A 'Stellaris' reskin? Are you serious, commander? You mean to tell me after all these years, the federation, with all it's insidious moral platitudes and wealth of ill-begotten resources, has yet to create one singular 'decent' Star Trek video game? Not a one-? Why, even Dune recently got a decent porn game-
Oh. Oh my. You don't even have that, do you? A pity, but I'd be lying if I said I expected anything less.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
I FRICKED KIRA'S MOM
THAT IS ALL
Damn it Garak, I don't have time for your games! You need to tell me where that Dune porn game is now, the fate of the Federation is at stake.
IT'S REAAAALLLL!
Imagine all that kinky high on spice sex. aww yeah.
Based
Pic clearly unrelated.
it's a reaction image you fricking brainrotten newbie scum
Now how would a simple tailor know about a dune porn game?
>Now how would a simple tailor know about a dune porn game?
You'd be surprised what Klingon's talk about while mending a tear, here and there.
Oh come now Garak, I heard you musing on 'the quality of sand during the desert abduction scene' while we were at Quarks! Just give Sisko a hint, a little bit of truth after all the lies.
What's good my khan-singhi?
The truth is, Doctor... these threads are an elaborate holodeck program to find out what you know. The Federation needed to know if you were hiding any good Romulan games before we could trust you.
Section 31 in DS9 were great. Sloan showing up always guaranteed kino
He showed up somewhere else, too
I'm gonna be honest, I hate that S31 exists. Yes, I understand what the writers were going for, but like Bashir said, its very existence betrays everything the Federation stands for. We already have the occasional corrupt butthole admiral, did we really need a Space CIA?
Stay back! Stay back! Stay back, goddammit! I'm gonna kill him!
What is a "VO"?
voice over, baqtagh!
So Paradox wants players to pay extra for Klingon dialogue?
It's paradox.
paradox would set graphics setting behind a paywall if they could
This used to be the norm for stellaris species packs. Recently they retroactively added more content to them. I assume because paradox realised they were taking the piss.
>California class uniforms
Oh no...
(I don't care if that's a real Trek thing.)
Oh no...
If they're doing Lower Decks content then there better be a Badgey event.
deep space nine was pretty good
paradox are israelites and somethingawful games subforum rejects who don't deserve my money, though
Just say that they are Sw*des, it's basically the same thing in all but technicalities.
Why are Danes and Swedes so radically different when it comes to game development?
Danes live on completely flat ground so they have perspective. Swedes also live on flat ground but they have some large hills so they think they're hot shit. Norgies are the reverse but also bad.
Different levels of social cuckoldry.
The fact there isn't a star trek porn game is truly strange.
Feels like it's underrepresented IP in pornographic/fetish art in general, which is weird considering how autistic Trek fandom is and how zines about saucy Star Trek fanfiction were forerunners of NSFW fan creations in pre-Internet days.
There's also no good Star Wars porn games, which is quite weird.
I want a game where I can play Captain Jerk and get it on with alien b***hes, creating half humans everywhere.
I mean, it depends how low your standards are. There's a short one where Barclay rapes LaForge's holowaifu
>Barclay
Broccoli
that was my game
I should stick to 5 minute games
that's the limit of my attention span
otherwise i wouldn't be stuck in an unending dev hell
can't finish anything...
Only the token fan service women like Troi and Seven are worth porning anyway.
Anon...
What? I said token fan service and obviously boob window klingons apply.
Maybe it's because it's inherently a high minded / moral message, like church without the sexual oppression begging for subversion.
Okay but that other guy is right, Spock and Kirk are basically the founders of slash fics. Weird internet shipping started with TOS.
Speaking of Star Trek and weird Internet, I've always loved this dude who freaked about Nana Visitor's IRL pregnancy being written into DS9's plot, and tried a rally a campaign to retcon it in Usenet.
>this is what he considers the "most ridiculous thing" done in Star Trek
TNG had finished by then, the Crusher Family Rape Ghost had happened by then
Didn't hold the title long, either, considering Janeway and that other dude became lizards and fricked in Voyager.
WEGs are aggressively opposed to waifuhomosexualry, instead focusing entirely on short term/usual porn stuff. Doesn't fit Star Trek's moral identity, see?
Trekkies are just weird in a different kind of way.
i think Paramount were incredibly litigious towards any games, I remember a 3d porn artist getting a DMCA over his Klingon X Vulcan futa comic
Years ago on another ib, I remember someone making an RPG Maker porn game where you play as Barclay living out his fantasies on the holodeck and you would pay Quark for more sophisticated programs. I think it only had one sex scene and it wasn't with Troi.
man what alien woman there are that make people go horny in star trek
vulcans
Need a Vulcan Love Slave WEG, just like Quark's holo program
Ah yes, Anon. Come in for a moment and sit down. We need to talk about a certain power fluctuation that occurred within the station's main generator at 0900 hours this morning. I understand you've been experimenting with an 'A.I.' within your quarters, which is not a problem in itself. But upon investigating the power disturbance and tracing it back to your room, I had to investigate the source of your immense power consumption. Your logs, Anon, these 'generations' you've made with this A.I.... I've noticed a great many... 'prompts' that may intrigue Star Fleet High Command.
Could you tell me exactly why a picture of 'Miles Tails Prower' from your earthling franchise 'Sonic the Hedgehog' is sitting on a bench, and why it seems to be of interest to you? You certainly seem to have... knowledge of something rather unpleasant, perhaps you'll share it with me? Unless, of course, you'd rather explain yourself to Captain Sisko?
Would you frick Odo shapeshifted into rogue the bat?
No but I would that female changeling cause she gave off some serious dominatrix vibes
FRICK YOU HOUSE
#FREEBEGAS
My god... non-government regulated sex. You have lost the right to be exploited and commit war crimes for us with no reward.
Which has the worst first 2 seasons: Deep Space Nine or Enterprise?
Has to be enterprise, ds9 is good early, less so later.
IDK, I haven't watched DS9 in a long time. I probably won't either since there will never ever be an HD remaster.
Ds9 was unique for a star trek show where the later seasons were the shit ones. First seasons of ds9 were good.
Enterprise was fricking terrible early on.
They're both gigakino.
TKN (TaroK Nor)>ENT>TNG>TOS>VOY (nu-trek doesn't exist)
DS9 starts slow but the Bajoran transition from ragtag terrorists to legitimate government is kino. Little details like the Bajoran militia using Cardassian weapons since they haven't set up their own industry yet are really great.
First two ENT seasons are also fantastic. Archer pissing off the Vulcans every other episode is kino. Shran is possibly the greatest trek character. He's certainly top 5 anyway.
DS9 has the best first 2 seasons outside of TOS, and they're only knocked because muh war arcs. Meanwhile Enterprise was just a rehash of a rehash of a rehash until they did their 9/11 Jack Bauer arc in season 3.
I am fine with DS9 season 1 and 2. They aren't really that bad, especially compared most other treks
TNG
I can't stand the first season on rewatches and even the second one is hard to sit through
Oh come on, TNG s1 has....2 good episodes.
TNG,
Both DS9 and Enterprise were kino
There is nothing wrong with DS9 season 2. Season 1 has a lot of bad episodes where it felt like theyre still trying to be TNG I can agree. But not all of them were terrible.
DS9 has Duet
DS9 had a really strong start, the first two seasons were great. Season 1 had Duet for frick's sake. It's the last season where DS9 floundered. What a fricking shitshow. The prophets were a mistake. Dax should have stayed dead. And I can't believe Avery Brooks had to point out the optics of the black lead abandoning his family at the end of the series to the fricking writers. Those people were huffing paint I swear.
>Dax should have stayed dead
Ezri was at least better and cuter than that smug knowitall prostitute Jadzia, come on.
I disagree. Jadzia was a great character, especially after Worf got shoehorned into the show. She balanced him, and reminded both him and the audience of how fun and based the Klingons can be. Worf is too much of a stick in the mud to be the lone Klingon, why do you think his best stories in TNG were those with other Klingons involved?
But forget personal opinions for a moment. You're still burning up a lot of airtime putting in the work to reestablish the character. Airtime that could have been better spent on stories more interesting than fleshing out the quirky awkward archetype and giving Worf's sloppy seconds to the doctor that's been thirsting for Trill pussy the entire series.
>especially after Worf got shoehorned into the show
I don't care if it was to boost the popularity of the show or whatever, but Worf was an insanely good addition to DS9. They actually fleshed out the character instead of it being "muh honor" and getting tossed around by the monster of the week.
Him and O'Brien got such good characterization in DS9 that sometimes its hard to go back to TNG.
>I don't care if it was to boost the popularity of the show or whatever, but Worf was an insanely good addition to DS9. They actually fleshed out the character instead of it being "muh honor" and getting tossed around by the monster of the week.
Couldn't agree me, and Jadzia helped bring a lot of that about. She was a good partner for him which is why I disagree with the hate she gets from some.
O'Brien is probably one of the best characters in the whole franchise thanks to what he got in DS9.
You forgot about them turning Dukat into a cartoon satanic space Hitler
That's mostly due to the prophets again. Bajoran stuff can be neat, but the wormhole aliens got way too much importance.Being almost literal gods gets in the way of things and ruins most stakes anyway.
Shit got silly
>only budget concerns kept them from having them flying around the Promenade having a running battle with explosions everywhere
I don't know if you're joking or not
In the first few drafts of the script, Kira is possessed by the Prophet and Winn by the Pah-wraith, and their battle aboard Deep Space 9 was far more elaborate than that seen in the finished episode. Weddle and Thompson wrote them as having a running battle all over the station, throwing fireballs at one another and completely destroying the Promenade. The whole idea, however, became far too complicated from a logistical point of view, and René Echevarria was brought on board by Ira Behr to try to smooth things out and simplify the script without losing the essence of the plot. Apparently, when Steve Oster first saw Thompson and Weddle's draft he responded by proclaiming that it would be a fifteen-day shoot (a normal DS9 shoot is 6 days). (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Reckoning_(episode)
What the hell
They really fricking dropped the ball with this plotline. It's like they forgot why they even started it in the first place
>An extremely interesting dynamic of an atheistic outsider becoming the idol of the entire race
>Warily accepts it because it plays favorably for getting Bajor in to the federation
>The conflict that comes from balancing his starfleet duties and his duties as the prophet
into
>Whoops he's LITERALLY Space Jesus, we set up everything so that he was even born.
>Frick the federation I'm totally bajor now I'll sacrifice DS9, my son, and anyone who gets in my way.
Didn't forget, just felt like being quick and succinct with my criticisms. Also that transformation started in the season prior. What a bullshit episode that was.
