Ah yes, the johto gyms.
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Ah yes, the unovatard who thinks every region should only be made up of new pokemon for some reason.
homie, Pryce even has a non-ice type on his team, use a fricking sneasel at least.
Is no one really going to call this post out?
What is there to call out?
post was made by a known pedophile
Uh? I made that post and i haven't been here in like a year or two, what are you babbling about?
Full transparency. I was 100% sure Seel was also an Ice type but now I checked and it was wrong. But in order to backpedal properly and not look like a fool in an Anonymous website I'll just call back to Sabrina in gen1 having Venomoth and use that as a shield for my skewed argument.
"t-the gym's bad because they don't all have the same type and i cant just sweep them!!! this is bad for my nuzlocke run!!!!"
>the same type and i cant just sweep them!!!
Literally in what world is Seel harder to beat than Sneasel?
Johto mons make up less than 20% of the Johto Gym Leaders' Pokemon
Every single Pokemon there can be caught in Johto except for Clefairy. I'm failing to see where the problem is, unovatard.
Johto mons make up less than 20% of the wild encounters, seems balanced to me
you can get Clef in HGSS tho
>its another, haha Johto sux because leaders include Pokemon from an earlier game on their team LOL Please like and subscribe,
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>Johto mons make up less than 20% of the wild encounters, seems balanced to me
is there proof? Gen2 Pokemon are rarer but there's no way they're less than 20%
How does gen 5 have anything to do with this?
They just discord gays mad that people aren't falling for their bait. You know what to do.
Let's just look at the distribution per region.
>kanto gyms
>literally all have kanto mons
>johto gyms
>4 johto mons
>hoenn
>23 hoenn mons
>sinnoh
>12 sinnoh mons
>unova
>all unova mons
>unova 2
>15 unova mons
>kalos
>8 kalos mons
>alola
>all alola pokemon
>galar
>15 galar mons
Seems like there's an odd one out here.
"literally all have kanto mons"
actually, blaine's arcanine was caught as a growlithe on route 36. checkmate
All Arcanines are Kanto mons, moron. An African Elephant is still an African Elephant even if it's born and raised elsewhere.
"African Elephant" is the name of the species. The elephant doesn't have a passport issued by Johannesburg. Holy shit.
"Elephant" is the species, you moron. Do you know what subspecies are? This parallels perfectly to how Pawmi and Pikachu are technically both the same species, but different subspecies, if we want to get technical.
>see a pidgeon in america
"That pidgeon is American because I saw it for the first time when I was in America"
>go visit Europe, see a pidgeon
"They have pidgeons in Europe? But they're native to America"
Lmao you really have to reach this far to get one more Johto mon on that list? Okay then Johto has 5 LOL it's okay if you like gen2, who doesn't, but don't act like it's flawless
>"Elephant" is the species, you moron. Do you know what subspecies are?
African and Asian elephants are separate species. Perhaps I misread, but I don't understand your point.
Odd how these complaints are always about johto and no other region. Can't be that it's an isolated issue only gen 2 commits.
As a Johto fan, frick you. You have to be a false flagger because these gyms are BAD and could easily have more gen 1 Pokemon or be stronger still respecing the discovery of new species.
>As a Johto fan
Unovabro btw
I mean the issue here is that
>Bugsy: two coccoons lol
>Morty: two haunters and no misdreavus
>Chuck: two pokemon, is fought after Morty who has four
>Jasmine: two magnemites, less pokemon than morty again. when it comes to using dupes morty at least has the excuse of ghost being an under-represented type but steel definitely had plenty of options even in just gen 2
>Pryce: two pokemon from the same line for a type that, while sparse, still had options. Also still less pokemon than morty.
>Claire: they seriously put two dragon specialists into a game with a grand total of 4 dragon types, 3 of which were in the same line
as well as the overall issues of
>movesets lol
>level curve lol
>th-the teams are bad!
every game except USUM is bad, I agree.
Holy frick you're an insufferable homosexual.
I'm sorry my standards are consistent instead of pretending garbage like this is a well designed team just because it's made up of new pokemon.
Are you mindbroken by gen 5 or something?
I put delibird there because i'm thinking of making a hack about that, just a few changes on trainer teams, johto mons' stats, special defense split on gen 1 mons and some moves, i'm not that good at programing or autistic enough to turn crystal into a whole different game.
