What went wrong with the sequel? Is Uchi just a hack or did they rush it?
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>What went wrong with the sequel
Nothing, its the same shit as the original. Something made to appeal twittergays and ironic weebs,
>Is Uchi just a hack or did they rush it
Yes and maybe
First part was KINO
2nd part is just garbage
All story ruined for just a shit plot twist
AI2 would've been better if it was just Ryuki&Tama. Frick all this twinzuki bullshit, it exists only to create WOW-effect for the timeline twist and produces way too many retcons.
Fricking this
Mizaki and Aiba route was awful
Ryuchi route was perfect
I think lots of Mizuki's path was good though, it just saddled with the bad parts.
Yeap
The bad parts were just to force the dumb plot twist
Unfortunately. Otherwise I thought it was fine. I think they shouldn't do another dual protagonist game though. The AIs kinda gotta backseated. And Date should not have been in this. Funny lad, but he wasn't used well in this.
I wished they increased the interation and the routes
This game is 100 times more linear than the first 1
It was fine. I did notice however that Uchikoshi didn't direct Nirvana as he did with the first game, just wrote the scenario. Could have something to do with it.
>ask if Zero Escape is possible
>Uchi answers "gee-gee!!"
this is too complex for me, what he means by this?
>What's with the statue of liberty stuff?
To differentiate between the AI (simulation) world and real world, and maybe foreshadowing for Gen and Ryuki.
>why did Tokiko kill herself
It's part of her plot to get the frayer to notice
>why did Uru call himself Dahlia Boat in various ends
It's part of Tokiko's plot to get the frayer to fray the world. The name itself is an anagram of Ialdabaoth, the false god that created the world and binds souls to their material bodies.
>why did nobody mention an older Mizuki existing to her younger sister
Because it's stupid to assume that someone you see now is a clone or relative just because they resemble someone you think is unrelated to them that you saw six years ago.
>why does Date have Saito’s face and voice
Meta: To prevent spoilers for AI1.
In-game: See the explanation for face. As for the voice, Date (89) and Saito always had the same voice (actor) in Japanese, the shitty localization just gave them two different voice actors.
>What is the answer to hidden bats
Fray Dumb Letter
>why is Bibi wearing the same clothes and using the same bike as older Mizuki
Standard school uniform, ABIS-issued jacket and bike and equipment.
>Whose tooth was it
Jin's
>What was the point of the timeline trick
To trick the frayer into fraying
>Is there any point to the timeline trick in terms of the actual story and characters
No
>Should I play Ever17
No
>What is the garbled text saying
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2022/06/29/ryukis-cryptic-dialogue-explained-ai-the-somnium-files-nirvana-initiative/
>Why did Shoko even adopt Mizuki?
Bad retconning
>Why is Komeji's head square
Because
>Why did none of the AI-Balls notice a missile launch facility under the stadium
Tungsten
>How did Shoma disappear from the ferris wheel
He got on 6 years ago and then there's a scene change to present, Ryuki is a schizo.
>Why is the other psync machine still there
Saito rigged it to blow up if moved and they didn't want to destroy it
>why old psync machine no longer required eye removal
Upgraded by ABIS
>none of this is in the game
It's in the original Japanese text in the appendix (82), the shitty localization got lazy and just removed large amounts of details for no reason.
>Are Ryuki's parents alive?
No. In English the limo is all he has left of his parents. in Japanese he calls the limo a katami meaning "something received from a dead person" of them. They're dead.
>What's the contradictions regarding Mizuki people mention?
In AI1 in Japanese Shoko explicitly says she gave birth to Mizuki and in 2 they had to add a scene with Mizuki recalling this and commenting on it to cover how bad the contradiction is. English version mistranslated the line to begin with.
>Where do I put the number from the end?
First meeting with Tokiko
>What do I do with the last appendix password?
AR game website
>Is the AR game actually relevant to AI2?
no
>Marco or Maruko
Maru means circle/ball, -ko is a suffix for female names in Japanese.
>What are the name puns this time?
Komeji Andes: Comedian tbh
Shouma: Showman (Shouma)
Amame Doi: Mermaid (Maameido)
>How is frayer the player?
フレイヤ― Frayer
プレイヤー Player
>English version mistranslated the line to begin with.
It didn't mistranslate shit, a literal translation sounds really bad.
(you)
OOF, you got me there, that's a strong argument, but I'm still not convinced.
EVEN HIS FATHER NOTICED HIM DISAPPIER TARD
That place was just a entrance to a nexus base
she's only a not a villain by virtue of us not yet playing a character that's not working for her. Think about it, all the ABIS agents we've seen so far are either deeply loyal to her through events that were originally designed to blackmail the frick out of them (Falco/Date), severe mental health issues (Ryuki), severe physical health issues (Bibi), and failing all that if she thinks there's the slightest chance an agent won't agree with her on something she sics the SAT teams on their ass (Mizuki). Remember, the body-swap plot in the first game was her idea in the first place.
>>why did Tokiko kill herself
>It's part of her plot to get the frayer to notice
>
>>why did Uru call himself Dahlia Boat in various ends
>It's part of Tokiko's plot to get the frayer to fray the world.
This still means nothing, why do you keep insisting?
>>why is Bibi wearing the same clothes and using the same bike as older Mizuki
>Standard school uniform, ABIS-issued jacket and bike and equipment.
This is a lie, why do you keep repeating it? WE already had this yesterday, the outfit was chosen by mizuki, stop with your headcanon to path plot holes.
After you already use fricking headcanon to explain shit, what's the point in reading anything you say?
moron EOP
>no argument
I accept your concession
>why did Tearer call himself Dahlia Boat in various ends
Dahlia and Boat are key phrases that ensure the Frayer would observe the timelines in his desired order. The order the Frayer perceives the story is important to the plan to reach Moksha.
And characters inside the game have no influence on how the player percives things.
Not counting that separating it into 2 endings doesn't amount to anything more than if it had been only one.
But Tearer's use of the Dahlia Boat key phrases does influence the way we see the story. It ensures (honest) players go through Ryuki's path before Mizuki's.
Yes, and how the frick did Tearer put the Dahlia Boat check in Ryuki's somnium?
The schizo virus. It installed a lock in his head that would only respond to a certain key phrase.
he gets infected in the future though, did you actually play the game or are you another vtuber watcher? lmao
>he gets infected in the future. did you even play?
The irony of this post.
Yes, congrats on picking up it was irony.
But he does get infected in the future
I think you're confused. When do you think Ryuki gets infected exactly? He's already infected by the time Tearer is holding Tama hostage and forcing Ryuki to do his bidding, and that all occurs in the past.
Different anon but
>He's already infected by the time Tearer is holding Tama hostage and forcing Ryuki to do his bidding
What makes him infected there? I was pretty sure he only gets infected in the future too.
He gets infected when Toriko is dead, so the anons who say he got future infected are right
People are confused about when Ryuki got sprayed by the PERGEbox cause it has one of the most deceptive scene transitions in the game. You go from present day when he investigates Tokiko's murder, gets sprayed, and falls of the bridge right to a scene of boss berating him and saying he needs to solve the case or get demoted. Except the 2nd scene is from 6 years ago and Boss is mad at him for shooting the mascot not falling.
Actually, who the frick was he even chasing out of the cathedral? Only Amame comes to mind since Uru and Tokiko were already dead.
It was Amame yes
It was Amame, yeah. And he sees her as a blue dude because... Hiding info from the player for plot inconvenience reasons.
it's because he was just shot with TC-PERGE and was hallucinating.
Tama refused to share this info with ABIS to keep Ryuki safe
Kinda fricked up of her
He gets infected when he opens the box after Tokiko dies, literally said himself in mizuki chapter 5
The bike was said to be ABIS property by Aiba but I never picked up anything about the outfit, hair, and equipment.
Equipment we can assume was from ABIS, and maybe Bibi saw little Mizuki wearing yellow and requested yellow stuff to be made, then they make multiple sets of everything and Mizuki eventually wears them too.
Not sure why Bibi chose to wear the high school uniform, maybe to blend in or because Kizuna/every relevant teen girl was going there, and then Mizuki ends up choosing that school in the future since every female friend she has went there in the past.
Frick the hair, there's no explaining that outside of hurrr clones raised in very different environments like same thing.
At this point you're just trying to come up with explanations, but they're still plotholes.
And it was young Mizuki the one that chose the outfit, iirc the conversations happens when leaving shoma's empty house on Mizuki chapter 1, it may be necessary to examine the kotatsu.
Then young Mizuki "chose" the outfit she saw at ABIS because it was already there.
Nice headcanon
Okay keep seething over the existence of an outfit that can be easily inferred.