>Dukat had his entire plan unraveled, lost DS9 to the Federation again
>lost his daughter too, a daughter he loved so much he gave up his status and position within Cardassian society to take care of and do right by
>it's so obvious he's going unhinged
>candidly lays out the responsibilities thrusted upon him back when he was Bajor's prefect
>his story is even corroborated by earlier episodes showing glimpses of his reign as prefect
>his ramblings hinted guilt and his behavior telegraphed a total mental breakdown settling in which would happen to just about anyone in his position
>when the episode's done Sisko just remarks how he's seen true evil for the first time in his life
>Dukat becomes space hitler/satan from that point on
I'm still mad. The show was so good at grey morality and ambiguity, hell Star Trek as a franchise up to that point excelled at representing multiple sides of any given conflict, showing that even your enemies had relatable or even noble goals that we could find common ground on... and then the DS9 writers chose to make Dukat a mustache twirling c**t because they were salty that too many people liked him and no one bought into their shitty holocaust allegory that doesn't stand up under scrutiny because 15m deaths over a span of 50 years on an entire fricking planet of 1b+ people is not even approaching an organized genocide. Honestly, one of the biggest limitations of ST writers over the years is their inability to fully wrap their minds around the sheer scale of the setting or the implications of the technology.
I agree that Dukat shouldn't have turned full on anti-christ, I dont find him to be "morally grey". He was firmly lawful evil.
Sure he may have tried to make Bajorans' life easier under him than most other prefects, but that doesn't excuse the Bajoran occupation in the first place. I don't think any of his good deeds had good intentions either, he had some kind of savior complex and he was just feeding it.
>Sure he may have tried to make Bajorans' life easier under him than most other prefects, but that doesn't excuse the Bajoran occupation in the first place.
How is that Dukat's fault, though? He was taking orders from the central command. He had a position of responsibility, sure, but he used that position to try and do better, savior complex or not. And it turned into a mess because he wasn't prepared for the ensuing fallout and ultimately fell back into a lot of the methods of his predecessors. The occupation was going to continue whether he approved of it or not... at least until it was finally over, anyways.
>Dukat was pretty well established to just be covering himself for his sins as both an escape from punishment and also for his own psyche.
We've seen events taking place during the occupation where he's generally tried to rule with a softer hand, although his reasons were admittedly dubious. Still, the part about his psyche was an interesting angle and was kinda what I was getting at. He had hallucinations of Kira and others calling him out, which reads like a manifestation of guilt. Instead, we got "pure evil."
Are you sure you're not thinking of Damar? Because Dukat has given the same spiel to Weyoun as he did to everyone else.
No, the show is pretty clear that the Central Command ended the Occupation under political pressure from the Detapa Council and lack of public support for the growing bodycount. It's the only way to make sense of why the Cardassian military, with Dukat heading up multiple plots himself, keeps trying over and over again to find an excuse to reinvade Bajor.
Even to the point Dukat negotiates an alliance with the Dominion, gets upset when they refuse to touch Bajor because of a treaty but still smugly believes he'll one day retake the planet. Because he was never in charge as Prefect. He took his orders to back off and then took the order to retreat, when he firmly believed he could do better with more violence.
>No, the show is pretty clear that the Central Command ended the Occupation under political pressure from the Detapa Council and lack of public support for the growing bodycount. It's the only way to make sense of why the Cardassian military, with Dukat heading up multiple plots himself, keeps trying over and over again to find an excuse to reinvade Bajor.
How on earth does this contradict anything I've said, let alone imply that Dukat ONLY followed orders and never made policy? Central Command didn't give a single shit about the conditions for Bajoran workers and I don't think the Detapa Council did, either.
>Even to the point Dukat negotiates an alliance with the Dominion, gets upset when they refuse to touch Bajor because of a treaty but still smugly believes he'll one day retake the planet. Because he was never in charge as Prefect.
How does that make any sense? He was obsessed with Bajor because he viewed it as a failed project. You don't get that mindset if you're just taking orders. As prefect, he was governing the whole planet, because his superiors didn't have the time to do it themselves. That gave his position a degree of freedom and responsibility... as long as the books all checked out.
This is all very simple stuff. The Cardassians had been on Bajor for 50 years. By the end of it the Resistance was connected to basically every living Bajoran on the planet. Holding Bajor cost the Cardassians soldiers. They could either throw more soldiers at Bajor and turn it into open warfare or they could try to ease off on the atrocities in the hopes the Bajorans would also calm down. They didn't. It quickly became apparent the only way to stop the constant flow of dead Cardassians was to leave, the cost in lives had outweighed the minerals they were stealing from the planet.
Dukat was upset with this because he had no real power. He thought he could fix it but he was told no. He took it as a personal insult that he was not only kept out of truly running the place but also that he was forced to oversee the humiliating retreat from a bunch of backward millitia hiding in the hills.
The Central Command and Dukat wanted to wipe clean this stain on their honour.
I liked how Dukat saw himself as compassionate but like most military leaders he was completely full of shit. But I don't like him deciding to make a deal with the literal devil because on some level he should see himself as the good guy.
Dukat wanted a fricking statue on Bajor for all of his, and I quote, "good deeds" on Bajor and Terok Nor.
>Dukat wanted a fricking statue on Bajor for all of his, and I quote, "good deeds" on Bajor and Terok Nor.
Just because the Cardassians were dicks doesn't mean their rule didn't benefit all of Bajor.
>By the end of it the Resistance was connected to basically every living Bajoran on the planet.
I'm not sure this is actually true. There was definitely a large amount of Resistance cells, but there were also many collaborators and many more bystanders just trying to get by. Furthermore, the central command didn't care much about the loss of life--their own soldiers probably didn't suffer that many casualties due to the disparity in equipment and tactics. Even the most hardlined Cardassians don't throw out their own numbers to try and play victim, so I can't imagine the casualties on their end was significant.
>Dukat was upset with this because he had no real power.
He had plenty while he was prefect. The Central Command didn't care what he did as long as he met quotas. You don't get that kind of investment in a position if you have no real power. If he were just filling a seat and following orders, then he'd have moved on to the very next gig without caring. It's the fact that he cared about Bajor's fate at all that tells he did in fact have influence in position.
Dukat was looked upon with such disfavor that his own "gas the Bajoran workers" program was secretly edited to kill HIM in the apparently likely event he tried to abandon the station in the event of a total slave revolt. He was a Gul, not a Legate. Prefect of Bajor was not a lofty position. He was an overseer to a mining operation.
You're also side stepping the simple truth that the Occupation DID end. The Cardassians DID retreat. And by the way they constantly try to engineer their return in force, it DID offend them to be made to leave.
>Dukat was looked upon with such disfavor that his own "gas the Bajoran workers" program was secretly edited to kill HIM in the apparently likely event he tried to abandon the station in the event of a total slave revolt.
The only thing that's evidence of is that at least one person within Terok Nor hated Dukat. That his smug nature tends to piss off people around him is no secret.
>He was a Gul, not a Legate. Prefect of Bajor was not a lofty position. He was an overseer to a mining operation.
Just speaks to how they viewed colonized worlds. Prefect of Bajor was not lofty in the Cardassian military... but it was certainly a lofty position on Bajor itself, given he was literally governing the planet. What do you think "prefect" means in this context? Your whole argument is even undercut by how much responsibility the show itself puts on Dukat's shoulders for his position.
>You're also side stepping the simple truth that the Occupation DID end. The Cardassians DID retreat. And by the way they constantly try to engineer their return in force, it DID offend them to be made to leave.
It's an irrelevant truth, because the topic boils down to whether or not Dukat was set up to be truly evil from the beginning or if his turn to space hitler was sudden and grossly inappropriate.
But maybe I should break it down for you. As prefect, Dukat had the authority to dictate policy on Bajor... as long as quotas were met. He did not have the authority to lessen quotas, nor did he have the authority to refuse when his superiors decided to pull out of Bajor. None of that is contradictory.
Every single Cardassian plots to frick over another Cardassian. There isn't a single Cardassian interaction in the show where that doesn't happen (Aside from Garak and Ziyal, and even then Garak took the opportunity to frick Dukat over using her several times).
Dukat was an ass with delusion on grandeur. In the same way the Brits felt they were respectful of anyone they colonized while working them to death.
Dukat is supposed to be charismatic. You're supposed to think he might not be a bad guy. Hell, he might even do the right thing sometimes. But that doesn't mean he is actually a good person in a bad situation. For frick's sake he was going to murder his bastard (The Cardassians were biiiiig on family, right? Honor and all that shit, four generations at the table), which is the only reason he went to that hell-hole planet with Kira in the first place.
And this was all before he became mega-satan/hitler.
>Dukat is supposed to be charismatic. You're supposed to think he might not be a bad guy. Hell, he might even do the right thing sometimes. But that doesn't mean he is actually a good person in a bad situation.
No, it means he was a potentially good person molded into a monster by a heartless system.
>For frick's sake he was going to murder his bastard (The Cardassians were biiiiig on family, right? Honor and all that shit, four generations at the table), which is the only reason he went to that hell-hole planet with Kira in the first place.
And he couldn't go through with it. Instead, he took her back to the homeworld and destroyed his entire standing in society to give her a better life. Almost like it loops back to the very first line in your post
>Every single Cardassian plots to frick over another Cardassian.
A culture problem. Cardassian culture dictates he cover his ass even if it means murder, but when it came down to it he couldn't kill his daughter and when someone else did it destroyed him.
Glimpses back into his tenure as prefect suggest that there is some truth to his words so you can't actually say I'm objectively wrong.
Look, just because you fell for his scam doesn't mean you're dumb. It just means he was written well. He was going to murder his daughter if Kira didn't stop him. She literally had to hold him back and convince him over the tenure of several days.
On top of that he had a bastard and took a mistress in the first place. Again, this is all before the writers made him megasatan. He never cared about the Bajorans. He never cared about his family. He cared about himself and how he was perceived. For frick's sake he was even lying about the burying of the Cardassian dead so he could look through the corpses to confirm the death of his mistress/bastard.
>He cared about himself and how he was perceived.
If that were the only thing he cared about, then why did he compromise his standing in Cardassian society for the sake of his bastard daughter? They make it pretty clear that Cardassia frowns upon adultery and bastard children. Especially when it's breeding with an occupied race.
I didn't "fall" for anything, I'm merely advocating for Dukat's... humanity, for lack of a better word. He had the potential to be good and do good things, to behave selflessly, and occasionally that came out. He was not a very good person for the most part, but he was still "human" and his sudden change to mustache twirling space hitler was asinine.
Anon, Dukat is lying through his teeth every time he says he did good.
That's it. That's the whole argument. I don't believe Dukat, you do. And you're wrong.
The spoonhead built in a nerve gas agent that would have killed the Bajoran women and children if the workers revolted. He then went further and built a self-destruct system if that didn't work, which would have killed all of the Cardassians onboard as well if they didn't get in control of the station.
