And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.
Hitchwiener wasn't making cartoons. You've completely misinterpreted the point.
It's not Hitchwiener but he's right. This is why video games died creatively after the early 3D phase.
North by Northwest is about the only Hitchwiener movie I really like because of Cary Grant and his wiseass character.
Nazis bombed Birmingham extensively, and money was tight so it wasn't rebuilt as it was, but in a cheaper, more modern style. It's sad but it's not relevant to this thread.
I had known about the plane scene for years and out of context it seemed silly because of all the parodies but when I actually sat down and watched North by Northwest the scene legitimately felt tense. I was pretty shocked at how effective it was.
You're a moron. Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya, good or bad. UE5 is simply the current face of it. Forsaking style for realism is not a recent thing.
>say this >still make movies with people instead of cartoons
also, having hyperrealistic graphics doesnt nullify the fantasy content that can be coupled with it
OP is just a massive homosexual as usual
According to him this sucks
Frick that fat moron
And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.
what moronic opinion, if it looks like real life it literally = SOUL
style = SOULLESS
Cope npc consumers. Your products will never be art
I'm not a militant atheist who hates Christianity or anything, but people who start babbling about God in relation to things that aren't explicit ethical questions are cringe as frick. Isn't it a common argument that God gave us our minds, and that freedom of expression is a natural God-given right? Therefor, you could also say that our ability to put a stylized reality down on paper (as a dream to chase, in some cases) is God's will.
This is the central hubris of realism. To present to the passive viewer a perfect window onto a fully realized world exactly like you experience reality itself, the creator would have to be a god.
>say this >still make movies with people instead of cartoons
also, having hyperrealistic graphics doesnt nullify the fantasy content that can be coupled with it
OP is just a massive homosexual as usual
It's only really problem when it's not within the scope of the development or if they're farming out asset development to several other studios.
Even in a realistic artstyle you are not restricted by reality, you don't need to accurately render a landmark you've taken photos of and you don't need to take 3D scans of some high profile actor's face for your character. You have significant license to sculpt and remix things to match your tone and narrative.
Fedora
It's still a stylized, practically memetic interpretation of an angel instead of a biblically accurate angel anyway, no fedora needed so frick off.
its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.
There is a space for 2D games and 2D art.
Open world games are a marketing stunt and take a lot of shortcuts to present a tolerable exterior. Shit like objective markers and crafting systems are all ways to minimize development and testing time because you're taking a much more interdependent system and reducing it to something more loose and systemic.
if you look closely, you'll notice that the artist here kind of told reality to frick itself when it comes to background elements, like that urn or the wall(?) that she's sitting on.
hell, you can even look at the dress resting on her legs and see the brush strokes, that shit ain't realistic at all.
it's not a bad piece, since unlike Hitler the painter actually succeeds in conveying the feeling of seeing a lovely girl look your way, but to use it as an argument for MUH REALISM = QUALITY is moronic.
It is just boring to look at since it doesn’t contain anything that resembles a style or a unique touch. It is basically like any other christian painting. I have more respect for greco-roman wall paintings depicting Christian icons.
And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.
You think anyone will give a shit about who made some black and white films 1000 years from now? He'll probably be in the archives as "Albertus Buckman, the first man to make a talkie". None of this changes or challenges anything I wrote.
its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.
My advice is objective some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
You don't. Thats your fricking opinion you dunce shitposter.
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Anonymous
>some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
That doesn't make them good. People can like shit things.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again your opinion is subjective vs the objective truth that some people will like what you don't.
Keep repeating yourself till the cows come home it isn't going to change what you are saying amounts to stop liking what i dont like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In
its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.
, you implied open world games are objectively good by saying people who don't like them are morons, but now you're saying that's just an opinion. So, which one is it? Is it an objective fact or an opinion?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i didn't imply shit moron, I said I and others enjoy open world games. This is an objective fact.
You have no say in this you idiot.
You personally not liking them isn't objective truth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no, I didn't
Are you a moron who doesn't know the meaning of his own words or are you lying?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you are an idiot bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he didn't know what he was saying
My apologies for misgendering you, ma'am. I didn't know you were a woman.
