>Announces new VR Headset
>Price is more than the console it's for
>"How did this happen?"
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>Announces new VR Headset. >Price is more than the console it's for. >"How did this happen?"
>double no games
is there even one game that would require psvr2 yet? literally anything announced at all?
>“yeah jer I bought the sony vr headset the other week and it only cost $550!”
>laugh track
>“well does it have games?”
>“does it have what?”
>laugh track
>“games you know the main reason you bought it in the first place?”
>“oohh yeah that would of been a good reason”
>laugh track followed by bass guitar
>would of
Fricking efls
efls? you having a stroke or are you a moron?
he meant elfs but he's ESL so didn't realize the plural is elves
>would of
frick you
There's 30 games announced, only 3 of which are not ports from SteamVR
It's going to become a Beatsaber and Pavlov machine just like PCVR and Quest
>beat saber and pavlov without the modding support since sony probably won't allow it
what the frick is the point?
Pavlov probably has modding on PSVR2, the whole reason they ditched Steam Workshop is to have cross-platform mods.
I wish mod.io had a better interface, I actually approve of having a cross platform mod launcher that you access from within the game itself because that feels like it should be the default. The issue is from my experience using it they don't have a good way to sort through content, in Bonelab for example adding a mod.io repository just kinda dumps everything into one pool with no regard beyond alphabetizing for searching/organization, which is moronic.
The developer said on dickcord that mod support will be on PSVR 2, but probably not for a year due to console regulations and with no copywritten content
So basically nothing
It's basically going to be a Gran Turismo helmet.
Re4
As in playable on neither PS5 flat nor other VR platforms? There's a Dark Pictures literal on-rails shooter that utilizes eye tracking, Before Your Eyes is coming for the first time as a VR exclusive and utilizes eye tracking, the Horizon 8 hour tech demo, some extra content for RE4 Remake maybe and Firewall Ultra which is a sequel to a PSVR exclusive.
The biggest issue is you can't play PSVR1 titles on it. So whats the fricking point?
Wait seriously? No BC? That would be the stupidest decision imaginable for this type of hardware, all those PS4 VR games locked to that horrible headset?
supposedly, it'll have GT7 - as in entire game in VR, not a bunch of tiny special missions. Simgays love VR, it's a perfect environment for it except for massive forum boomers, they hate it because muh triple display setup. I can see this thing selling even just for GT7, and even though I already got Index, I think I can see myself buying this headset for GT7 purposes. Sounds like enough value for me, and if anything more pops up, say full-VR ace combat 7, i'll be crazy happy.
Only issue is most simgays have already abandoned Playstation for pc that has almost every type of sim imaginable plus ability to use motion Sim chairs that I doubt Sony would even have support for
Pure simgays will always pick PC. Other platforms don't have either iRacing or first rFactor from 2005, so they cannot compete. Still, I imagine there is a huge market for casual car racing fun with just a wheel and VR headset, in a good-looking and polished simcade with career mode and amazing engine sounds.
WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH PLAYSTATION?
Sony99er!
He's a Sony99er!
Comes with one free game, VR Room. It's a virtual representation of a Sony fan's room, complete with TV, PS 5, and an empty shelf of PS 5 games.
>VR in 2023
Best part is, PSVR2 will take away the resources for developing PS5 games
it's absolutely baffling that sony is wasting money on vr. that tech isn't going anywhere, and customers don't give a shit.
I give a shit I just want actual games for it. I don't even need HL:Alyx AAA games. I'd buy a dozen more ported titles like RE4 if they were ported with half the care. I didn't even give a shit about the censoring, it was just fun. What Sony is doing isn't baffling, what Facebook is doing is fricking baffling.
it's a niche product. i understand a company like valve fricking around with vr, but sony is so hyper focused on profits it doesn't make any sense.
sony relies on 3rd party games to pick up the slack on vr games, but even then these games don’t justify spending half a grand on the vr headset
yeah, that's the vita situation.
meaning it's DOA.
They are still stuck in 7th gen with everyone else and they know it. They are watching gaming be rendered into slop because even AAA companies have stopped investing in games and they have no idea how to fix it. They see people investing in VR and think that's the solution but they still need AAA companies to support it.
There is no way to escape 7th gen because of normalgays providing reliable revenue with no need to stand out.
It needs an investment to release a noteworthy game and would kill the flatware games from a lot of studios if it caught on. Even if they released and supported the controllers separately it would still kill a lot of games that are built around the inadequacies of the standard controller.