Clearly he was just "taking orders." I mean, we've never heard "just following orders" used by military men before when they were accused of and doing heinous shit, right?
He was under broad orders to meet quotas for the central command and given leeway to execute them in any way he saw fit as long as those quotas were met. There's a timeline established, he started with a softer hand and gradually fell into the same brutality as his predecessors.
It's a tale of a system that made monsters of its cogs, and that's much more compelling than Dukat being a mustache twirler.
Yes, I like the political stuff like this where it's about the system in general instead of pointing fingers at real people.
and the bajorans made a plague that kills everyone and just left it in the station without telling anyone
Dukat was pretty well established to just be covering himself for his sins as both an escape from punishment and also for his own psyche. The less we talk about the end of DS9 the better though, I'll agree there.
>candidly lays out the responsibilities thrusted upon him back when he was Bajor's prefect
The only time he ever tells the truth about his role in the Occupation is when he's telling Weyoun about how he only ever followed orders, he never made policy
>Dukat goes into a cave to read a book
>in the time it takes him to read a book Sisco flies to the Cardassian border, fights an entire battle, flies to Cardassia, pours some ale on the ground, picks up the founder, flies her all the way back to DS9, drafts and signs a cease fire, handles multiple personnel transfers, attends an end of the war party, flies to Bajor, finds an beams down to a random cave on the planet.
>Dukat uses this book power to achieve super cardassian 2 and cast fireball at a woman before comically falling into a pit of fire
I fricking hate that ending so much.
DS9 early seasons has charm, but holy shit there are some characters that are severly lacking any importance like Jadzia or Bashir. Enterprise is a slowburn, but I really enjoyed season 2. So I guess I would pick DS9.
What were they thinking with Bashir. He's just a useless naive smug c**t for so long.
Bashir before the retcon represented the wide-eyed idealist core worlds human, the type that grew up in paradise and didn't know any hardship beyond their Academy tests, and think they can just waltz into a border outpost station and lecture the natives on how to build a utopia. But even after the retcon he is still mostly the show's idealist character, which is why him out-gambiting Sloan and giving the cure to the Founders is a bigger deal when it came to ending the war than actually defeating them militarily. Jadzia was the "TNG" character, also idealist, but more experienced and wiser, acting as a voice of reason to the rest of the cast. It's also why as Bashir developed as a character, they had a hard time keeping the two from stepping on each others' toes in terms of what they brought to the narrative, leading to Jadzia having less importance beyond being Worf's waifu.
DS9 at least had Duet in season 2. I also don't think DS9 had any truly terrible episodes in its first few seasons, a claim Enterprise cannot make.
>I also don't think DS9 had any truly terrible episodes in its first few seasons
"Move Along Home", the one where they play space hopscotch, is famously awful.
Move along home is fine. Stop overreacting.
Enterprise by a fricking mile. The first 2 seasons of DS9 are fine.
DS9 was kino the whole way through. I don't get why people try to hate on its early seasons at all.
DS9 is a fantastic series but it suffers the same curse as all Treks in that it takes like 2 seasons to find its feet.
I think it is the only one not to suffer from that curse. The early seasons are very comfy and are a nice contrast to the war arcs.
Nah, Julian takes like 2 seasons to stop being just a horny idiot, Sisko doesn't quite know what he's doing until he goes bald, Jake and Nog are just bullshit B plot stuff until they start to grow up, etc. I don't hate the early seasons of DS9 but it definitely still has to come into its own.
I do think DS9 gets better over time, but I liked Bashir from the beginning. Sisko's arc in the early seasons is about finding purpose again in protecting Bajor.
Bashir isn't bad but it takes some time for him to find himself.
Is the dabo girl's top smaller than normal?
>I think it is the only one not to suffer from that curse.
No? TOS s1 is BY FAR the best season of TOS. Even though s2 is still pretty damn good it's a giant drop in quality from 1.
I thought it was implied TOS was not included.
Then why is discovery still fricking trash
It attempted to destroy what Star Trek is, and succeeded. And all other Kurtzman stuff. In the name of nihilism, essentially.
Picard is fricking batshit but season 3 isn't entirely awful
It's one of the worst things that I have ever seen in my life.
that tells me you haven't really seen much in your short little sheltered life
I haven't watched even the second. I'm sure you understand why someone wouldn't.
The second one is godawful too because they spend like 2/3 of it, or even more, in the present crying about racist cops and whatever the burger border service is called. It's genuinely so fricking horrible that you can watch half of the first episode and half of the last one and you won't be missing shit.
The third one was honestly at least OK, had to come up with some moronic reason why the grandpa generation had to get together, but at the very least it pretty much firmly establishes that this is the last fricking season of this shit.
It found its feet. However, they are the broken feed of a malnourished Ethiopian Black person. What a fricking shitshow.
Posting just because I found it funny.
All the reboot shows are godawful, and it goes to show that it's not just the cast either because PIC is arguably even worse than DIS. Even SNW, which is supposedly the best of the three, has a massive quality drop after the first season, and the first season only had one episode that was good and that was because it was actually a rewritten TOS episode.
Just start with a little bit of TOS. I would just get recommendations of episode rather than watch it all through. There are a lot of bad. Some I can think of off the top of my head are:
>The Cage (alternatively, the retooled version where it's a flashback
>Doomsday Machine
>Nazi planet
>anything with Mark Lenard, Klingons, Romulans, time travel, and Harry Mudd
>the one with Khan
>the one about the overpopulated planet
>that other one about the virtual wars
>The Arena (it's really bad but the Gorn fight is TOS' most famous scene.
You can also watch the TOS movies, but only the even numbered ones. There's also a fan series called Continues that is an excellent continuation. It's very good and has quite a few Star Trek actors in various roles, but you would have to watch all the episodes that are referenced. Watch this when you have enough of TOS.
TNG you could just avoid the entire first season, it's that bad. I guess you can watch the first and final episode so you are introduced to the cast, Q, and Tasha Yarr, but it's a terrible season. Rest of TNG is fantastic and from TNG to DS9 should be watched in order. Avoid the TNG movies. I don't like Voyager, but some people swear by it. Most of ENT is pretty bad, but it does get better by the last season. Avoid reboots, but you are allowed to watch Star Trek 2009. Galaxy Quest is also informally considered a Star Trek movie.
Why no "Mirror Mirror" it's actually the best mirrorverse episode
Because I forgot whether Mirror Mirror was TOS or ENT and didn't wanna look it up, but now I remember ENT was In the Mirror Darkly.
If you liked Mirror Mirror, you'll like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIthtlkNZY. I'd watch the other two episodes first just to get a sense of the series and actors, but it's a really good continuation of that episode.
Yeah, the Menagerie is what the episode is called I think. I would watch that over the Cage. Corbomite Maneuver is pure camp the further it goes on, but it starts off strong. I'd say the Deadly Years is a far better example of Kirk's bluffing.
You should only really watch TOS if you actually like camp in the first place.
The menagerie is an improvement over the Cage. Good list though. I would add the Corbomite Maneuver.
I quite like Voyager but I get a lot of people's frustrations with it. It had a lot of potential that went unrealized, and that series finale was just terrible. I get they had to tie things up on short notice but man, that was not the way to do it.
BUT
It also has some genuinely excellent episodes that I, and many people, believe belong right alongside the greatest episodes of Trek. And the rest of the series is still plenty entertaining, even if it doesn't quite fulfill the promise the story premise sets up.
I'll give Voyager another shot one of these days, but I may just watch the well-received episodes rather than get invested in it like TNG and TOS.
True, but some types of camp are better than others. I also don't like Clint Howard, the little c**t.
Season 2 of the Orville is the only good season. 3 has some so-so episodes and then gets way too preachy.
That's a good idea, they're definitely worth watching.
The thing that pisses me off about Voyager more then Janeway switching between being a moron and a psycho is how they always hit the fricking reset button every fricking episode. The end almost every episode low on supplies and half the crew died but it doesn't matter because everything is fine next eps.
That's just standard for Trek, yeah I agree it would have been better to have more continuity but they were just following format.
>That's just standard for Trek,
Yeah, but it doesn't make sense for Voyager when the whole premise is that the ship is stranded 70K light years from earth with no supplies and no way to restock them. 90% of the episodes of the show either ends with the ship extremely damaged with no way to really repair it or whatever supply issue they were dealing with not being solved.
Hey man I agree, I said so in that post. You're preaching to the choir.
I can forgive it if almost ever other episode didn't end with the ship barely functional but the shit happens so much that it just becomes moron
>the episode where the doctor ends up impressing the civilization of hyper space-autists with his singing and dumps the crew for his shot in the spotlight
>all the Barclay episodes
>the Romulan episode they managed to squeeze in
still hate the B'ellana episode where she fricks up the good doctor's family just because she's butthurt over him being happy...... so many good episodes tho gd
My problem with Voyager is that most of the cast are unlikable or boring. A few standout episodes about the Doctor or 7 of 9 couldn't save it for me. Especially after watching DS9 which had a much better written cast.
That was funny as hell anon
>You can also watch the TOS movies, but only the even numbered ones.
SEARCH FOR SPOCK IS A GOOD MOVIE AND I'M TIRED OF PRETENDING IT'S NOT. It just had the unfortunate fate of being sandwiched between the 2 best TOS movies.
>SEARCH FOR SPOCK
It's the one people say is decent with some issues , but yeah coming right after Kahn hurts it pretty bad
Not just right after Khan, but right before Voyage Home, and Voyage Home is fun as frick. Even people who aren't big into Star Trek love that movie, it was a comedy classic when no one thought ST could produce one
It was probably my least favorite out of the six. Five my have been batshit, but its jank was far more interesting than Three's mundanity. For all the significant events that happen, the whole thing felt like filler.
DS9 s1 and 2 had a couple good episodes like Duet. The main problem with early DS9 is because the writers were still in TNG mode so they didn't understand how star trek could work if you don't go see new aliens ever week.
You have to admit, a /weg/ would write itself.
>pic related almost never actually gets the girl in the show
>when he does, it's usually on the tragic side
But he does frick b***hes, and lots of them. Although a /weg/ Star Trek game would like just be Rance in space.
It's implied he has in the past, like Court Martial, or the Turnabout Intruder. Occasionally he does (like the injun girl), but typically he's turning on the charm to overcome another fricking godlike alien or whathaveyou and doesn't actually close the deal. And then there's the crazy b***h he falls in love with and walks away from because his love for the Enterprise and command is stronger. But otherwise, not a lot is coming to mind.
>but typically he's turning on the charm to overcome another fricking godlike alien or whathaveyou and doesn't actually close the deal
I get that, Kirk is an intelligent man who can work his charisma to overcome obstacles. To translate that into a /weg/, he'd definitely have to actually go through with fricking them all. It's not entirely unbelievable that he wouldn't frick them all if given the chance though, is the point. Have to admit though, a genderswapped Spock paired with Kirk's horny adventures would print money.
