>Almost/close to PS4-tier hardware
>Not even on-par or a little above
Will this be the largest gap in hardware and the farthest Nintendo had been behind console history? They already barely get anything that's not 4+ year old ports and remasters as it is.
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Reminder, ESL-poster are moron.
Oh no you sure got the bilingual man there.
Learning another language takes at minimum 3000w it's proof of intelligence on its own
You could have just called out his error
Gonna cry
Chalk up another gen win for nintendo
for one, it probably has to do with battery life as a handheld. for two, frick ultrarealism, gameplay is more important.
for three, nintendo exclusives are why nintendo consoles sell. get a pc for multiplat
>ultrarealism
You don't just need processing power for realism, Switch can't even run flipping Genshin. Most of ToTK looks absolutely barren, the game can't handle proper amounts of foliage
Genshin can easily run on the switch though? There's already a hack for it. It's just not official because Sony has exclusive rights to it.
Is that really the only reason Genshin isn’t on switch? Fricking gay Sony doing gay Sony shit to a cellphone game.
and switch 2 is going to be more powerful than switch 1. you think the Xbox 360 had shit graphics? cause switch 2 is supposed to be more powerful than that if its aiming at the ps4.
any issues beyond that are optimization problems.
genshin does run on the switch esl
Don't bother. Nintendo fans just like pretending non dogshit hardware only matters for realism so they don't have to acknowledge all the problems. They ignore all the stylized games that look 100x better than Nintendo's like Hi-Fi Rush and R&C. They also pretend visuals are the only thing that better hardware improves. If Nintendo made better hardware, Bayonetta 3 and TOTK wouldn't run like shit.
>autistic screeching fanboy homosexualry
How are the games running on your PS5?
Not him, but this generation proved to me games on consoles are ALWAYS going to run like shit. No matter the hardware.
When Series X and PS5 were announced, I was sure 60 FPS would become the bare minimum this generation; and competitive games would ever run at 120 FPS. These consoles are so fast, there's NO WAY games are going to struggle to reach 30 FPS, right?
And then Redfall happened. And then FF16 happened. And now Starfield is going to run at 30 FPS as well.
>Switch can't even run flipping Genshin
Wrong. Snoy paid to keep it away from the other platforms.
can it run without overclocking though?
Games like Genshin can't run because moden dev teams can't optimize, they just use the power of the hardware to be lazy and write shit code. Ninty is the only exception, and even then it's because they refuse to actually make systems that have any power at all so they need to optimise to make games run at all.
graphics matter too, totk had performance issues that any other game would get torn apart for, but when it's zelda it has to be a masterpiece and any discussion of the game has to conform to that idea
I don't even like botw or totk. but the switch 2 is supposed to be more powerful, so I'm guessing it will handle your issues. you people act like the ps4 was ugly trash and not the point where we should have stopped pursuing realism.
>switch 2 is supposed to be more powerful, so I'm guessing it will handle your issues
Except the Switch 2 will have to play 2030 games and by that point, the PS4 will be 17 years old.
NTA, but I feel graphics are peaking. If the switch 2 can handle stuff like witcher 3 then it will be fine because I'm not playing slop like FF16 on it anyways.
Except graphics are absolutely crucial on a handheld which is a generation or more behind. In a years' time, Nintendo might have some actual competition in the form of a more refined X86 handheld, especially if the system gets cracked again.
>it will be fine because I'm not playing
nobody gives a shit about you mate. People don't want 30fps ports of 10 year old PC games on a current gen console and if Nintendo repeat their strategy, they might lose a lot of customers. For most Nintendo buyers, lower fidelity is fine, but their game output hasn't been spectacular these past few years and I highly doubt the next gen Pokemon/Animal Crossing/Smash titles will move as much hardware units as they did for the Switch.
>It's probably going to be considered pretty fast for a handheld
yeah that's the main problem. It won't be. It will be slower than AMD's Z1 extreme but have better battery life and portability. Unlike the Switch, the successor won't have the title of most powerful handheld (or even the only handheld console on the market) which was a main selling point for the console.
>But I guess this applies to all consoles, portable or not. PS3 and Xbox 360 were absolute beasts at launch; by 2010, they were garbage compared to an average PC.
It's going to happen to PS5 and Series X as well.
This is absolutely no way comparable to the Switch or Switch 2 which are basically running 2005 and (allegedly) 2013 hardware respectively. The Switch managed to run with it because it was the only handheld on the market and had a seriously good gimmick coupled with a strong game lineup. I doubt developers would want to put up with more of Nintendo's shit when they can just release PC versions and be done with it.
>competition
>x86 handhelds
So the same as the original Switch.
