>Ace Attorney dead
>Danganronpa dead
>Zero Escape dead
>Ghost Trick dead
>AI: Somnium Files dead
>Rain Code never alive to begin with
Mystery games are in a sad state of affairs.
>Ace Attorney dead. >Danganronpa dead. >Zero Escape dead. >Ghost Trick dead. >AI: Somnium Files dead
>All those dead mystery games series
We must catch the killer!
they all died from HIV AIDS after coming in contact with (You)
>Ghost Trick dead
It's one game, it's done, it's finished, it's over. No need for anything more.
one of the Ghost Trick producers said that if the remaster sold well enough then they would explore a sequel with similar gameplay but a new cast of characters
and knowing Capcom and AA sales figures I would assume "well enough" would be like 500,000 copies
This is what the genre need
they have the formats just change characters every game or so
Play Tyrion Cuthbert
I'm actually playing it for a second time and yeah I'd recommend this to anyone with an AA urge that doesn't mind indie production values.
I wish I could use the full version of this as a reaction image but it's too much of a spoiler for casual Ganker usage.
Same
the game is too short. it feels like the cases are half the length they should be and it never gets anywhere near slightly complex until the second to last case
Yeah, that is true. I hope they get enough budget and devtime from the sales of the first game to get a more fleshed out and polished second game (they do have a big sequel hook), because it feels like they had great ideas that they didn't really develop that much.
I'll agree on that, I did get stuck in a few places but it's overall shorter then it should be while being a tad too easy.
I still enjoyed the game and I think a sequel could fix a lot of stuff but It's like a hard 6, soft 7 out of ten.
I refuse to play purely based on its name. Fricking Cuthbert.
Play Tyrion
the Apollo Justice trilogy gives me at least a little hope for AA's survival
>yfw the new one was suppose to be out in 2021
It makes sense that they would want people to catch up with the AJ collection first before saying anything about AA7. But that's just positive thinking, it might be cancelled, who knows.
We actually live in the timeline where we could get a do over on ZTD based on how bad it was
ZTD is already perfect.
It sucked a big dong. Don't think I've ever been disappointed with a game and I saw the character models before playing
...
That's a puzzle game
Am looking forward to it though, but not much hope for the puzzle quality
I hope they revive mystery room, it had potential for a series
>You see Luke, everyone in the town was a robot being controlled by everyone in a town just a short train ride away. The reason we didn't realize everyone was a robot was because the rain that was falling on the town when we first arrived was an artificial storm where the water was laced with hallucinogens that made us see the robots as real people. All of this was done so that the mayor of the town controlling the robots could generate tourism to this town, and the mayor's town would import their products here to sell and make a tidy profit from the tourists. The bread is also laced with the hallucinogens to keep the folks under the influence.
>Every puzzle has an answer, Luke.
you joke but the path to finding a lot of the murder evidence in PW is just as schizo.
man layton games can be such kino sometimes, very underrated. there's a shitload of puzzles but they're all generally solid quality too, and the plot definitely doesn't lack either, only bad thing about the franchise is that the games are overall kind of hit or miss
layton 1/2/3/6 are all kino, 4 is okay, 5 spends too long on flashbacks, but they all have good scenes at least and the movie is fricking ascended godkino of the highest order
lady layton has been rightfully buried and our resurgence is coming
6 was kino until the ending which ruined the entire prequel series.
The movie is absolutely high god tier i agree, that ost is insane
I haven't listened to this gem in years, thanks anon.
1,2 and 3 are great
4 and 5 are ok
6 is the weakest one imo. maybe it was just the ending sucking, but I came out of that game incredibly disappointed, which is something neither 4 nor 5 did even if i wasnt super thrilled with them.
>Rain Code sold over 300,000 copies
>dead
It’s guaranteed getting a sequel.
Was it any good?
I enjoyed it a lot. Similar to DR gameplay wise but with a much smaller cast and the cases play out more like your standard mystery. The setting is really nice and the plot of the game really pics up towards the end. The ending is also way better than any of the DR endings imo. Definitely worth checking out if you’re into the genre.
Not him, but I got Rain Code on release day yet still haven't played it since I was busy with other things despite my fascination with Danganronpa. Is there a character as good as Hopeman or comparable? Also, is there a e-girl?
>Is there a character as good as Hopeman or comparable?
Maybe not on the same level, but there's a character that has similar vibes. He's one of the best characters of the main cast and plays a big role in one of the best cases in the game but that's all I'll say to avoid any spoilers.
>Also, is there a e-girl?
Yes, just one.
Mmm, I'm craving some bacon all of a sudden!
I personally thought it was shit and worse than all 3 the dangan games. Get it at your own risk
This is the harry potter attorney game?
Is Famicom Detective Club good? The remake ones on switch
>Is Famicom Detective Club good?
the first one is mediocre and the second is pretty decent with some actual good atmosphere to it
>famicom detectuve club
I liked them a lot but they are pretty old and jank by today's standards, i'd rate them as "good for their time"
I wanted to enjoy it so much but no, it's not good. The main reason issue is: you're smarter than the MC.
90% of the game is him going "I-I CANT DO THAT!" instead of solving the obvious puzzle in front of him.
Oh, and also the cases are too simple. Most of them I can solve before the mystery labyrinth takes 5 hours.
Do you like Danganronpa for the gameplay and art style, rather than anything else?
It's alright, some characters and moments are really good. It has a lot of wasted potential though. Most characters have way too little screentime, the Mystery Labyrinth is a huge downgrade from class trials, and Chapters 0 and 3 are pure shit probably worse than any Danganronpa case.
I thought 0 and 4 were good the only good ones
0 was a complete waste of time and potentially interesting characters.
1 was solid, though the suspects/culprits were shallow characters.
2 was great. Best chapter hands down.
3 was awful. I hated all of the Resistance characters. It felt like a bad Danganronpa fanfic.
4 was pretty good.
5 was fine. The twist was good but the ending felt anticlimactic to me.
