i started arguing with this dickweed that keeps saying that "3060's are the average gpu in the world since that's steam's data", cant even get it through his head that a portion of the world doesnt use steam, nor has expensive gpus
i just need data of how many gpus since the 1060 (like the 20xx's, the 30xx's, 40xx's, all that good shit) were made or sold
to my eyes the average on the world is NOT a 3060, africa, asia, and latin america are too poor for that
am i going insane Ganker or am i becoming an old homosexual who can't keep up with the times
No, you're correct.
the average gpu is whatever is most common in gaming laptops. check Amazon to figure that out
Vega 8 and intel hd something are the average gpu.
Steam data is not accurate and cannot be even used to extrapolate some educated guess on the topic.
You can like try to guess the level of performance
Say RX 570 and 4GB vram or 1060 3GB but again the office computers and the millions of laptops skew that a lot.
>redditors
>non-redditor westoids
>indians
in an argument about numbers, the person with them is proven to be more right than the person without them
a mode average is still an average
You're doing a lot of assuming with these numbers. You need real figures.
exactly, i need to know the number of gpu's nvidia manufactured since the 1060's, 20 million? 40? 80? i don't know. im dying on this hill, but i scoured the internet for these numbers and came dissapointed.
No, you need to know the number of people who play video games on PC instead of coming to a conclusion from a random assumption that half the world has a computer and 1/4th of them play games on it.
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OP is basically making shit up. Since the mayority of """""""gamers"""""" (AKA zoomers, poorgays and normies) plays garbage like LOL it wouldn't surprise me if the most popular GPU is some integrated garbage
I'm pretty sure when people are discussing average GPUs they care about the average GPUs used for gaming.
If you take into consideration all the computers used for office work, factories, schools, etc. Then the average computer doesn't even have a gpu. It has integrated graphics cards.
So Steam numbers are actually a good indicator of what the average gamer has.
>If you take into consideration all the computers used for office work, factories, schools, etc. Then the average computer doesn't even have a gpu. It has integrated graphics cards.
Yup
>So Steam numbers are actually a good indicator of what the average gamer has.
it isn't when a majority of those numbers are what chink pc rental places have
Yeah this gay OP is just trying to win an argument. If Steam says 3060 is the average GPU, then it's the average PC gaming GPU.
That’s probably true, but usually the real question being asked isn’t “average gpu worldwide. It’s “average gpu amongst people likely to buy a new PC game”.
Someone in Ethiopia who pirates old games to run on their integrated graphics isn’t relevant to a developer deciding what minimum spec to target.
Not your personal army
Also, you're automatically assuming that steam isn't a fairly representative sample of what gamers are likely to have
A lot you homosexuals are way too poor for a 3060
Assuming that 1 billion people play games on PC is a pretty big assumption. There's tons of people who are only on phones or have some laptop that might have a video card cause it was on-sale when their office bought stock.
Plus 13% of a population is already a massive portion of the population, the margin of error would be like 3%
Consider that 3060 being average doesn't mean it's used by over 50% of steam's userbase.
Simply that it's most used, so even if it were used by 20 people out of millions, it's still the average because no other GPU has more than 19.
Now consider that when it comes to "outdated" PCs, the parts used are going to vary.
Think how many not latest gen GPUs there are, there are thousands of diffirent models going back decades but there's a very limited number of models considered current gen.
Meaning that if most people use old gen stuff, they might still be using completely diffirent models from diffirent generations, it's really scattered.
Finally, why 3060 specifically?
Simply put it's in shitton of GAMER laptops AND overall 60 series were always the cheapest option in current gen GPUs so it is not surprising it would be the most common among current gen GPUs.
I can believe that it's definitely the average GPU of steam userbase and it's not so outlandish to say it's the average GPU in the world.
Simply because, as I said previously, even if only 10 people in the whole world use it, it's still going to be the average as long as every other model only has 9 users.
