>allegedly a science fiction setting
>characters use melee weapons instead of guns
>weapons are plasma or something to justify it
... Gettin' real tired of this shit.
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>allegedly a science fiction setting. >characters use melee weapons instead of guns
swords are cool, end of
There's nothing cool about inherently obsolete metal sticks. You are not 12 anymore, stop pretending this nonsense is acceptable.
Star Wars is perhaps the absolute worst example possible, given it resorts to "lolspacemagic" to justify jerking off to old samurai movies.
I'm sorry you were chemically castrated at birth, anon
>immediately resorting to "ur gay"
I accept your concession. You are certainly 12 years old mentally.
And the phrases "Frick you." and "That's a b***h cop out." spring to mine.
I'm not saying you're gay, I'm saying you're completely sexless and devoid of anything resembling that might which denote you as a man
I already accepted your concession. You've made it clear that you have no real argument.
So-called "soft" science fiction is inherently a cop out. If you can't be bothered to put some actual SCIENCE into your SCIENCE fiction, then you're just being a dishonest anti-intellectual c**t.
If you want to look like a mature intelligentsia, you're already failing at the starting line by playing video games. Sci-fi as a genre is jangling keys in your face with pretty lights.
It's not a cop out if you never pretended to be hard sci-fi in the first place
your issue is that you're getting a big head about it. it's just good fun, stop pretending you're above this "nonsense" or just accept that not everything is made for your extremely particular and refined tastes
>MUH FUN
Devs calling you a moron to your face is "fun" is it?
Yes.
You want an argument? Fine.
You want realism? That is great, go consume hard sci-fi that tries to be realistic.
But what you are doing here is saying "why this that I don't like, isn't more like what I like? Is it because it enjoys being moronic?" but it's you my friend, who is the moronic one, by demanding what you don't like, to not exist or be more of what you like.
Any work that "enjoys being moronic" has no artists value whatsoever.
>outer space
>fantasy
These are inherently incompatible.
>inb4 some moron thinks its clever by bringing up Spelljammer
No. Frick off.
>These are inherently incompatible.
why?
Because outer space is both functionally and thematically the realm of science fiction. It's the literal physically reality we live in, and there's nothing remotely fantastical about it.
>the literal physical reality
>talking about literal fiction
there ain't no law that says a wizard can't go to space
Space doesn't work in the Honkai universe like it does in physical reality.
Then Honkai is garbage. Simple as.
Teleportation is prostituteshit that literally cannot work in real life for a variety of reasons. Energy requirements larger than physically possible, calculation times several times the age of the universe itself, continuity of consciousness, etc. Any work featuring it has no right to call itself sci-fi in the first fricking place.
>why can't wizards go to space?
Because magic isn't real. Space is.
>he thinks space is real
Real talk anon, have you been diagnosed with autism? You may want to talk to someone if not.
You might want to stop contributing to the inevitable downfall o civilization via anti-intellectualism. If even fricking entertainment can't be the slightest bit smart or scientifically accurate, then I guess we're all just gonna sit here and fricking die because everyone is literally too stupid to fix the world's problems. Frick you.
>selective answers
Translation: "Just say that I'm right! WAAAAAH!". Pathetic.
>science fiction near-universally relies on faster-than-light travel, a strict impossibility
>scientifically accurate
The world doesn't have any problems, humanity does.
>If even fricking entertainment can't be the slightest bit smart or scientifically accurate
There are actually a lot of scientifically accurate parts of the Honkai universe, to the point that the players got upset at the writing in a certain chapter because it read like a lecture on quantum mechanics. But the very concept of the IP is built around the structure of the universe being different than reality. If you can't handle that, then you'll just have to go play something else.
you're assuming OP actually plays Honkai and isn't just using it as an excuse to go on his usual tirade against science fiction and fantasy being incompatible
>But the very concept of the IP is built around the structure of the universe being different than reality.
Then again, Honkai is shit. Simple. As.
>all fiction is shit
it's a Chinese gacha game, of course it's shit
All fiction that disrespects the laws of physics is shit.
>The understanding of physics has been evolving for thousands of years
Which is not an excuse to make assumptions based on hypothetical discoveries that have not been made yet. IF FTL travel ever becomes a real thing (it won't), then you can put that shit in your story. Until then, piss off and stop teaching people to believe in moronic fairy tale crap.
So you want every sci-fi setting to be the same? Because that's what you're asking for.
They didn't have to make her top too tight but they did, the madlads.
Here's hoping my coin flip goes well, I'm skipping 1.5 anyways.
Same, almost got a pity locked in so just need to win the coin toss.
I dropped Honkai, but could someone give me the QRD on her?
She works for the space israelites, who saved her planet as a fiscal investment, along with basically making every person there a slave to their company. They keep good on their word, making the planet livable again. She goes around collecting debt, hoping to help other planets the same way the space israelites helped her. This planet saving stuff only has a 60% success rate, with Topaz's personal projects swinging up to 80%.
Honestly, the rest of the IPC reps being male, on top of being antagonistic towards the Balobog people, makes Topaz a case of the "Females Are More Innocent" trope. How the rest of the IPC would be like remains to be seen.
*Belobog
She generally has a heart of gold, but it's set up by her character. She's not a space israelite because she likes money, she's one because her freedom was sold to them. She just happens to be goddamn incredible at it.
She works for the space IRS, but is also nice. And her breasts and ass are amazing.
You save a planet from completely freezing over due to a space god being an butthole. After you save the planet she shows up and says at the start of the planet freezing over her company "tried" to help a little and the company is owned money for it plus 700 years of interest. The amount is so great basically everyone on the planet will now have to become a wageslave to the company
But then you beat up a bunch of her employees, she grows a heart and just wipes the debt clean and says they'll work it out a different way. Then she opens up a pokemon tournament. Seriously
Yes and humans 200 years ago believed flight was impossible. Your understanding of sci-fi is pretty fricking shallow, the genre classically is about "what we cannot achieve now but could be achieved in the future" read your Issac Asimov or Ray Kurzweil you fricking pleb and look up when those stories were penned in the context of the time period of what scientifically was achievable.
>"The laws of physics will suddenly bend over backwards to accommodate my moronic chuuni fantasies!"
You're an idiot. I'm arguing with literal children right now. That's the only explanation.
>FTL
>science fiction
Feel free to start having a point.
>the only science fiction I accept are Forever War and uhhhhh
except you probably hate Forever War too because aliens don't exist
The understanding of physics has been evolving for thousands of years, you're making the claim that physics as it currently is interpreted is the final say when there's 1000s of years of precedent indicating this to not be the case. You are the child here. Einstein died still trying to answer questions he didn't decide "ahhh yeah that's good enough I think I got it all" one day and hang it up lmao.
>Because magic isn't real. Space is.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is perceived as magic by those who have not grasped the technology behind it.
Anyone who perceives "sufficiently advanced" technology as magic is a blithering moron.
>Except the millions of possible reasons that you disregard because you personally dislike melee combat.
??? I never said I dislike melee combat.
>You refuse to accept any made-up future science that doesn't support the exact conclusions you want.
Because it's made up science which also shouldn't be in the fricking game.
>I'm not a bad person
Yes you are.
>??? I never said I dislike melee combat.
You've expressed a dislike for all settings that aren't at least modern, and a belief that melee combat doesn't belong in modern or futuristic settings. Therefore, you dislike melee combat.
>Because it's made up science which also shouldn't be in the fricking game.
How in the name of frick do you expect to have science fiction with only real science? If the science actually works, why aren't we doing it yet?
>Yes you are.
You can scream it all you like, it would take literal magic to make any one human responsible for the entire human race.
>You've expressed a dislike for all settings that aren't at least modern, and a belief that melee combat doesn't belong in modern or futuristic settings. Therefore, you dislike melee combat.
No, that's a stupid conclusion to make, especially since it's wrong.
>How in the name of frick do you expect to have science fiction with only real science?
Given the abysmal lack of creativity people lack these days, that is indeed apparently far too much to ask. Wow.
>You can scream it all you like, it would take literal magic to make any one human responsible for the entire human race.
You are a human yourself, are you not? And you live on Earth, yes? WELP.
>No, that's a stupid conclusion to make,
If you don't like any context in which melee combat occurs, how can you like melee combat?
>Given the abysmal lack of creativity
How the frick does CREATIVITY play into it? Either the science is real, in which case it would already be used in real life, or it's not. Are you expecting science fiction authors to invent things that work in real life?
>You are a human yourself, are you not? And you live on Earth, yes?
NEITHER of these places responsibility for any other human on me. I am an individual. You understand the concept of an individual, yes?
>If you don't like any context in which melee combat occurs, how can you like melee combat?
... Cause it's cool? Doesn't mean it makes any sense though.
>How the frick does CREATIVITY play into it? Either the science is real, in which case it would already be used in real life, or it's not. Are you expecting science fiction authors to invent things that work in real life?
People lack the creativity to make a compelling story that actually pays proper respect to real life physics.
>I am an individual.
Yeah, you're an individual human being who lives on Earth. That makes it partially your fault when whatever apocalyptic scenario is bound to wipe us out starts. You, in fact, could have tried to do something about it, but you made up some pissant excuse for your inaction. "Oh, but I'm just one person. What could I possibly do?". Pathetic.
>... Cause it's cool? Doesn't mean it makes any sense though.
And since "making sense" in a realistic framework has less than zero value in fiction- even fiction meant to educate- then it being cool is justification enough for melee combat to exist wherever a creator wishes.
>People lack the creativity to make a compelling story that actually pays proper respect to real life physics.
If it pays proper respect to real-life physics, then it's not science fiction at all. It's just modern. There is no way to leverage our current understanding of physics that we "just don't want to"- if there were any "realistic" way to have humans in space en masse in the first place, then WE WOULD BE DOING THAT.
>That makes it partially your fault when whatever apocalyptic scenario is bound to wipe us out starts
If I didn't directly cause it, then I accept no fault. If you blame yourself for everything every other human does, then please by all means ACTUALLY STOP SOMETHING BAD. And by "something bad", I mean shit like MURDER, not people "wasting time".
>being cool is justification enough for melee combat to exist wherever a creator wishes.
No it's not. Again, frick suspension of disbelief. Nobody should ever tolerate the devs basically calling them a moron to their face.
>If it pays proper respect to real-life physics, then it's not science fiction at all. It's just modern. There is no way to leverage our current understanding of physics that we "just don't want to"- if there were any "realistic" way to have humans in space en masse in the first place, then WE WOULD BE DOING THAT.
Okay, then just make something modern. I'll take mundane over insulting.
>If I didn't directly cause it, then I accept no fault.
Then you're a fricking coward.
>Nobody should ever tolerate the devs basically calling them a moron to their face
And "suspension of disbelief" is not equivalent to the dev calling you a moron, least of all to your face. They're not "pulling one over on you"- nobody thinks it's realistic in the first place. Nobody is fooled, and nobody is trying to fool anyone.
>I'll take mundane over insulting
Your belief that anything not entirely grounded in reality is insulting is not an indication of intelligence. It's mental illness, at best.
>you're a coward for not doing something that has no benefit and solely makes you worse off
Okay, dipshit.
>And "suspension of disbelief" is not equivalent to the dev calling you a moron, least of all to your face.
Yes it is. If you are presenting a scenario in which impossible things occur, you are insulting the audience's intelligence because you're expecting them to just accept it without question. And to that I say go frick yourself.
>They're not "pulling one over on you"- nobody thinks it's realistic in the first place. Nobody is fooled, and nobody is trying to fool anyone.
Indeed, it's more that they're jingling keys in your face to get you waste your money on shiny crap.
>>you're a coward for not doing something that has no benefit and solely makes you worse off
Yes. I guess it's typical that you're unfamiliar with the concept of selflessness. You're only human after all.
>If you are presenting a scenario in which impossible things occur, you are insulting the audience's intelligence because you're expecting them to just accept it without question
On the contrary. By assuming that audiences cannot adopt any logic other than "this is what would happen in real life" without fully abandoning logic, YOU are the one insulting audiences' intelligence.
There is a big difference between "there is no logic, anything can happen" and "the logic is not exactly equivalent to reality".
>they're jingling keys in your face
Wrong.
>you're unfamiliar with the concept of selflessness
I am selfless toward people that I like. Accepting responsibility for every other human in existence is masochism without purpose. Simple as.
>By assuming that audiences cannot adopt any logic other than "this is what would happen in real life" without fully abandoning logic, YOU are the one insulting audiences' intelligence.
Any audience that engages with an author's anti-intellectual bullshit deserves to be insulted, which I am more than happy to do. Frick these blithering morons who just want to clap like the mentally deficient circus seal they are.
>There is a big difference between "there is no logic, anything can happen" and "the logic is not exactly equivalent to reality".
No there isn't. Both are unacceptable.
>Accepting responsibility for every other human in existence is masochism without purpose.
No, it's moral cowardice.
>hypothetical scenarios are anti-intellectual
Congratulations, you're now entirely anti-fiction. Why are you even trying to argue?
>No there isn't.
If I tell you a story that takes place in a world where people speak backwards, that is otherwise identical to our world, that world has a consistent logic that is not equal to our own logic. If you cannot understand such a simple premise, that's a proof of YOUR OWN inability to comprehend hypotheticals.
>No, it's moral cowardice.
Nope, definitely masochism. I'll accept responsibility for, and display selflessness towards, people who I like. Doing it towards everyone, even people I cannot hope to affect within my lifetime, is just stupidity.
>Congratulations, you're now entirely anti-fiction.
Hypothetical scenarios within the realm of actual physics are perfectly acceptable.
>If I tell you a story that takes place in a world where people speak backwards, that is otherwise identical to our world, that world has a consistent logic that is not equal to our own logic.
