue ends ups taking all of the casual sales being an actual new game and costing $60 despite being in development twice as long. That $70 is for wasteful fanatics people that never played the story before.
You dont have to buy it day 1. I just got totk off ebay for 50 bucks
Leaker here. These are some of the changes that will be in Persona 3 Reload:
>Ryoji gets more development and a social link
>There are more free time activities like darts and gardening
>Fuuka has better navigation skills
>the hot spring scene has been changed. When you get caught, instead of getting beaten up, Makoto Yuki and the other guys' towels end up falling down and they rush past the girls out of the hot spring naked
>There will be more interactions between SEES
>There will be several small references to Persona 5 including a reference to Shujin Academy and Sojiro
holy frick lmfao
it will be selling for 40$ a month after release, think i'll wait.
Imagine playing this shit. I don't get the appeal. Unlike you nerds, us men we play real games with real guns like that new delta force game? None of that God damn gay ass shit. Lmao
I wait for a 25% or more discount. The hype and shilling are over by then. I'll know if the game has problems like performance and bugs. If I'm still interested in the game at that point I might buy it.
> Rise up the price to 70, already pushing it to 80 (ex: forspoken, redfall)
> Slowly kill physical edition: no disc release for yakuza gaiden or Alan wake 2, digital edition of console sold at loss to speed up the process
> Will probably ditch retailers in the medium term : buy the shit full price on psn or gtfo
> Increase of the price of service like gamepass with a target of 30/40 bucks in probably 3-5 years
Future is bright, invest in vaseline.
>$70 bux for a rom with cut content and a zoomer grafix filter
lol no
>paying for goyslop
Played yourself
isn't persona 3 remake just a unreal engine 4 slop project?
Yep.
dont know why random unreal engine 4 games are $60 and others are $70. the engine came out when ps4 came out. same engine so should be same price. unreal engine 5 is next gen so it should be $70.
Abuse.
Before Sony entered the fray games never used to have standardised pricing but when the ps1 came along everything started having a flat rate which has been slowly increasing despite actual development costs getting lower.
>70$
Pretty sure I see 100$, for a fricking PS2 game
Let's raise a glass of Popeye's Ice Tea for Tim Sweeney! EGS has truly delivered on it's promise to make game cheaper for everyone!
TAKE ME BACK
https://kotaku.com/microsoft-to-sell-next-gen-games-for-60-price-of-gami-513489951
>direct link to kotaku
i, too, would like you to go back.
Yeah I'm just gonna pirate it.
Gamers are some of the worst consumers out there.
>MUH $10
Black person, you should see the mortgage interest rates, lmao. 0.25% and 0.5% increases every few months to try to kill the inflation.
have not touched anything past 50 dollars. most new switch games i get for 45 dollars hell got tears for 48 almost didn't bother with it but stacked some discounts it came down.
no one should be buying games at full price there are stores other then gamestop guys
>Can't even pirate it because sega puts denuvo on everything
that's a no for me
>$70 for a 2006 game
still 0$ to me
Not paying.
I hope AAA vidya crashes, this is only happening to due to the declining retail space and more people going digital. Stuff like this actively fuels things like game passes and subscription services. You might not realize it, but media is in a decline of value due to subscription services, and raising prices only benefits those services.
if this becomes the norm, i will just pirate everything, crack not available? not playing it
I mostly just spend money on Genshin Impact now. not very many games come out that are appealing to me at all. I'll buy Starfield. I was gonna buy AC but the designs are wrong/parts are generally too curvy and thin not blocky and bulky like AC should be
>spends money on slot machine
Gambling addict
I had no reason not to pirate to begin with
>same slot machine gambling addict guy who is in literally every thread 24/7
would cringe if your existence even like registered in any way lmao
have you played it? it embarrassed totk a couple weeks ago...free yearly update blows away totks amount of content lmaoooooo
>have you played it? it embarrassed totk a couple weeks ago...free yearly update blows away totks amount of content lmaoooooo
Oh you're that anon I was talking to a few days ago. Yes I've played it and no it didn't.
That wasn't even the point anyway, you're feeding into a game you don't own that will eventually be shut down for one reason or another.
highly doubtful just a commonly shared sentiment
>That wasn't even the point anyway, you're feeding into a game you don't own that will eventually be shut down for one reason or another.
and? video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them. by paying for an in-process game, the game affords higher quality and more variability over time than other games. it's a tango between the producer and fans. the producer has recently seen that the fans have rejected what they're doing, so we'll see how that steers the direction of the game!
I notice that a lot of people who are basically life failures focus on "ownership" of things. Can you own the quake era, when I was online in the mid 90s with basically only smart and techie people, playing the first ever game that shipped with tcp/ip internet play, which was fully moddable and mappable, and everyone ran servers and was learning to configure apache and linux so we could run our own websites and shit and it drove our adoption of tech careers and our interest in ip telephony and...........
if you own a copy of Quake from 1996 how much of that do you own anon?
>highly doubtful just a commonly shared sentiment
It's not. Even in genshin threads you're an outlier.
>video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them
Okay? And when you want to play the game when the service is terminated?
You wrote up this entire post but failed to realise that you will always be able to have that experience if you own it. If you don't then losing it is a foregone conclusion.
I mean, if they land on another genshin level game do you think they're going to support both?
>It's not. Even in genshin threads you're an outlier.
? intellectually dishonest, man
your generation of people has to realize that you can just talk to people. you don't have to "win".
i'm too tired to go forward with you after you said that. genshin impact has an unbelievably passionate following even on Ganker-- you simply cannot state otherwise, it's not reality, no matter how much you wail against it.
