He's wrong. I don't fear invaders. I just hate them and know they gain nothing from invading other than being a dick.
I'd be far more inclined to get invaded and pvp with invaders if Invading netted the Invader anything to warrant invading in the first place.
With out that unique incentive to invade. Invading just makes you an butthole to anyone just trying to play the fricking game.
Easier for who? and how? Can't pull out the bell for Invasions. People who get invaded aren't specked to deal with frenzy meta. The devs kept patching and balancing shit for PVP homosexualry into the PVE portion of the game until Arena happened.
Whoopie fricking doo. I may have 1 or 2 people with me. Means fricking nothing to a frenzied tumble weed looking to be a colossal dick inhaling homosexual for a Single Rune Arc and 20 runes.
It's an enemy type you can learn to defeat. Vyke's War Spear is very limited, trust me.
Hint: The running attacks & skill jump have massive recovery windows you can punish with any ranged option or gap closer.
You realize I'm talking about the spell that makes anyone near you go into frenzy right? The one where if you put it on all you have to do is abuse dodge i-frames and just roll around like sonic the fricking hedgehog and everyone around you dies of frenzy.
...that's even easier. After the first time you should know when to get away and just punish the frick out of him with whatever can fly out of your hand/staff/bow.
You damn fricking well the people who invade in frick busted meta setups don't do it for blood palace entry. You can enter that place with specifically placed npc Invasion locations.
I only invaded three times in my playthrough which I did mostly this month. All three times I ended up somewhere in Liurnia because that's my level range. I won twice and lost once. I was by no means in any kind of meta setup.
>they gain nothing from invading
how do i even answer this, Ganker? "read a book?" i'm actually a little taken aback here by his moronic statement lmao. like, this is something a bitter woman would say and believe
In comparison to earlier games where you would be rewarded with unique spells, weapons, and items via the Covenants for PvPing ER does feel anemic in that regard.
Like I can clearly see in my minds eyes a version of the volcano manor where the rewards were tied to player invasions and the reward for winning like 40 fights of midgame PvP was Getting to do Rykard Early.
Or a bloody finger covenant where some of the random blood rewards you get through the game were rewarded to you by Varre and the teleport emblem was the final reward.
Hell I could also see a Darkmoon style Covenant where you utilize Lyndell's vertical layout to avoid or hunt down players in the city.
Hell have Kenneth Haight knight you and make that the Blue Phantom Covenant or have the Roundtable do that.
There are many things that could be done that didn't happen.
Why does anyone invade in the first place? There is like one side quest in the game that requires you to invade. But the game has NPC signs on the floor you can touch to invade them. You gain nothing you don't already gain from Co-op if you invade.
The only reason anyone invades is to be a dick. Why should anyone allow getting invaded it serves no purpose to the invader or the invaded?
And least Prior Souls-like games gave you unique items you used to get spells and equipment. Elden Ring gives you runes and Rune Arcs The same shit everyone gets for Co-Oping or fricking up rats.
Serves the same PVP purpose. Except both parties was to fight each other instead of one party being a homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
invasions are fun, arena is not
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sounds like you just want to be a c**t to other people and not actually PVP. You want Player vs victim.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i like being invaded and invading
1 year ago
Anonymous
Nah mate. You just want to show up in your Frenzy build and waste someone's time.
If you wanted PVP you would just do the exact same thing in the arena.
1 year ago
Anonymous
arena is not invasions
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sure kid
1 year ago
Anonymous
yes
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Sounds like you just want to be a c**t to other people and not actually PVP. You want Player vs victim.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then you get to deal with people effectively blocking you from being able to do it. Deal with it the same way you forced people to deal with your Black persondom.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it's developer-condoned behavior though
1 year ago
Anonymous
who cares, deal with it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Who cares what the developer wants? I'm playing for me, not for them
1 year ago
Anonymous
>ugh... you're being a Black person by playing the game the way it's supposed to be played...
1 year ago
Anonymous
Same thing moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
sounds like you just enjoy killing noobs
pretty low effort buddy
clean your rooom
1 year ago
Anonymous
i like invading and being invaded
1 year ago
Anonymous
I do too. Where there is a point to it. Which there isn't one in Elden ring.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Being stuck in some shitty box >The same as battling in tunnels filled with traps and enemies
>why invade
Because it's funny.
It's funny to make a ridiculous-looking character and kill donutsteel dual katana wielders.
It's fun to frick around, like banging a pickaxe against a rock until the phantoms join in and the host cracks a whip while the summoned hunter observes in confusion.
It's fun to ambush people by hiding as a prop and jumping out of the disguise with a cartoonishly large hammer.
It's fun to shoot unaware hosts off of cliffs with a cannon.
It's just Looney Tunes slapstick.
i've not been able to find a solid explanation on how invasions/co-op works, if i invade does it toggle a switch somewhere that leaves me more open for invasion myself? (which would be fair i guess)
as a cooperator, if you help kill a boss, what do you get out of it exactly?
When there is a summoned co-op phantom in your world, the matchmaking will try to bring in an invader to balance out the difficulty.
Solo hosts can also use the Taunter's Tongue to accept invasions without needing a summon.
>as a cooperator, if you help kill a boss, what do you get out of it exactly?
You get runes from the boss to spend & level with and a rune arc to activate a great rune in your own world. Enemies also drop loot for summons in this game.
the pvp in elden ring was the absolute fricking worst it's ever been in these games. god fricking awful connections, and more cheese weapons and builds than ever before that every edgy tryhard uses
It's actually the absolute peak by a huge margin, especially in 1.08. >god fricking awful connections
That's your problem, unfortunately.
cool, figured as much and to clarify (because yes, i really am that dumb) If i use a severed finger to go hunting, it's not like "well dipshit, you wanted to gank someone, so now prepare to be ganked going forward" ? (but it sounds like that's what the taunter's tongue is does -- but it's on a per-use basis, not an ongoing increase in invasion odds)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, this isn't like DS2 where you just were liable to be invaded at any waking moment.
I can't remember if DeS & DaS1 had sin-based retributive systems like that; I know blues in 1 were supposed to invade reds' worlds as revenge, but I'm not sure if the covenant worked properly.
In Elden Ring, getting invaded is entirely opt-in, either by having people in your world helping you, or using that tongue. When you die, your friends go home, or deactivate the tongue, you can no longer be invaded. So you're free to chill and explore without fear.
>You get runes from the boss to spend & level with and a rune arc to activate a great rune in your own world. Enemies also drop loot for summons in this game.
You just explained why you get from PVP also. Making PVP pointless. Doing PVE helps advance the game for someone as well as give you a gurenteed amount of Runes and an arc.
PVP prevents advancement for a player and is a crapshoot on whether you get decent amount of runes and a arc.
See
[...]
For invaders, it's about the unique challenge, and from a game design perspective, it's about balancing the difficulty for co-op.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Unique Challenge
If it was really about that you would be fine with the Arena. But you all hate the Arena because you just want to frick up someone's day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
See
[...]
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah. did. And answered. You just want to be buttholes. It's why you refuse to do Arena. Because you fight other buttholes.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>illiterate anon can't comprehend fighting in asymmetrical, unpredictable environments
invaders have buck broken you
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sounds like a homosexual excuse Invader. >I want the thrill of it
The frick you do with your Frenzy build Moonveil wielding Bleed procing Crouching ultra greatsword poking ass.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The worst part is invaders cry about it being unfair when they lose absolutely nothing in the process of losing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
thanks for the explanation anon, appreciate it.
from games are notorious for having pretty severe consequences that are NOT laid out ahead of time -- but that makes sense, will give it a go later tonight. (of course i'll get my shit pushed in, i am terrible at this game and have shaky satellite internet, but it's fun)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Arena duels are probably the best way to learn the basics of PvP if you're new.
And also find out if it's even worth trying with satellite internet, kek
>You get runes from the boss to spend & level with and a rune arc to activate a great rune in your own world. Enemies also drop loot for summons in this game.
You just explained why you get from PVP also. Making PVP pointless. Doing PVE helps advance the game for someone as well as give you a gurenteed amount of Runes and an arc.
PVP prevents advancement for a player and is a crapshoot on whether you get decent amount of runes and a arc.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Nobody would care about PvP rewards even if they brought them to Elden Ring with an update. Invaders would just grind the miniscule amount needed to get every reward and go back to invading for fun within 3 days.
The only PvP reward that used to matter were Proof of Concord Kept in Dark Souls III, because they were notoriously hard to get - getting summoned as a blue was rare when everyone wanted to get summoned at the same time and due to hosts being their usual moronic selves and dying within seconds of your arrival.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I would care. I would actually do PVP for once. I always did PVP in other souls games because there was shit to earn. I have no incentive to PVP in elden ring other than to be a complete and utter prick.
I pick up Dark Souls 1 after watching a clip of someone invading another player. The concept was novel at the time and i don't think any other game did it the way souls does.
Because it’s fun, not everything needs to be tied to a reward. Personally I like being invaded and being the invader. Though I wish you didn’t need to constantly use an item to be invaded in single player.
>getting upset that normal people don't want to entertain your Black persondom
You don't gain anything out of invading. Be a man and play the game normally.
I see this thread every time I check on Ganker. How do you guys live like this? It's fricking purgatory except your mortal body and mind are slowly rotting. I implore you to at least stop posting in this thread.
Yeah... I don't get it. I can't get mad at OP because it's clearly something people want to discuss but at this point it must be over 50 threads hitting bump limit over a forum post. How is it still being talked about? What is it about this game that makes people lose their cool for literal months on end?
>fear of bad red man has killed coop
no
invading my world, cursing my character with hacks, corrupting my saves, and performing remote code execution on my system through an exploit in some garbage netcode did that
Don't care, not giving griefers, twinks, and hackers the satisfaction of playing with me. I'd rather play seamless co-op with my friends I've had since middle school.
>fromsoft promise that co-op won't be shit this time >jk it's exactly the same as all our other games, resummon your friend every time you do anything >wtf bro why is everyone installing this seamless coop mod instead?
Service issue.
As much as I love invasions, you're right. They've made no effort to tailor the summoning system to ER's world. As is it only works for the Mega Man-esque levels from DeS. Even in DaS1 it could get awkward.
>see these shitty threads popping up after doing another 3 hour invasion and taunter's tongue sessions
Everyone but Ganker have forgotten about this shitty mod
As much as I love invasions, you're right. They've made no effort to tailor the summoning system to ER's world. As is it only works for the Mega Man-esque levels from DeS. Even in DaS1 it could get awkward.
>2022 >still putting in p2p garbage in an online interactive game
they deserve everything they get
I mostly have positive experiences when invading or being invaded. Yesterday I invaded someone just to get Varre's quest done and both the host and his summon waved at me first, then the summon fricked off into some bushes to wait out the fight. Was pretty cool.
The worst part being Invasions or Colosseum? Because they are both the same. Just one isn't random and harassing people who don't want to deal with PVP.
Why do you gays get so fricking defensive about getting invaded? It's cool as frick fighting an actually competent butthole know and then instead of the shit in game enemies, learned a bunch of new play styles and loadouts thanks to invaders.
I hate it because there is no benifit to invading in any way.
Older games it was good and I actively engaged in it because you had covenants that gave you shit for invading.
Now you get nothing you could get off a fricking rat. it's a waste of everyones time.
>I hate it because there is no benifit to invading in any way. >Older games it was good and I actively engaged in it because you had covenants that gave you shit for invading.
Cope. I joined the forest hunters in DS1 just to watch the giant cats roll into people.
Only ones coping is you and your ilk. You guys are the ones b***hing that you have nobody to invade as everyone else found a way to avoid you homosexuals altogether.
[...] >Asymmetrical combat, the invader is outnumbered 3 to 1 plus any blues or resummons that can appear endlessly
Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed. And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host. So a Level 140 invader can pop up in a level 20's invaded's world so long as the invader hasn't progressed up after the Lift to the Plateau.
So Most invasions are 1 sided in favor of the invader who comes vastly over leveled to the invaded packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons, equipment, spells, and items the invaded can't hopefully deal with.
Regardless. Anyone defending Elden Ring Invasions are just huge homosexuals with hard-on's for fricking people over for no benefit other than an EGO boost and the reason they don't like the Arena/Colosseum is because they have to fight people of even standing instead of pubstomping new characters with cheese strats.
this is why People either no PVE at all and just Bell their way through the game or use mods to co-op in peace away from dickheads.
How funny is it not that you have nobody to PVP anymore other than people like yourself. Which you actively avoid.
sounds like you just enjoy killing noobs
pretty low effort buddy
clean your rooom
Because it's fun as hell. Getting a crew of randos together where everyone just knows what to do while being invaded is the hypes shit, from rushing a guy using exploding arrows, some guys that let me heal up and get ready before dueling or fighting a guy using hit and run tactics, hiding behind the enemies, using range items and the veil to great effect making me destroy every item before proceeding, fricker almost got me when he waited at the end of the level for a few minutes and I was absent mindedly breaking a barrel if he didn't miss. Lots of fond memories of the mechanic, guess I got lucky and havent had to deal with hackers. If anything, I hated how it was so shit in elden ring, same with regular coop. I played for ours and was just waiting to get reamed only to learn that you wont get invaded unless you coop or use an item every time you enter a new area or die. I couldnt be bothered to do either of those things, it annoyed the shit out of me, but when I did it was great.
They really should have, would have been loads better than the crap we got. Would either forget to do it or be so annoyed by it that I didn't for a while. Coop/invasions in elden ring just plain suck.
>Calls others 'babies' >Spends his time crying his eyes out online about how other people play >Those people are not only having fun but don't even know he exists and can't hear his cries
I don't invade and I agree, I liked invasions always. Sometimes it's a shitter, sometimes it's a tryhard sometimes it's a troll, but it's always a fun shakeup.
>noooo, you have to let me kill you with my overpowered weapons and spells!
I'm glad pvp in Souls games is dead and I hope it stays that way, pvpgays can die mad about it.
>Yeah, I invade because I want to punish co-op homosexuals (i have only seen homosexuals use co-op personally through my many hours of experience) and find that dedicating my time to this to be very fulfilling and, dare I say, fun! How could you tell?
>see these shitty threads popping up after doing another 3 hour invasion and taunter's tongue sessions
Everyone but Ganker have forgotten about this shitty mod
>From overbuffed fists to top tier >datamines are telling there's traces of some weirdo fist weapon in the code
Can't wait to invade shitters with bone fist 2.0 in a year
It's very entitled of you to want to force your "fun" on other players. In fact, it's basically rape culture. I will make sure that they never bring back the old invasion system because it would be like endorsing rape. PR will never greenlight invasions once this comparison is out. Seethe and cope.
>Well, Bubba, this is it. We've been invaded. There's literally no way we're ever going to progress through this level, not even with two of us. Not even if we called the po-lice. We simply stand no chance against the bad red man. >It's been an honor, sir.
>Asymmetrical combat, the invader is outnumbered 3 to 1 plus any blues or resummons that can appear endlessly
Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed. And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host. So a Level 140 invader can pop up in a level 20's invaded's world so long as the invader hasn't progressed up after the Lift to the Plateau.