No, that world isn't real, and therefore doesn't make sense. It's not that I'm incapable of misunderstanding the premise, I simply reject it because it's fricking stupid.
>Doing it towards everyone, even people I cannot hope to affect within my lifetime, is just stupidity.
You are a coward, and the fact people like you are the vast, vast majority, is why we are all doomed.
>Hypothetical scenarios within the realm of actual physics are
Pointless, for the most part, unless they expressly forego probability to allow something to occur at a scale or frequency not traditionally possible. Which places them firmly outside actual physics.
>It's not that I'm incapable of misunderstanding the premise, I simply reject it because it's fricking stupid.
The only real basis for calling it stupid in such a blanket, dismissive manner is if you misunderstand it. Simple as that.
>You are a coward because you don't want to try and take care of people who actively cannot be helped!
We can play this game all day. It's cute that you pretend to be so idealist while also thinking all of humanity sucks, but it doesn't get you anywhere.
>Pointless, for the most part, unless they expressly forego probability to allow something to occur at a scale or frequency not traditionally possible. Which places them firmly outside actual physics.
Then said hypothetical scenario is a pointless waste of time, since it could never actually happen.
>The only real basis for calling it stupid in such a blanket, dismissive manner is if you misunderstand it. Simple as that.
See the above. Your asinine backwards talk world has no value, since that's not a real thing and thus has no relevance to anyone.
>We can play this game all day. It's cute that you pretend to be so idealist while also thinking all of humanity sucks, but it doesn't get you anywhere.
Who the frick said I was an idealist? You really like making shit up about people.
>Then said hypothetical scenario is a pointless waste of time, since it could never actually happen.
Hypotheticals that can never actually happen are useful for exploring scientific ideas, since anything that happens on one scale should happen on any scale.
But of course, something doesn't need practical use to be enjoyable, and enjoyment is enough justification for something as effortless as modeling hypotheticals.
>Your asinine backwards talk world has no value, since that's not a real thing and thus has no relevance to anyone
Stories have value through entertainment.
>Who the frick said I was an idealist?
If you believe you can save all of humanity, then you're an idealist.
If you don't believe you can save all of humanity, then stop trying to.
>Hypotheticals that can never actually happen are useful for exploring scientific ideas
Making shit up whole cloth is not scientific in any way shape or form. The frick drugs are you on?
>Stories have value through entertainment.
No they don't. Not unless they have some manner of substance.
>If you believe you can save all of humanity, then you're an idealist.
>If you don't believe you can save all of humanity, then stop trying to.
I don't believe in either of those scenarios, but whatever.
>Making shit up whole cloth is not scientific in any way shape or form.
Creating a hypothetical scenario to explore the ramifications of known scientific fact is in fact the basis of science.
>No they don't. Not unless they have some manner of substance.
Entertainment is value.
>I don't believe in either of those scenarios
Then I'm not responsible for all of humanity.
>Creating a hypothetical scenario to explore the ramifications of known scientific fact is in fact the basis of science.
No it fricking isn't. Discovering objective fact based on systematic observation and experimentation is the basis of science.
>Entertainment is value.
No it isn't.
>Then I'm not responsible for all of humanity.
And that assertion makes you a coward who is partially at fault for our inevitable downfall.
Nah. Lovecraft -shit- indeed.
>Discovering objective fact based on systematic observation and experimentation
... Experimentation which you know to do because you formulated HYPOTHESES.
>No it isn't.
Yes the frick it is, moron. Entertainment is necessary.
>And that assertion makes you a coward
Acknowledging objective truth is not cowardly.
>... Experimentation which you know to do because you formulated HYPOTHESES.
Making shit up and trying to force physics to conform to your asinine assumption is not science.
>Entertainment is necessary.
In what bullwieneramamie prostituteshit candyland is entertainment "necessary"? A civilization doesn't need mass media to function. What it needs if people to get off their fat asses and do something productive with their lives.
>Acknowledging objective truth is not cowardly.
You say, as you vehemently insist that humanity's continued existence isn't your problem.
>Making shit up and trying to force physics to conform to your asinine assumption
The only reason anyone ever did an experiment was because they engaged in a hypothetical scenario in their head and realized they either didn't know what would happen (and wanted to know) or had a strong idea of what would happen (and wanted to confirm).
>In what bullwieneramamie prostituteshit candyland is entertainment "necessary"? A civilization doesn't need mass media to function.
Bullshit. Horseshit. wieneramamie. Spell your insults right.
Entertainment =/= mass media.
Also, no civilization has ever functioned without leisure.
>You say, as you vehemently insist that humanity's continued existence isn't your problem.
... Because it ISN'T my problem. Objectively. If they can't all be saved, then I should not extend my care to all of them.
>The only reason anyone ever did an experiment was because they engaged in a hypothetical scenario in their head and realized they either didn't know what would happen (and wanted to know) or had a strong idea of what would happen (and wanted to confirm).
No, what happened is that people got idiotic fantasies stuck in their brains and manipulated the results to fit the closest they could get to that fantasy.
>no civilization has ever functioned without leisure.
Sparta.
>... Because it ISN'T my problem. Objectively. If they can't all be saved, then I should not extend my care to all of them.
That just makes you a bad person with zero empathy.
>what happened is that people got idiotic fantasies stuck in their brains and manipulated the results to fit the closest they could get to that fantasy
Congratulations, you invented a completely fake idea of what science actually is.
"Hypothesis" and "hypothetical" derive from the same root for a reason.
>Sparta.
Spartans had their own musical tradition. The richer among them engaged in feasting. Even the warriors chose to frame some of their training as games rather than as solely utilitarian work.
Humans do not function without downtime. A human who only ever does the bare minimum to take care of themself and otherwise focuses solely on "productivity" is inflicting horrible mental trauma upon themself and will be unable to do anything productive within the decade.
The very earliest humans, even starving ones, did things with no purpose other than "it feels good" at times. If entertainment were not a FUNDAMENTAL need, it would not have emerged independently in all human populations.
>That just makes you a bad person with zero empathy.
To pretend that someone must extend their empathy towards all of humanity because they have empathy in the first place is a trick used by the evil to try and get their foot in the door.
>Sparta.
Sparta had plenty of leisure anon, they didn't train literally all the time
also Sparta is ridiculously overrated, they never really were that important in the grand scheme of things
Humanity has done its very best to invent ways to entertain themselves since we attained sentience, since they figured out dancing around a bonfire and scribbling shit on stone walls was fun. This speaks to a fundamental need, and you say it isn't necessary?
>fundamental need
More like fundamental laziness and entitlement.
>"Hypothesis" and "hypothetical" derive from the same root for a reason.
Said root word being 'delusion'.
>Humans do not function without downtime.
Scrub shit.
>To pretend that someone must extend their empathy towards all of humanity because they have empathy in the first place is a trick used by the evil to try and get their foot in the door.
The obvious solution is to recognize the evil ans shoot it in the face.
>Sparta had plenty of leisure anon, they didn't train literally all the time
And that's why they lost. Again, scrub shit.
>And that's why they lost. Again, scrub shit.
They lost because they let 99% of their lands fall in the hands of a ridiculously low number (like couple dozen at best) of ultra-rich women and turned 90% of their population into slaves
they had zero ability to make progress of any kind so the world moved on beyond their 15 minutes of fame
and in the end, Sparta, when conquered by the Romans, became nothing but leisure: they turned it into an amusement park
>Said root word being 'delusion'.
No, the root word is actually "foundation". "Hypothetical" means "pertaining to a hypothesis".
>Scrub shit.
Nope, objective truth about the human mind and body is that we need rest and relaxation.
>The obvious solution is to recognize the evil ans shoot it in the face.
I am recognizing the evil and speaking to it now. Good people don't try to convince me to expend energy on those who are already beyond saving.
>No, the root word is actually "foundation". "Hypothetical" means "pertaining to a hypothesis".
Entomology lectures don't change the fact scientists have been doing it wrong this whole time.
>Nope, objective truth about the human mind and body is that we need rest and relaxation.
Only if you're a weak little b***h.
>"It's evil to give a shit about other people."
...
>scientists have been doing it wrong this whole time
No, they objectively have not. Your beef with hypotheticals does not constitute an actual argument against their use.
>Only if you're a weak little b***h.
Then every human, including you, is a weak little b***h, and always will be, without any option to become "stronger".
>If you care about even one other person you have to care about everyone!
Selfish, weak little b***h wants me to care about it so bad it's trying to play the sympathy card.
>No, they objectively have not. Your beef with hypotheticals does not constitute an actual argument against their use.
You cannot just make shit up and manipulate the results to suit your liking. That simply is not science.
>Then every human, including you, is a weak little b***h, and always will be, without any option to become "stronger".
You won't see me argue this point.
>Selfish, weak little b***h wants me to care about it so bad it's trying to play the sympathy card.
I don't care if you care about me. I just want you to admit to being a sociopath.
>"The majority of humans are weak for needing to tend to their ontic evils"
Yes.
>strawman
It's not a strawman if that's literally what the fricker said.
>You cannot just make shit up and manipulate the results to suit your liking.
And that's not what the use of hypotheticals in science is. It's your misunderstanding of it.
>You won't see me argue this point.
If no human can even hope to reach beyond being "a weak little b***h" then why the frick do you begrudge when people act like it?
>I don't care if you care about me. I just want you to admit to being a sociopath.
Looking at the textbook fricking definition, I can see I'm not one.
>And that's not what the use of hypotheticals in science is.
In practice, that's absolutely what it is.
>If no human can even hope to reach beyond being "a weak little b***h" then why the frick do you begrudge when people act like it?
Because being shit by default doesn't magically mean you aren't shit. You don't get to make excuses for your shit nature.
>Looking at the textbook fricking definition, I can see I'm not one.
Again, you're human, are you not? Welp.
>In practice, that's absolutely what it is.
You are in denial of reality because it goes against your personal preferences. How can you claim to champion science (and don't deny you do, you want all fiction to obey actual scientific principals despite how badly that would damage entertainment values) when you don't actually understand how it works?
>Because being shit by default
You yourself said it's not just "by default" but "the only possible state". If there's no such thing as a human who doesn't engage in leisure, then avoiding leisure is impossible and a waste of effort.
>Again, you're human, are you not?
I am not obligated to care for every human, only for the ones who are reasonable for my means. No sane human would let the death of some random orphan in Africa weigh on their conscience on any personal level. Even the preachiest ones only care in a general sense, and that's not any sort of moral failing, it's just healthy.
>You are in denial of reality because it goes against your personal preferences.
Calling out "scientists" for being lying c**ts paid off by corpos is not being in denial.
>You yourself said it's not just "by default" but "the only possible state". If there's no such thing as a human who doesn't engage in leisure, then avoiding leisure is impossible and a waste of effort.
Just because you can't stop being shit doesn't mean you can't give it the ol' college try. You'll fail, but you're still a b***h for just being okay with being shit.
>I am not obligated to care for every human
Yes you are. There's nothing "healthy" about being a moralistic coward.
Maybe if video games weren't all going out of their way to piss me off with their anti-intellectual bullshit, I'd play them. But here we are.
>Calling out "scientists" for being lying c**ts paid off by corpos
ALL science, not just corpo science, is based on hypotheses.
>Just because you can't stop being shit doesn't mean you can't give it the ol' college try
The fact that it's the only possible state of humanity means it should not be considered shit.
>Yes you are.
No, I'm not. Stop screaming.
>ALL science, not just corpo science, is based on hypotheses.
All science is based on the highest bidder.
>The fact that it's the only possible state of humanity means it should not be considered shit.
Humans are what would happen if sea slugs attained sapience. Being intelligent doesn't stop them from being sea slugs.
>No, I'm not.
Yes, you are.
>All science is based on the highest bidder.
Then the machine you're typing this on doesn't actually exist, clearly.
News flash: If it can be proven to have worked, there's something to it.
>Being intelligent doesn't stop them from being sea slugs.
And being sea slugs absolves them of any supposed "failure to live up to their potential".
>Yes, you are.
Present actual proof that humans are morally obligated to care for EVERY other human and not just SOME other humans.
>News flash: If it can be proven to have worked, there's something to it.
Not if the populace was brainwashed into believing something false.
>And being sea slugs absolves them of any supposed "failure to live up to their potential".
No it doesn't. Lacking potential doesn't mean you're excused from being garbage. Say you meet some clumsy idiot on the street, and this person fricking sucks no matter how hard they try to be better. You're still going to mock them because they fricking suck, right? Of course you are. Fricks sake.
>Present actual proof that humans are morally obligated to care for EVERY other human and not just SOME other humans.
The emotion we refer to as 'empathy' exists.
Frick no. It's still a "sci-fi" game with melee weapons after all.
>Not if the populace was brainwashed into believing something false.
Is the device you're using to post on Ganker a mass hallucination? Once again, no. The science behind computers works, and it was based on hypotheses.
>You're still going to mock them because they fricking suck, right? Of course you are.
Literally no. If they prove they are as good as they can get, then it would be meanspirited to mock them.
>The emotion we refer to as 'empathy'
Is something that is not given freely.
>Is the device you're using to post on Ganker a mass hallucination? Once again, no. The science behind computers works, and it was based on hypotheses.
Sure thing, pal.
>Literally no. If they prove they are as good as they can get, then it would be meanspirited to mock them.
Remember what I said about humans being weak little b***hes? It applies to this shit too. Scrubs deserve to be mocked.
>Is something that is not given freely.
Yes it is, because it's an inherent part of our nature.
>Sure thing, pal.
Do you... not believe in COMPUTERS? YOU'RE USING ONE, RIGHT FRICKING NOW.
>people who are doing their best deserve to be mocked, warlords in africa deserve empathy
Your idea of morality is so pants on head moronic I don't even have to argue to disprove it.