Also the ending just magically fixing everything
Yeah everyone lives happily ever after besides the Peacekeepers.
>4 was pretty good.
>I AM A GENIUS
>WHAT THE FRICK IS A CAMERA?
Rain Code's prologue was one of the worst things I've ever seen Kodaka write. It almost killed any good will I had for the game. The plot is boring contrivance and the minigames kill the pacing. It's TOO anime.
Chapter 1 is also boring but the case is just mediocre and carried by the supporting detective.
Chapter 2 is actually great. I would have just put the game down if not for it. Really up there with some of DR's best
Chapter 3 has a very weak case but it's boxed in the middle of two strong ones.
Yes, Chapter 4 is very strong and may be better than chapter 2.
Chapter 5 is a decent finish and much better than DR's trashy ones.
All in all, RC has one rocky fricking start but picks itself up from chapter 2. It was worth it overall but there's plenty of room for improvement. I also think Kodaka has gotten much better at writing characters
>Yes, Chapter 4 is very strong and may be better than chapter 2.
I fee like I'm taking crazy pills when I see this opinion so often.
Rain Code's 4th Chapter is the absolute worst case in the game and would be on par with DR's worst.
The absolute worst writing and a degree of crime handwaving on par with Obito, and at least in Obito's case he is still widely considered to be a villian in his own show.
Well, worst Danganronpa game but still a solid 8/10. Really needs a sequel. Required playing after danganronpa anyway.
I liked it, like others said the problem are the minigames which at times kill the pace of the game, specially the one you do at the very end of each case which feels EXTREMELY redundant
in general I recommend watching a video of someone playing through the prologue case, it's a good encapsulation of the game, that said case 1 is REALLY boring but case 2 is really good so you have to power through it to get to the good stuff
its mediocre, final chapter is the only pretty good thing
Considering I didn't see Ganker spam unspoilered spoilers after release, it must have been kinda weak.
dropped it in chapter 3.
0 sucked
1 sucked
2 was fine but i solved it like 3 hours before the protagonist and had to sit through the gay ass labyrinth taking a century.
3 was atrocious.
by that point i was just done and could not be fricked to keep going. luckily i didnt pay money for it. I don't really like danganronpa all that much but i'd consider it to be far worse than DR.
Still one of the most outrageous absences from the switch library, dunno wtf they are thinking not porting it. It would take them what, a week at best?
the "remaster" of 999 is objectively worse than the original in terms of story telling so the fewer people that play that one, the better
Why? I haven't played it, but the VLR style timeline seems good.
The second screen of the ds which had the narrator (akane) dialogue is replaced with a toggle to switch between conversation mode and story mode. In order to compensate people not constantly switching to story mode and missing important info, the characters have tons of extra dialogue where they over explain what is happening in the scene which feels very unnatural. This also ruins the twist at the end as well since most people don't bother to read the "story" mode dialogue and stick to the conversation mode.
I think the flowchart is worse. going in blind to the game, I had no idea there were multiple endings or that other endings can influence each other. The remaster ruins this surprise with the flow chart
It changes one thing for the worse, and adds the flowchart. It's a wash at worst.
Wasn't the second AI game only released last year? How is that dead?
I adore Ghost Trick but I NEVER want it to get a sequel, it doesn't need one. There's nowhere to go with it. Maybe make a spiritual successor with similar gameplay mechanics but don't touch the IP again
>Ace Attorney Dead
They're releasing a new game in January.
>new
>port
I dont even have to look it up to know its a port.
I will revive the mystery genre. Yes me, alone.
Recent mystery EVNs on Steam over the past few years:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249260/Birth_ME_Code/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1228600/Blankspace/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1414250/CORPSE_FACTORY/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1568920/Clean_Slate/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1820720/The_Divine_Deception/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2011310/Entropic_Float_This_World_Will_Decay_And_Disappear/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2058090/The_Game_of_Fourtune/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1338940/Head_AS_Code/ (remake)
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271300/Methods_The_Detective_Competition/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1020030/Quantum_Suicide/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1940040/The_Price_Of_Flesh
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2091580/SYNESTHESIA/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1513120/The_Zodiac_Trial/
Upcoming mystery EVNs on Steam:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1728290/Decide_4_God/ (finale to the Abime series)
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1041270/Exogenesis_Perils_of_Rebirth/ (never ever)
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1349820/The_Lost_Delinquents_of_Rollings_High/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1287170/Thiefs_Roulette/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1929350/Ubel/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2385550/Underground22/
mystery genre is ready for some medium sized dev to come in and scoop up fans but all attempts so far have been joke spinoff games like tyrion cuthbert and shovelware like posted
What is an EVN as opposed to a VN?
it's a vn written in english, just shorthand for a western dev vn
most are not very good
Games from this list that are actually good:
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i thought the zodiac trial was okay
anything family friendly?
Define family friendly. There's no nudity in any of these games. There's varying levels of gore and 'shown deaths', if that makes sense, between the games. The biggest to stay away from would probably be The Price of Flesh but even something like CORPSE FACTORY was mostly tame in its visual presentation.
mom could play it without freaking out (no big boobs or blood).
Blood is so common in these types of games that I genuinely couldn't tell you which ones do and do not have it.
he's asking for porn
Corpse Factory is utter garbage and the plot makes no sense
It certainly did drop the ball as it progressed. What part of the plot didn't "make sense"?
My personal favorite would be the Abime series but Zodiac Trial, Methods, and The Game of Fourtune were decent standalones. Methods has the most jarring artstyle but it is constantl nonstop locked-door mysteries.
Every character is a wikipedia entry.
655237204
>all of these are bad except for the one that had anime art!!!
>no actual critique or examples
>but danganshit/WTC/uchi's repetition is full of SOVL ex dee
Wow what a surprise. Another disingenuous post in bad faith from a 2016+ buzzword spewing newbie. If you don't like VNs that's okay.
Which one of these would you call the best?