Obviously, if it were to be about average GPU performance which it isn't then I imagine it'd be at 460 levels if not worse.
that's median, not average
median is one of three types of average, anon... along with mean, and mode, mode being the one OP actually talks about
mean = add up all data in a dataset and divide by amount of datapoints, like an average price of the same product between shops
median = the number in the middle of the dataset
mode = the number that appears the most, in this case 3060
actually you're right, my mistake
even steam data is not correct when just considering steam because tech savy people with better/more expensive tech are going to be more likely to care about sharing their specs with steam vs the majority of more casual pc gamers who wouldnt give a frick about ever doing that.
steam data chart is basically good for referencing whats popular among ENTHUASTIST WHO CARE ABOUT THEIR PC SPECS. normies just buy whatever laptop was on sale on black friday and dont even know what a gpu is.
If this is in the context of game requirements then all that matters is steam figures because that's where mosy games are bought
It goes without saying that developers aren't basing specs on markets that can't afford their product or afford to run it
the average gamer is probably a 1660ti if we account for poors.
in 1st world countries, yeah, 3060.
>third world
>1660
try 860 maybe
You really think pajeets can afford 200$?
there has to be a cut off somewhere. you can't be a gamer if you can't play games. then you're like one of these favela monkeys who treat console manufacturers as their favourite football team, and their latest console as the contender for this years world cup. they don't actually play games, they just watch them on youtube and shitpost endlessly on every forum they can find about how great their team is.
They can play games, just not games made after 2019, lol
there are plenty of games that aren't call of duty or ubisoft open-world slop, anon
$200 isn't a lot
t. Third worlder
Wow, $200? I can get a whole 1630 for that. Amazing. It's 50% stronger than a 750ti, the meme ultra-budget low form card which launched at $150 a decade ago! What a beast. $200 sure goes a long way.
I'm American and still have a 970. Only a couple games I want to play are completely uplayable so I doubt I will upgrade soon.
yeah you're well below the average.
Take statistics 101
It doesn't matter who plays games, it only matters who buys games. Steamies are proven to buy games so their data is worth more
It's time you upgraded from your 970 GTX, anon
>I know the steam survey stats show a particular fact
>But have you considered my completely made up speculation?
I'm not sure there is a way to figure this out.
Steam is world wide so its a good indicator and more developed nations are going to be a bigger share of that PC market so that bias isn't wrong, but the bias is more the type of person that takes the steam survey. And of course plenty of people use gog or a good portion in other countries especially pirate (was always big in consoles too lot of PS1 mod chips in South America etc so I imagine the piracy divide that won't show up in steam is there too)
What was made in the past is sadly not going to give you good data. 1. No telling if those cards are still working and haven't been replaced. 2. Could be in a HTPC, closest as a spare, mining rig, art student that doesn't game. 3. Laptops are going to throw this off as well.
The 3060 is in a way the current average target for higher end games. Its the previous gen, so many don't adopt early, its the first with working new tech since the 20xx were useless for their selling feature, and 10xx series is getting old enough to be at risk of being dead or struggling to run things if they were a mid tier card of that gen.
But while it is the average target to dev for, that doesn't mean its the average thing in use, that is nearly unknowable for the above reasons. But older cards are very much still in use. AMD's 200 - 500 series hold up well and still can manage a lot of games at 1080. And on Nvidia the PS5/Xbox are roughly about a 1070 to 1080 with added on RT so those old cards are still in the running. But there just isn't a way to really know beyond a survey that is going to bias to survey takers since sales data is going to get fricked up from mining, stock, unused cards, and cards not for gaming.
It would be like trying to find out how many 1983 Ford 150s are still in use as a primary car. You may be able to get registered tax data, but ones shipped around the world, ones used as a secondary car for work, ones untagged, etc you won't be able to know.
>It would be like trying to find out how many 1983 Ford 150s are still in use as a primary car. You may be able to get registered tax data, but ones shipped around the world, ones used as a secondary car for work, ones untagged, etc you won't be able to know.
You can get the car insurance data, and you already know what percentage of general cars are untagged so you can estimate that number. OP is a low IQ pseud who doesnt understand stats. He is a jeet with low specs dilating.
Its more realistic to find out the cars than the truck data, but was just giving an example. And I can tell you living in the land of pickup trucks there are a lot of unregistered old ass cars that are uninsured going around property and back roads. But yea OP has no way to derive his data outside of his ass.
