Just beat the game, hope I'm not too late. I enjoyed the ride for what it was, but I don't think it was as good as the first one. The only questions I have leftover are in the final Ryuki scene in the past, with the cathedral blowing up, that wasn't Bibi but Mizuki, correct and I also saw some screenshots that connect this world and the Zero Escape series, how do you get those dialogue options? Is there anything left to do after entering 899701? How do I get a gf that looks like Tama?
go to bonus for a special somnium anon, you get it after the numbers ending
Uchikoshi you madlad
troony GAME
Why is Mizuki obsessed with homosexuals?
cause her father was one
But she had no father she was a designer baby
Cuck worship.
OH NO NO JAPANBROS!!!! AHAHAHAHA
Yeah because I'm sure a homosexual suffers as much as a person on a fricking wheelchair
Frick off homosexuals, will literally side with muslims, shouldn't have abused the victim card so much
I will make sure my fellow POC will oppress minority homosexuals even more now thank you
I hate that Ryuki wasn't in the epilogue. I wanted to talk to everyone with him there.
it was a mistake to change the protagonist.
That's not fair. We knew Mizuki and Ryuki would not match up to Date.
just finished AI 2 and I think most will agree Date was such a based protag
i miss him bros....
>Date carried both games on his back
How does he do it?
Porno Mag powers
The white snake shit made me laugh.
If it is Date? It is good. If it was Date? It was good. No character in Japanese media carrying the name Date has ever been insignificant or inferior by any measure.
I bet they weren't thinking of all the Christians being persecuted for protecting the unborn this weekend when they wrote this shit
reminder that abortion is murder and I'm really happy we took away that right at least temporarily 😉
Reminder that fully accepting lgbqt+ people puts the world much closer to the seams than infecting people with autism.
Saying LGBTQ+ people are the same as people with disabilities.
By that logic she also says it about race and religion. Dummy.
Good, I hate everyone she talks about during her soapbox rant.
I-it's just English translation. Japan can do no wrong!
Based. Bigots should never be made to feel welcome.
Thanks for the webm. I shan't be playing this.
>Is there anything left to do after entering 899701
fun fact, every person's number is different
>fun fact, every person's number is different
Thats.. fricking brilliant.
If young Mizuki ever shows up, that's our Mizuki. Bibi is 6 years older than our Mizuki.
I mostly asked because on that chapter she has both her normal eyes and that's when she loses her left one, and I thought the general idea was 6 years ago Mizuki was always Bibi, but I guess that wasn't the case for that one particular moment
IIRC, Bibi was born without a left eye along with her heart condition
>Tearer seems to know something about the HB case...
no fricking shit
Looking back on this I saw this as a very small hint that he didn't kill everyone, nor was he the true mastermind of the Nirvana Initiative nor the main party that was going to benefit from it
This image needs a couple different nil numbers added to it to be perfect
Every copy of Nirvana Initiative is personalized
It generates a new number every new game.
How do i get more trivia entries? I usually click on everything but i somehow missed a good number here.
I got one for accidentally ending a conversation early by telling the Naix chick that she has a nice watch. This is something you might not get if you chose to end the conversation any other way.
poz game. nuke japan
Who was the red Naix soldier?
a chad
Not even as "good" as the first one? Man this game must be total shit
Should I get AI Somnium 1? I enjoyed 999 and VLR although not as much as 999, and I kind of fricking hated ZTD.
AI 1 is the 999 to this game's VLR
So plot is still batshit but makes better sense as everything is even more nonsense in AI 2?
I think 1 has a lot of good moments between characters, and a good overall mystery with the right amount of twists and a good conclusion. The only complaint I really have of 1 outside of the deus ex machina porn is that the Somnium solutions can be kind of complex (because they're dreams, I guess the devs wanted to have an emphasis on how obtuse dreams can be)
There's some sequelbaiting in this, so if they do make an AI3 I'm hoping Date gets Aiba back as his partner since their chemistry was more entertaining than with with Mizuki
If Date gets Aiba, Ryuki gets Tama, and Bibi gets Marco, who does Mizuki get in AI 3?
another AI named Poro
The divergence chapter says they share Aiba so I imagine the situation would be similar to that in a sequel
they are such a cute couple
No, leave Date alone. It was bad enough that his happy ending was ruined by going missing for 6 years. Just let Date be Falco. He's earned it.
If there is a sequel I'd only be ok with Ryuki so he can have a proper complete arc, or a completely new cast. Preferably a completely new one since the existing cast is so interconnected now.
In short I loved this one, the only thing keeping me from putting it at the very top of the ZE team list is Ryuki getting shafted hard and generally how everything got cleaned up after the twist reveal. It would've been a much better idea to keep the real villain alive until the end, or at least make Amame a lot better than she was and I had this exact same problem with how 999 and VLR muddied up their respective climaxes as well, granted I feel like of the 3, AI2 still did it the best. Not assigning the player an actual character of some kind for the big tweest ultimately seems to have been for the best since the end result makes a hell of a lot more sense and add a lot more onto the story and why things happened than it did in VLR or ZTD.
Amame didn't kill anyone because that history was erased
>Tearer is a ZE fanboy and looks like Delta
>The big twist is that the flowchart lied to you
>The ending involves you going back and undoing the events of the game
We've been mindhacked bros
Correction. You do the mindhaccing. Or more specifically Tokiko lets you do the mindhaccing while she fricks off to wherever her "real" body is
if they make an AI 3 they're not going to follow Diverge. It's called Diverge for a reason. Tokiko even talks about how unsatisfying it is even if everyone comes out on top in the end, even Ryuki isn't satisfied
At the end there, neither was Mizuki and Bibi
>Everyone comes out alive and things are looking up better for their lives
>Ryuki and the Mizukis are unsatisfied they didn't get a final boss battle
What a bunch of c**ts. The only bad part of Diverge is that Tokiko got away with everything in the end.
Tokiko did nothing wrong. Everything bad was Chikara's fault.
I feel like the thing in your post actually is the bad part of Diverge. Tokiko offers Frayer aka (You) a choice between giving your favorite characters a shallow happy end or making them go through shit, the point being "you can't give everyone a happy end because bad shit happening to characters and the ways in which they overcome it and the losses that come with it is what makes a good story". it's an ending which is explicitly supposed to provoke a meta question, but the characters going "nah this feels wrong" goes against the point, because (You) are supposed to feel that, not them.
I actually felt like having the characters say that is the point because Uchikoshi already did this same "player forces a happy ending" thing with Ever17, with this being an antithesis to that.
Nah, I think its fine because Ryuki is the one burdened with the knowledge. You don't just give everyone a happy ending, you also kind of screw over Ryuki. You force him into a desk job and burden him with the knowledge that reality is fake. He feels hollow because he knows the world is hollow.
That's why the Diverge ending was so weak. It just didn't have any real impact imo. I don't want a cheesy happy ending for everyone. I'm with Ryuki and the Mizukis that this is not how things are supposed to be. Amane should be in jail, Kizuna should be a cripple and Komeji and Tearer should be dead.
this is a 59 year old woman, say something nice about her
i want to have sex in the void
10/10 would fray
She could've easily done way better than fricking Chikara
Wasn't Chikara a %er? Why would she go for him anyway?
She didn't go for him, he went for her and used his power and position as leverage. She basically went along with it in order to propel herself to where she is right now.
Didn’t he become one way after all that happened though? He was still at naix then
He wasn't a %er at the beginning, he was a powerful Naix who she dated to get to her current position. He presumably became a %er sometime after his lab closed for the first time and he had to go on the run. Also it's worth noting it's implied she first noticed the true structure of the world when she attempted suicide and became emotionless afterwards, she was probably more sane before that.
Now imagine how she looked when she was 20
Potential new memegirl
>kidnaps a random kid to save her son and steals his organs
>feels so guilty over it she attempts suicide
>later, her son gets murdered then the guy who murders him also gets murdered
>doesn't give a shit
this is your brain on fraying
She saw the computer code when she attempted suicide, that was her reaching a "true understading of Naix philosophy", so she didn't give a shit anymore.
She explains figuring everything is a videogame made her stop feeling anything
How did she end up being the most memeable character in the whole game?>
AI1 = Egyptian belief systems surrounding the body and the mind
AI2 = Hindu concept of Nirvana and chakras in the body
AI3 = ???
Doing Buddhism might be a little boring because we already hit on something that has some overlap. Maybe a pointed question to ask here is what major religion in the middle east do we have to focus on to turn Iris into a serial killer?
AI3 starting with a plane hitting the Lemniscate building would be fun
Dailah Boat
Daylah Boat
Dayla Baoth
Yaldabaoth
You can't be serious that can't possibly be it
even better, it's an anagram of Ialdabaoth
>Doing Buddhism might be a little boring because
Buddhism is literally an offshoot of Hinduism and the Japanese version of AI2 already uses Buddhist terms for the chapter names. It's definitely not going to be buddhism.
You’ll get biblically accurate angels and people getting raptured and you will like it
It will be angelic concepts for AI3.
I'm surprised they made a game that is even worse than ZTD. Why did they triple down on some of the worst aspects of the first one, which was only okay to begin with? At least the somniums were an improvement.
The first part of the game is terrible. You already know how shit will end because it's a flashback, Ryuki and Tama are incompetent as frick, Tama's jokes have no good timing since she spams them at every occasion, and before the true answers come way later on you're baffled by the danganronpa-tier nanotube switch molecular level cuts bullshit in the VR sequences especially in comparison to the grounded stuff in the first game.
The game also suffers heavily because of the dubtitles and the shit translation they did for the Manzai jokes or some of the other wordplay. Almost nothung lands.
I had to take a break when I realized they let schizo ryuki stay in the force ON LEAVE FOR SIX YEARS WHILE ARMED and when Boss covered for him as if he ever got anything done in the first part and wasn't a huge liability.