I tried to keep an open mind and completed Head AS Code, Corpse Factory and The Zodiac Trial after seeing them from this list. (also Seikimeya)
I can safely conclude that all the others must be as poorly written, designed, and vapid. Corpse Factory was the only one with decent looking art art, but it couldn't be saved by its moronic story. None of them could be, actually. If you thought ZTD was bad these games are amateurish and far worse in how they take the reader for a moron. Head AS code puzzles had no reason to exist or to be so easy. Worst offender probably is the zodiac trial though. It's funny how I often saw you criticize Uchikoshi, Kodaka or or Ryukishi in these threads, only to shill games with the same story beats, moronation, childish use of tropes but with none of the polish nor soul. I hate you for making me lose around 40 hours of my life because I wanted to be open-minded and give EVNs a try instead of shunning you away like all decent posters in these threads.
This short indie flash game from 10 years ago (western, before you pop a blood vessel) understood how to make stories engaging with almost no art and appropriate sound design and music compared to all the titles on your list.
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/615863
the post above this one is from an autist who hates anime-styled games and doesn't recommend anything worth a shit, not a single one of those games is anything more than decent and several are dogshit
add him to your filters and thank me later bros
The post above this one is indeed from an autist.
the only reason why I'd remotely agree is that I did not find Zodiac Trial fun and it's the only one I tried.
with that said I wouldn't say Cuthbert is a joke spinoff.
stfu troony go peddle your shovelware somewhere else
>with that said I wouldn't say Cuthbert is a joke spinoff.
it literally never takes itself seriously and just plays into being an aa-ripoff too much with shit writing and bad character designs as a bonus
We'll agree to disagree there, but I will admit its obviously not as good as most of the mainline entries, it could use less irony in its writing.
yeah that makes sense, I'll do just that in future threads.
zodiac trial is fine but nothing noteworthy, he just specifically goes out of his way to post that list with nothing changed and rails against anyone who talks about things he doesn't like in response to his list. ignore his posts and move on friend. look at how he replied to me already, he fixates and can't let go
the first game is pretty lame so i look forward to finally seeing the second
>the first game is pretty lame so i look forward to finally seeing the second
Played both, the first one is much better, still this is a full from the ground one remake of both so anything could happen, but I just didn't like the second's setting and story
>hates anime-styled games
Oh you're the sperg asslicker who can't handle people disliking Danganronpa. Well you've never approached a thread in good faith or genuinity. Thanks for constantly bringing attention to my list despite how much you seem to hate me, given all this kooky shit you make up.
dude i don't like danganronpa at all and you are fricking insane and assuming everyone who (rightfully) considers you a dipshit is the same person
this will be your last (You)
the ending is great because it's stupid actually
Her game is getting rereleased
Ashley is coming back!
going back to "Mystery" discussions, I remember playing the demo for "Inescapable" and was not impressed, now that the game is out I see a lot of mixed reviews on it and discussion seems to mostly be "It's overpriced"
what does anyone else think?
take it to
Black person it's a literal videogame not an porno cartoon.
and it looks like a awful videogame on top of that
troony frick
>if you hate a game that has a troony character in it then you are a troony
peak Ganker logic, go have a nice day because you will NEVER be a woman.
It's some /vn/spawn who headcanons every EVN being a porn game for some reason. Like Summertime Saga.
It's simply a visual novel written natively in English. The first death game novel and "random homies escape from a room" television story were in English, even.
I've seen some of it and it's pretty bad. The game has next to no stakes, takes forever to get anything going with its plot, and wants you to care about its characters. It devotes a lot of time to expanding on characters DR-style, but just like DR, it's pretty shallow. I'd say it's done better than DR but it's not saying much. This shit has routes too so you need to replay a bunch of game to see everything and it's pretty long. Not something I'd recommend based on what I've seen, maybe it gets good near the end but I doubt that.
>dude you do all this because I say you did
>you're insane
sasuga
Paranormasight was pretty good. I can't believe SE even made it.
I just wish key exposition and even the ending weren't just 3000 word updates to each character's bio as their roles in the story ends. Game just ends with a 3 minute long epilogue.
>"Ace Attorney dead"
Collection came out a year ago and another one is releasing in January. Ace Attorney 7 was leaked and Apollo Trilogy was also in the capcom leak
>"Danganronpa dead"
Rain code!!!!!!
>"Zero Escape dead"
AI: Somnium Files sequel was just last year! enjoy the spin-off
>"Ghost Trick dead"
One and done series that got a remaster just a few months ago
>"AI: Somnium Files dead"
AI: Somnium Files sequel was just last year!
>"Rain Code never alive to begin with"
Nah, you're just mad that Rain Code isn't on PlayStation, homosexual.
>AI: Somnium Files sequel was just last year! enjoy the spin-off
What spinoff?
He's saying that Somnium is the spin off to Zero Escape. It's a dumb argument, Zero Escape currently is dead.
What do you mean that Danganronpa doesn't require logical deductions from the player?
You're right. Somnium, like Zero Escape, is a spinoff of the infinity series.
AA died because of fujotroons
Athena and Apollo are good characters trapped in shit games.
Athena is Kay Faraday 2.0 right down to magic technology boondongle and murdered parent
only she was protaganist for no discernible fricking reason instead of an assistant
and it sucks so bad
athena is great. I love her stupid wienery teef.
I can't get into Danganronpan, it felt like the weakest from those, its a boring game, at least everything else need some kind of logical deduction from the player to progress, Dangan its just a walking simulator. I wish i could like it, but it's truly bad.
I can't take dangan story sersiously because teenagers having superpowers sound so fricking dumb
Think YTTD will finally be finished by the end of the year? Has Nankidai said anything about it yet?
>being sold on steam
>has new pre game events content
>literally not finished
i refuse to purchase until it's done.
for real. it may be promising but it's like releasing a mystery novel with the back half missing for full price and promising you'll post the rest a few years later when i've forgotten everything and stopped giving a frick.
