Alfred Hitchcock warned us about unreal engine 5 and modern game devs

Alfred Hitchwiener warned us about unreal engine 5 and modern game devs

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >When the technique is primitive, everything is beautiful
    Nah, frick Bauhaus.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rejection of realism doesn't mean Bauhaus.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    his movies fricking sucked but people think they look smart by watching it so they praise him
    watch vertigo RIGHT NOW without falling asleep

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This isnt Hitchwiener.

      >Hitchwiener

      That's Jean Renoir you fricking idiot

      Hitchwiener wasn't making cartoons. You've completely misinterpreted the point.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Damn, Alfred Hitchwiener didn't age well

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
      Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.

      Hitchwiener wasn't making cartoons. You've completely misinterpreted the point.

      It's not Hitchwiener but he's right. This is why video games died creatively after the early 3D phase.

      North by Northwest is about the only Hitchwiener movie I really like because of Cary Grant and his wiseass character.

      Midwits

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day homosexual, this is the world your philosophy has wrought

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Faceblind autist

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nazis bombed Birmingham extensively, and money was tight so it wasn't rebuilt as it was, but in a cheaper, more modern style. It's sad but it's not relevant to this thread.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Brits still exist
            Nah, it was extensively lacking if at all

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >fat
        >black and white era
        >bald
        >egg shaped head

        Very honest mistake if you ask me

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        midwit is such a midwit insult

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Vertigo sucks but Rear Window, Dial M For Murder, Rope are great. He was amazing at making riveting theater-like films.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Strangers on a Train was fun too

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I had known about the plane scene for years and out of context it seemed silly because of all the parodies but when I actually sat down and watched North by Northwest the scene legitimately felt tense. I was pretty shocked at how effective it was.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You're a moron. Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya, good or bad. UE5 is simply the current face of it. Forsaking style for realism is not a recent thing.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >say this
      >still make movies with people instead of cartoons
      also, having hyperrealistic graphics doesnt nullify the fantasy content that can be coupled with it
      OP is just a massive homosexual as usual

      According to him this sucks
      Frick that fat moron

      And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
      Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.

      what moronic opinion, if it looks like real life it literally = SOUL
      style = SOULLESS

      Cope npc consumers. Your products will never be art

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Real life has a great art direction, I trust god and find beauty in his creation aswell
        Cope

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not a militant atheist who hates Christianity or anything, but people who start babbling about God in relation to things that aren't explicit ethical questions are cringe as frick. Isn't it a common argument that God gave us our minds, and that freedom of expression is a natural God-given right? Therefor, you could also say that our ability to put a stylized reality down on paper (as a dream to chase, in some cases) is God's will.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I like both the artists creation AND real life realism

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This is the central hubris of realism. To present to the passive viewer a perfect window onto a fully realized world exactly like you experience reality itself, the creator would have to be a god.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Art direction and realism aren't mutually exclusive

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the two landscape pics are actually pretty artful so he had to include tlou2 shit to make his point
        embarrassing lmao

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >the two landscape pics are pretty artful
          T. Preordered sonic frontiers

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >some grass is artful

          homie go outside, i'm begging you

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >TLOU2 had an infidelic sex scene
        >no one complains about their roided c**t being objectified

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya

      And now they have it, and games suck. That's what OP is saying.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Developers have been in pursuit of realism since the dawn of vidya

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >say this
    >still make movies with people instead of cartoons
    also, having hyperrealistic graphics doesnt nullify the fantasy content that can be coupled with it
    OP is just a massive homosexual as usual

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    According to him this sucks
    Frick that fat moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >realism
      >floating angel child with wings right fricking there

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Angel is real, reddit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's only really problem when it's not within the scope of the development or if they're farming out asset development to several other studios.
          Even in a realistic artstyle you are not restricted by reality, you don't need to accurately render a landmark you've taken photos of and you don't need to take 3D scans of some high profile actor's face for your character. You have significant license to sculpt and remix things to match your tone and narrative.

          Fedora

          It's still a stylized, practically memetic interpretation of an angel instead of a biblically accurate angel anyway, no fedora needed so frick off.

          its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
          Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.

          There is a space for 2D games and 2D art.
          Open world games are a marketing stunt and take a lot of shortcuts to present a tolerable exterior. Shit like objective markers and crafting systems are all ways to minimize development and testing time because you're taking a much more interdependent system and reducing it to something more loose and systemic.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >"Le Biblically accurate" hurr Durr anime monster design
            Yep, don't forget about your fedora before you go back

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >"Le wingèd naked baby" hurr Durr pedo monster design
              CIA has been dispatched to take you back

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Fedora

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She ugly

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      if you look closely, you'll notice that the artist here kind of told reality to frick itself when it comes to background elements, like that urn or the wall(?) that she's sitting on.
      hell, you can even look at the dress resting on her legs and see the brush strokes, that shit ain't realistic at all.
      it's not a bad piece, since unlike Hitler the painter actually succeeds in conveying the feeling of seeing a lovely girl look your way, but to use it as an argument for MUH REALISM = QUALITY is moronic.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      cute feet

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not a good comparison. A more accurate one would be those soulless hyper realistic paintings.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Just cause it's close to us and you can see each hair doesn't make it more realistic

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >just because its more accurate to a real person doesn't make it more realistic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That is idealistic, not realistic.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it always Memerou with you morons? Is it the only painter you know? And yes that painting sucks, technically perfect but fricking soulless.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He's kino you pleb

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that angel nutting down her back???