You are unironically a basket case.
And yet you are the dumbest motherfricker on this site.
>Only if you're a weak little b***h.
"The majority of humans are weak for needing to tend to their ontic evils"
>...
strawman
Go live a 100% productive life then and see if you can do it. No leisure, downtime or whatever else weak little b***hes need. That includes no Ganker for starters.
What do you actually like?
>Then said hypothetical scenario is a pointless waste of time, since it could never actually happen.
I hope you say "you will never be a woman" to every trannoid you see.
I sure hope you make a good example by personally devoting yourself to preventing the number of apocalyptic scenarios that could wipe us out.
Wait- now I remember you.
You're the 'mecha will never be realistic' shithead.
Well- frick you; and frick the horse you rode in on.
[..]
No wait- please *get* fricked by the horse you rode in on.
>space is real
not every space is real you doofus. this is what happens if kids don't pay attention in class
In many fantasy settings with magic teleportation is a thing so why can't wizards go to space?
>nothing remotely fantastic about space
Antimatter and blackholes and gravity related time dilation seems like fantasy writers wet dreams but are all semi confirmed realities of our universe tho.
>It's the literal physically reality we live in, and there's nothing remotely fantastical about it.
As opposed to "the literal physically reality we live in" we call Earth?
space is fake homosexual
You never played Doom?
Don't dodge, don't be moronic. You are trying to convince others that certain type of fiction should not exists because it's stupid when it's actually just not your cup of tea.
Your reading comprehension is also lacking. I was projecting your words, not saying that a given work is indeed moronic, besides the fact that you have no argument or basis of any kind or solid fundament and not even the right, to stablish that self aware dumb works can't have any kind of artistic value.
But it's besides the point. You are someone acting like a moron trying to point that a subset of fiction is inherently moronic. If you can't admit that makes you moronic in itself, you are beyond hope and help as it would indicate that the task is beyond the reach of your brain.
Self awareness is an active admittance that your work is worthless garbage. Acknowledging that something is stupid doesn't make it less stupid, it just makes you an butthole for selling trash to people.
And no, this isn't a matter of personal taste. It's called SCIENCE fiction. You can try and counter with "it's science FICTION", but that's not an excuse. Don't piss on someone's head and tell them it's raining, cause any sane person will rightly punch you in the face.
Yes there is. It's known as the Bad Writing Principle.
>wizards can bend the fundamental rules of reality
>but they can't go to space because uhhhhhhhhhh
sounds like bad writing to me
You are fricking coward, giving selective answers. Everything you say is now rejected because you are being selective.
Worthless homosexual coward.
Thoughts on Spelljammer?
space
>These are inherently incompatible.
lmao
read some old lovecraft shit
>has no artists value
Mona Lisa has artistic value and it's just a painting of an ugly woman, having artistic value doesn't make something good.
el grande autismo
>YOURE'ER NOT ALLOW3D TO LIKE THING CAUSE I SAID SO WAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAH
Imagine being this childish and telling people to grow up. The projection in this post is through the fricking roof.
Yes, just because meele weapons are outdated in real life, every game set in a modern/futuristic setting should have shooting as the only combat mechanic and no one should eve use any kind of weapon that isn't a gun
>guns
>not outdated garbage in a world of artillery, variable-sized drones, and localized explosives
Lmao
>guns are outdated because we have bigger guns
???
Time to make an RPG where your party's chaarcters are a tank, a rocket launcher, a jeep and a minelayer.
>Metal Max revival
I can only pray.
>I can only pray.
We just had one and it hurt my soul. Put that money paw away homie
Man modern warfare, and thus future warfare, is boring as frick. It's all automated killboxes killing as efficiently as they can. And sure, we have these fancy papers that say "we will only kill soldiers as efficiently as possible, trust me bro" but everybody knows that when shit hits the fan it's just most efficient to kill everyone. There's no way I'd want to step foot anywhere close to a modern battlefield, I don't want to get droned to death by some fat frick 2000km away. Bring back melee weapons and looking your killer in the eye, that's the way to go.
Agreed 100%. My only hope is that whatever hell awaits me still has the good ol' fashioned horrors of war still abound.
That is unironically correct, yes. To do otherwise is to insult the audience on a fundamental level.
>I don't think he said he was a drone, anon.
That was the end result though.
>That was the end result
of you being a moron who can't argue or read, yes. I agree.
>"no u"
I accept your concession, drone.
>newbie buzzword phrase
You don't accept shit because you're a moron, kek
Don't you know? Real adults like him argue with 15 year olds on Ganker for hours on end. That's real adult entertainment
and lose the argument, too
The fact you're proudly boasting of having zero intellectual standards is one of the most depressing thing I have ever seen in my life.
>waaah, it's boring
How utterly braindead overstimulated do you have to be to find GUNS boring? Fricking hell.
the fact that you think 'adult entertainment' is arguing with people on Ganker for an hour and losing the argument while strawmanning as hard as humanly possible is the real depressing thing
for you
for me, it's hilarious
Who the frick said I found this entertaining? I was voicing frustration with a shitty trend.
I can't help but notice that both of you are avoiding the inquiry. Overstimulated children, the lot of you.
>more avoidance
you type like a dumb person's idea of a smart person. Kinda like that Starfield npc being mocked on this board.
KEK
so are there any sci-fi adjacent jrpgs with combat you actually approve of?
There are barely any sci-fi adjacent JRPGs to begin with. Also, no.
>I'm not playing video games to be educated.
And that's why humanity is doomed. Anti-intellectualism is a borderline religion these days.
>the primary purpose of every action you take in your leisure time is not to elevate your intelligence, therefore you are anti-intellectual
Not how it works. Anti-intellectual, emphasis on ANTI, means taking measures to actively go against intellectualism as a concept. I am, at worst, neutral on intellectualism. I am not taking measures to become smarter or dumber. Maybe if you had something approaching intelligence yourself, rather than constantly praying for someone or something to pat you on the back and tell you how smart you were, you'd know that.
> Anti-intellectualism is a borderline religion these days
this coming in the same breath as the infantile denigration of an entire art form, both aesthetically and mechanically.
It takes less than 0 effort to find sci-fi JRPGs, and putting in the effort to understand and interpret design and mechanics is far more of a worthy intellectual exercise than anything you've said here.
>denigration of an entire art form
If something calls itself SCIENCE fiction, and actively does not respect the laws of physics for the sake of self-insert power fantasy, then it is neither science fiction, nor possessed of any artistic value whatsoever. It's just false advertising.
>anything that isn't educational causes people to become actively dumber.
History has shown that this is indeed the case. We have no more philosophers, all our """genius""" """innovators""" are all a bunch of scummy con artists, and the mere idea of fiction that actually teaches people something is met with derision and borderline disgust. Idiocracy is real, and you're all in denial about it.
>History has shown that this is indeed the case.
No, it fricking hasn't, you colossal tool. Some of history's greatest minds were born in comparative luxury and given tons of time that would be more or less idle.
>the mere idea of fiction that actually teaches people something is met with derision and borderline disgust
>I can't force anyone to agree with me that leisure is bad and people should focus 100% of their time and energy on self-improvement... society has truly fallen!
>Some of history's greatest minds were born in comparative luxury and given tons of time that would be more or less idle.
Literally any one of these alleged "great minds" of today that you could possibly name are ALL trifling shitheels who use their influence to try and play god. Go ahead, name one who isn't a massive piece of shit, and is actively no bullshit trying to make the world a better place. You literally CAN'T.
>>I can't force anyone to agree with me that leisure is bad and people should focus 100% of their time and energy on self-improvement... society has truly fallen!
Leisure should be combined with education, lest our society continue to deteriorate.
>any one of these alleged "great minds" of today
I said great minds IN GENERAL, toolbox. If you're going to try and pretend that modern leisure is some special exception and all other leisure throughout history was fine, go ahead. It'll make it even easier to laugh at you.
>Leisure should be combined with education, lest our society continue to deteriorate.
Citation needed.
Can you name any scholars working today, or even working in the latter half of the twentieth century, that you didn't find out about from tv? If not you should shut the frick up. Do you think the average 17th century English peasant knew who Isaac Newton was?
does HSR call itself science fiction?
It has spaceships in it, so by default, yes.
>science didn't stop just because of the existence of dumb fun.
Then why am I not on a space station right now? Frick you, and stop sucking corporate dick.
>can't even try to name ONE example
I accept your concession.
>Citation needed.
We are having this argument on Ganker, the very existence of which is hard proof that humanity is an abomination.
You're not on a space station right now because you're too fat and stupid to be an astronaut.
Nice projection there.
>>no one mentiones logh
That's because it's pretentious trash. Speaking of acquiring standards.
You're the one who said "humanity is an abomination". That's just misanthropy. Your belief that all other humans need to work to be "worthy" of you is called narcissism.
Oh I see, you're under the very mistaken impression that I exclude myself from that label. Rest assured, that is NOT the case.
Same to you, tasteless basic b***h.
Then why the frick are you acting like your viewpoint is superior? If it was born from an abomination, it has no more validity than any other abomination's work.
Deuteronomy 23
Stop eating shit, dumb gaygay.
Leviticus 20 13
Oh, NOW we're getting somewhere! You're just a misanthrope. Now it all makes sense; of course you think people should exist solely to try and shape themselves into better versions of themselves. You think you're the only "worthy" person!
this whole tantrum is predicated on the idea that star rail is allegedly science fiction. the only person this allegation is coming from is you, you're upset over your own misunderstanding.
Elder Scrolls have spaceships and space station
it also have a pilotable giant mecha that is responsible for shaping the empire.
I know lots of fanart likes to interpret the Numidium as pilotable but I'm pretty sure it's autonomous and Tiber/Arctus just found a way to bind it with the Totem
>all our """genius""" """innovators""" are all a bunch of scummy con artists
This is because our """genius""" """innovators""" are businessmen. I don't have anything to say about philosophy, but I promise you science didn't stop just because of the existence of dumb fun. I'm not remotely a titan of science, but I've managed to get some peer reviewed work out there even after watching some fast and furious movies.
My man there was a time people didn't even know America existed. Would you rebuke someone for daring to hypothesize America at the time?
Maybe I regret feedin' the troll. Just a little. But that anon earlier was right, you should absolutely get an autism diagnosis. I've been loving the free government bux ever since I got mine :).
Guns are boring as frick, as
said, it's the most homosexual way of fighting, and that's why it works.
In fiction however, no real world logic needs to be aplied and gun users are almost always a bunch of jobber homosexuals that don't want to learn how to fight like a man
We have evidence melee weapons have been used in the fighting in Ukraine, which is the most modern war we've ever experienced as humans. Why would we assume that in any future setting melee weapons would never be used in any capacity?
Also, calling him a drone is just name calling and not addressing his counterargument. I'm surprised he didn't reply and simply say "no argument" or the "I accept your concession" meme.
>Why would we assume that in any future setting melee weapons would never be used in any capacity?
Because there is no reasonable scenario in which you'd ever been within melee range of the enemy. Quite frankly, fighter craft in sci-fi is absolute prostituteshit, and the same goes for ground forces. The other anon thought it was being sarcastic, but indeed, there's no logical reason remote weapons wouldn't be the end all be all of warfare.
Can you really not think of a scenario under which "remote weapons" might not be used? For example, gamma radiation essentially destroys any transistor-based electronics we have available today, and requires enormous amounts of shielding to protect from it.
Anon, you still haven't addressed his counterargument, your "drone" assertion appears to be an informal fallacy. If you refuse to address his counterargument, I'd say you're the one with the slipping intellectual standards.
That amount of gamma radiation would also kill anyone who was close to that
Not necessarily. Also, gamma radiation does not kill instantly when it hits humans, except perhaps in absurdly high or directed doses.
I've just provided one, directed gamma radiation can disable electronic devices rather easily. Adequate shielding would be very very heavy, because it would need to be extremely dense.
His argument against your assertion that "adults do not watch certain media" is not addressed by your calling him a "garbage consumer". His argument is that it is common for adults to watch ostensibly childish things all the time, and that does not make them any less adult.
>I've just provided one, directed gamma radiation can disable electronic devices rather easily. Adequate shielding would be very very heavy, because it would need to be extremely dense.
And? I don't care. If it gets to the point where it's inconvenient to fight even with remote weapons, then the conflicting factions should just stop fricking fighting and settle their differences properly. You're essentially presenting a scenario in which the civilization in question is literally too stupid to exist.
>it is common for adults to watch ostensibly childish things all the time, and that does not make them any less adult.
Yes it does. Acquire standards and watch something that isn't a moronic waste of time.
>warlike country is stopped by enemy tech that disables all ranged combat
>suddenly drops war entirely because SURELY melee combat must be inherently bad even if ranged warfare is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE
Again, the scenario relies on the civilization being literally too stupid to exist. I don't care about this world or what happens to it, which means you have failed as a writer.
>>the primary purpose of every action you take in your leisure time is not to elevate your intelligence, therefore you are anti-intellectual
Again, unironically correct. What's the fricking point if you don't gain something from it?
typically when people engage with video games the primary thing they are trying to gain is entertainment. i'm not sure this hobby is really for you anon, maybe you'd be happier just watching a documentary
>implying that entertainment and education are fundamentally opposed
Our species is fricked.
>Then what are you gaining from this argument?
Hopefully, I'll get at least one of you to see reason, and you'll start demanding better from media.
>implying that entertainment and education are fundamentally opposed
You're the one who's doing this by saying that anything that isn't educational causes people to become actively dumber.
>Hopefully, I'll get at least one of you to see reason
The only person in this thread who isn't seeing reason is you. We all value entertainment in our entertainment, and you can't understand that, which makes you angry.
Then what are you gaining from this argument? Nobody else is dumb enough to subscribe to your shitty all-or-nothing worldview.