I'm not sure I even want another AA after how terrible SoJ was.
it was good tho
It's a fricking chore to play and doesn't have a single good case. Even the fricking finale sucks, which is something even the mess that was DD was able to get right.
>doesn't have a single good case.
wrong
>pic unrelated
nta, every case in Nepal was dog shit
all the cases not in Nepal were dog shit and also worthless filler
half of case 5 being a filler trial against worthless literal who in your picrel in the most contrived and unearned showdown between established chars
Divination seances are cool
SoJ is the second best game in the series, stay mad about it
I'm glad more people are calling out SoJ these days. For some reason it was very well received here when it was new but I always disliked it. From the very start when they introduce Phoenix as some kind of superhero, the game was just a total embarrassment in writing.
SoJ was great. takumi-gays need to get it through their head that he's not in charge of mainline AA anymore
>kills series
>"great"
kek, secondary-kun is so mad that his first game was the dogshit one
>kills series
>one of the best selling entries
>dd right before is the literal best selling entry in the west
>confirmed sequel that was fricked by covid timeline
>new trilogy getting people up to speed
>localized TGAA due to the high sales and interest
god what is it like living in a fantasy land where you deny fact and pretend it doesn't exist
>mentally ill fanboy is upset
Lmao the projection.
Stay upset.
dead
there's a new danganronpa coming out in about a year
>troonyneko
dead
https://store.steampowered.com/app/384630/Aviary_Attorney/
What about this one?
it's alright but the devs promised more shit that never happened and vanished
ENTER
Name one good aspect aside from the art being decent
I believe there's a romance route for the cute girls?
honestly the demo sucked but i'll buy it for half price just to see how it ends up.
Feel kinda bad for them tbh, it seems like Aksys thought this would be a bigger hit too. They're releasing it on Switch, PS, and Xbox too.
>he didn't like tricks or gimmicks
unironic awful taste.
Thoughts?
Is that fricking shuiichi
Basically.
It's awful.
go back to your general danganautist
i didn't think paradise killer was that bad but i suppose that's fair if you're judging it as a mystery game. i wouldn't recommend it for that genre, but for me it was enough to enjoy the worldbuilding and art direction.
No Ultra Despair Girls?
Not a mystery game
>no Sekimeiya
It should be at least C tier for its sheer autism. And drop Rain Code like 2 or 3 tiers down, it fricking sucked.
>Sekimeiya
Sekimeiya deserves S tier for its sheer autism. well sort of. Its pretty much S tier if you enjoy the intense levels of autism present, but its probably an F tier for anyone else. I loved it but I don't think I'd ever recommend it to anyone.
Haven't read it but I heard that it lacks real characters, themes or depth in those regards, although it has a very good mystery that can be solved. Is that true? Because if it is then it's good for me
It has like 3 characters that have some amount of depth. The rest of the cast is a mix of somewhat fun but devoid of depth, and meh/boring, but never anyone outright offensively bad.
The mystery itself is solvable but its incredibly hard. It involves time travel so if anything supernatural puts you off then you should not bother. The time travel follows extremely strict rules, however the game does not tell you those rules until the end of the game, so if you want to solve the mystery yourself you need to take notes on how the time travel works, be aware that what characters say/think happened may not be correct and keep an eye out for inconsistencies to piece together how the time travel works, what everyone's motivations are etc. Its incredibly autistic, but incredibly brilliant. Would highly recommend to any devoted mystery autist who loves taking notes and trying to solve almost impossible but technically possible bullshit, would not recommend to someone who wants to turn their brain off and enjoy a casual fun VN.
>Would highly recommend to any devoted mystery autist who loves taking notes and trying to solve almost impossible but technically possible bullshit
That's what mystery is all about, I'm in.
enjoy it anon. take your time and keep notes on anything suspicious. the game quizes you at the end and keeps score on how many things you got right. I think there's like 80 things...
My main complaint with Sekimeiya, which I've posted about 2 or 3 times here before, is that when the rules are revealed everything is made much more complex, not simpler. In Infinity games, its main inspiration, when you get the twist there's this cathartic moment when everything about what happened before just clicks. Ever17? You are the Blick Winkel. That explains it. Remember11? There were 3 locations and it was the babbies, that explains it. Sekimeiya? Hold on a minute, where were the real stones at each moment, how close they were to each other, how were they charged etc etc.
I agree with that complaint. I just respect the sheer levels of autism of the dev for going through with making it more complex. I personally got filtered by the two sekimeiya overlapping to travel between worlds and the stupid time travel formula that atsuki cooks up after using time travel to experiment for like a billion years. But despite that I still solved a lot of the smaller mysteries myself and had a good time with it, although it could stand to be slightly less autistic, then again without the full autism it would not be as memorable even if it was better because of it.
I actually heavily agree with this lsit. Great job, although I would make a tier between C and D only for The somnium files.
i never understand people who have the most generic status quo opinions feeling the need to make a chart or a video like "i have to get my voice out there heard i gotta make this thing!!!!"
horrendous generic ranking that reads like "im an npc with no indepedent thought and just parroting what the loudest autists on Ganker say"
Just don't reply to it.
How is ZTD on the same level as AAI1?
Raging Loop is that low?
its on my list to play
Raging Loop was fine imo. The mystery part is very engaging and the werewolf games are peak. The ending mystery solutions and such were kinda lame though.
Do read it, it's great
>AA5 that hight
>AAI2 that low
>somehow both are in the same tier
You must have brain damage so I will not be taking your opinion on any of these games.
First AI should be in B if not A. It's better than first Danganronpa, that's for sure.
>lol porno mags ROFL
>Japanese humor
>epic Marvel dance ending
>reusage of infinity twists
AI and Danganronpa can both be and are utter contemptable garbage.
i have never heard of it.
>dude suicide LMAO
Can't believe I forced myself to finish this garbage
>Higurashi over and raped anew
>Umineko over and raped long ago
>Ciconia on hiatus until world peace is achieved because Ryukishi is some peacemongering autistic
>I haven't started writing my own detective/mystery story yet
Owari da...