So Most invasions are 1 sided in favor of the invader who comes vastly over leveled to the invaded packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons, equipment, spells, and items the invaded can't hopefully deal with.
Regardless. Anyone defending Elden Ring Invasions are just huge homosexuals with hard-on's for fricking people over for no benefit other than an EGO boost and the reason they don't like the Arena/Colosseum is because they have to fight people of even standing instead of pubstomping new characters with cheese strats.
this is why People either no PVE at all and just Bell their way through the game or use mods to co-op in peace away from dickheads.
I am not. I can't tell you how many times I've been invaded by multiple people using the exact same Frenzy build. When I haven't even gotten to a the fricking castle yet.
>Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed.
If the host is just running with one summon, he can buy the blue ring from Roundtable Hold and keep it on perpetually, ensuring an endless reinforcement of blues will fill that third slot within seconds.
>And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded.
It happens. But after a few times, you should be able to learn how to mitigate, counter, and overcome these strategies, just like LITERALLY anything else in this series. Invaders are much squishier and prone to mistakes when compared to elite enemies & bosses.
>invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host
Yes, they are. Invaders are matchmade to a host no more than 10% less than their level, and no more than 10 + 10%. For example, an RL 100 invader will be randomly assigned to a host between levels 90 to 120.
It has nothing to do with world progress.
>packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons
No. There's also a strict upgrade level range for invasions. For early upgrades, it's +-3 from the highest upgrade the invader character has ever owned. So, an invader who has touched at most a +3 weapon can match hosts with +6 weapons.
On the other hand, there is no such restriction for co-op phantoms besides a slight power adjustment down if they are way above the host's level. High level summons can easily 2-3 shot invaders with normal attacks while having plenty of defense & HP, as well as maximum upgrade weapons.
So for a password summon 420(!) levels higher than his host summon, he only loses: >10% HP >20% FP >3% Stamina
And keeps the stat requirements & carry weight for all his endgame gear.
I'm not sure if you're just emphasizing the point, or contending with it somehow.
I agree, it's babbymode. Don't you need at least one blue or invite invaders to get invaded? I always ran around with that key item active because it's kinda fun.
Most invaders are morons anyways.
It's the same with DaS1 too. You restore humanity so you can use the multiplayer system of the game. It's just homosexuals crying about "muh seamless coop".
Souls has its unique system and they should stop catering to the lowest common denominator and just do fun shit again. They tried in DaS2 but that game had some issues. DaS1 still has the furry covenant which lets several furries gangrape you if you dare to enter their magical forest, then you have the basement dwellers who would just raise the difficulty level of your game and made you look for their sign, etc.
Demon's Souls had the biggest c**ts and gave them the biggest c**t tools but it was fun. That was back when being a blue meant something
>When I haven't even gotten to a the fricking castle yet.
The castles aren't how progress is measured. They made that in DaS1, basically
[...] >Asymmetrical combat, the invader is outnumbered 3 to 1 plus any blues or resummons that can appear endlessly
Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed. And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host. So a Level 140 invader can pop up in a level 20's invaded's world so long as the invader hasn't progressed up after the Lift to the Plateau.
So Most invasions are 1 sided in favor of the invader who comes vastly over leveled to the invaded packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons, equipment, spells, and items the invaded can't hopefully deal with.
Regardless. Anyone defending Elden Ring Invasions are just huge homosexuals with hard-on's for fricking people over for no benefit other than an EGO boost and the reason they don't like the Arena/Colosseum is because they have to fight people of even standing instead of pubstomping new characters with cheese strats.
this is why People either no PVE at all and just Bell their way through the game or use mods to co-op in peace away from dickheads.
and that led to the shitload of twinks which led to Fromsoft develop brain damage and solely focus on twinks when working on the multiplayer system
the pvp in elden ring was the absolute fricking worst it's ever been in these games. god fricking awful connections, and more cheese weapons and builds than ever before that every edgy tryhard uses
Elden Ring was god awful and I hope we don't get another souls game until they figure out that 500000000000000000000000000 corridors with mushrooms at the end is a really fricking stupid idea.
>want to play with friends >everytime I do some dickhead with a pure meta build that has 5,000 hours into the game invades
oh boy thats real fun and balanced!
why do people always over exaggerate like this, i came back to DS3 6 years later and everytime i got invaded it was fine.
the only game where there was a clear smurf was on DS2 where i was one shot by a guy with a sanctum crossbow
regardless the only thing that can truly seperate you is skill, there is no numerical ability that can do so as the game balances invasions by level as seen here
>. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host
proof?
so at the end of the day you are just complaining that there is a challenge that you and your friend are incapable of overcoming. what's the difference between this being just any enemy you can't kill? should radahn be removed because you couldn't kill him the first time?
>regardless the only thing that can truly seperate you is skill
yes dipshit, that's why I prefaced it by saying they're players with 5000+ hours into the game.
compared to mine and my friends collective 100 hours into the game who are just trying to have fun and explore the world together.
frick off with this "durrrr they're just more skilled than you!"
no shit, they also have 50x the hours into the game than I do. i fricking hope they're more skilled than I am
>what's the difference between this being just any enemy you can't kill?
devils advocate, but the difference is you and your buddy decide when to start the fight with the NPC. invaders are a bit less predictable.
Have you seen the builds in this game? I don't know about previous fromsoft games but ER is by far the most unbalanced multiplayer game I've ever played
What's most hilarious about this situation is that twink players got KEKED in most literal sense by this mod. Not in the sense of having cuck fetish, on contrary they are utterly against getting cucked, but it's a power far beyond their control, that put them on a chain in cuck corner, and they have absolutely no way to change it, so they can only powerlessly rage, scream and cry on the internet, bleating impotent insults what cucks them but being unable to do anything about it and getting left alone with their impotent cuck rage and cope. Holy shit what a humiliation. Poetically fitting for those needing to gank some normalgay who has absolutely no idea what he's doing with perfectly optimized twinked out build.
Keep in mind that none of this applies to players who want to fight someone who actually fights back, since existence of this mod is completely unrelated to any aspects of gameplay they engage in.
another thing that ruined twinks was being able to summon an endgame phantom at level 1. you can just drop trade endgame loot to a level 1. you dont need to get it yourself. theres no "prestige" in finally making a twink because your friend can give you what you need
This game's PvP is fricking dogshit and if you've ever willingly subjected yourself or another person to it you should stick your hands in a pot of boiling water and count to ten
I don’t think the devs vision of the game was a group of friends playing through the whole campaign from start to finish together, it’s supposed to be a “you scratch my back I scratch yours” system
"People" on the internet taking jank fromsoft "pvp" that gets slapped on their games as an afterthought as some kind of serious business esports and losing their shit over it will never not be hilarious.
Almost as buck broken as MOBA players in terms of mental damage, despite fromsoft games containing nothing that would cause something like that. Which apparently means that they caused it to themselves.
I play the game exclusively PvE. If I had any inclination to play co-op, I would think the game making enemies stronger would be what makes the game harder, not invaders.
All this proves is that pvp is kind of shit, especially when it's in addition to active pve.
Nioh doesn't have invasions but does have co-op and pvp arenas for people who want to do either of those. Seems like a winning formula to me, makes everyone but invaders happy.
>die to another player in a fighting game where multiplayer is a feature
okay >die to another playing in an fps where multiplayer is a feature
okay >lose to another player in a racing game where multiplayer is a feature
okay >lose to another player in a strategy game where multiplayer is a feature
okay >lose to another player in a party game where multiplayer is a feature
okay >lose to another player in an adventure RPG where multiplayer is a feature
nonono NO NOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING NOOOOO FRICKING NOOOOOOO!!! FRICKING INVADER KEKS ARE SUCH FRICKING Black folk I SWEAR TO FRICK. MY FRICKING PROGRESS! WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO RAPE ME AND MY FRIENDS WHEN WE JUST WANT TO PLAY HONEST CO-OP IT'S NOT FRICKING FAIR. IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR!! *composes self and quells impotent seething* Heh, it's a good thing the seamless co-op mod is literally killing multiplayer at this very moment. That's right, invadercucks, it's literally over. What?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE GAME HAS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACTIVE PLAYERS AND YOU CAN PLAY MULTIPLAYER AT ANY HOUR OF THE DAY?! DIE INVADER Black folk DIE FRICKING SEETHE WHEN I DISCONNECT OR GO INTO THE BOSS FOG, SEEEEEEETHE
>actually typing all that out
pathetic. that kind of attitude is exactly why i use the co-op mod that removes homosexuals like you from the game.
if i want to play a PVP game i'll play a pvp game. elden ring and the souls series are not pvp games. theyre pve games with shitty pvp gimmicks that have some of the worst lag/desyncing i've ever seen in my 25+ years of online gaming.
i guess?
doesn't change the fact that i personally don't enjoy randomly having 5000+ hour homosexuals invade my games and abuse meta builds / glitches / terrible desync to kill me and the homies when we're just trying to chill and explore.
i've been playing these games since i had to import the KR copy of DeSo on PS3, long before you even knew about the series, and I've never enjoyed the pvp aspect of it. it's always been shit.
>I'm a veteran of the series >Yet I have no idea how to deal with this core system that defines it
Thanks for the advice but I already own Elden Ring and installing a mod is more appealing than buying another game
Feel free. Looks very buggy & janky, but the same could be said about the base game. Shame about being cut off from the game's playerbase when you use it.
Didn't you gaygets cry about people modding the game to play seamless coop than fight your pathetic ass?
Adventure RPGs are predominantly PvE games, including the one we're talking about in this thread. All the other genres listed were predominantly PvP genres. Stop acting moronic.
I did, it's called playing offline, or modding the game so there aren't invaders.
Sort of like how Dark Soul's Hollowing is demonstrated by giving up and quitting the game, the TOTAL VICTORY of the illustrious Mohgwyn Dynasty and the GLORIOUS RISING of the Volcano Manor are demonstrated by you defeated sissies sequestering yourself in your special modded client. Enjoy the loss.
i never said i don't know how to deal with it.
i said i choose not to deal with it because i personally find it unfun.
there's a massive fricking difference you disingenuous homosexual
1 year ago
Anonymous
Least obvious pretend-oldgay DaS3-entryist.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him, but I agree with him. I started with Dark Souls 1 and always played offline. Dark Souls 2 and 3 were a bit more fun with their PvP because of areas specifically made with invading in mind, so they were more tolerable.
1 year ago
Anonymous
you go ahead and believe whatever helps you sleep at night little tike.
>losing to other players in these PvP genres that you play for the PvP content is fine >therefore losing to other players in PvE genres that you play for PvE content is okay
>losing to other players in these PvP genres that you play for the PvP content is fine >therefore losing to other players in PvE genres that you play for PvE content is okay
Adventure RPGs are predominantly PvE games, including the one we're talking about in this thread. All the other genres listed were predominantly PvP genres. Stop acting moronic.
I did, it's called playing offline, or modding the game so there aren't invaders.
>Want to play with friends >LovrOfTrnyFanny invades with its rivers of blood and nuke spells >Have to go back to respawn my buddy because he got one shot twenty feet away
Darksouls Pvp is not fun and has zero balance
I have friends that want to play a game with me unlike you >So go away
Disingenuous.
It's >Lose to another player in an adventure RPG where PVP multiplayer is an option you can't opt out of.
In those other games the focus is the PVP.
In Souls it is an OPTION. And a OPTION that rewards you for doing it.
In Elden Ring it isn't an OPTION. One that you don't get rewarded for doing.
Elden ring PVP wastes everyones time. The loser either gets nothing or loses progress. The winner gets the same shit as everyone who does PVE but a crapshoot on whether they get more than loose pocket change from the loser.
It's like and adult beats up some kids in an alley and pulls 75 cents from their pockets. But if the kids won they would pull a coupon for fricking applebees from his empty wallet.
It's all fricking pointless for anything other than a ego trip.
>you can't opt out of
don't summon
don't turn on the "please invade me" item
seriously how thick are you fricking Black folk that you can't get the memo from has been sending over and over since bloodborne, which is that invasions exist to counterbalance how fricking easy the game is in co-op
get off it dude
Far be it from me for playing a PVE game with my Friends anon.
Far be it from me to enjoy something without some loser homosexual showing up to ruin it for a quarter and half pack of Mentos.
Again. Would have been 100% fight and fighting with you as an invader. If there was literally any fricking point in doing so.
>compensate
Ok >I want to be a major homosexual and invade people that don't want to deal with you
And to compensate someone made the seamless co-op mod to ignore you homosexuals entirely.
It's almost like this could have been entirely circumvented if the password system allowed the restriction of Invasion or that Invading had any other meaning outside of people being complete and utter despised butthole.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Invading serves two important purposes >It's fun >It gatekeeps babyhomosexuals out of the community who want to say they 'beat' the game (mommy and daddy held their hand the entire time)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Maybe if fromsoft and their fans didn't jerk themselves off with that "prepare to die"wank people wouldn't feel compelled to brag about seeing the credits
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's fun
For one party involved. >It gatekeeps babyhomosexuals out of the community who want to say they 'beat' the game (mommy and daddy held their hand the entire time)
Offline and Bells exist as well as people purely summoning for bosses only. All it does it keep people from playing with friends for extended periods of time. You are just a c**t. Nothing more. Probably less.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>for one party involved
Given how many people use tongue, how many people wait around for invaders and how many people are willing to goof around with invaders, blatantly untrue.
If you're consistently getting shit on and having your fun ruined by invaders even with a friend or two and up to two blues helping you, it sounds like you're just not good at the game and are the sort of person who whines about the singleplayer being unfair anyway.
>it's fun >(for me)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET INVADED WHAT THE FRICKKKKKKKK FROMSOFTWARE FIX YOUR GAAAAAMMMMEEEEE
If you don't want to get invaded then just don't summon or play the co-op mod, it's literally that easy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If you don't want to get invaded then just don't summon or play the co-op mod, it's literally that easy.
This thread is about invadergays being mad at the coop mod for "ruining the game".. Read the OP, homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And I'm talking to some homosexual who's whining about invasions in general.
I honestly don't care about the co-op mod. I get consistent activity regardless of its existence.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And I'm talking to some homosexual who's whining about invasions in general.
It's literally the same anon. So I know you're wrong. No surprise invaderbabies are disingenous with their arguments when it suits them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>compensate
Ok >I want to be a major homosexual and invade people that don't want to deal with you
And to compensate someone made the seamless co-op mod to ignore you homosexuals entirely.
It's almost like this could have been entirely circumvented if the password system allowed the restriction of Invasion or that Invading had any other meaning outside of people being complete and utter despised butthole.
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>It's fun
For one party involved. >It gatekeeps babyhomosexuals out of the community who want to say they 'beat' the game (mommy and daddy held their hand the entire time)
Offline and Bells exist as well as people purely summoning for bosses only. All it does it keep people from playing with friends for extended periods of time. You are just a c**t. Nothing more. Probably less.