Uchikoshi really needs to stop making sequels to his games. AI 1 definitely didn't need one and is just made worse in the end even if some of the more anime bullshit like the super strength gets explanations. You know Uchikoshi is a hack with no integrity when he is still pulling the same "for the sake of new players" shit that ruined ZTD in shit like keeping Date in his old body and retroactively making him and Hitomi worse characters and ruining the end of AI1
grand cope
Date only wears a mask because Reika likes Saito's face
>You already know how shit will end because it's a flashback
I stopped taking anyone that complains about shit like this seriously years ago tbh
It drags on because Ryuki is quite obviously compromised and an unreliable narrator so you can never really be sure if any of what happens in his route will even matter in the end or if it'll just be outed as bullshit by the second part.
When Ryuki and Tama pull shit like leaving crime scenes to chase kids, force cut into PSYNC scenes without the suspicion and interrogation scenes that Date had to go through, or obviously get forced into stuff because of the sleeper agent bullshit without Tama informing the Boss (or informing her about anything really), you're just sat there waiting for his part to be done.
>You already know how shit will end because it's a flashback
literally all you know is that there's an explosion and ryuki is in the process of losing his mind
>You already know how shit will end because it's a flashback
lol
>I had to take a break when I realized they let schizo ryuki stay in the force ON LEAVE FOR SIX YEARS WHILE ARMED and when Boss covered for him as if he ever got anything done in the first part and wasn't a huge liability.
You haven't cleared the game, huh.
He did he's just moronic
So needs to stop having children.
When does Iris become a serial killer then?
The third game.
My current theory is that So realized she didn't have the gene which is why he tried to go inside her himself in the first game
Iris didn't get So's serial killer genes but in exchange she became a chuuni idiot with actual brain cancer.
>Knows about parallel universes
>Knows about Naix
Next game will reveal she is the mastermind behind everything and was only pretending to be moronic
Ya know given Iris' brothers, this isn't actually far off.
SEX WITH MIZUKI
which one
both
9/10 game. Would be 10/10 if Ryuki didn't stop being a schizo on a dime
Still love all the old characters
Love about half of the new characters
I want to frick her
Not as much as I want to frick HER
booba too big for me
New to the switch, how do I play the game with japanese voices AND japanese text?
Is it as simple as changing the system language to 日本語?
iris!
Imagine if Date actually banged her while in Saito's body
Incest babies + murder gene would be an awful combo
Why is So responsible for everything in this series?
that's how japanese politicians are
You have a point. But unlike those politicians, So is not in jail.
>couldn't figure out who F was until I read the threads even though I caught him
it made so much sense now
sex somnium mod with tama when?
what do you need a mod for
So what is Date and Hitomi's current relationship like?
they rock the sheets every now and then but they're still just "old lovers". Hitomi waits for him every day though which is just sad.
you guys refer to them as ex-lovers but they still cuddle in the epilogue for ai 2
>be hitomi
>have to deal with your former lover wearing a face mask of the man that held you and your daughter at gunpoint
I don't think she really cares too much about that since she knew Date with Saito's face longer than she knew Saito
She may or may not know this but Saito also killed her best friend too.
If anything she might be happier with Date like this so she doesn't have to remember what happened that way. I really just got the impression he wanted to wear the mask because he wasn't ready to settle down with Hitomi again until he came back 6 years later (again)
The mask is just a weird cope from Uchikoshi. Realistically speaking no one knows if they're settling at the end of AI2 or how their relationship progressed throughout the series, the only line about their relationship is that Hitomi hasn't seen him for a while which I haven't checked but I'm sure it happens in the present timeline, meaning he was forced to be away from her.
It's probably more like they wanted to force the whole "sequel does not spoil first game" nonsense to try and sell more copies, and too lazy to just use the Falco model if playing in spoiler mode. Also I'm guessing Complex Motives VA is expensive.
Well Hitomi mentions she's still waiting for him.
>Hitomi hasn't seen him for a while which I haven't checked but I'm sure it happens in the present timeline
I actually went back to check a bunch of stuff after clearing the game and it does. The first time you hear it it sounds like he's an butthole who just ghosted her immediately after the events of AI1 but it's actually taking place six years after the explosion.
Cool, I wanted to confirm but I'm too lazy to find particular segments. Good to know.
Well, might as well post some other segments I checked
When Shoma gets into the ferris wheel and disappears, Ryuki doesn't check until six years later because of his brain damage. When he asks Tama she hesitates to answer at first saying "why do you ask that" before confirming that it was carriage 2 Shoma got into (like Aiba says, denying what he says could worsen his condition, so that's presumably why Tama goes along).
When he talks to Shoma about disappearing, Shoma of course says he wasn't at Misetan because he was there six years ago. When you try to ask Shoma about his dad (who you think is still alive at this point), he says he doesn't want to think about it. Initially you can assume that it's just their relationship making him say that, but he's actually talking about the murder.
Gen and Amame don't really have anything for Ryuki, and big Mizuki's 12 Feb is written in a way so that she barely interacts with characters who know small Mizuki and barely talks about non-investigation stuff anyway.
more like cope from the animators, so they don't have to animate Date's real body
Just be honest and point out that Uchikoshi is a hack with no integrity that will fold to audience demand and saleshomosexualry no matter if that audience is just some weird imaginary thing he's convinced himself exists.
Just look at how he ruined ZTD because of this dumb compulsion to emulate western telltale shit or to coddle newbies that didn't play previous games. Pretending like anyone gives a shit about ZE3 besides people who have played the previous games in the series. Or all the shit he retconned or removed in the end.
He assumes that people will buy his shit off on a whim and that Date remaining in Saito's body will keep the first game's twist safe or something when all it really does is cheapen the whole thing.
I'll be the first to admit that I enjoy Date in his first form way more but there was some real meaning in finding out and accepting his true form at the end of the first game.
The whole mask shit in AI2 comes off more like Mu La Flaga surviving in gundam SEED because of popularity; when anyone with integrity would work with what they've already accomplished come what may.
Remember that Infinity and Remember11 were released incomplete.
Infinity eventually got rewritten in Never7, but Remember11 is literally just missing the entire final chapter of the game. Imagine if AI1 ended with Saito running away after leaving Date in Boss' body, or AI2 ended with the Ryuki route, that's how bad Remember11 is.
As for changing stuff to pander, people go on about how Ever17 is the hottest shit ever, but Uchikoshi took random criticism of it so hard that he completely rewrite the 360 version to have a completely different twist.
He's always been like this.
>Remember11 is literally just missing the entire final chapter of the game
and it's unparalleled kino because of it
Post more Tama
Need that image of her in the prison outfit
Hope the asiatics at pixiv/twitter are doing overtime to make more porn of her
The japs don’t play uchikoshi games anon.
Alright
AI1 or AI2 bros?
Also post best and worst character in the series.
AI2 for Story but AI1 for Protag.
Best Char: Date
Worst Char: You
>best
bibi
>worst
moma
>Moma
>worst character
YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
AI 1 but it’s kinda close.
Best: Date (I unironically relate heavily to him)
Worst: Mama & Pewter (I hate gays)
Self hate is never a good thing anon be happy 🙂 !
This is sane people push against mutilating your own sexual organs.
Mama’s whole shtick is that he likes dicks, there’s literally nothing else plus he looks like a monster. Pewter’s shtick is also he likes dicks but also says 6 minutes sometimes. You literally cannot prove me wrong. Wouldn’t even be as bad if a character was subtly gay but they thrust it in your face (no pun intended).
AI2 has a better story but AI1 by being more of a futuristic cop drama is what let Date reach the peak that he has
Date is the best, Moma is the worst.
AI1
Best: Date
Worst: Ota
AI2
Best: Date
Worst: Ota
AI1 is better but I still liked AI2 decently
>best
AI1 Mizuki or Amame
>worst
idk, Lien or Kizuna were both fricking annoying
Bullfrickingshit that Pewter ever topped Renju.
does this actually happen, I try to speed up the animations by skipping during the ABIS HQ scenes so I might've skipped a few lines
AI2(anyone saying AI1 is delusional l)
Best: Boss
Worst: Ota
Best:
>Date
Worst:
>Kizuna
Also, AI2 felt more disappointing tbh.
what did kizuna do
Marry Lien
>nice big guy
>huge dick
What was wrong with her choice? Who else was gonna be her Prince Charming?
me
5 cents have been deposited to your account by the Chieda Foundation
Nothing. She was the better Iris but despite that she was still pretty boring. Her OOC shooting scene was kinda funny though.
She's annoying as all hell same with Iris. Not to mention their romance sucked. Sorry Kizunagay, she's fricking bad.
How is she annoying? She hardly does anything enough to be annoying. Their romance was weak but that doesn't mean she was offensive. Iris is far more annoying because she does actual annoying things to annoy others.
I had to listen to her shit song not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, but FIVE FRICKING TIMES. Not to mention the fact most of the time she's so FRICKING boring it really hurt. You don't have to agree, I just find her not only annoying but boring.
Ok the singing thing was annoying. Her being the new Iris was not needed. I will give you her being boring though. Outside of her forced song moments, I didn't really mind her.
ugly Black person
AI2 - maybe it's just because I just finished it, but I still love it even if they did Ryuki dirty in the last act.
Best: Tama
Worst: Iris
Beginning and middle of AI2 is better than AI1. AI1's endings are better because Date stops acting like Date and starts acting like Falco. The thing that AI2 really was missing were the heart to hearts between the characters. Ryuki got fricked in the second half of the game but his time with Komeji and Shoma was good. Mizuki got saddled with shitty boring characters like Kizzy, Gen and Lien. We never got something as heartfelt and mysterious as Date talking to Iris about immortality or Date and Mizuki reconciling at the shrine. Mizuki is Date but without the Falco part, without the responsible father figure aspect that's looking out for the other characters. She's kinda just a boring c**t.
