Am I the only one that feels primarchs are kinda...unimpressive now? Like, they used to be these larger than life unstoppable demigod legends, but now that they've been given stats they're just kinda underwhelmed and sad. Like, I can't take all the posturing with Guilliman or the Lion seriously after I've seen them be blown up by bomb squigs, deleted by concentrated gauss rifle fire, bludgeoned to death by ogryn, or 360 noscoped by a three-armed inbred desperado terrorist. Primarchs are basically a joke now and it's really fricking depressing.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
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this is the most lukewarm take out there man, a ton of the 40k fanbase don’t like the demystifying of the setting in favor of marvel tier wank
I don't mean from a lore perspective, I just mean they're a complete disappointment on tabletop. Every story big ups them as the movers and shakers of the galaxy and then they get killed by like two dozen guardsmen.
Well that happens to everyone. Codex Movie Marines was a pretty tongue-in-cheek acknowledgement that fluff and tabletop play very differently
Welcome to the same club the avatar of khaine, every greater demon/demon prince and the swarmlord have been in since forever. Also ctan.
That's basically marines in general, it's a running joke that lore marines would be too overpowered.
Remember movie marines from white dwarf? A 10 man tactical squad in a rhino was 1500pts
> Remember movie marines from white dwarf? A 10 man tactical squad in a rhino was 1500pts
I wish they would update them to 10th edition stats. Would make a great April Fools thing. I would love to see someone show up to a tournament with 2 rhinos full of marines and nothing else.
In a lore a single marine can solo an enemy regiment and a single primarch can clear an entire planet, but that wouldn't translate well onto the tabletop. Just headcanon around it and imagine that when fighting SM each Guardsman (or equivalent) on the tabletop is a proxy of an entire platoon and then it makes more sense
>In a lore a single marine can solo an enemy regiment and a single primarch can clear an entire planet
And a single ork can have the emperor begging for aid.
>The story where two Orkz drove their buggy off a ramp onto an Imperial Titan, slaughtered the entire crew, and escaped scott-free before the rest of their army blew it to hell.
>In a lore a single marine can solo an enemy regiment
Lore is shit then
Good, frick capeshitters like you. A general shouldn't be some kind of army-wiping superhero.
>he didn't read the books
I pity you
>he didn't read the books
I envy you
>Every story big ups them as the movers and shakers of the galaxy and then they get killed by like two dozen guardsmen.
Reminder that avatars of khaine were supposed to be primarch tier irreplaceable shards of a shattered god and they've been jobbing to literal guardsmen for more years than the average zoomer marine player has been alive
welcome to the club buddy
With all the demystification of the setting and the interesting stuff getting filled in to the point of being uninteresting due to how overlored it is, I wouldn't be surprised if after the HH they move onto the missing legions and the rangdan xenocides. Gotta constantly sand down anything interesting that's open to fan interpretation in favor of filling it in with Big E soap opera and making everything else the shittiest shithole that ever shitholed.
>I wouldn't be surprised if after the HH they move onto the missing legions and the rangdan xenocides
The Scouring is all but confirmed.
I'd categorize that under the HH family drama instead of its' own thing. Once they meticulously explain every detail of the post-HH cleanup, what else have they got left that they haven't overexplained?
Demystification can be okay, but 60 fricking books of horus heresy is at least 57 too many.
If HH ended with Galaxy in Flames and then they just made anthologies, it would be perfect
More people like Marvel Primarchs than dislike them though.
Do they? Or do they just not give it a single thought?
most "people" weren't into 40K before 30k/ primarchs came back. marvel primarch slop is all they've ever known.
>marvel
Rent free
Now you know what Eldar felt every time the looked at the Avatar.
Yeah, but eldar are SUPPOSED to lose. It's their faction's whole gimmick.
So are humans. Chaos is the designated winner. Look at Fantasy.
Forced meme.
Unfortunately this is unavoidable, and is a problem special characters of all factions face. The only alternative is to make the game into some sort of shit moba game where a few special characters decide the entire course of battle and everyone else is just chaff. That would be shit though, and arguably we've gone to far that way already.
their attempt at gatcha is about as slow as a real game of 40k . might as well drop 100 bucks on 40k resin than on blackstone shards.
id like a wildlands phone moba for 40k.
im currently debating wether or not to buy a new pc or drop dosh on some bgg ,awg, and 40k.
It's one of the better gacha games, actually has some strategy and I don't spend money, it's pretty fun
>It's one of the better gacha games
It's really, REALLY not.
Tacticus is fricking intolerable purely for the disgusting Clash of Clans artstyle.
dorn was killed by berserkers, kurze got ganked by a single assassin. Primarchs aren't superheroes, they can be overwhelmed by lesser warriors or just get unlucky.