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>it's fun >(for me)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET INVADED WHAT THE FRICKKKKKKKK FROMSOFTWARE FIX YOUR GAAAAAMMMMEEEEE
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>for one party involved
Given how many people use tongue, how many people wait around for invaders and how many people are willing to goof around with invaders, blatantly untrue.
If you're consistently getting shit on and having your fun ruined by invaders even with a friend or two and up to two blues helping you, it sounds like you're just not good at the game and are the sort of person who whines about the singleplayer being unfair anyway.
[...]
If you don't want to get invaded then just don't summon or play the co-op mod, it's literally that easy.
>okay then use an option that stops them from being in your game
>WOAH WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INVASIONS BEING BAD? WOW LITERALLY NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WOW SO DISINGENUOUS, AS TO BE EXPECTED FROM A BAD MEAN INVADER WHO I DO NOT WANT IN MY GAME
Just boot up the fricking co-op mod already
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm two of these posts and it was never "Invaders mean"
It's "Invading is meaningless".
I actively invaded in Demon's through Dark souls 3 because I had something to gain while doing it.
I respected invaders in those games because they had reasons for doing it outside of just being a c**t.
I have 0 respect for ER invaders as they have no fricking reason to invade beside be an butthole.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if the game doesn't give you a special item for doing something then it's not worth doing
ever heard of the concept of "fun"?
1 year ago
Anonymous
He‘s pretending to be a Souls veteran with the nonsense claim that the games‘ invasion reward that took an afternoon to get kept each online scene alive for years.
All to whine about Elden Ring‘s multiplayer, for some reason.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes. And the people you invade aren't having it. Frick off.
if you think every single person who ever invaded in a previous souls game was doing it for any other reason than being a c**t, you are a fricking moron
Not once did I say they were. They were tolerated because there was a reason and gave them the benefit of the doubt. and it led to invasion mostly starting out with bows and gestures to one another. In ER you get a boy once ever 20 or some invasions. And mostly right before they pop on the Pre-set instant frick you build and then piss on your ashes.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and it led to invasion mostly starting out with bows and gestures to one another. In ER you get a boy once ever 20 or some invasions
LOL
You deranged fricking redditor
You did NOT do any amount of invasion PvP in these games, you liar
It‘s a fricking invasion, not a duel. You‘re completely free to punish gestures
1 year ago
Anonymous
God damn how the etiquette of invasions in souls games have went down the shitter.
And you believe you aren't just a bunch of raging homosexuals.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>muh redditquette
From sends reds to increase the challenge, not humour you with gestures, newhomosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>reddit
Shows you were here for the start of souls games.
This shit was ingrained in players since Demon's Souls on PS3.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No it wasn‘t, you insane newbie.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And the people you invade aren't having it.
Not my problem. I'm having fun. It's part of the game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And the entire thread is about laughing at the homosexuals mad that a co-op mod exists to avoid people like you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>literally has to mod the game to not allow people to kill him because they didn't follow the redditquette
most pathetic man on Ganker rn
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They were tolerated
no
they werent
people raged about invasions so hard that the devs made elden ring have opt in invasions
1 year ago
Anonymous
>opt in invasions
If that was true nobody would be b***hing about invasion in Elden right when they co-op. Because a vast majority of Co-op groups don't want to deal with invaders.
1 year ago
Anonymous
God damn how the etiquette of invasions in souls games have went down the shitter.
And you believe you aren't just a bunch of raging homosexuals.
You are genuinely fricking delusional if you think etiquette has ever been widely adhered to in invasions or that it took a particular downturn in Elden Ring specifically
1 year ago
Anonymous
It took a downturn in Dark souls 3 but you still saw it from time to time. It's effectively non-existent in Elden ring. And you are outing yourself as a tourist to the franchise for not realizing that the series had ingrained etiquette since the beginning.
1 year ago
Anonymous
My delusional dark twisted newbie fantasy
1 year ago
Anonymous
My first ever invasion in DS1 was a child mask twink using grave sword dance who obliterated me in Parish.
Can't count the number of people in Township who took the opportunity to just backstab you if you bowed.
Encountering someone who does strict etiquette has always been a pleasant surprise, not an expectation.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>NOOO THEY'RE NOT BEING RESPECTFUL THEY HAVE TO DO EMOTES BEFORE THEY KILL ME
holy shit man this is is embarrassing
1 year ago
Anonymous
if you think every single person who ever invaded in a previous souls game was doing it for any other reason than being a c**t, you are a fricking moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he thought people in previous games were literally only invading for humanities and embers
genuine autism
1 year ago
Anonymous
And your reading comprehension is shit like the rest of your brethren hunting for pocket change and lint. In prior games you had covenants and such. Reasons to invade for a currency to acquire exclusive spells and equipment to those covenants. Great deal of players did PVP for items they can't get otherwise. Tolerated because it's the only means to an end.
No such thing in Elden ring. People invade to be a dick. Nothing else. You may make excuse after excuse but the fact your a b***hing about people not liking invading and purposely avoiding the fricking Arena just shows you are nothing more than a unlikable butthole.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I love how this moron keeps pretending that each game‘s PvP was kept alive for years by invasion rewards which took a few hours to complete.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Given how many people use tongue, how many people wait around for invaders and how many people are willing to goof around with invaders, blatantly untrue.
You live in your own little fantasy world now don't you. Most invasions are against people who didn't want to be invaded. And you are just making excuses for why you don't want to fight people on you build level in Colosseum. >but even playing field and weird locations.
Everyone fricking knows you just don't want to go up against anyone pulling the same homosexualry you do to random people who don't want to deal with your bullshit.
If you want to duel. Do it specifically where the fricking game made it. Otherwise frick off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't do both invasions and arena
ngmi
1 year ago
Anonymous
Most invaders in ER don't. Because they don't want an even or fair fight. They want to kick puppies and claim it wasn't fair for themselves because it was 3 puppies against a steel toed boot.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they don't want an even or fair fight
Because the system literally isn't set up for it. If 99% of invasions are going to be against a minimum of 2 people, and due to password summons 2 of up to five opponents can be disproportionately powerful, then invaders are going to prepare for fights where they're clawing for an advantage.
Of course I've encountered my own fair share of destined death spamming homosexuals who've hidden until I started fighting enemies, but I don't have any more problem with them than everyone else who's playing the game wrong by my own autistic standards.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All of this bullshit >Still talking about invading when I was talking about Arena.
We get it. You don't actually want to fight fair. You want to be a c**t with a Frenzy build and fred durst your way through a 3 man group 20 levels lower than you and watch the spike grow up their asses.
It's fine. Just know that nobody likes you and they have purposely downloaded a mod to completely avoid you forever.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>20 levels lower than you
You‘re whinging about invasions in the fricking level 200 bracket, which is well in to NG+ and ++. Get a grip.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah. That's not where a majority of people whine about invasions. Its normally fight not runs though games or just shitting around with friends.
If you are New Game +ing this shit than you've seen everything and invasions are just formalities.
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you're so concerned about fighting fair why are you using summons? The game was balanced for single player.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Now you're just assuming, I do both. The thing about invasions is that you have to tailor your build for it since the odds are stacked against you to an extreme extent (I'm not complaining about that, it's how it should be. Invading is fun because of the challenge). So don't don't blame us for increasing our chances, and invaders shouldn't complain about being expected to lose either. Then again, I play like a boomer without spamming busted ashes of wars.
I just have an arsenal of weapons for different situations, UGS, cleanrot thrusting sword, nightrider glaive, buckler, a fire misericorde... with giant hunt and storm stomp. that kind of stuff.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's fun >(for me)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET INVADED WHAT THE FRICKKKKKKKK FROMSOFTWARE FIX YOUR GAAAAAMMMMEEEEE
Seamless is an amazing coop experience, it blows the shitty vanilla system a mile away
If it had seamless invasions added it'd be even better
You couldn't pay me to play vanilla coop homosexualry, it's dogshit
Nobody is afraid of invaders, they just hate how annoying it is having to load load load and resummon to keep playing with buddies
Frick I wish they'd make a seamless coop + invasions mod
But then you'd just have gay cheated twinks 247 because anticheat has to be disabled
Everyone knows invaders are the biggest gays when it comes to cheating and twinking
i cant really think of anything more pointless in gaming than being a bad red man in souls games
especially since every single one of them has a thriving pvp community where you can find people that actually want to participate in your bullshit, yet you refuse to go to them because you know you'll get your shit stomped in by actual good players, and you rely on beating up trash tier players that are just out to have fun, play through the game once, and move on.
>get high and play elden ring with friend >co op and chilling, having some fun rp
red gays stay mad. love seeing these threads when i 100%ed the game half a year ago. STILL obsessing over ME
i don't think anyone actually cares, it's just a new topic to constantly shitpost about and generate (you)'s
the constant switching between 'it's about balance' and 'actually i just want to invade people and bully them' is stupid, if they wanted to pvp they can find it through the taunters tongue or duel people who actually want to pvp
If you don't Co-Op at all you never get invaded.
You used to get invaded in other souls games by simply not being Hollow or the equivalent there of.
In Elden ring you just need to summon 1 person or use a specific item to purposely get invaded.
People wouldn't have really needed to seek out a Seemless PVE mod if that whole password system kept out invaders too.
Completely wrong. The vanilla co-op implementation in ER is shit. They should've just made the game properly playable in co-op from start to finish like so many other titles, none of this moronation with fog walls in the open world, no mounts, no game/quest progression for phantoms and so on. What the seamless co-op mod does should have been in the game by default.
Turns out they don't need to do anything because people mod their shit to get what they want no matter what From thinks, while you're left impotent and crying, literally incapable of doing anything to prevent it.
I fail to see how capitulating yourself to the ultimate defeat state (installing a client mod for a super-easy mode cut off from the game's community) equates with "crying" from people who are active members of the playerbase. You lost.
You don't understand. Nobody cares about you, nobody thinks about you. You're not a factor in the decision. It's amusing that you think you somehow matter at all and that people who want to play a game with their actual friends think about you. You're a random nobody on the internet, when somebody decides to play the game with their actual friends your existence doesn't even cross their mind. Your view is so twisted you somehow believe you're the center of the universe and everyone is acting in order to avoid you specifically because you're surely such a badass invader, but they're actually just playing the game mode they prefer and the fact that you can no longer join as well is a side effect nobody actually cares about.
They want to play co-op with their buddies and get to do exactly what they wanted. You cry on the internet because they won't play the game mode you prefer with you, while claiming that the people doing exactly what they want are somehow losing.
>Nobody cares about you, nobody thinks about you. You're not a factor in the decision.
Uh-huh. That‘s why you keep replying and posting about invaders?
No reason to invade in Elden Ring. No reason to co-op either.
Since DS2, there hasn't been much incentive to engage in the multiplayer, since the rewards haven't felt worthwhile. The only even moderately interesting PVP since was as a purple in DS3, but even that felt far removed from the golden age of multiplayer.
>try to invade in stormveil castle with my jar cannon knockback gimmick build >every host has a level 999 phantom buttbudy >multiple hosts eternally hide so their phantom friend can slaughter every invader
The answer would be. Because you had valid reasons to invade and people were understanding as to why you were invading in the first place.
While in Elden ring you get the same shit everyone else does while co-oping and nothing more. Anyone purposely continueing to invade after realizing this is just an butthole.
Yeah, that grand total of 10 invasions you had to win for the Obscuring Ring was the reason everyone PvP'd. No one did it for any intrinsic fun, they just won 10 times and stopped.
speak for yourself, I always invaded because Im an butthole. I enjoyed it when other buttholes invaded me when I randomly restored my humanity after beating a boss. Id get to see new gear and spells that buttholes were using and it motivated me to try to get them. needing to opt in to invasions killed it. everybody opts out, and the few that opt in get relentlessly spammed with invasions because theres nobody left to invade. eventually those people opt out and the only potential invasion targets are gank squads. the meta way to be an butthole in pvp right now is to summon a high level phantom in a low level zone and wait for people to invade you. I think thats stupid and not fun. I preferred it when I could be an butthole that threw shit pies at unsuspecting noobs in a sewer. those were the good old days
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sure I'll speak for myself. And it speaks volumes that you continue to invade in ER despite doing nothing but pissing off every single person you invade and getting nothing but pocket change and fellated ego.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I preferred it when I was the butthole, rather than somebody else being the butthole to me like it is right now
lol
im not invading anyone lol. reread my post >the meta way to be an butthole in pvp right now is to summon a high level phantom in a low level zone and wait for people to invade you
its a very lame system
>And it speaks volumes that you continue to invade in ER despite doing nothing but pissing off every single person you invade and getting nothing but pocket change
youre a mindbroken zoomer who refuses to play video games unless theres a progression track. the concept of doing something purely for fun is alien to you. its all about muh progression. its fun to kill people, simple as. i dont need an extra reward. getting a kill is its own reward
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I preferred it when I was the butthole, rather than somebody else being the butthole to me like it is right now
lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
You weren't an butthole in prior games. You had a legitimate reason to invade. Special Currency for Equipment and Spells you can't acquire anywhere else gained though invasions only.
In elden ring you get the spare runes a dude is carrying and a rune arc. As well as a point needed to get into the manor. Which didn't even require Invasions in the first place as they would just send you out to kill a few NPCs to make up those points.
Doing it in other games didn't make you seem like a prick because everyone knew you probably had a good reason for doing it. Doing While in ER it made you a prick because everyone knew you don't have a reason for doing it other than being a fricking prick.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>As well as a point needed to get into the manor.
Huh? Player invasions are part of the Manor quest?
>Special Currency for Equipment and Spells you can't acquire anywhere else gained though invasions only
See:
Yeah, that grand total of 10 invasions you had to win for the Obscuring Ring was the reason everyone PvP'd. No one did it for any intrinsic fun, they just won 10 times and stopped.
Those 10 wins are what kept people invading on DS3 for 6 years?
1 year ago
Anonymous
They also counted towards the manor quest. You could either go invade the NPCS they told you to fight or invade other players. One was faster but everyone knows that nobody invading specifically did so for the Manor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You could either go invade the NPCS they told you to fight or invade other players.
I'm convinced you people haven't played Elden Ring. There is literally nothing in the Volcano Manor quest that requires player invasions.
>only item in question that requires invasions >It's used only for more invasions
So be a dick to be even more of dick?
Incomprehensible. What the frick are you talking about? You get the Recusant Finger just by telling Tanith "yes", and then you're free to play multiplayer.
From didn't bother with invasion rewards because they're laughably pointless. The fun is in the gameplay itself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>only item in question that requires invasions >It's used only for more invasions
So be a dick to be even more of dick?
My perspective is that people think they "hate" invasions for the same reason they think they "hate" hard stuff. It's just irrational. When you have actually experienced it can lead to peak gaming experiences. I still remember the time I defeated a twink invader in Dark Souls as a new player by thinking carefully and tricking him, it it probably a top 5 gaming moment for me. People are robbing themselves of that even if they don't realize it
Why not just admit this multiplayer system is daft, and you should just have a dedicated multiplayer mode where people who want to fight other players just enter maps together and do so like any other game
Who's demanding the devs change anything? Anyone who wants it changed can do it themselves. You guys b***h whenever someone says you just want to stomp shitters but all you do is make strawmen
>thats what makes it appealing.