The lack of AAA in VR is a feature not a detriment
>baffling
its not
its a part of opening door for demonic infestation and possessions
based schizo
its true tho
we live at the end of age and the start of the new
you will see things that you could not even imagine
all that AI doing shit is just demons that are bond to circuits
Chorizophrenia
>Chorizophrenia
not even real word
but whatever, world is turning mad and so most of people(if they are not already mad)
thanks
I understand that this is not believable and not even plausible. its just I dig out deep enough in rabbit holes that its started look like only sensible conclusion
Anon, It may sound menacing to you and your agitated mind, but I know some sorcery. And let me tell you that while about 10% of sorcery is dependent on Demons and entities like such, the rest of It isnt , but rather depends on your Blood, semen and such biologicals.
Lay low, man.
yes?
is that suppose to surprise me?
also there are different types of sorcery, right heritage is most important sure but there are other ways to do it
No, I dont mean heritage. I mean collected biologicals. Like you donate Blood and bam! Yer done for, or they get a hold of hairs, nail clippings and such.
ah bad old witchcraft
sure
that is why anyone who tested will be sick not because of virus but because of curse
vaxed are in even more dire circumstances
The other anon was right, it's imposible to have you look at things with perspective
elaborate then
Essentially, take good care of where your body waste goes and you neednt worry.
In spite of fedoras getting and aneurysm, sorcery works like a science, so It can be negated
The thing about schizophrenia is that nothing I say is gonna sway you one way or the other. Your world sounds a lot more exciting and movie-esque than mine, though. Thus, based schizo rather than cringe schizo.
The sod has probably seen some shit
Sony doesn‘t seem to understand that everybody is using it only for porn. VR porn on PS5 is rather limited.
Ehh. With PSVR, that was the highest selling consumer headset in the market for a long while, and first party funding/support made it a strong foundation for the medium. To top it off, it was overall the cheapest and most consistent high-grade option in its time when considering hardware cost of the console versus a good PC. Right now though, the cost for the new version is immense, the console is costly already and the software support would likely be meager, I imagine. Not even the base console gets much support. Bit of a mess.
Yeah, that's the size of it.
They wasted their money on eyetoy kinect spinoff 3d and now this bullshit vr twice.
Why the frick do all vr headsets cost 1k usd now?
Why is Ganker so wrong about trends?
My one nephew loves the Quest2.
He plays VR Amogus, VR Minecraft, and this VR game where you're santa delivering presents.
The quest has been a poison pill for the VR market, with many games being made for it first and being held back by its hardware.
if anything id say the opposite, it has proven that graphics were the real gimmick (and probably why devs are panicking and denouncing vr since theyve invested so heavily in graphics that no one can even tell a difference on) and onboarding people to pc (specifically for access to vr mods).
If you can't tell the difference in graphics for something made for the quest and something made for PC, like alyx, then you're outright blind. Next you'll tell me that three many racing games ported from phones to PC don't look like mobile phones
>difference
Except he didn't say that, and he is right, graphics whoring is a cancer, you have companies full of people doing assets to fill up a "game", but no one to make sure it is fun.
>He didn't say that
Read the parenthesis then
>santa delivering presents.
probably vrchat
I know you're being funny, but no.
You're in teh sleigh, dropping presents down chimneys.
He's seven. So furries won't be on the menu for a few years still.
But will undoubtedly happen, as he's a huge Sonic fan
>He's seven.
all VR headsets are 13+
haha
Contrarianism and dishonest projection of their own purely emotional opinions. There is so much you can do with VR alone by just converting flatties into full geometric 3D. Including the mod scene. Then it is compounded by more practical application like being a god send for anyone doing animation work.
Only real taint VR even has now is being associated with Cuckerborgs face thanks to facebook jumping the gun and trying to monopolize it even before it really established its roots. Facebook involvment is also rather harmful other then the negative marketing in that they are trying to kill off the supply chain of other providers like the company that makes lenses for the valve headset
does it work with other VR games or is it sony only?
Take a wild guess.
Jews?
Why hasn't anyone stepped up yet and started making good VR games?
Because "stepping up" means risking millions of dollars.
Poor investment.
>just waste time on money on a shitty novelitty device
nah m8
>Quest 2 has 90% of the marketshare
>Software sales on the quest market are wii tier
>Hardware is so bad that you are essentially developing for a five year old smart phone
I have no clue how VR works but I assumed it (the headset) worked with your PC hardware and the VR headset was just some sort of peripheral to see in game and control shit while your PC did the hard work?