Don't mind me, just being the Great Master of all of them.
Shill it
ARG on a Grand Scale. You learn about free macon, crusaders, crypto israelites, and shit. Also, the villain is basically Jigsaw.
Sherlock Holmes is still going strong.
someone redpill me on Sekimeiya
Bill and Ted-style time travel.
no clue what Bill and Ted is supposed to mean
the single most complicated story you will probably ever read
if you are coming into it to solve shit that is exactly what you are getting and if you are coming into it wanting anything else you might get a bit but not a lot
>dual destinies
>spirit of justice
>danganronpa 3
>ace attorney vs professor layton
>ai sommium files
>zero escape
yeah they all died for good reason, maybe should stay dead
stfu EVN troony
dont even know what that means. use your big words, and your own words little high school zoomer
Spirit of Justice is great
Danganronpa V3 is the best in the series (which isn't to say much)
AA vs Layton was fun
homosexual
>Danganronpa V3 is the best in the series (which isn't to say much)
How to throw an opinion into the trash. Unless V3 was your very first DR game, I cannot imagine stomaching it
>Spirit of Justice is great
No, its abject trash.
>D3 is the best in the series
lol
>not to say much (implying its not a good series)
lol
>aa vs layton is fun
to be an effective troll you have to be more subtle
fricking objection.
in my experience given your behavior and my response to it the opposite is obviously true. trolling is taking refuge in audacity inherently
gonna be real honest, i just immediately hid your post without reading. you had a chance to engage in a serious conversation and just went with low effort, high schooler level trolling. you missed your chance to have a real discussion, i just cant waste any more of my life on someone so beneath me
>Danganronpa V3 is the best in the series (which isn't to say much)
No. Do say it.
What makes you think V3 is the best game in the bunch? I don't think it had a shred of creativity in it.
Hopeman's case is still the best, but I enjoyed V3 more overall.
Also case 6 was only mildly shit instead of absolute shit like with the other two games.
That didn't really answer my question though. There are 6 cases in the game, just repeating what had already been done in previous games. The logics employed in V3 also jumps the rails way too fast and way too far. (e.g. the "I know everything you will say and do because...???" script and the Necronomicon)
>Also case 6 was only mildly shit instead of absolute shit like with the other two games.
The only case I think is shit is DR2s, but that's mainly because of wasted potential. V3's can be worse or better, but I don't care for the endings anyway.
>Danganronpa V3 is the best in the series.
Even if you really REALLY like the ending, there is still another 35 hours of game before then, anon.
hotel dusk and jake hunter games any good? they seem like boring shit but the 3 people on earth who played them say theyre good
Tyrion Cuthbert is like a porn game with no porn
dual destinies and spirit of justice are so inconceivably bad its astonishing.
Careful anon, the schizo is gonna feel suicidal reading this.
And by careful, I mean keep going. Kek.
>>god what is it like living in a fantasy land where you deny fact and pretend it doesn't exist
>no new game in 8 years
HAHAHAHAH
>8 years
>2017
anon please i know you're stupid but you can AT LEAST do subtraction
>IT'S ONLY BEEN 6* YEARS (*7 years, since next year won't have a new game either)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
idk anon you seem way more mad than the other anon
>is so mad he starts samegayging to cope
HAHAHAHHA
why do people hate Dual Destinies so much? I don't think its great but its certainly enjoyable
because it marked a shift in the series. people cannot accept that the AAI and AAI2 team was put in charge of the main series because Takumi wanted to make the 3DS spin offs.
regardless of their quality, they cannot accept it due to the writing style changes for how the mysteries were written.
the takumi written ones were about chipping away at one single theory from the prosecutor who keeps amending it yet sticks with the exact same general concept the whole case
whereas the yamazaki written ones were about dismantling a theory by presenting your own theory to counteract it before the prosecutor comes up with a new theory that uses the information you just proved.
tl;dr Takumi prosecutors stick to one idea and never budge on the main point, Yamazaki prosecutors are more flexible with abandoning their theories to come up with better ones
I never realized the difference between how each writer wrote prosecutors until you just pointed it out.
i think the best cases that shows the difference in mystery writing between the two writers is Magical Turnabout vs. Turnabout Serenade.
both of them involve a magic trick on stage but how the mystery is written is night and day
>because Takumi wanted to make the 3DS spin offs.
Not really, he sorta got pressured into doing VS. He wanted to do AA5 but had to do VS first.
Because it was a colab between 2 companies, the project was way bigger, with a lot of conflicting ideas on the direction of the game.
This resulted in development taking way longer than intended.
Capcom didn't want to wait anymore and the spinoffs were selling less and less, so the series producer had Yamazaki team make AA5 instead of AAI3.
Takumi getting DGS after VS was legit just an apology for taking the mainline series away from him.
voice acting is gay
anime cutscenes are gay
overall attempt to be more like generic eee baka anime
writing taking a massive, massive plunge
logical failures all throughout
over explain, dont trust players to figure things out
shitty emotion mechanic
generic anime tropes esp case 3
many things just unexplained in a series where you have to understand basic rules (example, not being being clear about whether mayor guy is actually a bird yokai in case 2)
new characters, esp blackquil and athena, are both designed and written horrendously
cases, evidence, writing, etc are no longer designed in such a way that lets you speculate, but now in a way that requires just pushing a to get told what happened
appeals to the morons in the audience who dont care about logic, good puzzles, good writing, etc and just go "dude the freakouts xD"
music is not up to par
basically, everything?
DARK AGE OF THE LAW is moronic.
(spoiler vision in case someone hasn't played them all)
guy who blackmails everyone he can in law enforcement for years didn't cause it, prosecutor who used dirty tricks to maintain a perfect record and committed murder over a penalty didn't cause it, Chief of Police killing a prosecutor and blackmailing his ex-partner-now-Chief-Prosecutor into fixing cases for two years didn't cause it, head of the Prosecutorial Investigation Committee literally putting ANY AND ALL EVIDENCE UP FOR SALE didn't cause it. But just one piece of forged evidence and one prosecutor accused of (a single) murder made everyone give up their faith in the law.
