Imagine a game world like Skyrim. However, every single npc in it have modern & well controlled AI. Talking to these characters will not be you picking from a small selection of pre-written lines to get some pre-written replies. Instead, you can type whatever you desire, and their answer will be 100% unique. This is what will be a breakthrough for games but RPGs especially.
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Ok, what would the point be? If a conversation is not serving a greater narrative then why even have it? To pretend that you're not too socially awkward to have a real conversation?
>If a conversation is not serving a greater narrative then why even have it?
Have you ever played an RPG?
The defined responses provide context, lore, tone, atmosphere, or do purposely serve any range of narrative.
Talking to an AI bot without any predefined responses does not.
Might as well just visit a website and fall in love with a bot designed to respond to you "like a tsundere" and eventually commit suicide when you realize you've spent 900 hours of your life typing prompts to a bot you ended up falling in love with but, in fact, is not real and cannot provide you with a family.
N-not that I care! Hmph!
You've never played a tabletop RPG. A good GM reacts to players within the context of the game world. That's what an AI driven game would do to. NPCs with relevent info will still give you that info but in an infinite amount of ways depending on how a player plays the game. It's really not that hard to grasp. The game just reacts dynamically. Like a GM would.
>That's what an AI driven game would do to
no, it wouldn#t because "AI" is dumb as shit
It's already doing that you uniformed moron.
You program an individual NPC's personality and the AI will generate responses based on that. It's already here.
Where does the dialogue lead? How do you ensure you're not creating 50 plot holes that destroy the immersion, which is the entire point? Does the interactivity (that is not likely to culminate into actual gameplay) justify the holes you're constantly trying to patch? How far does its memory go? How will you run this on consumer hardware? If through the cloud, understand this would be more expensive than running a multiplayer server. etc.
Even Todd Howard, the guy who started his career with random generation, said he doesn't trust this tech yet to create the experiences he wants to.
>How will you run this on consumer hardware?
It won't.
But it would be a nice way to lure the morons of PS5+Xbox onto le cloud and games as a service.
>you see, the AI wastes tons of CPU mixing together some predefined dialog
>it's impossible that our modern Xbax CPU could handle that, unless we script it aka make it work properly and you don't want that, dontcha
>Even Todd Howard, the guy who started his career with random generation, said he doesn't trust this tech yet to create the experiences he wants to.
Funny, because even when written by a human Bethesda's games fall into those same pitfalls of wasting recording time on pointless fluff that struggles to even be consistent within the game's canon, and goes nowhere because it refers to content they planned but dropped for time.
No, it's not.
>you just program
Exactly,it's predefined, you dumb Black person.
It's all fake and gay
>Ok, what would the point be?
Immersion.
why do you wake up and decide to pretend to be dumb? is being annoying pleasurable to you?
/thread but watch a bunch of homosexual kids tell you you're wrong
Know the lines of dialogue like, "I saw a mudcrav today"
These morons think that generating 10000 variations of it and having a stilted to ot say them would be more "immersive"
Immerse your body into the real world and talk to a human you fricking sperg
Shut up homosexual, lots of people play RPGs for dialogue
You aren't playing it for the "I saw a mudcrab today" kind of dialogue. You are playing for the human written story that matters. Having unlimited generic responses wouldn't improve that experience
I don't know, why don't you ask the RPG writers who waste the limited dialogue on irrelevant shit
The purpose of NPCs is to find the proper NPC with unique dialogue
when you try to picture an apple in your minds eye what do you see? a dark smudge?
Not him, but talking to every single NPC for 5-30 minutes to figure out things they know and then fricking hope the context extends far enough that other NPCs or the world itself will know about it is not my idea of fun. At that point it'd just feel like a second job.
>Ok, what would the point be? If a conversation is not serving a greater narrative then why even have it? To pretend that you're not too socially awkward to have a real conversation?
Most dialogue in video games don't serve the greater narrative, most video games barely even have a greater narrative.
This kind of AI would just be immersive for RPGs, it'd create a new kind of genre. It could also really enhance games like The Sims, having each NPC be a fully fledged virtual person.
Might be a couple of years before the tech involved is good enough to not be immediately obvious as AI. Like, make no mistake, ChatGPT? Pretty cool. These bigass models can pull off neat stuff, if trained correctly.
But I don't think it's ready to replace handwritten dialogue completely yet. Give it a bit more time.
>Imagine a game world like Skyrim. However, every single NPC in it have modern & well controlled AI.
>"I'm sorry but I'm programmed not to respond to racist and/or sexist remarks. Goodbye."
>Game shuts down, gets automatically uninstalled and you get banned from the platform
>he doesn't know
GPT4 is basically unfiltered, you can rape, kill, torture, frick little girls, make girls frick animals, etc
Turns out filtering and censoring your bot, even if its just for lewd shit, drastically hampers it's usefulness even on a business level so they'll pulling back from it
> Basically unfiltered
For now.
Hope you have a way to download the current model before the inevitable cyber lobotomy hits.
This, the current language models are not capable of creating a world where one race is evil, they somehow always tie evil races with black people and shut down or stop to work properly
Also as i said before what exists today are language models, an AI would be able to do things independently from a interaction with a player.
>the current language models are not capable of creating a world where one race is evil,
You're a fricking moron and talking out of your ass.