Quest 2 is a standalone system. It has a glorified smart phone inside of it. You can connect it to your pc or stream to play pcvr games but most people use it as a standalone.
>standalone system
what the frick why
>You can connect it to your pc or stream to play pcvr games
does that make it run off of my PC hardware instead of it's own or...?
its standalone AND you can use on your PC for VR games on there
so if the quest is just a console that can double up as a peripheral why are the others so expensive?
shouldn't they basically just be mini special built monitors with custom controllers with lower prices?
why the bare minimum 400 USD price tag?
keep in mind, I am a tech illiterate person who doesn't know shit about VR
>why are the others so expensive?
cause facebook took a loss when they sold them for 300$ (and barely makes any money at 400$). everyone else put dumb shit like eye tracking and lips tracking, and want an actual return on profits
because until recently zuckerberg were forcing people to sign up to facebook in order to use a Quest 2 and sell all their data to make up for the headset being cheap
Because, like every console, they make more money from software sales on their own store, so they can sell the headset for cheaper. Making a headset without base stations requires developing your own AI tracking software or licensing it, since there's no open source solution like Valve's SteamVR Lighthouses. Valve is working with a company that's woking on open-source tracking so we can expect that by their next headset.
Headsets also have lenses and cameras.
I have a quest 1. Facebook does EVERYTHING in it's power to make playing PCVR a pain in the ass. They want to force you to buy their new Quest and play mobile on their shit service. One of the few games that was any good in VR was The Climb.
Climb 2 looked amazing.
>lol sorry no we're making it both Quest 2 exclusive and by default mobile exclusive
A game where 50% of the selling point is the amazingly immersive graphics...confined to a mobile platform. Fricking idiots.
>Facebook does EVERYTHING in it's power to make playing PCVR a pain in the ass.
What's going on there in 2023? Curious, I dropped Oculus after CV1, but back then they were honestly still a bunch of somewhat good guys, There was no meta, and running SteamVR with CV1 was as simple as launching SteamVR, nothing more needed.
The last time I used it I had a problem with the update letting me connect to Steam. That was fine a day later. The big thing is I got a warning saying my device will not work by some date unless I switch to using a verified real world/real name facebook account. I'm sure there are ways around this, but why? Same with keeping a game like Climb 2 locked to mobile shit.
You know, Facebook req went away
Thank god. I don't want to completely put away the VR because I hope there will be a significant moment of improvement.
100%. Cheap/accessible VR cameras would be a fantastic leap forward. Not just porn, but something like a good little horror movie like Evil Dead in VR
Good 3d vr cams are already available. Go one gen back in the instaone series for like 300$ which are the best consumer vr cams. Current gen is like 500$ produces a Pic close to a 5,000$ production alternative. It's just we're kinda past the Era of owning a seperate camera for consumer level
Yeah. I was looking at VR rigs. It reminds me of the period of HD video in the 2000s. That awkward zone of being too expensive to be consumer, but not high quality enough for professionals. The JVC cam that donimnated back then was referred to as prosumer. Only high end pornograpgers and bottom end indie directors touched it. It became absolutely obsolete a few years later with the jump in DSLRs. Now your average phone crushes it. Maybe if cheap DSLR's or phones get to that point soon for VR we'll see some cool stuff.
Heres how It goes with Quest 2.
> Install app on pc
>Install app on mobile
>Enable Quest wifi linking on options
>Add Steam to pc app Game list
>(Once only) parir your headset with mobile and pc app
>Launch Oculus link from the headset
>Run either Steam or pc Oculus native games
See but complex but it's simple than It sounds
I meant steamvr
>Hardware is so bad that you are essentially developing for a five year old smart phone
This was true for Quest 1, not true for Quest 2
Basically
Quest 1 = Snapdragon 835
Quest 2 = Snapdragon 865(with AI capabilities and active cooling)
Quest 3 = Snapdragon 888(with AI capabilities and active cooling)
the frick is the quest 3
New Zucc headset iteration.