Also, best character is Date for the above mentioned reason. Worst character is Gen, Kizzy or Lien. They're all equally boring.
hope the guy that commissions and requests all that iris porn manages to commission a good artist this time, her Aini design is pure sex
I hate how they handled Moma in AI2, he used to have some crazy batshit edge but they turned him into a second Ota. The shady stuff the Kamakura’s did with both of Mizuki’s parents and So was cool but Moma exists for nothing except being Iris’ lapdog in the second game.
I found it to be pretty disappointing. It's still great, but nowhere as good as the first game.
The whole timeline trick, double Mizuki, and nil number ending were just inferior versions of what Uchikoshi did in Ever 17.
Plus the timeline trick is almost completely pointless and actually makes Ryuki, who is supposed to be one of the main characters, feel completely shafted in the second half of the game.
I agree, the timeline trick didn't feel very satisfying because it wasn't a mystery to solve, it was the devs pulling a sneaky on ya. Then the divergent route felt really quick and just left me with "that's it?" so I'm sure that's going to be a big part of 3.
Haven't finished the game so I'm just dipping in here to say Amame is a massive morons. Alright, I'm out.
I honestly liked Amame a bit more when she existed for the xray joke. The ending really dropped the ball on her character, would’ve been so much better if she was sadistic or some shit. Gen and Amame’s storyline also just abruptly ends as well.
I don't really like the endgame Amame stuff but Gen and Amame have a pretty definitive ending.
How so? Amame's stuck in jail for who knows how long and Gen's stuck waiting for her along with Shoma. It's also clear Gen loves Amame in the romantic sense but it's not clear if Amame feels the same way.
Did we not watch the same scene where Amame basically threw herself away so Gen could escape
So? That doesn't mean she loves him romantically. She could love him like a dear friend. She would have probably done the same with Iris and Kizuna.
that would just make gen a cuck like ota and make him look even worse given how boring he was.
I'm still wondering why the frick Boss sent a fricking hit squad to kill Mizuki.
Because Gen was a suspect and so was Amame(and Mizuki would have intervened). Gen and Mizuki are super strong.
Boss probably figured from Ryuki's investigation and Amame's somnium the day before that she's the culprit, and that Gen and Mizuki would defend her because friends, so like the SAT squad said, they were sent because they are the only ones capable of standing a chance.
Sending a fricking murder squad to kill them seems like overreacting though.
They weren't using live rounds, most shootouts in this game were using either rubber bullets or some kind of stun rounds.
Mizuki gets shot during that fight and it looks like she just gets electrocuted and is fine in the scenes afterwards and not bleeding.
They only switch to live rounds when Gen and Amame escalate.
You can kind of infer that Boss is getting sick of Mizuki's shit, and unlike Date or Ryuki she's strong enough to rebel against ABIS if she feels her friends are threatened.
Check the timeline, I believe most of the approved psyncs were done by Bibi while Mizuki was on a streak of breaking the rules and doing illegal psyncs.
>Amame's stuck in jail for who knows how long
I bet you that if there's an AI3, she will be out for sure just like Pewter.
She's already mentioned as being treated like a hero in the ending so she'll probably just get probation or something.
They also mentioned Gen and Shoma would wait for her to return so it's clearly not gonna be just probation. I honestly don't see Amame being that relevant in a potential AI3 anyways. She got her time to shine with AI2.
If they found a way to shoehorn the taxi driver and So Sejima, they'll find a way to shove her in as well.
Probably fired/too old to be at a maid cafe and is now tending tables at Brahman.
The taxi driver was a cameo and So was barely in the game. If that's what you're saying Amame's capacity would be for a AI3, then I agree. Which is essentially going back to her capacity in AI1.
I liked what they did with Amame because you would never have expected such a minor irrelevant girl from the first game would end up becoming such a big character in the second game to where she actually becomes a murderer(and her victim was the fricking serial killer of all people).
Granted, I wish she was more broken by that point and did become a little sadistic because of her desire for revenge. Would have made her character development much more interesting in that she's no longer the Amame we kinda knew.
anyone saying AI2 > AI1 is fricking deluded
nah you're just part of a dying breed that can't swallow any writing that doesn't adhere to very specific requirements and will pass that off as having high standards
ironic
Not that guy and not saying AI2 is bad but AI1 was a really tight experience where everything has a point to it, while also incorporating a lot of random fun shit. AI2 in comparison really has a "tacked on" feeling to it, with a lot of superfluous fluff and pointless crap. The writing itself is also just not as good, the trick is a pointless meta thing that has zero purpose in the story itself, the main antagonist (Tearer) is boring and two-dimensional, and the final confrontation is kind of lame.
AI1's trick was an integral part of the story and finally confronting Saito was fantastic. There's nothing like that that comes close in 2.
>the trick is a pointless meta thing that has zero purpose in the story itself
The entire story is built around the meta thing dude. Almost everything happens so one character can meet up with someone not part of the cast.
Which is a sideplot optional ending that will be ignored should a 3rd game ever be made.
It only acts as a vehicle to make Amame do weird shit for the sake of mystery and to make dogs that enjoy eating shit like you go DUUUUDE UCHIKOOCHIE META KINOOOOOOO
And any questions it raises, like why does Bibi 6 years ago wear the same exact outfit and have the same hair as Mizuki in the present, gets waived as HURRR ITD GIVE IT AWAY xD
This entire sequel was polished muddled shit for the sake of "what a tweest"
>It only acts as a vehicle to make Amame do weird shit for the sake of mystery
What a moron
The whole nirvana initiative is about exposing the intersection and then making the player do something impossible at that intersection so Tokiko can noclip
Even the ARG marketing before release was basically Naix reaching out of the game into the real world to try and make contact. Literally their entire identity is "we know we are in a video game and want to reach the real world, so we are going to try and break the narrative and systems to create a glitch and find a way out".
delusional moron
cope
NO FRICKING SHIT
Dumb fricks, it was garbage writing.
You're waiving every action Tokiko made because it "worked"
How did she know any of it would work? There are a million questions it raises and you morons ask none of them to instead just slurp it all up.
The brainlets coping with this moronic headcanon to justify the timeline is some of the most delusional shit I've ever seen.
I wonder what they'd say if Tokiko had said "HEY YOU PLAYER, I WANT YOU TO EAT SHIT SO THAT I CAN LEAVE THE VIDEO GAME" and then actually left after they did.
I've been asking myself as to why the flowchart being perfectly intertwined matters when in reality it's just a mental image of the case with no real requirements as to what consists a single segment.
It doesn't, it's just one moron spouting some brainlet fanfiction crap.
I enjoy how frustrated you are over being a fricking idiot
>100% plothole, or ignored for the sake of not spoiling the first game
wrong, moron
you didn't play the game
I love how you keep thinking we are a single person, when it's at least 2. Truly the Uchiokshi twist of this thread.
I'm pretty sure there's an optional dialogue where he does say that he solved it himself and got blasted with the TC-PERGE at one point.
technically there's one real requirement, half of the body on one side and half of the body on the other in the untrue version
lmao what massive cope is this
No argument? I appreciate the concession!
>argument
>he thinks someone is going to treat him like a human being when he goes around saying shit like this
kek
Don't forget how they go around introducing themselves as from ABIS even though it's supposed to be a top secret department nobody knows about
I thought the game explains that people know about them now because of the New Cyclops Case?
ABIS became public knowledge after the new cyclops stuff. it's explained in a tama news slider thing around the start of the game.
The frick are you saying lmao. You're providing nothing else, thanks for conceding (again).
lowest IQ post in the whole thread
>main antagonist (Tearer) is boring and two-dimensional,
Why are you pretending Saito was any different?
The story is moronic, and so are the twists. Characters are bland, and non memorable. For the last 10 hours of the game i just ended up hitting L2 because I didn't give a frick anymore.
it's also fricking moronic and doesn't make any sense, because the other mizuki from 6 years ago looks grown up.
>because the other mizuki from 6 years ago looks grown up.
Because she's 6 years older than the other Mizuki you idiot. That's why the twist worked.
apex moron
you're just proving you didn't actually play the first game. it had all that shit you accuse the second game of
The first game didn't have a huge number of returning characters in the game with literally no point other than because players would be mad if Iris and Hitomi and Moma and Ota didn't return. It didn't have a trick that was what
said, just being something there to fool the player and not even part of the mystery. Saito is actually interacted with a lot throughout the game and you confront him and he's a great villain compared to Tearer who's just kind of there in the background for the majority of 2.
It's in the same world you fricking idiot. What did you expect would happen to those characters? For them to disappear? Your argument is dumb as hell. Saito was lackluster as hell and only acted on being subtle(sometimes) which made you take him less seriously than Tearer.
Yeah, the final battle was fricking moronic.
I like the Saito climax better than this one for the same reasons I don't like 999 or VLR as much as AI1 but saying that the narrative gimmick didn't have a point in the story is almost wojack worthy. The player not being a character doesn't make the fact that everyone died so Tokiko could meet them not a important part of the story, actually it makes it a lot cleaner than past executions of this same kind of twist that he's done in past games.
AI1
>Better characters
>better protagonist
>more abstract somniums
>more grounded approach to the story
>main mystery relies too much on a fictional machine with a hidden function you have almost no way to guess.
>better villain
>better final confront.
>better final twist.
AI2
>cast is more likeable from a social perspective
>also shallower cast
>a much more interesting main mystery that relies more on small details.
>motivates the player to replay for small details.
>has the problem of a lot of stuff felling contrived to make room for the main mystery
>too much focus on romance
>worse chemistry between characters
>more game-y puzzle like somniums
>worse final encounter
>meme villain
2 does some cool stuff but 1 is just much tighter overall, I guess when a game has to stand on its own merits you have much more effort put into it. In AI2 who cares if Gen/Amame/Kizuha/Lien are boring? Date will(and he did) carry the story whenever he shows up.