Another Code remakes tho
SoJ is really good except Nahyuta fricking sucks and I'm tired of people mindlessly shitting on the game
SoJ is in the upper half of AA but not much more than that.
>Prologue is solid
>Chapter 2 is the best in the game for sure. More worthy of a final case than the actual final case.
>Chapter 3 is solid
>Chapter 4 is hilarious
>Chapter 5 is garbage
Based on this, you'd probably think this is a damn good game. It is, if you take the cases in a vacuum, but it's tied together by a plot that makes no sense, and exists because the villain is an outrageous moron who had no business losing. It's the kind of narrative where the writers want to beat the big bad gubmint but must make everyone short of the protagonist as irrational as can be. That includes the famous Phoenix assassination. Even chapter 4 was basically a filler case. TGAA has a similar problem, but at least the mastermind wasn't literally all-powerful.
TLDR: SoJ could have been the second best main game if the overarching story wasn't dumb as bricks and a glorified vehicle to shill Apollo.
i just stomached myself through chapter 3 and its been horrible so far. not as bad as DD but was holding out hope the last 2 cases were good, but even defenders are here saying the last 2 cases are bad huh
You might like case 4. Like I said, it's really funny and there's some decent bants between the characters. It's just totally irrelevant to the plot.
the thought of humor, coming from the people who wrote DD and the first 3/5 of this game, frightens me
>Case 2
>More worthy of a final case than the actual final case.
>It's a short as frick case with a bland case 2 type villain with incredibly bad references to AA:AJ that amount to nothing.
lol
lmao even
people who hate the AJ, DD and SoJ trilogy are just fujo fans who are made their series is less about two male childhood friends and more about straight up mystery solving again.
they can't make up gay shit about it anymore so they refuse to acknowledge it
>not listing layton
sad
people defending DD and SoJ are not even worth entertaining. its just not an opinion i can take seriously enough to engage in an argument with. its like someone coming in the room saying "pig feces is delicious, its better than any steak or pasta". its just an obvious troll or someone really messed up in the head
>its just an obvious troll or someone really messed up in the head
It's the later. It's secondaries that played the shitty games on their heckin' 3DS as their first entries.
Who then got perma butthurt when people were pointing out how laughable they were.
look at
for an actual troll opinion
>it's the secondaries
i played AA1, 2, 3 and 4 on the DS and I love the 3DS ones you absolute mongoloid homosexual
the only bad case in SoJ is Case 4. I don't know how anyone could hate Case 3 unless they're deliberately going in with an intent to have a bad time
don't bother, these complete frickers view everything in black and white and have divided the AA franchise into 123/456 in their minds. they are incapable of comprehending someone liking both
>troll opinion
>overwhelming positive for 70~80% of the series
>calls dd and soj shit for being shit
lol that other anon is right, you are just butthurt about being a zoomer and people calling these games from your childhood being shit
>"I-I totes am a fan!!!!! I totally played the games!!!!!!"
>first post is histronically dilating about the creator of the series he allegedly likes
Secondary-kun, you're moronic to your core. kek
So you're a secondary, lel.
Your attempts at samegayging are cute, secondary-kun.
2 of those 3 are not me
I know AAI anon, I didn't call you 'Secondary-kun' for a reason.
no moron the first and third one are not me, the second one is
no you aren't you dumb moron, I'm the 2nd one.
>hating case 4
Off yourself homie. Blackquill actually makes Sad Monk a fun character somehow
I started with investigations.
AA1 10/10
AA2 10/10
AA3 10/10
AA4 6/10
AAI1 8/10
AA2 8/10
AAvPW 4/10
AA5 1/10
AA6 1/10
Havent played DGS yet
AHERM....
>the captain did it
Woooow, so hard to solve
Kino deduction game
Am I the only one who found this to be no fun? Maybe it's because my brain isn't suited for it, I kept getting stuck and unmotivated.
Glad you love it though.
>Make 2 incredibly popular and iconic games as a solo dev
>new game gets stuck in development hell for a meme handheld
>50 years old
Anyone tried Scene investigators yet? by the same people who did the painscreek killings.
Don't worry. I'm working on a new mystery game.
Good luck anon. Few people are willing to try EVNs, and most will trash it to no end out of pure spite.
Thanks, anon.
I plan on translating it to Japanese by myself.
So you'll be using anime designs? It should sell then.
Yes. I'll try my best to avoid the dreaded "Tumblr art style."
Ace Attorney was in the Capcom leak, it'll be announced soon, right?
Right?
I honestly doubt I would've bought AA5 if it was an actual sequel to AA4, AA5 was still bad mind you, but good lord I hated Apollo so much bros its surreal.
>if AA5 was an actual sequel, this homosexual wouldn't plague this threat
man, DD is still finding new ways to fricking suck 10 years later
keep malding bro, you will never be a woman and AJ will never get a true sequel.
>Secondary-kun upset
>starts thinking about trannies
what did he mean by this
apollo justice had like 2 decent cases and then was really boring.
thats a godsend compared to dd and soj where i just feel like i want to set myself on fire from how cringe-inducing and horrible the writing it. like im the human incarnation of the angry otter eating watermelon picture playing those games.
give me boring AJ any day of the week over that shit
but anon don't you like the dork age of the law & DC Act
Phoenix Wright must neglect his daughter to save the world!!!!
It's so fricking depressive because we NEED said mystery games / VNs to then get adapted into anime or movies.
There's virtually no mystery anime, except for adaptations that are considered subpar. Higurashi, Kara no Shoujo, Umineko, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa.. The anime for all of those pales in comparison with the real thing.
But now they're not even producing the real thing, it fricking sucks.