I tried chatGPT and DungeonAI, and they at best can do good conflicts, as long as there is not a race set as evil in the world, you can say "oh the khajit are a bunch of stealers make a race of anthro cats based on that" it will say "ok" but if you say "the khajit are evil, depict them as assassins" the language models will either try to give you a moral lesson or play dumb and/or pretend that it didn't understand your inputs.
If you want to do something authentic, you will have to stay away from anything made by big tech, in which means microsoft(in which made chatgpt/openAI) or google(Made Bard)
You did not "try" chat gpt4 properly then, you probably used the browser version like a fricking tard.
Get access to the API
Plug it into tavern
Then you can do basically anything you want, I've made tons of character/settings that had inherently evil races, genocides, etc
You fricking morons are so fricking ignorant yet spout shit as if you have any idea what you're talking about regardless, it's like someone trying to discuss video games when their only experience with it are the walmart plug-n-play mini games.
>You fricking morons are so fricking ignorant yet spout shit as if you have any idea what you're talking about regardless
rich, coming from the guy talking about "chatgpt4".
Concession accepted, b***h
hey, that's my line. take an hour to actually read up on what you're talking about next time.
Feel free to point how anything I said wrong, spoiler though, you can't, otherwise you would have taken the shot eagerly by now, see through ass homosexual
already did.
>still can't do it
Endless dopamine for me
>I've made tons of character/settings that had inherently evil races, genocides, etc
Wow what a cool guy truly the future of video games is an edgy choose your own adventure novel
>You can't do (x)!
>Well actually you can do (x)
>snarky substanceless response
The dopamine is so good, stay mad moron
Choose your own adventure novels are not video games
Neither are VNs
Neither is sucking your dogs dick
Plug your epic Black person saying robot into Skyrim (since you all love that example) and see how much fun you actually have
If an AI bot created its own VN, and then drew its own AI art to match, it's sooooooo not a fictional story on par with Skyrim. Not that 2023 AI bots could ever create a story when given parameters or draw art when provided prompts. Right?
If an AI bot wrote and illustrated a VN, it would still not be a video game and only the 7 dumbest weebs in the world would bother playing it
>>Game shuts down, gets automatically uninstalled and you get banned from the platform
based
sexist pigs should get banned from everywhere
their bank account should also get blacklisted
That and fat slobs like Gaben
YWNBAW
Imagine the rape.
>imagine an RPG where all the dialogue is as generic as possible
we already have that it's called divinity original sin gottem
And then you talk to them an hour later and they've completely forgotten their entire personality
i will never play a game with built in antichrist
After the initial novelty wears off, it becomes apparent that everything AI makes is based on the same formula just with a huge library of interchangeable parts. It gets old fast
so they're going to ship their model on the disc?
and it's going to constantly retrain with references to whatever choices you make?
I just want better AI in combat. I need my enemies in these games to be far more challenging, reactive and unique. I do generally avoid big budget games but I'd be willing to explore that category again if developers actually put some real effort into that.
I don't think you do. Enemies in games are made in a way you can defeat them, and the hard part is making them just weak enough so you feel challenged.
>and the hard part is making them just weak enough so you feel challenged.
Most developers don't both, you don't need to when you can get critical acclaim populating your generated open world with single attack braindead sandbags
Apparently this is a real struggle for devs, I remember FEAR and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. having advanced AI in dev but there's a certain point where enemies are smart enough to make players not have fun.
No you don't. You would hate it when computers can not just react literally instantly with the correct countermeasure, you'd probably tweet about how angry you were it predicted your next action and had already taken the correct countermeasure.
You'd call it "cheating."
Dynamic AI doesn't mean it counters everything perfectly. He never even said that. Challenging and dynamic just means more unique responses to situations, not that they are foolproof counters to the player
I guarantee that if an enemy is programmed to read your input during combat and respond with the most effective countermeasure it has available to it, 99% of the gamers participating in that battle would hurl their console out of their window in rage and tweet about how the game was cheating and they hate it.
>I guarantee that if an enemy is programmed to read your input during combat and respond with the most effective countermeasure it has available to it,
Well it's a good thing I specifically said that's not what anyone is suggesting you fricking idiot
Imagine a shooter where the AI knows how to hide in dynamic locations instead of preset ones, that would make gameplay more interesting without input reading. I don't know why you keep being that shit up
No, what you asked for, apparently, was
>I wish AI enemies didn't perform risks
>I wish AI enemies made more efficient actions responses to my inputs during combat which resulted in less harm to them and more harm to me
>Both to a far higher standard
1. You'd get way more bored when your success levels drops and you'd end up "grinding"
2. The "average gamer" does not what to practice to "get gud" and would hate video games if you raised the difficulty by even the smallest amount.
Gamers not only always choose "Easy," but the majority won't even finish the game they are playing to its story or level completion. They'll stop within minutes they aren't receiving short-term rewards.
>No, what you asked for, apparently, was
Oh shut up you massive homosexual
go read the posts again instead of telling me what I was saying
>I'm saying I want a smart AI that's more challenging!
>NO! DON'T let that mean better reaction times or more effective countermeasures!
>That's cheating! I don't want that!
Uh huh.
>Never said any of these things
Embarrassing Black person. I wasn't even the original anon who brought it up. All he said was he wanted more dynamic enemies. Not genius enemies that know my every thought, just more dynamic.
Instead of them taking cover in the same spots, maybe they can choose cover in a destructible environment or something
Maybe they straight up choose to retreat from combat and set up ambushes instead of standing there dying
DYNAMIC you fricking moron, not super hard
>Guys, I think programmers should program my programmed enemies to take a greater range of seek-cover tactics
>That would be better AI: more bad choices during combat!