When the Switch launched, it used a 3-year old GPU architecture (Nvidia Maxwell, 2014). It was considered pretty fast for a handheld at launch, but it fell more and more behind as time went on. To the point a low-to-mid range PC can now emulate Switch games at a higher resolution and framerate.
If the Switch 2 launches this year, it's going to use a 3-year old GPU architecture (Nvidia Ampere, 2020). It's probably going to be considered pretty fast for a handheld, [...]
But I guess this applies to all consoles, portable or not. PS3 and Xbox 360 were absolute beasts at launch; by 2010, they were garbage compared to an average PC.
It's going to happen to PS5 and Series X as well.
When the switch launched the Tegra it was based on was already discontinued. But it held its own because it turned out Nintendo's OS+graphics API was rather efficient compared to Android+OpenGL/Vulkan and we got impressive things on Switch compared to the dogshit ports that existed on the shield.
Similar to the PS5, it's an older RDNA on a low-spec APU but because of architectural inefficiencies in the PC it's managing to embarrass nVidia's laughingly misnamed "mid-range" GPUs. Of course, this is because nVidia is shitting up the market and not because somehow PC is dying, but this is why despite being "just PCs" the modern consoles are doing okay, even 3 years in because windows+DX/Vulkan are just THAT bad.
A Switch 2 should be able to hold its own for a number of years since they've already proven their API is good enough, and they support Vulkan for the lazy, and they'll get the handheld bonus multiplier.
We only want teraflops here anon. Give me a single metric to shout about
>Graphics matter
>For example, this game that everyone loves and is selling like hotcakes has bad graphics.
How are the FF16 sales?
There are frame dips but at no point did I feel like it mattered much. The game is entirely playable, which is nearly a miracle for an underpowered tablet with a 7 year old processor. Pokemon on the other hand... There were zones in that game that are literally unplayable with lag
Wouldnt mind scaling back graphics 5 years if we got some real fricking gameplay on something
It's a handheld you clown, you expect a handheld to have the PS5 power? Have you seen the size of that fricking thing?
There's a deluded anon believing that the Switch 2 would be on par with the Xbox Series S, which is insane. The Series S is probably 3x or 4x more powerful than a Steam Deck, and I don't even know if there's any handheld currently that has that difference from the Deck, and if it does, it'll probably cost over $1000.
The Switch 2 will probably be on par with Deck, which is basically a 800p PS4. The Switch 2 is going to be a 720p PS4.
it's going to be more underpowered than a PS4, cost more than a Series S, and it will still sell millions and get praise from gaming journalists.
cope
It will cos more than a Steam Deck while barely being as powerful as a wii u.
Only poorgays care about cost
Unless you are old Money you care
>old money is not having to worry about $400
Lmao
No, if a console has games I want I buy it
The thing hasn't even launched and snoys are already coping.
Coping is all they have after yet another disappointing "exclusive" launch.
I mean, is he wrong? It's probably going to be slower than a PS4, cost more than a Series S, and sell very well. Nothing he said is unrealistic.
>They already barely get anything that's not 4+ year old ports and remasters as it is.
You're thinking of PS5 and Series X.
>Take a 10+ year old PC game
>censor it for “modern audiences”
>install 4k texture mod
>charge $75 for the “remake”
Snoy and Microwiener are creatively bankrupt
Oh I thought you were talking about Tears of the Kingdom
reminder that this will be getting Call of Duty games for 10 years. Not streamed, native ports.
Yes, but they will be shitty downgrades made just to satisfy EU anti-monopoly regulations.
>They already barely get anything that's not 4+ year old ports and remasters as it is.
and yet they keep breaking records and making insane profit. face it dude it doesnt matter what they do theyll win.
I haven’t had a Nintendo console since the Wii but this shit is moronic. The Xbox and PS5 are way more powerful but neither of them have any games. Who gives a shit about power when you only have a handful of exclusives and half of the are nusoi?
I’m not into bing bing wahoo so the switch doesn’t interest me, but at least it has games. I’ve never seen console gaming in this poor of a state in general.
>The Xbox and PS5 are way more powerful but neither of them have any games
They do though. Stuff like Elden Ring, RE4 Remake, AC6, SF6, and more. Stuff the Switch 97% don't have. And no, them being exclusive or not doesn't matter. You know what grand exclusives the Switch has? Shit like Fashion Dreamer and Disney Illusion Island. No-one is clamoring to play those shovelware rather than those listed previously that aren't on the Switch just because they're exclusive.
>Stuff like Elden Ring, RE4 Remake, AC6, SF6, and more. Stuff the Switch 97% don't have.
those games are on PC too
PC doesn't appeal to everybody so it counts
The point is they aren't on the Switch. And they're 100x more desired than majority of the exclusives the Switch offers.