>higurashi, umineko
>good
ok lets not get crazy
>Ace Attorney
I'd argue it's more entertaining to watch the plots of AA than playing the games
Yes but the darker cases hit far harder in the games than the anime, the emotional investment, details and OST aren't even comparable even if the anime is still a worthy watch.
V3 Chapter 4 was bad. there was literally no evidence pointing to Gonta before Kokichi just went "ackshually it's gonta"
there was circumstantial evidence regarding the toilet paper and it being near Gonta but the characters didn't even point that out until Oma said it.
i remember that being one of the easiest cases to figure out, with the trouble of him getting the headset on and then having no ingame alibi. not a bad case. the sister gay jumping on a board was moronic and case 5 was trash
Near every case in V3 is varying levels of bad.
Case one has some technical issues but is otherwise inoffensive. The fandom glorifies the hell out of it because muh waifu though.
Case two had a dominant blackened but the case suffers from "why did you need to do this again?" syndrome that backfires in a bad way.
Case three was probably the best of all the DR case threes but, again, "why did you need to do this again?" hurt way more than helps.
Case five is a logistics disaster. None of it makes sense and relies on literally shutting your brain off to enjoy any of it. Even by DR standards
I actually thought Case Six was alright.
>why did you need to do this again?
holy crap that really is a big deal and for some reason i only just noticed it out, 2 and 3 in general have this issue but 3 atleast has an "I'm le Insane" angle for it, 2's killer had no reason to carry out their plans in the way they did.
Case 4 has a similar problem. When you hear of Kokichi's motives in Case 5, it retroactively makes you question why he did what he did in Case 4. V3 suffers heavily from questionable decisions on the part of the writers. I stand by DR1 having some boring trials, but I'm not sure the characters ever acted inconsistent with themselves. I think DR2 was similar, save the case where they were literally brainwashed.
That and more
>Kokichi's plan relies on Maki poisoning him with a slow-acting toxin, which runs a double assumption of her not hitting a vital or killing him on the spot.
>Assumes that Kokichi can somehow predict everything that everyone will say and do right down to the letter until Junko was mentioned
>Was able to block Monokuma with a signal jamming device (decided to kill the person who created this instead of using this very important technology to find a way to neutralize Monokuma instead)
It's just so weird.
In addition
>Maki suddenly deciding to betray all of you for no reason for her own frickup.
>Shuichi understanding that Kokichi is trying to create an unsolvable murder, and yet going through with solving them urder anyway, and then at the end of if it, backs out because of what he just realized at the start of the trial.
>Kaito, one of the dumbies of the group, managed to pull off a convincing larp of Kokichi, while reading a script that he just learned about not even a day ago, while suffering from a life threatening debilitating illness, never breaking character once. Even the game tried to handwave it by saying "When it went off script I improvised..."
> WE ALL KNOW KOKICHI IS THE MASTERMIND
How does V3 manage to have 2 of the worst trials in the entire series in it's own game.
Case 5 annoyed me because the hydraulic press wouldn't be as fast as it was. it's called hydraulic for a reason, it wouldn't be slow for 95% of it, then suddenly go fast like a stamp machine
>Case one has some technical issues but is otherwise inoffensive.
Case one is the worst trial in the entire franchise and is objectively bad because the game itself lies to your face with no justification or reason.
All of the evidence in the case points to Kokichi or Gonta, but since Kokichi couldn't commit the crime it had to be Gonta. Kokichi even makes you determine the culprit by the process of elimination.
>Maki, Keebo, and Himiko could not access the rooftop where she was killed
>Kaito was logged out prior to the murder and as long as the cause of death was strangling he couldn't have done it
>Shuichi and Tsumugi had airtight allibis
>Kokichi wasn't allowed to touch Miu
The only person that is capable of killing Miu at that point is Gonta.
OBVIOUSLY when you know it's Gonta the evidence points to him, but before that it didn't. it wasn't until the game straight up planted Gonta in your head, at that point it was circumstantial
Then who do you think the evidence points to before Kokichi reveals that it's Gonta?
i thought Miu was planning a murder but slipped and got caught with the toilet paper and choked herself out. and kokichi tampered with the scene
Okay, so you're saying she botched a murder and killed herself instead? Ignoring how she would kill herself with the toilet paper because I don't think that would be possible, how would Kokichi have moved the body? He still can't touch her avatar.
by pushing the lattice she was on
How would she get on the lattice without Kokichi touching her while also choking herself? You can't choke yourself to death, she would pass out at some point and stop. I think she could hang herself with the toilet paper, but she could only hang herself from the rooftop, not on it.
i thought she was setting up the lattic, got the toilet paper caught on it, and basically choked herself to death and was unable to unwrap it
How would that work? In order to land on the lattice, it would either have to be standing upright and Miu would fall onto it, or it would have been on the ground already and Miu would also fall on it while choking. If it's standing upright, how would she get the toilet paper caught on not only the lattice but have it wrap around her neck and get the other end caught on the lattice as well? Once she falls onto the lattice the toilet paper would loosen up a bit since Miu would be closer to the lattice and it wouldn't be choking her at that point. If the lattice is already on the ground, how would Miu even possibly frick up by getting it wrapped around her neck? If she tripped and the roll flew up in the air, at most it could land on the back of her neck but would just hit the ground. It wouldn't magically wrap around her neck.
further elaboration: it's literally 100% the same but instead of gonta choking her, she choked herself by accident
All the aggression aside, I'm going to be honest and say that I need more of this genre.
>Umineko/Higu
>Dangan
>AA
>YTTD
>ZE
That sort. They have their flaws for sure but the mystery scenario is my favorite. It doesn't seem like there's much out there anymore. Or at least, it seems the popular ones have died out. Rain Code and Raging Loop were the last ones I played
It's such a small genre that they reference / inspire each other. Were the authors actual geniuses? Maybe it's hard to get writers who can craft those stories? Maybe it's a really niche thing, to be a mystery / logic writer AND be working in the gaming industry
You could check out some of the games here
unless you have some sort of autistic aversion, I guess.