That team is ok besides the unfezant.
>That team is ok
I wish my standards were this low
>All mons are fully evolved and have stab
The first 3 gens weren't that hard either buddy.
Hot damn! Unova Bird #1, Unova Bird #2, and Unova Bird #3, they really went all out with this party!
Are we really going to pretend that the fifth gym leaders of the previous gens were threatning besides maybe fantina?
He hates all pokemon teams, "I wish my standards were this low" is his calling card.
>Misdreavus
In GSC, almost nobody knows Misdreavus even exists because it appears exclusively on Mt. Silver, which only approved people can visit, namely Champions with Oak's blessing (You and Red), Officials (the Pokemon League itself, the Pokemon Center's capacity to exist and run there, etc.) and High-Class Society (the celebrity hiding from the public).
>Chuck
Blame the fact the only real new Fighting Types were Hitmontop (who Bruno reserved exclusivity rights for) and Heracross (who they wanted to keep an extreme secret that even Bugsy didn't have one).
>Jasmine
The issue being all the Steel Types or their connecting families were already scooped up by other trainers. Scizor would be redundant due to Bugsy, and Forretress would be redundant due to Koga.
>Pryce
Most of those options would have made him too similar to Lorelei from the previous games and thus leave him with no identity except "Lorelei's team but weaker". Delibird's a jokemon and Sneasel was a non-option because Silver already had one, thus they wanted to avoid redundancy.
>Clair
This is moronic as frick, yeah. Even more that her team was handicapped to be "Elite Four Lance" so she wasn't too identical to Champion Lance.
>Scizor would be redundant due to Bugsy
No it wouldn't have? They're in the same line but they have completely different stats and one of them's steel type. It's not any more redundant than all of the gym leaders that literally use the same pokemon twice
>Forretress would be redundant due to Koga.
And why the hell does Koga have a Forretress?
I will say you have a point about Pryce being limited enough that a "fixed" version would be really similar to lorelei, but I think the issue could at least be downplayed if he was an earlier gym leader so they could get away with Dewgong/Sneasel/Piloswine (or Dewgong/Jynx/Piloswine, just sorta depends on whether you think overlap with lorelei is more or less important than overlap with silver)
Misdreavus and Heracross are arguments that were probably the mentality back then, but I really don't agree with them personally. Honestly I think it's more interesting to have some of the gym leaders and such own these rare pokemon because it gets you to think about where you can find them. Granted I can also see the appeal of keeping these as bigger secrets since it kinda gives them this sense of being undiscovered.
I find it odd that Bugsy didn't have a Shuckle with hard stone and defense curl+rollout.
>But that's Whitney's gimmick
Which is weird since rollout isn't even the tm she gives to you.
I find it more weird he didnt have a Heracross or Falkner had a Hoothoot/Noctowl.
fact: Gastly is too weak for a 4th Gym Leader to have, and Seel is also too weak for Pryce.
give Misdreavus instead of Gastly, and Sneasel instead of Seel. fixed.
aces are still Kantomons? don't give a shit, you can cry about it ledditman.
What is this level distribution called?
It's called "a pokemon game that actually lets you explore instead of being a straight line like gen 5"
regular except Pryce should be higher
"the failure of open world"
Well that can't be right, after Misty in gen 1 you can do basically all but the 8th gym in whatever order and it doesn't have this issue.
That's because Gen 1's Teams and AI are so moronic that levels don't matter at all.
It's called "you're a moron who doesn't realize that the level of the Johto gym leaders are actually fine except for Pryce (who's one 3 -4 levels lower than he should be) and the actual issue is that the wild Pokemon are low level and give low exp, which means you have to to the unthinkable and grind a bit to match the levels of the Gym Leaders, except Pokemon games are easy enough that you shouldn't even need to match levels of trainers to be able to defeat them"
The level curve wouldn't be nearly so bad if not for the fact that wild pokemon are ridiculously low level compared to what trainers have. It's no wonder everyone's Johto teams end up looking so samey when it's practically impossible to include any mid/late-game encounters on your team unless you want to stop and spend a few hours grinding up pokemon. And that shit only gets so much worse in Kanto
>Johto Gym 4 Wild Pokémon: 13-16
>Johto Gym 4 Leader Pokémon: 21-25
Difference: 5-12
Mean Difference: 8.5
>Hoenn Gym 4 Wild Pokémon: 14-16
>Hoenn Gym 4 Leader Pokémon: 24-29
Difference: 8-15
Mean Difference: 11.5
>Sinnoh Gym 4 Wild Pokémon: 19-22
>Sinnoh Gym 4 Leader Pokémon: 28-32
Difference: 6-13
Mean Difference: 9.5
>Unova Gym 4 Wild Pokémon: 15-18
>Unova Gym 4 Leader Pokémon: 25-27
Difference: 7-12
Mean Difference: 9.5
Using the Route directly before the town of the 4th Gym, and the level range of the Gym Leader's Pokémon.
