>americans understand capitalism
>you get what you pay for
that has nothing to do with capitalism, has Max never read theory?
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>americans understand capitalism. >you get what you pay for
Imagine needing to read theory to understand a thing in praxis, you sound like a massive pseud.
Yeah sis. If I pay some random guy for a pc and he gives me an orange that's good business that will generate profit.
This is unironically what americans think socialism is.
That pic is an apt representation of reality though.
Communist countries ate more, with the only outliers being the DPRK and one USSR famine early in its history.
Also the great leap forward. Don't kill off keystone species, it will bite you in the ass.
>commie countries ate more apart from the multiple times millions of people starved to death
Should we count all the capitalist famines?
Yeah, go ahead and name them
Umm... uh... comrades... I don't feel so well.
Ireland
Bangladesh
Numerous countries in Africa to this very day
Off the top of my head
The USSR had to contend with an infrastructure destroyed by civil war and with intentional sabotage from capitalists. Meanwhile, the Irish potato famine was ALSO caused by deliberate capitalist intervention.
Now name a few African(pick an actual country) corporation and a few Bangladesh corporations existing at the time. Should be simple since they were capitalists.
>what is imperialism and colonialism
lmao
Not capitalism. It even has a different name to help you differentiate.
>Not capitalism.
LOL
I guess Americans really don't understand capitalism
Famines were in Russia and China before socialism. Again, your point?
They were a direct result of socialist economic policies. And no, saying lol isn't going to change the fact that imperialism and colonialism aren't capitalism.
>what is imperialism and colonialism
My people's burden because of backwater tribes like yours.
How selflessly you profit and exploit, you heroic job creator.
On top of that, he should name a few irish corporations, too
>What is the Dutch West India company?
Ireland's famine was caused by natural disease.
Bangladesh famine was primarily caused by flooding after they had just been at war with Pakistan and their infrastructure had been destroyed.
USSR's famine was self inflicted due to Dekulakization.
>Ireland's famine was caused by natural disease.
Irish dependency on potatoes was a direct consequence of the scarcity of good farmland, being the only crop with a large enough yield at such a small scale, because the majority of farmland was being used to produce grain and other expensive crops intended for export by English authorities; export which continued all the way through the famine.
>Bangladesh famine was primarily caused by flooding after they had just been at war with Pakistan and their infrastructure had been destroyed.
It was policy of the British colonial rule to just kinda let it happen, again.
>USSR's famine was self inflicted due to Dekulakization.
So we're going to ignore that they had just been at war and their infrastructure had been destroyed? And that during the famine, the poor maligned kulaks were setting fire to crops rather than see them seized by the Red Army to be redistributed?
If you'd bother to read it you'd see how amazingly appliccable it still is. Capitalism hasn't changed.
>So we're going to ignore that they had just been at war and their infrastructure had been destroyed?
It is applicable for famine of 1921 but not for holodomor which happened 15 years after the war.
>And that during the famine, the poor maligned kulaks were setting fire to crops rather than see them seized by the Red Army to be redistributed?
Wasn't enough for famine of such scale. Main reason is government issued policies that aimed for two major goals: industrialisation and dispossession of all property
>Ireland
colonialism
>Bangladesh
muslims
>Numerous countries in Africa to this very day
african socialism
Africa and colonialism there by corporations that have control of the resources.
>colonialism
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
there are STILL people who GENUINELY BELIEVE that colonialism was a bad thing
AHAHAHA
So you don't believe famines are a bad thing? What are we blaming the USSR for again, then?
Famines were in Africa way before colonialism. Are you clinically moronic?
>famine in Ukraine
>famine in Kazakhstan
Yes colonialism and famine are correlated
I know the kulaks were highly exploitative but it's a bit of a mischaracterisation to call them colonisers, even if they essentially act the same
Why do murrimutts always go into the utmost extremes?
No they don't. It's what you think. You wrote this sentence so you think this sentence. I hope that clears it up.
The Soviet Union lost and the revolutionaries failed. Get over it. Educate yourself on actual economics instead of the ramblings of a literal NEET. Capitalism has done a better job at feeding people and giving them prosperity than socialists and their shitty centrally planned economy they always end up (they actually pretend its the workers owning the means of production lmao).
Fast food restaurants have fed more people than every Marxist regime combined.
