>no HRE campaign
>no Delhi or Abbasid campaign either
>new expansion only going to add a single Ayyubid campaign
Anyone else here hoping they might add more campaigns?
Norman Conquest was mostly a tutorial campaign but I really enjoyed the 100 yrs war one and currently playing Mongols. Feels a bit like a shame that the game launched with only one non-Euros campaign.
Tbh if I wanted to play more campaigns I'd reinstall AoE2.
AoE2 has more campaigns but honestly it's sometimes fun to play a different game from time to time.
ehhh, I prefer how literally every other Age game does campaigns and has them progress through the ages rather than AoE2's campaigns where you start 90% of the scenarios in the Castle/Imperial Age.
Though AoE2 probably does that because the game doesn't really get going, especially when it comes to destroying buildings, till the Castle Age.
Mission design is also a bit more varied than in AoE2 at least.
Yeah, buildings were very tough in AoE2, rams were a pain in the ass to use, campaign scenarios had you break through networks of walls, towers and castles, and before you get bombard canons and trebuchets, your only other ranged siege weapon was a garrisoned tower. I guess it's thematically appropriate to put you in these defensive stalemates but it drastically limits the way these scenarios can play out.
Don't forget the classic AoE2 hey butthole here are five opponents and the farthest one from you is building a wonder scenarios.
5 opponents wouldn't be so bad if they didn't constantly drip feed men toward you for 90 straight minutes of BAA-BWAAAAHH!! DONG-DONG!!
dead gay game
why does every unit in this game have a massive pike as a weapon, watched few streams of people playing and it looks comical and 10x times worse than aoe2de
Unit readability would be my guess.
Because pikes and lances are massive weapons?
so everyone is pikemen in that game? because thats how it looked like, even scouts
You have spear infantry, light spear cav and knights have a jousting lance that shatters on impact.
Since campaigns in AoE4 cover centuries you can make one about the Rise of the Abbasids and their golden age. First few missions are about fighting the Umayyads, then on to fighting the Chinese and finally the big wars against the Byzantines. Of course now I realize why there wasn't an Abbasid campaign. Byzantines weren't in the game on launch while using Rus or HRE as stand-ins would've been really awkward.
>even scouts
Scouts have a sword or a bow.
I still can't believe Microsoft looked at the franchise, planned how to continue the series and came up with "AOE2 but without the content".
I'd like to see someone try an empire earth again.
It's clear they wanted to make this a live service game, thinking that since the expansions for 2 and 3 took off that a new game would do the same. They should have just brought back AoE Online cause that was both good and had incentive to play. I think aoe4 gets a lot of unneeded hate but I can still see why it does.
The biggest issue is that it stepped on aoe2's toes by being set in the same era
I don't think this is really much of an issue. The AoE2 audience are basically hardcore boomers that won't play anything else. Which is fine really. So it's not even like the games are competing for the same audience. AoE4 is mostly there to get new customers and players that didn't play AoE before.
But AoE3 didn't take off. It has half the player count of AoE4 on steam and its all time peak is barely higher than AoE2's current player.
There is no audience for RTS besides hardcore boomers
I thought so myself. Medieval times are by far the most popular historical setting so I wouldn't be surprised if AoE5 was also about that but with altered mechanics catering to yet another new playerbase.
AoE5 might another Rome one. They just did medieval so going back to antiquity would make sense.
>The AoE2 audience are basically hardcore boomers that won't play anything else.
I've played through all the AoE2 campaigns and a little ranked multi. I also played through all the AoE4 campaigns. It's not a bad game, but I'm not sure it's a better game and it has much less content than 2. I appreciate how they tried to make civilizations a bit more different in 4. I personally didn't enjoy the history channel aesthetic, but that's down to personal taste.
the history channel thing didnt sit well with me either. stopped playing the campaign after one mission.
What would an Abbassid campaign look like? A doomed defense against the mongols?
2nd thread about aoe4 when the last one is on 14 replies kek
>mfw didn't notice the other one
One thing that annoys me about this game is the shitheads who get pushed by like 10 MaA at 10 mins and fricking quit the match.
Instantly fricks over the game when its 3 v 4, glue drinking dickheads... happens every third game
Its always the guy that naked castles too or only builds towers and shit then says the team is trash.
Like unless theres more than 1 guy or youre playing Mongols theres no excuse
In big games even if you get shitfricked early (but not to death, thank god losing landmarks no longer means elimination) you can come back and contribute because opponents sacrificed economy to cripple you and your teammates should be strong.
But some people just want to be the fast imp hardcarry and won't tolerate setbacks
How's MP in AoE4 anyway. I played a bit of 2 and 3 but never tried 4.
I haven't played that much mp, but once I got a win by raiding the deer close to the enemy TC as Rus in 1v1. He saw it, tried to attack my scout with his and ragequit kek
Still a sweaty esports type game
More specialized civs than 2
Farms fit perfectly around a TC or mill
Runs worse on toasters and arguably looks worse than 2 (3d bad)
it's easier to learn than 2 imo, even though the civs may take longer to understand
>houses add 10 pop cap instead of 5
>you start with 6 vills instead of 3
>the sheep follow your scout after finding them
>can't lure the animals as they have an aggro radius
>the food from animals doesnt decay
>you see more of the map at the start
You build up your economy much quicker than in 2 thanks to the villager diff, it is possible to go feudal at around 4 minutes.