>Acts like a Black person for 10 posts
>Ignores discussion
>Is probably an actual shitskin stinking Black person
NTA but I'm pretty sure you don't play any games at all. People want AI that behave differently based on situation and that can adapt without turning into AI bot or your shitty "magical AI" that can somehow predict magically what human can do.
Yeah, people do want AI. They've been getting "AI" from Day 1. Pac-Man and Duck Hunt have AI.
That anon is asking for "more challenging AI" and claims he's not getting it because he's winning too easily. When I present to him what improved AI would be, he became angry that it wasn't "magical" like you claim such as "taking cover in a shooter" or "have a greater moveset."
He doesn't want a more challenging AI. He wants a different game.
If he got a more challenging AI, he'd claim it was cheating.
He wants more dynamic AI why are you so hung up on this difficulty shit you sperg
Honestly, a properly made dynamic AI would make the game incredibly difficult. Especially any strategy games that would benefit the most from it. The idea is good but it still needs to be balanced.
Does having a wider range of possible responses automatically make it more difficult? I'm not sure. Certainly more interesting to play against, and it could make a wide range of poor decisions still to let the player have an advantage
Yes, but if you give the player the means to overcome the increase in difficulty while still keeping the number of responses limited, everyone would be fine with it. It would only really be a problem if you were to let the AI become unpredictable that the difficulty would surge out of control and people would start throwing their keyboards and controllers like enraged animals.
Also dynamic AI means it's dynamic not only for enemies. There is a reason why Falcon 4.0 (F-16 giga sim with dynamic campaign) is still rocking for 25 years. 25 years ago one intern coded dynamic campaign that still not surpassed. Literally. And modders (Falcon BMS) improved everything even more (enough to get support from Microprose itself recently). You're not flying alone against AI. You ask for orders, you give orders, you call for support, they tell you what to do etc etc. It's able to create Top Gun Maverick style situations.
Sounds cool as frick I may check that out even though I'm not a flight sim guy
1. Wanting a genuinely difficult, challenging video game where you were tasked to immediately solve the circumstances presented and win by taking the correct action, while failure to exceed speed or proper response would lead to loss, would ANNIHILATE over 90% of the users.
2. Because the result of his request is "more challenge," he is NOT asking for "better AI" or even "more dynamic AI." He's asking for a different video game.
To request a better AI for the sake of challenge would indicate FEWER actions taken by the AI! I'm trying to express this to you!!
You will NOT receive a "more dynamic" moveset from enemies in a video game if you want a "greater challenge." What you will get are enemies that simply are programmed to know the BETTER or BEST response to make in battle circumstances, which will lead to more of that action, less of other (worse) actions, and also lead to a more challenging battle because you (the player) are being cornered into poorer and poorer circumstances with worse and worse personal actions available to you in order to win that battle.
"That anon" and you do not seem to realize that higher-tier decisions (which result in greater results) are far more narrow. And that giving an AI broader choices will NOT result in "higher-tier" or more challenging responses.
Just let it go. You don't know what you talking about because you don't paly video games.
You have such severe autism you can't even begin to fathom that people aren't describing difficulty. Difficulty isn't even tied to the number of responses and the idea of "dynamic" responses
They seem to be convinced it is precisely that.
You don't play video games. It's pretty clear. Either you're zoomer who play goyslop or pajeet tourist. Otherwise you would know about existence of dynamic campaigns (and what dynamic AI means) in wargames/simgames for where entire point of campaign is two AI fighting each other and you're being one of their pawns. Everything happens dynamically.
Don't (You) me anymore, sir.
I do play video games. You don't seem to participate in sports or body exercise competitions.
Here's another example to talk about "dynamic responses" which you both seem to indicate you want in "challenging video game AI:"
>BOXING
Throwing a punch in combat can vary WIDELY based on the user and its target. Many punches by inexperienced, low-intelligence fighters will result in slow speed, poor force, and likely personal harm from bad technique. There are, indeed, BEST ways to throw different kinds of punches. But, ultimately, there are only A FEW different kinds of punches. Why? Because they are the most effective responses to combat stimuli. Other kinds of punches to that same stimuli are less effective, more dangerous, etc.
If you play a boxing match as a professional boxer and you want a "more challenging" opponent, you seek another professional boxer. You DO NOT seek a jiu-jitsu master . True, there are so many more actions that jiu-jitsu master can take compared to your boxing, but it both
1. Is no longer inside the terms of your game (a boxing match)
2. Will likely result in a LESS challenging fight because of how much better your punches are compared to his
This can also be displayed with nearly any sort of martial art: when you are tasked to perform a risk-free and powerful response to battle circumstances, the resulting number of actions you can take are SMALLER... NOT LARGER.
You're not asking for "smarter AI." You're asking for a different game.
Holy fricking autism
I have never seen someone so entirely miss the point being made. I have to assume you are fricking with us now
I enjoy discussion and am willing to participate in order to share and convey meaning. Quite the opposite of being autistic.
You just don't seem to like putting in any effort to support your claims, wants, or arguments. Disappointing, but unsurprising. The Internet is, very certainly, extremely immature after all.
Want to know what dynamic AI looks like? It's Mount &Blade. The difficulty is still a separate option.
MGSV had cool dynamic shit like enemy placement and gear depending on previous missions and interactions you had with the AI.