>Capitalism has done a better job at feeding people and giving them prosperity
Some of them, anyway. Too bad it comes at the expense of so many others. Perhaps you shouldn't measure the success of a system by how many billionaires there are but how many homeless.
Max Payne 3 could have been a decent game but the pacing a was beyond terrible.
As if pacing was the only problem this piece of shit had.
Why such drastic shift in writing quality? Has Dan Houser never played the original gemes?
>americans understand capitalism
They don't though because they still believe America is a democracy, that's the irony.
Because that's what schools and media tell them, they fail to mention the republic part of democratic republic.
I love when anti-capitalistic media is being sold for money
The writing was better in 3 since it was more grounded and less sappy.
The capitalism line was referring to the fact that he was being paid a huge amount of money to guard a wealthy family in a class war incited by a right-wing government. The capitalism line fits.
>Another morons don't understand MP3 because of sunshine thread
It's obvious what Max is talking about, also cherry picking this line compared to the ones used for 1 and 2? We all know this isn't about the writing. The worst offense the game gives is it's cutscenes, but the shooting itself is good.
>but the shooting itself is good.
Slow, lumbering, over-animated GTAIV movement and cover mechanics in a series that set the template for fast paced and stylish TPS... ok buddy
You know you can play through the entire game without using the cover system once, right? You're just a shitter.
>You're just a shitter.
You're defending a consolised bastardisation of a superior game but I'm the shitter? ok buddy
>can't beat game without using cover
>"I-I'm the shitter?"
Did I stutter?
>>can't beat game without using cover
You're attacking an assumption you made up in your head moron. Stop posting
>You're attacking an assumption you made up in your head
And I'm doing it without using cover mechanics which is more than I can say about you
>Slow, lumbering, over-animated
You don't like actually having Max collide with objects and be able to roll around and do more shit from prone? Calling it GTAIV style is incredibly disingenuous. Max is a drunk, hard-boiled ex-cop doing gun fu, not a fricking olympic athlete.
>You don't like actually having Max collide with objects and be able to roll around and do more shit from prone?
What, like in Max Payne 2? Yeah it was fun in that.
Didn't realise Max's limbs and entire body would move to accommodate his position in relation to nearby objects in MP2, rather than just him levitating when diving against static flat walls.
Or that you could already barrel roll across rooms in that game either, shooting in virtually any direction.
The comparatively sluggish movements and longer animations are OK because Max can ragdoll when he headbutts a wall? Who gives a shit... when I boot up a Max Payne game I expect quick paced and snappy gameplay like a 3D Hotline Miami, not some GTA knockoff written by a British homosexual. The idea that he should be lumbering and "drunk" came from Max Payne 3 specifically so excusing it because Max is "supposed" to control like that is what's disingenuous
Lol eat shit and die, Black person. My best friend and I are both MP fanatics and played MP3 shortly after release. We both agree the gameplay in MP3 was amazing.
>beat game
>Ganker gets flooded with threads about it
get out of my head
>has Max never read theory?
more like Marx Payne lol
I've never played a Rockstar game where I actually like the writing. It always feels "off".
Well, yea, their writing is supposed to be a bit quirky due to the nature of their characters.
LA Noire is probably their most consistent and grounded work.
That's because they're from England and trying to make games that are all set in America. They don't understand the American SOVL so their writing and characters come across as off.
>america
>soul
pick one
>Max Payne 3
>Best part is the firefights escaping New Jersey
>It's only a Flashback Chapter
I hated Max Payne 3 because the writing was all like this. A fat bald alcoholic homosexual crying about how his life sucks and then the game ends with him at a beach drinking more alcohol and being a sad numale homosexual. At least in the original games Max Payne was relatable. In Max Payne 3 he's just this fat American moron who flies through Brazil sideways and kills hundreds of paramilitary goons.
>he was relatable
You self-insert midwit morons should seriously off yourselves.
Relating is not self-inserting, moron.
>WOW DUDE HE'S JUST LIKE ME
Yes it is you stupid homosexual holy shit.
>My family got murdered and now I'm hunting down those responsible
vs
>I'm a fat bald white alcoholic American gringo doing private security work for billionaire elites in Brazil and I hate my life *takes off sideways and kills a platoon of gunmen in slow motion*
No it isn't, shit for brains
I'm sorry if you liked listening to him talking about how he's a fat moronic alcoholic american gringo every time he faced a setback. Life must be hard for you.