Shut the frick up.
Hoenn had tons of trainers you could rematch indefinitely
Sinnoh had Vs. Seeker
Unova had Audios as well as an EXP system that made quickly leveling up pokemon a breeze
Johto doesn't got SHIT for EXP grinding. Trainer rematches via the cellphone are inconsistent and basically nonexistent until post-game, you'll only be hearing about how Joey's rat is in the top percentage. So your only source for consistent EXP to grind up those low level mons are the same low-level wild mons that barely give you shit.
Now compare their 7th gyms.
ah, yes. the johto gyms. where 21/22 pokemon used by the gym leaders are native to the region
Not sure if trolling or moronic.
Ah frick you're right, I miscounted. It's 22 out of 23 Pokemon. So it's actually only 95.6% of Pokemon being native to the region. Gosh, how will I ever recover?
If you think new pokemon are worth frickall, then good for you, but they need to be showcased.
Absolutely! Sequels should completely sideline all past characters – that's how you do effective worldbuilding, everyone knows that!
Why is it always the extremes and never the middle ground for you guys?
pot kettle you dribbling child
the games literally do not do that, you're just an idiot
>the games literally do not do that
>only 4 johto mons out of the entire gym leader roster
Hmmm.....
>the games literally do not do that, you're just an idiot for rightfully thinking having over 90% of the game boss's pokemon be old mons, when old mons only consist of roughly 60% of existing mons at the time
I would think again if I were you, schizo.
>pot kettle
But i don't want everything to be just johto though.
>Sequels should completely sideline all past characters
Don't know about that, but it DEFINITELY shouldn't sideline all newly introduced pokemon.
Indeed anon, that's why we sidelined all the new characters to focus on the old instead of having a good mix of both like hoenn.
Yes. You present the new additions on their own merits and give them the chance to establish themselves. And then you connect them to the previous entries.
As an example, it's why so many people resent Mega Evolution for skipping over all but one Kalosmon [and even that was a Mythical] while giving so many to Kanto. If it's your gen's gimmick, why would you not use the mons introduced to show it's a part of that game's setting? Alola fixed this by giving every starter their own exclusive Z-Crystal/Move as well as making the mechanic part of the plot itself.
Galar also realized the mistake and had both kanto and galar(and a single unova) mons able to gigantamax.
Ah yes, my favorite kanto mons, Houndoom and Slugma.
Correct, just like Beldum/Metang/Metagross are Unova natives in the Giant Chasm
The johto gyms are pretty soulful, but we can go further.
Cubone/Marowak should've been fighting/ghost, no idea why they were ever ground
does nidoqueen even learn anything dragony in gen 4? nidoqueen is based but it's a pretty random addition
>Removing Pryce's signature mon for the vegana oyster
Nice water type gyer you got there
Imagine if Mario fans got mad that Goombas were in every game.
Idc about johto mon but could they atleast have given Bugsy something better than two shitty cocoons that can only spam Harden?
>West Kanto*
How is the Western Part of Kanto relevant to this discusion anon? OP posted the Johto Gym Leaders.
So many Kantotrannies ITT lmfao
Sex with Chuck!
I really don't get why we approach Gen 2 with the expectations of games that were made 10-20 years after. New pokemon that weren't in the original being hard to find is part of the actual gameplay of trying to find and catch them (which is the literal motto of the franchise)
Because a sequel isn't meant to simply be an expansion pak; it should be able to stand on its own. While Johto did a lot mechanically, it dropped the ball hard on promoting the new crop of Pokemon either in trainer teams or in being able to actually encounter a good number of them. People thinking the Slugma line and Skarmory are Hoennmons is not a joke.