I'm sure street fighter could work on switch. re4r is a downgrade, elden ring sucks, armored core 6 isn't out and was never on nintendo
>And they're 100x more desired than majority of the exclusives the Switch offers.
Now see the sales don't say that and that's why Nintendo doesn't hurt for 3rd party support. Especially after they got burned by the companies they thought they were friends with during the N64 era.
All of those could run on Switch.
And Mario Kart 8 alone outsold all of those combined twice over.
b-b-but m-m-muh u-u-ultra r-r-realistic m-m-movie g-g-game g-g-gwafix! with 4k and 120 fps!
>The point is they aren't on the Switch
That's fine. My switch has a dozen or so games that my other platforms won't ever get as well
>They're 100x more desired
Lol. Elden Ring was great. But, ToTK will blow it away in sales, and it's only available on 1 platform compared to, what? 7? So, you couldn't be more wrong.
None of those games support the 'more powerful' hardware, as they're available on consoles from a gen prior.
>implying
anon please......get better taste m8.........
Nintendo knows that their demographic doesn't buy their consoles to play those types of games. They buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.
>Elden Ring
>AC6
Literal PS3 tier graphics.
>SF6
If Capcom managed to make SF4 run on the 3DS, they could make a Switch version of SF6.
> And no, them being exclusive or not doesn't matter.
Personally speaking if I can play a game on PC I’m not buying the console version.
>And no, them being exclusive or not doesn't matter
That’s literally the crux of his argument you dumb bastard. When you list non exclusives available on pc as a reason to buy a console it’s grim.
>PS4 game, Gamecube game, AC6, 2D fighting game
wow, you tried 4 times and only named 1 video game that might actually require a quarter of the power modern systems have.
Making technology smaller without losing performance is always expensive and difficult. It's much easier to make something powerful when it's big
? I mean I guess they're the only company but
Lol nothing made for ue5 will run on anything lower than a 2080 the pis5 and shitbox will run at 720p 30fps
I still can't believer Witcher 3 runs on Switch.
Check out Alien Isolation. That one's a jaw dropper. If you check out the comparison (and if I remember correctly) it apparently has the PS4 and XOne versions beat in somethings, and those already looked amazing.
The PS4/Xbone versions had a lot of shimmering and the Switch version "fixes" it by using stronger (read: softens the image more) post-process AA.
It's not a bad looking game, but people forget it was a cross-gen game released for 360 and PS3. The Switch port isn't that impressive, considering. Most 360/PS3 to Switch ports are fine.
I'm curious to see how Arkham Knight is gonna look on the Switch, that game was actually visually incredible when it released and still holds up
You're side-stepping that the Switch version performs comparably to the PS4 and XOne versions, not the prior generation ones. It's regarded as having the best IQ of the bunch, is typically 1080p docked, and has a steady framerate while retaining reflections and having load times that are similar to its PS4 counterpart. As a port, it's exceptional in not just performance, but in how much it maintains relative to the best versions on console hardware. It's not an approximation of other versions with clear deficits and even manages to have advantages. The game is visually great to begin with to top it off, which really adds to the impression. I don't know of any Switch port that's more impressive off the top of my head when compared to the versions featured on much more capable hardware.
You can almost get used to it after long enough.
Almost.
And CP77 couldn't run on a PS5. That port was done by their talented devs on their way out. Glad they released the Next-gen upgrade, had they waited a couple years it would have been downgraded
The game looks like ass and drops to sub 480p constantly. Current Switch gives me that late Wii era vibe where people were praising the console just for being capable of still running games
It's a rock solid 720p
> almost as powerful as ps4
So weaker than a steam deck? I guess they're prioritizing form factor and battery.
They're prioritizing fun chud!
It'll be much weaker than a Steam Deck, it's probably going to run at 1/3 of the TDP in handheld mode. And around the same performance in docked mode.
The Switch was as fast as a PS3/Xbox 360. It'll run previous-gen games at 1080p/60 FPS just fine, as long as developers bother to patch them to remove hard resolution/framerate caps.
Why did it struggle to run Ezio trilogy, ACIV and Darksider 2 at 30fps?
those weren't straight 360/ps3 ports. they were remasters for the next gen and most likely weren't optimized well for switch
A similar optimization issue happened to several Vita ports of PS2 games that were based on PS3 remasters, where draw distance and model LODs were radically changed for PS3 and not changed back for Vita, leading to very shitty ports that ran worse than the original PS2 versions on significantly better hardware.
Nah. From the data stolen from Nvidia we know it will be on par with Deck in handheld mode (+DLSS +games optimized for the hardware) and will far surpass it in docked mode.