>easily
You went through 20 hoops to explain that shit
Well Mizuki was cute and Bibi was also cute what AI3 really needs is Date adopting Bibi as his daughter so Bibi has a good excuse to lewd Mizuki
yurincest is the best
Twincest even better sometimes.
Finally Bibi art
Mating sex with Tama
Anon is about to switch minds with Tokiko
>Mystery of Ryuki's name
>Free the Soul Fray to Free % mirrored and split in two
>Shoma = Delta
>M715.mkv
>X00639
>Infinity symbol of Lemniscate
>final nirvana spell
>Sejima genetic modifications
>Naix NFTs
>Is Uchi just a hack or did they rush it?
Uchi's always been a hack and they did rush it
For those that have finished, what's more fun: the game or the shitposting about the game?
Tricking people into fact-checking to create more holes in reality.
You can find Ryuki's brother under the truck in Iris's somnium.
There are no trucks in Iris's somnium, I'm not taking your bait
The best parts are when
>EOP posters get things wrong
>JP posters get them to fact check
>they still get things wrong
>it turns out the English version mistranslated or omitted key details
uh no you didn't play the game... obviously... 🙁 Why can't I just ad hominem in peace...
literally this
are we always gonna have moronic JP players like every thread now? it was fun while it lasted
keep seething, EOP moron
rip comfy aini threads then, jp player ruined them
The localizers could have just not omitted information. Typos are fine, but this is just bad localizing.
If there's a plot hole in EN that doesn't exist in JP then yeah, it's a pretty big fricking deal. People will be asking about this for years to come with people needing to inform them that it is not a plothole because the localizers couldn't bother to translate 2-3 more lines.
Cool, but why are you providing proof for something I didn't argue about?
The memes are always golden for this series so its a tough pick. I enjoyed parts of the game for sure.
Both, honestly. The story might have the timeline swap and lol2mizuki which is much harder to decipher than brain swapping besides one or two specific hints like the Urushi's line about the guards letting the power being cut twice in a few daya even though the events at the time are thought to be years apart but this one also had better somniums and still fun to try and piece together.
I've already spoiled myself so honestly I'm in it for the stuff I like about the first game - atmosphere, music, dream weirdness, and banter.
I think the first had better story elements in the somniums. And more memorable. It was haunting to be in the killer's.
But I do like them here too, but I think the Escape room and Amame's raising the overall quality, which is why people like it more.
I also personally wasn't too big a fan of the minigames in them.
True, since that was the second somnium a lot of people saw and it was insane. 2 also has less edge gor whatever reason, where 1 had two teens being sawed im half, so (boss) cut up in pieces, renju(iris) being hooked up and strangled, etc. The one look we get at So's crazy genes this time is mostly not even Uru's fault
Will Shoma be the future inventor of the psync machines and possibly the simulated world we experience in-game?
>name means "showman"
>tech prodigy child
>ageless, meaning he'll have access to advance future tech someday
>his somnium details his desire to escape into his creations, but also that his changes in his creation can affect real life changes (sorta like how somniums work)
Just seems like there's more in store for this character.
4 more years
>aiba with the entomologist outfit+ceo glasses
my autistic AI gf can't be this cute
You'd like Phi.
I do, yeah
Mating sex with Tokiko
>AI3
>turns out all the characters are non-frayed versions of 999/VLR/ZTD characters placed in a simulation after they failed to stop Radical-9
Think about Quantum Computer Dome's function
Think harder
? I can only remember Q and Aiba both being powered by quantum computers that can peer into other realities
>Zero also reveals that the Quantum computer contains all of the histories inside it and that if someone were to access it they could jump freely through time.
Elgorg, the company that made Wadjet system, is an anagram for Logger, as in making and keeping logs.
Isn't the company named Elgoog in Ai2? "Google" backwards, obviously. Someone should ask Uchi if the first spelling was merely a localization mistake.
>Elgorg vs Elgoog
Are we LIBERTY ISLAND again?
There's a guy deliberately spreading misinformation in these threads, just ignore him.
She has no right to be so smug.
She does when she is cute.
It's Takagi's Theorem.
What did he mean by this?
>GG
>Good game
i.e. it's over
Really makes you think
Ai3 will tie all his series together when it turns out that the Wadjet system is the "logical" explanation behind the morphogenic field, shifting, etc.
Don't forget Blick Winkel and the magic black orb of temporal teleportation.
Who holds the rights for the infinity series nowadays anyway?
It's a reference to the Nirvana xxx video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ
We need Gankers' best minds on this.
>We need Gankers' best minds on this.
he was listening to that song while scrolling through his twitter getting ready to dunk on some gays.
Imagine being him. Chilling with your hack brother Kodaka as you make the most insane twists and make your own video games.
Can't hate the man or the lifestyle.
Isn't the Infinity dude also with them?
That's still Uchi though.
No, I'm talking about Takumi Nakazawa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takumi_Nakazawa
Ah, he was the director while Uchi wrote.
If he hangs out and makes them a trio, I don't know. BUT he did have a hand in that Death club game, so I think you might be right.
Found him
You can see him in the creators section of Tookyo Games offical website listed as a "Game designer/Director".
we'd all give half our organs to live like him
Wanna see my nanofiber string?
From what I understand, it's basically a glorified creator union because Kodaka got sick of making Danganronpa. I wonder how he managed to convince everyone else to join him.
there's actually something that bothered me about the writing
the carbon nanowire trick already made me wonder how whoever went to switch the lights back on didn't have their fingers sliced off, and later on they established that it really is the murder weapon in most cases
>imageboards
I guess you need strong force to cut through, not just lightly touching.
probably, I'm too used to absurdly sharp carbon nanowires in media
I thought it was pretty fun and interesting. Not as good as the first but a great experience overall.
The timeline twist was pretty fun on a meta level, espeically considering how much more meta this game is than the first. It carries some interesting story implications too with the whole frayer thing and the final twist with Tokiko.
Ryuki deserevd more love however. Hope to see more of him and Tama in a future game and have Date back as the playable mc.
bros why the frick can't uchikoshi write anymore
his asspull meta twists at least used to have some thought put into them but world's end club and ai 2 are so low effort it's insane
>dude I'm keeping this serial killer's face as a mask lmao!
Hate that they did this
There's so much misinformation in these threads I don't know what's real anymore
I thought Tearer's name was going to be Jang
Yes.
go back to playable date in 3 or i don't care
Ryuki's dead brother was a red herring
Very surprised
I was waiting for it to appear (especially as I had a clone theory) but I had a sneaking suspicion it didn't matter.
fun fact most of the time you see a broken clock in Ryuki's route, they're set to the same time that Ryuki's brother died at
>uchi says trying to SHIFT or use morphogenetic field would potentially cause events to simply repeat rather than change until whatever HiddenBats is is defeated
For me the Divergent ending came down to "do you want the happy ending enough to give the literally schizophrenic man knowledge that would absolutely frick their perception of reality and essentially render them emotionally hollow now knowing that nothing matters?" I thought that was a really cool final and personal choice whether or not to give Ryuki the knowledge of the world but they didn't really go into it enough.
Unrelated side note: I've played both AI games, as well as 999/VLR (avoided ZTD but i know about the COMPLEX memes, etc.). Should I try Remember11 and Ever17? I hear it wouldn't be worth playing now since I've seen it been said that Uchi has recycled every twist from both games so I feel like I wouldn't enjoy it as much. Are they still worth playing even if you can probably tell the twists ahead of time? Assuming it's timeline and perception-based twists where things did not actually happen as you see them.
Ever17 has the same "overall twist" as AINI but the context is totally different
sadly i think that's the one i've been spoiled on more, is that the one where you think one event happened from two perspectives but it was actually two different events happening from one perspective each time?
Yes, and it's done in the same way as AI NI.
>They hide it from you that a character doesn't age
>Character looks exactly the same and has the same name and acts the same BUT OOPS IT WAS ACTUALLY A CLONE
>Here's an immortal AI to round out the cast to make it look even more like they're all the same people
The twist is actually relevant to the main story (unlike AI NI's) and pulls it off way better, though.
The conclusion is a pile of dog shit unfortunately, it's literally just the same as the Frayer end in AI NI, except that everyone just accepts the happy ending that came out of nowhere the end. AI NI's version of it actually feels like an antithesis to Ever17's shitty deus ex machina.
Disagree. The conclusion is good and well explained. It's just more deus ex machina than anything
You MIGHT be right that it's done better in AI2, but I don't know, as they aren't that similar.
I didn't mean to say in any way that the frayer ending in AI NI is good at all. Only that the player deus ex machina thing is fricking moronic, and that NI making it out to be an ominous "was this really the right thing to do" was an antithesis to it.