Is perfect realism really perfect technique if it makes everything bland and ugly? From what I've seen, an artist is truly mature when all of his thought, practice, and experimentation have culminated in a distinct style that fans will recognize from a mile away (and by that, I don't mean some DA gay whining that his children's scribbles are his style, obviously).
Realism indirectly killed videogame music, obviously a game for modern normalgays won't be proper unless it has very subdued music that is at best of secondary importance or even non existant, looking at you REmake 2 and 99% of western games.
>bro objective beauty doesn't exist, lmao lets just deconstruct everything down to its base forms and functions, why do we even try lol, just make it all out of concrete LMAO
I always look at his comment and i rather see the problem with striving for realism in a medium that has infinite possibilities (same with vidya). If you have a literal canvas made out of imagination and the only thing you do is replicate it into another form of ultrarealism or elements you've already seen in nature, why use the medium as such? You could always just become a nature photographer or possibly a landscape artists. In terms of Hitchwieners statement here, he is likely alluding to his own craft, not the artworks among ALL craft, because there are plenty of artistic pursuits which chase the unicorn of realism, i just feel that films and vidya shouldn't exactly try to chase after realism, because there is much more to do with imagination.
Being commited to realism often comes at the cost of individuality and meaningful content of the artistic product
This statement always makes me think of the hundreds or thousands of people who can do super lifelike drawings of people and animals and shit, and while they are able to replicate real life really well, their art is also perfectly bland and meaningless. There is no purpose behind it besides making it look as lifelike as possible. And there is zero value to it beyond that sort of technical fidelity.
In vidya, people seem to think that imitation is good enough, and they can be wooed with the promise of great graphics, even if the art direction or the writing or the composition as a whole sucks. (fortunately, this graphics wankery seems to be dying down)
You CAN use stylistic realism as a tool, but you would still have to put it into a hand of someone who is capable of using imagination and fantasy and artistry to mold their product into something that's worthwhile and not a huge piece of shit.
If you're dedicated to realism, and don't get me wrong, it's impressive and skillful, a thousand people could look at the same thing and produce the exact same outcome.
Art is the opposite. You look at a table of fruit, and a myriad of different paintings will come out. That's the point. To convey that fallibility and the process *that* person had to go through.
You don't need a human for realism, and when there's no human, the art is lost.
Based. That is the main difference between art and craft. An artist creates his own style on how things could be in his imagination while a craftsman imitates and copies what already exists.
so many morons itt, you can have a hyper realistic world with dragons in it in a video game you CAN'T have that irl.
A realistic dragon will always be someones interpretation. You people are classic dunning krugers so fricking dim yet you think you are geniuses shifting opinion with your bad memes.
Based. Frick realism. Only unimaginative and untalented people resort to realism since they can’t really come up with their own drift. That is why modern games are trash.
Moron gorilla moron. Alfred is talking about how boring and mundane it would be watch life in 1:1 realism from waking up and taking a shit and driving to work.
that's true, also a game which lacks gameplay the rest of the ranking would still apply, such as Deadly Premonition or Ace Attorney. In any case graphics / muh pixels is always last
It's always bothered me how whoever took these screenshots went out of their way to make sure his mouth is closed in all of them. Also, the fact that that's Jean Renoir and not Alfred Hitchwiener.
No. I actually did, in fact. But only because we have had this thread every week for the past decade and it's always been misattributed in every one of them so it gets pointed out every time.
What's the beef with UE5, just ignorant zoomers talking like they know shit?
You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.
>You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.
Try to justify the creation of a product with no artistic integrity all you want. The product you’re painstakingly programming will never be a work of art.
Is he even talking about movies? What the frick is a "realism" movie? I assume he's talking about paintings, which isn't comparable to video games in the slightest. Games are good based on their gameplay, among other things. Never the art style. I have literally never heard of someone saying they like a game because of the art style, it's just so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
>When the technique is primitive, everything is beautiful
Nah, frick Bauhaus.
Rejection of realism doesn't mean Bauhaus.
his movies fricking sucked but people think they look smart by watching it so they praise him
watch vertigo RIGHT NOW without falling asleep
Damn, Alfred Hitchwiener didn't age well
Midwits
have a nice day homosexual, this is the world your philosophy has wrought
Faceblind autist
Nazis bombed Birmingham extensively, and money was tight so it wasn't rebuilt as it was, but in a cheaper, more modern style. It's sad but it's not relevant to this thread.