Your belief that it's inherently stupid to not think identically to yourself is hilariously, transparently stupid.
I think assuming that if a certain type of weapon becomes obsolete that humans will simply decide to stop fighting is utterly absurd and not supported by any evidence whatsoever.
Asserting something is the case without evidence is not helping you here at all. "I don't care" and "Acquire standards" are just pointless rhetoric, do you have any actual arguments left?
>Can you really not think of a scenario under which "remote weapons" might not be used?
Not in any setting in which people have functioning brains, no. Any society in which, say, a bar brawl is potential scenario, is a failed one.
>your "drone" assertion appears to be an informal fallacy.
How? If you consume garbage, then you're a brainless drone with no standards. It's not that complicated.
Guns are outdated, give me space magic or gtfo.
The issue is when a series lacks the internal logic to justify why they don't just cap people.
Star Wars has in-universe logic to justify why melee weapons are used. Blaster bolts can be really slow to really fast depending on the power of a given blaster, and force users utilize force-augmentation which allows them to have faster reflexes and greater control over their body. This would be the same logical effect as bullet-time.
Sure, you can say "Le bullshit space magic", but the logic is usually consistent within that.
Why would a force user use a gun when he could use a lightsaber and chew through crowds?
It makes sense from a bio-physics perspective, too. If you tried to dodge a bullet in real life, from center of mass, even if you somehow could muster the strength and reaction speed to do so, you'd be knocked out from the sheer G force of moving that fast. It's easier to imagine that someone would rather just deflect bullets with their arms and lightsaber instead.
>in-universe """logic"""
I don't care. Melee weapons in a futuristic setting makes no sense. I don't care how hard you bend over backwards to try and justify it, it's fricking stupid.
It IS science fiction. Or at least pretending it is. Hell, it's literally called Star Rail. Which I presume has something to do with trains in space, leading to an entirely different rabbit hole of stupid.
You mean "I don't understand why anyone likes melee weapons at all".
Your entire argument can be boiled down to "why does anyone like things I don't", which makes the natural question what you DO like- but you dodge that one constantly. Not that anyone MISSES that you dodge it.
i would be genuinely surprised if he likes anything
>You mean "I don't understand why anyone likes melee weapons at all".
I don't care why you like melee weapons, they shouldn't be in the fricking game! It doesn't matter if you think they're cool or make the game more fun, their presence is illogical prostituteshit.
>Then why the frick are you acting like your viewpoint is superior?
Because I'm not speaking from a perspective of opinion, dumbass. Society is utterly fricked because everyone's literally too dumb to fix the world's problems. It is an objective fact that humanity has lost whatever worth it may have once had.
Yeah, just like how it'd be really stupid if two opposing units decided to call a truce and have a nice Christmas together. People realizing that killing each other over stupid shit is pointless? Total nonsense.
I don't care why you hate melee weapons, they should be in the fricking game! The value of logic in a story is not to make sure the SETTING makes sense within a real-world logical framework, but to make sure the events that occur and the actions characters take make sense!
>I'm not speaking from a perspective of opinion
You are. Since leisure activity is BY DEFINITION a matter of opinion, your argument over how leisure activity should be designed is one of opinion.
>The value of logic in a story is not to make sure the SETTING makes sense within a real-world logical framework, but to make sure the events that occur and the actions characters take make sense!
Melee weapons in a futuristic setting is inherently illogical. Frick suspension of disbelief, do not piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
>Since leisure activity is BY DEFINITION a matter of opinion, your argument over how leisure activity should be designed is one of opinion.
Okay, if we ignore what our lying eyes are telling us, then I guess you're of the opinion that we should all just lay down and fricking die.
Frick fun. Fun is why the planet is constantly on fire.
>Melee weapons in a futuristic setting is inherently illogical.
They are not. Your assumption that futuristic settings must have a certain balance of power is inherently illogical.
>you're of the opinion that we should all just lay down and fricking die
I'm of the opinion that no human is individually responsible for the fate of the entire species to the extent that an activity undertaken solely for its leisure value is immoral. If you hold any other stance, then by all means, take the first step and devote yourself wholly to self-improvement by leaving Ganker.
>They are not. Your assumption that futuristic settings must have a certain balance of power is inherently illogical.
There is no reason whatsoever for melee weapons to exist in a spacearing civilization. This is one of the many reasons klingons make no sense.
>I'm of the opinion that no human is individually responsible for the fate of the entire species to the extent that an activity undertaken solely for its leisure value is immoral.
Ah yes, the "Not my problem." principle. Figures.
>There is no reason whatsoever for melee weapons to exist in a spacearing civilization.
Except the millions of possible reasons that you disregard because you personally dislike melee combat. You refuse to accept any made-up future science that doesn't support the exact conclusions you want.
>Ah yes, the "Not my problem." principle
I'm not a bad person just because I refuse to inflict myself with the infinite suffering of accepting responsibility for all of humanity, to no end.
>Frick fun. Fun is why the planet is constantly on fire.
Lack of fun to discharge and unwind is why high-strung shitheads continuously *set it* on fire.
I don't care. Melee weapons in a modern mechanized conflict makes no sense. I don't care how hard you bend over backwards to try and justify it, melee weapons in a WWI setting is fricking stupid.
How fricking stupid would it be if two enemy soldiers ended up right next to each other with no weapons, and they didn't start punching and grappling each other?
not a hoyoshitter but you should dislodge that obsolete stick up your ass and learn to have fun
*backstabs your posts*
heh, nothing personnel, kid. metal sticks are cool.
>You are not 12 anymore, stop pretending this nonsense is acceptable.
Ironic, because this is peak "Now that I'm a mature 15 year old, I'm not a kid anymore" type shit.
Star Wars is not science fiction. It's fantasy in a high tech setting.
I don't think that
>wow, you must be really fun at parties
Has ever been more appropriate a response.
Sir, that is a baseball bat.
baseball bats can be cool too
If I want swords, I play fantasy. I want my sci-fi to have sci-fi tech.
but what if you want to kill robots with swords
Robots and fantasy aren't mutually exclusive.
the autistic OP probably thinks they are
What if I want to kill robots with swords in modren usa
Why not both
Axes fit SF more imo.
>swords are cool
cope weakling
I am only responding to you to tell you I am filtering your tripcode
This
I remember reading the Red Rising books and thinking that without the swords it wouldn't be as cool even though a sword makes no sense in that setting
>Adds shields
>Melee fricks shields up better
Simple as
Based
end of what? your virginity? not quite sir!
I agree Star Wars is shit
star wars literally uses guns though, are you moronic?
>star wars literally uses guns though
lol
I bet you think Andor is good too
It is.
The terms "soft science fiction" and "science fantasy" spring to mind.
soft science fiction isn't in any way related to science fantasy
sure it is,
is basically right where the line starts to blur
OP is a homosexual.
>science fiction
>people uses melee weapons
>because personal shields are a thing and blades/spikes are the few things that still can be used to bypass them
and again nothing will ever beat DUNE worldbuild autism
I liked dune's "everything in the setting is human" and "computers are illegal" things
Armor has ALWAYS historically been overtaken by weaponry. Always. Failing to respect this fact is one of the many reasons Dune is just as shit as Star Wars.
have a nice day. If you refuse to have any self-respect, then you don't have the right to be alive.
You have even less self-respect than I do by playing sci-fi slop, homie.
How is that a good explanation?
>guns don't work because magic shields
>sword work because magic shields don't work on swords because... reasons
yeah, that's how science fiction works
>advanced technology works because reasons
>How is that a good explanation?
When the shields of two people touch they disrupt each other so a melee weapon can hurt you or something like that. Which brings the question if you couldn't just get close enough with a gun to kill someone but yeah, technology in fiction is a funny thing.
>HAHAHA I'M WEARING KEVLAR NO BULLETS CAN HURT ME
>OW FRICK A KNIFE, KEVLAR'S ONE WEAKNESS
Not too far off from reality
Dune was always dumb
>you can use laser because it explodes and everyone dies
>nobody shoots giant space ships with a tiny cheap laser
Regardless it’s still a shit cop out. Using a low velocity spray of deadly particles would still be more efficient than swords.
there is no space combat in Dune because the Guild has a monopoly on space travel
I loved the scene in Legend of Galactic Heroes where they just use (IIRC) a chaff or gas bomb that disables laser weapons
Just as an excuse for the attackers to bring out
fricking medieval axes
posting my cute wife that allowed me to 30* moc and clear SD V
After a month I finally got her the Herta cone.
oh wait this is the autist who seethes at any sort of contact between science fiction and fantasy and says they're inherently incompatible
Science fantasy is kino
>reddithammer
realism is mental illness
video games are art projects
If that was ever a thing, it's clear they don't follow it anymore. And to be frank, it's a dumb reason, the original trilogy established Jedi has an outdated concept, so it would make sense they'd see no value in a weapon you can't fire at a range
>original trilogy established Jedi has an outdated concept
This is very clear once Obiwan and Vader hold their blades together to start their duel, as a formality because this kind of thing is obviously ceremonial.
Its far more visually pleasing to watch a sword fight over a gun fight OP. Simple as and in pic related I doubt they were going for realism with a waifu protag.
baseball bat to the face is the real ultimate power
>The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of me hitting you in the face with this baseball bat.
>allegedly a science fiction setting
>Honkai: Star Rail is a new HoYoverse space fantasy RPG.
You’re not in space 99% of the time, you’re in an ice planet or a space station. You don’t own a ship or anything special from science fiction. The game is an exact copy of Starfeild. All fake lies and awful stories.
In Forever War, shit advances to the point that you can be shielded from projectiles. So they go back to melee fighting. Sort of like Dune but without the nuclear explosions or slow moving crap.
If we are talking star rail I'm more annoyed over the fact that the power system is never explained, like people have powers just beause and I'm supposed to assume that some people are stronger than others just because I'm told they are.
Star Rail has the forces of nature themselves as gods, basically, with avatars that change over time.
You basically harness power that lines up with your soul. There's a reason healers are harmony, dps are destruction, hunt are speedy bois, etc.
It's basically how visions worked in genshin except they don't need a maguffin to harness the power.
No, i do understand the paths and emanetors, but why some people have lightning or fire, is march stronger than gepard becauase her ice powers are "six phase ice" instead of regular ice? Like why would any of the chinese fricks be scared of kefka when they have a dude with a literal stand that shoots lightning and she is just some b***h with a katana and a gun?
If you did Kafka's quest, you'd see her kit uses none of her real powers. Her spirit whisper is hypnosis (real), to the point where even people completely opposed to her can have their memories rewritten.
i.e. if someone gets the jump on JY/he's unconscious in some way, Kafka could convince him he has literal zero sword skill, or has a deathly fear of blades, etc, and it'd be permanent. Mind warpers are scary.
March is an enigma currently.
The reason some powers are stronger are just training. Think of path attunment like a mental gym. Some people just see better gains with practice.
Kinda like how Bronya has wind power despite only using a gun and the power of motivation
I think Dune did this intelligently though. The elites in universe have personal shielding devices that render projectiles mostly useless but specifically designed melee weapons that vibrate are able to pierce the shielding with ease. Also rule of cool.
George Lucas realised that Laser Swords are extremely fricking cool, so everyone has been copying him since. Blame the concept for being so rad.
There are several characters that use light sabers (not as good as force users admittedly) that aren't force sensitive.
>it's unrealistic so it's bad
is a mindset I will never be able to understand. Do people really want media to become that fricking homogenized? Characters use melee weapons because people tend to find melee weapons more interesting than guns, there's the answer.
In a setting with super powers, yeah, people are gonna be using different weapon types than what we use in real life because the playing field is so massively different. Guns become less effective when the average fighter has the reaction speed to just swat the shots out of the air.
Plus, it's not like Honkai has ever been a pure meleefest. The main fricking character of the series used guns for the majority of her existence as a character, and only relatively recently started to primarily rely on a sword. Star Rail newbies don't know that thoughever.
>not a halberdchad
It's not science fiction, it's a sort of quirky science fiction, aka make it up as you go. Also, that bat is very basic but cool because it also glows, it's a science fiction bat, in actuality.
All scifi stuff is fake trash since they never show the earth is flat.
>every other object in space naturally conforms to an oblong/spherical shape likely to a function of gravity and you can look through a telescope to confirm this. For some reason it's literally just earth that bucks this trend because reasons....
Haha I know this was bait but still.
I think a lot of you forget that most fiction Gankertards consume is purely for entertainment (booba)
in other words, they don't give a shit if the writing is or isn't consistent or good or logical or whatever, so long there are characters to fap too it's all good to them
Oh no it's the sci-fi / fantasy sperg.
I thought you had died from your autism.
author:
>here's this setting I've made up
people:
>nooo, that's not how it works
What kind of mental illness is that?
where the frick is she
i sneed her
they cant just tease us like that
>generic chink #554
You hoyocucks have no taste lmao
I usually have great disdain for the hoyogays but they almost got me with Yelan
fortunately there's a private server
I have and will never touch Genshin but I beat it to so much Yelan porn it's unreal
>Minovsky Particles that result from the fusion reactors that power Mobile Suits make radar useless
>all long range missiles that aren't dumbfire are pointless
>this forces MS units into melee and close range urban combat
I love this shit, give me more
The funniest thing about this is that there's all this sci-fi lore to justify visual range combat but then the show devolves into robots fist fighting each other for no particular reason when they could still shoot each other from a kilometer away.
It's just only they can use light sabers to deflect gun fire so it isn't completely fricking stupid
Rule of cool trumps realism. And what I find cool trumps what you find cool gayboi.