>The Switch was as fast as a PS3/Xbox 360
Switch is over 2x faster than PS360, has 8x the RAM and better CPU. And that's just paper specs. Even MS in their court documents said Switch has effective power of 1/2 XBOne
>From the data stolen from Nvidia we know it will be on par with Deck in handheld mode
Nah. We already know of RDNA2 and Ampere perform, it's not some secret yet-to-be-released technology.
It's probably going to be somewhat close in performance at 15W, but Nintendo is never ever going to release a handheld that runs at 15W. Or 10W for that matter. It's probably going to run at 5W like the original Switch, and then overclock to like 10-12W when docked.
In other words slower in handheld mode, similar in docked mode. But DLSS is going to help a lot with upscaling, especially when docked.
>Switch is over 2x faster than PS360
It has more and faster RAM, and this helps a ton in videogames. Lack of memory was THE main bottleneck during the PS360 era of videogames.
I'm not entirely sure about GPU and CPU. In handheld mode I mean, when docked it's definitely faster.
Doesn't matter, tendies don't care about hardware.
Or games.
They just want to consume tendieschlop, whatever the cost.
It's pretty much the best case scenario considering the diminishing returns of the PS5 and Series X as well as the fact that almost every single game on either is cross gen. About as powerful as the PS4 massively expands the 3rd party support window with regards to ease of porting contemporary games, and the Switch was already getting a lot of them anyway.
>nooo it's only a handheld ps4!! epic fail!!!
moron
Seeing what being ahead gets us I don't think it really matters how "behind" it is
Diminishing returns.
They sell cardboard and people buy it.
>people buy it.
Didn't this tank?
Just the first kit alone did almost 1.5 million units up to the end of 2021. given they sell for more than a normal game's MSRP and that there are multiple versions, I doubt it.
I kinda wanted this for the tamagotchi minigame
Im a sucker for epets
People didn't buy it though. That's why they stopped selling it.
So does your local pizza place, moron. You don't spend that money for the cardboard, you spend it for the experience. The quality time around friends and family. Fishing sound effects to drown out your wife getting fricked in the other room. The smiles while you play.
jesus christ
Nintendo also told people to just download the free templates to use whatever cardboard they had lying around. Anyone still confused by Labo is just a snoy buttmad that Labo destroyed snoy wonderbook and Toio
Kotick doesn't even know what the specs are. All he said is that he expects it to be near PS4/xbox one. For a board that hates games journalism, you homosexuals like to parrot a bunch of moronic journalism around.
it's nvidia so if it has DLSS that will make it better
also fricking god of war ragnarok still runs on regular ps4 hardware and that level of graphics is fine
i dont care as long as it is backwards compatible and hopefully comes with hall sensor joycons
i know the exclusives will be great just like switch
It's probably just be identical joycons with rebranding like Dualshock did.
If you want see why a more powerful handheld is a bad thing look at the ROG ally's battery life. Most anon's here think it's easy ploping good hardware into a small form factor without taking into consideration battery life, cost of manufacturing, shell size and heat.
The ROG ally also has a dog shit ui running windows natively, which is completely unoptimitzed for a gaming handheld.
>almost as good as decade old hardware
so it won't even run BotW at 1080p60?
>emulatorgay doesn't know the difference between emulation and running natively
Many such cases.
>Will this be the largest gap in hardware and the farthest Nintendo had been behind console history?
No? It's one gen behind, which is pretty standard. Also, the GBA was like 2 gens behind (Snes power during the PS2/GCN gen.)
anything over 720p is a meme especially for a handheld system
1. That's not what was said.
2. Kotick said "closed alignment to gen 8 (than Switch)", which goes from 1.3TF Xbox One to 6TF Xbox One X.
3. Kotick also said he doesn't know the actual specs
4. The email which included the discussed conversation was from 2019
5. We've also known the specs since the Nvidia hack in 2020:
>T239 chip has 1536 Ampere Cuda cores, 48 Tensor cores, 12 RT cores and 128bit memory bus
>T239 uses a single cluster, 8 core CPU (likely pointing to Cortex-A78C)
At current Switch clocks that results in 1.4TF portable and 2.3TF docked + DLSS on top of all that.
6x stronger GPU than Switch and CPU that runs circles around PS4's Jaguar
Thats not in an easily digestible screencap anon.
Stop eating pictures.
Frick nintendo. Who wants to play their casualized baby games
Everyone apparently.
>hurr durr 720 bad!
you are looking at a handheld screen
what it needs is better performance than switch, which it will most likely have
>almost
>over 30 years since NES vs Genesis
>morons still insisting that you need top-end specs for a system to be good
It's holding the industry back despite Nintendo seemingly doing their own thing for twenty years.
