Hello anon.
Before the situation with EA, American Mcgee had the Alice madness return game design document published. Both physically and online.
However, the book was removed from sales and the files were seemingly deleted from the patreon.
Does any of you have a copy of them? I can't find any, Thanks in advance.
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damn it I forgot there was no self-bump on Ganker
It’s timed
You can only self bump every ten minutes
Interested about it too.
no one?
this is an extremely niche thing to be posted on this board. best of luck.
I know. I tried to search everywhere but with no prevails. Ganker can have good things from time to time so I told myself why not. There’s still people here who love games.
They technically own the game so I assume they don’t want McGee to get money off of it as the physical version was paid on his website + EA literally said they want to keep the IP while having no plan to make more games with it, they are this low.
Why the FRICK didn't he just do a wizard of oz game? Dorothy is just begging for a grin dark gothic design. He had the perfect setup after Madness returns with his chink company and did nothing else with them
He tired a kickstarter for one, it failed
He tried for awhile before calling it quits to do stuffed animals full time
Definitely. My kind of thing but I don't have this one.
OP, perhaps try Archive.org
Nothing there too it seem. Is it lost media?
Maybe there's an Alice fan site that may have it?
bumping for interest, i didn't know about this until now
madness returns was a really fun game
i love the statues of topless women with mantis heads
Good luck. I swear I've seen pages from it posted before.
The Alice Asylum game design document is still available for now. So I assume it's EA themselves who asked for this one to be removed...
why would they do that
You mean this one? It's from February, around the same time the game got shitcanned
https://gofile.io/d/mMf679
Nah, this one is for Alice Asylum. I'm talking about the Alice Madness Return game design doc.
There was a physical version on Mcgee website that was now removed https://videogamejunk.com/catalog/a/game/american-mcgee-alice-madness-returns/game-design-document-book
and a digital document, which now links to dead MEGA links https://www.patreon.com/posts/free-madness-27688196 which was published back in 2019
Is it on internet archives?
I've checked and nope.
I assume they would focus more on the artbooks no? the game design book is more the conception stuff and ideas, from a pure game design perspective with just also some concept art as bonus
>I've checked and nope.
I know this is forbidden on Ganker, but maybe someone on one of the Reddit subreddits might know?
I might try this too. The important part is really getting the stuff. If I do i'll do another post here anyway
>American McGee
Did he ever find his sister
Sadly no
no, and he has already came to terms that she's dead, even if there's technically no evidence that she is
Well shit 🙁
>Father was an abuser who abused and abandoned him
>Mother abandoned him to live with a transexual, leaving the house empty beside his game console
>Was kicked out of Id Software because people disliked him for being different, called being kicked out "a nightmare but also freedom"
>Worked on numerous canceled project over the years
>never managed to get Alice back from EA, Alice which was more or less his lifelong project
>completely left the video game industry after wasting 6 years for nothing with Alice Asylum
This man life is pure suffering.
This is just horrible...
>net worth $14 million
Even with his money, it won't bring back what he lost.
he spent most of that in trying to get alice 3 funded, and moving in china
Jeez, I had no idea. That man has had a hard life.
That's why you keep your dream idea until you get rich, use you second best one to sell out with like Tobey Fox did with Undertale to furries.
Poor guy, the worst part is that he'll never get closure on his sister, that alone would break me, not knowing if she was dead on some dump or being used as a sex slave
His sister wasn't exactly a paragon of virtue. Given their background, this should not be entirely surprising. It's awful, but predictable.
God
Bumping OP, I would love to see this as well
Tim Willits actually gaslit McGee into making worse and worse Quake levels so he'd get fired. Tim would later lie quite insanely about inventing deathmatch
>gaslit
No such thing you leftist
if only twitter didn't force you through its shitty subscription system, then maybe we could ask him about this
did Id just mentally block out Marathon
i don't know why thats so common in america.
I got to know an American girl one that was really great then i discovered she was bring raised by some obese troony native american because her parents abandoned her
yet he is still one of the most talked about and respected game devs ever with a huge following
Because hes a great guy.
>McGee had a number of stepfathers when growing up until his mother finally settled into a relationship with a trans woman. When McGee was sixteen, he came home from school and found his house empty and abandoned; the only things left were his bed, his books, his clothes and his Commodore 64 computer. His mother had sold the house to pay for two plane tickets and the fee for her girlfriend's gender confirmation surgery, leaving him on his own. He packed up his computer, dropped out of high school and took a variety of odd jobs, finally settling on a Volkswagen repair shop.