>kurze got ganked by a single assassin
To be entirely fair he literally made sure she could kill him by telling all his guards to let her and then letting her kill him
yeah, but still, she was able to do it. If he was Wolverine or whatever she could have sat there stabbing him all day and alls would have happened was her arm would get tired.
And?
And besides that, Kurze was mentally raped by Sanguinius into being depressed enough to want such suicide to happen.
How can you tell when all primarchs are mentally handicapped from the get-go?
Bobby isn't, but then again being the only normal person in a family full of morons must be agonizing.
Autism is still a mental handicap.
Primarchs can be killed by lower lifeforms, is all. Though I admittedly am very amused by the assassin's initial attempt failing and her and Kurze sitting there trying to brainstorm a method that will work
Wanting to die actively makes your body weaker.
Fulgrim is the one with the healing factor.
Holy shit I hate primarchs
>kurze got ganked by a single assassin
Kurze comitted suicide via assassin.
m8, angron literally over head presses a fricking titan
Marneus Calgar swung a Necron Pylon around like a marching baton but I'm pretty sure lorewise he'd still die to a headshot.
I don’t know about pylons, but a warhound scout weighs 410 tons, a mammal able of exerting that much force at that mass while also not fricking exploding from pressure or snapping its bones while doing it is not going to get killed from a headshot from an anti personnel weapon
did he lift it naked or was he wearing power armor?
he was fricked and buried in ruble before the titan came
he was “covered in gore”, had “skinned knuckles” and “broken boots”, the text speaks only of bone and sinew and makes no mention of power armor
with power armor being ubiquiteos to all things space marine do you think it wouldnt be such a great leap to assime he was wearing power armor before being buried in rubble?
it’s irrelevant whether the armor was functional before it got a city block dropped on it
lorgar literally one shots a titan by throwing a single slab angron was buried under
Primarchs aren't just mammals though, they're warp creatures.
Why are you lying. A titans foot was pressing down on him, he was stopping it from crushing him but his bones were beginning to snap
so in other words they didn’t snap
Which is not the same as ‘pressing a Titan’. Just frick off.
cope, troon
as soon as they stepped out of "lore" and onto the tabletop they became just another pawn to the grogs.
Aren't C'tan supposed to have total control over local time? While the in game models are more of a really tall farseer that is super easy to shoot
Those are at least just SHARDS of a true c'tan. Lion is explicitly stated to still be in his prime and he can be tarpitted into useless by a couple handful of grots.
It's just so fricking sad to imagine THE Lion getting heckled into uselessness by a dozen or two grots.
I disagree. Imagining a primarchshit getting offed like nameless chaff is very sexual
Yes, they are. The thing about BIGGER IS BETTER, is that you quickly get used to the BIG THING, so neen an even BIGGER THING to replace them to keep the rush going. Bring on the next BIGGER THING, I say, and the next BIGGER THING after that and the next BIGGER THING after that, forever and ever. Don't even let GW settle for a single standard, the churn must continue!
So here's a question: how do you get GW to settle for Not As Big As The Last Thing?
By shooting them through the heads. Dead israelites don't need profit.
i.e. shit that makes you feel big when you post it online but you would never even consider doing for real
Because morons like you would keep buying their posthumous slop.
Things like make me wonder if a hero-hammer style game would actually work. One less focused on using big armies of models but rather just a few powerful characters beating each other up
>But that's killteam
Ok but killteam with big named characters, like Abadon, Guilliman, Khane, Ghazkul, you know, bigger dudes
Tbey are glorified chapter masters now
The Primarchs are as killable as they are in the lore the only difference is on the tabletop you do not have plot armor
More or less, yeah. But the thing is that the plot armor of primarchs is a literal plot point. They were made to bend reality and fate just by existing.
So technically a Hammerhead would never get the chance to nail a primarch, even if a direct hit could indeed kill one in theory.
>nu40k lore
frick off
look at the OP, moron. You're the one in the wrong thread
>No actual answer
Stop taking up thread space
pathetic trolling
How is
trolling? I LIKE the primarchs you stupid shit, I just hate how 40K has made them unimpressive since they're so easily killed.
And yet now they can since Primarchs have in-game stats. It's pretty damn sad.
Primarchs canonically get lucky with their save rolls wow. Guess they werent so lucky against my Hammerhead this time.
Please they have Eldar "psychic being in a fleshsuit" gimmick so what. I need a citation of them bending reality in universe
I mean Lorgar survived a literal direct hit from the main weapons of a Warlord Titan, Angron survived getting stepped on by one, Ferrus benchlifted one. A Hammerhead might tickle the average primarchs armor a bit.
>A Hammerhead might tickle the average primarchs armor a bit.
And yet now they can get fricking deleted by one. Pathetic.
>Am I the only one that feels primarchs are kinda...unimpressive now?