"holding the industry back" ? Xbox and Playstation are all about MUH SYSTEM SPECS, it's just Nintendo that knows better and just focuses on making fun games instead of circlejerking around MUH GRAFIX MUH FRAMERATE MUH RTX MUH RAY TRACING
Learn to read redditors
you sure know a lot about reddit
Good thing Sony and Microsoft make good hardware so all the other companies can put their fun games on their platforms without any problems.
The most fun games are indies and Nintedo games because they don't spend all their budget on graphics and focus more on gameplay. Good guy Nintendo is saving the industry from the scourge of graphics prostitutes.
how is it holding the industry back?
>reddit moment
Sorry there was no /s. Couldn't be more fricking obvious.
>sarcastically insult nintendo
>rabid fanboys jump down your throat
wild
It's the reverse of insulting you esl moron
See
Ironically, it's OPEN WORLD GRAFIX that are holding the industry back. Dev cycles are getting out of control.
Reading comprehension, please.
He's saying that Nintendo "holding back the industry" is baseless.
>Ironically, it's OPEN WORLD GRAFIX that are holding the industry back. Dev cycles are getting out of control.
At the dawn of the 6th gen everyone was complaining that games were just long corridors, flailing FF X, MGS3 and Zelda TP as examples
People got their wish I guess
Just like how Nintendo selling better than the others means they're better than everyone else, but also you can't shit on their hardware because uuh they're doing their own thing, and uuuh switch is a handheld and targeting a different audience.
Don't get upset over shitposting anon
Nintendo was bragging about having the superior hardware back then, it's like this board only has children that know nothing but Wii era Nintendo anymore
>To have decent experience you have to emulate
Great move 'tendo.
At least there are no good games on switch so I don't have to bother.
Yeah, Ganker is especially stupid when it comes to this topic. See:
Are you dumb anon?
FRICK THE SWITCH!
Almost as powerful as a PS4...so what? It's about as good as the shitty ass Xbox One then?
Will it be backwards compatible? I've been considering a switch but can also wait if so
No? The Switch has been competing with the PS5 and SeriesX for 3 years already and it still sells more despite the vast difference. Games make a console
b-but muh 4k 120fps ultra realistic movie game gwafix!
i avoided switch but i will probably get switch 2, games are supposed to be fun not gay
CASUALIZED BABY GAMES
The PS4 is about as powerful as a console really needs to be tbh, if devs need more to make a good game, that's their problem
>t. PS4gay who refuses to upgrade
I'm still using my launch PS4. Shit like GoT looks amazing and runs brilliantly too.
isn’t it at 30fps tho. i’ve been waiting for the ps5 slim to play it at 60
>TFW parents finances went to shit today
>Gonna have to pay double rent for a year to keep house.
Either it gets a PC port or I await the PS6.
>everyone talking about graphics
who gives a frick? Let's talk about some actual features that the Switch obviously isn't getting because its on its way out. Let us message our friends for god's sake and have party chat and backgrounds on the console again. Everything they did with the 3DS in terms of features should be applied to whatever this Switch 2 turns out to be because the interface is boring and lifeless it looks like the fricking login screen for Netflix I hate the Switch UI.
Chatting and social interactions are gimped on consoles now because all the console makers realized that hosting and moderating social media that kids use is a complete nightmare.
It's NEVER going back to how it used to be.
Day zero emulation.
Baby games for baby hardware
and the baby games are still way more fun than the movie games for the twitter audience
>says activision
havin fun with all those ps5 exclusives anon?
gaming tech has plateaued, we've proven to ourselves that nothing above ps3 level hardware actually contributes to desigining a good game
1 and 3 are close to 2
Switch can play TW3 at a decent quality IIRC, so I don't really care if it's weaker than a PS4 or whatever as long as the games are good. My only real worry is if it's going to chug, as that did happen a few times during BotW/TotK.
Gaben is based as frick for giving us steam deck. The new Asus switch clone looks even better there has literally never been a better time to be a handheld chad. Playing monhun rise on my steamdeck as we speak Lads it's a good time.
>giving us
Disgusting mentality
but will it be able to play CRPG classics?
Still trying to get rid of that wii u stock
Why do Nintehomies pretend visuals are the only thing non shit hardware improves? If you want to go the "I only care about gameplay route", you're still wrong since better hardware can come with a lot more gameplay possibilities like more enemies on screen, better draw distance, better load-times, etc.
>more enemies on screen
Never happened, you can do more enemies by lowering the visuals. Games with tons of enemies are a thing of the past anyway, only relegated to musou crap, which there are lot of on the Switch.
>better draw distance
Same thing, you don't need full detail on things that are far away, in TOTK you can see fricking everywhere and it looks amazing without fricking up the framerate.
>better load-times
Granted, I can't fricking go back after playing games with almost 0 loading times, they better fricking have a fast storage like the other consoles now.