Games for this feeling
Despite literally having his life upended by a trans woman he still openly supports trans rights, very mature man, very soft spoken, hes a cool person and he has a stuffed animal company now :). I like him alot
You can't fault someone else for a woman choosing to be a selfish b***h, she made that choice on her own.
You will never be a woman
This might be a stretch, but maybe ask /ic/? They have oldgays there who will rip books on request.
Did you check e-hentai?
Yes, nothing.
E-Hentai is more for japanese stuff.
You're thinking of sadpanda, e-hentai is fricking Lustomic and AI central.
Well, i'm going to sleep now. If anyone else is interested, please bump this thread
bump
if all else fails, might have to make another thread.
I love goth girls
game is only sale for only $2 on xbox live right now if anyone cares.
We could have had Alice : Asylum but frick EA. I don't want to hear about it anymore.
Have any of you actually read the books?
This game’s later half was slow and boring as frick
I've got this that some anon dumped a few months back in another Alice thread, don't know what to use to open it though (I don't mean the rar)
https://files.catbox.moe/t35plt.gz
use 7zip
no winrar works fine with it, it's just uncompress to an xml file, not sure if it's meant for some ebook reader or something
>xml file
have tried reading the metadata ? you'll probably get an idea of what it is.
Had a look around in the xml file but that's not really something i know much about.
https://gofile.io/d/PgIaVa
re-uploaded with original filename as catbox renamed the file, in case anyone wants to look around for the file / info on it, I got it from an Alice thread on Ganker a while back but when I went to search through the archive I either got very few hits or when I did a broad Alice search one spammy homosexual spamming his stupid list shit for pages on end.
I know of this, I didnt have access to patreon so couldnt get it in time.
Good luck anon.
While we are on topic, I wish there was a site where you could download leaked game design documents of Vidya games
I think there was a site but all I cn remember is cutting room floor and alike that have dumped BTS shit
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Try /vr/.
Do you know when it was posted on Patreon?
You might be able to find it on Kemono https://kemono.party/patreon/user/340386
I believe I found the post and its the same defunct mega links that you mentioned.
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/340386/post/27688196
Unlucky
use archive.org
did he ever mention Return to Oz as an inspiration?
I think he wanted to make an Oz game for years but it never was made. He wanted to make it after Alice Asylum
I remember there being an archive link on his blog with a bunch of stuff, maybe I'm misremembering, could have just been otherlands related stuff.
reminder the first game was the best. The sequel just had nice graphics
The first game was too hard and janky for me and I play all the hardest games, was I just not patient enough, or stubborn for trying to play on hard?
stubborn for playing on hard? i don't recall it being hard.
I remember playing the second game and being absolutely filtered by the underwater zone.
Then i returned something like 10 years later and finished it easily
I've searched around and looked at different archives etc. but can't find shit. As others have mentioned, I think your best bet is to ask the facebook group or subreddit. Surely someone must have a copy saved that they'd be willing to share. Or take a shot in the dark and ask McGee directly on twitter.
Good luck anon
Mcgee DM are restricted to verified people. And I believe he also said once he doesn't want to talk about Alice anymore. at least for now. (which is understandable considering what happened)
(until he gets an Alice movie deal)
Wasn't a TV series supposedly teased already?
not sure but he had a Wizard of Oz game that was going to be like a tv series before he quit
Was there ever a digital version of the design document in the first place? I thought it was just being sold as a physical autographed copy
Of the document itself, probably not, but what was on his patreon likely had a lot of the stuff that was in it.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/free-madness-27688196
https://vk com/@alice__madness__returns-free-madness-returns-design-materials
don't have the design document but i do have the concept art book
Such a great artbook. I'm glad that one's easy to find at least.
Man I really wish I owned the art book. I remember staring at it in Book Depository and thinking "Meh, it's on exhentai, I shouldn't waste money.".
hes still selling a chinese version
Oh shit really? On his website?
yeah
God dammit
hmm what country are you in? it's only 159 on my screen
I'm in heh, not 'this' time mister FBI man.
almost got you
Hah you really almost did! Next time alright Paul?
Frick EA
Sending you a bump OP. Hope it gets posted by morning, sounds like a very interesting read and piece of vidya history.
Cool thread hope ya find it
Bumo
be honest how many flavors of gayotry would he have shilled for if he managed to make his dream?