But that's also the coomer in me talking, and would negatively diminish the friendship and male camaraderie between the two characters, the chemistry also wouldn't be the same. But imagine you're a chad Starfleet Captain and you get to explore foreign galaxies, meeting every shade of humanoid alien babe, that may or may not be compatible with human sperm. And your second-in-command is a female Vulcan who gets upset with your nonstop illogical romps with alien pussy, until you convince her of the logic behind it all. And then she autistically assists you in your endeavors.
It's just weird, what with all the trainer porn games, that there isn't any decent one for Star Trek.
I mean, I like the cut of your jib. Why not just make it the eponymous Vulcan Love Slave holo adventure we keep getting teased with in DS9?
Well it'd probably be easier for someone to make a 'Quark's Holosuite Simulator' where you come up with various fetishes and scenarios for customers to enjoy.
I mean, if you ask me, modern Star Trek has been on the decline since the mid-2000s. Just look at the media to have come out of franchise in the last fifteen years and compare them to the works of Villeneuve, or Kojima, or Brooker. Modern Trek writers have become obsessed with writing Trek knockoffs of more popular works while ignoring completely our own unique universe and material in hopes of-
Anon, are you listening to me?
>Modern Trek writers have become obsessed with writing Trek knockoffs of more popular works while ignoring completely our own unique universe and material
I don't care that you're shitposting, I wanna talk about this point. The problem with modern Trek writers if they have no one enforcing a series bible and keeping them in line. If you go back as far as the original series you'll find stories of the writers, some of the best writers the franchise ever had, even, feuding with producers--Roddenberry and later Berman most notably--oftentimes because the writers don't subscribe to the greater vision of Star Trek. And that's a phenomenon that's repeated with TNG, DS9, Voyager... every single Star Trek series. Most writers just don't like the utopian vision. Modern Trek is what happens when those writers are allowed to frick it up as much as they want.
Conversely, the writers and producers going at odds with each other has produced some of the very best Star Trek stories ever written. Never underestimate a good tard wrangler, or the value of limitations and pushing those limitations.
>oftentimes because the writers don't subscribe to the greater vision of Star Trek
Tbf Roddenberry isn't even responsible for that, the hopeful shining future that is Trek is the creation of Gene Coon
>No Cardassian trainer game about breaking all sorts of female alien races with impregnation mechanics
Cardassia Prime has fallen, the blood of billions of Bajorians must be spilled.
You went out like a b***h Duckcat
Oh my daughter! Oh my Dukat!
I'll never get over how they ruined Gul Dukat because the writers were kvetching over fans actually liking him.
You could tell they really, REALLY wanted to make it a nazi and israelites kind-of thing when it's just generic natives vs conquerors thing.
It's Soviets in Afghanistan you pleb
They're a little bit of everything. Some native americans in there too.
But you could tell they really wanted to make it into nazis.
Whatever it was, it was shit because the Bajorans were unironically massive c**ts and their writing consistently made me hate them for how entitled they acted all the time. Unironically felt like how Israel acts IRL.
How were they c**ts? Does a people not have the right to their sovereign soil without the dominion of a foreign power?
They have that right. But they constantly had a chip on their shoulder and were acting like c**ts to the federation, despite the federation being the only thing keeping them from getting fricked over by the Cardassians
And the Federation is only there because they want Bajor to join them
Yes. And there is no downside to Bajor joining the federation. Bajorans though like to screech about their stupid mary sue prophets and how they shouldnt join the one thing that would protect them from Cardassian war mongers.
>Their superstitions and their cries for sympathy, their treachery and their lies, their smug superiority and their stiff-necked obstinacy, their earrings, and their broken, wrinkled noses!
They wanted to keep their own unique culture. Which would have been explored more but it was bordering on revealing that the Federations hug erodes native culture, and the Federation needs to be the good guys in Star Trek.
The root beer analogy is the best way to explain the Federation
It’s insidious, isn’t it?
they point out that all armed forces has to get absorbed into starfleet which probably means going through their bullshit cadet shit.
But not only that because starfleet is NOT the federation, but the armed force of it. Which means that outside of starfleet this planet would not be able to keep a civilian or administrative security force.
It's deliberately vague but you also have to subscribe to Federation Law, which trumps your religion and cultural if they don't interact. Like when Worf attempted to euthanize his brother.
oh yeah, that too. What even are the benefits of joining the federation? Does the federation withhold support?
Easier trade
mutual defense and support, ie, cardies messing with bajor would mean the federation getting involved
>Oh you want to keep your culture intact and not give up your own standing army.
>Well we're the good guys, but we wont really do anything
>By the way have you met our other non-member pal, the klingons?
Honestly i wonder how many non-federation planets the klingons were murdering while the accords held. You don't exactly uphold a warrior culture for several generations with border patrols. Really makes me want a story about those poor planets not able to get in contact with the federation or hell those that are on the other side of the empire and considered "good hunting" material.
The Klingon Empire expands significantly into the Beta Quadrant, away from the Federation. There's already plenty of slave species in their own territory to mess around with and all the Klingon autism about being "at peace too long" is just getting pissy they haven't had a war worth the "glory" in a generation and the kids want to live up to their daddy's expectations.
I can see why the romulans and cardassians where so concern about the federation.
The original plan for TNG was the Romulans playing Neutral Zone Standoff with the Federation because on the other side of their territory they were being invaded by the Borg and barely holding them off. Their technology was years ahead but they were losing.
The Romulans, Klingons and Federation are supposed to be able equal in strength regardless of the size of each empire. Therefore it's in the best interest for none of them to start wars with each other because it'll immediately result in the third joining in and it becoming a 2v1. Basically a galactic mexican standoff.
According to this map Federation is smaller than Capellan Confederation
Sci-fi scale is always a crapshoot. I always assumed Startrek's known space was far in excess of the Inner Sphere, but with far less density of relevant planets.
>Draconis Combine
Please tell me they aren't South African or Boers.
the combine is space japan
Star Trek has always been relatively small scale
Bajor being right next door to Cardassia always struck me as odd.
Cardassia doesn't make a lick of sense. At first they're depicted as a second rate power. Having to compete 3 to 1 to stay toe to toe with the federation but later they're massively powered up. Their area of control is also way out of proportion since they're meant to be one of those regional powers.
>later they're massively powered up
You mean after the Dominion props them up and they turn all their economy towards shitting out ships for the inevitable war with the other major powers?
No before that. Somewhere around season 2-3 they get a powerup.
Not really? They lose, badly, to the Klingons at the start of season 4.
The Federation doesn't want to go to war with them, which is the entirety of their threat TO the Federation, their opponents could crush them completely but they don't have the stomach for it and don't want to leave themselves open on other fronts. The Cardassians know they can start shit if they want to but the Federation will end it, like they did the first time.
How do the Klingons go to wage war with the Cardassians if they had to go through Federation space?
The same way the Klingons and the Cardassians had a decade long war over a nebula in Federation space
Not giving a shit what the Federation thinks
lol, the Romulans have every right to be shit scared of the Federation.
>klingons sign accords with the federation
>klingons do their warrior stuff against planets that aren't in the federation
damn you really showed me
I have to believe that the Klingons aren't actually bad rulers. They would have to give a lot of autonomy and would therefore arguably better to for the ruling elites trying to subjugate their own peoples with excuses like "the Federation would want to destroy our values and culture, so your tithes to me and to the Klingon are worth it, else they'll take away our larva sodomy!"
To me a lot of the time klingons came of as willing to genocide. Remember they have no qualms about killing civvies when their bloodlust gets high enough and they actively kill the wounded. Klingons deffinitely practice lebensraum.
Romulan lies. Klingons do not commit genocide. They give enemies honorable deaths. No orbital bombardment, just stab wounds.
Worf tells the crew that once Cardassia is invaded they'll install a Klingon Governor as overseer who will basically mass murder the population until they stop resisting the occupation
Your citizens every need is taken care of and your planets get the protection of Starfleet.
>Your citizens every need is taken care of
That's not true though. All planets in the Federation are not the equal of Earth, the Federation doesn't roll up and magically fix every single problem as a sign on bonus.
free access to Federation tech, which bumps your people straight into post-scarcity.
>sto is okay for playing through the story and shooting space lasers then quitting because the lootboxes are shit
If only, man. I was playing through the story recently and dropped the game because of broken quests that haven't been fixed for YEARS. Here's two of the more annoying ones.
The Vault WAS (apparently it was fixed yesterday) broken at the point where you have to fight off the enemy ship with an AI helper. Just won't progress after the enemy ship is defeated, so you're forced to drop it and move onto the next mission.
Sphere of Influence has a painful bug where the memory game just doesn't load the visuals. Either you get lucky brute forcing it like I did, or you have to skip it.
Also, the fact that it costs more than $100USD to get a T6 Connie. Frick that.
>free access to Federation tech, which bumps your people straight into post-scarcity.
Not overnight. The way I understood Picard they would help you reach that point quicker then if you'd try doing it by yourself, but they won't just gift you replicators and Warp 9 cores simply by joining.
They gave Bajor industrial replicators before they were even in the federation
>Bajor
Cardassia
Both got them. Kira complained that Cardassia got like 12 while Bajor only got 2.
LOCUTS
>day after day they clustered in their temples and prayed for deliverance and night after night they planted bombs outside of our homes.
>Pride… stubborn, unyielding pride.
>From the servant girl that cleaned my quarters, to the condemned man toiling in a labor camp, to the terrorist skulking through the hills of Dahkur Province… they all wore their pride like some… twisted badge of honor
Hey remember (one of a dozen episodes) where bajorans tried to murder a ton of federation and civilians for no reason? Yeah....
Hey remember that time a dipshit bajoran tried to murder millions by setting off a chemical bomb at warpspeed?
Remember that time the entire civilization reverted to a stringent, biased caste system in a day's time because one guy with a funny earring said they should, which should have immediately torpedoed their prospects of joining the Federation at all?
>dipshit bajoran tried to murder millions by setting off a chemical bomb
That was a (ex) federation human officer.
>federation human officer
hmm yes very human
>next episode is about a bajoran trying to frame odo for murder
>one after that is a bajoran bioweapon getting loose on the station with the doctor who made it refusing to help until the crew kidnaps him to infect him and force him to help
>later on the bajorans bomb a school
Oh, I thought it was the Marquis that did it? Been too long since I watched it I guess.
season 1 of DS9 has like 7 episodes of the bajorans being c**ts back to back
Cool it with the anti semitism, Dukat
You know what the funniest part of the whole Bajoran thing was? The guy who came up with them in TNG was israeli, and the Bajorans were explicitly meant to be Palestinians with the Cardassians being Israelis, because apparently the guy was an anti-Zionist israelite.