I would have liked it to be a real ending with a real route but it just feels like a bonus secret thing.
R11 is explicitly incomplete, Uchikoshi has gone on record saying that they released it missing the final chapter.
Felt like he just wrote himself into a corner with the suspense and had to bullshit something to me.
Uchikoshi apparently thought so himself too, and the Xbox 360 version of Ever17 has a completely different ending and explanation for the twists, completely doing away with the player saves the day shit, but I haven't played it and can't go into detail. That version of the game is still stuck on the 360 too, all the releases that came after it are based on the old version.
I was the anon that asked about R11 and E17; definitely going to read E17 seeing how much people liked it on here (even with spoilers i'm excited to see the small stuff i wasn't spoiled on), but I'm guessing I should avoid R11 if I want anything with an actual conclusion? I've been avoiding Your Turn to Die for the same reason; it looks great and I want to play it, but I also don't want to wait months or years to get my ending and would rather just wait till it's done.
Go for Never7 instead.
Do not play Remember11. It's just bad and incomplete. Imagine playing AINI but it ends on the Ryuki route explosion ending (no Mizuki parts at all) and they just tell you "LOL DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS, BYE".
>Do not play Remember11. It's just bad and incomplete. Imagine playing AINI but it ends on the Ryuki route explosion ending (no Mizuki parts at all) and they just tell you "LOL DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS, BYE".
It just struck me that it might have been really interesting if they released the Ryuki and Mizuki routes as two games separately (maybe at half price to compensate), with Mizuki coming at least several months later.
Be warned that E17 is absolutely fantastic for 90% of the game but steaming crap for the last 10%.
Never7 doesn't hit E17's highs but it stays consistently good throughout.
But the real good Uchikoshi VNs are Memories Off 1 and 2
Still better than R11's non-ending
There's more to like than the EPIC TWEEST
Oh, for sure. I'll probably give it read seeing anons still recommend it, it just feels like I'll have to go in with tempered expectations having seen a lot of the twists used already plus
pointing out how AINI does the Fraying thing better and leaves you actually wondering if what you did was the right thing.
The double Mizuki twist in Ever17 is done way better and is worth a look.
Just be warned that the last 20% of the game is a huge wet fart where they just go "actually we were trying to summon frayer all along here he comes to save the day and deus ex machina us to salvation hoorayyy".
There's still a bunch of surprises to be had and the majority of the game IS some of Uchikoshi's best stuff.
>The double Mizuki twist in Ever17 is done way better and is worth a look.
100%
I can forgive it since it's Ushi's early work and I feel like I can deal with some pacing/conclusion issues after playing other VNs that start out amazing then frick it up at the conclusion *cough*Raging Loop*cough*still liked it but why the frick did it end like that
Go play it. Even if that is true (it might not) there's so much more.
Also some dude just spoiled even MORE twists, so LEAVE.
Both are a good read. Ever17 stuck with me more though.
Ever17 as a pretty great twist basically
but the pacing is atrocious.
Remember11 is fricking amazing but sadly unfinished.
Ryuki should have actually died in the true end to give you another layer to the dilemma.
I can agree with that, I thought his "death" at the stadium was way too obviously not going to stick, and 2's epilogue with "oh look ryuki's back!" felt like a cheap repeat of Aiba's return in 1. Especially when boss says "he's gone, there was nothing you could do" and Date says "Don't talk to me about him" in the literal same day.
I like how Date is being so cringe in the ending that even Iris, the embodiment of cringe, is cringing at him.
The trivia scroll about how Mizuki is watching her adopted dad flirt in the cringiest way possible with her elementary school teacher/bestie's mom/motherly figure cracked me up the most about that scene.
I loved Ever17. Go ahead.
DAHLIA
BOAT
Explain broken watches to me.
Right twice a day. No need to thank me.
Ryuki's brother's watch broke when he got trucked
They remind Ryuki of it
I think it needed more sex jokes
Nice trips and you're right, but it's hard when all the main viewpoint characters are virgins.
>mizuki
>virgin
ryuki's definitely an incel tho.
No, he's a vulcel, you can have him sex up the secretary.
Mizuki's most definitely a virgin. Bibi on the other hand... working with yakuza and never saw action? I don't think so
Ryuki has sex with Tama daily
Date to Ryuki: how did you know Tearer had an iron mask
Confused me, thinking "Did I learn this in another path way and am not remembering it, morphogenetically?
Stupid me, took a day or two to realize: It was just a hint that Ryu had actually met Tearer by this point
non-chronologically we first learn what tearer looks like during the studio dvaita investigation before amame's first somnium
Why does this hack always ruin the first game of the series and retcons it back and forth just so he can write some autistic shit in the sequels?
Danganronpa is better in every way despite being a parody of his shit
Tearer isn't as scary as Saito, and his goal is just dumb. Saito was just better in every way.
Tearer, especially in English, reminded me of Zero from ZTD too much.
also lost to a waitress from a maid restaurant. kek
>also lost to a waitress from a maid restaurant. kek
More of a strategic suicide.
Saito is an opportunistic psycho. He makes for a fine one-off villain, but that's it. Uru is tortured super genius that was basically one step ahead of the the characters and the player the entire game, ultimately achieving his plan to ascend his dear mother and fulfill all her prophecies.
Would've been better if Tokiko was the actual mastermind using Uru for her goals.
Yes
You give him way too much props.
>You give him way too much props.
Do I? His successes seem to outnumber his failures. Did he make a single misstep at all? His death to Amame was All Part of the Plan™.
>prerecorded videos that contained perfectly fitting responses to the situations happening at the stadium
yeah he was just too good
It was a part of the plan, but not his plan.
getting caught and harvested
Had to be done to blackmail Amame. He knew that letting Amame murder him would create the saddest timelines for the characters the Frayer is observing. It was necessary to urge the Frayer to reach for the happier ending, which requires them to ascend his mother to Moksha. It was all for the sake of manipulating the Frayer.
The TC-PERGE plot is a distraction from his real goal.
Ok, I'll put it into the believable conspiracy theories. It's got merit.
I dunno man, his diary spells out that his goal is Nirvana Initiative and he's waiting for TC-PERGE to be complete. Tokiko doesn't mention either in the end. Remember, her skill is prophecy. I think Uru was genuinely trying to brag to Amame when he got bonked. He probably didn't know that Komeji was her father.
I think Uru was genuinely trying to brag to Amame when he got bonked. He probably didn't know that Komeji was her father.
he was definitely bragging but Amame does tell him. Whether he knew before? I think no.
Also, regarding prophecy. Tokiko says in her log that she learned the great deception of this world after she slit her wrists. That was before Uru killed Jin and came to her with his plan and after she taught Uru Naix stuff to help him cope. Uru's plan was not based on the truth that she has discovered.
The diaries are meant to be seen by the Frayer. It's all to trick us that the TC-PERGE plot is the real goal. A dire, world-threatening plot is crafted to get us invested.
The truth she learned from her NDE is that the game world is a simulation. Uru's grand plan concerns how to reach Moksha. The timeline is: Tokiko discovers reality is false, teaches belief to Uru, Uru masters quantum mechanics, Uru comes to his mother with the plan to manipulate Frayer and reach Moksha. It's in this way that he is fulfilling his mother's prophecy, which his bio page describes.
Couldn't kill Date and he let him escape. His final video assumed he succeeded.
>Did he make a single misstep
>Threatens Ryuki to kill Date
>he doesn't kills Date
>explosion kills no one
>simps for Amame
>visibly surprised when she kills him
>planned to fray with the rest of the world
>no one frays
>stll plays a recorded message of success.
He achieved nothing but revenge on the two people he hated the most and theb died a pathetic simp death, the whole 'he achieved mommy's plan is a massive cope' since no one but Shigure was aware of her own personal plan which is why she has Amame carry the last bits of her plan. Saito and Tearer in the end are both cartoon villains but Saito at least had the merits of killing key characters if you messed up somnium routes so at least he felt threatening.
Was it really his plan? I thought TC-PERGE was his plan and Tokiko bet on him losing because you wouldn't be able to deliver the nil number otherwise
This is correct.
It's because Saito's role got split between 4 people. Plus Tearer couldn't be as scary as Saito because Saito was unhinged maniac killing people at random, while Tearer had very deliberate plan that doesn't change, which is why there's little to no variety in routes.
Well that's cause Tokiko is the true mastermind, and she's legitimately offputting.
no one plays AI somnium files for the plot, you play to watch the AI ball and their operators be fricking silly
I messed up the quiz answers at the beginning. Do I have to restart now?