He stops drinking halfway in the game, nostalgay.
Played all 3 games back to back this winter. MP3 was easily the worst one with its only redeeming quality being the physics.
It's astounding how it manages to look worse than the second one by attacking your eyes with ugly colors, filters, bloom and blur.
It has the best gunplay ever in a third person shootee though, change my mind. No idea why they chose to downgrade in GTA 5.
Too bad they made the movement so floaty and unresponsive.
>the best gunplay ever in a third person shootee
Not even the best in it's series. MP3 plays like a novelty mod for GTA4 that adds Max Payne dives to it.
Max Payne 4 never ever, guess he's chilling at the Bahamas forever now.
Max Payne 3 is actually a brilliant video game sequel. They knew comparisons would be inevitable, so what do they do? They intentionally distance themselves from the original.
Originals:
>Dreamlike and symbolic atmosphere
>Max in the city he has lived in all his life
>Hurting but competent, employed by police
>Stakes are personal
>Justice is dispensed from the barrel of a gun
MP3:
>Gritty and realistic atmosphere
>Max in a foreign country. doesn't speak the language
>Washed-up, tired, unemployed at first, later employed by corrupt politicians
>Unsure why he's there, hired to do a job
>Reluctant to resort to violence (but forced to resort to it anyway); instigating event is an ill-advised violent intervention
MP3 is essentially a fish out of water story. They took this over-the-top noir character and put him in the wrong game; Max himself doesn't even seem to want to be there. He goes from fighting for deeply personal reasons to become an ambivalent mercenary for wealthy elites for reasons that aren't even clear to him. But in the end he manages to find some purpose, embraces his role as someone who is basically good at shooting people instead of continuing to resist it, and manages to drag some sort of victory out of the whole mess. It is impossible for me not to read this as a meta commentary on itself, a sequel that maybe should not have been there, that exists not for personal reasons but to capitalise on a big IP, a game that knew it would not live up to the originals and that it had to struggle to find its own identity instead of trying to do what the originals did and inevitably failing.
>it's shit on purpose
so tiresome
Theoretically clever on a meta level, but mechanically it's such a step down from previous games I'm genuinely shocked there're so many 3 apologists on this board (although I did see a popular Assassin's Creed thread the other day where they called it kino or whatever so clearly Ganker is filled with brown kids with consoles...)
>putting Super Mario in real life Africa fighting for his life against animals smarter than a goomba and against local tribes trying to mutilate him in Super Mario Galaxy 3 is so genius because what they did was take a thing and make it what it isn't supposed to be. Why yes I enjoyed the red adaptation of Blue, how could you tell?
>Why yes I enjoyed the red adaptation of Blue
Yes, I do, actually. If you want Blue, read the book a second time. But Red should properly be considered its own work that engages with and comments on Blue.
>MP3 should be regarded as a spinoff or just its own thing that happened to be inspired by the first two
I agree.
The 'somewhat' intelligent statement I'm going to try and make is the homosexual commies are right in that we live in something resembling late-stage capitalism in the regard that a handful of companies have essentially 'won' and monopolized the companies they own to the detriment of everyone.
Ideally the government is supposed to break up monopolies, encourage competition, prevent industries and companies from becoming too top heavy, encourage and protect the growth of the middle-class, that kind of thing. That hasn't happened though - America has adopted "too big to fail" as an official policy and uncompetitive companies are not only *not allowed to fail* but are completely protected from their own mistakes and free to not only continue to make moronic business decisions but also buy buy more businesses, more franchises, removing competition, making entire industries more monolithic and homogenous, as they enforce the same moronic decisions that made them unprofitable to begin with.
It's kind of the idea that Microsoft doesn't *actually* know how to make money anymore, but they have so much money from possessing a completely tapped home computer market, that they don't have to worry about really making any kind of intelligent decision. But, they're still expected to expand, so what do they do? They buy companies: Rare, Lionhead Studios, Nokia, Activison, Mojang, they make numerous acquisitions that give the 'illusion' of growth - maybe even make a couple shitty new products/games as a write off, and then when they don't make money (or the amount of money they think they need to make) they fire most of the staff and just sit on the IPs forever. Which isn't really a big deal given that the point was never to make products but just the mindless pursuit of "number go up".