Name three
>Sony games
better on PC
>Nintendo games
better on PC but after like 5 years so that will be irrelevant as soon as the new system launches
I'll be there day 1 since the Switch first year was phenomenal.
Gatcha you posted is the only thing I wanted to emulate. But it's going to run at sub 60fps no matter the hardware. So I'll pass.
It'll will be more powerful than a PS5 based on architecture advances alone.
Should be near PS4 pro docked and PS4 undocked.
More powerful than a PS4*
That's quite a jump in terms of power between voltage limits
There hasn't been huge advances in the mobile processing space to allow for something like a portable PS4 yet, and unless Nvidia can figure out a way to bring the tdp requirements for ray tracing and dlss down significantly, there won't be
Steam Deck is close to a PS4 in terms of GPU performance, if not a bit faster. And it BTFOs in everything else: RAM, CPU, storage.
The ROG Ally is quite a lot faster than a PS4, despite using "only" RDNA3. Nvidia Lovelace is better than RDNA3.
So not only "PS4 performance on a handheld" has already been done, but it's obsolete even.
both the Deck and the Ally would be more expensive than a Switch 2, so obviously they would perform better.
That Anon said "there hasn't been huge advances in the mobile processing space to allow for something like a portable PS4," which isn't true.
Of course Nintendo is going to cheap out on the hardware, but technologically speaking we can already do much more than a "mere" portable PS4.
>Deck [...] more expensive than a Switch 2
The base model is $399, and drops to $350 during sales. I doubt the Switch 2 is going to be much cheaper than that, considering $350 is how much the Switch OLED is currently selling for.
???
Nah, we already know they're going to use Ampere.
>Nah, we already know they're going to use Ampere.
homie we don't know SHIT it's pure rumours and speculation from unofficial sources
Until Nintendo or NVIDIA says what is powering up the next gen Switch it's PURE SPECULATION
No it's confirmed also Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC in two weeks
>Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC in two weeks
>rumours
>speculation
>unofficial sources
It comes from code leaked from Nvidia's servers. It's 99.9% guaranteed they are going to use that chip.
>Ampere
Nah - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUJtIK94Djc&feature=sharea
The Steam Deck is just a gaming laptop with a different form factor, it's not a proper portable. You can miniaturize a PS4 and attach a screen and controllers to it, doesn't mean you built a portable PS4 if you still need to be tethered to o power socket to play it
>you can make a portable PS4 that runs on batter power, that doesn't make it a portable
cope, etc.
Sony might be stupid enough to release a "portable" with an 1 hour battery life like valve did, Nintendo is never gonna do that
please learn about battery technology and the increasing demands placed upon it by modern hardware, switch's own battery life was/is ridiculed
That's why I said mobile technology isn't there for a proper PS4 portable. You can miniaturize pc parts to build a Steam Deck, but it's not much a portable if you need to lug around a charger to get more than 1 hour of gameplay
~ 2 hrs. minimum running at highest possible power output, Steam Deck is a moron check for battery management and targeted performance settings
*maximum
I am tired
A Switch2 wouldn't necessarily have to run the APU as hard as the steamdeck does. Proton isn't exactly an emulator, but translating DX12 to Vulkan and all the various windows APIs to linux, and then turning the DXVK into the low level code the APU actually runs, not to mention running the linux kernel and associated services on top... that's all overhead a Switch doesn't have.
Even if valve could convince devs to make steamdeck native linux binaries, linux + vulkan is still a LOT of overhead.
But the Switch has a Linux-based OS too, doesn't it? Sure, it must be much more optimized, I don't know....
Based more on Android and OpenBSD than Linux proper
The Switch's battery life was initially good for what it could do. I still have an original and thought I'd get annoyed with battery life, but surprisingly haven't. The revisions have EXCEPTIONAL battery life. A part of picking mobile architecture is something I assume was likely due to the lower power draw requirements for a degree of performance relative to more traditional console solutions and x86.
>Lovelace
Yea I can totally see Nintendo using these despite the low chance of it happening. Nvidia has to sell these things somehow, someone has to buy it
Nintendo gonna brought them
>A company teared and almost buyed by Microsoft knew next Nintendo
Excuse me?
their scrambled words sounds like the court case with activision
another 10 years of sub 20 fps sub 720 gaming Nintendo fans
have fun with your shit visual and shit tier baby games
but console homosexuals have been saying 60fps was the norm since 2013? at least that's what people shitting on starfield were saying
I don't care what the specs are, I just hope Nintendo fricks up security again.
nvidia fricked up that security and nintendo fixed it after it was found iirc
Please tell me why do we need more than PS4 tier hardware?
Photorealistic graphics are more than possible on such hardware.