>Brits still exist
Nah, it was extensively lacking if at all
>fat
>black and white era
>bald
>egg shaped head
Very honest mistake if you ask me
midwit is such a midwit insult
Vertigo sucks but Rear Window, Dial M For Murder, Rope are great. He was amazing at making riveting theater-like films.
Strangers on a Train was fun too
I had known about the plane scene for years and out of context it seemed silly because of all the parodies but when I actually sat down and watched North by Northwest the scene legitimately felt tense. I was pretty shocked at how effective it was.
You're a moron. Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya, good or bad. UE5 is simply the current face of it. Forsaking style for realism is not a recent thing.
Cope npc consumers. Your products will never be art
Real life has a great art direction, I trust god and find beauty in his creation aswell
Cope
I'm not a militant atheist who hates Christianity or anything, but people who start babbling about God in relation to things that aren't explicit ethical questions are cringe as frick. Isn't it a common argument that God gave us our minds, and that freedom of expression is a natural God-given right? Therefor, you could also say that our ability to put a stylized reality down on paper (as a dream to chase, in some cases) is God's will.
Yes, I like both the artists creation AND real life realism
This is the central hubris of realism. To present to the passive viewer a perfect window onto a fully realized world exactly like you experience reality itself, the creator would have to be a god.
Art direction and realism aren't mutually exclusive
>the two landscape pics are actually pretty artful so he had to include tlou2 shit to make his point
embarrassing lmao
>the two landscape pics are pretty artful
T. Preordered sonic frontiers
>some grass is artful
homie go outside, i'm begging you
>TLOU2 had an infidelic sex scene
>no one complains about their roided c**t being objectified
>Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya
And now they have it, and games suck. That's what OP is saying.
>Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya
>say this
>still make movies with people instead of cartoons
also, having hyperrealistic graphics doesnt nullify the fantasy content that can be coupled with it
OP is just a massive homosexual as usual
According to him this sucks
Frick that fat moron
>realism
>floating angel child with wings right fricking there
Angel is real, reddit.
It's only really problem when it's not within the scope of the development or if they're farming out asset development to several other studios.
Even in a realistic artstyle you are not restricted by reality, you don't need to accurately render a landmark you've taken photos of and you don't need to take 3D scans of some high profile actor's face for your character. You have significant license to sculpt and remix things to match your tone and narrative.
It's still a stylized, practically memetic interpretation of an angel instead of a biblically accurate angel anyway, no fedora needed so frick off.
There is a space for 2D games and 2D art.
Open world games are a marketing stunt and take a lot of shortcuts to present a tolerable exterior. Shit like objective markers and crafting systems are all ways to minimize development and testing time because you're taking a much more interdependent system and reducing it to something more loose and systemic.
>"Le Biblically accurate" hurr Durr anime monster design
Yep, don't forget about your fedora before you go back
>"Le wingèd naked baby" hurr Durr pedo monster design
CIA has been dispatched to take you back
Fedora
Not an argument.
She ugly
if you look closely, you'll notice that the artist here kind of told reality to frick itself when it comes to background elements, like that urn or the wall(?) that she's sitting on.
hell, you can even look at the dress resting on her legs and see the brush strokes, that shit ain't realistic at all.
it's not a bad piece, since unlike Hitler the painter actually succeeds in conveying the feeling of seeing a lovely girl look your way, but to use it as an argument for MUH REALISM = QUALITY is moronic.
cute feet
That’s not a good comparison. A more accurate one would be those soulless hyper realistic paintings.
Just cause it's close to us and you can see each hair doesn't make it more realistic
>just because its more accurate to a real person doesn't make it more realistic
That is idealistic, not realistic.
Why is it always Memerou with you morons? Is it the only painter you know? And yes that painting sucks, technically perfect but fricking soulless.
He's kino you pleb
Is that angel nutting down her back???
It is just boring to look at since it doesn’t contain anything that resembles a style or a unique touch. It is basically like any other christian painting. I have more respect for greco-roman wall paintings depicting Christian icons.