No, the enemy and world design combined with the combat design is what makes the game appealing. The pvp aspect of it has always been the worst part.
It's a mod.
You don't even want the kind of casual who would use the mod to wienerblock invaders, so what exactly is the problen? Sounds like a win for everybody.
So you agree with me. There was no reason to invade in Elden ring. Nobody has fun with PVP in elden ring. Either you fight a cheese build as the invaded or you fight a group of people specifically around to tell you to frick off. As well as no item or quest related incentive to invade in the first place like every other souls game.
Now that Colosseum arenas have been added, do you think this guy is duking it out with other 1337 pvpers, or is he still seething that he can't gank coop casuals?
The pvp system in these games isn’t good enough for arenas to be fun but I haven’t played since they added it. Is blood katana less moronic now? I have to confess I thought it was cool and since my characters base class is bandit I feel like to be optimal I had to use a bleed weapon.
No, but seriously. Isn't that a win/1in?
You gaya are defined by your mutual hatred and disdain of eachother. This mods allow each community their individual space.
I mean I don't use Seamless to escape invaders. I use it to do ridiculous mod playthroughs with friends.
Although, anytime I play the game unmodded I don't summon anyway.
Seeing people get so upset about it is hilarious though
>NOOOOO THE INVADER WHO IS WELL WITHIN MY LEVEL AND WEAPON RANGE INVADED USING SOME TWINK BUILD HE GOT OFF YOUTUBE, HE'S EXPLOITING THE GAME, THAT'S SO UNFAIR >COMPLETELY UNLIKE MY PASSWORD SUMMONED LEVEL 250 DISCORD DADDY USING ENDGAME GEAR AND HELPING ME EFFORTLESSLY BREEZE THROUGH THE GAME BECAUSE THE AI CAN'T HANDLE TWO ENEMIES AT ONCE
I know invaders got shafted this game but every single complaint comes across as b***hing about not being able to twink and shit on shitters nearly as easily as you used to be able to
The coop just kinda sucks and makes the whole "exploration" part of elden ring kinda impossible, I wish the seamless mod allowed invasions because it's otherwise so much better
I‘m consistently amazed by the number of people who make completely incorrect statements about this game. I suppose it serves as something of a testimony to the game‘s vastness.
Today, I saw: >PC invasions are dead >There are designated invasion areas (like Darkroot in DS1) >There is no passive poise >There are no level/upgrade restrictions for invasion matchmaking >PvP invasions are a part of the Volcano Manor quest
Fromsoft games are for unskilled people in general. I went to a real action game after playing Elden Ring and got my ass kicked because I was used to enemies having big wind up animations
Yeah, because they‘re mindnumbingly boring. I don‘t get the cope along the lines of: >Invaders can win a battle against 3 people they‘re purposefully designed to lose, but they‘d never survive an equal match against 1 guy?
Okay? Sounds fricking snoozy.
Honestly how can you come on Ganker and complain with a straight face about mean evil invaders "being dicks" and killing you in a Souls game? It's fricking pathetic. >waah waah mommy those mean invaders are bullying me, i'm gonna download a mod that turns the game into a safespace where no one will bother me >be handheld by 3 phantoms the whole playthrough is not enough, i need to remove the consequence of co-op entirely because i'm a little b***h
Embarrassing
it's pretty simple
PvP isn't fun for me. I didn't find it fun in DaS, and I don't find it fun now. I play fighting games whenever I want to have a heart-pumping, pure, honest battle against someone.
Rolltards that pvp in souls games are the casuals of the fighting game world. Thats why they need to invade in DaS and other souls games, to validate their losses in other games because souls games are piss easy.
Souls games occupy 3D space and have multi-directional movement. Just with that, the probability matrices are orders of magnitude higher (n^5). Souls PvP is measurably more complex and varied than fighting game combat.
I know the implication here is that you're too le skilled to play Souls PvP, but you really just look like a moron.
Don‘t forget the fact that fighting games have a relatively narrow selection of premade characters with defined and known options, while in SoulsRing you and your opponent can make any permutation of weapons, spells, skills, stats, consumables, etc combined with custom combos predicating on the aforementioned permutation and tactics playing off the intricacies of these dozens and dozens of 3D spaces.
>PvP isn't fun for me
How can you NOT find it fun? I can't think of anything more exciting than an actual person randomly appearing in your world and trying to hunt you down. Would you rather effortlessly kill the same stupid mobs all day? So boring. Fromsoft games are not supposed to be comfy or relaxing, they're supposed to be challenging, unforgiving and unpredictable.
Man up and stop being a gay.
>How can you NOT find it fun?
because I don't like Souls combat >games are not supposed to be comfy or relaxing, they're supposed to be challenging, unforgiving and unpredictable.
fighting games satisfy this to a much higher degree
>gay who doesn't even enjoy the core gameplay whining about yet more aspects of the game that aren't to his tastes
why not just play a different fricking game then
Yes getting carried through the game literally is bad wrong fun. It degrades the quality of discussion and the shared experience of the game. I've never liked talking to normalgays who have polluted their experience and it's sickening that said normalgays have apparently invaded Ganker instead of just gitting gud
Just go to the boss fog.
Pretty much any enemy an invader hides behind is some trash mob that a host and a summon can stunlock to death. Any actually dangerous enemy tends to be able to damage the invader as well, making them impractical to hide behind.
People who play on baby difficulty might be pathetic, but is there anything more pathetic than a person who thinks you owe them your time. The guy in OPs screenshot is a grade A loser.
Yeah, it's pathetic beyond belief that they're whining on the internet because people don't want to play video games with them, while at the same time trying to appear cool and superior. >IM SO GOOD AT THE GAME HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT TO PLAY WITH ME YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME
Just lmao
>People can't turn off Invasions so they play other games and the person who wrote that shit doesn't invade them >Players can turn off Invasions so they do and the person who wrote that shit can't invade them anyways >????
Either way he isn't going to invade them so I legitimately can't see the reason he'd be pissed off other than not being able to ruin the experience for someone else.
The biggest and worst problem this game faces is, due to Elden Ring's success, it has more people playing it who have never played a Souls game before than any previous game in the series combined
They're going to bring in their casual, mainstream-backed tastes of having a game be nothing more than a button-mashy co-op romp they can run through in an afternoon with their friends
They see this new game come out, and it's presented and advertised like any new game would be, and so they get interested, only for it to play nothing like anything they've played before
Instead of simply getting used to it and playing the way it is supposed to be played, they instead whined and complained that the one modern game series that goes against modern game design principles is too different, and so someone made a mod that makes it what it was never supposed to be
These games are primarily supposed to be played solo, with summoning for/getting summoned for co-op being something to either help farm runes/items or to add variety to future playthroughs
You really think you're supposed to get invaded by people who have already beaten the game and have super-optimized builds on your first playthrough? You shouldn't be summoning people for every single step of your journey unless you already know what to expect so that being invaded isn't such a big ordeal
Besides, the regular game nearly shits itself when enemies and bosses have to keep track of 3 separate players in normal co-op play, having 4 without threat of an invader coming in completely destroys the game in a way simply upping enemy HP+damage and adding negligible debuffs to player characters on death can't fix
I mean the "DARK SOULS IS LE HARD GAME SERIES" meme existed for like a decade prior to ER, hell Sekiro had this exact same issue and it was worse because you couldn't get carried through that one
All honesty the "GAME HARD" shit has fricking devastated From Soulslikes on both sides because people buy into it and then you have "UHHHHH BEAT IT GS ONLY FAT ROLLS LIKE SOULS 1 OR IT DOESN'T COUNT" and "NOOOOO DON'T INVADE ME I NEED THIS CHEESE BUILD TO WALK THROUGH THE GAME NOOOOOO" in equal measure
Invaders lost all bragging rights after New World gave us an official metric for the invader playstyle. >the invader will exclusively fight casual pve players, and will never, ever engage a pvp player >the invader spends a majority of the time griefing, will only touch pve to gear up, and avoid regular pvp entirely
>People would rather play as a boss-type character against a group of weaker players, rather than partaking in esports for fighting game rejects
Who'd've thunk it
There's no excusing Dark Bead bullshit in the Burg, but move those goalposts homie
There's nothing in ER that's as cancerous as that, at least not anymore
I'm actually amazed at how badly From fricked up. >tried to lessen the amount of being invaded a host gets by reworking matchmaking >invasions die >add wex dust to matchmaking >invasions more alive than ever at the cost of any online host getting 24/7 invasions the second they go online
>"you know you're being a b***h by not wanting to be invaded" >"I don't wanna get fricking invaded by twinks like in literally every game with invasions numbnuts" >"sure sounds like b***h talk to me, gays can't handle invades"
rinse and repeat for every Fromsoft title with this style of multiplayer ad infinitum
It's been like this since fricking DeS with that Scraping Spear shit and now invadegays get uppity at the odds being against them or even instead of being lopsided in their favor, if you weren't a pussy you'd still do it regardless of them making it harder, it's just more crying about "GAME TOO HARD" in a roundabout way
>game 1 >you can do [mechanic] >game 2 >you can do [mechanic] >game 3 >you can do [mechanic] >game 4 >you can do [mechanic] >game 5 >you can do [mechanic] >game 6 >game has reached mainstream appeal >devs alter how [mechanic] works to cater to casuals
in 2015, the industry orchestrated gamergate in order to push away the original audience for an everlasting era of "perfect consoomers" who got into -- or back into -- video games during early-last-console-gen.
was that really 2015? I just remember the last of us winning a goty award and thinking "thats a gay movie game, not a hardcore game for hardcore gamerz™ such as myself". to me thats when gamergate first started
gamergate was about fighting corruption in the industry when people found out an indie dev slept with five guys for good reviews.
i think it never happened and they just dropped that information here, on twitter, and probably also reddit so it could just snowball into an orchestrated sex battle that would flip the culture of this hobby upside down from games being primarily made for guys to all of a sudden being "inclusive" and for people who don't actually play games so they could go out and buy a gaming platform and their game. it's about trying to make more money in the end and also the humiliation of the previous audience.
It's utterly fricking bizarre. I can't believe I'm seeing people whine about this on fricking Ganker of all places. This is the same level of >just let me play the game bro!
shit takes I see from people in Souls meme groups on normiebook.
>play game with invasions >get invaded >piss and shit your pants >mod invasions out of the game >act like you're in the right and it's invaders who are wrong
>play game(s) with good invasion mechanics >participate in getting invaded >play game with bad invasion mechanics >ignore mechanics or mod them out
cope
And the developers keep refining the multiplayer mechanics every game with the clear intent of using invasions to counterbalance how easy co-op is. The fact that ONLY co-op'ers can be invaded is proof of that.
Elden Ring's Invasion problem is just the logical end point of their stupid philosophy when it came to updating invasions for the next game in the franchise.
With each game they made it so the invader was at a further disadvantage over the host this weeds out casuals and other weak invaders who build the character of the system and get you to like it. When in say Dark Souls 1 or 2 an invader can be reasonably certain they are getting a fairish fight by invading each game has stacked the deck further in the host's favor this results in the invader pool growing more toxic with each nerf as all of the weak invaders that made the system fun leave as the system no longer cares about them. This balance philosophy has resulted in what you see in Elden Ring as invaders now no longer care about fun they only care about winning and this has ruined the system for both sides. Invaders now need to minmax and make cheese builds to have any hope of winning while the invaded will only deal with the most toxic dedicated ruiners of games imaginable. Dark Souls 1 for example outside of the 1st bell area you would basically never encounter the toxic frick you newbie builds at worst you would get parry gods or backstab lords who would just quickly delete you.
I can't even use something like the Taunters item to have fun being invaded anymore as no invader will play fair due to how stacked the system is against them now.
By nerfing the system they've created a bias toward the most toxic part of the invasion system as they are the only ones who would even consider taking a fight so stacked against them.
You have based your entire online persona around the half-assed minigame from a 2009 release that has been recycled for 12 years with little to no change
You deserve better, stop subjecting yourself to this
I come here to make simple, objective statements like >Invasions are a part of the developer's own vision for the multiplayer experience
and watch the seething, mostly
>Bloodborne restricted invasions to co-op and dedicated PVP areas >Dark Souls 3 prioritized co-op and dedicated PVP areas >Elden Ring restricts invasions to co-op
I don't know, I'm sensing a pattern here, but I can't... quite... understand it....
>install Elden Ring >or any Souls game really >go offline >no homosexuals invading anymore >run trainer for cheating past anything else that interferes with my leisurely vidya fun >it's game time
Don't care, he lost.
He's wrong. I don't fear invaders. I just hate them and know they gain nothing from invading other than being a dick.
I'd be far more inclined to get invaded and pvp with invaders if Invading netted the Invader anything to warrant invading in the first place.
With out that unique incentive to invade. Invading just makes you an butthole to anyone just trying to play the fricking game.
>I made the game easier, why is the game trying to balance it out
Easier for who? and how? Can't pull out the bell for Invasions. People who get invaded aren't specked to deal with frenzy meta. The devs kept patching and balancing shit for PVP homosexualry into the PVE portion of the game until Arena happened.
Whoopie fricking doo. I may have 1 or 2 people with me. Means fricking nothing to a frenzied tumble weed looking to be a colossal dick inhaling homosexual for a Single Rune Arc and 20 runes.
It's an enemy type you can learn to defeat. Vyke's War Spear is very limited, trust me.
Hint: The running attacks & skill jump have massive recovery windows you can punish with any ranged option or gap closer.
You realize I'm talking about the spell that makes anyone near you go into frenzy right? The one where if you put it on all you have to do is abuse dodge i-frames and just roll around like sonic the fricking hedgehog and everyone around you dies of frenzy.
...that's even easier. After the first time you should know when to get away and just punish the frick out of him with whatever can fly out of your hand/staff/bow.
>they gain nothing from invading
I have to invade 3 times for early Blood Palace entry, I don't even have to win.
You damn fricking well the people who invade in frick busted meta setups don't do it for blood palace entry. You can enter that place with specifically placed npc Invasion locations.
I just go to the little chapel at the game's start, use invasion item, and wait. There's usually a party around there.
I only invaded three times in my playthrough which I did mostly this month. All three times I ended up somewhere in Liurnia because that's my level range. I won twice and lost once. I was by no means in any kind of meta setup.
>they gain nothing from invading
how do i even answer this, Ganker? "read a book?" i'm actually a little taken aback here by his moronic statement lmao. like, this is something a bitter woman would say and believe
In comparison to earlier games where you would be rewarded with unique spells, weapons, and items via the Covenants for PvPing ER does feel anemic in that regard.
Like I can clearly see in my minds eyes a version of the volcano manor where the rewards were tied to player invasions and the reward for winning like 40 fights of midgame PvP was Getting to do Rykard Early.
Or a bloody finger covenant where some of the random blood rewards you get through the game were rewarded to you by Varre and the teleport emblem was the final reward.
Hell I could also see a Darkmoon style Covenant where you utilize Lyndell's vertical layout to avoid or hunt down players in the city.
Hell have Kenneth Haight knight you and make that the Blue Phantom Covenant or have the Roundtable do that.