>And when you want to play the game when the service is terminated?
then tough titty? why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
can you play the Quake era from 1997 now? did you get ANYTHING from what I wrote? are you even capable of considering other perspectives?
>I mean, if they land on another genshin level game do you think they're going to support both?
you are literally not intelligent enough to realize they'd make more money doing two than one? lol
>your generation of people has to realize that you can just talk to people
This isn't about winning, this is about stating facts. Not even people in genshin threads make this claim, they rarely talk about Zelda and when it does come up its just you trying to claim it's superior.
>i'm too tired to go forward with you after you said that.
And yet you continued to type up a response. Also I never said anything about Genshin not having a following here.
>why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
It's not a book you know, it's an interactive piece of media meaning you can play it in a variety of ways if you so choose. Pokemon and it's endless sea of fan made challenges like nuzlockes being a good example.
I know there's not that much variety in genshin, heck it doesn't even have proper aerial combat, but you could still tackle things in different ways such as a single element run and what not.
This is a video game, it's about the experience, not the story.
>can you play the Quake era from 1997 now
Yes, it's incredibly easy to play them on virtual machines and because they aren't locked to online services and even have single player game modes they're still fully playable today.
Compare that to the many shut down mobile games.
>you are literally not intelligent enough to realize they'd make more money doing two than one
Wow, you really think it's just about money and not workforce. You know you can't just hire random people off the street right?
>why would i want to play genshin impact in like 15 years after the main storyline which is designed to be 8 years long is over?
Maybe you like the game.
>can you play the Quake era from 1997 now?
Yep. Doom, too.
>if you own a copy of Quake from 1996 how much of that do you own anon?
100% dumbass.
Anyone with a brain can set up a custom server or even just do an old school LAN party
How much of Genshin do you own.
>intentionally failing to grasp the point
sad that you want to "win" more than interact
didn't read tbh
you people are so dense and of course you replied with some anime image. i'm just no longer interested in interacting with your age group to be totally honest
you'll play it one day and then pretend you never pretended to hate it becuase you were told to
>you people are so dense and of course you replied with some anime image
Not only is Genshin an anime game but that image shows its eventual fate.
>you'll play it one day and then pretend you never pretended to hate it becuase you were told to
I'm playing the game right now. I'm pretty sure I did the same thing when you tried to say I didn't play it last time too.
Either way this has nothing to do with what we're talking about but if you really want my opinion on it, the game is okay, not bad, not good and in dire need of some polish especially where collision is concerned.
Even in the early game grinding for things is tedious especially Primogems.
socioeconomic status checks out
>video games aren't about "owning" the game anon they're about the experience of playing them
>another YOU PAY FOR THE EXPERIENCE!!! homosexual
top fricking kek this is a literal crackhead-tier excuse except speed is actually better than imaginary anime tiddies
>I mostly just spend money on Genshin Impact now
That's even fricking worse.
Last full price game i got was BG3 in EA. Then before that FO4 was gifted to me so i bought the 35 dollar season pass. Everything else theres mastercard.
Persona players are so mentally ill that you could just as well charge them 100$ just for the basic edition,
They’re the only ones in the market that producing high quality dating sims that are free without gacha mechanics. Name one competitor they have??? You got nothing. Honestly they should be pricing their Persons games at $100
I have never paid $70 for a videogame, and I never will. I'll just wait for them to go on sale, or If I really want to play it now, I'll just pirate it.
>Verification not required.
Piracy will increase. And that's a good thing because bad developers will be forced to improve or go under!
>Gamers never rose up
Oh no, they did. Or atleast, they tried to before they got backstabbed by corporate cum-addicted snoys crying
>W-WELL THIS MEANS MORE MONEY FOR DEVS AND MORE AAA EXCLUSIVES FOR US YOU'RE JUST POOR AND JEALOUS!!!!
i wonder what happened to them now?
If they had any ounce of humanity and honor they would've necked themselves by now
>standard that applies to every console and PC
>BUT SONY
grow up
>trend started by Sony
>aB-B-BUT EHAT ABOUT-
Sorry snoy but this mess is entirely your fault. For once in your worthless life, admit your frickup and kick the chair for that's the only way you'll get salvation
frick yeah, poorgays BTFO
I buy maybe one full priced game a year
2020 was alyx
2021 was nothing
2022 was elden ring
I buy a game once every blue moon nowadays, 70 quid is nothing
>Persona 3 Retrooned
No thanks.
>Armored Core 6 sold for 60 dollars for a brand new game
>remake of a game people played 20 years ago is more than it cost on release and more than their rereleases
I never bought a $70 game. Nobody forced you to do it. I don't care if they charge $100 or even $200 for new games because I'll still wait until they're on sale for $10 or less.
it makes sense, games are getting way more expensive to make
it just means ill be way more careful with what i buy
>games go up in price
>quality declines
>game launches at $70
>wait about a month
>game is pretty much half off
literally every game is like this. except for nintendo games of course.
but i know gamers suffer from FOMO for some reason so they never wait.
Who cares about prices? The average Gankertard probably hasn't bought a game legitimately in like a decade. You're complaining about nothing.
>$70
Yar, no good.
>$0
Yo ho ho!
>digital costs more than physical
never rose up
Lmao
Last game I bought for 50€ was GTAV on PC
I usually never pay more than 20€ for a game I want, but that's rare since I prefer just buying a bundle at 10€ and less and just play pirated roms on my softmodded PS2 and PSP.
>Only buy 1, maybe 2 games at release per year
>Everything else I buy dirt cheap 3-6 months after release
Not much changes.