>it's easier to learn than 2 imo
Absolutely not
AoE2 is much more readable. AoE4 is filled with stupid fricking gimmicks for civ "bonuses" that both make them tedious as frick to play as well as being unintuitive as frick.
play Ingerland then
2 is not legible at all. It's full of hidden, complicated, counterintuitive, and contradictive mechanics.
>anons realize for the first time that age of empires' popularity relies on its many shitty obscure hidden gimmick mechanics that give it soul
i love that its easier than 2. but it is still difficult.
Fun fact: the Xbox version has full villager automation. A console player's TC and villager idle times are permanently ZERO.
sorry, I play Ottoman
I just started playing mp. It's actually a pretty fun game. I like it. I don't get the hate
it was in a bad state at launch and took over a year to get into somewhat decent state
so not that surprising people still have that impression
aoe2 players see it as a threat maybe too idk, too slow and complicated for some starcraft players (4 resources instead of 2, random map generation, less emphasis on micro) and I don't mean complicated as necessarily good or bad, just more complicated
though one of the biggest aoe4 streamers is an old starcraft player (beastyqt)
and in a bad state I mean it lacked basic features like key rebinding, custom maps, even player chosen colors, it was so full of bugs that the balance was significantly affected by it
>even player chosen colors
I realize this is nitpicking but anyone else disappointed that in campaign the player is always blue and the enemy always red?
It works fine in the French campaign where you fight England almost exclusively but playing blue English/Normans felt so weird. I really hope this is something they'll address in the Ayyubid campaign and make the player a color other than blue.
>though one of the biggest aoe4 streamers is an old starcraft player (beastyqt)
You forgot Demuslim. The aoe4 leaderboard is full of Starcraft 2 veterans.
>too slow and complicated for some starcraft
most sc payers played aoe2, aoe4 just released in terrible state missing basic RTS features (like bottom panel with unit hp and ability to select and deselect them from it), it looks like crap even rally points are jarring (i unironically prefer 13 year old sc2), it has way higher pc requirements and costs money, meanwhile i can play sc2 for free
>costs money
Everyone and their mother pay for gamepass.
SC2 going f2p was a godsend and I unironically love the skins, but it was evidently not profitable.
New subfaction just dropped.
https://www.ageofempires.com/games/age-of-empires-iv/civilizations/order-of-the-dragon/
If this translates by less macro, but more micro(meaning each unit is so valuable that you can't let them die), then I'm in.
That being said Jeanne d'Arc sub civ will probably be even more in that direction
How strong would their units actually need to be for a low unit count army to be viable? AoE's kinda always been one of those games where you spam units until your win.
>AoE's kinda always been one of those games where you spam units until your win.
Anon? Have you never played this game?
You need to control space and push advantages.
Making this work would likely involve quick construction of defensive buildings, units somewhat resistant to hard-counters, and an emphasis on supporting units.
nah I build military academies and rally my free shit to your base
Works until a wall and keep go up. Counter-raid and push.
That works in aoe2, in 4 these little dudes build rams and end the game
That's disgusting.
You could say the ramifications were quite severe.
its a ton of fun. finally pikemen arent almost completely worthless. go build my rams homie
I've been pidgeonholed into playing Delhi during the beta because it means I don't have to think about queuing up every upgrade upon advancing age
How do I break out of this
Sir you will redeem the upgrades and you will love it.
I can't wait to finally play Japan, the only faction that matters.
I literally have not even played the base campaign who cares. new civs look fun and they are adding a lot more people were expecting.
I do since the campaigns are fun and it'd be great if there were more. I would love it if the game had a proper Byzantines campaign.
i still don't know how to fight the english besides building mangonels because it's not like you can do anything against 20 longbowmen at minute 5
Outposts are your friends, also some walls here and there can be real helpful, just try and rush for castle age tho.
I play HRE and get to btfo bongs with Maa from the get go
I get it, but all it takes is for them to use a portion of their massive woodline to make a ram and its over
I don't like playing the game like an RTS. I prefer to play it as a city builder. I just build a big city and defend it as best I can from the enemy until they leave or I die.
ahh, blessed be ranked where you can play however you want and get matched against people on your level.
If I met you in real life I would activate like the Manchurian candidate and pummel you to death.
You can make it all the way to the Conqueror rank just by booming and then building a Wonder, with ZERO military units.
4v4 doesn't have ranks
I rememeber playing AoE IV back when it released and found it good, but painfully generic.
Is it still the same?
Generic is kinda a broad term. What exactly didn't feel right for you?
What's your favorite faction and why?
I've only played England, France and Mongols so far and out of these I like France the most.
Either HRE or Abbassids. Not sure which.
Japan.
Japan info when?
Soon baka onii-chan tbf
aoe2gays are mocking us...
everyone is mocking us
the thing with campaigns is, if i want to play a specific campaign i need to play through the 1st two missions of the english campaign, which i dont want to do
Do you have to chase the deer/boar in 4? I'll never git gud because I don't do that shit in 2.
No. There's a professional scouts strat where you micro scouts to kill deer and haul them back to your TC but really only Rus needs to do it