>Because a sequel isn't meant to simply be an expansion pak; it should be able to stand on its own.
It does. The entire roster of 151 returns in full color with new sprites, new moves, and a whole new 100 Pokémon, with a brand new region, gym system, etc.
The game promotes backward trading with the original games (stones, TMs, some Pokémon being easier to catch/exclusive to RBY) to catch em all.
>People thinking the Slugma line and Skarmory are Hoennmons is not a joke.
These are zoomers playing the games after the fact and holding 1999 GBC games to the standard of the pisspoor direction the franchise went in later. Nobody thought Slugma and Skarmory were Hoennmons when they were promoted in the TCG and anime and various merchandise.
You intentionally skipped over:
>While Johto did a lot mechanically, it dropped the ball hard on promoting the new crop of Pokemon either in trainer teams or in being able to actually encounter a good number of them
which you then proceeded to agree with by making it all about the old games.
It's honestly the problem with Johto in general. It was the first game's scraps tried to be put back in and called "new content" and really feels like it. It just lacks identity becoming nothing more than a shadow of its older brother.
I skipped over it because it's redundant to what you were saying about Slugma and Skarmory, which you seemed to think was reinforcing the point, but just proved how egregiously stupid you are.
Then allow me to take your argument and apply questioning to it:
Did every child who played Gen II have access to the internet?
The TCG?
The Anime?
The marketing materials?
And so forth. Why would the game's contention not be to ensure the player can access everything with some degree of ease but to rather depend on secondary material?
Did every child who played Gen I have access to a link cable?
Did every child who played Gen II have a GBC with an infrared port?
Did every child who played Gen III have a Colosseum preorder disk?
Did every child who played Gen IV have access to wifi?
Did every child who played Gen V have sufficient brain damage as to be able to enjoy it?
(etc. etc.)
How dare these games take advantage of the technology available to them at the time/capitalize on their popularity to provide a multifaceted, engaging experience. Frick sake lol
>Did every child who played Gen V have sufficient brain damage as to be able to enjoy it?
And the mask slips right off.
cope and seethe, troony. you will never experience peak pokemania
>I really don't get why we approach Gen 2 with the expectations of games that were made 10-20 years after.
Because it's a stupidly simple thing and the better route in hindsight, which is why every game after gen 2 does this.
>New pokemon that weren't in the original being hard to find is part of the actual gameplay of trying to find and catch them.
We aren't arguing about catching johto mons but rather npcs having them, their location would be more forgiving if npc had them so you would know they exist and can be caught.
>their location would be more forgiving if npc had them so you would know they exist and can be caught.
>implying NPCs dont have them
>implying you dont know 100 new pokemon exist when tons of merchandise and advertising is showing off every last one of the new Pokemon
>implying NPCs dont have them
Not a single trainer has Skarmory in GSC.
>implying you dont know 100 new pokemon exist when tons of merchandise and advertising is showing off every last one of the new Pokemon
Not every country had those and some didn't like watching the anime.
>Not every country had those and some didn't like watching the anime.
the game wasn't localized in swahili so the games are bad
NPCs do have most of the Johtomons and you'll get phone calls from the NPCs telling you when the other ones are swarming.
>New pokemon that weren't in the original being hard to find is part of the actual gameplay of trying to find and catch them
I'm not going to hold a spot on my team for an underleveled houndour that can only be caught after the elite 4, it's not even worth it.
"I'm not going to hold a spot on my team for an underleveled fossil/anything in Pokemon Mansion that can only be caught until I get to Cinnabar Island, it's not even worth it"
>I'm not going to hold a spot on my team for an underleveled fossil/anything in Pokemon Mansion that can only be caught until I get to Cinnabar Island
Theoretically you could do that with only 3 gyms defeated so no real issue.
That's also true though.
Few people cared for a very long time. But after XY and it's unique brand of Kanto pandering dropped, people started getting more antsy about Kanto recycling. It also doesn't help that these people tend to replay Pokemon games a lot so Johto using a lot of Kanto pokemon becomes more noticeable; a normal person will just shrug and use Kanto mons they didn't use in RBY and appreciate the stuff Gen 2 adds.
Pic related, the most viral anti-Gen 2 video is from a guy who literally only plays Pokemon and does so as his job. His tastes are completely warped from soneone who consumes a wide variety of games.