SEX WITH BOTH MIZUKIS AT ONCE
This but Boss and Tokiko
This but Boss and Tama
this but amame, iris and kizuna
this but with any of the women in this game.
Shcokingly, No wrong answers so far.
Hmmmmmmm, ok, one wrong answer.
>he doesn't want a JK 4some
Iris the eggplant.
But I wouldn't say no, I guess.
Got it right: There are no losers in the women selection for this game.
I was upset we couldn't meet more mermaid girls.
eggplant
eggplant
i love eggplant
tofu
tofu
i love mapu tofu
The aiballs could manipulate hormone production and usage or something like that right? They can probably mess with other systems in the body. So technically creating the illusion of sex while projecting themsleves should be possible right? RIGHT?
Ryuki please. You cannot physically frick Tama and you know it.
Clearly the option is to project Tama's image over the Boss while fricking her.
I want to skullfrick Ryuki and frick Tama by proxy
What is with the 999 section with Aiba? Easter egg or significant?
Hinting at the 999 remake they're working on.
Spoiler: Tokiko will show up as a cameo
How would Saito and Uru interact if they ever met?
Write the plot of AI3.
Date is MC again, Bibi has been adopted into the household and made up for Mizuki burning all his porn mags by getting him some more, Date and Mizuki share custody of Aiba and they work together on a case, there's another Mizuki clone but it's not actually a clone because it's a boy and he's actually Mizuki's real brother and at the end of game Date adopts him too and to Mizuki's horror he actually has the same tastes as Date.
Something something why nobody can remember Kaniza's name
Why don't just they just ask if they don't remember or don't know?
Why hasn't he introduced himself? we're colleagues.
If Uchi continues the autism about not spoiling previous games then there's no real room to grow. We have tons of threads to explore like Ryuki's past or simulation theory, but they can't directly deal with any of the events from AI2 like showing Bibi on screen or showing that it's a simulation.
With spoilers my guess will be it's another game with shifting perspectives where you're solving a crime both in the simulated world and real one. Hell maybe even Iris' murder if Uchi is insane enough to let a twitter poll actually kill her off, there's certainly time to incorporate that since AI3 would be in a few years.
Is the first one good? So far it's just another glorified vn with juvenile dialogue without the escape gimmick making it interesting
Very good.
What's your biggest want for Ai3? I want the Tama and Date combo. His porno powers would break everything.
just more date+aiba
Bibi and Mizuki openly flirting with each other
A bigger case where Date gets info from the Wadjet system and Ryuki frays the shit out of everything so they can both solve the case together.
Mizuki can go to lgbtq+ parade and stay there the whole game.
>Dahlia Boat
>MORPHOGENETIC FIELDS AGAIN BABYYY
frick you uchi, my other timeline self will find your address and i'll just happen to know it when i build a thermite bomb
moron, dahlia boat is fraying
I wonder if Tokiko will cameo in Anonymous;Code, since it's also a VN about world simulations (though it's supposedly about an infinite stack of simulations instead of the parallel ones like in AI)
I'm kinda mad they already revealed SAVE HACKING to draw attention to Anonymous;Code since that could have been a fun/moronic twist when it first happened in the story.
That's one of the first things Chiyo revealed back then in 2016. I understand that going in completely blind is almost always the best course of action, but sometimes it isn't possible. Imagine having to sell someone on Steins;Gate without mentioning time travel - how do you even do that? Or Somnium without psyncing.
>tfw no fluorescent shrimp gf
I hated this feel a few years ago and now it's happening again
Get a fluorescent shrimp tulpa
Did ABIS let Mizuki have Aiba during high school after she lost her eye in the cathedral explosion but before ABIS hired her, or did she just work with a glass eye or eyepatch or something?
Errr, Mizuki didn't lose an eye in such an event. And I doubt the person you MEAN went to high school.
I thought whenever Mizuki's model from the first game appeared in a Ryuki segment, that was actually the younger Mizuki, not Bibi, because Bibi was either in the masked woman costume or Mizuki's design from the newer game. That model of Mizuki had the whole "bleeding from eyesocket" shit this game uses to symbolize eye loss during the explosion.
Nah, but I see why you would think that. I had to rethink this post.
There's a line where younger Mizuki says she removed her eyes to join ABIS
Also I think a line about hearts in the cathedral?
this mazuki tells Ryuki that "she's happy Aiba's back, too" on the 15th, which doesn't really make sense if it was just in her eyesocket, fwiw
Which day? I'm assuming this is actually Past (6 years ago). And Aiba was just on a trip or some shit due to porno.
yeah this is past
Sorry, I'm a dumbfrick (though it's all your fault), i thought you were disagreeing. You should have (You)'d the guy who was confused, not me who knew I was right.
What are you talking about? I'm the OP of this chain, who's curious what was going on in the younger Mizuki's eyesocket between past and present, since I think the person caught in the explosion was actually her. Some anons disagreed, so I went back to look for footage that would try to prove it - found Feb 15th (past) Mizuki with first game model saying she's happy Aiba's back, which I think is pretty definitive evidence that the Mizuki that was caught with the eye wound graphic was the one we knew.
too many goddamn Mizuki's, I'm losing it at this point. Yes, younger lost her eye
No idea how they resolved it though. I don't think I saw it in trivia.
>JP TEXT IS DIFFERENT
Nobody cares. If they released the game with its current EN translation and it’s not patched out then it’s canon.
The ultimate moron
This is the same moron who shit up three threads straight because he refused to read the fricking appendix, stop replying to him.
You're a literal schizo, it's been a different one each time, but I guess that's autism (yours) for you.
almost every thread now this guy makes these shitty baits and you morons keep replying to them
See
It was great though
My only real gripes are that the Gen/Amame + Lien/Kizzy endings were pretty lacking, and that I'm very worried AI3 will lean full on into the simulation theory and take place after Ryuki-Divergence
>I'm very worried AI3 will lean full on into the simulation theory and take place after Ryuki-Divergence
Why would that worry you? I'd be hyped as frick. Screw these people that want Uchi to "keep it grounded." Mundane investigation games are a dime-a-dozen.
Because once you throw out the idea of your story even taking place in reality within its own canon, everything loses its meaning. The divergence was incredibly cool in the moment going from the epilogue to the nil number input, but the "golden end" you make by Ryuki fricking up causality felt extremely hollow.
Meh, I respectfully disagree. Meaning isn't necessarily lost with a "false reality" reveal, it only changes the meaning. The key is to have the new meaning be equally or more compelling, and to not hand-wave away everything that happened in the false reality.
I think the divergent end is supposed to feel hollow because the player was essentially manipulated into helping the mastermind to achieve the happy end.
Honestly AI is such a third-rate mystery that I'd prefer it Uchi went full sci-fi
Uchi is too moronic for real sci-fi, he'll pull another 9000 deus ex machines up from his ass to cover up his lack of knowledge, all that mixed up with a huge occult ~~*lore*~~ (also pulled out from his ass). What I liked about AI, and 999 until the ending, is how grounded it was. Uchi can white a good mystery, but his COMPLEX PLOT DEVICES ruin fricking everything.
Both AIs are already full sci-fi with bodyswaps and cloning and AI-balls. The problem is that "lol it's all fake Pla-I mean Frayer nothing's real just play with the timelines lol" is it makes the entire game meaningless(and also proves the villains right).
>implying the villains were supposed to be wrong
You can be insane with a bad attempt at your goals yet still be right.
If Naix were wrong and the AI world was real then their actions are wrong, but since apparently the world is a simulation which you can escape then what they did is correct, Tokiko even engineers her own ascension as well as a timeline where nobody but Jin and Chikara die in a very Delta like way.
They set up this whole theme in Shoma end about how you shouldn't deny reality and that love is important your connections are real etc. only for that to get turned on its head by the fact it's all fake and we can just glitch our way into solving the case 6 years early.
Did Hidden Bats have literally any relation to the game or is it just threequel bait?
Hidden bats? I thought that was just related to the bats video.
Damn, man, do you even fray
https://somniumfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Hidden_Bats
Iris(real world since Uchi is real) was fricking murdered by the fanbase
https://twitter.com/HiddenBats/status/1536891506124267520
https://twitter.com/Lemniscate_Aset/status/1536171748680421376
https://twitter.com/Ota_Matsushita/status/1537255416429572096
https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/1537418543440216066
I totally fricking forgot about this. I must be on the wrong timeline.
Kino
>Iris(real world since Uchi is real) was fricking murdered by the fanbase
It was an autist using a bot.
AI3 starring punished Ota and Moma on the case to track down Iris' killer.