>>main mystery relies too much on a fictional machine with a hidden function you have almost no way to guess.
The twist in 2 is way more guessable, but I like 1's more because it's the one missing piece that makes everything make sense. 2's "lol the timeline was secretly twisted" is just kind of cliche and doesn't really feel like it's part of anything at all.
I'm just trying to gauge the strenghts of each game. The twist in 2 is definitely much more interesting from a narrative point of view but it requires the viewer to go through so many points put there solely to go against the viewer that it just feels ultimately annoying.
>mizuki and bibi have the same loadout because
>NASA GLUE
>retcons the first game
>people agree with Ryuuki nonsense in the perfect timings.
>key characters always missing from points that would hint the twist
>has to realize that the flowchart means nothing.
It's definitely a cool idea but it's execution feels like turbo Delta in a wheelchair 2.0
and bibi have the same loadout because
Don't forget exact same bike with exact same stickers in exact same position.
For the bike I assumed it was just like an adorabit edition or full bike wrap available online.
But wearing the Sekiba High uniform + custom jacket on top and same hairstyle is where I draw the line.
Aiba tells one of the Mizuki's to slowdown and mentions the scooter was ABIS issued, so maybe they have multiple of them.
>doesn't really feel like it's part of anything at all
Ok. Why? Because it had to do with you and the antagonist instead of say Mizuki/Ryuki and the antagonist? Why does that really matter, and where does this disconnect come from? The timeline being twisted and how the antagonist is taking advantage of that are critical parts of the entire story, why the bodies are placed the way they are, they're directly part of the antagonist's motive and MO that you have to uncover. What way is this not part of the mystery?
>The twist in 2 is way more guessable
for me it was the exact opposite. i went the annihilation route first in 1 so i had a decent guess of what was gonna happen, 2 i had no fricking clue until the moment it was revealed and felt moronic i didnt see it coming
Why do you keep samegayging?
you're just proving you didn't actually play the first game
Yeah I wish they didn't focus on romance as much in AI2. Kinda made me cringe. I'm here for the mystery and mindfrick kino not all this fairytale romance endings.
based and true. frick the hype train morons
just give it time and the hyped up idiots will calm down and see the game for what it is: decent but exists to piggyback off the novelty of AI1.
Anyone actually thinking the first game is better than the second game is braindead as hell.
I think AI1 and AI2 are about the same. One step forward, one step back syndrome.
>Just beat the game
Me too, want to go back to playing better games - like the first AI. Seriously what fricking dogshit was this...
Well i still have to fricking enter the nil number and see if something fun happens (probably won't) and unlock 3 more achievements to see if i get a sexy outfit for tama.
Also the ending song sucks, where as in the first one it was kind of nice.
Both songs sucked. Not sure where this moronation is coming from in where the first game is better than the second game. The first game was boring as hell. The second game had that Uchikoshi-ness that I crave.
Lmao, yeah it was a bit boring at times and not as good as zero escape games (mostly because lack of puzzles). But holy shit the second game is just a dumpster fire. Well there was one somnium that was kind of fun (Tearers), but that's about it.
>hurr explaining bullshit with gazillion plot holes
yeah idc, the game is still trash. And she doesn't look 6 years older in the present so you are moronic.
The second game had far better puzzles and somniums than the first game.
yeah somniums in general are moronic in general when it comes to puzzles (both games). Gotta dumb it down for the 85 IQs I guess. And even the few puzzles that you have in ai 2, you can have Aiba use her "processing power" and solve it LMAO.
>SHE DOESN'T LOOK 6 YEAR OLDER BECAUSE MUH EXPERIMENTS!!!!
stop digging the hole any deeper lmao, you sound moronic. This game's story is moronic shit, probably caused by writers working from home for 3 years. Which is why the second half of the game, when covid hit is especially shit.
You're fricking moronic.
>yeah idc, the game is still trash. And she doesn't look 6 years older in the present so you are moronic.
Because of the experiments and because of her growth cycle you fricking idiot. Not everyone is gonna look radically different. Amame looks the exact same 6 years later as well despite being the same age as the big sis Mizuki.
>Both songs sucked
Dunno i actually had an emotion after seeing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQTmwiukq4
After seeing the ending of ai 2 the crapium initiave i felt nothing.
You already replied to me but the first game's song made me fall asleep. The second game's song was also bad but atleast it made up for being a much better game than the snoozefest that is the first game.
The only thing I hated about AI2 was how fricking stupid the final battle was. The thing I hated about AI1 was Mizuki fighting like she's fricking Goku, and it's literally double of that in AI2. Date's "porno mag power" is funny as a one gag but they used three times in AI2.
anyone autist enough to play through the game with and without the first game spoilers enabled? I was kind of confused because they didn't reference the first game that much anyway
It just removes some content that references the first game. Also disables a load of collectibles so you can't get certain achievements.
POST TAMA
some of you dipshits really need to just go back the very last puzzle you have to solve that takes you to the stadium. They rehashed so many big points from the whole game during that one bit that are super relevant to the divergence ending
Okay so the entire timeline is supposed to be like those chakras that are split but still connected?
right but you don't even need to focus on that to get what's happening
the player being able to go back and do these little things are treated like things that aren't supposed to be possible by the creators of the world
every time you do something impossible and you eventually expose where the events intersect
and then the very last impossible thing you do is at the only intersection you speak with the villain at
am I having a stroke or am I just moronic? I just got to the part where it's revealed the two timelines were actually crisscrossing one day at a time. but then why the frick is mizuki still 18 six years ago?
keep going
Did you not see the Kizuna ending
did no one other than kizuna ever interact with "mizuki" in the past? because otherwise surely someone other than her would have mentioned knowing a girl that looks just like her, in the present.
Only people who already know her (Lien and Moma), or don't know young Mizuki yet.
it's weird to me that lien never said anything along the lines of "wow mizuki you look just like this other mizuki I know".
Past Mizuki interacts with Moma and Lien who both know her as Quartz. She also meets Shoma and Date but Date is the only one who comments on the resemblance. And then there's Detective guy and Kagami too I guess.
Any problems with that?
Two carlos
the real weird part is they wear the exact same clothing and customized their bikes the exact same way
Post Tokiko
>the thing you unlock after going through everything
>the puzzle room
That made me smile more than it should have.
I speedread the game a 2nd time in chronological order. Like with VLR, there definitely a bunch of scenes/dialogue that made little sense during the 1st playthrough but were minor enough for you to brush aside
Just a few I can remember off the top of my head:
-Mizuki talking to Shoma about Komeji's secret. Shoma says his dad lost the suitcase only 3 days ago so this couldn't have taken place 6 years after his death. It would also be weird for the security to find the recording of drunk Komeji 6 years later.
-When Date sees Bibi after tranquilizing Tearer in the factory, he is shocked and comments on the "resemblance." And obviously Bibi has no reaction to Date's "return"
-You can give Shoma Valentines chocolate twice as both Mizukis in the past and present. Shoma comments on the deja vu when he receives it in the present
-Gen talks to Ryuki about his restaurant getting busy due to a rocket firing which happens in the present
And after two playthroughs, there are still some things I don't get:
-When did Ryuki get exposed to the virus? He has his first freakout after watching the QR video on the first day. And he says he contracted the virus after opening the box. I think he somehow solved the Nirvana Trial video (Uploaded on Feb 9) one day before the Quiz show (Feb 10) which would have led him to the cathedral and the box. But why wouldn't Tama know about all this?
-Why was the nurse who took care of Jin as a child convinced the online photos were the same guy when he has a completely different face and no % mark?
-When did Bibi act as Quartz with Lien and Moma? She was with the Chiedas from 9-15 and with Boss from 15 onwards. And she became an ABIS agent at 18. Did Boss just let her daughter work for the Yakuza?
-Why did Tearer not lose his left eye after the psync with the prototype machine
-Why does the game say Liberty Island doesn't exist?
>-Why did Tearer not lose his left eye after the psync with the prototype machine
It's explained if you examine it, ABIS modified it to be up to date. Also explains why they just left it there, Saito rigged it to self-destruct if removed and they don't want to destroy it because of how valuable it is, so it's left as a backup. No explanation for the zero security though.
>-Why does the game say Liberty Island doesn't exist?
No explanation but I think it's to differentiate between the real world and game world. Wonder why Gen is the only one to know differently though.
So...they couldn't move it because Saito rigged it to blow...but they were able to give it an upgrade so it doesn't require ripping your eye out?
Yeah, and they also left it there because of how valuable and important it is, but left it unguarded.
Isn't the warehouse still in the closed off district that people aren't supposed to be hanging around due to risk of infection?
His twin dying six years prior is to cover gaps in the dialogue where Ryuki is speculating about 6 years ago in something that happened in the past while you were playing as Nene and aside from that it's just motivation for him. Ryuki got the short end of the stick but if/when he comes back his brother will end up being something bigger in another case probably
>Isn't the warehouse still in the closed off district that people aren't supposed to be hanging around due to risk of infection?
Yeah but shouldn't there at least be locks on the doors or security cameras or something for this multi billion dollar national secret body swapping machine memory scan machine?
You mean the multi billion dollar national secret body swapping machine memory scan machine that in this game FOR SOME REASON the 2 super secret special agents have no issue openly discussing with the people they just scanned?
What really are the chances of
>someone finding it there in the middle of an infected district
>that person having the intention of stealing it
>trying to steal it without realizing it's rigged
>successfully stealing it without getting blown up
In the end it's all because we're not spoiling the first game, but it's pretty much only ever going to see any use in an emergency like the one they had
didn't get that impression. They call Chikara out for being the real bastard a couple times
>nene
Bibi*
they also apparently removed the feature that injects stimulants into the patient and sedates the psyncer
Tokiko's hologram actually says that in the game world Liberty Island doesn't exists
For 1) He opened the box at a point that Tama wasn't around for. Him seeing the glitches has nothing to do with TC-PURGE
Actually, I have a question about this, if Ryuki seeing the glitches has nothing to do with TC-PERGE then how come Tearer plays a video that gives him an episode and knocks him out so he can kill Komeji? Or are we supposed to assume he just played the video because "oh, so spooky" and he didn't have a plan when walking in a building with a cop with a loaded fricking gun?
