After classic big bossmen like Shao Kahn and M. Bison, MK and SF both failed to set up another winner and delivered these bozos. The question is, who's lamer?
It should be said, that Krauser was a pretty decent follow up to Geese, so good on them.
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Shinnok is by far lamer than Gill.
Gill has a cool voice and laughter taunt at least.
Gill is sick. Leader of Illuminati and thinks he's God and he's half-blue/half-red. Everything about him is awesome. Even his voice.
Shinnok sucks and is just another "le spooky magic guy" that they ditched. MK has never been good with characters and they only kept getting worse.
>Everything about him is awesome.
The thing I never liked about him is he's implied to have actual super powers, and those are doing the heavy lifting for him.
Bison has his psycho power, but that is implied to be something he mastered on his own.
If you're light in the loafers, you could think Gill is cool. He's Fabio/Michael Bolton wearing a diaper and body paint. If you think that is a cool muscle man, but Shao Kahn who is a samurai/barbarian hybrid isn't, you're were probably the kind of kid who jammed with mom to Barbara Streisand records if you catch my drift.
It's actually a good comparison because they both have some homoerotic looks, but Kahn is the kind that can appeal to guys who aren't into that, and Gill isn't.
Nobody has said anything negative about Shao Kahn in this thread though. And if Barbara Streisand made good music then yeah we should probably jam to it, with or without mom. Who cares about all that crap. Gill isn't the coolest but he's cool, and the question of whether a guy wants to frick him (or to be him while fricking other men) isn't relevant one way or the other.
Also yeah Shao Kahn is pretty cool too.
>they both have some homoerotic looks
anon, i think you should consider coming out of the closet.
Well people always rant about how MOTU is homoerotic because of half naked muscle bound men, and Shao could easily fit in that universe
>they both have some homoerotic looks
Jesus, mate, you better don't watch any wrestling, ever. You might think it's gay porn.
it pretty much is.
not anymore it's just failed cirque du soleil performers doing trampoline gymnastics.
shinnok isn't any lamer than blaze or kronika as major MK antagonists.
you say that but more people have warmed up to the 3D era characters over the years while becoming more accepting of the reboot era characters.
whether or not that's due to fans who grew up with those games becoming more of a vocal part of the fanbase is another story but kenshi is a fan favorite, there were people hyped for li mei & ashrah in MK12 and you had people begging for onaga to return.
they ruined his design by giving him dragon features in MK11 & MK12.
The problem with SF3's secret society is the same bullshit with KoF's NEST bullshit. They're already too powerful and strong enough to rule the planet yet they have a fight tournament because.... we need too and they don't have anything to gain from that they don't already have. It's just dumb.
SF hasn't had a tournament since 2.
It's just people punching random leads into submission until they get to the ultimate villain.
SF3 & 4 were tournaments. i don't know about 5 & 6.
That really doesn't change my point. NESTS and the Secret Society have no reason to get their hands into any of this. They could just keep on keeping on and nobody would be wiser. They were literally already at the top and only brought attention to their selves for the sole purpose of.... reasons? Nests is especially dumb with their sole fixation on Kyo clones and Kyo clones alone. Characters like Ryo, Terry, Athena and the Ikaris might not have bullshit plot flames but you want to tell me an army of these guys wouldn't be just as unstoppable compared to any other conventional army? And for that matter who do they even need an army to fight? They had no real enemies until they put a big target on their backs. The whole thing is just dumb and exists for the sake of itself. Orochi wasn't innocent of its own bullshit but a sealed god coming back to wreck shit is at least kind of logical and straightforward.
It's all sillyness but it's fun, it's what happens when these games go from relatively modest plots about martial arts tournaments and street fighting vengeance shit and have to escalate to grander levels that got full of all kinds of over the top crap. It's fun if you don't think too hard about it. Personally, I like the craziness of KoF especially considering it all basically bloomed out of Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting, and their fairly down to Earth stories, on one hand you have this very 80s-early 90s side of it thrown into all this constantly escalating over the top anime type shit
MK doesn't really have this kind of dissonance cause it was always pretty mystical and comic booky and just maintained that, the stakes increased with each game but the stylistics of the "world" remained consistent I guess
>MK has never been good with characters and they only kept getting worse.