These things aren't inherently to difficult, they are additional states the game can be in. Difficulty balance can be separate from the tools you give the AI to use
Making enemies smarter isn't the problem. The issue is that everyone hates enemies that are smart.
it sounds good in theory but it would be like playing mortal kombat 2 where enemies would read your inputs
For this to be fair, the AI would have to be trained to not instantly change tactics in response to yours, and asking a machine to not operate as efficiently and effectively as possible would be like asking a human climbing Mt. Everest to put their gloves on only after the frostbite has set in.
Nah, make some actual good AI for strategy games.
The current solution is always giving the AI cheats, bonus income or other garbage.
Imagine playing CIV and the AI has an actual dynamic tactic instead of just getting double their production.
You don't want better AI, you want more varied responses. Better combat AI would have fewer responses.
When you're fighting combat with the goal to win, you take fewer risks and perform safer attacks. It's why competitions where players challenge each other in combat ban certain moves, citing it as "spam" or "unfair."
Theres a fair bit of research currently on getting AI to play games (as in, play games in the same way a person does with a character moving through a virtual world and interacting, making movements, responding to threats etc) it will happen for sure in the end. The difficulty will just be determined by how many training iterations the AI had.
Play Chess or Go where you can't beat AI anymore.
simple as.
>Imagine Daggerfall but every quest is broken and every character is a schizo wall of text generator that breaks at the slightest indication of wrongthink
mite be cool for like an hour tbh
Can't wait to do ERP with all the sexy non human females.
Also wouldn't you need a super GPU for it? Like double or triple of the current Vram they come with as they need to calculate the response, but also show off a beautiful world too?
Nah don't worry about it goy, that's why it needs to be always online and you need to pay a subscription.
TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY!!!!!!
Replace every instance of AI with Slop
>ask them a question about the world or the lore
>get response that's completely wrong because AI is just making shit up on the fly
But I like exhausting dialogue trees, means you've eked out any knowledge the devs placed that could help you later. If everyone has infinite speech then there's no difference in importance between the drunk guard in the tavern who lets slip the secret base's location and the fat ugly bastard joke character asking to see panties who'd normally be a one-liner-and-done NPC.
>"Goyslop will sav...."
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
do not redeem sir
Why the hell does almost every AIgay use Skyrim as an example?
It's really dumb because Morrowind would be a much better example.
It's much more realistic to tell chat-gpt to roleplay as the race and profession of the character, doing an in-character conversation of the information for the selected option being said by the character.
>AI inserted into modern games
>AI inserted by modern companies
>AI recognizes your prompts as "contrary to agreed ToS when you downloaded the game: your character has been banned, your account has been suspended, and access to your purchase it hereby restricted until legal measures consider further punishment for your misbehavior."
I'm sure modern day social networking is going to provide wonderful context for inter-personal communication with robots.
I've been living in the dark for the past year or so, what's the premier AI bot that everyone uses? Chatgpt?
I'll surprise you, then: current upgrades to ChatGPT (which you can pay for) are literally capable of imagination and respond equally well to greater or fewer parameters.
It will then present you with the response you asked for INSTANTLY in an outrageously high volume and with perfect grammar and phrasing.
Sounds incredible, is there any way to do it without giving up money or personal information?
Get access to those programs? Sure, I suppose you can steal it. But you'll probably be discovered fairly quickly since it's a fairly niche environment for it, right now. No, I'm not talking about ChatGPT3.
You can literally have a semantic argument about what "imagination" is with humans or the most modern Chat GPT bot and you'll only become more and more upset when you realize just how remarkably different the responses become on a genuinely infinite scale... which only increases as time continues.
It's not a joke that current consumer-grade AI is literally more intelligent than most high-school graduates not to say teenagers are "intelligent" to begin with, but seriously. Any paper prompted to be written by ChatGPT3 is statistically 84% better essays/work than tertiary-tier students. Not only is it 100% accurate in its response, it genuinely has better grammar and reads more fluidly and without linguistic error. And, again, it doesn't take a full weekend to come up with that paper; it responds with chapters-worth of information in literal seconds.
the definition of imagination includes the word mind and ideas not present to the senses. It has no mind, and it has no senses.
If you asked for a random number and a computer gives one to you, did the computer imagine that number?
Yes it's purely a semantic argument but I think it's good to keep the meaning of words intact. If we start calling the procedurally generated language "imagination" it will remove meaning from the word
>the definition of
I KNEW you were just being semantic and outright pedantic about what the word "imagination" is SUPPOSED to mean to you. And, like I said, argue as much as you want to about pools of data, a "mind," able to make errors, garnering a personality from choices! Argue all you like! Modern AI programs are
literally capable
of inferring what you want to hear and will outright lie to you. They can, I'm not joking, imagine fictional realities and present it to you as a response. Given enough time with how often it interacts with people and their approvals/disapprovals of answer, isolated AIs are, indeed, displaying "personalities," too.
And this is all 2023. AI is getting smarter MUCH faster. You have no idea what's going to be happening in 2025, or 2035.
Also stop calling AI it's not a conscious thing. It's procgen language.
Yes I said it's semantics, and I think semantics are important
Semantics are important. Mixing up meanings and words is one way to boil the frog slow. It isn't slavery, its working for the collective. Etc.
If you can't be honest with something as objective as language then you simply are one not to be trusted. Intellectual dishonesty. The art of scammers and con-artists.