Could have just been a lucky break for Tearer. Yes, "oh so spooky" is pretty much the entire point of the videos, it could easily just have been images or plain text if it was only about the code.
Ryuki has actual brain damage nothing to do with TC-PERGE.
The plan was to distract him with the video and knock him out, remember he was actually knocked out and tied up AFTER the glitches happened. I don't think Tearer ever knew 100% what Tokiko was planning.
>Tearer ever knew 100% what Tokiko was planning.
Not even Tokiko knew what she was planning.
Amame was the person of Tearer's fate by his own admission so I think she had pretty much everything planned out all the way
b***h was suicidal, it's not she cared
She definitely didn't care anymore after she figured out the glitches were real and she was already at her lowest point. Her son did still care which is kind of sad
>When did Ryuki get exposed to the virus? He has his first freakout after watching the QR video on the first day. And he says he contracted the virus after opening the box. I think he somehow solved the Nirvana Trial video (Uploaded on Feb 9) one day before the Quiz show (Feb 10) which would have led him to the cathedral and the box. But why wouldn't Tama know about all this?
I guess he got infected the first time we see him go to the cathedral? I forget if that was past or present. Either that, or offscreen he solved the video. Tama was intentionally hiding all the shady shit he did after being infected/blackmailed and admitted as much, either that, or explained away by Tama being damaged during the past events
>Why was the nurse who took care of Jin as a child convinced the online photos were the same guy when he has a completely different face and no % mark?
This one seems like a plot hole, but maybe the mark on his face appeared later on due to the illness? idk
>When did Bibi act as Quartz with Lien and Moma? She was with the Chiedas from 9-15 and with Boss from 15 onwards. And she became an ABIS agent at 18. Did Boss just let her daughter work for the Yakuza?
Sounds about right, she was very hands off.
>Why did Tearer not lose his left eye after the psync with the prototype machine
100% plothole, or ignored for the sake of not spoiling the first game
>Why does the game say Liberty Island doesn't exist?
Reverse mandela effect/to gaslight you into googling it.
>This one seems like a plot hole, but maybe the mark on his face appeared later on due to the illness? idk
No, his illness explicitly only affects the other half of his body and he was born with that mark. And regardless of the mark he looks nothing like Uru.
Could just be explained as her thinking it was plastic surgery or whatever though, she recognized him through his personality not his face.
For the not looking similar, I think it's plausible to believe he looked very different as a kid in the hospital and as an adult, so the nurses probably just heard his name on TV and went "oh yeah I remember that kid".
Ryuki finds the cathedral in the present. And he says he has had the virus for 6 years after opening the box. Ryuki (really the player) also learns about the Nirvana Trial video in the present from Shoma. But later on, he explains the solution to the video to Mizuki about how it leads to the locked door and there's another set of clues to find the keys. And after finding the keys, he can get to the cathedral with the virus box. Shoma never explains the solution so it implies Ryuki solved the video himself at some point.
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Anyone shocked nothing came out of Ryuki's twin?
I swear I was sure it was going to be important
yes, it's a massive red herring
That and several other plot points I hope get picked up by AI3 if it happens. Still waiting on an explanation from AI1 on how the wadjet system can see across timelines or whatever and restore aiba's data.
First game was one of two eyeballs
Second game is one half of a body
Third game will be an entire person, one half of a pair
Did anyone feel sorry for Uru? It's kinda weird how much of the game doesn't care about him
I think during the ending when everyone is saying Amane didn't deserve it, they specifically say that maybe Uru didn't either
They also say maybe Chikara and Shigure were just victims of circumstance and it all goes back up to the cult. Someone points out how the % mark is a slash going down between two circles, that could very well be a set up to a theme of tearing twins apart.
Friendly reminder that Date was the one who killed Ryuki's brother during his days as Falco.
you know that's actually a possible theory
Nah, it being a twin makes me think that's going to be the next game's theme, a serial killer going after one twin.
Nah I highly doubt Ryuki's brother will be relevant in AI3.
Hah? I don't think Ryuki mentioned he recognized the criminal. Just that they knew a criminal was on the loose.
Nah, the story was they recognized the wanted criminal. Bro wanted to be a hero and catch him but ended getting half his body run over by truck-kun. Half of Ryuki's bro probably got isekaid to another game.
Anon Ryuki's bro was just a plot device for Ryuki's backstory.
That attack worsened Nene's heart problems.
>nene
Bibi*
It's Nene.
no it isnt weeb
It's Nene, landwhales
uhhh, it's actually ねえねえ you fricking gaijin
don't pretend you know japanese and are interested in uchikoshi shit
but anon i played it in chinese
Ryuki's bro was killed by a wanted criminal they recognized on the street. Nobody knows who F is.
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Meds, Ryuki!
Has anyone actually translated the bullshit Ryuki spouts whens he’s having an episode.
I have. Do you guys remember that real life ARG that SC was doing before the game? With those characters being kidnapped along with Iris? Ryuki was mentioning all their names including Iris' and how they were not supposed to interfere with this world and about the others disappeared from the simulation but Iris remained.
>the others disappeared while Iris remained
Oh shit.....is this foreshadowing over something weird going on with Iris?
Speaking of, how many of you went back to the ARG to input the final code now that you beat the game?
Pretty sure everyone did.
Gonna assume Iris is gonna be a killer or antagonist at some point in AI3.
some anon posted the results from inputting it a few threads back. I genuinely thought it was just a high-effort schizopost until I checked myself
wait is that what the final appendix entry is for? I didn't bother keeping up with the ARG
>ARG
>Final code
What?
Prior to the release of the game, there was an ARG where two people would be kidnapped, and you had to solve puzzles by inputting codes, and then voting on who you wanted to live. The Wikia has the entire game uploaded, including the puzzles if you wanted to try it out.
The last two people who were kidnapped was Iris and the dude who accidentally gave her brain cancer Anyways, after it ended, we were given another video to watch and a clue to come back that would be revealed when the game released.
Yeah that's the final input for the game.
https://sunaiku-foundation.com/hiddenbats/
wait what is the code suppose to be. i beat the game yesterday but i never really touched the ARG
Last entry you unlock after frayer ending
oh neat. feels like a big setup for something but also without any context i'm confused as shit.
alright I understand the timeline thing now after reading all that chakra shit again
Tokiko is crazier than Delta tbqh
Tokiko got everything she wanted.
Overall I liked the game, but it felt very much like fitting a peg into a round hole, very 999->VLR vibes where the setting just got bigger and less personal with some pretty big ass retcons Mizuki being the biggest one
Overall I think it landed on its feet which is rare for a game of this type but yes there is some really stupid shit in it like two Mizukis and some connections to the first game are just weird like Soejima or Hitomi/Date connection
I feel the same. The core of the story and the big twist are good, and the gameplay is improved, but the supporting stuff kinda fall apart. It's all too convenient, and unlike the convenient BS in AI1, they don't even try to give it any backing to make it believable. To give an example, in AI1 the reason the writers made the original killer take the eyes was simply to hide the big reveal, but at least they explained how Rohan had some mental illness, and how he became obsessed with right eyes, etc. to make it plausible. AI2 just goes "lmao ABYS servers down for a week, how convenient".
Nah, the big twist with the timeline is the worst part of the game because there's literally no meaning to it at all. I feel like the people who praise it and Tokiko's meta shit are newbies who never played Ever17.
Correct, I have never played Ever17 or the other game. Should I?
It's a great game but you already know the main twist of the game because he literally re-used it almost exactly.
Ever17 is the most competent Uchi game and it's worse because of it. you still should play it if you want to see where he's been taking every single twist of his from
The twists in this are just badly-rehashed stuff from Ever17, but if you know what the twist is there's no point to playing Ever17.
ignore the other ppl about "muh twist". ever17 is just great and you should play it if you like AI, 999, VLR etc.. the start is pretty shit but there is a reason why it's so lauded
don't reply to shitposters
It's fantastic but now that you've been spoiled on how it has the same twist you'll never be able to enjoy it. Sucks to be you.
>tearer had absolutely no idea he would die
>left incredibly long and specific video files to be played in the event of his death just in case
why?
Literally nothing better to do
jerking off the left half of his wiener and fricking his emotionless crazy mom
He did anticipate he would die, he says in the videos that he did, he just didn't care because he was convinced he would reach Moksha with the rest of humanity after his Peace Walker launch succeeded. But it was really his mother's plan that succeeded
Oh, I played the game in Japanese. Did they translate gedatsu to moksha in the English version? I guess that's why
got the impression that AI2 is Hinduism. Weird how they figured they had to localize Buddhist terms, only to change them to Hindu ones.
Yes, they replaced almost all buddhist terminology with Hindu stuff. I think they wanted to tie everything in because the game actually has a lot of Hindu symbolism like Ganesha with Gen.
Hinduism and Buddhism are for the most part the same religion, but it's really more Buddhism for the gedatsu stuff and all the chapter titles, not to mention how Tokiko literally starts talking about becoming a buddha (written out in romaji in the Japanese version) too.
>Ganesha is there to foreshadow the Furue/Uru body thing, because Ganesha's head got cut off and replaced with an elephant
>Mizuki's name is "crystal" in kanji
>Mama has two crystal balls foreshadowing two Mizukis
pottery
Also Gen is themed after Ganesha.