Then once DS9 started and he wasn't writing for it, they reversed everything
>Ruined
I've never understood this. Dukat is the best character from beginning to end and the best Star Trek big bad. The only complaint I have is that he dies by getting pushed off a cliff shoved 5 minutes into the end of the final episode. Total disrepct.
>Dukat is the best character from beginning to end
>to end
Did we watch the same show?
DALL-E is one step closer to Barclay's dream.
Notice how there's no LD trannies shitting up the thread.
>implying Trek & Morty gays actually watch enough real Trek to participate
They're all on Ganker, and they're awful.
Tbh I prefer the smaller nature of the game to stellaris
i love cream api
Let's make a deal, Doctor: I'll spare you the 'Piracy is not theft'-speech and you spare me the 'It kills the studios'-speech. You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this subject, so I suggest we stop discussing it
So I started watching DS9. I haven't seen any Cardassian Warcrimes, but my friend they are the bad guys. What gives?
you're literally watching bajoran propaganda 9, you will have plenty of chances to see cardassians being le bad and kyra being an Black backed terrorist getting away with it every single time.
Poor Picard. I wonder how many star fleet people he meets that had a best friend or family killed by locutus. Like surely it couldn't be pleasant having a few drinks at some vulcan conference on intergalatic highways, and then getting a speech from some sad person
>the ships were completely incapable of beaming off their civillian crew before flying to battle for dramatic reasons
It wasn't his fault
Gonna say that they didn't have time to redeploy civilians off the ships, besides they were in super interior federation space where the danger is super minimal.
What episode was this? I don't remember this.
The first one
The first one
Star fleet left a brainwashed borg victim still remain captain and did nothing when he fricked over the actual hero who saved everyone.
I really don't like pre-bald Sisko's look.
It was jarring when I first started, but I then I got used to it over the bald look.
Dax was a mary sue. I fricking hate that character.
Never understood wtf Jadzia's role was supposed to be. Ezri was a counselor at least, but Jadzia just tags along and then goes off to have some adventures with some Klingons. Is that what you do as a science officer in starfleet?
Dax was a counselor as well. It's creepy but it was centuries old and many klingon officers knew it well before it was implanted into a woman.
I mean Jadzia specifically. She is a science officer, but she seems to do everything but science most of the time.
Jadzia had the memories and knowledge of like 7 people. That she's not superhuman is weirder
That's why she's such a mary sue. She's a little bit of everything and she's good at all of it.
Yeah, but at the same time I would frick the shit out of her actress, even now. I saw her at the DS9 What We Left Behind documentary, she looked great.
yeah dax is fricking cringe even if the actress is hot. smug mary sue b***h.
elite force games are fun
sto is okay for playing through the story and shooting space lasers then quitting because the lootboxes are shit
I realize away team missions are far more prevalent than space laser battle in Startrek but man are they shit in STO
yeah that's a big downside because the ground shit is long, boring and easy
Eddington was right. The Federation is just the Borg in all but name.
The federation are the US supporting israel, and Eddington sees through the lies
I love the Eddington storyline and I wish they kept him around just a little bit longer. I wonder when Eddington turned to the Maquis. Was he in it from the very first time we see him, or earlier? Or later?
Come now, Anon, surely you must... 'appreciate' the early access games the founders have supplied you? Are they not adequate? IS it not simply exquisite that you're able to experience such... wondrous entertainment earlier than you expected? The magnanimity of the founders cannot possibly be overstated enough, why, I'd be surprised if they didn't just release the game as it is just to move onto the next early access project, so that you may enjoy that too, just as quickly.
They will be expecting your patronage, should they deign it necessary to release the newest paid skin DLC featuring your favorite Rick and Morty knock-off. Do not... disappoint them. It would be a shame to buyout your favorite studio and... reeducate them into mobile developers.
>todd howard as weyoun selling you the skyrim 'founder's pack' edition
I can even see the visual resemblance, frick.
>todd howard as weyoun selling you the skyrim 'founder's pack' edition
Would that mean the Jem'Hadar are bethesda drones that need the newest janky rerelease of Skyrim just to survive thanks to crippling addiction?
Sir, I have just been informed that the Cardassians are turning on us. All of our patreon games and kickstarter projects are being review bombed, in tandem with negative coverage from bajorans and the federation….
HOW DARE THEY-!
Ahem. For every one of our kickstarter/patreon projects that gets review bombed, 10,000 Cardassians will be gifted 500 points payable only on our patented Dominion Shop™, which is accessible via our newest releases. A gift from our beloved gods, whose benevolence remains unmatched throughout the Alpha Quadrant. Granted... the Cardassians will have to purchase our newest releases at twice the normal industry prices in order to use those points, and there may not be... much to purchase with those 500 points, at first. But with time, the good Cardassian people will view this as a necessary investment into their future- OUR future, of course. Let us put these silly complaints of product quality aside, and reunite under our common love of soulful video games, and perhaps hints of 'tasteful' pornography.
Now you'll have to excuse me, Captain, the founders need to take a year long hiatus. It's quite difficult to program in Ren'Py and write complex narratives about men of questionable age ranges and... *smirks* 'landladies'.
There's a great picture of Jeffrey Combs at a convention sitting at a table for autographs next to a bunch of Discovery actors, but everyone is in line for him while the other actors awkwardly laugh it off.
I've seen that image, I love it. I can't find it though.
Found it.
That's what they get for being shit actors in a shit show
I hate the globalist Federation so much
>I HATE THE PAHWRAITHS
>I HATE THE PAHWRAITHS
Okay, schizo.
How 's STO doing? I haven't played it in a year now
Still going. I haven't played it since the second last mission of that atrocious Mirror Universe plot came out but that's finished and it's onto something new now.
I stopped playing after the Terran story arc but I was honestly kinda getting burned out. Plus I got the ship I wanted so my need to grind was kinda gone
The reason why the Federation continues to look for new members and expand is because barely anyone has children anymore in the Federation. Their continually shrinking population requires a steady influx of new labor to power its economy and staff its Starfleet ships.
Wat? The reason why people stop having children is because of poor work/life balance and cost of living both in cities and in general. Combine post-scarcity with an infinitely progressive government and technocratic administration and you have a nanny state with exponential growth engulfing the universe and progressing towards become The Culture.
What are the end game crisis? Borg? Is there any mirror universe things ?
For me, it's Brunt. F.C.A.
Speaking of ferengi can you believe that they had the balls to make quark claim that they never had slaves or wars.
They weren't slaves, it was indentured servitude.
there were a lot of systems on your Earth history were you could get cheap labor from locals like the Incan Mita or the Spanish Encomienda.
Only the federation would import the most moronic and violent Kazon and try to make latinum out of them.
>even Dune recently got a decent porn game-
Excuse me?
>Excuse me?
No excuses needed.
This isn't really recent is it
>This isn't really recent is it
It officially released '2023-07-21', so yeah. Doesn't matter that it started in 2016.
>Could have avoided the entire plot of the second book if he had tapped his wife even once
gdi Paul
"It's race consciousness I ain't gotta explain shit"
>no pregnancy
why tho the bene jesserit are a literal breeding cult
Real talk, because Paul hates the idea of being used, even by "destiny" (an admirable trait this his children inherit) so he's cucking the witches into thirsting for his dick, even beyond the grave, millenia later. They're still fingerbanging themselves thousands of years later in Heretics and Chapterhouse going "Oh if only Paul had fricked Irulan then we never would have gotten into these ridiculous shota vs. e-girl hypnotic sex wars."
Yeah, but it's porn knock off Dune. I wanna frick all of my Fish Talker guards.
>porn knock off Dune
This is how I know you didn't read the final two novels (written by Frank, not his son).
I'm talking about Behind the Dunes, anon.
If we're talking about things that don't make sense, can we talk about the Romulans? They're supposedly as powerful (but more advanced in certain areas) as the Federation but they don't have enough ships or resources to evacuate their homeworld over the course of a decade.
10/10 Star Empire
The events preceding the Picard show and Star Trek 2009 prove that the Romulans are just paper tigers. MoFos had to rely on the good will of ONE human and the entire evacuation effort just stopped when he was forced to retire. Hell, the "villain" of the 2009 movie had a massive ship, but he was more focused on fricking around and killing Spock than he was on actually trying to save anyone he 'loved'.
They were supposedly crippled as an empire by Shinzon's revolt
babylon 5 was better.
nah bablyon 5 is cringe
If you listened only to the shilling and never watched the series then I can see why you'd think that.
If you actually saw it you would see how the show hit its peak in season 3 and lost its steam at season 4.
Picturing that greentext about the anon and his autistic bio-major girlfriend having sex, then her immediately examining his semen under a microscope to determine it's efficacy, and getting turned on to the point of having sex again. Just with a vulcan's cold hard logical examination.
>that greentext about the anon and his autistic bio-major girlfriend having sex
anon, you can't just bring up random greentexts without posting a pic or at least giving a better description to make it easier to look up.
>anon, you can't just bring up random greentexts without posting a pic or at least giving a better description to make it easier to look up.
Is Resurgence decent?
Or is the writing nu-Trek tier?
it feels like a 90s star trek episode, you play the story in short chapters, some as the ship commander and some as a member of the engineering team.
I haven't watched any of the new trek shows so I don't know how many Blacks and gays they throw you there, but here there's only 2 chimps and they're irrelevant and there's some alien who asks if her lesbian wife survived (you let her die lol). Also I remember there's an exchange where you can say diversity is our strength unironically kek.
one more thing, even if it's a decent experience, the controls are weird, so be careful of not pressing space + esc.
SPACE will pause the game and ESC will make you quit the chapter and you'll have the whole chapter again. I've lost so much progress that way because I kept forgetting I can't jump.
There's only one ending and the roleplay is okay but it's limited to being a federation officer, which is kinda cucked but you can be ruthless and piss people off and sacrifice their integrity and they can't do anything since you're playing by the rules.
Surely the Infinite will be better in like 5 years when it has all its DLC, right?
>Klingons
>value honor in combat
>use cloaked ships
>when pointed out in DS9, Worf just says there is no greater honor than winning
>when pointed out in DS9, Worf just says there is no greater honor than winning
Isn't that odd when there's an entire episode dedicated to the Klingons shunning one of their own for using money to win?
They were probably going to let him get away with it until he tried to kill an unarmed man who just surrendered in front of the High Council
Yeah I don't know what to tell you, the running theme through all of TNG and DS9 was that Klings are massive hypocrits and only pay lip service to the ideals their culture is founded upon
It was so funny seeing Worf interact with them when it was revealed that they were really just a bunch of alcoholic psychopaths. Yet Worf was honorable and stoic. Like if he was a Samurai raised on the code of Bushido who visited actual Japan one day to find out they were just miserable islanders living in tiny houses.