is so bad that you are essentially developing for a five year old smart phone
quest 2 is 10 faster than ps3, and almost as fast as ps4 spec wise, that goes for the cpu, gpu, memeory and bandwith
you can shitposts all you want, but new snapdragon smartphones chips are insane, even 3x faster than Quest 2 chip, snapdragon 2 specs
>3.2 ghz 8 core, 8mb cache cpu
>16gb lp ddr5 4200mhz
>3.5 teraflop gpu
this shit is no joke, its a fricking miricle you get hardware faster than entire consoles from just 7 years ago,
its not weak by any means, any game from up to ps3 era will run on it, hell even games made around 2012-2013 like crysis 2 should run butter smooth if anybody ever ports them
hardware isnt the problem, its lack of games, though RE4VR was great, wish we got more ports like this, ports that understand what makes VR good and also actually bother to redo textures and rebake lighting
>any game from up to [era from over a decade ago] will run on [hardware from today's standards, with the addition of needing to push more resolution because VR]
that's not really something to be proud of, honestly. It's led to stuff like Onward downgrading itself across the board visually just to keep up, and poor VRChat users being unable to access like 60% of the content
yes its not ideal, but games didnt look so bad those 10 years ago, the problem is the native resolution requirement, running games at native 4k is taxing even for a 4080 on new games, back then 1080 was the norm
still we have shit like temporal reconstruction and proper fov based rendering that should allow games to run 2x faster thats not being used almost at all in VR game
> It's led to stuff like Onward downgrading itself across the board visually just to keep up, and poor VRChat users being unable to access like 60% of the content
trying to have parity between an unoptimized title that barely runs on a 3080 with a gpu that 8x slower will always lead to such problems
The less access doesn't really matter now that optimization is starting to be pushed. Even pcvr users are blocking low optimized avatars etc
re4 in VR is worth the price of admission.
Nintendo
>won't make any game unless its on their system. won't make a system untill they figure out how to make it as comfortable as possible. which will never happen
Microsoft
>can't even make enough games for their console, let alone vr platforms that isn't on the xbox
Sony
>devote maybe 1-2 B teams, and halfass support cause they need all hands on deck for PS5 development and games as a service
Because Sony was busy making PSVR2. Notice how there was a wave of decent games during PSVR release and then everything died off.
>make good VR game
>VR users continue to ERP of VRChat isntead
It's complicated. Good Games can be made... Provided that you yield into wiener and pit territory
>good VR games
The best VR stuff is actually in racing-flying sims. You dont depend on those shitty ass motion controllers and the simulators were been developed for very long and the headset is just another peripherial to improve the experience. They are the ones who cried the most for making VR a thing.
The rest is shovelware and tech demos sold as a game.
This includes muh alyx yes...
Valve made it just to sell a bunch of their overpriced and now useless index because no other game take advantage of the refresh rate and no one else will since of the hardware requirements to just run a game in VR is simply too high cept you play those mobile tower defense or shit like beat saber wich can be played on literal phone hardware, while the shitty faceberg quest 2 has better resolution for a fraction of the price and resolution is king because the journey to kill the "scren door effect" is still going.
Tl;Dr: simgays fooled anyone into making VR a thing and got what they wanted already.
The best VR game ever made is actually a PSVR1 exclusive, Astrobot Rescue Mission.
>Why hasn't anyone stepped up yet and started making good VR games?
>Meta bought up and shut down all promising smaller studios
>Meta shits up the market by having 3 seperate stores without crosbuy, making sure its impossible to create a games library
>bethesda shit up the market with shitty low effort scam ports like Doom VFR ( takes 20% of doom2016 and sells the demo as a seperate game ) Skyrim VR ( a shitty broken port of a 20 year old game ), Fallout 4 VR ( same as Skyrim ), Wolfenstein VR ( another scam demo )
>40 different headsets on the market, the most popular one, quest 2 by meta requires a fricking exorcist to get working in PCVR, otherwise you are releasing on their broken 3 store platform, better buy on the right website lol
I blame Meta and Bethesda for taking a huge shit on the market early on. The low effort shit bethesda flooded the market with is what people think VR is, just shitty gimmicky mods for 20 year old games or scam 30 minute demos.
Meta meanwhile wants to destroy the idea of steam like online store, you will buy a game per headset, you buy new headset, you buy new games.
Also Zuck fricking hates video games, he only cares about his shitty VR world, if he could he would shut down any VR game development he could, fricking Meta is buying studios left and right and then shutting them down tunneling people into meta horizons.
Now the market is shit, broken up and despite insane quest 2 sales, 20 million units or something, there is no third party publisher willing to enter the market, and Meta refuses to make first party games, in fact their entire focus is to shut down existing games they have, occulus studio went from publishing games like stormland and asgard warth, lone echo to realising nothing in 2 years.