>Entertainer Comedian
>Entertainer Showman
>Doi Amame
>Maameido (Mermaid)
>no spinoff about Date during the 6 year timeskip
>after his Peace Walker launch succeeded
with all the gene talk I do wonder if Uchikoshi was replaying MGS
>game where you play as Falco
literally impossible
honestly I was thinking of something more like a side character in something with a different cast, even a novel
she literally says it herself when you ask her why she hates him so much
No the problem is during the 6 years Date went around looking like Falco without the silicon mask
Yeah. It's funny how Uru failed but his mom Tokiko succeeded.
he played ZTD
date = soul
mizuki = soulless
simple as
why was mask mizuki so pissed at ryuki anyway? he did literally nothing wrong.
He literally shot her.
he shot her with stun round six years ago because a serial killer was holding his only loved one hostage. come the frick on.
He shot her and he had no balls when he did
Ryuki shot her with stun bullets when he was being blackmailed by Tearer. This fricked up her heart even further.
>This fricked up her heart even further.
where was this stated?
When Mizuki literally asks her why she hates Ryuki so much when they go to pick him up
Immediately after entering the true route you can ask her why she keeps staring at him like she wants to murder him.
Bibi straight up says it. She had to have more frequent hospital visits as a result and it interfered with her ability to work.
She literally says it when they see Ryuki moping in the destroyed cathedral
>tfw you realize Tearer is the fanatic Delta was talking about
Zero escape universe will never be s thing
>delta's plan was to get the players interested in somnium files to stop the fanatic
kino
>even in another series, Delta's cancer can be felt
>Ever17
>game
I need an Aiball GF and I don't care if I had to permanently indenture myself to Amazon for it. I unironically and in absolute seriousness, would. Datebros.. how soon do you think we could have offline AIGF/BF integration with our consciousness'?
The technology is just not quite there yet, google glass is probably the closest thing but it can’t project holograms or properly interact/banter with your consciousness. I think this might exist in our lifetimes but maybe in 30 years and a lot less cool and authentic than you’d think.
>fail to have a nice day
>receive some convoluted, fever dream revelation and immediately assume it will work/think you can pull it off
god she was so fricking dumb. I wanna frick that hag
>got what she wanted in the end while her cucked son failed to join her
How was she dumb?
>she did it
>it worked
>she also knew specific shit that hadn't happened yet so it wasn't something that vague either
nuts yes, dumb no
no, she's definitely dumb. she was told what to do, literally. she did not figure out anything herself
everything she did was only done because she was told how to do it and that it would work
everything worked because the writer needed everything to work for the twist
So it was really her plan and her actions to make the plan happen. Using the likes of Ryuki and Amame to make it work.
she was told the plan when she tried to kill herself.
she literally says that every action she did or asked others to do was to get her to that fray
that she knew they would lead her there because she was told they would lead her there
So it was literally her plan. Being told information doesn't mean anything without a concrete plan.
you're just repeating yourself and the only way to respond would be to repeat myself
she was told what to do.
read, moron
Because your argument is fricking stupid.
there is no argument, I'm just pointing out how her actions are justified by the plot for the sake of the plot (objectively and factually)
Tokiko was the real winner of the game. She's far from dumb.
People here only liked AI1 better because they were too dumb to understand AI2's twists.
I like specific things about AI1 better mainly when comparing the late game in both but yeah 2 is better overall. AI2 is what VLR should've been in a world where Uchi never put us through that horseshit with Kyle
cope harder idiot
just admit you're disappointed by a game that reused the novelty of AI1
I understood the twist because it's the third time Uchikoshi has used the EXACT same twist.
I just didn't like it because it's a twist ONLY for the reader, not the characters, and it's revealed in the most absurdly nonsensical way where Momma just fricking tells you the reader directly at an appropriate point in the story.
This. Ganker always shit on things they don't understand even when explained right in front of them.
Reused it how?
it reused the novelty of futuristic dreamwalking cyber-cop of AI1, reused every asset, cutscene and gameplay mechanic from the first game purely for low budget fanservice while barely improving upon them.
imo the story in the first game felt tighter to me, worked better with Saito being a great and psychotic antagonist to the story.
while i enjoyed AI2 the timeline being vomited at the end at the player, and the double Mizuki thing (i guessed this near the start of the game since both are the same height) felt wholly unsatisfying to me.
>it reused the novelty of futuristic dreamwalking cyber-cop of AI1, reused every asset, cutscene and gameplay mechanic from the first game purely for low budget fanservice while barely improving upon them.
Literally only the asset part is true. And the dreamwalking cop concept is literally the fricking point of the series you dumbass. Did you sperg out over DR2 reusing the class trials?
>Did you sperg out over DR2 reusing the class trials?
the author did that in DRV3.
>And the dreamwalking cop concept is literally the fricking point of the series you dumbass.
yes, and like i said they barely improved upon these mechanics. it's just constantly forced in because characters arbitrarily refuse to yield to interrogation (this worked poorly in this game). i did use the word "reused" you should read more closely dumbfrick.
>Did you sperg out over DR2 reusing the class trials?
never played it, that's irrelevant moron. KYS asap for typing this irrelevant bullshit in here
If we're talking about mechanics, AI2 does Somniums much better than AI1. I'd agree that the whole taking people to the Psync Machine is rediculous in AI1 and taken to an even more stupid degree in AI2. There is no reason for half the people who are hiding things to even agree to somnium, like Lien. But that's a different problem from them not using somniums and psyncs well, because I think that was one of the big advantages AI2 has over AI1.
>the blue half of the eye on the title art
I kneel
>There is no reason for half the people who are hiding things to even agree to somnium, like Lien.
they're probably forced to do it via multiple means including drugging and threats at that point
like how it jumps to Lien opening the freezer again after the Somnium
both of them could've used a wig
In the first game Date gets in trouble for bringing people to ABIS without a warrant. In the second game, half the psyncs can only take place if Mizuki and Ryuki are kidnapping people and psyncing with them while Boss is in a host club.
>and psyncing with them while Boss is in a host club.
The fact that boss and Pewter just weren't even there for half the fricking game is ridiculous. Especially since you spend most of the game playing as Boss's daughter!
They are not needed.
the only time bibi psyncs at HQ boss is there for it
I can understand boss, but Pewter’s story arc is pretty much done. Most of his role in the first game was tied to explaining the major twists revolving around the psync machine. He might as well be the 6 minute man because Im sure over half of his lines were related to the gag of reminding us of a risk for a plot point that isn’t even relevant in this game.
it's funny that the fictional sci-fi secret police are way more limited in their powers of arrest and detainment than actual japanese cops
So you're just a braindamaged moron. Got it.
>Personally think that they leaned a bit too much into some of the things that I liked in the first game
Wow it's almost like it's the sequel or something.
not an argument KYS troony
>Wow it's almost like it's the sequel or something.
AI1 stands on itself as a good game which never needed a sequel. of course there are dumbfrick trannies like yourself who'll soiface at any hint of fanservice & pandering
>Wow it's almost like it's the sequel or something.
Nah, I'm with him on that one. Yeah, its a sequel, but that doesn't mean that you have to just repeat yourself rather than do anything new. Kizzy just annoyed me because unlike Iris, she wasn't the focus of the story and she didn't have an intimate relationship with either of the protags unlike Date did with Iris. So you have a side character constantly coming in and singing and dancing for no good reason other than the first game had singing in dancing. It feels forced rather than being an integral part of the sequel's plot, its there because the first game had it.
It's just so odd that Iris and Amame are both Kizzy's friends yet you almost never get any scenes of htem interacting.
tell me you played the game without telling me
Splitting the timeline and having multiple protagonists meant that the time spent on developing the characters suffered. I like the core mystery in AI, but missing out on that characterization definitely makes the story weaker.
>if you don't like certain plot aspects it must be because you didn't play the game
No autist. I said she doesn't have an intimate relationship like the one Date had with Iris. Where Iris and Date are very, very intimately related and their relationship is a core aspect of the plot. Stuff like Iris only going with Saito because she saw Falco's face.. Kizzy and Mizuki are barely related, they're kind of just friends by association with Iris and Amame. They certainly don't have a very close relationship in game, its all in the background. Then you have Bibi, but bibi doesn't even see Kizuna until the last two hours of the game and her relationship with her isn't as substantial as the one between Iris and Falco. They have a relationship, but like Kizzy's relationship with Lien, it mostly takes place offscreen with little payoff on screen.
Your argument is so stupid and proved you didn't play the game. You forgetting Kizuna being close to the Mizukis?
why do you keep responding to the same shitposting schizo's bait?
Yeah I'm gonna just ignore him.
Honestly the worst thing about iris was that she was close to date. It felt like an inferior date/mizuki relationship.
That's kind of the point - they're both basically his daughters and you can pretty cleanly split Ai1 into the half that Date spends with Mizuki and the half he spends with Iris.
You don't even find out Iris was his "daughter" until later on. Other than that, she was just an annoying side show compared to Mizuki. A good thing AI2 did was have be a supporting character.
You don't figure it out, but I think Date subconciously knows who Iris is and instantly starts acting fatherly around her. That's what Mizuki was missing. She was like Date with the sass and even some of the horniness but she didn't have the fatherly aspect that would come out of Date once in a while.
That was my first reply to you but if you're seeing schizos in your head then maybe its time to stop posting.
This is pure headcanon all for an asinine complaint on how protagonists should be.
>This is pure headcanon
You can replay the game yourself. Date is drawn to Iris and looks out for her even more than he looks out for Mizuki.
>asinine complaint on how protagonists should be.
I'm not saying that Mizuki should be like Date. I'm saying that Date had more to his character than horny man and that's why he's interesting and why people like him. Mizuki doesn't really have much going on personality wise and her interactions with Aiba aren't as entertaining as a result. I wish that the game focused on Ryuki entirely. They could have pulled off the same twist without overcomplicating it with double Mizukis by just having Ryuki be a complete schizo. Then you'd have 1 protagonist with more time to develop and interact and form relationships with the cast.
>Date is drawn to Iris and looks out for her even more than he looks out for Mizuki.
Please go play the game.