There are many things that could be done that didn't happen.
>they gain nothing from invading
fun
Come home invader man
Why does anyone invade in the first place? There is like one side quest in the game that requires you to invade. But the game has NPC signs on the floor you can touch to invade them. You gain nothing you don't already gain from Co-op if you invade.
The only reason anyone invades is to be a dick. Why should anyone allow getting invaded it serves no purpose to the invader or the invaded?
And least Prior Souls-like games gave you unique items you used to get spells and equipment. Elden Ring gives you runes and Rune Arcs The same shit everyone gets for Co-Oping or fricking up rats.
>to be a dick
because pvp is fun
Well congrats. You got an arena tha tstill nets you fricking nothing of value. Frick off.
arena isn't invasions
Serves the same PVP purpose. Except both parties was to fight each other instead of one party being a homosexual.
invasions are fun, arena is not
Sounds like you just want to be a c**t to other people and not actually PVP. You want Player vs victim.
i like being invaded and invading
Nah mate. You just want to show up in your Frenzy build and waste someone's time.
If you wanted PVP you would just do the exact same thing in the arena.
arena is not invasions
Sure kid
yes
>Sounds like you just want to be a c**t to other people and not actually PVP. You want Player vs victim.
Then you get to deal with people effectively blocking you from being able to do it. Deal with it the same way you forced people to deal with your Black persondom.
it's developer-condoned behavior though
who cares, deal with it
Who cares what the developer wants? I'm playing for me, not for them
>ugh... you're being a Black person by playing the game the way it's supposed to be played...
Same thing moron
sounds like you just enjoy killing noobs
pretty low effort buddy
clean your rooom
i like invading and being invaded
I do too. Where there is a point to it. Which there isn't one in Elden ring.
>Being stuck in some shitty box
>The same as battling in tunnels filled with traps and enemies
>why invade
Because it's funny.
It's funny to make a ridiculous-looking character and kill donutsteel dual katana wielders.
It's fun to frick around, like banging a pickaxe against a rock until the phantoms join in and the host cracks a whip while the summoned hunter observes in confusion.
It's fun to ambush people by hiding as a prop and jumping out of the disguise with a cartoonishly large hammer.
It's fun to shoot unaware hosts off of cliffs with a cannon.
It's just Looney Tunes slapstick.
How funny is it not that you have nobody to PVP anymore other than people like yourself. Which you actively avoid.
Works on my machine
You should know that this entire threat is just hyperbole, there's plenty of coop and invasions happening in unmodded Elden Ring.
i've not been able to find a solid explanation on how invasions/co-op works, if i invade does it toggle a switch somewhere that leaves me more open for invasion myself? (which would be fair i guess)
as a cooperator, if you help kill a boss, what do you get out of it exactly?
When there is a summoned co-op phantom in your world, the matchmaking will try to bring in an invader to balance out the difficulty.
Solo hosts can also use the Taunter's Tongue to accept invasions without needing a summon.
>as a cooperator, if you help kill a boss, what do you get out of it exactly?
You get runes from the boss to spend & level with and a rune arc to activate a great rune in your own world. Enemies also drop loot for summons in this game.
It's actually the absolute peak by a huge margin, especially in 1.08.
>god fricking awful connections
That's your problem, unfortunately.
cool, figured as much and to clarify (because yes, i really am that dumb) If i use a severed finger to go hunting, it's not like "well dipshit, you wanted to gank someone, so now prepare to be ganked going forward" ? (but it sounds like that's what the taunter's tongue is does -- but it's on a per-use basis, not an ongoing increase in invasion odds)
Yeah, this isn't like DS2 where you just were liable to be invaded at any waking moment.
I can't remember if DeS & DaS1 had sin-based retributive systems like that; I know blues in 1 were supposed to invade reds' worlds as revenge, but I'm not sure if the covenant worked properly.
In Elden Ring, getting invaded is entirely opt-in, either by having people in your world helping you, or using that tongue. When you die, your friends go home, or deactivate the tongue, you can no longer be invaded. So you're free to chill and explore without fear.
See
For invaders, it's about the unique challenge, and from a game design perspective, it's about balancing the difficulty for co-op.
>Unique Challenge
If it was really about that you would be fine with the Arena. But you all hate the Arena because you just want to frick up someone's day.
See
Yeah. did. And answered. You just want to be buttholes. It's why you refuse to do Arena. Because you fight other buttholes.
>illiterate anon can't comprehend fighting in asymmetrical, unpredictable environments
invaders have buck broken you
Sounds like a homosexual excuse Invader.
>I want the thrill of it
The frick you do with your Frenzy build Moonveil wielding Bleed procing Crouching ultra greatsword poking ass.
The worst part is invaders cry about it being unfair when they lose absolutely nothing in the process of losing.
thanks for the explanation anon, appreciate it.
from games are notorious for having pretty severe consequences that are NOT laid out ahead of time -- but that makes sense, will give it a go later tonight. (of course i'll get my shit pushed in, i am terrible at this game and have shaky satellite internet, but it's fun)
Arena duels are probably the best way to learn the basics of PvP if you're new.
And also find out if it's even worth trying with satellite internet, kek
>You get runes from the boss to spend & level with and a rune arc to activate a great rune in your own world. Enemies also drop loot for summons in this game.
You just explained why you get from PVP also. Making PVP pointless. Doing PVE helps advance the game for someone as well as give you a gurenteed amount of Runes and an arc.
PVP prevents advancement for a player and is a crapshoot on whether you get decent amount of runes and a arc.
Nobody would care about PvP rewards even if they brought them to Elden Ring with an update. Invaders would just grind the miniscule amount needed to get every reward and go back to invading for fun within 3 days.
The only PvP reward that used to matter were Proof of Concord Kept in Dark Souls III, because they were notoriously hard to get - getting summoned as a blue was rare when everyone wanted to get summoned at the same time and due to hosts being their usual moronic selves and dying within seconds of your arrival.
I would care. I would actually do PVP for once. I always did PVP in other souls games because there was shit to earn. I have no incentive to PVP in elden ring other than to be a complete and utter prick.
I pick up Dark Souls 1 after watching a clip of someone invading another player. The concept was novel at the time and i don't think any other game did it the way souls does.
Because it’s fun, not everything needs to be tied to a reward. Personally I like being invaded and being the invader. Though I wish you didn’t need to constantly use an item to be invaded in single player.
>Why does anyone invade in the first place?
i'm just a homie with a rocket launcher
>Jar cannon only
I kneel
Still not playing with you.
>"people is having fun in the wrong way!"
He's clearly autistic and moronic. Probably gay too, just like you, OP.
Why do people specifically target seamless when every mod disables invasions?
Potato po-ta-to, red mans' community is hurt and so I laugh
>getting upset that normal people don't want to entertain your Black persondom
You don't gain anything out of invading. Be a man and play the game normally.
I see this thread every time I check on Ganker. How do you guys live like this? It's fricking purgatory except your mortal body and mind are slowly rotting. I implore you to at least stop posting in this thread.
Yeah... I don't get it. I can't get mad at OP because it's clearly something people want to discuss but at this point it must be over 50 threads hitting bump limit over a forum post. How is it still being talked about? What is it about this game that makes people lose their cool for literal months on end?
The worst part is OP is exactly the kind of guy who makes le ebin doomer threads where he whines about how lonely he is.
Hopefully someone will read your message and listen to you
he is. invasions are the best part of these games
>fear of bad red man has killed coop
no
invading my world, cursing my character with hacks, corrupting my saves, and performing remote code execution on my system through an exploit in some garbage netcode did that
Don't care, not giving griefers, twinks, and hackers the satisfaction of playing with me. I'd rather play seamless co-op with my friends I've had since middle school.
I’m playing through with my gf using Nucleus Coop to run 2 instances on my pc. It outputs one instance to my monitor and the other to my pc.
It makes the game a whole lot easier but it’s so fun. It’s also really cool to watch her experience it all for the first time.
>fromsoft promise that co-op won't be shit this time
>jk it's exactly the same as all our other games, resummon your friend every time you do anything
>wtf bro why is everyone installing this seamless coop mod instead?
Service issue.
As much as I love invasions, you're right. They've made no effort to tailor the summoning system to ER's world. As is it only works for the Mega Man-esque levels from DeS. Even in DaS1 it could get awkward.
I have never heard Demon Souls described as Mega Man-esque before but I get what you mean
>2022
>still putting in p2p garbage in an online interactive game
they deserve everything they get
SeKINO chads rise up
If you like multiplayer it means you failed at life. Just go hangout with your friends like a normal person IRL.
>Whhaaaa don't have fun with your video games on your time off you must put up with autistic bullshit difficulty because, because okay??
I mostly have positive experiences when invading or being invaded. Yesterday I invaded someone just to get Varre's quest done and both the host and his summon waved at me first, then the summon fricked off into some bushes to wait out the fight. Was pretty cool.
>NOOOOOOOOOO I can't grief people by backstabbing them when fighting enemies!!!
This is the same kind of homosexual who had to have his Mom make play dates for him because nobody liked him.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/SwCPbjnx7kjb233JlqbwqA/#
Not the worst autism i've seen. Probably has to be like pages 5-6 where I'll state that he's got mental issues.
the guy posting pcsx2 sucks for 5 years every day has to be the worst
Don't play souls slop sorry
stale b8 m8
Down with invasions!
Long live the colosseum!
Oh no, the worst part of the game is being ignored. What ever shall we do?
The worst part being Invasions or Colosseum? Because they are both the same. Just one isn't random and harassing people who don't want to deal with PVP.
Nothing. It's good that people are ignoring invasions.
cute bunny
Colosseum made 1v1s worse.
Why do you gays get so fricking defensive about getting invaded? It's cool as frick fighting an actually competent butthole know and then instead of the shit in game enemies, learned a bunch of new play styles and loadouts thanks to invaders.
I hate it because there is no benifit to invading in any way.
Older games it was good and I actively engaged in it because you had covenants that gave you shit for invading.
Now you get nothing you could get off a fricking rat. it's a waste of everyones time.
>I hate it because there is no benifit to invading in any way.
>Older games it was good and I actively engaged in it because you had covenants that gave you shit for invading.
Cope. I joined the forest hunters in DS1 just to watch the giant cats roll into people.
Only ones coping is you and your ilk. You guys are the ones b***hing that you have nobody to invade as everyone else found a way to avoid you homosexuals altogether.
samegay
Because it's fun as hell. Getting a crew of randos together where everyone just knows what to do while being invaded is the hypes shit, from rushing a guy using exploding arrows, some guys that let me heal up and get ready before dueling or fighting a guy using hit and run tactics, hiding behind the enemies, using range items and the veil to great effect making me destroy every item before proceeding, fricker almost got me when he waited at the end of the level for a few minutes and I was absent mindedly breaking a barrel if he didn't miss. Lots of fond memories of the mechanic, guess I got lucky and havent had to deal with hackers. If anything, I hated how it was so shit in elden ring, same with regular coop. I played for ours and was just waiting to get reamed only to learn that you wont get invaded unless you coop or use an item every time you enter a new area or die. I couldnt be bothered to do either of those things, it annoyed the shit out of me, but when I did it was great.
They should have made it that popping the tongue lasts until you actively decide to turn it off, like the blue cop ring.
They really should have, would have been loads better than the crap we got. Would either forget to do it or be so annoyed by it that I didn't for a while. Coop/invasions in elden ring just plain suck.
>Calls others 'babies'
>Spends his time crying his eyes out online about how other people play
>Those people are not only having fun but don't even know he exists and can't hear his cries
Lol, lmao even
I don't want to play a dark souls game with fricking quests and a map
I don't invade and I agree, I liked invasions always. Sometimes it's a shitter, sometimes it's a tryhard sometimes it's a troll, but it's always a fun shakeup.
The template threads on Ganker are out of control.
>noooo, you have to let me kill you with my overpowered weapons and spells!
I'm glad pvp in Souls games is dead and I hope it stays that way, pvpgays can die mad about it.
>Yeah, I invade because I want to punish co-op homosexuals (i have only seen homosexuals use co-op personally through my many hours of experience) and find that dedicating my time to this to be very fulfilling and, dare I say, fun! How could you tell?
Fromsoft fans are dickheads and I'm glad I'm depriving them of their invasion pool
>see these shitty threads popping up after doing another 3 hour invasion and taunter's tongue sessions
Everyone but Ganker have forgotten about this shitty mod
This. The only time I don't get multiplayer activity is at like 3 in the morning on weekdays.
You say that, but my dumb ass was up until 3 AM invading last night. I love it so much.
>From overbuffed fists to top tier
>datamines are telling there's traces of some weirdo fist weapon in the code
Can't wait to invade shitters with bone fist 2.0 in a year
I will not play with you, redBlack person.
Also, going offline makes the game so much more enjoyable.
It's very entitled of you to want to force your "fun" on other players. In fact, it's basically rape culture. I will make sure that they never bring back the old invasion system because it would be like endorsing rape. PR will never greenlight invasions once this comparison is out. Seethe and cope.
>Well, Bubba, this is it. We've been invaded. There's literally no way we're ever going to progress through this level, not even with two of us. Not even if we called the po-lice. We simply stand no chance against the bad red man.
>It's been an honor, sir.
>i will not play with you red ma-ACK
>Asymmetrical combat, the invader is outnumbered 3 to 1 plus any blues or resummons that can appear endlessly
Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed. And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host. So a Level 140 invader can pop up in a level 20's invaded's world so long as the invader hasn't progressed up after the Lift to the Plateau.
So Most invasions are 1 sided in favor of the invader who comes vastly over leveled to the invaded packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons, equipment, spells, and items the invaded can't hopefully deal with.
Regardless. Anyone defending Elden Ring Invasions are just huge homosexuals with hard-on's for fricking people over for no benefit other than an EGO boost and the reason they don't like the Arena/Colosseum is because they have to fight people of even standing instead of pubstomping new characters with cheese strats.
this is why People either no PVE at all and just Bell their way through the game or use mods to co-op in peace away from dickheads.
this homie's parents bought him dark souls 1 and really told him he was playing "elden ring"
>. Also invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host. Just locked to the Progress in the world of the Invaded Host
proof?
You're confusing Dark Souls 1's launch version with Elden Ring. Is this a copypasta?
I am not. I can't tell you how many times I've been invaded by multiple people using the exact same Frenzy build. When I haven't even gotten to a the fricking castle yet.
>Chance of 3 to 1. Not guaranteed.
If the host is just running with one summon, he can buy the blue ring from Roundtable Hold and keep it on perpetually, ensuring an endless reinforcement of blues will fill that third slot within seconds.
>And 95% of invasions are less than a min long because the invader comes in with a cheese strat that instant kills the Invaded.
It happens. But after a few times, you should be able to learn how to mitigate, counter, and overcome these strategies, just like LITERALLY anything else in this series. Invaders are much squishier and prone to mistakes when compared to elite enemies & bosses.
>invaders are not locked to the roughly the same level as the invaded host
Yes, they are. Invaders are matchmade to a host no more than 10% less than their level, and no more than 10 + 10%. For example, an RL 100 invader will be randomly assigned to a host between levels 90 to 120.