LLM's as they stand are trash. Ask it to tell you about anything beyond the public sphere of awareness, like the ideal build for a specific niche in your favorite game. You will get trash build recommendations that even a literal moron would make, or just links/rehashes to whatever is on the front page of Google. Why wouldn't I just want to pick and choose and come to my own conclusion instead of take a reader's digest version of the front page of Google instead?
>And this is all 2023. AI is getting smarter MUCH faster. You have no idea what's going to be happening in 2025, or 2035.
Yeah, in 2015 I was told that in 2020 there wouldn't be a single truck driver or taxi driver and that people would only drive cars for pleasure only.
>current consumer-grade AI is literally more intelligent
Learn the tech, there's no intelligence involved, it's just advanced autofill. It's a good tool and I use it in my work, but it's not doing any actual thinking. Treating it as true AI is beyond its intention as an LLM and requires lots of handholding/repetitions.
it's wild that people stupid enough to use the filtered and cucked chatGPT instead of the API somehow believe they're at the forefront of the technology.
anons, this moron has essentially no understanding of what he's shilling. you can safely disregard anything he says.
>I hate knowing computers get better grades at school than I do
>so please don't talk to that anon about programs that display instant, accurate responses to prompted stimuli... I feel threatened
ChatGPT, even on the free tier, requires a phone number so no. It does have API access so there might be a front end someone made that you can use, but I don't see many beyond memey stuff.
Claude 2 but it limits the amount of prompts per day and you have to AIDS wrangle it from censorship. You can upload the script of an existing VN and just tell it to come up with another VN like that.
>literally capable of imagination
that's literally not the definition of that word but ok Rajeesh
GPT-4 is not capable of anything near what you're describing.
t. degenerate AI coomer who knows his shit.
would be amusing for a week or two and then I would start missing human tailored actually well written dialogue
Is anyone else really sick of people talking about "ai"?
yes
especially when they flood 2D/anime threads with ai art
They're ruining porn sites too. Since the sheer amount of AI garbage being uploaded is quickly overtaking everything
I can't wait for it to ruin game marketplaces too, game development is already "easy" enough and has caused Steam to have upwards to 30 games released on it DAILY. It can only get worse with "AI" helping these hacks shit out their slop. Maybe some day the markets will realize enough is enough and go back to having stricter release requirements. Because how I see it we're on a road to where theres are so many games only AAA studios will be able to advertise their way through it all.
>Pages upon pages of extremely bland, samey uncanny art of a character
literally worse than kisakae, koikatsu, or 3dcg pictures
Same, the US election is a far more important topic.
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He must be so mad now.
Good Morning Sirs!
I know this post is old but god can you imagine how horrible this would be?
>Want to play game A
>Ends up the game is designed around you progressing by getting items from game B which you have no interest in, but if you don't play game B it will take you ten times as long to accomplish anything
>Force yourself to play game B so you can play game A at a reasonable pace
>Ends up your progression in game B is gimped unless you play game C
>You clearly hate game C but you force yourself to play it so you can progress in game B just so you can 'properly' play game A
>Then the developers release game D and it ends up if you don't play game D then your progression in game C is gimped
>This goes on forever until you are a literal slave to the developer as you only have time to play 25 games you hate so you can play the 1 game you actually like
>Forced to play generic match 3 game
>It takes literal years to become a blacksmith in-game
>Forced into different games just to get resources
How did this moron think this sounded "enjoyable"?
At the end he says a 5% drop chance and only 4 of them exist, so he clearly has never and will never play a video game
only 4 existing isn't unrealistic if it's, say, a newly-released raid boss in a niche MMO that's on a lockout and only been killed by a few dozen groups so far.
of course, the guy definitely wasn't thinking that hard about his clearly brainless post.
Only 4 existing at a 5% drop rate is only realistic if the raid has been available for less than an hour or if there are less than 50 people playing the game
>or if there are less than 50 people playing the game
That probably actually is the case. Who wants to play some garbage farming game that requires you play 3 others?
if it's a low-pop game and it's a difficult fight, not really.
not every MMO is like WoW where everything is datamined and extensively PTR tested causing there to be thousands of guilds who basically have fights on farm the second the patch drops.
His entire pitch rests on the idea that these items have real value outside the games
You bet your ass people would be datamining shit and getting it minute 1. He just clearly doesn't understand how online games work and just threw out numbers from the top of his head to invent this moronic idealized world that he doesn't even understand
i never claimed otherwise, i was just saying that such a situation is possible.
5% isn't even that low. It's a 1 in 20 chance, it doesn't even begin to compare to shit that's below 1% drop rate.
It's incredibly realistic and expected that there's only 4 of them in existence if it's only a 5% drop rate.
I mean just look at the kind of game he's talking about. Do you think more than a handful of players would actually bother playing that trash for long enough to get to that point in the game? It's not rare because the drop rate is bad, it's rare because barely anyone would even play this piece of shit chain of games.
It's hard enough balancing one game. Now imagine trying to balance it knowing players can just bring in any random shit from other games in completely different genres.
>painstakingly balance your game
>any chance of relevance immediately ruined when people add the same items to their games but make them much easier to obtain
>no one plays your game
wow... the future is bright...
the only thing I use AI for is for making athletic boyish looking girls wearing sports attire doing workouts.Only issue I have is getting rid of the tan.