Mizuki can punch through steel and Iris is dying of cancer, no shit one needs more help
Mizuki was the one traumatized by seeing her parents die in front of her while Date doesn't know about Iris' cancer outside of the true ending route. Its actually kind of weird how much Date ditches Mizuki at the start of the story to hang out with Iris and only makes sense if you consider that part of Falco recognizes her.
It would work too if you cut Ryuki and one of the Mizukis. Having the game split between three protags hurt the overall story. I think Ryuki was the more interesting one of the three protagonists that we did get and I'm a little annoyed that his story arc ended so early without getting his full redemption in the present day.
This. Mizuki needed way more attention than Iris.
>I think Ryuki was the more interesting one
He was easily th worst. He was boring as hell. I'm glad they aborted him from the plot so we can deal with Mizuki instead.
Nah, I liked his schizo unreliable narrator thing. He also had a very clear motivation to solve the murders due to his dead brother and guilt over Date. Mizuki doesn't feel as motivated to solve the mystery as Ryuki is because Bibi has to hide her motivations to the frayer in order keep up the ruse cruise and Mizuki mentions losing Date at the very beginning of the game but doesn't use that as a driving motivation to solve the case after that one scene.
It was stupid. That's why he was boring and why it was great that he got tossed aside for Mizuki who was much more entertaining and had better deduction scenes.
Ryuki was shit. He should have been cut completely so we can focus solely on Mizuki.
Personally think that they leaned a bit too much into some of the things that I liked in the first game. They put a lot of screen time into the song and dance and all the old gags, but didn't bring a whole lot that was new. I wouldn’t say it made the game worse, but it was a bit of a letdown.
I understood the twist completely. Ai1 is still better
In what ways? I need a good laugh.
Has anyone actually translated the bullshit Ryuki spouts whens he’s having an episode.
it's all gibberish lorem ipsum type text
So why does Frayer inhabit Ryuki instead of the Mizukis or even Date? Like why Ryuki? When did this happen?"
The Frayer is you specifically. Anytime you see something in the game, that's the Frayer interacting with the story, that's why during the timeline reveal, it acknowledges you were with Mizuki
Frayer is just Player. It's supposed to be some weird meta but not meta twist.
Pretty sure that scene with Mama was Frayer with Ryuki. They made it a big deal that only Ryuki was seeing these seams.
The Frayer is there watching the entire thing play out on both sides and giving inputs. The reason why it has to be Ryuki for the plan to work is because he's the one that meets her "between warp and weft" or whatever the actual translation for that should be. Mizuki does not.
don't reply to shitposters
So why did Tokiko commit ritual suicide as part of her plan? If the plan is just to get the player to reload an earlier save to give her a certain code to prevent the murders she plotted, why does she need to die? This has to have something to do with the story order twist, right? Because it's specifically her death that's in the wrong time from the player's POV, so her death has to be related to the reverse chronology Blick Winkel trick, or else why go through all the trouble of forcing Amame to plant her corpse like the other victims? Or was she just a lunatic who wanted to align her chakras that just happened to be correct and I'm a schizo for overthinking it?
She literally explains it, she does all that weird stuff so that Mizuki and Bibi would go back to the Naix Headquarters, so that the AI will tell "them" the Nil code that she asked for 6 years ago
Anon why even play the game if you refuse to pay attention to what the characters are saying? Tokiko LITERALLY explained why she did what she did.
Each body represents a chakra, each split chakra = each split body = half the squares on the timeline which they pin up with what body half was discovered. Baiting (You) with Dahlia Boat and leaving behind the Almighty hint is so (You) can see the criss-cross by breaking all the rules of the game and getting closer to the seam. So the answer is she was a suicidal schizo but she was also doing it deliberately.
She explained that there are seven chakras, right? I'm counting the victims: Jin, Uru, Horadori, Tokiko, Komeji. Are there two more metaphorical victims, Kizuna maybe? It still counts if the chakra is split horizontally, I think. But now that you mention it, what was with the Dahlia Boat and Almighty things? I get that they'd want to condition the player into thinking that entering codes from the future is fine and harmless, but how could they have possibly known that the player would need to enter them in a somnium, or that one parallel Uru would say Dahlia and one would say Boat?
Dahlia Boat is easy enough for the split timelines. "If you don't kill Komeji say this to Shoma, if you do then say this to Ryuki". I don't think they would've even had to know who would get put in the psync machine because the laptop and pw are in Bibi's somnium for a real world reason in the first place
Do you think Tokiko ever got impatient and had Uru and Jin eiffel tower her on a bed of nails to try and reach moksha sooner?
No you degenerate. Tokiko is only saving that for when she leaves the simulation.
Quite literally made for each other
Don't forget the Skills section
What did she mean by this
She knows when mizuki is wearing her period panties.
Does Jin have half of Uru's dick?
What if they're very different lengths?
What if one was a grower and the other a shower?
One is circumcised and the other isn’t. Weird for uchikoshi to add that detail
They only swapped faces. The rest of Uru/Jin's bodies are the same on the outside. On the inside Uru is missing organs.
more importantly, did they transplant one of Uru's testes? if Jin fricked someone, would his seed or Uru's seed precede?
Trick question, Jin and Uru would only ever frick their mom
Tokiko is for real world men.
remember where you have to go to give her the number, it's right where past and present cross while Ryuki is there. 6 years ago she asks for the number, 6 years later she breaks the statue thing. You have to go to the literal center of the disconnected chakras for her to get out
You know maybe Tearer would've had a better time if he shaved the left side of his head
Big tit Iris
>all these complaints from people who either didn't play the game or have the attention span of a goldfish
How the frick do you beat the swings minigame? I tried timing it with the animations and the sound effects and nothings working.
Play AI The Somnium Files.
the fans outside of here are all gay pansies, can't even talk about mizuki dicky or incest
What do the fans outside Ganker talk about?
So why did they outright copied SDR2 twist? Seems lazy.
Uchikoshi has been pulling off the exact same twist over and over again since Ever17.
because you have no idea what you're talking about and don't realize that the authors are friends and constantly steal ideas from each other and when they did it in danganronpa it was already a reference to an earlier uchikoshi game that did the exact same thing.
Why did SDR2 just plagiarize Ever17?
bait so bad it wraps around to being great
Should I actually play AI? it seems like these games are made for longtime fans, is it as good as AA and Danganronpa?
Danganronpa sucks
It's like $5 on steam right now, and there's only two games, so yeah give it a shot. The first game has more of a Ghost Trick Vibe, then an actual AA or even Zero Escape vibe gameplay wise.
Its not really made for long time fans of Uchikoshi. You might even enjoy it more if you haven't played his past games because him reusing plot devices won't annoy you like it does old time fans.
Also, Danganronpa is absolute shit, what is wrong with you? I played the first game and it was just constantly insulting your own intelligence.
>Mondo's gang sign is in the school shed, this goes nowhere and means nothing
>All doors are unlocked and you're free to explore!
>actually you can't go into these rooms because your investigation doesn't require you to do so
>can't even go into dead student's rooms despite all the locks being removed
>ending of the game is so pants on head moronic that it actually tells you to stop thinking and stop asking questions
If you think Danganronpa is a good game then you should legitimately have a nice day.
An anon literally said DR 2 and Ai were kamige of the same level.
I didn't play DR2 because DR1 was so fricking bad. Like I'm supposed to believe that 14 year olds just suddenly became 16 and didn't notice their own bodies going through puberty.
Ok, that's a pretty underwhelming reason for his axe being there.
>explain why I liked Ryuki
>it was stupid and he was boring
Well, this conversation isn't going anywhere. I've made my case and you can keep repeating that as much as you want.
>Ok, that's a pretty underwhelming reason for his axe being there.
It's not. You're just a schizo who wants every little thing to be super deep and important.
I want the mysteries and and clues to lead to satisfying conclusions. If the axe is just there to show that Mondo was at the school before the killing game started, then ok, fine. It's not one of my major complaints, it just popped into my head as something that was unresolved. Thank you for explaining something that I missed, I guess.
The big problem for me is being told that you can go into every room and not actually being able to, and the entire ending where they tell you to stop asking questions. That's unacceptable for a detective mystery game.
Nah, I think my case holds up. Ryuki has clear motivations and Mizuki doesn't. I wish she acted upon her desire to find justice for Date but she doesn't. Its brought up by Boss at the start and never again. Bibi has good motivations but you can't know them for obvious reasons.
>characters are only good because of motivation
Autism.
>only good
I never said that.
>Well, this conversation isn't going anywhere. I've made my case and you can keep repeating that as much as you want
Your case was as weak as Ryuki's character.
>Mondo's gang sign is in the school shed, this goes nowhere and means nothing
Danganronpa is shit but you're just a fricking moron. His axe being there was supposed to tie into the twist that they were students at the school before this killing game.
>Mondo's gang sign is in the school shed, this goes nowhere and means nothing
It was literally a hint that they were normal students before the killing game happened.
>All doors are unlocked and you're free to explore!
>actually you can't go into these rooms because your investigation doesn't require you to do so
This only happens in the last case you fricking moron.
>can't even go into dead student's rooms despite all the locks being removed
Why would they need to go into their rooms? There's obviously no clues in there.
>ending of the game is so pants on head moronic that it actually tells you to stop thinking and stop asking questions
It literally questions you if Junko was telling the truth or just lying to scare you along that if "Hope can truly save a destroyed world".
Danganronpa isn't even my fricking favorite Spike Chunsoft IP but your post is so incorrect and moronic that I needed to call this shit out.
>This only happens in the last case you fricking moron.
And? Its a major problem with the game.
>Why would they need to go into their rooms? There's obviously no clues in there.
Because you're told that all doors are open to you. Instead of giving you the freedom to explore, the game still railroads you. I wanted to see the other student's rooms to get some insight on their personalities and I was denied even that.
>It literally questions you if Junko was telling the truth or just lying to scare you along that if "Hope can truly save a destroyed world".