No we don't need fricking 4k on a tiny fricking handheld.
Just make 8th gen looking games on lower resolutions. You literally don't need more.
the only thing I wanted from 9th gen is the exact same gfx as before but at a consistent 60fps. that’s literally it
if you know what you're doing, the system requirements to make a good game have plateaued years ago.
any extra power is gravy and/or graphics dickmeasuring
no, the game isn't any better if I can see the clogged pores on a characters face, and the development cost for such detail is what is strangling AAA games today
Wii U was technically the furthest behind ever because it was struggling to run 360 and PS3 titles because of the RAM and VRAM wasted for the second screen and remaining on PowerPC while the other consoles went x86. The Wii and Switch at least had the benefit of being 'easy' withered tech for the prior gen studios to transition to.
The Wii U's particular bottleneck that I know of was CPU clockspeed, not the RAM, which was bountiful and excessive compared to the PS360. If I remember right, it facilitated the Wii U version of NFS Most Wanted to get the higher resolution textures seen on PC instead of the ones other consoles got.
Nintendo told IBM to make a custom chip that is 3 overclocked wii cores for backwards compatability
somehow even more baffling than bundeling an expensive overengineered tablet no one actually wanted to make software for
They were (moronicly) going for the 'Wii upgrade' angle, similar to how Apple markets their shit.
They expected everyone that had bought a Wii to buy a Wii U, so they prioritized backwards compatibility.
Hope they prioritize backwards compatibility for the Switch successor too. My Switch lite's thumbstick broke and I'm not buying another whole console.
>mfw trying to repair the switch lite
Those tiny ribbon cables are a real headcase,DO NOT under any circumstances attempt it without tools for the job they will snap,bend,break at the slightest touch ;_;
Even replacing a joycon shell (Extremerate my beloved) was suuuuuper fricking qnnoying, very fiddly piece of electronics.
going for BC was smart but not at the cost of giving your system a lobotomy
The Wii audience wasn't going to upgrade no matter the hardware, that was their issue. They needed to meme people into buying another Wii Sports somehow.
If opening it up is not an issue, you can buy hall effect analog sticks from GuliKit for like $20-30, can't remember. And these are never going to drift.
It was the PowerPC they used rather than not going x86. The PS3 had an over 3GHz out of order PPC core with 6 free SPE vector units. The 360 was a 3+3 in order PPC at over 3GHz as well. The WiiU had a dual core 1.8GHz or so and Nintendo obviously realised how fricked they were because they tried really hard not to tell anyone the speed, and forbid developers from telling anyone. When the console launched people resorted to hacking their WiiUs to try and measure the CPU and when it came out at around <2GHz everyone assumed it was running in a compatibility mode or something. Nope, that's actually how shit it was.
Shame, because the GPU was actually pretty good and could have made for enhanced PS360 games but instead the weak CPU + slowest SSD in the world meant ports were always going to suffer.
I don't need it to be that powerful, they can deliver good butt as is
artstyle(booty) is king, frick fidelity
you're right op... looks like this time, nintendo is done for... for sure this time...
Wouldn't care that much so long as I'm able to play my switch games on it, or can be broken into
It's going to run at a low resolution though so it'll probably be fine.
Hu
I jsut want 60fps now. Give me 720p with 60fps and don't push beyond 8th Gen graphics.
Every gen just follows the same pattern now where power is touted and then three years in they pretend they never said that as everything settles into 30fps again so you buy the next system
Handheld, I mean.
What do you think the screen will be like? I honestly hope they keep it 720p. That's more than enough for the screen size. Will the panel be IPS or OLED? People complain about battery, but the OG Vita had plenty of battery life.
They are going to re-use the same screen as the Switch OLED imo.
I don't think they'll frick around with its size so I expect it to use the OLED display they have already. I actually don't even anticipate a joycon change outside of minor superficial things and maybe a removal of the IR sensor.
I can't go back to non OLED. If it launches without I'm waiting
OLED needs to be standard now. After getting the OLED version I found myself going back and playing a lot of my older games, and they looked absolutely gorgeous.
this is some reddit tier coonsoomer mind break
>t. SteamDeck regretter
It's literally better hardware for almost no extra cost.
Activision never actually said that
Nintendo stopped making powerful hardware after the Gamecube. Also, it’s a hybrid guys, you can not expect it to be powerful, impossible.
All games can run on PS4. PS5 exclusives are marketing to sell the console. Nintendo will be fine because all they need is a Mario, Zelda, Fitness game to sell it
This generation is handcuffed to the Series S anyway.
It should have an 8-core ARM CPU and 8GB GDDR5 at the very least
Modern memory is still expensive, so I'm interested to see how they'd handle this
>They barely get anything
They make their own games anon. They don't have to live off third party support.