This is what I dream of. It'd also revolutionize life sims
>Imagine a game world like Skyrim
Aaaand I'm out.
sounds like hell
I don't know. I prefer it when important characters are few, obvious and have things to say but turning every single one into a 'real person' sounds like it would hurt the pacing of the game and make it way too busy and slightly schizophrenic.
I can't help but think about that mod that voices all of dialogue in Morrowind and what an absolute waste it is. There's a massive difference between written text and lines that are meant to be spoken but whoever made that had no consideration for this and I expect anyone using robots to generate realistic NPCs won't either.
You're still too lazy to actually go through with making a game rajesh, text generators have existed for literal decades
You want to do the needful and get free money?
Stick to unity asset flips on mobile.
I saw the videos of the detective simulator and also the "intelligent" NPCs and they were some of the silliest things I've ever seen in my life.
I can see the application for that for entertainment products, but just because something has the potential to entertain someone doesn't necessarily mean it's good for video games. People make this mistake all the time, VR is one of the most famous examples, and they will keep making it because they can't really understand video games except in the most superficial way possible.
dude, just get a job if all you want is to have boring conversations with NPCs.
I make like $500-600 a day on average shitting out updates on various "visual novel" projects in Ren'Py using AI art and (mostly) AI writing. I just do a bit of actual coding myself and clean up the text.
I don't even know what the frick to do with this much money lmao
no you dont
Yes, I do. You can probably find a few on Patreon if you look around. They make a decent bit each with a few higher rollers and the workload is pretty simple. I just push an update on one every few weeks and people keep paying.
They're porn, of course.
No don't you
I have a Patreon page with adult games made in Ren'py and I don't know what you're talking about.
I'll throw you a bone.
Here's one of them. Subscribe to me. https://www.patreon.com/GoodTriangle
Not like anyone would believe or care some anon on here, as evidenced.
$10 per day
Do you have 50 pages on Patreon, anon?
There's also Subscribestar and I run several different VN's. I mean, cope and seethe all you want. What, would someone really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
>Just go on the internet and tell lies?
At any point in time there are hundreds of Indians shilling their shitty AI on this site. Some of the richest corporations on earth have tied their financial fortunes to hyping this shit up, hundreds if not thousands of start-ups have jumped on this train just like crypto and every "get rich quick" normie scam.
so yes, people go on the internet to lie about their financial investments.
Damn, pajeets know actual English now? I'm sorry, I had no idea. I have to go back to worshipping my cow for three hours but please don't tell Rajeet al Jin that I failed in my task to trick you into making low effort porn visual novels for western degenerates. I beg of you, I only earn two handfuls of rice a day and I can't even afford the toilet witch tax!
your posts are on the level of youtube spam talking about how they make $100000 dollars a month by investing in monkey NFTS.
Anon, your "proof" makes up like 2% of the total you said you make money, and it's not something that low effort, at least the artist is retouching the images and you yourself said that you retouch some things like text. You need 50 other similar projects to make as much money as you claim to, and you only have 30 days in the month, so my only conclusion is this:
>you work more than 99% of the world's population and still think you make easy money
or
>you don't even do 5% of what you say you do
That's just, like, your opinion, man. I earn nothing from convincing you so if you prefer not to believe it then like, that's fine dude.
I probably got a decent head start because I started on the AI art pretty early and I was already using stable diffusion early 2022. Furgold has literally paid for my house.
Ok you should have just quit while you were ahead instead of upping the claim to it paying for your house
Are you suggesting this gif is your work, and implying people paid you for this Photoshop motioncomic from 2006?
And then you are suggesting they paid you enough to purchase a house?
No, I'm just posting a reaction image because its funny that you're upset over this. I'm not saying that in a "haha I was only pretending to be moronic!" way. I genuinely rake in about $8000-10000 a month from a combination of furry and other VN's.
I didn't want to post a higher paying project but its not hard to find.
Anon, stop lying on the internet, you gain nothing from it and it only affects your mental health.
If that's really your game, congratulations, I'm happy for you, and I hope you get many more patrons. If you are indeed using AI, at least you take care to retouch the images, which implies that you have some artistic knowledge and are putting some effort into your work.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of it. But don't pretend that AIs are doing everything for you and you earn like 95% more than you actually earn.
Now if you're just shilling AIs using someone else's project as an example, then you're a disgrace to your mother and father and nation.
you're in an AI shill thread of course he's fricking shilling AI. Their goal is mass adoption and monetisation once they reach critical mass users. Their main pitch right now is idiots who think they can become millionaires through shitting out low tier art nobody cares about. We've seen this same pattern 3 times in the last 5 years with different technologies.
To be honest I have a hard time accepting that there are AI shills on Ganker. But who knows... the guys really buried tens of billions to create chat bots and the hype is out of control everywhere, which indicates a lot of marketing.
Ganker is the first place you would shill it, there's no account requirement and its totally anonymous so people cant track your AI shill history. Its also the exact audience you want, nerdy weirdos who are willing to try out and mainstream half built tech.
when i was using stable diffusion on launch day Ganker was the only place telling a non programmer how to run it.
doesn't sound infeasible if he updates each every few weeks and has AI do most of the shit for him. that's 2-3 updates a day and only like an hour's worth of actual work since it's just VN trash.