>Ideally the government is supposed to break up monopolies, encourage competition, prevent industries and companies from becoming too top heavy, encourage and protect the growth of the middle-class, that kind of thing. That hasn't happened though - America has adopted "too big to fail" as an official policy and uncompetitive companies are not only *not allowed to fail* but are completely protected from their own mistakes and free to not only continue to make moronic business decisions but also buy buy more businesses, more franchises, removing competition, making entire industries more monolithic and homogenous, as they enforce the same moronic decisions that made them unprofitable to begin with.
wow almost like capital makes the rules of our society
You now recall that Gamestop successfully argued they provide a needed service and were allowed to stay open during covid alongside all the other big businesses while local shops were left to rot.
Profits are privatized, losses are socialized. It's fricking rigged, always has been. Capitalists can band together and influence government policy through bribery and it's democratic, but workers can't bargain collectively and strike without the President signing a bill making it illegal. We're told to idolize and sympathize with millionaires and billionaires even as they use tax dollars to offset their losses and suppress free association. Land of the free.
>workers can't bargain collectively and strike without the President signing a bill making it illegal
Actually they can
Tell that to rail workers.
Sure but "too big to fail" is a form of neo-corporatism, not capitalism.
And all of those ideals of what the government 'should' do are categorically evil. The middle class actually literally doesn't deserve to grow if they frick themselves over, they're not entitled to the productivity of those who are productive just because you can make an emotional appeal for it.
The government simply needs to categorically reject the marxist ideas of hierarchically relative morality and a moral duty to upend everything that's good and works but isn't perfect.
It's still incredible that Max Payne 3 is a big budget blockbuster AAA action game and it is unashamedly leftist, with a story literally about killing the police and the rich to stop them exploiting the poor.
The only game out there like it.
Ever notice how in the third game, Max's name is just one letter away from Marx? I thought that was interesting.
outta my way, hue fricking shits
that movie never happened
Max Payne 1 was Remedy having amazing techology for the time, but no story. Sam Lake came up with the most generic cop drama he could come up with and it troped so hard it looped and became good. Max Payne 2 he actually sat down and wrote a proper script, you can see they leant more on the story with how much more in-game cutscenes there are. Max Payne 3 was written by Dan Hauser who is known to take the piss out of American culture like in the GTA games.
So communistic countries are only comparable with countries decades or hundreds years before them. Got you fellas. But why would anyone want to switch away from capitalism?
>But why would anyone want to switch away from capitalism?
Well, there's a book on that
Wasn't "this book" written like a couple of centuries ago? How is it still applicable after all of that? Economic theories are changing every 50-100 years. How is "this book" still relevant?
you could read any of the hundreds of 21st century Marxist writers instead.
Economics is a fake field these days, they're just cheerleaders for the ruling class. Hence why every university has a business department separate from the fake econ one.
>Economics is a fake field
This is not an argument. Basically you are dismissing works of different schools of economics because... you personally don't like them?
Yeah, in the same way as the gold standard is still a relevant monetary system
I can look at the millions of people who were killed in the hands of those marxist writers and conclude that the whole ideology is evil bullshit and purposefully so.
It's the only ideology I know so it's my personality.
>Capitalism is superior compared to any other alternative
>But all negative effects of Capitalism actually isn't Capitalism
>Companies doing bad things(Slave labor in poor countries, buying land and collecting natural resources, using their money to manipulate culture, laws, and government, union busting, artificial scarcity) isn't Capitalism
>Companies chasing profits any means necessary(Monopolies, greedy shit for more money(mtx shit in vidya for example), paying shitty wages for people who work harder than CEOs every day, suburban experiment and oil/car company lobbying, housing market in general) isn't Capitalism
>But individuals or communities making breakthroughs at academies is Capitalism
>Artists making art is Capitalism
Clown world
Max Payne 3 writing is so bad it ruins the game. Nevermind the gameplay, the setting, the unskippable boring cutscenes. The writing alone makes it trash.
It tries so hard to sound poetic and flowery but it comes across as so unbelievably blunt and lacking any kind of style. I've never seen anything like it. Whoever wrote that shit actually thought he was writing noir gold
>heh, kiddo, I've got this gun on my, a sidepiece of you will and it is loaded with bullets that are made of metal and I will make bullet shapes holes in your body with it, like some renegade from the TV show The Renegade staring Lozenzo Lamas
What the actual frick
>Max Payne 3
Never forget max said it to literal Hispanic subhuman
MP3 is not canon
simple as