??? The script of the game is full available online.
bumpity bumpity bump, hope someone actually posts the document
he's carrying alices torch
>he sells homosexual plushies
You will make fun of him, i respect his shrewd business sense
>damn he had a horrible hand dealt
>it's amazing he came out of it somewhat normal
>in a pirate phase and sells disability pride plushies for $50
>has a minor attracted persons plushie
oh
>has a minor attracted persons plushie
Does the FBI show up to deliver it to your house?
>has a minor attracted persons plushie
fake, i checked his website and there are no MAP plushies there. so you're full of shit
riddle me this if he doesn't have the Alice ip. How does he sell Alice merch?
Is this just some american legal loop hole. I see this a lot.
dude lives in china.
company is in CA
am i the only straight guy that likes American's Alice?
>games and books section on his store
>no games
ouch
>be a big fan of the og game
>og game gets no attention
>its not even sold anymore
Its as if one of the best games ever doesn't exist.
Imagine having the interesting and tragic lifestory this guy has and your magnum opus is a fricking generic dark and twisted reimagining of alice in wonderland.
that just adds to your fascinating life
>generic
I dunno the original one was pretty metal, i can't recall a body horror dark fantasy version of Alice before it.
>that just adds to your dascinating life
No it doesn't, dark and twisted reimagining of alice in wonderland is entry level shit. It's the first step down the "edgy reimagining of a childhood classic" rabbithole because its so obvious.
can you post an earlier example?
i read a fantasy book author's life story at the front of the book. The guy had been a prison guard, worked on Starcraft and other popular games and strange jobs before becoming an author.
its entry level shit now because Mcgee pioneered it.
I hope American will find his little sister is still alive someday.
i'm really baffled why EA killed this series
Because an anti-gamergater kidnapped his sister and the whole industry abandoned him for even talking about it.
https://www.geek-pride.co.uk/american-mcgees-sister-missing-possibly-related-to-gamergate-threats/
The same reason EA sits on a lot of I.Ps they are considered Assets for company value rather then products, something to point at and say "Yes look at our catalogue" but never put any money in to developing further. To be more specific with Alice, EA didn't like McGee's version or vision for the I.P and him taking lead again. Most likely they want to sit on it for some shitty reboot that has all the "Modern Sensibilities and Appeal", I personally thought they might of gone with Asylum because of how well the show Wednesday but they most likely have their own plans in play. I know that EA are licensing the I.P out for a TV show not sure with who or who's going to be the show runner but most likely it will be complete shit, but if that is the case then it's no wonder they tanked the I.P in its current form, they already had plans to remake it in to some sort of new franchise
they have missed so many opportunities to profit from this ip.
I was looking forward to an open world Alice game
It's EA they are thinking 10 20 years ahead on "Theoretical" money like the turds they are, They think they can turn it in to something that produces a lot more money with TV shows and then games that go from that show that "obviously" in their eyes going to be a smash hit because kids love this edgy stuff, right?!
more like 10 to 20 years in the past.
Yea, EA is the equivalent of Internet explorer when it comes to thinking ahead, They have these grand idea's that take so long to come to fruition the trend they where chasing has long been dead and is considered cringe. It's written in to their business strategy at this point I think.
Any game that isn't a GAAS by now for EA is fricking DEAD. Remember fricking Bioware? They stopped making single player games for Anthem and whatever Dragon Age GAAS rework gonna be.
I'm still mad about Anthem Next's cancellation. It just needed some systemic reworks and it would still be alive and well today. Frick EA.
I don't think they could have saved it because their main issue is EA forcing everyone to use Frostbite instead of Unreal. Look at Mass Effect. Trilogy was on Unreal and did fine. Then they switched to Frostbite for Andromeda and shitstorm because nobody knows how to use it besides DICE.
oh yeah frick gaaa
gaas*
If you can't contact McGee yourself, can you find somebody who can?
Also can others post what Alice content and artbooks and game design docs, if you guys have any?
Anyone can make an Alice in Wonderland game. It's public domain. Anyone can even make her a schizo in a mental hospital. The IP is useless without American McGee doing his thing.
>Anyone can even make her a schizo in a mental hospital. The IP is useless without American McGee doing his thing.
That's kinda what EA are counting on I think, That while it's not considered a massive hit, it's got enough renown banked it's considered the only version that people will be bothered to pay any attention to, and they own it, people could go make their own but run the risk of no one giving a shit because it's not McGee's Alice
hope we find this, i really want to read this doc i had no idea it was on patreon and is lost now
>>
Where is the rest?
I don't think there's anything else. Those are just the few pages you could read through in the online preview
Black person what are you doing?
It says 'Confidential'!
I want to have sex with Alice, that is all.