I'd like to say, Topaz is a no-goodnik
Wonder if the science fantasy hating shitposter is related to the one always complaining about mecha being unrealistic.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF ARMORED INFANTRY, OR ANY MASSED UNIT ARMY, IN A SETTING WITH MAGIC FIREBALLS IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE STOP IT STOP IT STOP ITAIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
In truth this is actually an argument I rarely see. I know people love b***hing about black people and women in fantasy settings, but I've yet to ever see anybody sperg out about how in these same fantastical settings, there are still massed infantry charges against factions that have actual lightning-conjuring wizards and dragon-riding cavalry, there are still archers firing completely normal arrows against trolls with regenerative properties (despite the knowledge that fire cancels troll regeneration), there are still swordsmen engaging in combat against golems and constructs made of material too hard for a sword to penetrate, and all of the like and beyond. Fantastical nonsense like this demands a fantastical approach (or rather an adjusted realistic approach), but only the severely autistic would take offense to it.
massed infantry was still used in the 1800s when volley fire had become so developed that almost any formation would be destroyed before it reached the enemy
the reason was cohesion and morale, not everything in war is about killing the enemy directly
those 'infantry' also had guns and were also volley firing back you fricking sodden muppet
if you're in column and marching, your return fire is negligible compared to the fire of a thinner battle line firing in successive lines or by platoons
the purpose of the formation was often not to destroy the enemy by fire, but to keep cohesion until you can deliver a charge or the enemy routs before that happens
Sometimes settings justify it by making magic/magicians exceptionally rare, regulated, and/or dangerous.
I tried to solve it in one of my old, now-discontinued dnd settings by having mages be regulated by essentially a fantastical analogue to the geneva conventions or that one papal decree against crossbows only this time backed by nuclear weapons
Sounds mainly like you're talking about warhammer where the answers are
1. Because wizards are rare, unreliable and can explode at a moment's notice, and cavalry charges still work
2. Because they regenerate but aren't invincible, and the arrows can sometimes kill them before they can heal fully. Also we know that fire works, but the average illiterate peasant might not
3. I dunno man usually the guy singlehandedly fighting a golem has a magic weapon or something, and if not he'd pretty much always lose
Loufu was the gayest shit possible. Hope Penacony is good.
*BREATHES IN*
SUFFICIENTLY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY...
... is not a real thing, and Clarke was a moronic hack.
It's almost like Gundam is a shitty toy commercial or something.
What Sci-Fi do you like?
I'm so glad realism dorks are the most ignored people in gaming.
Anon, I...
They are. Outside of sims realism gets a basic nod at best from most games. For every ARMA there are a dozen games like Titanfall or Quake or Doom.
Rules are meant to be broken.
Any and all arguments that hinge squarely on realism when involving fictional settings that are not inherently made in bad faith are still exceptionally weak, and can invariably be broken by the simple merit of "Rule of Cool". If you cannot appreciate a setting because it's not based 100% in contemporary scientific research, your ability to interface with fiction is so stunted that it's not worth engaging in discussion.
especially with regard to weaponry, given that throughout history there have been many weapons that were used for reasons other than actually being effective
weapons were discarded as obsolete only to be found to be useful later on, weapons were used just to frighten the enemy or confuse them, etc.
To your point, it should really be noted that peoples' perception of "This weapon would be considered obsolete and unusable!" is really only a modern concept, and really only applies to modern warfare. Even just two centuries back you'd still see cavalry charges into firearm formations backed with pikemen and swordsmen. The "Gun" didn't just invalidate all other forms of combat overnight, it took centuries of failure, even when industrialized and with immense mass-production, to completely dominate battlefields, and that's singularly because modern armor development didn't match pace with firearms(mostly because it's obscenely more costly to make armor for 10 men than it is to make guns for 100) which created a world where killing fast was a higher priority than surviving longer. In hundreds of years, the amount of potential developments in weaponry, armor, tactics, grand strategy, etc. are so vast that it'd be moronic to conclude that war has been "solved" in all fictional scenarios.
That's not really true. Since antiquity, there have been many weapons "generally declared obsolete", many of which later returned in some different form. The only difference is we've gotten better at deciding what the actual role of something is. For example, although armored knights are obsolete, we still use horses to transport infantry around rough terrain.
I do agree with the idea that assuming that war would be solved in any future scenario is a bit silly, and really is little more than another fantasy element for flavour.
Nah, not really. I'm a big rule of cool gay as well but I can understand that some people might appreciate the thoughtfulness and attention-to-detail that goes into hard sci-fi and other realistic genre settings. Rule of Cool allows you to pull off crazy evocative shit but relying on it- sometimes even just a little- can leave your setting feeling ungrounded, inconsistent, and childhood make-believy in a way that lots of people find unpalatable. Luckily I'm a chuuni moron otherwise I'd be more bothered by these sort of things
There is value in hard sci-fi's approach to "everything is grounded and specific to advances discovered by (theoretical physicist)'s works on the matter", but my point is that an argument of "This is inferior because it's unrealistic" holds vanishingly little water. There's always more to be drawn from a fantastical setting taking more time to explain or develop why the giant war machine is necessary for frontline combat and not just layered missile/rocket batteries, but to hinge an entire argument against all attributes of the setting beginning and ending with comparisons to real life is an admittance of disinterest in looking for fiction in your fiction, but rather a focus on nitpicking for the sake of showing off one's own specific research on a subject where it isn't necessary.
I disagree. I think all it necessarily points to is them valuing different things in their fiction. I don't personally relate to it but at the same time there's lots of people- especially in literature- that write off genre fiction outright and prefer intimately grounded and relatable things- things immediately applicable to everyday life that don't feel the need to break anything through established genre staples and abstraction (i.e. where you and I might appreciate something like Evangelion where a sci-fi narrative form is used to communicate themes of loneliness or the ambiguities of human relationships or whatnot, someone else might prefer to just cut with the window dressing and have the story just be about mundane people experiencing everyday people experiencing everyday loneliness in entirely everyday ways). That doesn't suddenly make Marriage Story or a Hemingway Novel suddenly *not* 'fiction in my fiction", though. But I do agree with you on a more personal level in that I find it weird that someone could be super into art and yet simultaneously resist anything that pushes the boundaries of experience and language (i.e. fantasy, mysticism, poetry) when really that's just what we've been doing since the dawn of time. Like I'd be curious as to whether the hard sci-fi autist anon would be fine with fantasy provided it was unpretentious and never attempted to be anything else.
Also I don't use autist as an insult here sorry other anon, I just mean that you're more discerning on what constitutes Sci-Fi than most people
Don't apologize to that homosexual. You're capable of eloquently expressing your thoughts and posit both a disagreement with my statements and your own personal opinions. He's beneath you.
I'm just clarifying that I don't use autist as necessarily a negative connotation since there's lots of genre quibbles that I'm equally passionate about as well (don't even get me started about Cosmic Horror), a passion that can only be described as autism.
>"Rule of Cool"
Only moronic children find this acceptable. Adults prefer entertainment not insult their intelligence.
When it starts actually existing, I'll let you know.
>Adults prefer entertainment not insult their intelligence.
>goes to watch Gay of Thrones, Twilight, and Avengers
LMAO
LOL
ADULTS
I watch none of those things, but whatever.
You say that as if it's not a perfectly valid point.
yet most 'adults' do. Too bad you're not 'adult' enough to understand a simple concept like that you fricking moron
lmao
>yet most 'adults' do.
Those aren't adults. Those are corporate slave drones who happily clap and empty their wallets at whatever their Hollywood masters tell them to.
>"If I make up a whole bunch of wanky bullshit to justify my childish make-believe, then surely that'll make it more dignified!"
>n..no TRUE Scotsman...
you tried to speak for the entire adult spectrum when you're like 14, you looked moronic, you still look moronic, take the L and frick off, dipshit
>proudly admitting to being a drone
...
I don't think he said he was a drone, anon. I think he's saying that the argument hinging on people falling into "drone" and "non drone" categories is a "no true scotsman" informal fallacy that is attempting to incorrectly deflect a counterexample.
>Adults prefer entertainment not insult their intelligence
Watch out bois, we've got an adult in our midst.
Before I read a little deeper into the Romance I always pictured Cao Cao as this indomitable, unperturbable badass. Then I found out that he's literally a cackling Fu Manchu type
>When it starts actually existing, I'll let you know.
Surely there must be some sci-fi in existence that's at least closer to your ideal.
>sci-fi game
>melee weapons
>fantasy races like elves
yeah, i'm thinking kino
It is inconceivable that Shadowrun is the only other sci fi that does this.
>HBS died before we could get a new Shadowrun game
Frick man, I need more urban fantasy cyberpunk
>Frick man, I need more urban fantasy cyberpunk
I've been looking for a TTRPG built for something like this that ISN'T Shadowrun I'm sorry the elves and dwarves and dnd dragons and shit is just too goofy and distracting for me
Preferably one where magic and technology aren't portrayed as mutually-opposing forces but instead you see shit like technology integrating magic and vice-versa
>Preferably one where magic and technology aren't portrayed as mutually-opposing forces but instead you see shit like technology integrating magic and vice-versa
You're literally describing the Shadowrun trilogy, especially the last two. Unfortunately they're the only trpgs I know that do magic and tech at the same time. Maybe the tbh games?
I've been thinking about running Shadowrun as the skeleton of a system and homebrewing from there, but I don't know how my players would react to that.
>Maybe the tbh games?
qrd?
There's an SMT ttrpg that I thought had devil summoner modules, I just checked and I was wrong but there are plenty of modules/supplements for it that you could possibly homebrew a bit
SMT is super similar to the vibe I'm going for, I'll have to check that out. Got any links?
No idea where to find it, you'll have to ask tg
>technology integrating magic and vice-versa
Makes me think of Monster Hunter and Breath of Fire. I'm sure every Final Fantasy is like that too.
Monster Hunter is hilarious, actually. Humanity is perpetually stuck in basically a "super iron age", but with access to batshit insane metamaterials that occasionally catapult them miles ahead. Brachydios slime is, just by a cursory analysis, a room-temperature, ambient-pressure superconductor, and they use it to make their EXPLOSIVE MELEE WEAPONS better.
Grug smash. Then Grug smash better.
>Scifi setting
>No reason to fight because drones can do it for you at a distance for free without harming people
>Sci-Fi setting
>People still primarily uses fricking ironsight/aim-down sights instead of helmet-linked crosshair/targeting, which allows far more freedom of aiming and movement.
All it takes is one IFF failure for everyone in a conflict to learn why at some point you absolutely want a naked human eye in the equation.
There's a reason I said primarily. guns still have sights as a baseline. Besides if they already can scramble that they can also scramble the sci-fi guns also
If we're talking baselines, then it's far cheaper to teach soldiers discipline than to equip them all with cybernetic sights.
It is literally a cheap tech that only need a cheap ass chip that feeds the helmet coordinates information.
We already inplemented a more primitive version of this in various military tech decades ago in real life
I like how in 40k, one of the main weapons of the IG is an M2. It's just that practical, effective and cheap/easy to produce that it survived 40 thousand years.
jingliu butts
>an elegant weapon for a more civilized age
>implying its time has passed
>only other melee weapons exist only because they could parry lightsabers
imagine being filtered by Star Wars like moron ass OP LOL
your head is gonna explode when you get to space china
>super advanced nation of "long life species" that sail the stars in a fleet of spaceships with their own atmosphere and environment
>their soldiers all use metal halberds, they don't know what gasmasks are, and they can't get rid of a tree
anon, every space ship engine is automatically a weapon
if they toss their garbage out of the window before slowing down they've sterilized the entire surface of your planet with zero counterplay
The original trilogy treats jedi like long lost sorcerors, literally Vader gets called a sorceror by the empire
The implication here with the secrecy around jedi and the rarity of vader's sorcery, so much that people don't even believe in force choking until they see it, is that lightsabers are basically ceremonial katana for space weebs, not really practical but used because it's cool and for muh lore of being a weapon from the past
they've since become THE STAR WARS THING
See also: Space Marines, a cool posterboy faction that have since dwarfed the entire setting
>full thread of homosexuals
>no one mentiones logh
Shooting ballistic
projectiles inside a space ship is not a smart idea.
You couldnt be more wrong.
Most common weapon in the galaxy is the blaster that fires a plasma blast that jedi reflect or parry with the lightsaber.
So what are you gonna do against an opponent that reflects or parries your ranged attacks?
You must go into melee (or use some other tactics that HK-47 describes)
and what are you gonna do in melee against the jedi?
You have a lose lose situation.
Then add other powers of master jedi on top and you will understand the reason why they transcend blasters.
The weapons have to suit the game you dumbfrick. It would be boring if every single character in this Four homies In A Line Sim all just used guns.
I think guns are boring, simple as. I don't judge people who like FPS/TPS, but years of Monster Hunter have conditioned me into believing they are utterly uninteresting compared to the rush of melee combat. I was going to make a post about people just feeding this troll again but, to be honest, these autism-bait threads have helped me find new games to enjoy.
guns are gay as frick. think about it. it's like if someone throw shit at you and they kept their distance. pretty gay right? melee on the other hand is personal.
>allegedly a science fiction setting
pic unrelated?Star Rail was fantasy, only morons thought it was going to be sci-fi
It's like "realistic" space combat. If you gave real-world militaries with a real desire to win standard sci-fi tech, the tactics that emerge would probably be along the lines of "whoever's spotted first is bombarded with enough force to delete them from existence". But that's not something that 99.999999% of players find engaging, not in gameplay terms nor in aesthetic terms, so most space combat is boiled down to WWII but more 3D and with a few flashy gimmicks.
Unless you're expressly making a game where guns can provide specific mechanical interest, i.e. adding a range mechanic, they're a penalty toward a game's fun factor.