Nah this is shit. Now this is the real deal because any npc can create a realistic painting like that. Even AI can do that these days.
>Even AI can do that these days.
What kind of argument is that. AI can replicate damn near every style it has been given examples of.
Yes that was the point, moron. AI can replicate things that already exist. It can’t come up with it’s own things.
That's a semi-romantic painting. The same artist behind that painting has made many realistic paintings but that painting is not one of them.
Top is realism, bottom is Baroque.
And he's right.
Painting by hand is primitive, dipshit. Being good with a primitive artform isn't the same as perfected technique.
And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.
but who are you anonymous person on the internet who is highly unlikely to be remembered by anyone a millennium after passing away
You think anyone will give a shit about who made some black and white films 1000 years from now? He'll probably be in the archives as "Albertus Buckman, the first man to make a talkie". None of this changes or challenges anything I wrote.
>midwit thinks it's hitchwiener
oh no no no
No, it doesn't, moron.
the real dead end is realism, not the rejection of it
what moronic opinion, if it looks like real life it literally = SOUL
style = SOULLESS
No
This isnt Hitchwiener.
>realismgays seething itt
>Hitchwiener
That's why Darkstalkers and Pocket Fighter are better than Street Fighter 6.
That's Jean Renoir you fricking idiot
Hitchwiener wasn't making cartoons. You've completely misinterpreted the point.
jej
why are ppl so upset about this idea?
They need their grafix
its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.
>implying open world games are good
thats your subjective opinion man. I happen to like an open world game once in awhile.
Stop confusing your subjectivity with objective truth.
>Stop confusing your subjectivity with objective truth.
Maybe you should listen to your own advice.
My advice is objective some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
You don't. Thats your fricking opinion you dunce shitposter.
>some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
That doesn't make them good. People can like shit things.
Again your opinion is subjective vs the objective truth that some people will like what you don't.
Keep repeating yourself till the cows come home it isn't going to change what you are saying amounts to stop liking what i dont like.
In
, you implied open world games are objectively good by saying people who don't like them are morons, but now you're saying that's just an opinion. So, which one is it? Is it an objective fact or an opinion?
i didn't imply shit moron, I said I and others enjoy open world games. This is an objective fact.
You have no say in this you idiot.
You personally not liking them isn't objective truth.
>no, I didn't
Are you a moron who doesn't know the meaning of his own words or are you lying?
you are an idiot bro
>he didn't know what he was saying
My apologies for misgendering you, ma'am. I didn't know you were a woman.
They are right, you are a tasteless subhuman.
>/vr/pol/nostalgua
You ever take a step back and just look at the shit you type?
invalid argument i cant kill zombies in the woods. OP mcfricking end it you ludite memetard frick
It's not Hitchwiener but he's right. This is why video games died creatively after the early 3D phase.
Is perfect realism really perfect technique if it makes everything bland and ugly? From what I've seen, an artist is truly mature when all of his thought, practice, and experimentation have culminated in a distinct style that fans will recognize from a mile away (and by that, I don't mean some DA gay whining that his children's scribbles are his style, obviously).
North by Northwest is about the only Hitchwiener movie I really like because of Cary Grant and his wiseass character.
Zoomers in shambles ITT
Realism indirectly killed videogame music, obviously a game for modern normalgays won't be proper unless it has very subdued music that is at best of secondary importance or even non existant, looking at you REmake 2 and 99% of western games.
>bro objective beauty doesn't exist, lmao lets just deconstruct everything down to its base forms and functions, why do we even try lol, just make it all out of concrete LMAO
he's right though, realism means the death of artstyle
tell me homosexual, which aspect of nature do buildings fricking imitate?
huh?
Black person
I always look at his comment and i rather see the problem with striving for realism in a medium that has infinite possibilities (same with vidya). If you have a literal canvas made out of imagination and the only thing you do is replicate it into another form of ultrarealism or elements you've already seen in nature, why use the medium as such? You could always just become a nature photographer or possibly a landscape artists. In terms of Hitchwieners statement here, he is likely alluding to his own craft, not the artworks among ALL craft, because there are plenty of artistic pursuits which chase the unicorn of realism, i just feel that films and vidya shouldn't exactly try to chase after realism, because there is much more to do with imagination.