The themes they spouted on the messages ended up applying to the game, but honestly aside from Iris being a frayer, nothing really important was revealed. It would be wild if every single one of the kidnapped characters ended up being relevant in AI3 though.
Big tiddie.
Tiddie.
There are big tiddys sitting behind the desk
>play the first game
>kinda alright
>get the bad ending for not being a simp
>no motivation to explore the other branches
ick
Ryuki could have had the same ending as divergence if only he had sacrificed 6 months with Tama, what a douche.
It was great till the last Quarter
Then it was all cringe
eyeball breasts
Ryuki gets pegged by this nightly
She's literally skullfricking him 24/7
Are AIballs basically slimegirls? This goo is organic, you can even eat it. It's safe to put your dick in that.
Do not put your dick in your food anon.
Watermelon
I want to touch Tama's great evil.
where do i even download ever 17?
AINI's "Diverge Timeline" is a lot better because it isn't treated as a golden true ending where everyone is happy. Mizuki and Bibi are clearly unsatisfied even if they don't know why, and Ryuki doesn't like where he left the things.
It's treated moreso as an alternate timeline that bleeds into Resolution if you don't tell Ryuki what happened
Does anything happen if you choose to not tell him? shouldn't it just end?
Game continues as if you didn't give her the nil number which is lame since you would think Tokiko should still escape the simulation.
Gee, it's almost like the world IS real and div end is just Ryu's schizo. Breaking news.
It just goes right back to the scene as if you told Tokiko you were not a frayer, and she remains in the game as normal
Gotcha, that's waht I expected.
Uchi is a hack incapable of diverging from concepts not already discussed in nonary games
You mean infinity series.
I think the major twist was not worth it. It feels like it took a lot of effort from the writer, and a lot of setup and contrivances, and when it was revealed I was more like "huh.." instead of "HOLY SHIT".
I actually found it detrimental to the experience because
-Having Date show up in Mizuki's route (actually taking place in the past) ruined his return in the Amame/Gen route
-Big Mizuki's stuff in the past has her tiptoe around all the people close to small Mizuki because that would give things away making it unsatisfying in terms of character interactions
-I did like what it did for Ryuki's narrative, but it also has the side effect of him and Tama just not being relevant for the entire latter half of the game, which made the interactions with him feel off.
yeah, good points. Setting up the twist just requires too much sacrifice.
I wouldn't be complaining if it had been worth it, or if the way it was done was good. Like Ever17's reveal about Takeshi, that was fricking mind-blowing.
But AI NI's is just kind of lazy with big and small Mizuki looking the same just because, and the entire section before the lock on Mizuki's route makes it so damn obvious that it's in the past so it doesn't even feel like a surprise, and it has literally no effect on the case at all with the only thing it explains being Shoma's disappearing act on the ferris wheel.
So it feels like they made all those sacrifices for a trick that does literally nothing.
Yeah, my main issue is that it's not really a diegetic twist. Nobody's really affected by the twist, the only character who you look at differently because of the twist is Bibi, who only really exists to further the twist for the most part.
I'm still not sure if I really liked the flowchart twist because it's really only directed at the player and not the characters at all besides Tokiko and whatever the hell is possessing Mama, but I will appreciate that it was the first twist in a long time if not ever to make me sit down for like thirty minutes and retread the entire in-game plot summaries and a couple scenes so I could start to understand what actually happened.
Everyone post yfw:
>it's not like that
>it's like this
I have no issue with twists just being for the player.
But yea, the fact that we are STILL debating the chronology is interesting because it's that damn complicated.
No idea how I'd do this without Ganker.
>But yea, the fact that we are STILL debating the chronology is interesting because it's that damn complicated.
It's not, it's just brainlets who saw the reveal and said "yeah whatever" and closed the timeline without bothering to actually look at the order events, who then start asking stupid questions that would be answered by them looking at the damn timeline.
I wasn't here for the beginning of these threads. When I joined a day or two back, most of what I saw were minor clarifications. I know people you were mentioning youtubers but I don't know anything about that. So, I have yet to see anyone make completely illogical errors.
People have been asking moronic shit like
>how shoma disappear???
>is smoll mizuki bibi????
>is (SCENE) in past or future????
all of which can be answered by looking at where the scene is on the fricking timeline
I still had to retread, at least mentally, because of double Mizuki, but disregarding that there are a couple hints you're looking at the timeline wrong that made me go "huh" but didn't dig too deep on them much like how I figured out Mizuki had to have been at Aioen because of Richii's reaction but that didn't make sense to me since I play the games dubbed and Shoko never said "give birth" in the JP text
yes she did. in Japanese Shoko says I wish I never gave birth to you but in english she says I wish you'd never been born so the inconsistency only exists in Japanese where she specifically says she gave birth to Mizuki
Oh my bad I thought it was the opposite way around, that makes it even more of a recon.
>only directed at the player and not the characters
is exactly my problem with it. Hell, even ZTD's timeline switcheroo was at least acknowledged within the story.
It really did feel like nothing when it happened.
AI1's reveal was so simple and it was one piece of information we needed to finally understand the entire story.
AI2's reveal was several pieces of information thrown at us very quickly that felt like a bunch of band-aids being used to reattach a limb, meanwhile it raised more questions on top of the things still left unexplained.
It felt like a band-aid that they cut off limbs to use in the first place. A lot of the story's elements don't really make sense outside of the timeline twist, because it has to bend over backward to, for example, never show Kizuna in the past to Bibi, or Kizuna in the present to Ryuki. All it really explains is Tokiko's supposed revival, which nobody in-universe actually thinks is a thing except maybe Ryuki.
This. The trick ought to be the final piece that makes everything click into place. It was like that in AI1, and that's how it was set up in Ever17 too. Despite being the exact same trick with the same pieces, AI2 doesn't have the click that Ever17 does, despite sacrificing a lot to set it up. It's just disappointing.
You're missing the significance of the reveal that the player is a real character AKA the Frayer, and that unbeknownst to us *the human being actually playing the game*, they're jumping to various moments in the story/messing with the simulation by using impossible information to create a tear. It's absolutely significant to the story because:
1. Tokiko knows about the Frayer and orchestrates the HB case events for them to take advantage of so she can reach Moksha, which makes her one of the craziest villains ever.
2. It reveals the existence of a hidden motivation for the Frayer to make this tear. One that is largely left to speculation but it is implied that the Frayer must have some plan by Tokiko's dialogue when you make the choice not to tell Ryuki. You could also assume that, since the final moment comes down to player choice, that the motivation of the Frayer mirrors what most actual human players want when playing a game: to get the good ending. So after seeing all these characters befall numerous tragedies related to the Half Body serial murder case Tearer decided to create a tear in the simulation to prevent them from happening.
I just don't find this meta stuff interesting or noteworthy anymore. It's been done and it ultimately ends up feeling very hollow to me.
Nothing in those posts implied they did not understand the fraying plot.
Stop assuming people "don't get it" Get over yourself.
But you didn't get it. The entire point is that everything matters or happened. The entire simulation theory ends up being real and is directly tied to what Naix and Tokiko's basis is. Not to mention, Ryuki's glitches create major gaps in his events and affect him and how he feels depending on your choice. It's a lot to think about it and it isn't so easy to say the Diverge Ending is a "good" one even if you are attached to everyone like myself either.
Do you not realize what you're doing lmfao.
I, and all the people you replied to, understood it. It was meta.
You do not need to go on a crusade about just how meta it was.
Get over yourself.
It's just a meta twist on a layer that matters to basically nobody except two characters who're dead.
No, you didn't get it. It raises ertain questions, like how did Tearer know Tokiko would give him that deal? Maybe he was simply trying to achieve Moksha for himself, thinking that could save everyone, but was ultimately being lead by Tokiko and chose to accept her deal? It's a lot to think about but the way some people are conceptualizing this is as if it's purely a U.I trick, rather than the appearance of a hidden character who's been arranging the events we've witnessed thus far. So there's a lot more going on than they're giving the game credit for. Also it feels like this aspect is set to be expanded on in further games. It felt like we only scratched the surface of it. We never got the background of where this came from and Tokiko's ambiguous dialogue during the Nil route. It basically ensures the true nature of the HB case will never be discovered and the entire cast is trapped in a fake world. Rather, in the sense of AI2's metaphor of the simulation as a game, abnormal behaviors are glitches, etc. In this metaphor the diverge ending would be the archetypical video game idea of a "good end." Since it's fair to assume a continuation of AI2's trend, relating the simulated world to gaming, viewing Frayer's potential motivation through that lens could makes sense. Considering that Frayer is the player character, and the Japanese standard for multi-ending ADVs is to try to get the "good" or "true" end by playing multiple routes, my assumption is that Frayer's goal was to get that "good end" for some reason. You're missing that.