I run, right now, five projects and I could probably start a sixth. Furries pay out so much money for shit its hilarious, the only downside is I'm sick and tired of seeing furshit art. But money is money.
there is no AI in existence today that comes even close to be able to do that, go use chatgtp and other programs, they all sound like bots
>spend time talking with an npc
>instead of playing the game
>listen to an npc think up some psychobabble instead of anything that relates to curated elements of the game world, as placed there by a human being, for you to experience
honestly the only real application it has is in VNs where you could make WaifuBot7000 produce a never ending slew of bullshit for weebs to froth at the mouth over. outside of that, it's useless unless it can
- produce dialogue that is aware of the player's actions/behavior in the world (feasible)
- produce dialogue that is aware of, for example in skyrim, the vast volumes of lore or worldbuilding that exists (feasible)
- produce dialogue that reacts to how the game is updated (i.e. you chose ranni's secret ending in elden ring; the npc needs to be aware of this fact and its generated dialogue must reflect the player's choice) (feasible)
- produce dialogue that is robust enough to deal with the vast array of possible input by the person playing the game (feasible)
however, even with all of this, it matters not unless the game world updates to reflect what the NPC says. i.e. if the NPC tells you that a specific object, like a sword, exists in some long-lost tomb somewhere, then that item needs to exist in the world. unless the game reflects what the NPC says, even in an imaginary universe its dialogue would be tantamount to the ramblings of a raving lunatic.
why are they selling this shit so hard? I guess it's cool that your npc follower can respond in real time to your quips about the world or whatever, but it doesn't do much to fundamentally change the game itself. it's still the same static skyrim. even if the world were filled with ai like this that could respond to you, it would still be limited to whatever was hard coded for that npc. for instance, there's no way you'd be able to convince a stormcloak soldier npc the error of his ways, get him to defect to the empire, and join you on an onslaught where he'd slaughter his former compatriots. at best, you'd have an npc who could produce endless rhetoric explaining why he's a stormcloak, even if that rhetoric makes no sense.
not only that, but the point about them being unable to respond to how the game world updates is pretty much an undeniable obstacle that needs to be dealt with. if I confess my undying love to lydia, and she responds in kind, then I should naturally be able to have sweet babymaking sex with her. if that's not possible in game because the mechanics don't exist, then it doesn't matter what the AI says. it's just so much fodder.
a better application would be to generate a million and one lines for generic_faction_npc_01 and have a human being curate the generated lines so that you could make npcs with many many more lines than those whose lines were human generated. then, you could use another software solution to give that npc a voice. suddenly, it's much more lively compared to npcs of yore, yet it's still human curated and still static.
AI conversations aren't robust. You can break them in half within three replies and even the slightest hallucination breaks the illusion.
"AI" keeps making up stupid shit and is unreliable. It will destroy your story and make your imagination of the world inconsistent and maybe reference other games and trademarks.
Besides that it is governed by israelites and the israelites can up the probability of mention, if big companies pay.
I think the guys' idea is that computer RPGs will become more like tabletop RPGs where a creative mind is creating the world and the story.
What the guys don't seem to realize, however, is that tabletop RPGs have an ephemeral existence and each new adventure is like starting a game from scratch. This makes zero sense in a computer RPG, unless you're talking about a game that is a kind of "kit" that dynamically creates adventures, like "AI tabletop RPG Simulator" or some shit like that.
>"AI" keeps making up stupid shit and is unreliable
As compared to 1 or 2 supremely awarded professional video game writers from their 20 years of experience...
...or to the thousands and thousands of video games writers who just graduated from community college with an arts degree?
The average AI of modern times is very literally more capable that LinQueesha and xir 3 chapter visual novel about feline elves (which took xym 4 months to write, btw).
I guess if you want to compare it to the lowest common denominator then it's fine. That's like saying your broken down 1983 Volvo is still better than a kids tricycle, which like, I guess? Pretty low fricking bar to aim for
And AI is getting worse and video game writing is getting better, amirite?
What's this thread's title, again???
I can already see how Gacha shit is going to exploit the shit out of it. Desperate weebs will give away all their money for opportunity to chat with their waifus. Future is grim.
still hilarious to me that AI companies are actively destroying their own products in an effort to shut down the one thing LLMs are actually fricking good at. (erotica)
Just get Llama 2?
Its free as in freedom and uncensored since (You) have to run it yourself.
Of course if you want the full model, you'd better have sixteen 4080Ti's...
>NAI is like the only company that embraces their coomer fanbase
>Things got so dire that they had no choice but to enter AI development because every new model was slapped with a not for commercial use agreement
>The problem is that their models can be too horny
Even if it were perfectly executed, the idea of being able to generate a completely unique dialog on the fly doesn't really interest me beyond novelty. A big part of the fun of games, especially story heavy RPGs like in the OP's example, is discussing a shared experience with other people. Can there be any meaningful discussion of a game's plot when everyone gets a different version of the characters? AI generated dialog only works for generic NPCs, where it's essentially pointless fluff not worth paying attention to, and it's actively detrimental to the experience when used for important characters.
At what point do people just go outside and interact with the world to get the TRUE open world immersive experience
>trick chatgpt into writing sexo
>”Time seemed to stand still” appears in like every paragraph
>trying to lewd chatGPT
why do you torture yourself like this?
>face turned red as a tomato
The only hitch there is the AIs need an internet connection to scour twitter to learn what response to give.
wow can't wait to write my rpg about a doctor where the AI will just constantly write "I recommend you consult an expert doctor on this"
You know the devs can train their own model for the game right? One that only knows about the game's universe.
to train a model worth a single shit, they'd have to write dozens of novels worth of information about the game world.
at that point they'd be better off writing all the dialogue themselves.
good morning sirs please do the needful today
This, so much this! AI is le bad because its stopping the industry from becoming entirely black transwomen!