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It is just boring to look at since it doesn’t contain anything that resembles a style or a unique touch. It is basically like any other christian painting. I have more respect for greco-roman wall paintings depicting Christian icons.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah this is shit. Now this is the real deal because any npc can create a realistic painting like that. Even AI can do that these days.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Even AI can do that these days.
        What kind of argument is that. AI can replicate damn near every style it has been given examples of.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes that was the point, moron. AI can replicate things that already exist. It can’t come up with it’s own things.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's a semi-romantic painting. The same artist behind that painting has made many realistic paintings but that painting is not one of them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Top is realism, bottom is Baroque.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And he's right.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Painting by hand is primitive, dipshit. Being good with a primitive artform isn't the same as perfected technique.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    And this train of thought leads you to the intellectual dead end that has been 50+ years of post-modernism, and the complete and utter reluctance to accept that objective Quality exists.
    Literal mid-wid trap that anyone over the age of 25 should not fall for. Hitchwiener referencing such ideas here is nothing short of a massive embarrassment for himself, and, considering his prominence within it, film as an art-form.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      but who are you anonymous person on the internet who is highly unlikely to be remembered by anyone a millennium after passing away

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You think anyone will give a shit about who made some black and white films 1000 years from now? He'll probably be in the archives as "Albertus Buckman, the first man to make a talkie". None of this changes or challenges anything I wrote.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >midwit thinks it's hitchwiener
      oh no no no

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, it doesn't, moron.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the real dead end is realism, not the rejection of it

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what moronic opinion, if it looks like real life it literally = SOUL
    style = SOULLESS

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This isnt Hitchwiener.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >realismgays seething itt

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Hitchwiener

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's why Darkstalkers and Pocket Fighter are better than Street Fighter 6.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's Jean Renoir you fricking idiot

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hitchwiener wasn't making cartoons. You've completely misinterpreted the point.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    jej

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why are ppl so upset about this idea?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They need their grafix

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
      Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >implying open world games are good

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          thats your subjective opinion man. I happen to like an open world game once in awhile.
          Stop confusing your subjectivity with objective truth.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Stop confusing your subjectivity with objective truth.
            Maybe you should listen to your own advice.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              My advice is objective some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
              You don't. Thats your fricking opinion you dunce shitposter.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >some people are going to like open worlds you mental midget.
                That doesn't make them good. People can like shit things.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Again your opinion is subjective vs the objective truth that some people will like what you don't.
                Keep repeating yourself till the cows come home it isn't going to change what you are saying amounts to stop liking what i dont like.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                In

                its just mentally moronic /vr/pol/nostalgua tard scum pushing this regressive old good new bad shit.
                Like some of them genuinely think 3d games are bad and open world games are bad. They are morons.

                , you implied open world games are objectively good by saying people who don't like them are morons, but now you're saying that's just an opinion. So, which one is it? Is it an objective fact or an opinion?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i didn't imply shit moron, I said I and others enjoy open world games. This is an objective fact.
                You have no say in this you idiot.
                You personally not liking them isn't objective truth.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >no, I didn't
                Are you a moron who doesn't know the meaning of his own words or are you lying?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you are an idiot bro

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >he didn't know what he was saying
                My apologies for misgendering you, ma'am. I didn't know you were a woman.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They are right, you are a tasteless subhuman.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >/vr/pol/nostalgua
        You ever take a step back and just look at the shit you type?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    invalid argument i cant kill zombies in the woods. OP mcfricking end it you ludite memetard frick

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's not Hitchwiener but he's right. This is why video games died creatively after the early 3D phase.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is perfect realism really perfect technique if it makes everything bland and ugly? From what I've seen, an artist is truly mature when all of his thought, practice, and experimentation have culminated in a distinct style that fans will recognize from a mile away (and by that, I don't mean some DA gay whining that his children's scribbles are his style, obviously).