Humans are pretty big hypocrites too if you try to simplify them to the point of being a monolith.
Yes, the Federation being hypocritical and out of touch is also a running theme through TNG and DS9
How so and relative to whom?
Don't play dumb. One of the earliest episodes is about the Admiralty being okay with revoking the personhood of one of their officers because they value technological progress over the core creed of the Federation to seek out and connect with new forms of life.
Yes, and? I don't see how open debate on new moral circumstances on the fringes of the Federation with limited resources constitutes a civilization of trillions being fundamentally hypocrites.
You're not half as smart as you think you are and you've failed to disprove my point.
As I think I am? I have not made a claim about my intelligence nor implied one. Maybe you are projecting your own intellectual jockeying onto me.
You gave one example without also mentioning the extenuating circumstances and used it to paint an entire civilization with a single brush.
Not their fault roddenberry is a hack that made aliens out of every trait of the human psyche and turned it into a racial feature
The klingon empire is crippled by corruption at all levels. Klingons are not honourable, they're backstabbing social climbers. Honour is just a facade, as of now even the romulans have proven themselves to be more reliable. If you want to look at a race known for being rigidly honour bound, check the gorns, or at least what they used to be before SNW turned them into copyright free xenomorphs
Klingon's care very much about getting what they consider 'honor,' just not how they get it. Killing an enemy is honorable, even if they can't fight back. Taking down a great Klingon house through financial means, not honorable. Why? Because Klingon society, so obsessed with the idea and pursuit of honor they have forgotten what it truly means, has decided so.
Klingon honor is different from human honor.
>implying
Bro the whole point of Worf is that he's larping about Klingon honor. Klingons are one of the most duplicitous races in Star Trek.
No one mentioned Starship Commander yet wtf
i liked the game especially the "sitting on the deck yelling orders" part
I have 3,835 hours in STO
I fricking love DS9. And frick CBS for never releasing an HD remaster.
Anyone know if STO has finished jerking off wesly crusher? I stopped playing a while ago and every time I thought about playing it again his stupid face was plastered all over the game's page
That arc is over, something about getting his mother to spank him as the grand finale
I can't play STO because I find the enormous scale of the bridges off putting, there are smaller cathedrals.
What? A bridge is barely the size of a living room. Besides, what do you need to go to the bridge for? You control the ship from third person
Haven't played in a long time, have you
This isn't even special, all the Klingon carrier bridges are the same size
Google 'STO bridges' and tell me how many stories tall you think their ceilings are.
>Besides, what do you need to go to the bridge for?
The bridge is the comfiest part of the ship, bad bridge, bad ship.
What is it about Star Trek shitposting that always makes the best threads?
Slaves build shitty products.
411 you can replace ever actor/actress with a.i. now and we don't need to deal with annoying celebrities.
Funny how star trek never addresses the real life implications of a post scarcity society, like massive decadence fueled by boredom and lack of incentives as nobody really needs to work. Or what about complete and utter apathy that borders the psychopathy?
What about being able to frick a hologram and have cloned genetically enhanced children? How can't all of this inevitably destroy society as we know it? How the frick does their economy work? What's the incentive to go on? At least the culture made it more realistic, you become a glorified pet in a gilded cage watched by god like supercomputers.
That's what the Q were for. As to how well-written it all was is up for debate.
>massive decadence fueled by boredom and lack of incentives as nobody really needs to work. Or what about complete and utter apathy that borders the psychopathy?
Neither of those would be realistic. It's human nature to want to do something productive. Lack of desire to do so is fueled by either mental illness, which would be cured, or burnout caused by bleak and meaningless dead-end jobs.
Like imagine growing up on Star Trek future Earth and being told there's an entire galaxy of new and undiscovered shit to do and that the government will cover all your living necessities for the rest of your life. No shit people would go out and do stuff that interests them. I'm not talking about just Starfleet, but civilian and colonization projects too. If you think you personally would rather sit on your ass doing nothing instead then that's a you problem.
Buy that would mean work, and study, and discipline. The average morbidly obese barely literate fed muck would never have any of it. Look to modern society what happens when the massese get bored. Hint: they do not look for a cure for cancer.
You've been drinking the capitalist kool-aid a bit too much. You think there's zero reason to go on simply because you're not *forced* to work a 9 to 5? Instead of working a dead end job, you can learn to do literally what ever you want. Learn an instrument, become an architect, hell just travel the world for free.
>What about being able to have cloned genetically enhanced children?
Genetic enhancement is banned across the federation save for fixing genetic disorders.
The only thing I don't buy from Star Trek is that TV, movies, and video games non-existent. Those would continue to be insanely popular even in a post-scarcity world.
Spacers of Brigador were a fun portrayal of that, they are basically a culture of space psychopaths who descend from humanity's old elites, who seek decadent extremities of existing as a human. They survive and stay strong because so many of them are into murdering, raping and pillaging which is enough to give them a volunteer military.
>Clotilde Aalto eating her own unborn children
was it kino?
Isn't that what Papa Sisko does? He runs a restaurant in New Orleans and cooks the food rather than do it with a replicator simply to build a skill and the restaurant is there for the communal experience.
And there's a guy running a goddamn horse drawn carriage service, you just know he's living his best life
>you just know he's living his best life
Not going to lie, sounds like a comfy job is you just have to take care of the horse and you know the chances of dealing with shit people is very low.
This was literally addressed in one line in the TNG episode Cryonics. Picard says "The challenge is to improve yourself!"
Star Trek is a vision of humanity that isn't content to kill each other or waste their lives on hedonism, without the burden of limited resources people move the frontier of their desires to self-improvement.
>get bored with mastering a skill or craft or whatever else
>want more out of life
>want to know what's out there
>want to work towards a cause
>starfleet is literally right there
It's stated time and again that the Federation is not a paradise. EARTH is a paradise because it got its shit together, the Federation is simply able to meet your needs so no one will starve or be without shelter (no I dont know how that's possible when TNG s1 said there's a Federation planet with rape gangs, no idea how that's basic needs met)
Planet Rape Gang isn't in the Federation
Frick this gay ass space cult to hell. I hope you all burn in hell you brainwashed killers.
Wha would you like to see in a star trek porn game anons?
sex with starfleet kira
Would banging Dax mean you're banging a troony?
The slug that was running her was male so.. Plus Worf was hitting it for a while. If Dax was a modern character in modern Trek there would be chaos.
Would you mirror Ezri?
Stupid question.
Of course. Who wouldn't?
I should've watched that episode a lot sooner
I HATE the mirror universe.
I mean, it's the Saturday morning cartoon universe so I can get why some people might hate it that much
Ezri in general is a cutie.
True
Did DS9 have the best supporting cast of a major television production in recent memory?
This isn't recent memory, anon, this is three full generations ago. Recent memory for tv scifi is Expanse.
IT WAS RECENT TO ME
The supporting cast is what elevates DS9 above the rest of the other Treks and puts it on a GOAT list. On what other show would a character like Quark or Odo steal the show?
It's recent memory to me because I only finally watched the show 2 years ago
DS9 has the best supporting cast, but it's insane how good TOS's main cast is. There's a reason even the bad TOS movies still have really good scenes because of those characters
tfw no vulcan gf.
There is a new-ish Epic Store only game. It's alright. No alien waifu. There is a humie one.
Never seen Star Trek
What's the recommended watch order?
TNG
DS9
TOS/VOY/ENT if you want
TNG and DS9
The first two seasons of TNG are weaker than the rest but you should still watch them
TNG and DS9 are the best. If you like TNG, watch VOY. ENT was cut in its prime. TOS is 60's corny shit half the time and the other half is some of the most timeless science fiction ever put to screen
There doesn't need to be a watch order. Watch whatever show you want, I suggest DS9 if you are uncertain about it. There's not an overarching plot across multiple series, unless you count The Borg, and Bajor to a much lesser extent. The whole thing is full of retcons as well. The Ferengi are introduced in TNG, but by the time of DS9 they are completely unrecognizable. Same for the Klingons going from ToS, to the ToS movies, to TNG/DS9.
TNG is pretty pure Star Trek, DS9 is written by proto "leftists" a lot of the time. The episode that stayed with me is about the Federation banning genetic engineering because new humans would outcompete the frick out of old ones. Come on now...
Watch them in release order and stop after Enterprise.
I started with DS9 because it came heavily recommended from a friend and it was worth it, you can branch out to anything afterwards, watch order barely matters at all.
Release order.
Ignore ANYONE that says to skip TOS.
Why didn't they make Bashir and Garak gay?
Andrew Robinson provided insight into his role when interviewed by Amazon.com, stating, "I started out playing Garak as someone who doesn't have a defined sexuality. He's not gay, he's not straight, it's a non-issue for him. Basically his sexuality is inclusive. But – it's Star Trek and there were a couple of things working against that. One is that Americans really are very nervous about sexual ambiguity. Also, this is a family show, they have to keep it on the 'straight and narrow', so then I backed off from it. Originally, in that very first episode, I loved the man's absolute fearlessness about presenting himself to an attractive Human being. The fact that the attractive Human being is a man (Bashir) doesn't make any difference to him, but that was a little too sophisticated I think. For the most part, the writers supported the character beautifully, but in that area they just made a choice they didn't want to go there, and if they don't want to go there I can't, because the writing doesn't support it."
Andrew Robinson is a flamer, and should be ignored.
He's been married to a woman since the 70s
Andrew Robinson always gets so far into the mindscape of his characters, he really elevates them. I don't think anyone could have made Garak as memorable.
Garak is easily the most complex Trek character. He gets an entire episode just to show him going through withdrawals.
Has anyone else just started watching DS9 for the first time recently? I am on season 4 now. I liked the show from the start, but season 4 took this show up a whole new level.
Was Season 4 the start of the Dominion War?
I don't think so? I mean they are openly hostile with the Jem Hdar, and the Dominon has started their infiltration, but it doesn't feel like a hot war yet. It is where the Klingons go rogue though and Cardassia is on the defensive.
I thought it was that season, it takes a while before it turns onto open warfare. you still have either the end of this season or some time next season
Season 4 is the Klingon-Cardassian War, isn't it? The Dominion is still sending in mainly changelings to be spies and saboteurs in s4.
yeah, the actual Dominion War either starts at the end of S4 or in the middle of S5. I just remember that it takes a while before the full war starts
>So... I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all... I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again - I would. Garak was right about one thing: a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it... Because I can live with it... I can live with it...
Tuvok was really wasted on Voyager.
Poor Tim was clearly trying so fricking hard to breathe life into a character without emotions
He jobbed harder the TNG Worf, I really hate voyager. Frick Janeway
How big are the maps in KOTOR2? I can play without map markers in tiny maps, but if it's fallout size then I draw the line.