He probably isn't all wrong, there are a lot of old parts floating around and no way to know what the use of any card is, so its a lot harder than the truck example. I mean hell I've got like 4 in my house. 1 in HTPC, a spare in a closest, and a really old one, and my modern one. Only the modern card is getting gamed on. Hell plenty casual players using an igpu on a Ryzen these days too how would that factor in. Steam survey is close as anyone is going to get.
Go go gadget sample space I guess.
The argument is moot because there's also unregistered 3060 gamers that don't take the survey or don't use steam. If OP wanted to prove his point, he would have to prove that 3060 users are disproportionately likely to use steam and fill out the survey
Yea thats what I'm saying. Survey is bias but it could be bias in any direction we won't know, so we have to hope its wide enough to give a general example. So odds are his friend is reasonably accurate to any degree we could realistically figure out.
that other anon was right about laptop gpus being the average gaming metric. they're what every turbopleb I know buys, and with the great GPU shortage they pretty much became the default option for a couple of years. so you're looking at a 1650-1660 laptop until fairly recently, and now 3060-4060.
and laptop gpus don't get the highs of desktop cards. the low-mid range options are structured suspiciously similar to the way intel priced their cpus for almost 2 decades, and only a tiny percentage of people will ever spring for a laptop 80 or 90 series, and they have even harder diminishing returns.
I bet microsoft has way more accurate metrics since their OS is basically spyware anyway.
Yes and no. Laptops get gamed on a lot these days. I've got one for travel that can play a decent game, but you still run into that issue of that also gets used by a lot of art students that need a dGPU for photoshop or rendering same as desktops too really. So the MS data would also be flawed because it will tell you what people have, but not what its for. I mean you can take a guess if there is proof its owned by a guy between 13 and 40 its probably played a game but you would have to go further into spyware land to know whats installed and cross reference that with steam with other platforms, what MS account email shows up as a gog/steam/epic login and so on to get a real picture but even that has holes.
So steam is a sample space. Its used by laptops and desktops and most of the world, but not everyone. But its enough people to make a guess and be kinda close and extrapolate from there.
I mean if we are worried about the laptop variants of GPUs, which granted are very different, we may also have to accept that among the biggest GPUs in use are likely sitting along side a Snapdragon on a phone. Makes me throw up a little at that, but is what it is.
not many artgays buy gaming laptops so they can use blender or photoshop. and most that do, also play games. anyway the idiots that actually go to art school all have macs.
no, he's right
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
why do AMD even bother when their market share for GPUs is this pitiful
AMD actually makes almost as much as Nvidia selling GPUs due to consoles
Not to mention it's a very high margin industry, especially while Intel is still new to drivers etc. and AI drives up the price of Nvidia's hardware.
because for rasterized gaming they're actually really solid cards starting about 6mo after launch after driver support catches up. nvidia is only significantly better with raytracing (which sucks on pretty much any non 80/90 series card, AI, and stream encoding. Things that are a very niche usecase among most PC users. amd gives a much better price/performance ratio than nvidia. Oh and linux just works with amd.
I personally dont run amd cards, but they make the most sense for your average gamer.
>nvidia is only significantly better with raytracing
a 10% improvement for anywhere from 50%-100% more money isn't "significantly better"
>no, he's right
>africa, asia, and latin america are too poor for that
literally who the 3060 is for, first world citizens shouldn't be buying it
3060 12GB is a great gpu if you bought it under $300 during any time & anywhere since its release.
added them to excel and added their performance according to gpubenchmark
only added the Nvidia ones, got up to 70%
within that 70%, the median is in between a 1070ti and 3060m, so actually not too far off from a 3060 in terms of performance
adding the rest gives a median between the 3050 and the 1660ti
I forget the name - median but for button quartile already has us down at a 1050/1050ti
top 10% and 25%
>intel integrated graphics more than 2070 super
Steam's hardware survey misreports some stuff about my machine (admittedly I have a very uncommon setup).
This depends on what you're arguing. The average card is probably none considering how many people play on rented PCs or in cafes. Think of how many Chinks, Pajeets and Pablo's play without owning their own machine, and that's not even looking at Africa and rest of Asia which is markedly poorer than China. If you're arguing about the average card of a gamer (i.e. not some mom who booted up farmville once) then steam is a pretty good indicator since it's clearly the dominant platform, and it shows you both the private PCs and the PCs used in said net cafes.