Nintendo makes first party games
Sony makes first party games
Microsoft makes first party games
Meta has no made a single game for their most popular headser, quest 2
That's a lie. Many Oculus store Games do have crossbuy, just not all.
>many
>some
>you need a fricking diploma to figure it out
the fact that not all do already discredits it as a legitimate store
instead of a single store with list of supported hardware per game you get dozen separate stores that sometimes link together sometimes not, each with different price so you can buy the same game for quest 2 for 10$ in one store and see it at the same time for 40$ in another
fricking unacceptable
There's one store alone and a drop down menu to choose device, you neednt a diploma
VR is like Kinect where it was only really made for one kind of game and everything else is either a gimmick or utter shit. For Kinect it ws the dancing games. For VR I have no idea. The additional problem of VR is the 3D glasses problem, it is fricking inconvenient to use. VR is not viable for the masses unless the figure out how to make it usable without making you look like a drone in the matrix and make it cheap.
Sony lost the VR2 as soon as they made it expensive.
That could be possible. Reducing the size of the headsets and distributing more and more processes to the console. But optimizing a console for VR probably won't happen.
Why not? Nintendo has been adding VR and AR to their games, BotW has a "VR" mode, same as Mario Odyssey, they are interested in AR/VR, it will happen, but maybe not soon.
I actually mentioned nintendo possibly doing this here
There are tons of glorified tech demos showing off a range of possibilities with VR that isn't just POV. Mouse is a very good example. Using the nintendo example - Zelda would be something like Climb meets the Valve archery games etc.
But Mario could be like Mouse (which feels like you at a really elaborate, insane tabletop controlling a little mouse around it).
I mean, there is lots of stuff there to work with...just maybe no demand.
You are REALLY wrong.
Games on Kinnect were shit because Kinnect was shit. It desynched and misinterpreted any basic movement.
>it is fricking inconvenient to use.
Quest2 is literally the googles and 2 controllers, all set up in 2 minutes.
>made for one kind of game
I fricking WISH Steel Battalion for shitnect was delayed 4 years and released on a platform that reads the fricking inputs correctly.
You won't make many games other than FPS because the point of VR is immersion.
>It desynched and misinterpreted any basic movement.
Sorry but I had a Kinect and this is a lie.
>Quest2 is literally the googles and 2 controllers, all set up in 2 minutes.
People found the 3D glasses inconvenient
>immersion
The only games that really work on VR is sitting/standing and manipulating shit. Essentially a better Kinect with rollercoaster rides.
>For VR I have no idea.
-social sims like VR chat (requires full body tracking so you can make your e-girl rig dance to anime music)
-toybox games like Boneworks
-first person driving/flight sims (requires steering wheel/flight stick and maybe even a fancy chair)
>social sims
niche for extreme freaks
>toybox
niche for people who have no idea what to do with their VR gear
>driving/flight sims
was always a niche, but this group getting VR gear is the most realistic. too bad that even there, it's a niche of people who actually get it.
Those toybox games are the biggest draw for VR right now. Anyone can strap a headset on and throw random objects around a small room for 30 minutes and walk away entertained.
But at the end of the day its still an expensive Wii-style gimmick purchased by many but truly enjoyed by few.
Beat Saber is a rhythm+dancing game unlike anything you can play on any hardware, and is very good unlike Kinect. Though it's still very narrow use case.
In terms of inconvenience, it's not just the inconvenience of putting it on, but sweat due to physical action and standing. This makes VR much less accessible compared to flatscreen games. Roomscale VR won't replace your usual movie games. Roomscale VR will only work for short spectacular novelty immersion games, which we don't have the hardware to run. Flatscreen gamers keep talking how graphics can't get better anymore, but in my personal experience, stereo vision of VR on a high res headset like Reverb G2 quickly reveals the limits of the fidelity, even though it's running at 30 fps and the pixel density and FOV are far from being maxed out. PSVR2 will look nice due to good optimization and eye tracking, but even that is only the first taste of acceptable quality VR.
What I believe VR has viable future for, is sit-down games with controller or mouse+keyboard like Hellblade VR (controller) and Overload (m+kb). Those are 100x better in VR and have loads of headroom for more fidelity, FOV and comfort, Whereas on flat screen it doesn't really get better after 4K. A challenge of these games is motion sickness which some people get over and some not. I'd say Hellblade is already preferable to play on Reverb G2 but it would become even more worth it with better hardware.