>But after XY and it's unique brand of Kanto pandering dropped, people started getting more antsy about Kanto recycling.
What is actually the cause of that change? Backlash against unova having all new pokemon for the main game?
probably that and a mix of aiming for a wider audience since xy was the first 3d mainline game
people can play and say "oh i've seen this before as a child" or "ive heard of this thing before on tv" instead of being bombared with unfamiliar content from a large franchise
at least that is my very cool and very uneducated opinion
people should just take it easy and play the games they like...
Unova’s dex was really unpopular. Till this day, it is still the least popular dex and Unovagays are still assblasted about it.
That's likely it, yeah. Gen 5 merch sales (the primary income for the franchise) probably weren't too hot as well, considering how the entire franchise dropped the "no old mons" stuff a year or two in.
That's true, but it definitely feels like there's been more anxiety over Kanto pandering after XY came out. They probably both feed into each other.
>I'm starting to feel like it's the Gen 5 kids who grew up and are trying desperately to be Kanto 2.0 and throwing every other generation under the bus.
kek, yeah. The early 10s internet had a lot of gen warring between the DS fans and Gen 1/2 fans, which has left DS fans a little insecure especially with Kanto getting the limelight again. Pic related.
I think it's more of a difference of opinion of different age groups. Gen 5 fans like Pokemon Challenges grew up with the mindset that everything needs to be "different" and that every game should strive to create 150+ pokemon every game otherwise the game has no ambition. I'm not really sure where this mindset came from to be honest, I'm starting to feel like it's the Gen 5 kids who grew up and are trying desperately to be Kanto 2.0 and throwing every other generation under the bus.
I wouldn't say that. I started with Yellow and found Gold kinda tedious. It just didn't have that "wow" factor the first game did because I wasn't really seeing too much new compared to the old and it felt even more disappointing to go back to Kanto and see how much of it was gone. I think it's why Ruby hooked me a lot faster, there were still old Pokemon but Hoenn did a hell of a lot more to show off the new crop.
I can see that. Gen 2 is a lot more derivative of the original, so I get why someone wouldn't be happy to play a similar game. Ruby is a lot more novel and tried some different things. That said, I wouldn't say they failed with Gen 2. It was a sequel meant to show the progress of time and create a definitive version
>because I wasn't really seeing too much new compared to the old
I can definitely get why people feel this way when it comes to the Pokemon variety, but I also never minded using Gen 1 Pokemon that you either couldn't encounter until significantly later into the game than Gen 2, had a significantly better variety when it comes to usable moves, and just another opportunity some of the Pokemon introduced from the second largest. Most of those aforementioned reasonings are also why I like BW2 a lot, except with using different Pokemon from the previous mainline games despite being it being the same introductory generation for most of those Pokemon.
Let's also not forget that Gen 3 introduced over 130 mons, it was basically the gen 5 of its time.
Gen 3 didn't try to sever itself from its legacy and create copies of the originals just so it could be Kanto all over again
>create copies of the originals just so it could be Kanto all over again
Hoenn's dex has a bunch of gen 1 clones though, although i guess you're right about the rest.
I don't think there were that many. The Wurmple line put a new spin on the original idea, and I don't think its fair to criticize the fossilmons because it makes sense to continue that for mons that can't exist otherwise. The only real bad offenders are the Gulpin, Corphish, and Spheal lines for basically doing the same thing twice. They really weren't needed.
Because you would need to be old enough to remember, which the zoomers here aren't
Grim. The fifth gym leader only has two pokemon?
Here is how it should’ve been. Assuming it’s HGSS
Falkener: Hoothoot, Pidgeotto
Bugsy: Pineco, Yanma, Scyther
Whitney: Clefairy, Furret, Miltank
Morty; Misdreavus, Cubone, Haunter, Gengar
Chuck: Primape, Poliwrath, Heracross, Machoke
Jasmine: Skarmory, Magneton, Forretress, Steelix
Pryce (Increase Cap to 38): Weavile, Glaceon, Jynx, Mamoswine
Clair: Dragonair, Ampharos, Gyarados, Kingdra
Will: Xatu, Espeon, Slowking, Jynx, Girafarig
Koga: Qwilfish, Venomoth, Forretress, Muk, Crobat
Bruno: Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Donphan, Machamp
Karen: Umbreon, Vileplume, Honchkrow, Mismagius, Houndoom
Lance: Kingdra, Charizard, Tyranitar, Khangaskhan, Aerodactyl, Dragonite
I started with Gold and think gen 2 is very soulful but i don't get why people do 100 mental gymnastics to debunk whatever gripe some randoms on the internet have over it.