In the context of pretty much any game with any significant degree of abstraction between player control and on-screen action, the weapon a character wields doesn't mean very much at all. It's all functionally animations, and melee just plain provides more room for personality and flourish. There's a spot for the occasional "step back and call in an airstrike" or "pull out a gun for one cool trickshot" but an entire moveset built around ranged only looks cool when you're in direct control of it.
Combat being decided by movement where all involved characters can see and speak to each other provides more storytelling opportunity to boot.
So stuff like action games, turn-based RPGs, card games, and so on prefer melee weapons as a matter of course.
>that's not something that 99.999999% of players find engaging,
Then those 99.999999% of players are drooling morons who need flashy lights and keys jingled in their face. This is why media has no substance, because ANY attempt at conveying something educational or relevant is immediately shot down with "BORED NOW". It's fricking pathetic.
Avoidance of what? The hell are you even on about?
>ANY attempt at conveying something educational or relevant
I'm not playing video games to be educated.
Melee combat turns combat into a chance to interact with the enemy, to show character-specific traits and play them against the enemy's. "And then I called in another bombardment after sighting ten new red blobs on my Hyperscope, winning the fight before it even started" is not interaction. The engaging part of a story is characters interacting. Your idea of "the ideal" is horrible for storytelling AND for gameplay, its only value is as a way to make someone feel smart.
I would like to enjoy games like this, however if I wanted to play as character I would have to log in every day and hope they get a banner some time soon, it's just a moronic system that I'm actually kind of glad I didnt get into. Thanks for funding my porn though losers
All fiction is inherently shit.
for me, it’s hard sci fi with esoteric supernatural fantasy
name one (1)
watching this autist getting btfo by multiple anons has been hilarious, good thread
Why are all of you morons arguing with a troll using CHATGPT to answer you?? Is this what modern Ganker is like?
is "using chatgpt to troll" the new "pretending to be moronic"?
not every science fiction setting is futuristic.
As usual, a raging autist always leaves a neologism calling card.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/prostituteshit/
Hey OP, what do you think of mechas? I think they're pretty cool.
What ticks me off is when science fantasy has desktop PCs and commieblocks (Shadowrun, Xenogears) you would think they can come up with better technology with magic than 2023-tier tech.
Instead of commieblocks, everyone has a cramped commiedimension that government wizards hand out to poorgays.
Yes they could be bigger, but you can't afford it.
Well, look at how technology is GOING right now, and you can see why people would arrive at such an assumption.
The computing hardware, to whatever extent it exists, has to go somewhere. Your options are to place it where the user is (commieblock) or centralize it and just give the user an interface (and we're back to mainframe computing). You can make computers really small and give them really unique interfaces at best, but ultimately in order for a workplace to be identified as a workplace, you have to give it some structure, and cubicles do just that.
>in order for a workplace to be identified as a workplace, you have to give it some structure, and cubicles do just that.
I don't know if you would call it a problem or limitation with fiction, but another thing is that you at least want the audience to be able to recognize things in the sci-fi universe. If you get too abstract with it, people will just get confused so it's better to just play it safe with easily recognizeable laser guns, laser knives, smartphones are just modded into your eyes now, stuff like that.
That scene in Demolition Man where Stallone has no idea how he's supposed to use the three bathroom seashells and it's never even explained is like a joke about this exact thing.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Yes you can imagine something wholly divorced from its modern counterpart, give it a design that makes some logical sense, and explain the development that led from the modern tech to the future tech. But unless you're willing to devote screen time to expressly spelling out what it is, you're gambling as to whether the audience will understand, and communicating with your audience is paramount.
hoyoshitverse has no creativity
even their character designs look like they were shat out by ai
the only reason they are doing good is because they have excellent environment artists and sound designers
even their gameplay departments are fricking trash, incapable of making unique, innovative events
doesnt help that most of the profits they earn dont even go back into the games; they go into ccp military ai and space program
>Modern military setting
>soldiers still train for hand-to-hand, grappling, and use of a combat knife
Star Wars won Star Trek lost
moronic to use hull piercing projectiles in a space station
For me, it's mechs with colossal guns that look like wings
guns will be illegal in the future
your days are numbered /k/uck
>DUDE LE SCIENCE FICTION HAS TO BE REALISTIC BRO OTHERWISE YOU CANT CALL IT THAT BRO
This has literally never been a thing and I'm not sure why redditors started screeching it. Did someone say it in a youtube video?
it is LITERALLY one autist
Nah I've seen it. Saying star wars isnt science fiction but star trek is etc.
Since the dawn of mankind, all the way to its absolute apex and finally down to our bodies withering to ashes, we will still grab the nearest possible object and beat the everliving piss out of someone. You're just a funless dour c**t.
, you're now entirely anti-fiction.
>Hypothetical scenarios within the realm of actual physics are perfectly acceptable.
>
>>If I tell you a story that takes place in a world where people speak backwards, that is otherwise identical to our world, that world has a consistent logic that is not equal to our own logic.
>No, that world isn't real, and therefore doesn't make sense. It's not that I'm incapable of misunderstanding the premise, I simply reject it because it's fricking stupid.
>
it towards everyone, even people I cannot hope to affect within my lifetime, is just stupidity.
>You are a coward, and the fact people like you are the vast, vast majority, is why we are all doomed.
might as well talk about the game no? what's the setting like anons? from every picture i see it looks like someone late victorian space stuff that has not left scarcity phase yet.
You travel the cosmos on the 999 and visit various quest hubs that are each based on some country/era of earth. Occasionally you hit stuff with a bat.
There's a lot of worldbuilding through various in-game sources, but the gist of it is that most of the galaxy is effectively ruled by a megacorp (the IPC), and the main threat to everything is the Antimatter Legion, some techno-monster guys who follow a god of destruction. (You) travel around planets on a space train along with some other guys and effectively act like an NGO going in and solving problems.
Actual in-game areas so far is a proper space station, the planet in your pic that's pretty much Frostpunk but less grim, Space China: The Ship, and next patch (I think) we go to a prison planet were everyone broke out and formed their own medieval kingdoms or some shit
so it is very much ike dune as in the IPC is in charge of any and all space travel and most people do not frolic about and are locked to their home system?
Dunno, maybe they got into that in one of the million books you can find in the game. The IPC is big enough to own entire planets though, and the only other big spacefaring factions we've seen so far are the Xianxou (space china) and the antimatter guys. The game's only got 3 main locations since launch, so there's enough to expand upon to put it lightly.
>so it is very much ike dune as in the IPC is in charge of any and all space travel
Space travel is done by anyone with the capability, the IPC just runs the universal economy and the universal internet. Their MO is to take planets via economic warfare. They are the biggest faction so they can pretty much do what they want. The IPCs founding purpose was to gather resources for their Aeon (space god) to help it build a massive space wall to protect the universe from some threat. But who knows how many people at the IPC even care about that anymore.
>most people do not frolic about and are locked to their home system?
This thing is most worlds (world in this instance can mean anything from a single planet to an entire solar system) are cut off from each other by something called imaginary space. Which can only be bypassed via the star rail. The group you belong to travel on an Aeon blessed space train with the power to rebuild to star rail and reconnect cut off worlds after it was destroyed in the past.
Oh hey, someone took a photo of me visiting /gig/!
I am going to stick laser bayonets on laser guns and you will endlessly seethe
>ITT: 15yr old learned the word concession yesterday
but kafka and silver wolf use guns you moron
Sex with Stelle
guns are only cool if they're thicker than the character's torso
real life guns are the most cringe weapons ever put into games, and gta:sa has a dildo
revolvers are cool
>Nobody wears a helmet except mooks
I get it but also I wish there was a solution to this shit
>helmet is off by default and is automatically put on when you're "up to speed" in combat
>helmet is a user-toggleable cosmetic
>helmet is put on for some special moves as appropriate
humans showing aliens the superiority of firearms over their stylized weapons is peak scifi
Really? You didnt start with that the entire galaxy worships the same pantheon of gods?
this fella has not played the game, he's just getting high off of his own fart fumes
I was pissed off the MC's canon weapon is a FRICKING BASEBALL bat and now even a katana or some cool sword. A fricking baseball bat. How lame is that?
due to main character reasons the MC gains other fighting styles later in the game. the baseball bat could easily be an homage to ninten/ness from earthbound or ichiban in like a dragon for something more recent.
I was pretty happy about it since the last time I saw an MC use a bat was in Off
It is just the starter gear
I know they get the EARTH FLAME SWORDO and other weapons but the game makes it seem like canonically they use a baseball bat, which is lame.
Granted I have seen more artwork/promos of the MC wielding the sword and not the baseball, so that's nice at least.
>hypothetical scenarios of all kinds are objectively bad and this means all of science is wrong
>the only logic that exists is realism, there is no such thing as logic outside of a realistic scenario
>if ranged weapons ceased working in a sci-fi scenario war would stop entirely
>you are obligated to try and take responsibility for all of humanity if you care about even one other person
>only people who are weak need to do anything but work
jesus christ
for me its Topaz
this shit has been going on for nearly five hours. OP you need to lay off the shitposting and play some games for once this is atrocious. you might not believe that partaking in relaxing and enjoyable activities is worthwhile but i'll believe it for you.
>modern urban setting with a mix of technology and magic
>gunpowder doesn't exist
>the vatican invents guns which are identical to ours except they use a magic explosive crystal as a power source instead
>only a small number of advanced magic users are able to use guns by individually manipulating each internal component of the gun to activate the firing mechanism and shoot the bullet
>everybody else uses swords and bows
I never understand why people do this. I get the part where you want to piss people off, but doing it like that takes way too much effort, what with having to argue your moronic point and reply to others. Is there a way to automate shitposting? AI chatbots are too nice to make it work.
Stelle > Loom
Prove me wrong
Did Star Rail get any better?
I thank God every day for not making me an absolutely joyless c**t like this autist
Anon how do you reconcile your spartan, no-time-wasted mode of living with the fact that you've spent the better part of a day arguing on Ganker
This has got to be the most dedicated troll I've seen in a good week
>98 KB
> Anon how do you reconcile your spartan, no-time-wasted mode of living with the fact that you've spent the better part of a day arguing on Ganker
I don't? Again, I do not exclude myself from humanity being shit.
>Do you... not believe in COMPUTERS? YOU'RE USING ONE, RIGHT FRICKING NOW.
Yeah, and I know computers wouldn't be as shit as they are right now if scientists weren't being paid off by corpos.
>Your idea of morality is so pants on head moronic I don't even have to argue to disprove it.
Please, at least the warlord is successful in life. The scrub is a failure, so frick em.
>Yeah, and I know computers wouldn't be as shit as they are right now if scientists weren't being paid off by corpos.
The fact remains that science without hypotheses isn't science at all. Hypotheses work. Your grudge against them doesn't change that.
>Please, at least the warlord is successful in life. The scrub is a failure, so frick em.
Bahahahaha... No. Effort > results when it comes to who I give emotional support to.
>Hypotheses work.
Making up bullshit and skewing the results in your favor does technically work for its intended purpose, yes.
>Bahahahaha... No. Effort > results when it comes to who I give emotional support to.
You shouldn't be giving "emotional support" to anyone. That's better known as coddling.
Space is sci-fi by default.
>Making up bullshit and skewing the results in your favor
Is not how hypotheses are used in science.
Hypotheses are expectations formed based on existing information. They're then tested to confirm or deny their contents.
>You shouldn't be giving "emotional support" to anyone.
That's what empathy and caring for someone else is, moron. The thing you just said you were in support of.
>Is not how hypotheses are used in science.
In practice, yes, it is.
>That's what empathy and caring for someone else is, moron. The thing you just said you were in support of.
Empathy is sympathizing with someone's circumstances. Just because you can feel sorry for someone doesn't mean you should hold their hand.
>In practice, yes, it is.
Prove it.
>Empathy is sympathizing with someone's circumstances
Which is emotional support. You having an extremely fixed idea of what every term I use means doesn't change what I'm saying, dumbass.
>Prove it.
Are you fricking blind or something? One needn't prove the blatantly obvious.
>Which is emotional support.
It's coddling.
>You having an extremely fixed idea of what every term I use means doesn't change what I'm saying, dumbass.
No, it just makes what you're saying wrong.
>I-I don't have to prove it! It's obvious!
If you can't prove it, it's not obvious. If you're not willing to prove it, you clearly cannot.
>It's coddling.
Then you want me to coddle everyone on earth.
>NO NO NO I HAVE AN OBJECTIVELY CORRECT IDEA OF WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, EVERYONE BUT ME IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're not very mature for a fifteen year old.
>"I you can't prove the sky is blue, then logically it MUST be polka dot!"
You're an idiot.
>Then you want me to coddle everyone on earth.
No, I frankly don't care what you do.
They don't exist.
>You're an idiot.
Except it's incredibly easy to prove the sky is blue. There's billions of pictures and written accounts, and it's right there outside, barring clouds and nighttime.
It's not easy to prove that all of science is faked. Because it's not true.
>No, I frankly don't care what you do.
You clearly do, or you wouldn't still be arguing here on Ganker. You'd be doing something quote-unquote productive.
>They don't exist.
Science fantasy and its relatives are a well-documented genre. Many works exist that explore magic and fantasy concepts from a scientific perspective. Because a fictional system like magic is still just that- a SYSTEM, which must therefore have RULES and LIMITATIONS.
>It's not easy to prove that all of science is faked. Because it's not true.
Okay, don't believe your lying eyes then, drone.
>You clearly do, or you wouldn't still be arguing here on Ganker. You'd be doing something quote-unquote productive.
I consider this pretty productive, honestly.
>Science fantasy and its relatives are a well-documented genre.
It's a fake genre made up by chuuni tards. Science and fantasy are two separate things that are not in any way compatible.
>Okay, don't believe your lying eyes then, drone.