Beat Saber is the worst example as it CAN be played with kinect, probably the simplest "VR" game I've ever seen.
because kinect is not 6dof thats incorrect. it can track basic hand movements but saber position
That can be solved with any gyroscope controller, even a cellphone. Beat Saber doesn't benefit from VR.
cope
Well, it doesn't if it can be played in its entirety without an HMD, then it wasn't made for VR
>can be played outside of vr
>you just need to recreate vr controller
>and change the presentation so it's playable without depth perception
>scratch that just make it dual stick game, where you flick your sticks in directions of arrows flying on screen
VRLET COPE
I am saying it is not a good VR game.
>The only VR game that is good enough to continuously enchant the masses after ten years of hardware gatekeeping nonsense is not a good VR game
I mean, I agree, but it sounds brutal when you put it like that.
not 1 to 1. even vr needs line of sight to counter the inaccuracy or the gyro
This is clearly an opinion of someone who hasn't played the game (on higher than beginner level)
I would say Kinect doesn't have the required accuracy and latency to play Beat Saber. On screen you also don't get the sense of what height (head/chest/waist) the notes are coming from, which is integral part of the game and how good maps are designed to make you move your body. Sure, you can flap your hands based on muscle memory but that's like half of the experience.
I'm underweight by the way. The reality is just that you won't be playing physical games for 5 hours a day after work, so you won't be cramming as deep games into the more limited timeframe. Especially when you allocate your physical energy to more fun physical activities like Beat Saber.
>The reality is just that you won't be playing physical games for 5 hours a day after work,
haha
>The reality is just that you won't be playing physical games for 5 hours a day after work
Yeah, rather play regular style for five hours while super-aware that you're not at the gym.
>The reality is just that you won't be playing physical games for 5 hours a day after work
Spending less time on games is not a downside.
>Beat Saber is the worst example as it CAN be played with kinec
it will be a different game because the cubes are actual 3D objects in relation to your head and hands, and not just an image on the TV
>, is sit-down games with controller or mouse+keyboard like Hellblade VR
Lazy fat frick, frick you.
overload made me sick after a single game but it was kinda sweet in that I think it was called forspoken clone way
>VR is like Kinect where it was only really made for one kind of game and everything else is either a gimmick or utter shit
>For VR I have no idea.
Okay moron.
There are a lot of games that are better in VR. It's not gacha shit so you probably never heard of them.
Valve did. VR literally forced the sleeping giant out of its slumber to finally make a real game after 8 years. It was good.
Good VR games are just normal games but in VR.
Because you literally can't. Almost every video game requires you to move your character around a world, which is cumbersome and annoying in VR; especially with a wired headset. HL Alyx is a great game but it too has this issue. Not even Valve could solve it.
t. had VR since the rift CV1
>Not even Valve could solve it.
Valve had moronic playtesters as usual
Is continuous movement with the thumbstick bad design? I’m legitimately asking. I’ve only played modded Skyrim with my headset so far, and it’s been a great experience. Thought I was done with the game forever, but being actually in Tamriel sucked me back in. Being honest, though, I never considered for a second actually physically walking around my room to move, though. That sounds awfully tedious, since you’ll run into a barrier every 3 seconds.
the vast majority of people get extremely motion sick with smooth motion.
This seems like the real reason why vr will always be niche. Too many people have weak stomachs, so you have to design to the lowest common denominator, resulting in compromised movement systems. Shooters with 6 degrees of freedom have also always struggled with this. Descent is one of the most innovative and still fun to play shooters of the 90s, but it gets little acclaim, because stomachlets can’t hang.
just make partreon vr porn
I’m flattered, anon, but I don’t think the masses will see what you see in me.
No outside of roomscale games. Turning with a thumbstick is tho.
Valve has never solved anything related to gameplay.
I don't even get what you're trying to say. Go back to ball and cup. It sounds more your pace
then you're a moronic ESL. Everyone else managed just fine.
>Almost every video game requires you to move your character around a world, which is cumbersome and annoying in VR
Ball and cup is stationary
Literally just push a stick. Wow, so hard.
And I bet, I fricking bet you meanwhile see nothing wrong with gamepad controls.
Why would you preorder a PSVR2 if you still can't walk into a store and pick up a PS5?
If it was compatible with PCVR, I'd buy it
I'll never buy a Playstation no matter how hard Sony tries
They said it would be then went back on that. Shame too, because for VR it's a decent price.
>Not even compatible with PSVR1 games.
Lol, waiting on Index 2.
When is the Index 2 coming out.
probably some time 2023-early 2025
Ahahahahahahaha someone tried shilling this trash to me in another thread a few days ago
>b-but 2 million pre orders!