It has nothing to do with world progress.
>packing +9 special weapons or +15 normal weapons
No. There's also a strict upgrade level range for invasions. For early upgrades, it's +-3 from the highest upgrade the invader character has ever owned. So, an invader who has touched at most a +3 weapon can match hosts with +6 weapons.
On the other hand, there is no such restriction for co-op phantoms besides a slight power adjustment down if they are way above the host's level. High level summons can easily 2-3 shot invaders with normal attacks while having plenty of defense & HP, as well as maximum upgrade weapons.
>slight power adjustment down
So for a password summon 420(!) levels higher than his host summon, he only loses:
>10% HP
>20% FP
>3% Stamina
And keeps the stat requirements & carry weight for all his endgame gear.
I'm not sure if you're just emphasizing the point, or contending with it somehow.
I agree, it's babbymode. Don't you need at least one blue or invite invaders to get invaded? I always ran around with that key item active because it's kinda fun.
Most invaders are morons anyways.
It's the same with DaS1 too. You restore humanity so you can use the multiplayer system of the game. It's just homosexuals crying about "muh seamless coop".
Souls has its unique system and they should stop catering to the lowest common denominator and just do fun shit again. They tried in DaS2 but that game had some issues. DaS1 still has the furry covenant which lets several furries gangrape you if you dare to enter their magical forest, then you have the basement dwellers who would just raise the difficulty level of your game and made you look for their sign, etc.
Demon's Souls had the biggest c**ts and gave them the biggest c**t tools but it was fun. That was back when being a blue meant something
>When I haven't even gotten to a the fricking castle yet.
The castles aren't how progress is measured. They made that in DaS1, basically
and that led to the shitload of twinks which led to Fromsoft develop brain damage and solely focus on twinks when working on the multiplayer system
>You just enjoy killing noobs
Yes.
the pvp in elden ring was the absolute fricking worst it's ever been in these games. god fricking awful connections, and more cheese weapons and builds than ever before that every edgy tryhard uses
Anyone else been getting mad stutters again since 1.08 dropped? It feels as bad as launch again.
is it true that people installed MMO type mod with
>Raid
difficulty?
The cope of co-op players never ends
Elden Ring was god awful and I hope we don't get another souls game until they figure out that 500000000000000000000000000 corridors with mushrooms at the end is a really fricking stupid idea.
Hmm, I dunno. I really liked my time with it, but thinking about making a build in it sounds like way more work than other souls games
i dont want to play co op
this is a singleplayer game
>want to play with friends
>everytime I do some dickhead with a pure meta build that has 5,000 hours into the game invades
oh boy thats real fun and balanced!
why do people always over exaggerate like this, i came back to DS3 6 years later and everytime i got invaded it was fine.
the only game where there was a clear smurf was on DS2 where i was one shot by a guy with a sanctum crossbow
because we're talking about elden ring and now DS3 or DS2 you absolute mong.
regardless the only thing that can truly seperate you is skill, there is no numerical ability that can do so as the game balances invasions by level as seen here
so at the end of the day you are just complaining that there is a challenge that you and your friend are incapable of overcoming. what's the difference between this being just any enemy you can't kill? should radahn be removed because you couldn't kill him the first time?
>regardless the only thing that can truly seperate you is skill
yes dipshit, that's why I prefaced it by saying they're players with 5000+ hours into the game.
compared to mine and my friends collective 100 hours into the game who are just trying to have fun and explore the world together.
frick off with this "durrrr they're just more skilled than you!"
no shit, they also have 50x the hours into the game than I do. i fricking hope they're more skilled than I am
>what's the difference between this being just any enemy you can't kill?
devils advocate, but the difference is you and your buddy decide when to start the fight with the NPC. invaders are a bit less predictable.
Have you seen the builds in this game? I don't know about previous fromsoft games but ER is by far the most unbalanced multiplayer game I've ever played
What's most hilarious about this situation is that twink players got KEKED in most literal sense by this mod. Not in the sense of having cuck fetish, on contrary they are utterly against getting cucked, but it's a power far beyond their control, that put them on a chain in cuck corner, and they have absolutely no way to change it, so they can only powerlessly rage, scream and cry on the internet, bleating impotent insults what cucks them but being unable to do anything about it and getting left alone with their impotent cuck rage and cope. Holy shit what a humiliation. Poetically fitting for those needing to gank some normalgay who has absolutely no idea what he's doing with perfectly optimized twinked out build.
Keep in mind that none of this applies to players who want to fight someone who actually fights back, since existence of this mod is completely unrelated to any aspects of gameplay they engage in.
another thing that ruined twinks was being able to summon an endgame phantom at level 1. you can just drop trade endgame loot to a level 1. you dont need to get it yourself. theres no "prestige" in finally making a twink because your friend can give you what you need
This game's PvP is fricking dogshit and if you've ever willingly subjected yourself or another person to it you should stick your hands in a pot of boiling water and count to ten
Keep at it, anon. You'll get better and kill the bad red man some day. I believe in you!
Does the person who wrote this genuinely not realize how shit ER's base game co-op is?
I don’t think the devs vision of the game was a group of friends playing through the whole campaign from start to finish together, it’s supposed to be a “you scratch my back I scratch yours” system
I don't think the dev's vision is worth the napkin it was written on. That goes for any game
"People" on the internet taking jank fromsoft "pvp" that gets slapped on their games as an afterthought as some kind of serious business esports and losing their shit over it will never not be hilarious.
Almost as buck broken as MOBA players in terms of mental damage, despite fromsoft games containing nothing that would cause something like that. Which apparently means that they caused it to themselves.
>the same fricking thread
I've played every Souls game in offline mode because I want to look at the scenery.
both co-op and pvp in elden ring are for beta males
I play the game exclusively PvE. If I had any inclination to play co-op, I would think the game making enemies stronger would be what makes the game harder, not invaders.
All this proves is that pvp is kind of shit, especially when it's in addition to active pve.
Nioh doesn't have invasions but does have co-op and pvp arenas for people who want to do either of those. Seems like a winning formula to me, makes everyone but invaders happy.
>die to another player in a fighting game where multiplayer is a feature
okay
>die to another playing in an fps where multiplayer is a feature
okay
>lose to another player in a racing game where multiplayer is a feature
okay
>lose to another player in a strategy game where multiplayer is a feature
okay
>lose to another player in a party game where multiplayer is a feature
okay
>lose to another player in an adventure RPG where multiplayer is a feature
nonono NO NOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING NOOOOO FRICKING NOOOOOOO!!! FRICKING INVADER KEKS ARE SUCH FRICKING Black folk I SWEAR TO FRICK. MY FRICKING PROGRESS! WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO RAPE ME AND MY FRIENDS WHEN WE JUST WANT TO PLAY HONEST CO-OP IT'S NOT FRICKING FAIR. IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR!! *composes self and quells impotent seething* Heh, it's a good thing the seamless co-op mod is literally killing multiplayer at this very moment. That's right, invadercucks, it's literally over. What?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE GAME HAS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACTIVE PLAYERS AND YOU CAN PLAY MULTIPLAYER AT ANY HOUR OF THE DAY?! DIE INVADER Black folk DIE FRICKING SEETHE WHEN I DISCONNECT OR GO INTO THE BOSS FOG, SEEEEEEETHE
>actually typing all that out
pathetic. that kind of attitude is exactly why i use the co-op mod that removes homosexuals like you from the game.
if i want to play a PVP game i'll play a pvp game. elden ring and the souls series are not pvp games. theyre pve games with shitty pvp gimmicks that have some of the worst lag/desyncing i've ever seen in my 25+ years of online gaming.
The multiplayer systems are one of the fundamental reasons these games gained recognition and still stand out in the first place.
i guess?
doesn't change the fact that i personally don't enjoy randomly having 5000+ hour homosexuals invade my games and abuse meta builds / glitches / terrible desync to kill me and the homies when we're just trying to chill and explore.
i've been playing these games since i had to import the KR copy of DeSo on PS3, long before you even knew about the series, and I've never enjoyed the pvp aspect of it. it's always been shit.
>I'm a veteran of the series
>Yet I have no idea how to deal with this core system that defines it
Feel free. Looks very buggy & janky, but the same could be said about the base game. Shame about being cut off from the game's playerbase when you use it.
Sort of like how Dark Soul's Hollowing is demonstrated by giving up and quitting the game, the TOTAL VICTORY of the illustrious Mohgwyn Dynasty and the GLORIOUS RISING of the Volcano Manor are demonstrated by you defeated sissies sequestering yourself in your special modded client. Enjoy the loss.
i never said i don't know how to deal with it.
i said i choose not to deal with it because i personally find it unfun.
there's a massive fricking difference you disingenuous homosexual
Least obvious pretend-oldgay DaS3-entryist.
Not him, but I agree with him. I started with Dark Souls 1 and always played offline. Dark Souls 2 and 3 were a bit more fun with their PvP because of areas specifically made with invading in mind, so they were more tolerable.
you go ahead and believe whatever helps you sleep at night little tike.
Your hair is receding just like your frog post
Not sure what inspired you to include me in your schizo post, but try to avoid it in the future if possible, thanks.
yes keep seething it sustains me
Calling you moronic for posting something moronic isn't seething, it's just stating the obvious.
Why is it always dung?
>losing to other players in these PvP genres that you play for the PvP content is fine
>therefore losing to other players in PvE genres that you play for PvE content is okay
Then find a game in the "PvE genre" (what?) that doesn't have antagonistic human player features.
Thanks for the advice but I already own Elden Ring and installing a mod is more appealing than buying another game
Didn't you gaygets cry about people modding the game to play seamless coop than fight your pathetic ass?
Adventure RPGs are predominantly PvE games, including the one we're talking about in this thread. All the other genres listed were predominantly PvP genres. Stop acting moronic.
I did, it's called playing offline, or modding the game so there aren't invaders.
Edge lord
Therefore
You don't have the right
>Want to play with friends
>LovrOfTrnyFanny invades with its rivers of blood and nuke spells
>Have to go back to respawn my buddy because he got one shot twenty feet away
Darksouls Pvp is not fun and has zero balance
I have friends that want to play a game with me unlike you
>So go away
Disingenuous.
It's
>Lose to another player in an adventure RPG where PVP multiplayer is an option you can't opt out of.
In those other games the focus is the PVP.
In Souls it is an OPTION. And a OPTION that rewards you for doing it.
In Elden Ring it isn't an OPTION. One that you don't get rewarded for doing.
Elden ring PVP wastes everyones time. The loser either gets nothing or loses progress. The winner gets the same shit as everyone who does PVE but a crapshoot on whether they get more than loose pocket change from the loser.
It's like and adult beats up some kids in an alley and pulls 75 cents from their pockets. But if the kids won they would pull a coupon for fricking applebees from his empty wallet.
It's all fricking pointless for anything other than a ego trip.
>you can't opt out of
don't summon
don't turn on the "please invade me" item
seriously how thick are you fricking Black folk that you can't get the memo from has been sending over and over since bloodborne, which is that invasions exist to counterbalance how fricking easy the game is in co-op
get off it dude
Far be it from me for playing a PVE game with my Friends anon.
Far be it from me to enjoy something without some loser homosexual showing up to ruin it for a quarter and half pack of Mentos.
Again. Would have been 100% fight and fighting with you as an invader. If there was literally any fricking point in doing so.
>a PVE game
The souls series is both PVE and PVP if you so wish it, Yes. New to the franchise?
reread your own sentence
I did and I'm right. What is your point.
>i want to play with my friends
Then you get invaded to compensate for the lowered difficulty. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
>compensate
Ok
>I want to be a major homosexual and invade people that don't want to deal with you
And to compensate someone made the seamless co-op mod to ignore you homosexuals entirely.
It's almost like this could have been entirely circumvented if the password system allowed the restriction of Invasion or that Invading had any other meaning outside of people being complete and utter despised butthole.
Invading serves two important purposes
>It's fun
>It gatekeeps babyhomosexuals out of the community who want to say they 'beat' the game (mommy and daddy held their hand the entire time)
Maybe if fromsoft and their fans didn't jerk themselves off with that "prepare to die"wank people wouldn't feel compelled to brag about seeing the credits
>It's fun
For one party involved.
>It gatekeeps babyhomosexuals out of the community who want to say they 'beat' the game (mommy and daddy held their hand the entire time)
Offline and Bells exist as well as people purely summoning for bosses only. All it does it keep people from playing with friends for extended periods of time. You are just a c**t. Nothing more. Probably less.
>for one party involved
Given how many people use tongue, how many people wait around for invaders and how many people are willing to goof around with invaders, blatantly untrue.
If you're consistently getting shit on and having your fun ruined by invaders even with a friend or two and up to two blues helping you, it sounds like you're just not good at the game and are the sort of person who whines about the singleplayer being unfair anyway.
If you don't want to get invaded then just don't summon or play the co-op mod, it's literally that easy.
>If you don't want to get invaded then just don't summon or play the co-op mod, it's literally that easy.
This thread is about invadergays being mad at the coop mod for "ruining the game".. Read the OP, homosexual.
And I'm talking to some homosexual who's whining about invasions in general.
I honestly don't care about the co-op mod. I get consistent activity regardless of its existence.
>And I'm talking to some homosexual who's whining about invasions in general.
It's literally the same anon. So I know you're wrong. No surprise invaderbabies are disingenous with their arguments when it suits them.
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>waa invaders are mean and i do not want them in my game
>okay then use an option that stops them from being in your game
>WOAH WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INVASIONS BEING BAD? WOW LITERALLY NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WOW SO DISINGENUOUS, AS TO BE EXPECTED FROM A BAD MEAN INVADER WHO I DO NOT WANT IN MY GAME
Just boot up the fricking co-op mod already
I'm two of these posts and it was never "Invaders mean"
It's "Invading is meaningless".
I actively invaded in Demon's through Dark souls 3 because I had something to gain while doing it.
I respected invaders in those games because they had reasons for doing it outside of just being a c**t.
I have 0 respect for ER invaders as they have no fricking reason to invade beside be an butthole.
>if the game doesn't give you a special item for doing something then it's not worth doing
ever heard of the concept of "fun"?
He‘s pretending to be a Souls veteran with the nonsense claim that the games‘ invasion reward that took an afternoon to get kept each online scene alive for years.
All to whine about Elden Ring‘s multiplayer, for some reason.
Yes. And the people you invade aren't having it. Frick off.
Not once did I say they were. They were tolerated because there was a reason and gave them the benefit of the doubt. and it led to invasion mostly starting out with bows and gestures to one another. In ER you get a boy once ever 20 or some invasions. And mostly right before they pop on the Pre-set instant frick you build and then piss on your ashes.
>and it led to invasion mostly starting out with bows and gestures to one another. In ER you get a boy once ever 20 or some invasions
LOL
You deranged fricking redditor
You did NOT do any amount of invasion PvP in these games, you liar
It‘s a fricking invasion, not a duel. You‘re completely free to punish gestures
God damn how the etiquette of invasions in souls games have went down the shitter.
And you believe you aren't just a bunch of raging homosexuals.