You don't have any way of tracking pirates games so might as well just disregard them.
Also, I forgot to add, if you really want the true average you should be looking at phone grafix cards, not PC, practically everyone has a smartphone, including Pajeets, Pablos and Zhang's, and more and more people use those to play as m
more games are made specifically for phones, Genshin Chinkpact, Honksi Star Rail or CoD Mobile, Garena free fire etc. all dwarf PC games.
a 3060 at MSRP (lol) is barely stronger than a 1070 and costs about the same
it's just a shit deal
that's my point. these low and midrange cards hype their numbers when they're released but real world performance barely changes between generations. and in laptops it's even worse. isn't a 3050 mobile slower than a 1660ti mobile?
No. Not really.
Its between 1080 and 1080ti in raster performance while having 12GB of vram and an easy overclock from its 1.7Ghz to 2Ghz of the gpu chip and you can go +1000 on the memory, that gives it just that +10% to overtake stock 1080ti.
In situations when you need 12GB of vram its way ahead of the 1070.
Nvidias last positive "mistake" for the players.
>anon learns about mean, median, and mode
>if we assume half the globe has computers
You can assume that 90% of the globe does not.
nobody gives a shit about those countries. He's probably only considering places like Europe, NA, and certain parts of Asia, which he would be correct in doing so because he's not a gay.
Its the average for steam users who make up a microcosm of PC owners so thats not representative of the worlds average. Most the world is on some intel integrated so the average GPU is probably some kind of AMD APU or some shit.
Even in the gaming segment the average GPU is probably a 1660 super.
Assuming is fine but I think you're wrongly assuming a lot of things.
First of all, I highly doubt half of the world has a desktop computer.
Maybe your statistics include all of the computers inside of office buildings and libraries and such, or by "computer" they mean any kind of device with a processor.
But if you get down to desktop pc's only there is no way that half the world has one, as only like 2% of women probably have a desktop pc. So that would mean almost every man has one, and that simply makes no sense.
By comparison, 1/4th of desktop users playing games is probably a little low. Excluding corporate, almost every desktop PC is likely built with gaming in mind, just look at what all the components look like these days.
All things considered I would assume that there are probably around 500 million individuals who own a desktop PC, and of that number probably about 300 million use them for gaming. Only 130M of them using steam is pretty reasonable (cause choina exists).
And even if the percentage of Steam users is relatively small, it should still be a good indicator here. After all, if out of 130M people a large group uses Nvidia gpu's, why would that be different outside of the scope? Is there a reasonable correlation to be found between not using Steam and not using Nvidia products?
your assumptions are wrong
most population are poor spics, pajeets, chinks, arabs, sea monkey etc who down own PC - there is a reason why internet cafe are still popular in 3rd world countries
heck even in 1st and 2nd world countries plenty of people down own PC(and even if they do its either old toaster or laptop) running with either consoles or phones
your base numbers are inflated and you seriously overestimate 3rd world access to PC
I would say that most people playing on PC have steam accounts simply for free games
The average gpu is probably a 1060 or a 20's series card.
My 2080 super still runs anything at 1080p, 60fps minimum.
3060 is the average of Steam users
Anything below $100-150 GPUs is probably the average card of third-worlders so it's either an RX 580/590 or a 1060
t. thirdie
most people cant even afford a 1060
i'm serious
i know people in brazil who can't even run battlerite
hello, usa here
i have rx 480
i bought for $200 on launch, 7 years ago
i have seen no reason to upgrade
i played new games with this, including but not limited to, armored core 6, everspace 2, lies of p
1080p/60 no problem
i play some older games at 1080p/144hz no problem as well
there are no games i cant play that i want to play
for a while i had a 2070S, that i bought from a methhead on craigslist for $300
i used it for like 10 months, then sold it, because all it did was make elite dangerous look prettier, and sounded like a jet engine and made my room too hot.
i sold it to some idiot in texas for $850 ($770 for me after ebay israelites stole like 10%)
and i am using my rx 480 again
and playing all the same games
also, i have never, not once, gotten a steam survey. if i got one, i would have turned it down.
same but with a GTX 1080 and I waited for aftermarket cards and never tried to replace it
I also have a 1440p monitor, ran Gaiden on medium settings just fine
will probably wind up upgrading in 2026 or 2027 if it doesn't break down
nice
>arguing using moron data
you dumb frick. Only fricking idiots submit steam hardware surveys.
poorgay turdworld pag-pag eater here.
i'm planning on getting a 3060 soon, so your friend might be on to something.
why does nobody ever bring up the fact that steam's "data" consists entirely of people who click "yes" when asked "Hey, let us look at everything on your computer regardless of relevance."