Johto fans don't have the consistent pokemania mindset or kanto fans or the post pokemania anything goes mindset of hoenn fans so they are inherently insecure.
>debunk whatever gripe some randoms on the internet have over it.
Because these randos had completely overtaken the discussion. Fans always new Gen 2 has flaws, but Gen 2 was loved anyway for how much it added to the franchise and being amazing games anyways.
Hell, I admit that Gen 2 in general should have promoted the Gen 2 Pokemon more (merch, anime, etc) because they deserved to be promoted instead to taking a backseat to overrated shit from Gen 1
Bugsy team is shit because it has two coccons (giving him Ledian/Shuckle would fix this)
Chucks team is shit because he only has two Pokemon (giving him Heracross would fix this)
Morty team is shit because it uses one family (giving him Misdreavus would fix this.)
Gen 2 Pokemon shouldn't have been locked in Kanto
Also Baby Pokemon can frick off
However you have people say shit like
"Johto Pokemon are too shit to be used" when many of the Gen2 Pokemon suggested for teams are used by later bosses (Koga uses Ariados, Bruno uses Hitmontop, Karen uses Murkrow, The Sprout Tower Sage uses Hoothoot)
"Johto Pokemon are all shit" Every gen has shitmons, most Gen2 Pokemon were at least usable to some extent on release (Murkow has higher Attack than Pidgeot)
"wEst KAnto" like they're being clever when Johto is what people love about GSC, and Kanto was a bonus no one knew would even be in the game (people like Kanto because its more game, not because "Johto would suck without it")
"Johto ONLY has 100 new Pokemon" when 100 new monsters is an amazing amount
"new evolutions don't count as new Pokemon" which is ass backwards logic and if truw ould mean that Sinnoh isn't even a region
"Johto is small" when its packed with a huge amount of content for a late 90's game on a handheld
What's worse is you even have Game Freak pandering to the people who shit all over Gen 2 by fricking over Johto every chance they get, turning the "Johtomons are shit" meme a self-fulfilling prophecy
>Pidgeotto
Matches Falkner's design and motivation more than Noctowl
>Scyther
Esteemed Bug Catcher uses the rarest bug type in the region. Could have had Ledyba and Spinarak over Kakuna and Metapod (even if the first mandatory trainer in the gym uses those former two), sure.
>Clefairy
Works for Whitney's Gym theme
>Gengar
I'd assume Morty didn't have Misdreavous as the player wouldn't be able to encounter it until the final dungeon of the game (which is a different problem), as otherwise he should have it
>Poliwrath
Thematic with where Chuck is located in the region (one of the coastal city). If anything, his problem is moreso that he doesn't have enough Pokemon and Johto lacks Fighting types
>Magnemite
Evolve one of them and Jasmine's team is fine; even better if she has Forretress over the unevolved one remaining.
>Seel and Dewgong
Both are appropriate (other than Seel's lack of the Ice type), just add a Swinub to his team as well
>3/4th of Clair's team
Lack of Dragon Types introduced in Gen 2, so not much that could have been done there. Probably would have had Ampharos if it kept the Dragon typing throughout development
If anything, the biggest fault of the Johto gym leaders is the lack of Pokemon for half of them and the odd scaling with Pryce and Jasmine
Frick off unovaborts
you can't call them that after roe v wade
Why does Gen 3 get significantly less b***hing about compared to most other gens? Most I see is just the lack of backwards trading.
Masuda's first game as full-fledged director. Joe's been paid off not to talk shit about it.
Gen 3 used to be harshly criticized a lot but a lot of those oldgays have moved onto greener pastures. People who grew up with Gen 3 are in their 20s and are the ones ruling the internet right now
It's generally good and not as divisive. Emerald is the best of the older games because it lacks Johto's problems and it doesn't attract people b***hing like, say, Unova
Because no one really cares about Gen 3. It is the middle child of the classic era. Boomers like Gen 1/2 and zoomers prefer Gen 4.
this
which is general age for people who use this site, and why Hoenn gets the least amount of bait threads
Here, fixed.
