>almost no dialogue
>no quests
>no cutscenes
>deeper lore and better stories than 99% of RPGs like The Witcher 3
How is this possible?
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>almost no dialogue. >no quests. >no cutscenes
Nothing deep about some chink's disjointed (it's on le purpose) classical fantasy/berserk fanfiction rewritten 5 times during development
Japs have soul
westoids have no soul
Standards are lower these days that’s all.
>Dark Souls
>See that Big Guy?
>He's the big boss! Defeat him!
Skyrim alone is better than any of them
There's no story that gets in the way of GAMEPLAY, and what story there is is sought by the player, if and when they choose.
It's a perfect way to tell a story in a VIDEO GAME, where the PLAYER is in control.
You make a good point. I remember while playing Dark Souls that I started noticing little things in the environment and the designs of the enemies that told me what happened to them. The Souls games are proof that in almost all cases, gameplay is the most important element of a game. The way the Souls games presents its lore and stories is far more intriguing than almost all other RPGs out there.
Gameplay uber alles
checked
I like these games but their "story" and lore is mediocre to say the least. Underwhelming settings that are trumped by Bloodborne and even Sekiro
Stop riding FromSoft's dicks
I prefer mediocre lore in a game you actually play than ""RPGs"" (movies) with 40 hours of cutscenes
There are quests and side quests, OP.
The lore is better than most. Story is better basic. Literally the story in Lord Of the Rings is “destroy this ring” for 3 movies and it’s great because of what happens around it like the souls games.
Tragic stories create conflict. It’s regrettable it happens so often but what game that gives you 100 hours doesn’t have repeated ideas?
>but what game that gives you 100 hours doesn’t have repeated ideas?
All Souls games' story seems like a rehash of Demon's Souls to me tbtbh senpai. Elden Ring might as well be Dark Souls 4 if you changed Outer Gods with something Lord Souls.
Yea the game share similar themes. Miyazaki likes making new stories and building on the previous game without numbering them so he has more freedoms. It’s like if final fantasy games had different names when the story changes and some items change. It’s normal for game devs to do this.
It’s not that bad. Some of it was rushed because there are studios behind him pushing for a game to come out and funding ran out. LoTR’s creator just had to focus on writing a story and had time, he didn’t have to figure out mechanics or direct the art department or make cuts for a deadline.
Also if you think it’s terrible then you’re disingenuous. It’s better than most games. It’s not perfect nor amazing but it isn’t bad. Comes off and a hate bandwagon.
Behind its story LotR has a lifetime's worth of lore and worldbuilding written for it. FromSoft games' lores are a frankenstein's monster result thanks to cutting content and reassembling it in the last minute. It's better to pretend there's no lore instead
>deeper lore and better stories
>dabs over the whole industry in a single decade
THE GOAT!
lore is not a story
You just don't get how DEEP solesgaygism is
That only for a single song.
And?
>Lore
You mean fricking post-it notes written by George? Find a bridge man.
Pic related is why the "storytelling" in Souls games works for so many people. The plot/setting is just whatever you make of it while playing.
Why does the Witcher have hobbits, dwarves and elves? They don't fit the setting at all. The author should have just stuck to slavic folklore and classic fairytales.
>Why does the Witcher have hobbits, dwarves and elves?
So the writer can talk about racism and show how horrible it is, but without including black people in it. Humans treat the other races like shit
>So the writer can talk about racism
Gerald exists though. Witchers are seen as subhumans in Witcher universe.
Most aren't born witchers, as far as I'm aware. Easier to get the analogy across with a different race of beings.
>Most aren't born witchers
None of the witchers are born as witchers. Yet they went through mutations when they were kids. Seems redundant to turn it into another Tolkien world for no reason.
>Seems redundant to turn it into another Tolkien world for no reason.
Sure, but that's irrelevant to the point I was making.
Why do you think he included those other races then?
>Why do you think he included those other races then?
>Easier to get the analogy across with a different race of beings.
Sure, but why use races from Tolkien's novels that themselves were taken from germanic mythology. Sapkowski already had Witchers, sorcerers and sapient monsters that could fit the same purpose. He could also alternatively create races based on slavic myths.
>How is this possible?