Are you copy pasting stuff from like the steam forums?
You really didn't get it, huh.
Keep typing to yourself, sis.
You didn't read the decoded mojibake text, did you?:
Break (it). Fray (it). Achieve moksha. This is a fictional, illusory world.
Awaken, everyone. (It is) time for revolution. Open the gate of truth.
Who am I? Where is this? What time is it? (Who) are you?
I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know…
Break this virtual space, and liberate (me) from this false world
Help me. Help me. Help me…
On the other side of the walls of the president’s room… There was a strange space… Shigure was there… She asked… How did you know of the Nil Number… That was information that Ryuki could never have ever possibly known… A clear logical inconsistency… Shigure says that this brought about a massive fray… As a result… Shigure achieved moksha… Everything that happened was for this… No… Everything that will happen… Over six years… All of it…”
Succinctly, what is the 2deep4u moment that is blowing your mind? Wow, I entered the nil number, which means I used information from one timeline in a different one, which is only possible because of
Big yawn..
[/spoiler] Or is it a player of a game might prefer the non-happy ending?
You still don't get it. The entire point is that everything matters or happened. The entire simulation theory ends up being real and is directly tied to what Naix and Tokiko's basis is. Not to mention, Ryuki's glitches create major gaps in his events and affect him and how he feels depending on your choice. It's a lot to think about it and it isn't so easy to say the Diverge Ending is a "good" one even if you are attached to everyone like myself either.
It really is a lot to think about.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ai-the-somnium-files-%E2%80%93-nirvana-initiative-ot-exploring-uchikoshis-somnium.1638171/page-3#post-266339906
>linking to neogaf
frick off
I'm just pointing out this dude is copy and pasting his posts here from some forum autist.
The real meta is me vs Uchi.
>Characters in a game realize they're in a game and are trying to set up events to contact the game player and change their behavior.
Big yawn.
Yeah, you're still not getting it. Did you even read my post?
Actually, did you even bother to enter the final hidden bats code or read the decoded Ryuki dialogue?
>frayer is just player
gay
Of course it is, it's you after all
that's the joke. player = puraya is プラヤ and frayer = furaya is フラヤ
the words are the same but pu has a dot on it, fu doesn't and in English it's super obvious too
Frayer will appear in AI3 and connect back to ? from VLR and Kyle will be there and establish the greater Uchikoshi time loop which shatters all other narratives in other games forever.
DRAW ANON, I'M STILL WAITING FOR A PICTURE OF HAMSTER AIBA INSIDE OF TAMA'S CLEAVAGE POKING HER HEAD OUT
It better to jump between the two timelines or just go full one or the other before swapping? I've only give down Tama's so far. Assuming there's no other splits anyways, I haven't seen any others yet.
I have a feeling with AINI's success this fast and nearly matching AI's lifetime sales already, there's gonna be a 3rd one.
hopefully Spike let's Uchi make it a story sequel this time instead of forcing it to be standalone
I mean, VLR didn't really spoil 999 any more than this game spoils AI1, as far as I can remember.
That's correct. VLR was fine and 999 was fine in the same universe.
>third class cabin just reminded me how great 999 was
WAIT, that's not right.
Tearer uses MICROWAVES to stop him, NOT the video. So he ISN'T mindfricked yet
The virus had nothing to do with that, Tama just got EMP'd.
God dammit anon you nearly confused me again.
Different guy, I was correcting the incorrect dude. I know I said "wait" but that's because he almost got me.
Let's say you can change 3 things in ai2's plot. what would you change?
For me it's
>remove the action scenes (atleast in the main routes)
>date actually dying at the explosion
>instead of Amame Ryuki is the antagonist cuz he needs to protect Tama or something
>point 1
Yea, I would definitely, or shorten them. Too many times we beat them up and then they get up... and we do it again.
>point 2
Would have been acceptable
>point 3
Switching him and Aname has the 2nd antagonist, but not mastermind? That's not a bad idea. Issue is that players already suspect him too much so that might not be as enjoyable. But it's good. As long as he isn't the Tearer that's not bad
Full spoilers for AI1 and you can toggle between Falco Date or Saito Date
Diverge route is longer and crazier
Ryuki actually dies in the stadium
People are forgetting how much of an asspull AI1's ending was. Uchi wrote himself into a corner and had to resort to "muh shifiting" despite the only mention of timeline jumping was characters taking the piss out of the idea.
Well, Date knowing those things isn't that impossible even without the timeline stuff, it's stuff he knew beforehand and it's clear his lost memories are still sort of there.
AI1's ending was just bait to people who had played the Zero Escape games. All of the shit Date was remembering from "different timelines" was actually just shit he was remembering from his past, with the locks just being there to present a compelling narrative to the player.
Though Iris remembering an alt timeline was odd.
Aiba makes the point about fractal memory but then the game makes you remember Iris talk about parallels worlds and Date doubts Aiba's explanation. Was pretty clear they intended for there to be some timeline frickery. Or Frayer?
What
said. While it's info the player gleams from bring locked out of the true ending, in-game it follows the same logic as Saito slowly putting his mind back together. In fact it worked so perfectly in 1 I'm upset Date lost his memory again just for plot convenience and absence this time around
I did like how the shape of the true timeline matches the direction of the arrows used for the balloon puzzle.
Yea that was nice. Just like the nice touch of the "no right answer" questions you answered come back with what Amame answered
Is it me or does it feel like Uchi went anti-conspiracy theory kinda?
>video says RIP ME BURN ME because Uru killed Jin who had half of his own body and then burned it
>FRAY TO FREE is self explanatory
So what does MAN ROBS GHOST mean?
>Komeji stole Jin's half-body from Tearer, Tearer considered himself a ghost, not truly alive, or some shit?
guy robbed a rich ghost, easy
>>FRAY TO FREE is self explanatory
No no no you didn't get the real message
Frayer is player, meaning fray is pray
Remember Uru's somnium? Read from right to left
It says free to play, revealing that AI3 is a gacha game for smartphones and browsers
>sequel is better than the original
>HURR WHAT WENT WRONG
If Ryuki gets infected on Feb 12th of the present timeline, when he goes to the cathedral after finding Tokiko's body, then why does he display signs of the virus in his somnium and in the interrogation room two days prior?
Ryuki is a legitimate schizo. Tama said he's been having hallucinations since the death of his brother and the memory issues he was diagnosed with at the hospital were mostly problems he already had. TC-Perge just made him worse temporarily.
I wonder what they'll do with him in the sequel, given how we already know he's an unreliable narrator.
I'd assume he'll be on the road to recovery since he just got a proper diagnosis a few days ago in the present and Tama is there to administer meds. He mental issues probably wouldn't be used as a twist, or at least not for something big.
His psyche is still fricked up from his guilt and already existing schizo problems, hence why he has the freakout on the 10th in the present for example.
>no special dialogue for unlocking THAT Kusomon if you play 1
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
F? I agree
I'm so tired of 4th wall bullshit bros
I really liked the detail of how Mame got the factoid about Ellis/Liberty island from Tokiko. They never explicitly point it out so it was a neat connection to notice.
Ryuki must be infected by TC-PERGE 6 years ago. He perges out in the Naix Office near the end of Chapter 5 - Past timeline, after talking to the hologram and then getting jumpscared by a hallucination of Tokiko.
>hallucination
She's still alive at that point
He gets infected in the future after checking the box, then sees Amame
That's just him being a funny lil dude. he was already a schizo and PERGE made it much worse
Not him but is that really the reason? That's kinda sad. I was hoping he was only hallucinating because of the virus. Having him suffer similar shit before and after the infection s a bit meh as it muddies things.
Though it's true, they did explain he suffered it before but I would have liked the hallucination have been just a viral effect.
Anon we've been over this he's just a schizo. He wasn't infected in the past.
Also he got no sleep the night before that day because he was too stressed about Tearer and Tama.
Ryuki was just naturally a schizo. He only gets 1 scene after getting infected which is the one where he's hounding Shoma about the ferris wheel and looking into Amame's involvement with Tearer. Basically all PERGE did was increase his delusions to the point he's reliving the past.
My understanding is that the scenes where we see Ryuki speak moonrunes is TC-PERGE acting up considering the runes have been translated and relate to Naix, the creator of the virus. Why would his innate mental issues contain that information, or make the world appear like a simulation of all things?
Is it not possible that he obtained TC-PERGE when he reinstalled Tama from Tearer? The scene in the Naix office in chapter 5 takes place shortly after he re-obtains Tama, and it's the first time we see him PERGE out in the 6 year timeline.