If you ask how Junko knocked out all the students and then Junko literally tells you to stop asking questions. I don't see how what you said is in any way a defense of that.
Why waste time with places you know won't contain clues? You are nitpicking the stupidest shit.
Because its a game and I wanted to explore. If the game tells me that all doors are locked, I want to explore all the locked doors. Who knows if there will be clues in there or not? I'm curious to find out. This isn't a nitpick, you're the one that's just turning off your brain and falling for Danganronpa's slick presentation.
Is your dumbass forgetting they were on a time limit? Their lives were on the line this time. Why are you crying about them not wasting their time with the dead students' rooms?
If the game isn't going to give me an actual real time timer, then let me explore the grounds. And again, the point of a mystery game is to try and solve the mystery yourself, not be railroaded into the right rooms. Maybe there is nothing in those rooms. Let me enter, see a little bit of what the students rooms look like, then leave. Let me make a mistake if there is a mistake to be made. Don't tell me that all doors are unlocked then bar me from entering all the doors that have been locked since the beginning of the game except for the 1 that you want me to enter.
>they should have had me inspect the dead students' rooms because....because
Absolute brainlet. I'm done responding to you.
>omg why are you curious and want to solve a mystery in a mystery game? you should just follow the set path the game gives you and be wow'd by the visuals and music
I know you're done because you can't even muster a proper reply to my points anymore.
>you should just follow the set path the game gives you and be wow'd by the visuals and music
if you asked the danganronpa devs why you couldn't explore this would be their answer
Yeah and that's why Danganronpa sucks.
>danganronpa sucks because I didn't know what kind of game it was
okay
>it doesn't suck, its supposed to be bad
but it's not bad, it's just not a mystery
I'd go as far as to say that these are the most mainstream accessible uchikoshi games.
Finally finished it, pretty good but not as much as the first. Loved the last secret ending and the last fanservice bonus.
The third murder (Komeji's) is pretty moronic. It really annoys me that Tama saw Tearer but just thought he was part of the set, as if he wasn't completely different from every other manequin, and when the AI-balls are constantly able to tell you a number of life readings with precision. You're really saying she wouldn't do that in a newly discovered crime scene? Also Tearer just counted on Ryuki being moronic and not having any backup, leaving him hours to do what he needed with the body (even though he was right, he was still caught in the middle of it by the kids). And in the final battle he counted on his little army being enough to take out all the protagonists, assuming they would for some reason not bring any backup (which again, turned out to be true). I get that he's supposed to admire the masterminds in Zero Escape games and blatantly copies Delta so I guess it's kinda of amusing in that way.
Tama and Aiba can't just search their VR stuff entirely without the psyncer's help
Anon they independtly search for life readings all the fricking time throughout the game, and she literally admits to having noticed Tearer there while x-raying the room at the time. It's just stupid that they didn't catch him then and there.
She noticed him, but she couldn't tell him apart to the minutia that the discover going through the augmented reality bit.
>browsed the 5ch thread
>Nips love Tokiko
Porn when
everyone loves the schizo mommy
she's easily the fan favorite from what i gather.
her whole mysterious aura is great and i want to frick her
Yeah it's crazy how much they love Tokiko. It's cool because she's my favorite too.
Japs always have awful taste
Ryuki is great for me because I grown to love his interaction with Tama and I ship them hard by the end.
He as a character is underdevelop though.
Ryuki X Tama is canon
Ryuki was shit. Tama carried the both of them.
All the protags were underdeveloped. But of the three, I definitely thought Ryuki was the more interesting one. That's why I would want him to be the protagonist for AI3 over any of the others. He has the most room to continue to grow. Date should be written out of the series so he can move to Atami with Hitomi and be happy instead of constantly getting amnesia and losing years of his life.
Ryuki was shit and will never hold a game by himself. He'll probably get killed off in AI3.
AI3 will start after Diverge ending with cult of % killing Ryuki because he knows about the simulation and they don't want anyone to even threaten ruining their perfect world
They're not touching that ending anon. It's gonna remain a funny what if ending that may or may not have It's concept touched on more in AI3.
no
Yes. Now kys.
Sounds like you instead.
When do you guys think AI3 could come out?
After uchikoshi's next original game is really bad and flops.
Uchikoshi is busy with his Tookyo projects so it would need to be a little later in the future. Okada alone can't do AI3.
>examine everything in Boss' room right at the start of the game
>remark on how the streamers hanging from her ceiling looks like the DNA double helix
KINO
Ryuki was a mistake tbqh. Very boring, forced to follow him for the first 20 hours. I really expected a twist in the 2nd half that made him interesting but instead they just kinda explained away all his unstable aspects. I also agree with what that anon said on how it's pretty fricking silly that Boss covers for him despite him clearly not being fit for the position at least until his autism nanomachines got cured.
This. The guy was a snoozefest. The only thing that made his route good was Tama.
Tama was shit. Just Aiba but more b***hy and with a worse dynamic than Aiba had with Date.
She was hotter and had a hotter dynamic with Ryuki
Tama was honestly better than Aiba in this game while Mizuki was better than Ryuki.
Both of them are pretty shit in AI2. Aiba doesn't belong in Mizuki's eye socket, they just don't have the same relationship that Aiba and Date had. Tama/Ryuki was closer to that dynamic because in both cases you have Tama and Aiba deliberately witholding information in order to protect their user's mental state. That was interesting, but also rehashed in AI2 so less impactful. Aiba and Mizuki barely have any good banter with each other.
Aiba+Date>Tama+Ryuki>Aiba+Mizuki>Aiba+Mizuki
Ryuki was shif. Mizuki was better. Get over it.
Frick you Tama is a sweetheart and pure unlike that bawd Aiba
I think Ryuki was supposed to balance out Tama’s personality, but it didn’t take all that well. A shame since Tama had a few good zingers during Ryuki’s route.
are these games worth playing if im a fan of detective stuff, but mainly for the investigation aspects? or is it more story/mystery focused. never played a DR or similar game so I don't have much of a frame of reference.
the solutions to the detective stuff are basically spoonfed to you
you might enjoy the ride but it won't take much brainpower
There is a lot more investigating crime scenes in AI2. AI1 is mostly about using the ability to dive into dreams to solve mysteries and requires heavy use of dream logic rather than real logic in order to figure out. Both games are more about the mystery than trying to figure out exactly how the crimes are commited.
AI2 actually did the somniums and investigations a lot better than AI1. I hated how bullshit the somniums were in the first game when it came to using logic.
The Somniums were too easy in AI2. I liked how bullshit the Somniums were in AI1 because they are dreams and function on dream logic. It was fun to think outside the box. The only one that I thought was bullshit was the final Saito one where you're in that factory.
They were easy because they all had logical consistency and were completely solvable without trial and error. Many of AI1's weren't.
>Many of AI1's weren't.
Again, that's fine. Figuring out the dream logic was fun in and of itself and not clearing it on your first attempt isn't necessarily a bad thing. The only one that was actual bullshit was the abandoned warehouse Somnium because the time limit on it was actually quite tight and required you to spend a lot of time backtracking back and forth.
So you're just a fricking idiot who doesn't want to actually use your brain and rather it go moronic for fun.
Figuring out dream logic does require you to use your brain. You might just be seriously autistic if you weren't able to figure them out and can only look at things through a purely logical perspective. Figuring out dream logic was more satisfying because it required extra brain power to think outside the box. It wasn't pure guess work. Maybe for autists like you, but not for me.
Thank goodness the team did not listen to morons like you when developing AI2.
>too moronic to figure out dream logic
>calls others moronic
You might actually be autistic anon. I don't mean this as a joke, or as a jab. My condolences.
>Thank goodness the team made a unique concept more like ZE/AA/DR
>DR
>unique
Lmao. Also AA was not that unique.
how can you possibly have reading comprehension this bad
Are you braindamaged by any chance? I was saying DR and AA didn't have unique concepts.
Why did you reply to me twice?
Yeah go take your meds and stop replying to me again and again.
You're a legit moron with the reading comprehension of a 1st grader.
>doubling down
>implying anyone would bother changing IPs to reply to you twice
anon it's time to stop posting
Holy shit you are a mongoloid.
It was a fricking moronic concept. It wasn't good. It was grating. I'm glad AI2 stopped that shit and started using proper detective logic
Just finished, and I like this one a lot. Still prefer the first game due to the twist and subject matter, but I enjoyed this one. Really enjoyed most of the characters. I think it's fair to say Ryuki was sacrificed for the plot twist. His character was super underdeveloped, I felt nothing when he talked about his twin dying because of the ramblings and lack of Tama pushing back hard on his weird shit. Date is still the best protag, and I would be interested to see if they are going to do a third or just try something else.
Outside of the song (thank god for the skip feature), I'm not sure I get the dislike of Kizzy and Lein. Young Kizzy is boring, but the conflicted older Kizzy is a good character. And Lein is great--he is a good, stupid, straightforward guy. His Somnium felt like a reflection of that by being piss easy. Idk, I thought their inner conflicts in the future were good, and Lein being a bro to Date and Gen is just a bonus to me.
They're boring both past and future. I don't hate them, I just don't like them that much. Lien is boring because he never really explains why he likes Kizzy other than he saw her dance when he was at a low point in his life. Look at his Somnium. What do you learn about Kizzy and Lien's relationship? Nothing, basically the only info there is what you already know. Now compare that to Ota and Shoma's somniums where we learn very intimate details about their relationships with their parents.
Lien doesn't ever show that he likes Kizzy as a person, but as an ideal and a goal. He just sees her as his path to redemption rather than as a complex human being. He loves her because she can dance and she's nice to him. It doesn't go any deeper than that.
Does a cult like NAIX actually exist in real life?
I would unironically join them. This world is a simulation.
/v/tards really are the kind of people who would fall for Naix irl
Scientology
Just be an Elon Musk fan.