>muh redditquette
From sends reds to increase the challenge, not humour you with gestures, newhomosexual.
>reddit
Shows you were here for the start of souls games.
This shit was ingrained in players since Demon's Souls on PS3.
No it wasn‘t, you insane newbie.
>And the people you invade aren't having it.
Not my problem. I'm having fun. It's part of the game.
And the entire thread is about laughing at the homosexuals mad that a co-op mod exists to avoid people like you.
>literally has to mod the game to not allow people to kill him because they didn't follow the redditquette
most pathetic man on Ganker rn
>They were tolerated
no
they werent
people raged about invasions so hard that the devs made elden ring have opt in invasions
>opt in invasions
If that was true nobody would be b***hing about invasion in Elden right when they co-op. Because a vast majority of Co-op groups don't want to deal with invaders.
You are genuinely fricking delusional if you think etiquette has ever been widely adhered to in invasions or that it took a particular downturn in Elden Ring specifically
It took a downturn in Dark souls 3 but you still saw it from time to time. It's effectively non-existent in Elden ring. And you are outing yourself as a tourist to the franchise for not realizing that the series had ingrained etiquette since the beginning.
My delusional dark twisted newbie fantasy
My first ever invasion in DS1 was a child mask twink using grave sword dance who obliterated me in Parish.
Can't count the number of people in Township who took the opportunity to just backstab you if you bowed.
Encountering someone who does strict etiquette has always been a pleasant surprise, not an expectation.
>NOOO THEY'RE NOT BEING RESPECTFUL THEY HAVE TO DO EMOTES BEFORE THEY KILL ME
holy shit man this is is embarrassing
if you think every single person who ever invaded in a previous souls game was doing it for any other reason than being a c**t, you are a fricking moron
>he thought people in previous games were literally only invading for humanities and embers
genuine autism
And your reading comprehension is shit like the rest of your brethren hunting for pocket change and lint. In prior games you had covenants and such. Reasons to invade for a currency to acquire exclusive spells and equipment to those covenants. Great deal of players did PVP for items they can't get otherwise. Tolerated because it's the only means to an end.
No such thing in Elden ring. People invade to be a dick. Nothing else. You may make excuse after excuse but the fact your a b***hing about people not liking invading and purposely avoiding the fricking Arena just shows you are nothing more than a unlikable butthole.
I love how this moron keeps pretending that each game‘s PvP was kept alive for years by invasion rewards which took a few hours to complete.
>Given how many people use tongue, how many people wait around for invaders and how many people are willing to goof around with invaders, blatantly untrue.
You live in your own little fantasy world now don't you. Most invasions are against people who didn't want to be invaded. And you are just making excuses for why you don't want to fight people on you build level in Colosseum.
>but even playing field and weird locations.
Everyone fricking knows you just don't want to go up against anyone pulling the same homosexualry you do to random people who don't want to deal with your bullshit.
If you want to duel. Do it specifically where the fricking game made it. Otherwise frick off.
>he doesn't do both invasions and arena
ngmi
Most invaders in ER don't. Because they don't want an even or fair fight. They want to kick puppies and claim it wasn't fair for themselves because it was 3 puppies against a steel toed boot.
>they don't want an even or fair fight
Because the system literally isn't set up for it. If 99% of invasions are going to be against a minimum of 2 people, and due to password summons 2 of up to five opponents can be disproportionately powerful, then invaders are going to prepare for fights where they're clawing for an advantage.
Of course I've encountered my own fair share of destined death spamming homosexuals who've hidden until I started fighting enemies, but I don't have any more problem with them than everyone else who's playing the game wrong by my own autistic standards.
>All of this bullshit
>Still talking about invading when I was talking about Arena.
We get it. You don't actually want to fight fair. You want to be a c**t with a Frenzy build and fred durst your way through a 3 man group 20 levels lower than you and watch the spike grow up their asses.
It's fine. Just know that nobody likes you and they have purposely downloaded a mod to completely avoid you forever.
>20 levels lower than you
You‘re whinging about invasions in the fricking level 200 bracket, which is well in to NG+ and ++. Get a grip.
Yeah. That's not where a majority of people whine about invasions. Its normally fight not runs though games or just shitting around with friends.
If you are New Game +ing this shit than you've seen everything and invasions are just formalities.
If you're so concerned about fighting fair why are you using summons? The game was balanced for single player.
Now you're just assuming, I do both. The thing about invasions is that you have to tailor your build for it since the odds are stacked against you to an extreme extent (I'm not complaining about that, it's how it should be. Invading is fun because of the challenge). So don't don't blame us for increasing our chances, and invaders shouldn't complain about being expected to lose either. Then again, I play like a boomer without spamming busted ashes of wars.
I just have an arsenal of weapons for different situations, UGS, cleanrot thrusting sword, nightrider glaive, buckler, a fire misericorde... with giant hunt and storm stomp. that kind of stuff.
>it's fun
>(for me)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET INVADED WHAT THE FRICKKKKKKKK FROMSOFTWARE FIX YOUR GAAAAAMMMMEEEEE
These threads are always a riot
Seamless is an amazing coop experience, it blows the shitty vanilla system a mile away
If it had seamless invasions added it'd be even better
You couldn't pay me to play vanilla coop homosexualry, it's dogshit
Nobody is afraid of invaders, they just hate how annoying it is having to load load load and resummon to keep playing with buddies
Frick I wish they'd make a seamless coop + invasions mod
But then you'd just have gay cheated twinks 247 because anticheat has to be disabled
Everyone knows invaders are the biggest gays when it comes to cheating and twinking
i cant really think of anything more pointless in gaming than being a bad red man in souls games
especially since every single one of them has a thriving pvp community where you can find people that actually want to participate in your bullshit, yet you refuse to go to them because you know you'll get your shit stomped in by actual good players, and you rely on beating up trash tier players that are just out to have fun, play through the game once, and move on.
invading in elden ring is shit
ds3 had it right
Do you even get to see messages and bloodstains in the seamless co-op mod?
no
I regularly play offline where I don't see those anyways. If I want to coop it's for the coop.
>get high and play elden ring with friend
>co op and chilling, having some fun rp
red gays stay mad. love seeing these threads when i 100%ed the game half a year ago. STILL obsessing over ME
i don't think anyone actually cares, it's just a new topic to constantly shitpost about and generate (you)'s
the constant switching between 'it's about balance' and 'actually i just want to invade people and bully them' is stupid, if they wanted to pvp they can find it through the taunters tongue or duel people who actually want to pvp
It's 100% wanting to bully people.
Invasions have and always will be cancer, just want kino soothing coop with homies
>PEOPLE MUST BE FORCED TO PLAY THE GAME THE WAY I LIKE IT
I would guess: only child, adult, still lives with his mother that does everything for him and tells him hes the best son a mother could have.
I never got invaded when I played the game when it first came out
This. Nobody gets invaded against their will as you literally have to opt-in for multiplayer.
If you don't Co-Op at all you never get invaded.
You used to get invaded in other souls games by simply not being Hollow or the equivalent there of.
In Elden ring you just need to summon 1 person or use a specific item to purposely get invaded.
People wouldn't have really needed to seek out a Seemless PVE mod if that whole password system kept out invaders too.
Completely wrong. The vanilla co-op implementation in ER is shit. They should've just made the game properly playable in co-op from start to finish like so many other titles, none of this moronation with fog walls in the open world, no mounts, no game/quest progression for phantoms and so on. What the seamless co-op mod does should have been in the game by default.
>I neeeed to be able to play with my hawt transbian girlfriends Alice & Lilith. I wish Fromsoft would cater to my sissy needs!
Turns out they don't need to do anything because people mod their shit to get what they want no matter what From thinks, while you're left impotent and crying, literally incapable of doing anything to prevent it.
I fail to see how capitulating yourself to the ultimate defeat state (installing a client mod for a super-easy mode cut off from the game's community) equates with "crying" from people who are active members of the playerbase. You lost.
You don't understand. Nobody cares about you, nobody thinks about you. You're not a factor in the decision. It's amusing that you think you somehow matter at all and that people who want to play a game with their actual friends think about you. You're a random nobody on the internet, when somebody decides to play the game with their actual friends your existence doesn't even cross their mind. Your view is so twisted you somehow believe you're the center of the universe and everyone is acting in order to avoid you specifically because you're surely such a badass invader, but they're actually just playing the game mode they prefer and the fact that you can no longer join as well is a side effect nobody actually cares about.
They want to play co-op with their buddies and get to do exactly what they wanted. You cry on the internet because they won't play the game mode you prefer with you, while claiming that the people doing exactly what they want are somehow losing.
>Nobody cares about you, nobody thinks about you. You're not a factor in the decision.
Uh-huh. That‘s why you keep replying and posting about invaders?
His existence sure seems to be crossing your mind given the genuine anguish invaders cause you
>i don't think about you
>that's why i go out of my way to mod the game so you can't interact with me and hurt my feelings
>The seethe caused by this post
The truth hurts more than any insult or argument
No reason to invade in Elden Ring. No reason to co-op either.
Since DS2, there hasn't been much incentive to engage in the multiplayer, since the rewards haven't felt worthwhile. The only even moderately interesting PVP since was as a purple in DS3, but even that felt far removed from the golden age of multiplayer.
>try to invade in stormveil castle with my jar cannon knockback gimmick build
>every host has a level 999 phantom buttbudy
>multiple hosts eternally hide so their phantom friend can slaughter every invader
that killed invading for me
>invade a starter area with a weapon that new players have no hope of countering
You get what you fricking deserve
Good. you have no fricking point invading in Elden Ring in the first place.
the point of playing video games is to have fun
invading and being invaded in demon souls to dark souls 3 was fun
its no longer fun in elden ring
Why?
The answer would be. Because you had valid reasons to invade and people were understanding as to why you were invading in the first place.
While in Elden ring you get the same shit everyone else does while co-oping and nothing more. Anyone purposely continueing to invade after realizing this is just an butthole.
Yeah, that grand total of 10 invasions you had to win for the Obscuring Ring was the reason everyone PvP'd. No one did it for any intrinsic fun, they just won 10 times and stopped.
speak for yourself, I always invaded because Im an butthole. I enjoyed it when other buttholes invaded me when I randomly restored my humanity after beating a boss. Id get to see new gear and spells that buttholes were using and it motivated me to try to get them. needing to opt in to invasions killed it. everybody opts out, and the few that opt in get relentlessly spammed with invasions because theres nobody left to invade. eventually those people opt out and the only potential invasion targets are gank squads. the meta way to be an butthole in pvp right now is to summon a high level phantom in a low level zone and wait for people to invade you. I think thats stupid and not fun. I preferred it when I could be an butthole that threw shit pies at unsuspecting noobs in a sewer. those were the good old days
Sure I'll speak for myself. And it speaks volumes that you continue to invade in ER despite doing nothing but pissing off every single person you invade and getting nothing but pocket change and fellated ego.
im not invading anyone lol. reread my post
>the meta way to be an butthole in pvp right now is to summon a high level phantom in a low level zone and wait for people to invade you
its a very lame system
>And it speaks volumes that you continue to invade in ER despite doing nothing but pissing off every single person you invade and getting nothing but pocket change
youre a mindbroken zoomer who refuses to play video games unless theres a progression track. the concept of doing something purely for fun is alien to you. its all about muh progression. its fun to kill people, simple as. i dont need an extra reward. getting a kill is its own reward
>I preferred it when I was the butthole, rather than somebody else being the butthole to me like it is right now
lol
You weren't an butthole in prior games. You had a legitimate reason to invade. Special Currency for Equipment and Spells you can't acquire anywhere else gained though invasions only.
In elden ring you get the spare runes a dude is carrying and a rune arc. As well as a point needed to get into the manor. Which didn't even require Invasions in the first place as they would just send you out to kill a few NPCs to make up those points.
Doing it in other games didn't make you seem like a prick because everyone knew you probably had a good reason for doing it. Doing While in ER it made you a prick because everyone knew you don't have a reason for doing it other than being a fricking prick.
>As well as a point needed to get into the manor.
Huh? Player invasions are part of the Manor quest?
>Special Currency for Equipment and Spells you can't acquire anywhere else gained though invasions only
See:
Those 10 wins are what kept people invading on DS3 for 6 years?
They also counted towards the manor quest. You could either go invade the NPCS they told you to fight or invade other players. One was faster but everyone knows that nobody invading specifically did so for the Manor.
>You could either go invade the NPCS they told you to fight or invade other players.
I'm convinced you people haven't played Elden Ring. There is literally nothing in the Volcano Manor quest that requires player invasions.
Incomprehensible. What the frick are you talking about? You get the Recusant Finger just by telling Tanith "yes", and then you're free to play multiplayer.
From didn't bother with invasion rewards because they're laughably pointless. The fun is in the gameplay itself.
>only item in question that requires invasions
>It's used only for more invasions
So be a dick to be even more of dick?
>want to bully low levels
>get bullied by high levels instead
>complain it's not fair
lmao the irony
My perspective is that people think they "hate" invasions for the same reason they think they "hate" hard stuff. It's just irrational. When you have actually experienced it can lead to peak gaming experiences. I still remember the time I defeated a twink invader in Dark Souls as a new player by thinking carefully and tricking him, it it probably a top 5 gaming moment for me. People are robbing themselves of that even if they don't realize it
Or they don't think they hate invasions or hard stuff and they're just using the mod because vanilla coop fricking sucks.
Put that in your perspective
There's still plenty of invasion and co op activity
Why not just admit this multiplayer system is daft, and you should just have a dedicated multiplayer mode where people who want to fight other players just enter maps together and do so like any other game
>2011
>play dark souls
>dont like it
>stop playing it
>2022
>play elden ring
>dont like it
>demand the devs revamp the multiplayer system
god i wish we could go back to 2011
no you Black person. the souls series has unique multiplayer. thats what makes it appealing. go play another game if you dont like it
Who's demanding the devs change anything? Anyone who wants it changed can do it themselves. You guys b***h whenever someone says you just want to stomp shitters but all you do is make strawmen
>thats what makes it appealing.
No, the enemy and world design combined with the combat design is what makes the game appealing. The pvp aspect of it has always been the worst part.
It's a mod.
You don't even want the kind of casual who would use the mod to wienerblock invaders, so what exactly is the problen? Sounds like a win for everybody.
So you agree with me. There was no reason to invade in Elden ring. Nobody has fun with PVP in elden ring. Either you fight a cheese build as the invaded or you fight a group of people specifically around to tell you to frick off. As well as no item or quest related incentive to invade in the first place like every other souls game.
Now that Colosseum arenas have been added, do you think this guy is duking it out with other 1337 pvpers, or is he still seething that he can't gank coop casuals?
The pvp system in these games isn’t good enough for arenas to be fun but I haven’t played since they added it. Is blood katana less moronic now? I have to confess I thought it was cool and since my characters base class is bandit I feel like to be optimal I had to use a bleed weapon.
Tryhards are autists and nobody owes them their respect.
stop making these threads, no one actually cares.
No, but seriously. Isn't that a win/1in?
You gaya are defined by your mutual hatred and disdain of eachother. This mods allow each community their individual space.