Its dead on arrival
PSVR is still the best selling vr headset of all time. This one will come around too.
Quest 2 passed it a while back at 14 million
https://www.androidcentral.com/gaming/virtual-reality/quest-2-units-sold-spring-2022
Frickerberg was smart pricing Quest 2 at "impulse buy" range around $350 and advertised it as an all in one solution that doesn't need PC (Though its compatible with PC) when it started off, then raised the price later on. PSVR 2 doesn't have that "Impulse buy" price tag and is hardware locked to a console so no matter what software it has. It's a hard sell to get people to spend $600+ on a headset that's limited.
>only works with PS5
>costs more than a PS5
In to the trash it goes.
Simply having official PC and Steam support would do wonders, even at that price.
yeah for that price you can just get PCVR set up.
What the FRICK were they thinking?
PC VR is why the Quest 2 was so successful in the first place. 350 for a decent VR headset with built in controller tracking + can be connected via usb OR wirelessly if you have a good router.
I bought a connecter for my Quest 1 for like 25 bucks.
It's so insane they didn't package a wireless or wired connection with the headset, trying to copy the Apple closed-off model. It just kills the potential.
Also one of my favourite things about Onward was that you could play an FPS like a moronic Taliban and it was EFFECTIVE. Just crouching behind cover, shoving your gun up above the top blindly and spraying guys.
Shame about scopes
what? you can do wireless on quest 1 through virtual desktop. max speed 800mbps tho compared to 1200 on quest 2
Hopefully it sells so badly that Sony has to write PC drivers for it just to clear out their inventory
Double no gaems and you can't even use it for porn since it doesn't work with PC. You have to be clinically moronic to buy this.
So I guess it's perfect for local sonygays.
Gotta make up for those poor PS5 sales a 200 dollar controllers won't cut it alone
Sony should have put ps4 tier hardware in it and sold it as a mobile console. Being tied to the ps5 is a death sentence.
VR will never become mainstream. It's simply too much of a hassle for your average normalgay.
if they make the next cod, fifa, or madden with vr support it will sell gorillions
What they need to do is give AAA games some kind of VR mode. But not like Hitman where you play first person with wobble hands. Just somehow play the game normally, but with a headset instead of a TV
They're doing that except 3d
Someone made a licensed NFL VR game but obviously without the Madden name
no, they could license and make those games and it would STILL not take off.
There are still two major reasons these headsets become dust collectors, its the space you need to play. Not many have 2mx2m or more to play comfortably.
Secondly, energy. With a console or pc you get back home after a long day of work and you sit down to play and relax. Vr requires energy, who the frick wants to stand up and flail their arms after work?
lastly, yeah, no games.
Pinball
For me it's mostly time, to play VR you need to fully immerse, can't do absolutely anything else, can't even take your eyes away.
Space has been a problem for me since I moved. I wish the wireless latency was better so I could run off my PC but be in my living room. Or they made more games that are seated (not driving sims - even something like Mouse is really cool/interesting). In fact plenty of traditional controller games could be fun in VR.
Literally just use a spinning stool.
Just admit you rent a 1 bedroom apartment because you're poor and are too fat for VR.
The majority of the people I've met in real life that uses VR are actually normalgays that haven't touched video games since like the PS1/PS2, plus a friend that was extremely hyped about buying one but then used it for like one month.
>hyped about buying one but then used it for like one month
This right here is the main problem
There's just no games that hook you for a long time unless you get really into vr chat (which is arguably more of a social platform than a game) or you start modding other games.
What really pisses me off is that I loved Pavlov but the devs split their already small playerbase by not having crossplay with the quest version. Now the PC version is dead outside of TTT servers.
>What really pisses me off is that I loved Pavlov but the devs split their already small playerbase by not having crossplay with the quest version. Now the PC version is dead outside of TTT servers.
they can't win here, if they didn't have a separate quest version then you would be complaining about how they downgraded the game to run on the quest
> if they didn't have a separate quest version then you would be complaining about how they downgraded the game to run on the quest
Contractors are proof that you can do both and well.
and Onward is the proof you can do extremely poorly.
RIP Onward, the best vr game of 2017-2018
onward's fatal flaw was lack of functional matchmaking. it looks like breachers is planning on following in their footsteps
Breachers is going to have a ranked mode so presumably that has to have matchmaking.
last I talked to them in discord they said theyre focused on esports which prioritize lobby browsers (like they currently have) they were basically making an excuse for why they don't want matchmaking
Well they can't have a ranked mode without matchmaking so I don't know what they're doing then.