>now
Always have been
Only for fake grog weenies
In the siege of tera Jagahtai almost died from being stabbed in the back of the knee with a nurgle blade from some random death guard.
They aren't invincible...
>almost died
so he didn’t die
I mean, what do you mean by die? The primarchs can physically die, but their souls don't disappear. Every Primarch that has "died" can all be brought back, or their souls are still around in the warp. Sanguinious, Kurze, the 2nd and 11th are all floating around somewhere, and even some living primarchs have lost portions of their souls like Magnus, or the Lion was separated from his body.
I don't know what you expect? They aren't invincible, but they can't be killed and their souls destroyed like a normal human can.
Sure they can, just ask Horus. Oh wait you can't...
We will have to wait and see when the last Siege book releases. But it's far more likely that the Emperor took back the portion of his soul that he gifted to each Primarch. ( Big E is 100s or 1000s of souls in one body) and that he only "Destroyed" the chaos taint that was in Horus. Because the Emperor's Anathema can't be used to destroy what isn't corrupted by the chaos in the warp.
The "Good" Horus is probably still with or apart of the Emperor.
Nope, there's foreshadowing about the Emperor being capable of it (wiping out a big ork warlord in from of Horus), and the Black Legion novels explicitly mention that Horus' soul was erased from existence. It did happen.
We will see in the last book.
Yeah, the shaman thing got retconned but the multi soul thing came back because Sanguineous can see them in the Emp.
What you mean to say is that they haven't mentioned the Shaman Fluff since Realms of Chaos but hinted it could still be the case.
For all modern GW's many many flaws they, perhaps ironically, dont seem interested in touching the Emperor's origin fully
>Big E is 100s or 1000s of souls in one body
You been living under a rock the past 20 years?
The "Good" Horus was completely dead by the time they met in combat. That's "canon". As much as BL can be one.
Fragmenting a soul is an asinine concept, so of course those cancerous gays went for it.
Fragmenting a soul is no more asinine that souls existing in the first place. It's just how this setting works, and it's a classic genre trope.
>fragmented soul
>"good" Horus
Oh god, GW is gonna pull a Sylvanas aren't they?
We were sadly joking about this recently, how GW is probably going the Blizzard road of "this good guy that had been corrupted has been uncorrupted" which seems to be a terrible lazy staple.
>Mortarion becomes uncorrupted and returns to the Imperium
>Wolf dude becomes a new primarch of chaos
Absolute kino
The thing about demigods is that they're mythical figures. Their power is that of legend. The are as strong as the tale you're telling needs.
But once you turn them into a unit, it has numbers attached. And numbers are antithesis to myth. Numbers are objective
Well, this is a direct consequence of the backstory being explained rather than being left to myth and legend as it was originally intended. With every new HH book, the emperor and the primarchs just feel dumber and dumber.
black library doesnt really do "the unreliable narrator" theres like only a few gotcha moments.
but structuring fluff 3rd edition style like inquisitorual reports was a good way to introduce it in the game.
people said the 1st person limited of a side cgaracter like the great gatsby that was evident in the first few books as told by people adjacent to the primarchs was the mist appropriate style to the first few hh books
I'm not talking about their stories, those are fine. I'm annoyed by their in-game stats not measuring up to their epic, legendary feats in those stories.
>Guillimans legendary feat of being jobbed by poison and dying from a bomb
>Lions legendary feet of falling alseep from a battle
>wakes up and becomes le *teleports behind you, nothing personal heretic*
I can only imagine the amount of s0ifacing homosexuals furiously jerking off while reading that Lion stuff from Arks
didn’t the emperor almost get choked out by an ork
tfw O Kais feels more like a myth and legend then Robotic Georgian man
If you feel that way now just wait until you read about bumbling space grandpa and his geriatric goobers struggling to extinguish one small nest of chaos worshippers
Bigbut silliman was a lot better in the dark imperium books at least. He deserves his reputation.
Do you think GW regret greenlighting this absolute piece of shit or do they simply not care?
Primarchpiggies WILL buy the slop, regardless of how bad it is.
That book was perfectly serviceable and enterntaining, and 100% an improvement for DA fans tired of Gav Thorpe and his schizo backstabbing DAngels
So this Primarch situation is pretty much the epitome of "never meet your heroes", isn't it?
nah, primarchs were little more than name dropped before 2003-4, when they were actually developed as we know them now as greek-style flawed demigods in Visions of Heresy.
But there's a group of idiots mentally stuck in a rose tinted version of the 90s fluff, ignoring that if the primarchs had been oh so perfect they wouldn't haven't rebelled in the first place, plus a heavy dose of culture wars bullshit because they don't like a few BL authors being openly atheists or left wing.
What the frick are you talking about?
What does that have to do with their disappointing in-game stats, schizo-kun?
Primarchsloppers get what they fricking deserve