Miyazaki is a homosexual but he cares about his little game, is that simple
>almost no dialogue
>no quests
>no cutscenes
>deeper lore and better stories than 99% of RPGs like The Witcher 3
How is this possible?
>deeper lore and better stories.
Not if you never heard of them and no im not watching 6hours worth of lore on youtube you moron
Is the DeS remake worth 30 bucks?
You should play the original. It's not that outdated.
I have played it many times.
No way I would pay 30 bucks for a remake, one I don't appreciate either. Max 10 bucks for me, 15 on a good day
nta but are there gameplay differences between the original and the remake?
DARK SOULS 2 AND 3 HAVE NOTHING CONNECTING BOSSES TO EACH OTHER.
DARK SOULS 1 HAS ENEMIES THAT ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED AND A SOLID THROUGHLINE. ELDEN RING BOSSES ARE INTERCONNECTED BUT IT SUFFERS FROM THE NORMAL ENEMIES NOT HAVING ANY PARTICULAR REASON TO BE WHERE THEY ARE.
Miyazaki is a great writer
>deeper lore and better stories than 99% of RPGs like The Witcher 3
Name a single shallower rpg.
These trash games are the Nolan movies of the videogame industry
>These trash games are the Nolan movies of the videogame industry
Complete bullshit. Nolan makes blockbuster movies for the lowest common denominator. Nolan equivalents in the video game industry are obviously Sony exclusives like God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted and more. You know games, where you expect dudebros to go "woow dude, did you see that?". All flash and pretentiousness.
A lot of people never played Dark Souls long enough, because they couldn't handle the difficulty and the complete lack of cutscenes and handholding. You're thrown into Souls games and you're being told to go figure out things on your own. Not to mention that Souls games, especially Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3 have that distinctive Japanese flavor that a lot of westerners don't like
>A lot of people never played Dark Souls long enough, because they couldn't handle the difficulty and the complete lack of cutscenes and handholding.
?
you can get carried by coop players or just grind if you're bad. all the games have tutorials and Elden Ring literally has an ingame map. every souls game is easier than Unsharted on Crushing btw.
They don't need all that filler. They do something better than all those other RPG. They have great gameplay and level design.
cut scenes and dialogue suck.
>very little dialogue
>almost all of the dialogue is important or has some significance, keeping the player interested whenever they talk to an NPC
This alone makes it better than 90% of modern RPGs where there's so much filler dialogue just for the sake of padding things out. It's so boring when you meet a new npc and they just start rambling on about their daily life and you know that none of it has any relation to the main story.
>deep lore
5 word item descriptions aren't deep lore, no matter how long the youtuber talks about them for. You can't make a shit game with a shit story and say "oh the lore of so deep, the origin of this dagger goes back thousands of years". That's not part of the game
>How is this possible?
Because ESL youtubers and vatividya told me
seethe
ESL kino
He made that shitty book seem amazing but the original is literally unreadable. What are some other books that give the dark souls vibe?
I played and finished them all and I have absolutely no fricking idea what is going on in any of those games
>Fantastic VA and written dialogue
>incredibly immersive "show don't tell" environmental storytelling and setpieces.
These are some of my favorite games but I played ER for the fifth time and the formula feels a bit exhausting after 5 iterations.
I really only enjoy DeS and Sekiro from this lineup.
>extremely expansive, vast and varied plot with lots and lots of side plots that fit together to form the big picture
>a lot is told through dialogue and straightfoward text, but lots and lots and lots of it is told through environmental storytelling or more vague messages
>despite that, the story manages to be 100% concise and coherent, forming a full picture with no significant plotholes and random unexplained bullshit
t.pic unrelated
name one significant flaw with the plot
Theres no plot you dimwit. It's basic as frick and it's a rip off of whats been done before
>theres no plot
you havent played the game
>rips off whats..
name literally one game
>name literally one game
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The game story is shit. It steals real kino and rehashes it into some vague Gankereddit soulless trash. They only make their story vague because they know if they implemented a real story it will be subpar. The only good thing they can do is make decent character/level concepts thats about it. The gameplay is arpg slop. Arpg have the worse combat in gaming history, and yes its worse that turn base combat. Most of the bosses are terrible the only game i remember with decent bosses was dark souls 1.