I am typing this to you on a working computer, from a heated home, next to a paved road. If science doesn't work, it sure has a funny way of not fricking working.
>I consider this pretty productive, honestly.
You haven't made anyone concede a single point, nor have you proven anything. All you've done is gotten strung along into saying complete obvious self-defeating horseshit. For like seven hours, at this point.
>Science and fantasy are two separate things that are not in any way compatible
If a fireball always comes out when certain people say "fireball", that is logic. If there is logic, there is science to be done. QED.
>I am typing this to you on a working computer, from a heated home, next to a paved road. If science doesn't work, it sure has a funny way of not fricking working.
And all of those things could be a thousand times better if there weren't being intentionally prevented from improving.
>You haven't made anyone concede a single point, nor have you proven anything.
I've proven that Ganker is full of slop eating morons.
>If a fireball always comes out when certain people say "fireball", that is logic.
No, that's bad writing, because magic should not exist in a story at all.
>intentionally prevented from improving.
???
>magic should not exist in a story at all.
????????????
>And all of those things could be a thousand times better if there weren't being intentionally prevented from improving.
And that's what you cannot prove.
>I've proven that Ganker is full of slop eating morons.
That's true independent of your supposed proof.
>magic should not exist in a story at all
Explain why without implying that magic is inherently anti-logical.
>And that's what you cannot prove.
Dude, planned obsolescence has been a thing since commercial technology has existed. You really are an idiot.
>That's true independent of your supposed proof.
Well at least you finally admit it.
>Explain why without implying that magic is inherently anti-logical.
Because it's a shit plot device that gives hack writers free reign to do whatever dumb bullshit they want while paradoxically forcing arbitrary restrictions on the characters essentially having god-like powers.
>Dude, planned obsolescence has been a thing since commercial technology has existed
Nope, actually- it had to be discovered at some point. Light bulbs didn't have planned obsolescence for years.
>Well at least you finally admit it.
I never denied it. It's just for entirely different reasons than "because they consume entertainment".
>Because it's a shit plot device that gives hack writers free reign to do whatever dumb bullshit they want
Untrue; good magic is limited.
>while paradoxically forcing arbitrary restrictions on the characters essentially having god-like powers
Your assumption that the "default state" of magic is to make a character who has it all-powerful is wrong. "Default magic" is one limited spell or innate magical quality.
>"Default magic" is one limited spell or innate magical quality.
And that makes absolutely no sense. being able to bend the laws of physics to one's whim is not something that should be limited to a selection of parlor tricks. Just don't do magic at all, it's inherently stupid.
>being able to bend the laws of physics to one's whim
Is not the definition of magic. Try again.
>Is not the definition of magic.
Yes it is.
Magic
noun
the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
>influencing
Not
>arbitrarily making whatever you want
Even the definition of magic implies magic is subtle by default.
"Influencing" absolutely means doing whatever the frick you want.
Also
>magic
>subtle
Ah yes, let's go ask Shiva about subtlety. I'm sure the giant blue ice woman knows all about that, you fricking tard ass.
>"Influencing" absolutely means doing whatever the frick you want.
I can "influence" the path of a car on the highway by jumping in front of it. I can't make it do a 180 on the spot and live.
>one example of something called magic once is the GOLD STANDARD for what ALL MAGIC is...
>even though the concept is entirely fictional and the rules can be decided on a per-setting basis by the author
You're wrong, I'm right. Score's still at 0 for you.
>I can "influence" the path of a car on the highway by jumping in front of it. I can't make it do a 180 on the spot and live.
You could always try. Go on, give it your best shot.
>>even though the concept is entirely fictional and the rules can be decided on a per-setting basis by the author
You really do love defending hack writing, huh? Making up "rules" for magic is just an admittance that it's god mode bullshit by default, and needs fake restrictions put on it or there's no story.
>You could always try. Go on, give it your best shot.
You do it first, if you think "influence" is tantamount to complete control.
>Making up "rules" for magic is just an admittance that it's god mode bullshit by default
... In what fricking way is a magic system conceived from the start as being limited "god mode bullshit by default"?
The concept of magic in story X has no bearing on the concept of magic in story Y. None whatsoever. Nobody making story Y is obligated to even know story X exists.
>... In what fricking way is a magic system conceived from the start as being limited "god mode bullshit by default"?
It's magic, that's why. It does literally whatever the plot needs, and is only limited by whatever arbitrary crap the author imposes on it.
>variety is important
Or, OR... you could just stick to what actually works.
>inb4 guns aren't good in this setting
Then the setting is poorly constructed and the game is bad.
>It does literally whatever the plot needs
EVERY story just does whatever the plot needs you drooling fricking moron! Creating a series of events that makes logical sense FROM A STORYTELLING PERSPECTIVE (not by real life logic) is the most important thing in a fricking story!
Dont @ me you fricking homo
Maybe. I think i have a bigger problem when its tried to justify beyond "swords" like why can someone swing a sword faster than explosives csn accelerate a bullet? Easier to just say this guy likes swords and his robot legs make it so he can close the gap faster than most people can draw or something.
>why can someone swing a sword faster than explosives csn accelerate a bullet?
Accelerating a chunk of metal using an explosive reaction has an upper limit on how much speed can be achieved while retaining accuracy et al. We've been cranking more efficiency out of bullets for multiple centuries now, and as far as we can tell we're reaching some fundamental limits of how "explosion to launch bullets" and "metal moving really fast" can be improved.
Conversely, we don't know the limits of an augmented human body, since the concept of human augmentation is still in its infancy in real life.
So people are willing to believe that a human can become "just that fast" more than they're willing to believe bullets can get significantly faster.
That was more a hypothetical but thanks for the answer.
Im skeptical a larger mass like a robot person could be accelerated faster than a hypothetical bullet with more advanced tech but either way. Il chalk it up to the human spirit or something.
Dunes thing of objects moving too fast cant enter the shield was a clever solution i thought. The nuke explosion i could do without though. Just the shield part couod explain why some people use swords if they arent so common everyone has one.
I don't know exactly how a larger mass of metal could be moved faster without explosives than a smaller mass could be moved with explosives either!
That's why it's science FICTION. It occupies gaps in our understanding. The things it fills those gaps with are meant to look plausible and not actively fight what is known, not be strictly real things that humans have already done and proven work.
Shielding reacting more strongly to high speed and thus being pierced by melee is also very clever.
>I don't know exactly how a larger mass of metal could be moved faster without explosives than a smaller mass could be moved with explosives either!
Frickin'... Magnetically accelerated weaponry is a real thing, fool!
Frick your entertainment. Go do something valuable with your dishwater life.
>Frickin'... Magnetically accelerated weaponry
Still doesn't matter. The limits we're reaching on bullet velocity are more a function of the fact that we OCCUPY AN ATMOSPHERE than anything; something we can much more likely bypass with a reusable human-sized solution than a disposable bullet-sized one.
>Frick your entertainment.
And there we have it. You do not care about the ENTERTAINMENT VALUE of ENTERTAINMENT. You think everything should exist to expound factual information and nothing else.
If you want that, get off of our VIDEO GAMES board.
>You think everything should exist to expound factual information and nothing else.
You wouldn't see me complaining about an active effort to make people less ignorant.
Again, if all media must be historically accurate documentaries, I'll fricking take it if it results in the populace being less stupid.
>You wouldn't see me complaining
But every sane human being would be, because that's boring as shit and everyone sane knows fiction is fiction.
>if all media must be historically accurate documentaries, I'll fricking take it if it results in the populace being less stupid
It won't, and never would.
>"Waaah, not being a braindead moron is booooooring!"
Cry me a fricking river. I don't care. I'm tired of the human race being doomed by its own bottomless stupidity.
Piss off. Those aren't real flying cars, those are shitty gimmick devices that don't work anywhere near the way one would in a work of fiction.
>you're stupid because you don't want your life to be consumed by dry monotonous functionality
I'd argue the opposite: You believe all of humanity is, or should be, like you, a dumb drone who requires nothing but sustenance and purpose.
I, unlike you, do not aspire to become an eusocial species.
What was all that bluster about wanting people to to focus on real science, hmmmm? What a fascinating moron.
>gluing a pair of wooden planks on the side of a gutted car
>science
Speaking of childish make-believe.
Im not arguing with you man, just saying for me hearing that as an explination would ruin my suspension of disbelief. Sometimes its better to let people fill in the blanks you know? If you cant explain something dont try to, just say its a thing. Like antigravity engines in games, how does it work? Who cares, it runs off some core and manipulates gravity, thats all i need. Any more details and youre going to muddy it up too much.
Oh, okay.
I'm not sure where riding a space train and having crew members ostensibly use magic says it's a pure sci-fi setting
I solved your problem by calling it something else. Space fantasy, cyber fantasy, futuristic fantasy, etc
Isn't this the dude that spams threads crying about muh science fiction?
Why the frick are you giving it attention? He's obviously moronic.
He's also the moron who flips his lid over crossovers because "muh corporate ebil".
No such thing as one person enjoying something another person made, no sir. Everyone but him operates solely off of spite and hatred towards all other human beings.
>sci fi setting
>no one uses guns because the head makes them all shit since if youre gonna kill someone you better do it in melee while looking them in the eyes
based chuuni head
The head is a confusing group, gimping guns and then sending hags and gremlins to enforce their laws.
when you literally own the only city on the planet you can get away with anything. And if you want all your laws to be enforced by Ganker goth chicks and their gimp slaves then who is gonna stop you?
>sci-fi JRPG
>takes place in grassy fields and around medieval castles
>if there are spaceships, they just transport you to other grassy fields/forests/castle dungeons
>no one in party uses guns, you're lucky if they even use laser swords
>story has nothing to do with space any sci-fi element
Why is there not a single fricking sci-fi JRPG.WHY. Stop calling your games titles that imply sci-fi and then not have anything that makes that genre. Frick you.
I have no idea. I think devs just have hardcore tunnel vision when it comes to what a JRPG is. To them, a JRPG IS fantasy, or else it somehow doesn't count.
>space fantasy
>cyber fantasy
>futuristic fantasy
Those are all oxymorons. Space is a science fiction concept. Period.
>Those are all oxymorons. Space is a science fiction concept.
It's clearly not, or none of those things would exist.
>"Destined hero with a special sword" whose sworn enemy is a species of apparently semi-sentient eusocial harvester robots
>"Magic" is the manipulation of quantified biological energy
>"Elf expy species" is hyper-advanced with a floating city and genetically tailored [spoiler]as time bombs[/spoiler]
Play Xenoblade RIGHT NOW
Maybe don't play gachashit? Just saying
Spoon and knives are still gonna be used in the year 4000 Mark my words
I just eat with my hands
>it's hard sci-fi bro, i promise
>Scifi
>Ugh magic and shit
>On of our party member was reincarnation of god deity
>Immortality from the power of magic and shiet
>6+ hours of boring lore dump of fantasy story.
>Planet size trading space port only filled with humanoid being and zero unique space aliens.
Sci-fi my ass.
Guns and magic and laser swords are all cool and i have no problem they all exist in one setting. I wish we had more games like shadowrun with mages and machineguns and halfrobot ninjas.
I only dislike settings when they make guns weaker than everything else for some reason. Like getting shot or stabbed should be equally deadly. Its not like guns have a minimum effective range.
Guns often have to be nerfed because the question becomes "why would you use anything else?"
The answer, in meta terms, is because players are going to want variety. A cyberninja who sneaks into a building five miles away from a target and pulls out a sniper rifle versus a corporate assassin who sneaks into a building five miles away from a target and pulls out a sniper rifle is virtually a mirror match; a cyberninja who has a high-frequency blade and electronic equivalents of classic ninja tricks like holographic doubles versus a corporate assassin who's equipped with a fancy custom rifle and perception augmentations is much more interesting.
I think both scenario could be interesting but yeah variety is important. I cant think of a way or reason why melee would be used over guns except for cases like jedi where its basically magic and religious reasons. Cyberninjas are just too cool to not be a thing though. MGR was a great game and thats what i base all my guys off of for swords amd augmentations.
If we go full fantasy i lve always liked the idea of guns are magic for non wizards. Like instead of learning to cast fireball youve got an artifact(gun) that casts it for you.
Here's a few ways I like to place guns on a level more appropriate for melee combat:
>Augmentations have gotten so good that...
>a.) a sufficiently augmented human can dodge or deflect bullets b.) a sufficiently augmented human can simply shrug off bullets
>Most combatants have personal shielding that cannot be defeated by hardware that can be launched at bullet speeds, so melee weapons are now practical again
>Resources are so slim that slugthrowers are seen as wasteful, and energy shields can handle energy weapons
>ai guided smart bombs
Why use anything else? With FTL comms and travel you wouldn't even have to leave your home to destroy enemies.
lmao is this the same guy who seethes in Armored Core threads about how if there are mechs then that means the writers think you're a moron?
Yeah, and the one who makes threads about that one crossover in Kirby Dream Land 3.
the metroid one?
Yep.
Now what about magic guns
What are some sci-fi settings that don't have basically poorly disguised magic as their main reason to exist
FTL is magic btw
Matrix.
>entering a virtual reality construct that's nigh indistinguishable from reality via a plug in one's brain
Dumbass.
Or, y'know, newtypes. Or an even better example of magic prostituteshit, GIANT FRICKING ROBOTS. Frick you.
>newtypes
newtypes don't become magic until way later, in the original series they're just better humans who can sense intent, and then you get to Char's Counterattack where being a newtype means jackshit
>newtypes don't become magic until way later
BULLSHIT. Pic so related it physically fricking hurts. Frick you.
We've seen VR in real life. It's fricking trash, and extremely does not work that way.
>MUH STORYTELLING
I don't give a flying rat's ass about your oh so GAHENIYUS storytelling. Stop infesting media with fake bullshit. You are actively making people stupider!