2 of their home consoles failed miserably because they lacked third party support. The Switch sold not only because it has many exclusives but also because it is portable and flexible.
Are we just going to pretend like 99% of all PS5 games aren't also on the PS4? And the remaining 1% could have easily been on the PS4 if the devs actually cared to have it on the PS4.
So, it's about as fast as a Steam Deck? That's kinda disappointing.
While other developes try and maximize the number of hair follicles and their protagonist's knuckles Nintendo uses solved hardware to make actually fun games. Fine by me. Pretty much every first party Nintendo game looks stellar visually still because of smart use of limitations and good art direction
>portable ps4 with more modern parts inside
I’d be fine with that. That was the bare minimum
>tendies constantly say that graphics don't matter the gameplay does
>the gameplay is god awful on almost all tendie games
Why do you keep pushing this meme, what even is bad gameplay because most nintendo game always have responsive and intuitive gameplay, there's no bad latency and sticky control, you know what you are supposed to fricking do 1 minute into the game. Or is it just boring to you because its too simple?
To be fair the original quote said the power of the console was close to PS4, which could interpreted to mean slightly more.
Who cares? The Swtich has outsold Anything the competition put out other than PS2 for now. I don't even have a Switch and even I want to buy one sooner than later. Clearly they have done something right.
I'm fine with Metroid Prime Remastered graphics tbh. It's down to the devs at this point utilizing hardware effectively, and what they've been able to push out of the switch is impressive and it is probably good for the industry so they are forced to remember how to optimize properly.
I'd be happy with close to PS4 specs, especially if they actually keep the thermals and sound as quiet as the original Switch.
Steam Decks are 'powerful' for what they are, but frick me, the fan sounds like it's going to take off just browsing through the fricking store. Not only that, but the battery runs out in less than 2 hours for most non-emulated games.
I actually found myself just playing the Switch port of multiplat games over the version on the Steam Deck, honestly because it JuST wOrKs and I'm not messing with a thousand settings to get it working acceptably.
has this thread been posted every day since june 20th?
Kek homosexual the Nintendo Switch has dominated the gaming industry for 7 years now and its software - such as TotK - has ran fricking rings around whatever dogshit its rivals are churning out.
Nintendo exist on their own, and you will constantly seethe about it.
i agree but the battery life sucks balls and i dont like that very much.
>i agree but the battery life sucks balls and i dont like that very much
The Switch OLED battery lasts between 4 and 7 hours unlocked. If you're playing more than 4 hours of video games a day, you need fricking help.
i have an early model so i get my games for free and if you're playing less than 7 hours of games a day idk why you're posting on a board about them when you should be using your precious time to play them instead
you can have more than one hobby sweaty
yeah sure and its spelled sweatie moron
That's good enough for me. In fact, after the switch 2 lets just stop making new consoles and focus on optimizing performance for current consoles.
>the power of the PS4, charged with a standard cell phone charging cable and can last 5+ hours
>Comple backwards compatibility
Would be amazing as frick
trannies can't into optimization they think cutting off pp will make them more efficient humans so god only knows what havoc they will wreak in a coding environment. Game development is based on LOGIC and they are ILLOGICAL creatures. Giving them more powerful hardware will simply make them develop even less economically. Much like Black folk. More $ you give them the more they will spend.
Graphics peaked with RE5. Gameplay peaked with RE6. Horror peaked with RE7. Boobies peaked with RE8. What will peak with RE9?
Butts
If Valve wasn't so lazy they would've started bribing devs to optimize their shit for deck on a native level.
Probably not worth it, indies patch for Deck themselves because it's good for sales as people like playing indies in handheld mode. I ordered a Deck for indies the Switch runs fine just because I already own them on Steam.
>2024 console is weaker than a 2013 console
yikes
Should I even bother buying the white LED Switch or wait for this Switch 2 model?
>Nintendo Switch 2
What happened to Nintendo being creative?
The New Switch U
they don't need to . morons will buy regardless.
>morons will buy a product with a 2 after it
Wow, what a moronic thing to do!
>emulating it won't be impossible
I fail to see the problem
What's the point of giving it that kind of power when all the games are gonna be 2D or cell shaded low-poly crap anyways?
Having them all be 1080p 60 FPS minimum. No more 700p 20 FPS.
I'm sure Switch 2 will sell like hot cakes just like to original switch but 3rd party devs will still treat Nintendo like a red head step child because nobody wants to work with cave man hardware limitations.
Battery life and size is all that matters. Who cares about le pc performance if it lasts 2 hours, is loud and heavy as frick? The deck is a meme.
>ps4
so 1600x900 30fps with dips, all low, 1x AF it is