What is there to b***h about?
>What is there to b***h about?
That the pvp autists no longer have people to bully
I mean I don't use Seamless to escape invaders. I use it to do ridiculous mod playthroughs with friends.
Although, anytime I play the game unmodded I don't summon anyway.
Seeing people get so upset about it is hilarious though
>pvp
>p2p
everytime with you casual morons
carebears have always been moronic sub-humans that ruin everything. I play with taunters tongue on because its fun.
>NOOOOO THE INVADER WHO IS WELL WITHIN MY LEVEL AND WEAPON RANGE INVADED USING SOME TWINK BUILD HE GOT OFF YOUTUBE, HE'S EXPLOITING THE GAME, THAT'S SO UNFAIR
>COMPLETELY UNLIKE MY PASSWORD SUMMONED LEVEL 250 DISCORD DADDY USING ENDGAME GEAR AND HELPING ME EFFORTLESSLY BREEZE THROUGH THE GAME BECAUSE THE AI CAN'T HANDLE TWO ENEMIES AT ONCE
I know invaders got shafted this game but every single complaint comes across as b***hing about not being able to twink and shit on shitters nearly as easily as you used to be able to
Invadergays are subhuman not because they optimized the fun out of PvP. But because they are so fricking whiny.
The coop just kinda sucks and makes the whole "exploration" part of elden ring kinda impossible, I wish the seamless mod allowed invasions because it's otherwise so much better
I don't think the native Americans did anything with dark souls coop
I like that this OP never fails to elicit a thread with like 300+ posts.
I‘m consistently amazed by the number of people who make completely incorrect statements about this game. I suppose it serves as something of a testimony to the game‘s vastness.
Today, I saw:
>PC invasions are dead
>There are designated invasion areas (like Darkroot in DS1)
>There is no passive poise
>There are no level/upgrade restrictions for invasion matchmaking
>PvP invasions are a part of the Volcano Manor quest
red man would lose his mind playing a fighting game
Dark Souls PvP has always been the unskilled man's fighting game.
Fromsoft games are for unskilled people in general. I went to a real action game after playing Elden Ring and got my ass kicked because I was used to enemies having big wind up animations
Fricking this.
Oh you think Dark Souls enemies are cheap? Try fighting Gracious and Glorious on IUC Bayonetta.
Yeah, because they‘re mindnumbingly boring. I don‘t get the cope along the lines of:
>Invaders can win a battle against 3 people they‘re purposefully designed to lose, but they‘d never survive an equal match against 1 guy?
Okay? Sounds fricking snoozy.
>LET ME RUIN THE GAME FOR YOU IM GONNA SCREECH AT YOU UNTIL YOU DO REEEEEEEEEEE
game is better without you. cope.
Honestly how can you come on Ganker and complain with a straight face about mean evil invaders "being dicks" and killing you in a Souls game? It's fricking pathetic.
>waah waah mommy those mean invaders are bullying me, i'm gonna download a mod that turns the game into a safespace where no one will bother me
>be handheld by 3 phantoms the whole playthrough is not enough, i need to remove the consequence of co-op entirely because i'm a little b***h
Embarrassing
it's pretty simple
PvP isn't fun for me. I didn't find it fun in DaS, and I don't find it fun now. I play fighting games whenever I want to have a heart-pumping, pure, honest battle against someone.
Rolltards that pvp in souls games are the casuals of the fighting game world. Thats why they need to invade in DaS and other souls games, to validate their losses in other games because souls games are piss easy.
Souls games occupy 3D space and have multi-directional movement. Just with that, the probability matrices are orders of magnitude higher (n^5). Souls PvP is measurably more complex and varied than fighting game combat.
I know the implication here is that you're too le skilled to play Souls PvP, but you really just look like a moron.
Don‘t forget the fact that fighting games have a relatively narrow selection of premade characters with defined and known options, while in SoulsRing you and your opponent can make any permutation of weapons, spells, skills, stats, consumables, etc combined with custom combos predicating on the aforementioned permutation and tactics playing off the intricacies of these dozens and dozens of 3D spaces.
>PvP isn't fun for me
How can you NOT find it fun? I can't think of anything more exciting than an actual person randomly appearing in your world and trying to hunt you down. Would you rather effortlessly kill the same stupid mobs all day? So boring. Fromsoft games are not supposed to be comfy or relaxing, they're supposed to be challenging, unforgiving and unpredictable.
Man up and stop being a gay.
>How can you NOT find it fun?
because I don't like Souls combat
>games are not supposed to be comfy or relaxing, they're supposed to be challenging, unforgiving and unpredictable.
fighting games satisfy this to a much higher degree
>gay who doesn't even enjoy the core gameplay whining about yet more aspects of the game that aren't to his tastes
why not just play a different fricking game then
>because I don't like Souls combat
okay bro this is not the thread for you then, go discuss bridget's gender in the guilty gear thread or something
Yes getting carried through the game literally is bad wrong fun. It degrades the quality of discussion and the shared experience of the game. I've never liked talking to normalgays who have polluted their experience and it's sickening that said normalgays have apparently invaded Ganker instead of just gitting gud
>Invading innocent coopers good
>Invading Gankereddit bad
>innocent coopers
no such thing
frick you and frick your friends, b***h homie
There needs to be a time limit on invasions. Tired of invaders just shadowing you trying to bait you into enemies for 20 minutes.
Just go to the boss fog.
Pretty much any enemy an invader hides behind is some trash mob that a host and a summon can stunlock to death. Any actually dangerous enemy tends to be able to damage the invader as well, making them impractical to hide behind.
People who play on baby difficulty might be pathetic, but is there anything more pathetic than a person who thinks you owe them your time. The guy in OPs screenshot is a grade A loser.
Yeah, it's pathetic beyond belief that they're whining on the internet because people don't want to play video games with them, while at the same time trying to appear cool and superior.
>IM SO GOOD AT THE GAME HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT TO PLAY WITH ME YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME
Just lmao
>People can't turn off Invasions so they play other games and the person who wrote that shit doesn't invade them
>Players can turn off Invasions so they do and the person who wrote that shit can't invade them anyways
>????
Either way he isn't going to invade them so I legitimately can't see the reason he'd be pissed off other than not being able to ruin the experience for someone else.
Isn't it funny how the "pvpve" portion of these games is always almost exclusively played by pvpgays?
The biggest and worst problem this game faces is, due to Elden Ring's success, it has more people playing it who have never played a Souls game before than any previous game in the series combined
They're going to bring in their casual, mainstream-backed tastes of having a game be nothing more than a button-mashy co-op romp they can run through in an afternoon with their friends
They see this new game come out, and it's presented and advertised like any new game would be, and so they get interested, only for it to play nothing like anything they've played before
Instead of simply getting used to it and playing the way it is supposed to be played, they instead whined and complained that the one modern game series that goes against modern game design principles is too different, and so someone made a mod that makes it what it was never supposed to be
These games are primarily supposed to be played solo, with summoning for/getting summoned for co-op being something to either help farm runes/items or to add variety to future playthroughs
You really think you're supposed to get invaded by people who have already beaten the game and have super-optimized builds on your first playthrough? You shouldn't be summoning people for every single step of your journey unless you already know what to expect so that being invaded isn't such a big ordeal
Besides, the regular game nearly shits itself when enemies and bosses have to keep track of 3 separate players in normal co-op play, having 4 without threat of an invader coming in completely destroys the game in a way simply upping enemy HP+damage and adding negligible debuffs to player characters on death can't fix
We've been around since the start, only difference is we no longer have to disable online mode in ER.
I mean the "DARK SOULS IS LE HARD GAME SERIES" meme existed for like a decade prior to ER, hell Sekiro had this exact same issue and it was worse because you couldn't get carried through that one
All honesty the "GAME HARD" shit has fricking devastated From Soulslikes on both sides because people buy into it and then you have "UHHHHH BEAT IT GS ONLY FAT ROLLS LIKE SOULS 1 OR IT DOESN'T COUNT" and "NOOOOO DON'T INVADE ME I NEED THIS CHEESE BUILD TO WALK THROUGH THE GAME NOOOOOO" in equal measure
Invaders lost all bragging rights after New World gave us an official metric for the invader playstyle.
>the invader will exclusively fight casual pve players, and will never, ever engage a pvp player
>the invader spends a majority of the time griefing, will only touch pve to gear up, and avoid regular pvp entirely
>People would rather play as a boss-type character against a group of weaker players, rather than partaking in esports for fighting game rejects
Who'd've thunk it
Funny, invadiggers used the same excuse in making near unkillable characters in the Burg.
There's no excusing Dark Bead bullshit in the Burg, but move those goalposts homie
There's nothing in ER that's as cancerous as that, at least not anymore
I'm actually amazed at how badly From fricked up.
>tried to lessen the amount of being invaded a host gets by reworking matchmaking
>invasions die
>add wex dust to matchmaking
>invasions more alive than ever at the cost of any online host getting 24/7 invasions the second they go online
I don't care. Twink invaders can suck my dick.
>invaders still buttblasted no on wants to deal with their bullshit
lol
Got invaded the first time, awful experience, got the coop mod, got thing that made the game awful go away. the end, fun obtained.
Your psychopathy score is showing.
I'm doing my play through offline because I want to use the ultrawide mod and framerate unlocker
Am I missing out on anything?
Yes. Your crown, king.
I can't believe people actually bother with multiplayer in souls games. It must be autism.
Why is this thread up every time I come here? And for a single player game no less.
>"you know you're being a b***h by not wanting to be invaded"
>"I don't wanna get fricking invaded by twinks like in literally every game with invasions numbnuts"
>"sure sounds like b***h talk to me, gays can't handle invades"
rinse and repeat for every Fromsoft title with this style of multiplayer ad infinitum
It's been like this since fricking DeS with that Scraping Spear shit and now invadegays get uppity at the odds being against them or even instead of being lopsided in their favor, if you weren't a pussy you'd still do it regardless of them making it harder, it's just more crying about "GAME TOO HARD" in a roundabout way
>game 1
>you can do [mechanic]
>game 2
>you can do [mechanic]
>game 3
>you can do [mechanic]
>game 4
>you can do [mechanic]
>game 5
>you can do [mechanic]
>game 6
>game has reached mainstream appeal
>devs alter how [mechanic] works to cater to casuals
bizarre that Ganker supports this now
in 2015, the industry orchestrated gamergate in order to push away the original audience for an everlasting era of "perfect consoomers" who got into -- or back into -- video games during early-last-console-gen.
was that really 2015? I just remember the last of us winning a goty award and thinking "thats a gay movie game, not a hardcore game for hardcore gamerz™ such as myself". to me thats when gamergate first started
gamergate was about fighting corruption in the industry when people found out an indie dev slept with five guys for good reviews.
i think it never happened and they just dropped that information here, on twitter, and probably also reddit so it could just snowball into an orchestrated sex battle that would flip the culture of this hobby upside down from games being primarily made for guys to all of a sudden being "inclusive" and for people who don't actually play games so they could go out and buy a gaming platform and their game. it's about trying to make more money in the end and also the humiliation of the previous audience.
It's utterly fricking bizarre. I can't believe I'm seeing people whine about this on fricking Ganker of all places. This is the same level of
>just let me play the game bro!
shit takes I see from people in Souls meme groups on normiebook.
Anon, what do you think is being talked about here? Do you think From released an official coop-only mod?
elden ring had pretty big changes to invading. the only reason invaders cry about coop is because they can only invade in coop now
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO DO A GAY LITTLE BOW BEFORE FIGHTING ME
This entire thread is several people relentlessly bullying one legitimately autistic anon who can't comprehend why anyone would enjoy invading.
It‘s not our fault, he activated the Dried Finger.
>play game with invasions
>get invaded
>piss and shit your pants
>mod invasions out of the game
>act like you're in the right and it's invaders who are wrong
>play game(s) with good invasion mechanics
>participate in getting invaded
>play game with bad invasion mechanics
>ignore mechanics or mod them out
cope
And the developers keep refining the multiplayer mechanics every game with the clear intent of using invasions to counterbalance how easy co-op is. The fact that ONLY co-op'ers can be invaded is proof of that.
I will continue to play Elden Ring normally and never deal with invaders.
Literally not my problem.
>no reason to invade because the rewards are bad
what are the rewards for playing a video game?
Removing invasions makes the game more accessible. Ergo, removing invasions is good.
Elden Ring's Invasion problem is just the logical end point of their stupid philosophy when it came to updating invasions for the next game in the franchise.
With each game they made it so the invader was at a further disadvantage over the host this weeds out casuals and other weak invaders who build the character of the system and get you to like it. When in say Dark Souls 1 or 2 an invader can be reasonably certain they are getting a fairish fight by invading each game has stacked the deck further in the host's favor this results in the invader pool growing more toxic with each nerf as all of the weak invaders that made the system fun leave as the system no longer cares about them. This balance philosophy has resulted in what you see in Elden Ring as invaders now no longer care about fun they only care about winning and this has ruined the system for both sides. Invaders now need to minmax and make cheese builds to have any hope of winning while the invaded will only deal with the most toxic dedicated ruiners of games imaginable. Dark Souls 1 for example outside of the 1st bell area you would basically never encounter the toxic frick you newbie builds at worst you would get parry gods or backstab lords who would just quickly delete you.
I can't even use something like the Taunters item to have fun being invaded anymore as no invader will play fair due to how stacked the system is against them now.
By nerfing the system they've created a bias toward the most toxic part of the invasion system as they are the only ones who would even consider taking a fight so stacked against them.
You have based your entire online persona around the half-assed minigame from a 2009 release that has been recycled for 12 years with little to no change
You deserve better, stop subjecting yourself to this
invaders aren't coop you worthless moron
>This thread again
>five million replies
Why are you morons like this?
I come here to make simple, objective statements like
>Invasions are a part of the developer's own vision for the multiplayer experience
and watch the seething, mostly
they used to be part of the developer's vision for multiplayer experience. they're more of an obligatory afterthought in elden ring.
>Bloodborne restricted invasions to co-op and dedicated PVP areas
>Dark Souls 3 prioritized co-op and dedicated PVP areas
>Elden Ring restricts invasions to co-op
I don't know, I'm sensing a pattern here, but I can't... quite... understand it....
Because watching invadeBlack folk seethe never gets old.
THE SAME FRICKING THREAD
THE SAME FRICKING POST
FRICKING FRICK POST DOMETHING NEW YOU Black person homosexual
>AIEEEEEEEEEEE MIYAZAKI-SAMA HELP ME THE REDMAN IS CYBERBULLYING ME
>install Elden Ring
>or any Souls game really
>go offline
>no homosexuals invading anymore
>run trainer for cheating past anything else that interferes with my leisurely vidya fun
>it's game time
>t.
He was right in his own small world. In mine, his words are meaningless.
I don't play multiplayer anymore and you don't have some kind of right to invade my single player game because you're lonely or whatever.
>People find something annoying, disgusting or boring
>wtf why are you so PHOBIC
Why are leftists like this?
If vanilla had co-op with both players riding horses I might even slightly give a shit about vanilla lmao.