They literally explained how he was infected - there's a box with a device that sprays the virus on people who open the box in the underground chamber. The virus is not yet ready in the past
Ryuki's first meltdown we see happens right after viewing the QR Video which is the earliest event in the timeline. So unless he was infected pre game then gibberish text/blue NPCs is not necessarily a sign of TC-PERGE.
Plot twist: TC-PERGE is a computer virus, not biological. Tearer installs it onto Tama when he takes her from Ryuki, knowing she'd eventually re-establish connection with the quantum Wadjet system and uploading the virus to it. Once the virus is uploaded to the Wadjet system, Ryuki+Tama from the past are affected by TC-PERGE via the same mechanism that the Wadjet system collects and sends out data from the different timelines. That's why Ryuki seems to have the virus as early as the Fray to Free video.
Considering that right before that we get the dream-host talking to [You] and being meta it very well could be something like that. Or a virus that effects whatever the Frayer uses to Fray.
So, this whole game was just about achieving CHIM?
Lol, Todd should sue.
... yes?
I guess it was about CHIM. Just different methodology.
Hated the first game
>Trial and error puzzles
>Going down a route and getting abruptly cut off because you didn't complete other routes first
>Dumb song and dance ending
Is the second game the same shit?
Kek, don't play it anon. There's only one cutoff this time but the rest is true.
Basically no trial and error!, locks still there, way more SOVL song and dance.
The puzzles are somewhat better.
>try to become a shifter
>become a schizo instead
Damn
When the frick does Tokiko break the statue I know it happened but can't remember what scene
ryuki's second visit, before the psync with her
Present. Early on
present, it's why the statue gets fixed with no explanation
Ryuki chapter 2
What was the point of breaking the statue again?
So you can see the statue be fixed when it shouldn't be, cluing you into something strange going on.
Why did ABIS hire Ryuki again?
He's Half Might!
top of his class
Which class?
I'm more surprised they haven't wiped Tama's AI yet considering the amount of times she covers for him.
You can almost begin to think that Naix and Wadjet are related huh
I don't think ABIS knows any of what Tama.did, or at least not the most significant things. When she reveals it to Date and the others they're in the cathedral where they can't access the system.
That said it must be suspicious that she keeps not uploading shit to the database that she's supposed to.
Good Lord.
Tama
Tama
Tama
Tama
Hot Tamale
turn her around
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRdf-iKiw9z386Y2abFKNoAlt9W-qPzq1rxVqtJniw6D4jhPzBHP9V75WkC0KFehHENalmmGyYi8wJy/pub
frick off schizo, no one cares about your document
New Mizuki lewd just dropped
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99474890
catbox it I don't feel like making an account for pixiv
CATBOX PLS
Do you have a google account?
of course, but I don't want to make an account and I won't
Then frick off. If you have a google account making an account is literally like 2 clicks. That shit even makes a unique password for you. No one spoonfeed this lazy shit.
>anon supporting blocking art behind accounts
cringe
Frick off you lazy Black person
I can't believe you don't have an account on anything, what a brave individual you are.
>linking your google account to some lewd art site is good because it's easy to do
lol
>pixiv
>lewd art site
Frick off because you clearly know fricking nothing. How the frick do you know nothing about pixiv. Are you 12?
There's a lot of lewds on pixiv.
Sure but its not exclusively for lewds. It's just an art platform. Thats like calling DA a lewd art site.
pretty close to correct, but DA is more like a furry site
Considering DA is known for niche fetish art you could have chosen a better example
Same as Pixiv the majority of art on both sites isn't lewd, sizable amount of nsfw art yes but its not the majority.
True
You can keep b***hing but no one is going to spoonfeed you.
If Iris was right with her schizo I'm gonna fricking fray.
It was pretty decent until you unlock the true end (not the nil end) and find out the main antagonists you have been looking for all the game are already dead and all you are left with is solving Amame's revenge killing in one Somnium and a fight sequence at the stadium that goes on for much longer than it should have. Basically everything with the ending is anticlimactic compared to the first game.
So, being confirmed that AI and Zero Escape are set in the same universe and that this universe is a simulation... What now? Will we get a cross-over between Zero Escape and AI where we find out who's behind the simulation and why?
Now we need to find Delta. TWIN PURPLE EYEBALLS
>AI and Zero Escape are set in the same universe
where?
Have you seen the final nirvana code?
you mean the nil end?
No. I mean this. This is the true end. You get the final spell after unlocking every possible end.
I hope not, it doesn't matter. The characters don't care, only the player. If the characters are happy living their lives in the simulation, who cares?
made for hafu wiener
>Tearer brags about a lot of knowledge gained
>Brags about being able to modify AI-Balls
>AI-Balls are basically infinite knowledge
>and they (Ryuki, Mizuki, Date and Bibi) as well as their ai balls suspiciously don't share any information ever until the very end(s)
>Plays along with Tearer for a long period of time
>the blue guy is a forged ghost chase, that's why we don't see who they are
>infects himself with TC-PERGE
>childhood trauma (I wonder who else has that)
>thus has personal motive (death of everyone close of kin, vengeance on humanity)
>only person to mysteriously omit the thermite trap in the first ever discovered body, even though AI balls can find even the tiniest shit in later VR sessions
>constantly reffered to as "frayer"
>constantly humors in front of everyone the idea of the world being a simulation
For a moment I thought that Ryuki is Tearer, just a person let loose by the power given by ABIS/Wadjet's AI balls and the intimate knowledge of some of the best detectives in... existence, basically
But no it had to be a literally who just following illuminati shit and have a fricking mermaid do the most important kills after being invited(?????) by the schizo mastermind, like what?! and on top of that they don't feature her in the ending dance and she's just a crying broken b***h forever
Amame wasn't in the final dance? No way
There's a 1 frame where you see her in prison garb in hell. And god is spitting on her.
>and on top of that they don't feature her in the ending dance and she's just a crying broken b***h forever
half the cast went "no she did nothing wrong" at the epilogue
the bigger problem I can think of is her showing up for a potential sequel because they're gonna bend over backwards to not spoil NI
>Even more so when you're told who the rabbit was
>is blue
>is after the reveal of Mizuki being gene-modded
it was easy to figure out, just saying
I only beat it because they were lenient with the QTEs teleporting you to behind the objects
superior small brain
Uchi really went all in on making him the most irredeemable c**t ever. Creepy, manipulative, cruel, he makes Ace look like a nice Kindergarten teacher.
Bibi's Somnium was really unsettling. Even more so when you're told who the rabbit was
It would be one of the better somniums in the game if it fricking worked. It has THE most broken stealth ive ever seen in a video game.
I just did the QTEs
Absolutely, that was a really fricked up one.
I hated the stealth. Does he sense movement or does he turn around at fixed intervals? It was so bizarre.
I'm sure it's fixed intervals, it's that his movements are too erratic to tell where he's looking at
I tried everything and had to hope for the QTE to move me over.
You get spotted instantly if you bump into purple objects I think. And you can only save yourself with QTE three (or two) times
There were plenty of time where he had his back completely turned to me and I'd still get caught despite him not looking back. The stealth just flat out did not work. It's fine in the first part because so long as you're moving towards the machine you need to break it'll teleport you right there. On the last stealth part is fricking miserable.
MUST OF BEEN NOTHING
It had to be broken. I've never seen such a thing.
No shot they actually game him a vision/alert system for one Somnium. Pretty certain the check was just did you move within the 'safe' interval or not.
That's what I thought, at least at first, but he had his back to me and I rushed and I STILL got QTE. Even when I was conservative with it, he got me.
As I said before there were plenty of time where he had his back completely turned to me and I'd still get caught.
The stealth is actually fricking broken and his line of sight doesn't actually matter.
>6 minutes
>mad scientist chasing you
>big ball chasing you that you can't touch
Frick off Uchi, just let me point and click.
But seriously, didn't Uchi say he was done with Zero Escape but at the same time he wanted to have some sort of cross-over or a new series (sequel?) spawned from/based on ZE and AI? I might be wrong...
What was the point of the natural blue eye in Ryuki's somnium and Date giving his AI Ball to Ryuki if it was ignored anyways
How do people feel about lewding Mizuki, specifically who she should get lewded with? I some are put off by the idea by Date fricking her.
mizukis x me
Bibi
The only correct answer is Bibi.
I'm fine with Date but I'd like to see her with Shoma.
I WANT OLD JUNPEI TO INTERACT WITH DATE.
CROSSOVER WHEN...