MK sequels past 2 tend to have rosters with more or less 50% shit characters, but the other half can be pretty cool. If you picked out all the cool characters from the entire history of MK, there's enough to put together a GOAT roster.
>MK sequels past 2 tend to have rosters with more or less 50% shit characters
I think the only shit character of 3 was really Stryker, Nightwolf is a tad generic because "muh 90s indians", but I actually think he's cooler than others like T Hawk and Chief Thunder just because ghostly weapons are a cool power.
MK for the most part draws heavy influence from 80s & 90s action movies, martial arts flicks & comic books.
people like rag on someone like stryker, bo rai cho or kobra but they're effectively at home with the tropes and references that the series is inspired by.
I don't hate the idea of Stryker, just like many people I thought he looked goofy and frumpy, something about him was just off....his backward hat made him look like a moron, his face looked dumb, his stance and outfit somehow made him look like a fat bum instead of a fit fighter
gill is okay. shinnok is just another awful mk character. it's like there's no middle ground in mk's cast, it's either badass or crap.
Gil has
>Laugh taunt
>Banging themes
>RESURRECTION
>His design basically being a flex on Capcom's part regarding their fancy new hardware.
What does Shinnok having going for him? Quan Chi seems to more meme energy than him, even.
Cwunchy is more memorable, detestable as he has become in MK.
MKX kinda redeems shinnok by giving him a corrupted form fight after you beat his normal form but they sorta frick it up by resetting your health and treating it like a third round.
as for gill the one thing i can say about him in comparison to other SF bosses is that he doesn't lose as much as bison or seth. the later of which was canonically beaten by the entire roster of his own game and had their brain shoved into a juri sexbot the following game.
Corrupted Shinnok looked the same as Dark Kahn from MK vs. DC lol
I didn't even know Shinnok was a boss as a kid, he loses a lot of that storytelling impact when you can play as him.
I just remember Shinnok used to have a very manly voice. He kind of sounded like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Comparing a game from 95 to a game in 97 and mentioning a game from 92... What did OP mean by this?
>Gill
urien felt more boss than him and Gill is also kind of overrated by SF fans
>Shinnok
Goro felt more like a boss than him and also dark shinnok is lame.
Gill for having a slightly more fun gameplay, I still prefer urien
My favorite bad guy from 97 was Orochi.
>literally who mk jobber
>classic
This black Black OP serious?
Sorry, this is an American website. I know MK isn't popular in foreign countries.
MK has always been way more popular in my country, but Gill is still miles above Shinnok.
NTA
Gill has the better movement
Shinnok has the better plot
They both have kind of mid designs
Gill has only appeared in shit games
Shinnok was in at least one good game
Shinnok for me.
Moveset*
I think both their designs suck. I don't see how Gill isn't literally the gayest thing anyone's ever seen, and Shinnok is just the least intimidating Satan ever. He feels like another sorcerer design, but he lacks the creepiness of the decrepit old man Shang, or the goth weirdo vibes of Quan Chi, he just feels generic and looks weak
>Shinnok is just the least intimidating Satan ever
He's supposed to be modelled after Yanluo Wang.
He's not supposed to look that intimidating anyway. He's a fallen elder god.
he makes a good rival for the blunder god
shinnok sucks ass, he's just the devil and Quan Chi isn't even all that loyal to him in MK4
Gill has way more charisma, so he's better than Shinnok
Shinnok is lamer than Gill but could be better.
His name is cooler, his concept is good, but in the end he's just boring. He could be an evil Raiden or MK's Satan, but he's just there and doesn't have a single cool move beside his fatalities.
Gill is gay, weird and doesn't fit SF, but his moves are good and all thst weirdness made him somehow memorable.
Gil is by far better by the simple fact of being in a better game. He is a bastard though with that resurrection bullshit.