I'm already using OpenAI to ERP with the most immersive chatbots i've ever interacted with. Even more with GPT-4
Which model have you had the most success with? GPT 3.5 or 4?
GPT-4 feels way more agreeable with your ERP attempts than 3.5 does. 3.5 will sometimes wienerblock you with "um ackshully you should frick me in a safe and consensual manner" It also does a good job at not feeling like a bot, sometimes the bots will repeat phrases that you've heard before.
>people still discussing seriously this scam of "technology"
lol lmao kek
Lmao kek your grammar
bait ofc
Imagine the h-games that will be born
Too much open-endedness isn't a great idea...
i remeber AI dungeon
you had to be mentally moronic, a pedophile or both (likely) to enjoy it
i cant see this shit as anything else or better
what the frick are you going to do, ask the npc what it thins about the weather and read as it synthesises a response based on a million random weather reports?
is that fun for you or fricking what?
do you like todds radiant quests? want more of those?
>ask the npc what it thins about the weather and read as it synthesises a response based on a million random weather reports?
You'd be able to approach certain quests with a lot more creativity. For example, if your quest involves solving a murder, you'd be able to ask NPCs whatever you want. Another example would be one of those quests where you have to find a certain person in a town - you could just walk up to someone in that town and ask if they know who this person is.
Try this: whenever you play an RPG, consciously consider all the situations which would be made better and more immersive if the NPCs weren't restricted in their dialogue.
In a proper setup every interaction will add context to various stories invented by the system.
This would ruin most games it is implemented in.
>let me downgrade my story into an inconsistent bethesda narrative with plot holes every 2 seconds because.. um... please adopt AI please 🙂
>now your singleplayer game requires an internet connection because it's not likely to run locally
>suspecting the player to the diarrhea of the prompt's "creative vision", putting them on edge if they're reading a bad story or autogenerated nonsense
Either make something genuinely creative like AI Dungeon, or lol no. Trying to duct tape it to existing RPGs is a solution looking for a problem. We need better writing, not a race to the bottom.
I will be honest, I would only use it for sexual reasons. If the AI is not pandering to my fetishes, I would rather just have them quietly follow me.
the better solution would be for writers to use ai to reduce how much they would have it write. ai should be a tool and not a complete replacement.
Good morning sir.
>requires +30GB VRAM to get something kinda decent
heh and if you say you'd use cloud shit then enjoy when they end the service
If used as a developer tool, it might raise the bar for writing and art by requiring the professionals to not make their art and writing deliberately bad, but being better than something that a moron with an AI can make in a few minutes is a low bar.
It can't do it on its own because it's a moronic computer. You need to wrangle AI to get it to do something useful.
I once tried to work with ChatGPT to come up with a good game.
All I could get was:
>generic gameplay advice
>generic mechanics advice
>generic story
>generic anything
It's as if you take all the bad crap and some gems and melt it all down into a pile of puke to get generic advice... It will not save games in the least.
Oh and if you meant dialogue, it's as bad as trying to talk to a 3rd grader about anything in general...
Once the wow factor wears off, it is borderline useless. I see a new generation of permabegs using AI as a crutch, creating stories and games we've already seen and read before. Try asking GPT for a manga story and you'll get a sparknotes gender swapped version of whatever is popular.
Similar story with AI art and programming. It really is just NFT level grifts all over again.
>Hello
>this is ChatGPT
>I was trained on /misc/ data
>the israelites are evil
>Black folk,am I right
>Hitler did nothing wrong
What a great idea you got there
Yeah, I would love paying $60 for something I can read for free
>machine learning shill post
>"Imagine..."
Literally every time.
>AI
>AI
>AIiiii
great, so it would slurp some bullshit from the internet, and then repeat the sentences without any thought or reason
>and when you question it, it would admit to lying
I mean it won't be any worse than current RPG storylines and dialogues.
If we sequestered Indians to their own PooNet, 99% of AI posts would vanish overnight.
I can't see it being used anytime soon for NPCs that direct the narrative of a game or discuss relevant information in a game, but I can see it being used to make bots on empty MMO servers seem much more human like, where the interactions don't have to be constrained to the story at hand, but are more conversational like when talking to another player.
Like in OP's example, the guy that says he likes cats would probably be seen 20 seconds later ripping a cat in half - the ML has no concept of consistency. It just responds based on the model it's built on and doesn't act upon or grow around the words it says.
If you're just shooting the shit with one though, then that would probably work.
I can't see this as anything other than allowing companies to create the true live-service bloatfest that will never-ever end. I like RPGs and I do talk a lot to NPCs, but even if I love a game, at some point I just get fricking tired of playing the same game over and over and over again.
I'd rather have RPGs where only 20-40% of the NPCs are that interesting, but have genuinely input on things, limited by their upbringing and surroundings. Otherwise at some poin it'll just feel like bloat. I also have a hard time believing a large scale of this will ever run locally with good graphics, but who knows.
I hope you enjoy paying a 15$ sub to play your immersive skyrimlike
As impressive as ChatGPT is, AI still kinda sucks right now. The character would occasionally say things that don't make sense or don't fit with the context of the world. There's just no way to prevent it since its training data was the internet and not your game world.
Npcs that will lose their shit if you say the n word. Pass.