>FICTION CONTAINING FICTIONAL CONCEPTS MAKES PEOPLE STUPID
Clearly it's not the sole factor though, or we wouldn't have you shitting up our board.
CONTAINING FICTIONAL CONCEPTS MAKES PEOPLE STUPID
It literally fricking does! There are actual, real human fricking beings who unironically believe that Thanos is a real person who actually exists. Your precious fantastical elements are dooming our species to the most pathetic collapse possible.
The name is literally SCIENCE fiction. Mayhaps it should have some actually fricking SCIENCE in it for once. That might be a nice change of goddamn pace.
>The name is literally SCIENCE fiction.
Yes, the VR is the science part and pass that we got the fiction part.
Again are you pretending to be moronic?
Mother fricking Frankestion was not real because you can't resusrect a fricking corpse with power of thunder electricity, that's why it called science FICTION.
>hurr hurr, it's FICTION tho!
And it always circles back around to this fricking shit. Something being fictional is not an excuse to put stupid fake bullshit in a story. It's anti-intellectual garbage that audiences will believe without question because they're too stupid to know better. Media needs to start pushing for scientific accuracy, or else we are all fricked.
>muh Frankenstein
Mark Shelley wrote that story out of spite because she was an extra b***h.
>And it's not my responsibility to give a frick what CLEARLY FICTIONAL PREMISES do to FRICKING DROOLING moronS!
Yes it is, because you live on planet fricking Earth. And contrary to your assertions, what happens on planet fricking Earth is in fact very much your goddamn problem. Chain's only as good as its weakest link, right? Time to start making better links, or else the chain's gonna break!
>I will not give up WELL WRITTEN FICTION to the end of protecting people who cannot be trusted anyway! If they weren't fixated on fiction, they'd fixate on SOMETHING FRICKING ELSE!
So we can all just go extinct because anon doesn't want to give up their childish make-believe. Fricking typical.
>Chain's only as good as its weakest link, right?
That implies humanity is a chain. It operates on the assumption that all humans are necessary.
99.9% of humans are not serving any sort of vital role. In fact, the planet has demonstrably recovered from worse than what humanity has done to it, so as far as earth itself is concerned, 100% of humans are not serving any sort of vital role. And, generously, maybe 0.1% of humans have any ability to exact noticeable change on the world. That any notable portion of those two groups would intersect, the 0.1% of idiots who think Thanos exists and the 0.1% capable of maybe fricking things up for anyone but themselves, is so statistically unlikely I'm willing to bet against it.
>all fiction is childish make-believe
Yes, you're very mature now that you're in high school.
And here we go right back to the Not My Problem Principle. Bloo hoo, I'm just one person, I can't do anything a bloo hoo. Go frick yourself, useless piece of shit.
Don't call it 'science' fiction if you're not going to bother making it scientific. moron.
It based on science, just like action is full of action doesn't mean need to be realistic.
Are you gonna complained about car chasing scene on busy street but none of the pedestrian got hit by the protagonist next?
>It based on science, just like action is full of action doesn't mean need to be realistic.
Oh are you seriously trying to pull this "based on a true story" crap, but for a genre? Wow.
>Are you gonna complained about car chasing scene on busy street but none of the pedestrian got hit by the protagonist next?
I love how you fricks keep giving me really good examples of stupid shit in fiction. It's like you're making my points for me!
Which is one of the many reasons it's fricking garbage.
Excuses. Nothing but pathetic excuses. You could go do something worth a damn right now, but you choose not to. And then you have the utter gall to act like that makes you noble somehow. Frick you.
You're the one trying to make it a moral imperative for humanity to stop all leisure activity and abandon the concept of fiction. THAT'S dressing up moronation as nobility, something fierce.
I am here to be entertained. Me valuing entertainment is moral and right; you trying to stop all entertainment from existing is immoral and wrong. It is that simple.
>"based on a true story" crap,
Nope, it based on written science doesn't mean it based on true story, you just want to place your moronic narrative.
Flying cars doesn't exist as normal transportation yet in 2023, doesn't mean they are not allowed to make fiction based on that.
>Flying cars doesn't exist as normal transportation yet in 2023, doesn't mean they are not allowed to make fiction based on that.
Yes it does. Because otherwise people are just gonna thing flying cars are real.
>my question is--why does space have to be inherently the domain of sci-fi?
Because it's outer fricking space. Which, in case you hadn't heard, is a real thing. Magic is not.
>Imagine a-ACK!
Imagine my wiener down your throat. Nobody cares about your shitty homebrew trash. There's nothing "fun" or "imaginative" or what have you about forcing two things together that do not belong.
The fricking irony of Ganker, which often decries interbreeding as a heinous abomination, wanting to mix and match incompatible genres. Hypocrisy on Ganker? Must be a day ending in Y.
People are a real thing.
Should stories not contain people who don't exist now?
Should stories never portray events that didn't happen, even when clearly presented as human?
Where does it end?
fantasy also incorporates things that are inscrutably real. Some are arguably more grounded in reality than a lot of sci-fi.
The reason i brought up Aristotelian space is that it is a representation of space that has nothing to do with modern science but is rooted in a dated form of scientific thought. What would you call a setting that takes place in this version of space if not fantasy?
picrel is from "A True Story," an ancient Roman novel by Lucian involving men traveling to other planets to fight mechanical monsters, widely regarded as the first science fiction story ever written.
>What would you call a setting that takes place in this version of space if not fantasy?
I would call that wanky garbage that I could not begin to care less about because it's not fricking real.
Also, is pointing out that the Romans were a bunch of moronic degenerates supposed to be conveying some manner of point? Cause if so, I ain't seeing it.
Okay, keep consigning yourself to extinction.
No, it in fact does not count, because you're being a disingenuous moron. Those stupid ass gimmick vehicles are not what anyone means by 'flying car' and you know it.
>NO YOU DON'T GET IT IF YOU DON'T BECOME A THOUGHTLESS DRONE YOU WILL DOOM HUMANITY
>thinks being properly educated equates to being a thoughtless drone
Again, anti-intellectualism is basically a religion now.
>if you're "properly educated" you'll see that anything more than the bare minimum is actually bad for you trust me bro I'm really smart
I will not eat the bugs
>I could not begin to care less about because it's not fricking real
there is not a single instance of science fiction that is real. there are stories that attempt to envision "realistic" futures for humanity but all of it is abstracted in one form or another for the sake of narrative.
It is also disingenuous to present science as an unflinching monolithic entity that will never ever change or stand up to scrutiny. Just because pre-modern civilizations had the wrong idea about space doesn't mean our understanding of the universe is infinitely comprehensive. Our model of the universe is still reliant on multiple "unknowns" (like the relationship between gravity and the other fundamental forces of the universe, dark energy, etc.) that, when understood, might completely disprove our current views of the universe, just as the heliocentric model deprecated the aristotelian model of the universe. In such a case, all your concerns about accurately reflecting the universe is absolutely for nothing because, if fiction serves only to reflect our understanding of the world, all contemporary works will become utterly meaningless once our questions for the universe become answered and you no different to the rest of the "uneducated swine" of humanity.
>And here we go right back to the Not My Problem Principle. Bloo hoo, I'm just one person, I can't do anything a bloo hoo
Literally yes, you dumb frick.
I am one person. You are one person. Humans aren't a hive mind. Most people can enact almost no change on the world. This isn't a failing, this isn't something worth fighting; it's just reality.
>
Yes, the VR is the science part and pass that we got the fiction part.
Again are you pretending to be moronic?
Mother fricking Frankestion was not real because you can't resusrect a fricking corpse with power of thunder electricity, that's why it called science FICTION.(You)
>>hurr hurr, it's FICTION tho!
YOU ASKING SCIFI EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT REALITY STOP ASKING SCIFI WHICH IS LITERAL MEANING IS SCIENCE "FICTION" YOU DUMB FRICK!
ARE ACTION HERO MOVIE BASED ON REALITY?
CAN ONE MAN KILL OVER 100 VILLAINS WITH SIMILAR ARSENAL AND SURVIVED THE WHOLE ORDEAL?
NO, BECAUSE ITS NOT FRICKING REAL YOU DUMB FRICK!
>It literally fricking does! There are actual, real human fricking beings who unironically believe that Thanos is a real person who actually exists.
And it's not my responsibility to give a frick what CLEARLY FICTIONAL PREMISES do to FRICKING DROOLING moronS!
I will not give up WELL WRITTEN FICTION to the end of protecting people who cannot be trusted anyway! If they weren't fixated on fiction, they'd fixate on SOMETHING FRICKING ELSE!
So tv should just be reality shows like big brother?
>We've seen VR in real life. It's fricking trash, and extremely does not work that way.
Yeah, and the question was Scifi without magic.
Are you pretending to be moronic? what part of Science fiction suddenly changed to "Science reality"?
Hello??? Science Fiction? Sci-Fi?
They should have stuck with this original premise of computing power, made the agents possessing people make more sense
The sequel doesn't exist.
Scifi generally runs on deliberately poorly explained science to hide the magic. Even hard scifi does they just hide it better. All fiction runs on a lie
Hence the fiction part.
They making a fiction movie, not a documentary.
And as such you can't excise magic from it
I never said they can, but they premise was based on Science.
Not orcs and firebolt.
Lalah is like newtype Jesus and any hope of peace between Earthnoids and Spacenoids died with her, no she had exceptional abilities as a newtype
a virtual reality construct that's nigh indistinguishable from reality via a plug in one's brain
It is scifi, yes?
Since when VR count as magic?
Farming humans for energy in a giant VR simulation is magic, since it couldn't possibly have a net positive return
gundam, unless you count nationalism as magic
The Expanse at least until the mystery of the proto-molecule begins to unfold
I watched a couple episodes and it seemed interesting but i hear the show goes to shit GoT style, are the books a ok read?
smooth brained OP. The game literally has guns, moron.
>OP is unironically a Kafkalet
Either that or OP never actually played the game.
>non neutonian space movement in my sci fi?!
>how dare
>why is there peanut butter in my chocolate
>i can't believe Reese's pieces would do this
This is how the homosexuals in this thread sound. Just don't fricking watch it. Problem solved.
>You are not allowed to make Scifi story about wormhole traveling because no human ever travel into one before and it just a theory, its not realistic nor scientific.
lmao, nerd.
my question is--why does space have to be inherently the domain of sci-fi?
i can see why anon would think that way since there aren't a lot of obvious examples of space-themed fantasy games but really it is so completely arbitrary.
Imagine a fantasy game in the style of Dante's Paradiso taking place in the Aristotelian model of space. Surely since it follows a historical model of the universe that doesn't hold up to modern scrutiny it wouldn't be considered science fiction yes?
>Go do something valuable with your dishwater life.
>While posting on the trash bin of the internet.
Lmao what a low effort shitpost, no free (you) for you.
guns are lame unless they're like some comically oversized revolver or something
Is the hard scifi sperg STILL here screeching after eight straight hours?
I love my wife March 7th!
>people are just gonna thing flying cars are real.
The first flying car was invented in 1917 albeit not practical, it still exist.
You won't get no more free (you ) from me and people who actually responding this moron are either samegayging are actually more moronic than this clown
> if all media must be historically accurate documentaries, I'll fricking take it if it results in the populace being less stupid.
>Doesn't know that flying car exist before BttF movie exist.
Oh the irony.
>Here a fact based on reality
>NO!!! THEY ARE NOT REAL BECAUSE THEY NOT SIMILAR TO FICTION CREATION IN MOVIES
lmao, first he complained that scifi making people dumb, now he complained because the reality doesn't looks as interesting as fiction.
Why you moron still entertaining this clown by giving him free (you)?
>Flying car is not real
>why?
>BECAUSE I SAID SO
LMAOOOOOOOOOO, so people who lived before BttF movie exist who calling it a flying car doesn't count
This clown is keep getting moronic by any seconds.
>desperately ignoring the actual point in favor of posting fricking emojis
>has no real argument
>devolves into racism
I accept your concessions.
>bro all of science and technology is hamstrung by people who use hypotheses
>WHAT? israeliteS? COOL IT WITH THE ANTISEMITISM BRO
Wow, there's a fricking stretch. You pull a muscle doing that? Yes, there is a world wide conspiracy to moron technology, but it's among the ultra wealthy, not any specific racial demographic. Dumbass. Real conspiracies aren't anywhere near as exciting nor as validating of your racist bullshit as you'd like to think.
Those things are not flying cars no matter how much you insist upon it. Also, you type weird, and it's really annoying.
>Yes, there is a world wide conspiracy to moron technology, but it's among the ultra wealthy
Which happens to overlap with israelites.
Massively.
In your diseased excuse for a brain, sure.
And until that knowledge of the universe is altered, stories should reflect our current understanding. Because otherwise, you are peddling lies and actively making the populace dumber.
>all stories should be about real people doing the things they actually did in real life
your mentally ill inability to distinguish fiction from reality isn't endearing in the slightest
And your refusal to accept the objective fact that said fiction is ruining civilization is really damn frustrating.
Blaming fiction for ruining civilization is hilariously off base. Fiction is a fact of humanity; if it causes civilizations to fall then so fricking be it.
Hm. Well I suppose we can agree on that at the very fricking least.
There we go. You literally cannot stop humans from making fiction; if you (somehow) turn out right and fiction does end civilization, then this civilization would not have been able to carry humanity all the way regardless. Only a civilization that can handle fiction can last.
>desperate this much for a free (you)
You just getting BTFO by real life example of science and now you try to back pedal by calling not fiction enough.
Keep give me those free you and samegayging yourself, I can smell the seethe from it.
>Scifi is bad because its not based on realistic written science
>Here a documentary of written science where the fiction based on
>IT DOESN'T COUNT!
Keep saying it...