I couldn't even bother with MK4 after playing it once in the arcade back in the day. It was such a downgrade from MK3.
MK4 going 3D was a mistake
>big bossmen
Generic evil wizard > homosexual wearing a diaper.
>Diaper
but enough about Mega Man X Zero
I AM NOT A GOD OF MY WORD REPTILE
The only time Shinnok is based and memorable as a big baddie is in the MK4 endings. His lines and voice were impeccable. However literally everything else was pretty shit.
>tfw someone called you a bossman at work
I really do feel in charge.
shinnok always sucked. gill is cool.
shinnok got upstaged by his own henchman. He theoretically could be good but that ship has sailed at this point. Say what you want about Gill but he is pretty memorable
Shinnok wasn't cool until MKX. However Gill was never made cool and was a joke in SFV. Just on design alone Shinnok wins. He looks imposing at least. Gill is just some clown in his underwear.
In the bizzaro world, maybe.
Honestly now that I'm thinking about it. Out of both Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat the only later era boss character I like from either is Onaga
they clearly did something right with onaga since people want him back.
i kinda forgot he existed outside of a random interaction in MK11 where cetrion offhandedly implied that liu kang is onaga's son/descendant which is just weird to me because that sounds like something that should've been explored especially before another reset into MK12. i mean it would've explained his victories in MK1-MK4 and why kronika feared his power enough that she would try to have him killed everytime.
Gill wins
the prize at the pride parade for best outfit
>Implying fighting with just your underpants isn't based like the gladiators
Gill has the best fighting game boss theme that isn't Geese's
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Americans are always so butthurt when their games are put in the spotlight and getting Vietnam'd by better games with better character designs.
Here you see some of them grasping at straws calling Gill "gay" when they literally have a massive industry of sweaty men pretending to wrestle each other in speedos in one big soap opera "for males".
>is clearly butthurt
>calls other people butthurt
bro your court jester of a "final boss" gets mogged by quan chi lmao
Shinnok is a lame ass, and Gill is a homosexual magazine model. Neither are worthy of succeeding what came before. Your company wars/culture wars mouth frothing is really cute though.
>company wars
we're just discussing videogame characters schizo
don't kvetch so hard
Funny enough, the devs and executives at capcom though URIEN was too "sexual", not Gill.
Lol why though, they're the same exact design minus colors and hair
Because Gill being an unrealistic color makes him look less naked than Urien. This is actually why they made Blanka green, because just having a hairy, half naked guy would look weird.
I always thought they made Blanka green to not be offensive, since his original concept art was just a black guy
>having a hairy half naked guy would be weird
>a few spaces over is a sumo in a fundoshi
Well, he's at least a man not a monster
The problem was taking as long as they did to introduce new bosses. SF went through a whole Alpha series and was still Bison/Akuma, MK went two iterations of 3 and Trilogy still using Shang Tsung.
i'm a only a casual player of mk, but isnt shang tsung still the most popular villain in the series? i dont see it as a problem.
I always thought old man shang tsung from mk1 was way cooler and more intimidating than shao khan
He's definitely creepier
i thought shao kahn was the big boss of MK3 & trilogy.
i'd argue that shao kahn or goro are more popular boss characters.
shang tsung's more recent popularity comes from a renewed interest in the 1995 movie when his actor reprised the role for MK11 which laid the foundation for his MK12 incarnation.
Yeah I meant Shao Kahn, my bad. Point is the new villains weren't going to live off up to the hype built up over having the same major villains for as long as they did.
Yes, after the original Mortal Kombat up until MK4, Shao Kahn was the big bad while Shang Tsung was demoted to playable character.
Though, he was granted a younger body, those designs were weird to me since they didn't really stick over the years. In MK2 he looks kind of generic, just has a weird hat.....then in MK3 he got this kind of rock band makeup look that reminds me of Cold Slither from G.I. Joe.
Shinnok is so fricking lame that he doesn't even have a moveset in MK4. He's a Shang Tsung clone without a single original attack. He doesn't even transform. He just keeps his appearance while taking others' movesets
why did they have such a boner for quan chi anyway