Being commited to realism often comes at the cost of individuality and meaningful content of the artistic product
This statement always makes me think of the hundreds or thousands of people who can do super lifelike drawings of people and animals and shit, and while they are able to replicate real life really well, their art is also perfectly bland and meaningless. There is no purpose behind it besides making it look as lifelike as possible. And there is zero value to it beyond that sort of technical fidelity.
In vidya, people seem to think that imitation is good enough, and they can be wooed with the promise of great graphics, even if the art direction or the writing or the composition as a whole sucks. (fortunately, this graphics wankery seems to be dying down)
You CAN use stylistic realism as a tool, but you would still have to put it into a hand of someone who is capable of using imagination and fantasy and artistry to mold their product into something that's worthwhile and not a huge piece of shit.
I agree with this.
If you're dedicated to realism, and don't get me wrong, it's impressive and skillful, a thousand people could look at the same thing and produce the exact same outcome.
Art is the opposite. You look at a table of fruit, and a myriad of different paintings will come out. That's the point. To convey that fallibility and the process *that* person had to go through.
You don't need a human for realism, and when there's no human, the art is lost.
Based. That is the main difference between art and craft. An artist creates his own style on how things could be in his imagination while a craftsman imitates and copies what already exists.
The thing is, replicating reality is cheaper already than doing something stylistic. While it is much harder technically in traditional arts.
so many morons itt, you can have a hyper realistic world with dragons in it in a video game you CAN'T have that irl.
A realistic dragon will always be someones interpretation. You people are classic dunning krugers so fricking dim yet you think you are geniuses shifting opinion with your bad memes.
damn i didn't know I could go outside and fight dragons in the countryside of norway while learning arcane magic, thanks OP.
ITT: AI is literally the epitome of that picture.
stylised realism is always the best art style
Based. Frick realism. Only unimaginative and untalented people resort to realism since they can’t really come up with their own drift. That is why modern games are trash.
>realism is…le bad
what an original hot take
>Alfred is a believer in SOUL
beautiful
Moron gorilla moron. Alfred is talking about how boring and mundane it would be watch life in 1:1 realism from waking up and taking a shit and driving to work.
Nah, it's just his artgay opinion.
Who is the Hitchwiener of videogames?
Shigeru Miyamoto
gameplay > story > soundtrack / ambience > graphics
that's true, also a game which lacks gameplay the rest of the ranking would still apply, such as Deadly Premonition or Ace Attorney. In any case graphics / muh pixels is always last
Surprised nobody has posted the fountain with some schizo rambling yet
It's always bothered me how whoever took these screenshots went out of their way to make sure his mouth is closed in all of them. Also, the fact that that's Jean Renoir and not Alfred Hitchwiener.
You didn’t even know who the Jean Renoir was before coming to this thread.
No. I actually did, in fact. But only because we have had this thread every week for the past decade and it's always been misattributed in every one of them so it gets pointed out every time.
Watching Ganker discuss art has got to be the biggest source of secondhand embarrassment for me personally.
What's the beef with UE5, just ignorant zoomers talking like they know shit?
You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.
>You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.
Try to justify the creation of a product with no artistic integrity all you want. The product you’re painstakingly programming will never be a work of art.
This is the arguments people use to defend plot holes
How come? Are you one of those morons who think that if something is not explained then it's a plot hole?
And troony being psychos
The only realistic games are stuff like truck simulator and sports games, which everyone knows are shit. Call of Duty, Far Cry, etc. aren't realistic.
>thread gets to 100+ posts with nobody pointing out that the guy in OP's picture is clearly not alfred hitchwiener
Ganker knows almost as much about videogames as they do about film
Read the thread
Then whomst is he
According to him this is better than any porn? Lol
Do you know that he made movies and movies are 100% realism?
>movies is 100% realism
Yes anon Hollywood is like real life
You moronic or something? Realism = documentary to you?
I'll rape you
Is he even talking about movies? What the frick is a "realism" movie? I assume he's talking about paintings, which isn't comparable to video games in the slightest. Games are good based on their gameplay, among other things. Never the art style. I have literally never heard of someone saying they like a game because of the art style, it's just so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.