But where is OUR video game, aanoon?
Being the representative of the Centauri Republic, I must inform the Ad/v/isory Council that the Centauri government is growing impatient due to the lack of Babylon 5 video games being developed on this station.
You had 3 games, they're called "Mass Effect 1-3"
Was that "Telltale" Trek game that came out any good? The trailer showed to me at least that the writers at least understood then fundamentals of the setting.
Middling. Not amazing, but not terrible.
There's never going to be a Star Trek vidya more 'decent' than the TNG styled borg and klingon ones we already have.
Hey, remember Spock's adopted black sister?
No. I don't remember his long lost brother either.
No and I don't remember his bearded hippie brother finding god, either
>his long lost brother
Holy shit, I had just look that op that's almost as fricking moron as his back sister
stellaris fricking sucks, more like waitaris
4x is just shit in general, you paint the wall by setting research or whatever shit and then wait for the paint to dry and then repeat.
so if there's a star trek 4x game coming then it will be shit too. more like wait trek
Infinite is out now. A few days ago. Reviews are rough.
what's the best episode of DS9 and why is it "In the Pale Moonlight"?
I really like when Garak blew up his own shop.
For me it's Duet.
For me it's Trials and Tribble-ations because I like fun
>Dax thinks Spock is the hot one, not Kirk
>actress ends up marrying Nimoy's son
For me, its any Quark/Ferengi focused episode.
The fricking israelites basically just carried the show for me on my initial watch, I doubt I would have given it a proper a chance if they weren't present
Why not just make it offically part of stellaris, still a standalone game but if you have both you can play the star trek stuff in the main game
I wouldn't have minded using the base Stellaris but augmented to fit the Star Trek IP while improving some of its worst qualities. A game like this without the Dominion also indicates it is truly lacking in soul. I also heard you can't stop Romulus from blowing up?
>can't stop Romulus from blowing up
The fact that it blows up at all means they're following shitty reboot timeline shit and should be ignored
There are mods for Star Trek for Stellaris that do a better job. For one you aren't limited to just the Feds, Klingons, Cardies or Romulans
>A game like this without the Dominion
The Dominion outclasses three of the factions combined, they're the Mongol Horde/Sunset Invaders doomstacks in comparison.
Voyager was always at its best when it dropped the prime directive moralizing and the crew just dealt with the awful situation they were in in the Delta Quadrant. Or whenever it just went completely out there like the episode with the evil Holographic Clown that killed people by scaring them to death.
That's definitely one of the show's strengths but also one of it's weaknesses, because the usage of the prime directive is so fricking inconsistent
Inconsistency in general is what plagues Voyager. Inconsistency in characterization, tone, and what they even wanted the series to be.
Yeah, which is weird because it had most of the same writers from the other series.
Wasn't so much a skill problem, it just seemed like nobody could figure out what they actually wanted to do with the show
Watching the OG show for the first time was funny, I kept asking "why does everyone say Kirk was a man prostitute" up until season 3. The first two season he gets with like 3 woman in total but in season 3 he is fricking b***hes in every other episode
Homie just wanted to frick aliens. I'd say if the average anon were in his shoes, they'd do the exact same. But lets be real here, the average anon would lock themselves up in a holodeck and refuse to come out.
Riker is infinitely more egregious in his sexuality than Kirk ever was.
Riker was trying to frick b***hes for almost the entire shows run. Kirk goes from being pretty reserve for the first to two seasons to almost Riker tier in season 3.
>holograms
>psychics
>ensign bajorans that hate him
>genderless aliens
any hole is a goal.
The Orville is in the top 3 Trek shows, barring the first episode which I'm almost convinced is bad just for the "early Trek is always bad" meme.
It's also not a Star Trek show.
It's legally distinct TNG. Feels like Rogen wanted to make a Trek show and they didn't let him so he changed a few details. It's Trek in my eyes.
That's nice. It's still not Star Trek.
okay but it's still in the top 3
>Rogen
MacFarlane. It's his Star Trek fanfiction.
Can't believe I posted that blunder
There are feminist memes out the ass in Orville. Right from the very beginning. It's too grating for me.
It's weird that a Seth McFarland show did a better job at doing science fiction over the ten million Star Trek spin-offs we've had over the past decade. And depressing.
Because he's a fricking massive dork for TOS.
it never gets higher tha a 7/10, mainly because th actors lack the gravitas needed to pull off the drama in the serious parts of the show.
its-not-its.info
Is Lower Decks actually good?
Sure if you're a fan of rick and morty and think member berries equals good trek content.
If you don't clap your hands like flippers and bark like a sea lion when you see a K't'inga-class warship can you call yourself a Trek fan?
The worst part is they're so fricking blatant about it. Every time they do it it's like "HEY LOOK IT'S A NOVA CLASS WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" as if there's a fricking live audience they're speaking to hoping they'll react. It's incredibly obnoxious.
Yes, anon, played STRAIGHT. That episode was not played straight, it was a fricking parody of star trek.
And Star Trek has never gone completely off the rails like that episode did. It was always framed in a way that made sense for the show. Nothing in that episode made any fricking sense, it was all fricking garbage.
It was written simply because they wanted to write a musical, not because they wanted to do anything interesting with Trek.
Frick that episode, and frick you.
It's not nearly as bad as I thought
I felt like killing myself when I watched that crossover episode in Strange New Worlds (then again that show is also all sorts of shit, who the frick does fricking musical episodes in current year) so unless the show itself is significantly better I doubt it
A musical episode can be done, the year has nothing to do with it, but it has to be the right show for it.
Star Trek is not the right show.
>Star Trek is not the right show.
Frick off, Star Trek is absolutely the right show. It's absolutely filled with wacky concepts played straight, it's amazing it took this long to have a musical episode.
My only gripe about the musical is echoed in this post.
Wacky ideas =/= Fit for a musical
Vic Fontaine taking up almost a third of his introductory episode with literally just him singing was already pushing it way too fricking far. Even the episode where all the cast are out of costume in the "real world" strained it by having an excuse plot to justify it.
Star Trek had dignity, it took itself seriously despite the silliness. It was not the right fricking show.
I honestly could have totally seen it being done in TOS.
I completely agree. If it happened 30 years ago, everyone would have accepted it with open arms. People only hate it now because it is nu-trek. (and nu-trek in general does deserve the hate)
Nice bait.
I would agree if it were on the holodeck or Q's antics, but SNW is still a terrible show and the whole thing about quantum realities is just sci-fi horseshit.
wait what? Like SNW is set before TOS and LD is like a few years after Nemesis.
Time travel is hardly a new concept to Star Trek.
I figured. It was usually used for episodes like that one where they go back to Mark Twain's time and shit, not this silly stuff. I mean I guess it has happened before with Sisko and friends going to the Tribble episode and Tuvok remembering that TOS movie
I think they did a well enough job with it. They didn't make it into a "fate of the future" episode, it's just "two idiots get sucked into the past and now we have to figure out how to get them home" played straight.
That said, while they tried to keep the spirit of Lower Decks active during the episode, it clashes with SNW's live action environment, so a fair few things end up coming off as awkward rather than funny. Plus they only brought two main cast members from Lower Decks, with the rest relegated to short sections at the start and end of the episode as cameos, basically.
But I did think it was neat that they redid the entire intro sequence in an animated format.
God those two are so fricking insufferably annoying. How are people able to put up with them to watch that garbage?
Time travel shit
It leans a bit too hard on references, but for a comedy focused series it has some surprisingly good episodes here and there.
I wish STO was a good MMO.
Okay but why did they character assassinate Gowron so much in DS9?
they character assassinate everyone in the final season of ds9
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He was little better than Duras in TNG, a slimy politician trying to advance in rank over being a leader to his people. He looked better than Duras because Duras was completely off the deep end of Klingon treachery.
Gowron was arguably the most level-headed and reasonable Klingon that wasn't Worf. He knew the game and he maneuvered well enough to not compromise the values he espoused.
Political intrigue is, in and of itself, inherently against Klingon values. Like trying to bribe Worf's halfbreed girlfriend into siding with him for a seat on the Council.
His political scheming reaches its natural peak when it looks like he's going to lose the Klingon Empire to the Dominion and all his selfish ass can think about is making sure he doesn't lose High Chancellorship to one of his own men first. It doesn't matter, or occur to him, that Martok would never have done his duty and challenged him, he's a politician and can't see how a true warrior thinks.
Did he immediately start murdering anyone he came across? No? Then he was probably the most sane Klingon in the room that wasn't on his deathbed.
Gowron actually sought to improve relations with the federation by bailing Picard out.
Terok-Nor was the most Beautiful Station. Incredible, folks. Least casualties in the sector, I know I know...
>Gowron actually sought to improve relations with the federation by bailing Picard out.
Picard had to strongarm him into helping while he was in the middle of rewriting Klingon history to remove all mention of the Federation playing an essential part in stopping the Romulans turning a Duras into a puppet leader. No honor in that, is there.
This is the real crime imo. Gowron was great throughout two series and honestly one of the most progressive and non-stupid Klingon leaders. Then he just goes batshit with barely any build up. At least they could have had some set up akin to McCarthyism, except actually have more changelings that he has to murder. Then he goes batshit.
Also Garak was right for wanting to genocide the Founders. Worf fricked hundreds of thousands of lives but stopping him.
Nobody is arguing that him becoming literal Satan wasn't stupid. We're arguing that he was never a good person. He was a moustache twirler from the minute the ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS scene fricking happened. Gassing the entire station and then murdering is supposed comrades while he flees is fricking insanity.
The only reason he didn't murder his bastard daughter was because if he did, Kira would have told everyone. And then he'd be a kinslayer as well as an adulterer. If Kira wasn't there Ziyal would have been dead alongside everyone else in that prison.
Yeah it definitely feels like that's what they wanted to go with but either didn't have the time or chose not to commit more episodes to his worsening Paranoia.
>He was a moustache twirler from the minute the ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS scene fricking happened.
It was pretty bad but killing rebels was par for the course for Cardassian disciplinary measures. So was killing their families. Must have been pretty effective if only 15m deaths occurred over 50 years. Funny how one of the worst pieces of writing in the series boils down to an arbitrary number.
>then murdering is supposed comrades while he flees is fricking insanity.
There's nothing about murdering Cardassians in that particular protocol. In fact there are several aspects of that protocol designed for Cardassian officers to pass through safely.
>The only reason he didn't murder his bastard daughter was because if he did, Kira would have told everyone.
Would have been nothing to stop him from killing her off screen and gaslighting Kira. Maybe even plotting her eventual murder in turn. Come on, anon, his love for his daughter was a genuinely humanizing trait.