Oh hey someone did Shoma art
Tokiko’s suicide and the timeline jumble were useless. Why were they even in the game?
did you speedread the game what the frick
I see someone did pay attention and didn't get the divergent end
The twist means nothing to the characters cause they were aware, it's a Frayer perspective thing. Tokiko's whole plan involved caused the Frayer to Fray across the possibilities and eventually reach the nil number information to tear a huge hole in the timeline that she can escape from and Ryuki can make a happy ending from.
Obviously she's aware of how the Frayer's perception isn't linear since she breaks a glass idol in the present specifically so it can be 'fixed' by in a scene from the past. Also the timeline crosses mimic the X X hints you get from the balloons. Either Tokiko was just aware of the Frayer or actively orchestrated however it is they view the timeline.
is the sequel bad? haven't bought it yet, but loved all three ZEs and liked the first AI
Nah, it's pretty good. Not perfect but it's good.
It's good but it depends on how much you tolerate Uchi's more batshit twists. Like I fricking love the twist in ZTD BECAUSE it was so silly that I was completely there for it. The twist of this game is a step beyond that in the best way possible.
I unironically liked all of the twists in ZTD
Then you'd love AI 2. Enjoy your Uchikino.
Now leave.
If you liked ZTD you'd have no problem with AI 2. Its not as good as AI 1 in some placed but its still good.
Now get the frick out before you get spoiled.
Also its very important you remember Tama is hot as shit.
aight, fricking off from the thread
also if picrel is Tama, I don't like her
tan and thiccness are shit
>tan and thiccness are shit
You're shit, tan girls are best girls
He's right that she's too big but she's forgiven for being a perv.
Which is worst minigame?
Was it the stealth?
Easily
Best is Kusemon
Ooh, good pick. But if we include the escape rooms, that's my pick.
I disliked the swings because if you frick up the beginning, there's no correction. You gotta restart the movement from almost zero.
A friend of mine complained about the swings and said he had to redo it a bunch but I got 100% on the swings every time.
The big thing about the swings is that timing it correctly is not enough. If you are out of phase, that is, if you are pressing left while she is swinging right, it doesn't work.
Dunno senpai, I had no problem with it.
Kizuna you mean? Yeah she is pretty hot. It helps she has the dead mom cut.
Yea, Kizuna. It's the hair, as you said.
You're lucky then, it's a bit nitpicky. Took me my third try I think.
I'm explaining the error that your friend made. You can have the right rhythm, but be pressing the wrong directions 180 degrees out of phase. You might think this will work but it won't.
nah I meant Kaniza
>pressing
>buttonmashed
Are you guys playing on PC with a keyboard? I didn't think it was possible to fail it, but I played on console with controller, so I just mimicked the natural swinging motion back and forth with the stick and there was no issue.
Yep, keyboard.
I've played on keyboard but I had no problems, won all 3 in the first time and even got the achievement for launching as far as you can
Yea, there are people who get stuck on it. You gotta figure out the technique.
First time, I failed the first two of 3. But then fricking blew the hardest and latest one away. That's when I knew I had misunderstood something
Guess what: You can't pull up the menu or check log or anything, so I had to restart the entire dream. (I could have checked youtube but I was mentally dead)
I know some people buttonmashed, because it DOES give you movement. But it won't beat the minigame.
what did they mean by this
What, you never have a friend you're really close with but aren't gay for? It's like that.
i would never describe that as intimate or physical
I would. I've got a friend that im so close with we may as well share bank accounts.
bro, you're gay. congratulations.
Nah, he's just my heterosexual life-partner.
Date swapped bodies somehow again but Ryuki got his F body in a younger version due to time travel or some bullshit. I gurantee this will be the plot in AI3 .
AI3 can't do any plot without addressing the world literally being a simulation
Why? Even if it is why would that be relevant? The world you're living in right now could be a simulation and that wouldn't change you still have to live in it and that life must go on.
The Frayer thing is still not resolved, though I suppose they could pull Danganronpa V3 as the guy above said and never elaborate on it
There is nothing TOO resolve.
>what is the nature of the simulation
>what is the world outside like
>what is Tokiko doing after Moksha
>what consequences does the divergence have(there were some error codes on the flow chart)
None of that is relevant. Like I said before If YOU were in a simulation that doesn't change you still have to live in it. The nature of outside the simulation doesn't matter.
It's relevant because you figuratively can't have a game that in the end turns out to be focused on breaking out of the simulation and then never mention it again in a sequel.
I don't want to know that, I like staying in the simulation because it's not like the characters care. they're happy
he hates broken clocks because the truck that crushed half his brother broke his watch. it's a red herring made to deceive you about the timeline, because it happened 6 years prior to the past, so Ryuki could reference 6 years ago in the present without you questioning it
>what is Tokiko doing after Moksha
Killing Uchikoshi for making her frick Chikara, it's the only logical thing to do
There's plenty to elaborate on
I don't see the connection, V3 never got a sequel so there's no burden to show what happens after DR ends and they leave the dome. An AI3 not addressing the simulation stuff would be even more ridiculous than a 4th DR not addressing V3 since we've found a very fundamental piece of lore on the AI world.
My opinion IRL is that if we are just all programs and it's a simulation I don't give a shit and it's real enough to me, not like you can escape if you're just code. But in AI Naix specifically says they have "real bodies" outside of the simulation. Which would mean this is more of a Matrix like scenario than them being video game characters in canon. Considering that Tokiko does escape and is right about everything else, it seems reasonable to assume she's correct and there is another more real world for them to live in which is pretty fricking relevant.
>But in AI Naix specifically says they have "real bodies" outside of the simulation
They literally don't and can't know this for sure. Don't take everything the cults say as fact.
>They literally don't
They do. Uru talks about this.
>and can't know this for sure. Don't take everything the cults say as fact.
Considering that they were right about everything else, Tokiko knew exactly what the Frayer was doing, and Tokiko managed to ascend+tear a hole in the timeline I'm pretty sure their info is sound.
>Uru talks about this.
Them SAYING they have outside bodies doesn't mean this is true. Knowing you're in a simulation and breaking the bounds of it doesn't mean you're escaping to the real world.
Yes it can.
>New murderer, ABIS investigates, follows-up from Resolution, not Divergence
There, I made AI3's plot.
I guess we have our own Danganronpa V3 episode right here, for frick's sake
In JP the gag is between 舌 and 下 and there's no reference to intimacy or a physical relationship, so definitely not.
When will we get a more escape room themed game?
Any suggestions if I just want escape rooms and don't care about the VN part?
It legit might only be Zero Escape and "Your Turn to Die" to a degree. There's a few Western games that are VR.
They showed off a game at one of the not-E3 indie showcases called Escape Academy that seemed alright.
Are there JP lyrics for the ending song floating around anywhere? I can't make out some of it.
I wish there were more Somniums like Uru's and Mame's. They were like actually solving puzzles instead of messing with dream logic.
open the CC. If you actually want the romaji ones, there isn't yet
Perfect, Thanks anon.
meant to replay to
Time skip Kizuki is really fricking hot. That's a fricking twist I DID NOT see coming.
Uchi got one over on me.
The one thing I'll always remember about this game is how the very last fade to black is like 50 seconds long for no discernable reason
AI1 was so much better, it’s actually infuriating. All the character development for Date, Mizuki and Iris is just down the drain. Le epic twists were all garbage. Kizuna, Lien, Gen, and Ryuki are non-characters that can be summed up in two words each. Imagine paying $60 for this.
>Ryuki
>Non character
Uhhh, he was legit one of the protags and was heavily developed.
“lol crazy guy” isn’t a good character. Even his dead brother is was a nothingburger.
I accept your concession.
Traitorous eyeball simp was a good character trait
>Even his dead brother is was a nothingburger.
Not every aspect of every character has to be plot relevant. Some things are allowed to be just backstory.
>character mentions his brother and hating broken clocks constantly
>literally nothing is done with this
Frick off Uchikoshi you talentless nip.
Not every aspect of every character has to be plot relevant. Some things are allowed to be just backstory.
The initial flowchart is a broken clock.
Have you heard of red herrings and backstories? It explains his insanity in wanting to resolve the case. His dedication.
Most nothing you said is corrrect
Oh hey found some halfway decent Tokiko art
>tfw u regret playing the game because it was too long and unsatisfying
what went wrong is that the game didn't need a sequal.
no
Does Bibi not tell Date that Ryuki shot her? He's obviously suspicious of Ryuki the whole 5th day but he uses Ryuki's slip about Tearer's mask as the reason to voice his suspicions instead of the fact that well, he shot Bibi.
Speaking of Bibi, did Date ever interact with her while she was appearing as "Mizuki" I may just be slow but still confused about that.
The scene where Ryuki shoots 'Mizuki'