I can't help but feel that an inverse version of survivorship bias is being employed here.
>Only goyvidea / NOVIDEO gays agree to survey
this is a good cope for ayymd
I imagine AMD users are generally more antisocial/skeptical in such cases ye
because everyone already knows that, you moron
also like five people did, already
Nobody gives a shit about third world shitholes.
Steam stats are all that matter since it reflects most of the world that actually matters ie White countries and a select few Asian countries.
What stupid shit are you morons arguing about again?
3060 is like what, 3 years old? At current point it's an absolute minimum to have in a gaming pc. No your prehistoric trash card is not enough, as your prehistoric trash cpu (anything under 8 cores) either. No, endlessly replaying same decades old shit is not "gaming", only turbo poorgays with terminal autism do that, do cry in your poorgay corner again or better get a job fat Black person. There was even a relatively decent sized period recently where cards were moving towards proper prices so everyone who cared bought one already, so it you don't have a 3060 now it's entirely on you. Plus, as mentioned before, idiots still buy craptops to play the games on them, so manufacturers have to consider what chip to ludicrously overproduce and again the most solid choice (3060) wins. As an additional factor steam charts show stats from people who pay for their games (else why even install steam) so to nobody's surprise poorgays are the minority there and people who can buy games can also afford a card
nice bait, even Anal Woke II runs fine on a 2060 and 7600k
enjoy spending that much just to be hamstrung by consolepoors, I'd rather spend that money on luxuries where the industry fully caters to big spenders like food, travel and alcohol
>2060
what kind of moron bought 20 series?
and don't pretend your poorgay example is anything more than 720p on lowest +possible hacks
>what kind of moron bought 20 series?
The kind who stopped kvetching and just bought it.
1080p on low, no hacks moron
not to mention it's Black folklop
>what kind of moron bought 20 series?
>what kind of moron bought 30 series?
>what kind of moron bought 40 series?
>what kind of moron bought 40 super series?
the kind of goyvidia moron that just gave up on waiting and is too much of a good goyim to switch to amd
No, you are wrong
What's the debate trying to prove? Because there is a good chance third world countries are irrelevant
You may not like it but when some game like AC6 has 2.8 million copies sold and 1 million of those copies are sold in China and SEA and rest of Asia thats not south Korea or Japan, the publishers will take into account what those players say and what their hardware is and everything else they do with demographics research in the west.
And which fricking game is that supposed to be? Armoured Core? Ace Combat? Assassin's Creed? Animal Crossing?
why are you using them then and not actual turd world like america?
There aren't a billion PC gamers around the world.
And those who don't use Steam at all either pirate or play some random free to play games or some shit. So yes, they're irrelevant from an AAA dev pov.
When you include business computers into the mix, the average gpu is intel onboard graphics.
>implying gamers
>have a 1050
>only start thinking of getting a better graphics card when it turns out you can't run stable diffusion properly
What am I missing out on? Starfield?
Just AI
Everything else is the same woke stuff that to add insult to the injury, demands stupid requirements
You're moronic on multiple fronts
1060s are deprecated
2080 and 2070 are expensive
3060 is still expensive for the third world because the salesmen chatge a lot
>gays that consoom AAA garbage also are willing to pay for more expensive cards as the games demand
And you will find them precisely in steam
Are they the majority of the population? surely not, but companies will pretend they are, so they can keep pushing rising prices
steam surveys are optional thus ignored by most people
there is no half objective way to find out gpu average
but it doesnt matter
op doesnt play video games
This image is moronic because there are way fewer gaming PCs than this
>1 billion play games
Yes but a majority of those "gamers" aren't what you think.
They're "playing" mobile "games" on a phone, not actual games on an actual device.