Now stop whining you autistic homosexuals.
Falkner
>Lv. 9, Lv. 11, Lv. 13
Bugsy
>Lv. 15, Lv. 15, Lv. 18
Whitney
>Lv. 20, Lv. 20, Lv. 22
Morty
>Lv. 23, Lv. 23, Lv. 25, Lv. 27
Chuck
>If done 5th: Lv. 27, Lv. 27, Lv. 29, Lv. 32
>If done 6th: Lv. 29, Lv. 29, Lv. 31, Lv. 34
>If done 7th: Lv. 32, Lv. 32, Lv. 34, Lv. 37
Jasmine
>If done 5th: Lv. 26, Lv. 29, Lv. 29, Lv. 32
>If done 6th: Lv. 28, Lv. 31, Lv. 31, Lv. 34
>If done 7th: Lv. 31, Lv. 34, Lv. 34, Lv. 37
Pryce
>If done 5th: Lv. 26, Lv. 28, Lv. 30, Lv. 32
>If done 6th: Lv. 28, Lv. 30, Lv. 32, Lv. 34
>If done 7th: Lv. 31, Lv. 34, Lv. 35, Lv. 37
Clair
>Lv. 41, Lv. 42, Lv. 41, Lv. 44
Will
>Lv. 44, Lv. 45, Lv. 45, Lv. 45, Lv. 46
Koga
>Lv. 44, Lv. 45, Lv. 46, Lv. 47, Lv. 48
Bruno
>Lv. 46, Lv. 46, Lv. 46, Lv. 47, Lv. 50
Karen
>Lv. 46, Lv. 46, Lv. 48, Lv. 49, Lv. 51
Lance
>Lv. 50, Lv. 53, Lv. 52, Lv. 52, Lv. 53, Lv. 54
Kanto Gyms
>+5 level increase from HGSS teams
is better
remove one of the magnetons from jasmine and give her a skarmory
remove vileplume from karen and give her a sneasel
remove onix from bruno and give him a heracross
remove venomoth from koga and give him a tentacruel
remove crobat from janine and give her a nidoqueen
>Sabrina with a Hypno
When did people start being deliberately obtuse about what "[region] 'mon" means. A kanto mon is 001-151, a johto mon is 152-251, a hoenn mon is anything introduced in gen 3 a sinnoh mon is anything introduced in gen 4 et cetera et certera
no one gives a shit about your gay headcanon about "DURR AKSHULLY WE SEE WILD POEKMON NATIVE TO ANOHTER REGION SO DURR HURR"
My list.
>Bruh but Ka-
Hypno and Arbok should've been retconed into dark types back in GSC, frick you.
Also, i don't care about the other teams.
I like this roster, here's the only swaps I'd make
Swapping Chuck's Hitmontop with Bruno's Poliwrath. Poliwrath I feel fits the guy who trains under a waterfall, and Hitmontop on Bruno's team means he has all three of the hitmons.
Swapping Pryce's Delibird for a Jynx, Delibird is funny and I'd totally include it if Pryce was before Chuck
Also yeah I honestly agree about Arbok and Hypno, Hypno especially would've actually really benefitted from having a second special STAB
I actually had a hard time against Bryce. I went for him first, and had a hard time breaking past resting Dewgongs
I don't mind the use of Kanto Pokemon, but some of the choices are still weird like Metapod/Kakuna.
Why is there even a distinction between Gen 1 and 2? Johto is just the same as Kanto
Because Red and Blue are distinct games from Gold and Silver
Mechanically yes, but there's nothing distinctive outside of that
Johto
100 pokemon
color
different music
you spend the first half of the game in johto
when you get to kanto a lot of the areas were edited because it's been 2 years in-universe
>this makes the anti-Johto gay put down the handheld and start clapping their hands
Friggin sweet, I would have never known Sealeo exists if it wasn't for this dogshit NPC advertising it!
>anti-johto
Are you moronic or what?
And now the gay little loser wants a (You) from the Master. I'm just too handsome for /vp/.
Just because i criticize something doesn't mean i don't enjoy it, i didn't even shittalk johto in this thread.
I sincerely think that Gold and Silver are the worst main series games, but you can't get people to debate you over that without them just telling you to play HG/SS/Crystal.
Alternate reality Johto gym leaders.
what the frick?