A realistic art style doesn't necessarily have to be "tumblr" but it sure gets umbrella'd into it.
Play Gnosia if you want a mafia style game (offline)
V3 left me with the impression that Kodaka was tired of Danganronpa before we even got to the last case. That's always a bad sign.
>AI: Somnium Files dead
Uchikoshi has been pretty open about wanting to make a third game. As long as 2 didn't flop on an extreme level, it'll probably happen.
>Rain Code never alive to begin with
Didn't it sell 300k in a month? That's probably more than enough for them to get a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already green-lit. It'll get more sales once it goes multiplat too.
Somnium 2 didn't flop. they reused 90% of the locations from the previous game and all the character models and all the music. most of the budget for the game went into mocap for all the animations.
The only way Uchi can make me buy a AI game again is if he makes a prequel with Date/Aiba as the protagonist
Nothing against Mizuki but Date/Aiba made the first game and my interest is completely dependent on them
i want to see where Uchi goes after the reveal that the world actually was a simulation (though I assume it'll ignore that because only ryuki knows on one specific route)
>i want to see where Uchi goes after the reveal that the world actually was a simulation
wait really? the 13 Sentinels plot device?
maybe we are fine as we are
yes. after you finish the game you can go back to the beginning and give tokiko the number she tells you at the end, the entire world breaks and she says every single event in the entire game was designed by her with the intention of her escaping the simulation by telling her something you could not possible have known and causing a glitch.
let's just hope he makes a prequel 100%
>Play e17/r11 and you've experienced the sum of his narrative range.
I downloaded e17 years ago and never actually played it, gotta get to it sometime once I figure out why Joiplay refuses to play Renpy even with the plugin
There's zero chance he follows up off that, I just treat it as a fun easter egg.
Umineko fricking gets it, man...
Umineko was an experience.
Despite the bad rep it gets, god damn it was immersive and entertaining.
I've never been so intellectually stimulated
are there no good mystery games that let you play the "bad guy"? would be kino imo
That's the plot of birth me code. inb4 good/etc.
All Uchi ever does is rip off his old twists. Play e17/r11 and you've experienced the sum of his narrative range.
>Rain Code never alive to begin with
homie it has one game and there's tons of potential there as long as they keep the good chemistry among the main characters and refine the minigames
the puzzle sucks but the logic battles are neat
Are any of the dangan-likes good?
Pic related seems promising.
This game has a strong production that seems almost on-par with V3. I have no idea how they have the dedication and money but it's technically very good. That's the best I can say because the characters are almost entirely unlikable or on the nose. You really need to wait and see for this one.
Currently, the only good Dangan"likes" are Your Turn to Die (is this ever finishing) and the Another Duology. The latter is better than the main games imo
I liked the demo, it has a lot of potential. Also the music is surprisingly good.
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it only has a prologue (with a mock trial so every character can participate in at least one) and a chapter 1 is coming around late this year to early next
Is Rain Code's main cast the best in the Kodaka games? They seem like a general improvement over the DR ones. Even Yuma isn't such a b***h and has some action scenes.
The main cast is a lot smaller and most of them are only relevant for one chapter. I don't see what makes them better than the average Danganronpa cast.
Mainly because they're better versions of the tropes Kodaka usually writes, with no sugar-coating their problems. Use tbhhiko as an example. The pervert loser like Leon and Kaz. Unlike them, he's a pervert who also happens to have dimensions and a degree of competence to him.
Besides, it's not like the average DR character matters for more than 1 chapter. Usually, they're vapid.
It gave us airhead extreme
My only complaint is that almost everyone wears a shade of black or grey
I mean look at this color palette
what the frick
maybe its just a lack of saturation of the style
holy schizo
at least it keeps the thread alive
The longest blood feud of Ganker "Autist that hates AA5/6, and Autist that hates "AA4/5/6 but in a slightly different order" I can't wait until one of them leaves, it's been like two years.
Crazy thing is they could be friends if AA4 never existed.
Damn AA4 was also the only one I didn't like and actually dropped.
AA4 is cursed
Naked Maya Fey
the best
Maya Fey more like Maya Feet
>game is dead
>game is not a service like a moba or mmo
ok
Ghost Trick is standalone and that's fine and how it should be.
I'd be fine with that if these devs were releasing other good mystery games, but it's really only Rain Code
play Dyscronia
SEX WITH MAYA
SEX WITH MIA
SEX WITH FRANCISKA
SEX WITH ATHENA
SEX WITH LYNNE
Not with Junko or Akane?
No.
Because i hate reading and memorizing all that shit
>don't play mystery game for a month
>lose all progress because you forgot everything
no wonder why the genre died
>>AI: Somnium Files dead
wut? the last game came out a year ago and I don't remember any statements saying that this is the definitive end for the franchise.
you also forgot that your turn to die still isn't finished
Because only autists care about these mystery VNs. Unfortunately for you, you reside within an echo chamber of autists, so you can't fathom any other way.
All of the series in OP are normiecore, you don't know what a truly autistic mystery VN is like.
I wish the board game minigame thing had been more involved.
after like three scenarios i realized the board game wouldn't be used very much so that's half of why i dropped it.
cause damn it sounds like there's a lot you could do with it.
https://vocaroo.com/18XoACU0oXlT
What a poorly-drawn image.
I know that it's only somewhat related to what OP wants but I miss playing Attorney Online with anons, is that server still up
Ace Attorney's getting a 2nd trilogy remake, depending on its sales we might get a 7th game. Also, the Great Ace Attorney's re-release wasn't too long ago.
Danganronpa is finished, not dead.
Ghost Trick only works as a one off but it did get a remake so who knows where that will lead.
Ai Somnium Files isn't dead, there just isn't any news for a 3rd game yet.
I haven't played Rain Code yet but I'll get to it eventually.
>AI: Somnium Files dead
and good fricking riddance!