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    North by Northwest is about the only Hitchwiener movie I really like because of Cary Grant and his wiseass character.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomers in shambles ITT

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Realism indirectly killed videogame music, obviously a game for modern normalgays won't be proper unless it has very subdued music that is at best of secondary importance or even non existant, looking at you REmake 2 and 99% of western games.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >bro objective beauty doesn't exist, lmao lets just deconstruct everything down to its base forms and functions, why do we even try lol, just make it all out of concrete LMAO

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      he's right though, realism means the death of artstyle

      have a nice day homosexual, this is the world your philosophy has wrought

      tell me homosexual, which aspect of nature do buildings fricking imitate?
      huh?
      Black person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I always look at his comment and i rather see the problem with striving for realism in a medium that has infinite possibilities (same with vidya). If you have a literal canvas made out of imagination and the only thing you do is replicate it into another form of ultrarealism or elements you've already seen in nature, why use the medium as such? You could always just become a nature photographer or possibly a landscape artists. In terms of Hitchwieners statement here, he is likely alluding to his own craft, not the artworks among ALL craft, because there are plenty of artistic pursuits which chase the unicorn of realism, i just feel that films and vidya shouldn't exactly try to chase after realism, because there is much more to do with imagination.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Being commited to realism often comes at the cost of individuality and meaningful content of the artistic product

        This statement always makes me think of the hundreds or thousands of people who can do super lifelike drawings of people and animals and shit, and while they are able to replicate real life really well, their art is also perfectly bland and meaningless. There is no purpose behind it besides making it look as lifelike as possible. And there is zero value to it beyond that sort of technical fidelity.

        In vidya, people seem to think that imitation is good enough, and they can be wooed with the promise of great graphics, even if the art direction or the writing or the composition as a whole sucks. (fortunately, this graphics wankery seems to be dying down)

        You CAN use stylistic realism as a tool, but you would still have to put it into a hand of someone who is capable of using imagination and fantasy and artistry to mold their product into something that's worthwhile and not a huge piece of shit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I agree with this.

          If you're dedicated to realism, and don't get me wrong, it's impressive and skillful, a thousand people could look at the same thing and produce the exact same outcome.

          Art is the opposite. You look at a table of fruit, and a myriad of different paintings will come out. That's the point. To convey that fallibility and the process *that* person had to go through.

          You don't need a human for realism, and when there's no human, the art is lost.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Based. That is the main difference between art and craft. An artist creates his own style on how things could be in his imagination while a craftsman imitates and copies what already exists.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is, replicating reality is cheaper already than doing something stylistic. While it is much harder technically in traditional arts.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    so many morons itt, you can have a hyper realistic world with dragons in it in a video game you CAN'T have that irl.
    A realistic dragon will always be someones interpretation. You people are classic dunning krugers so fricking dim yet you think you are geniuses shifting opinion with your bad memes.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    damn i didn't know I could go outside and fight dragons in the countryside of norway while learning arcane magic, thanks OP.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: AI is literally the epitome of that picture.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    stylised realism is always the best art style

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Based. Frick realism. Only unimaginative and untalented people resort to realism since they can’t really come up with their own drift. That is why modern games are trash.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >realism is…le bad
    what an original hot take

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Alfred is a believer in SOUL
    beautiful

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Moron gorilla moron. Alfred is talking about how boring and mundane it would be watch life in 1:1 realism from waking up and taking a shit and driving to work.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, it's just his artgay opinion.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Who is the Hitchwiener of videogames?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shigeru Miyamoto

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    gameplay > story > soundtrack / ambience > graphics

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      that's true, also a game which lacks gameplay the rest of the ranking would still apply, such as Deadly Premonition or Ace Attorney. In any case graphics / muh pixels is always last

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised nobody has posted the fountain with some schizo rambling yet

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's always bothered me how whoever took these screenshots went out of their way to make sure his mouth is closed in all of them. Also, the fact that that's Jean Renoir and not Alfred Hitchwiener.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You didn’t even know who the Jean Renoir was before coming to this thread.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No. I actually did, in fact. But only because we have had this thread every week for the past decade and it's always been misattributed in every one of them so it gets pointed out every time.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Watching Ganker discuss art has got to be the biggest source of secondhand embarrassment for me personally.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's the beef with UE5, just ignorant zoomers talking like they know shit?
    You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >You can not speak of gamedev without 1 year of programming job experience motherfricker, you do not know how to code in a team, you do not know the true power of version control, you are ignorant towards architectures, you are basically a baby trying to take down God, go frick yourself.

      Try to justify the creation of a product with no artistic integrity all you want. The product you’re painstakingly programming will never be a work of art.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is the arguments people use to defend plot holes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How come? Are you one of those morons who think that if something is not explained then it's a plot hole?

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    And troony being psychos

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The only realistic games are stuff like truck simulator and sports games, which everyone knows are shit. Call of Duty, Far Cry, etc. aren't realistic.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >thread gets to 100+ posts with nobody pointing out that the guy in OP's picture is clearly not alfred hitchwiener

    Ganker knows almost as much about videogames as they do about film

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Read the thread

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Then whomst is he

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    According to him this is better than any porn? Lol

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Do you know that he made movies and movies are 100% realism?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >movies is 100% realism
      Yes anon Hollywood is like real life

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You moronic or something? Realism = documentary to you?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'll rape you

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is he even talking about movies? What the frick is a "realism" movie? I assume he's talking about paintings, which isn't comparable to video games in the slightest. Games are good based on their gameplay, among other things. Never the art style. I have literally never heard of someone saying they like a game because of the art style, it's just so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

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