You're just being silly at this point. He told Kira he was going to kill her. You think she would have believed him if he pulled the ol' "She tripped and fell down the stairs!" gag?
I get that you want to believe that the not-Nazi/Occupier/Colonizer was a good man, but he wasn't. And that is why the writers turned him into megasatan. Because idiots like you kept thinking "Aw, but he loved his kids." For frick's sake he was basically reading out the definition of colonial paternalism when he was explaining how he viewed the Bajorans.
Someone struggling with reading comprehension and jumping to conclusions has no business calling others idiots. I said I was advocating for his "humanity", that he has the POTENTIAL to be good, not that he was actually a good person. Or to put it another way, that he was not all evil and believed, keyword BELIEVED he was doing the right thing. Which was much more interesting than "actually, I just want to kill all Bajorans now."
>For frick's sake he was basically reading out the definition of colonial paternalism when he was explaining how he viewed the Bajorans.
That's not mustache twirling evil by any means. At its very worst it's an excuse for colonialism and otherwise it's simply an ignorant and very misguided philosophy.
>You think she would have believed him if he pulled the ol' "She tripped and fell down the stairs!" gag?
What I think is he could have made up a number of excuses for why Kira wouldn't hear from her, none of which would have anything to do with death, long enough to try and remove Kira from the picture altogether if necessary. And I think Dukat is more than clever enough for this if he intended to do that.
Every single sentient creature has the "potential" to be good. That's just baseline. He never believed he was doing the right thing. It was at best a massive cope. He literally complained about not having a statue on Bajor to Weyoun. The spoonhead literally decimated the Bajorans at any sign of resistance and only employed Odo due to a misguided sense of paternalism.
And you are absolutely an idiot if you think anyone at Starfleet or on Bajor would believe that he wasn't behind anything if Kira and literally no survivors (which would need to be everyone) came back from that mission. Even he wasn't that stupid or he would have done it.
At least they only did it like 5 minutes before his death instead of a season and a half
Star Trek is such utter shit in its current iteration that I won't admit to anyone I haven't already told that I like the old franchise. I hope to never have a discussion with a "fan" in person ever again. Have a nice thread though, thank you for not reading my blog.
Man remember when Quark couldn't reconcile being involved in the deaths of 28 million people and tricked the warring parties into fighting on DS9 so the rebel group could assassinate the fat emperor guy? Great character, awful Ferengi.
>Great character, awful Ferengi.
The entire Ferengi cast can be summed up this way
All Ferengi are awful. Frickin space israelites.
Didn't think I'd have an excuse to post this today.
So can anyone here recommend a genuine strategy game? Don't recommend me a sid meier game either btw.
If you haven't played it, Master of Orion 2 is a pretty damn good 4x, even today.
For me?
Duet, tied with In The Pale Moonlight. Absolute kinography.
Jadzia is better then Ezir
I wish they killed Jadzia a season earlier on and did more Dax/Sisko stuff. It was such an interesting dynamic, having your best friend be your mentor, then equal, and finally mentoree.
Jadzia was only killed off because Terry Farell was leaving the show. Even she said "if you're going to kill me off, do it in the episde with Worf defying orders to save my life for maximum drama"
I know, but the potential was always there with her being a Trill.
I would say only the season 1 finale, but you have to see the TOS version of the episode first. The actors don't seem to be allowed to have a dynamic with each other. It's like they're all clones.
I've seen all of the series except for nu-trek. I remember some anons saying SNW was decent in an old Ganker thread.
Here's your Jeffrey Combs bro
You can get Jeffrey Combs to voice anything as long as it's Star Trek or Lovecraft-related, he's always up for it.
Who are these fricking subhumans still watching nu-trek?
GOWRON FPS WHEN
Klingon Honor Guard might scratch the itch. Or not. I really don't get why there aren't more Trek games using the Klingons. The empire is fertile unexplored territory with none of the peaceful coexistence and prime directive hand cuffs you get with the Federation.
It's so bizarre to me that they keep pushing Starfleet as the front for vidya, especially FPS, when there is an entire in-universe empire dedicated to killing shit and combat training as part of their daily life.
Plus, individual characters can be honorable or treacherous, as the story needs rather than having it shit on the Federation by having yet another corrupt/insane admiral.
My fellow Gowron enjoyers, please take this with my blessing.
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I never liked the pah-wraith/prophet storyline. I wish it was just religion and spirituality to the Bajorans but not actual godlike time-aliens or whatever. Sisko being 'erased' from existence and Dukat turning into Space Satan was fricking ridiculous.
And no, the dumb fricking books or comics don't count.
>I never liked the pah-wraith/prophet storyline
No one did. Hell it retroactively ruins Far Among the Stars by just making it so that the Pah-Wraiths were just fricking with Sisko
Is SNW any good? I heard people saying it was, but I was doubtful.
Christopher Lloyd carried The Search for Spock on his back.
I don't believe a ST fan who says they felt nothing when they saw the Enterprise blow up
Reminder that the best Star Trek movie is Galaxy Quest.
In The Pale Moonlight is the best episode of DS9.
An episode that I both hate and love is Far Beyond the Stars. I love it because of how well directed and mostly thought out it is. I hate it because it deals with a subject matter that is now entirely alien to Sisko. He has no idea what human-on-human racism is like. He can only imagine it via reading or watching things but ultimately he has never experienced it yet Avery Brooks just *had* to make it his personal mission to make a whole "RACISM BAD" episode even though we get it. Everyone watching Trek gets that. He's preaching to the choir with it and yet we have to pretend like Sisko really knows what it's like to be a black man in 1940's New York or Louisiana or wherever. Come on.
I feel an instinctive need to defend that episode. For one, preachiness is nothing new to DS9, god knows they did it a lot in the Bell Riots 2-parter. Secondly, they made the very smart decision to have it take place in a time when racism was very real since even 90s racism, and there was still some pretty open racism in the 90s, couldn't compare to 50s racism. Thirdly, every character is done so damn well. The entire cast is perfect in their roles, René Auberjonois deserved a fricking Emmy for his role as the magazine's editor who is trying to not be the bad guy but is stuck in an immensely shitty situation because of the society they live in.
I would say the worst thing about the episode itself was Avery Brooks performance. It was too self-indulgent, he was too into the role. Supposedly he was still stuck in acting mode when the cameras turned off for the scene of them taking him to the looney bin.
Sisko is also a big history buff, he keeps many ancient-Earth artifacts in his office; just look at his favorite personal pastime. Captain Sisko also prefers to cook his own meals by hand instead of replicating them and has an elderly father living in a rather old quarter looking part of Earth who also runs his own kitchen, doing everything the old fashioned way.
It's not entirely out of character for someone that has an established history with history to know about history.
Plus it's not even Sisko in those scenes, it's Sisko in an out of body experience as Benny, genuinely believing he's Benny.
>but wasn't Pale Moonlight also S7?
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I realize my mistake. I was confusing Pale Moonlight with Paper Moon, which was a far better example of holodeck obsession than Barclay. I feel like I should rewatch DS9. I am reminded of just how many good episodes there were.
Nog was out of line attacking Jake for trying to be a good friend to him. Vic was in the right for kicking Nog to the curb even if briefly.
>He can only imagine it via reading or watching things but ultimately he has never experienced it
That's the thing. He hasn't experienced it so it feels all the more weirder and disgusting to him.
I like the Visitor more. Far Beyond the Stars is kind of a wacky episode, but Sisko's job is dealing with racism and reconciliation between Bajor and Cardassia, so It's not something I would say is completely alien to him. It's also left ambiguous as to what the dream even is, whether it was a hallucination, alien guidance, or actually real.
First half of S7 is great. Siege of AR-558 is my standout episode, but wasn't Pale Moonlight also S7?
I was going to say The Visitor was the last time we saw Tony Todd in ST but I think there was still that Kurn episode after. Still, props to him, guy was a longstanding actor with the franchise and he's the Candyman.
>figure he's probably dead
>look him up
>he's not only not dead, he's not even that old, he's just always looked like he's in his 50s even when he was 30
>there are no good DS9 s7 epi-
DEATH TO THE OPPOSITION
>Rom's actor was a college baseball star who didn't go into the minor leagues because he chose to be an actor
>had to play with his offhand because he was literally too skilled to convincingly play badly with his good hand
As someone that played baseball in high school, it's not that he's too skilled, it's that you can't unlearn the muscle memory you gain playing the game. He will instinctively try to throw the ball correctly if he attempts to throw it the wrong way.
Guys help, I started playing that new Star Trek game as the Cardassian Union and I fully absorbed the Bajoran nation and when I wasn't looking all the Bajorans vanished off of Bajor, I think I accidentally genocided them. What do I do?
Planetary parking lot
But I was relying on slave labour for my agriculture! I built labour camp districts for them to work in!
Celebrate
Celebrate?
Watch these.
>it's a FAAAAKE
Senator Vreenak should've been in at least two more episodes prior to that one to establish his A) Hatred of the Federation and B) Him as a character on top of his dealings with the Dominion.
Also because I really like Stephen McHatties performances. He's like the TV version of Lance Henriksen.
>made by Paradox
I genuinley feel bad for Star Trek Fans. Welcome to DLC hell and shitty bugs
>There are no good DS9 s7 ep-
Take Me Out to the Holosuite - Treachery, Faith and the Great River - Once More Unto the Breach - The Siege of AR-558 - It's Only a Paper Moon - Field of Fire - Chimera - Badda Bing, Badda Bang - Interim Arma Enim Silent Leges - Strange Bedfellows - The Changing Face of Evil - When It Rains.. - Extreme Measures - What We Leave Behind (despite its flaws)
...why do we dislike s7 again?
That's still only slightly over half the season. DS9 usually had 1 or 2 stinkers per season, not more than 10
Only insane people say the later seasons of DS9 are bad. DS9 holds an extremely good consistent quality throughout the series. Not flawless, it does have ups and downs but I'd say about 80-85% of DS9 is worth (re)watching.
>DS9 holds an extremely good consistent quality throughout the series.
This. DS9 is the most consistently good trek. TOS and TNG have way higher highs but also way lower lows. All Good Things is still the best Trek finale and will probably never be topped
>You always know how to use my honor against me!
>THAT'S BECAUSE IT ALWAYS WORKS, WORF!
I agree with your post 100%, anon. Though I wonder if In The Pale Moonlight isn't just as good as i.e TNG's The Measure of a Man (extended cut).
Both are my favourites of their respective shows.
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Set Phasers to Frag.
KILL NEELIX
DESTROY THIS KITCHEN RAT
So Ira didn't get that people liked to hate Dukat, right? Everyone liked watching him be a somewhat relatable, but still despicable person. Nobody (figuratively speaking) actually *liked* Dukat.
Was he so fricking dense he didn't get that at all and thought people were cheering him on or something?