>Well they can't have a ranked mode without matchmaking so I don't know what they're doing then.
What bullshit is this? Just create a server and name it "only for high tier players" and just kill bad players over and over until they leave
This is why nobody likes you.
>What is a server browser
Frick off zoomer.
>2016+7
>SUPERHOT VR is still the only VR game that uses the tech to it's full potential
>matchmaking
>better than a server list
OH HELL NO, vr games saved me from this modern gaming horror and you say it's good? Frick off.
maybe the devs are just moronic then, last time i played it on the quest the game didn't have scopes for performance reasons
>Dave
>not moronic
I honestly think Pavlov is a good game DESPITE Daves efforts, not thanks to them.
He just got just in time with user generated content, and just good enough weapon handling to make CS of VR.
all contractors needs is 24+ player servers and vehicles then it'll be better than pavlov
theres a free battlefield voxel clone on applab which actually looks fun. cant remember the name thoug h. il try to find it
its called firezone
https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/6312736602088905/
looks okay for free game but I'm guessing its quest only though right?
Seems so 🙁
If you can have crossplay between consoles and PC then there's no technical reason you can't have crossplay between quest and pcvr
There's plans to merge both versions, they are still adding things to shack, they recently added gore and lenses.
There's Contractors.
wtf I didn't even know they did preorders yet I never played my PSVR1 so I probably shouldn't buy this BUT
I believe VR is going to be huge in the future but all the news I hear about it just makes me shake my head.
It's off to a rough start. Faceberg quined everything before it really took off.
i have a quest 2 that literally collects dust
it’s so bad that you can’t even lay in bed with it and just use it as a hmd
unless there is a way to hack it but i haven’t found a way
I use it for pc vr. It's good for gaming and a portable vr wank.
>it’s so bad that you can’t even lay in bed with it and just use it as a hmd
what do you mean? what's stopping you?
i'vee been playing VR in bed lately because i'm super lazy. You can even disable the play area thing.
Smartphones were ultra-niche and, frankly, shit to use before the iPhone. So will Apple reinvent VR.
No one wants a gadget where you cover your face and can't even make eye contact with other human beings in real life. That's why Apple VR is going to make it -- you can change the XR mode at-will. Normies don't want to fricking leave their friends and family behind just to play a videogame.
Why would you want eye contact, aren't you supposed to be an autist
Every VR headset including the PSVR2 lets you do that, moron.
Are you talking about passthrough? Not even remotely the same thing. Calling other people moron...
How is Apple's passthrough not passthrough? Please do explain.
Transparent display.
Source? Because I haven't heard any leaks like that and google is showing nothing like this outside of speculation, and you'd have to be a delusional apple drone if you think they can solve the optical AR problem out of nowhere.
Apple is the best tech company currently. If a company manages to develop an AR system, it's them. Frick off with your biased opinions because "muh walled garden".
I still have a 12 year old iPod which works as good as new. I still have a 10 year MacBook which works as good as new. I still have a 5 year old iPhone which works
as good as new. Meanwhile how long have you had your Microshit computer or Android chink phone for? Yeah, I thought so. Frick off
i'll only consider the apple garden if the include 3d 180/360 camereas in iphones at atleast 4k res if not the ideal 8k otherwise they miss mass adoption in their first gen
Apple is shit. But I'd be fricking curious to see what they could do in the console/gaming market. If they could make VR mainstream I'd take back everything I've said about iPhones.
>If they made VR mainstream I'd take back what I said about another, unrelated, product
???
My Nexus 5x is from 2015, so that's over 7 years. And my computer has a CPU from 2009, not that it's a "Microsoft computer" because the huge majority of computers agent made by them. If you want to suck apple's dick you're free to do so but don't try to act like they're done sort of God, they're pieces of shit that not only make their shit harder to repair and lobby against rights to repair, but also have made shoddy devices because their design is fricked and something like closing a laptop is enough to damage them because they made three cable that runs inside too short
Time to Update all the PS3 memes.
>1 game
He's lying
It's Bloodborne, PS has exactly one game shared between generations
FRICK VR WHERE THE FLYING FRICK IS PSP2?!?!?!?!?!?!
>vr threads on Ganker
I wish that was me
do you?
If the headset require a cable why would they be outside?
>cable the size of a gas pump cable
>headset protrusion for no sane design reason
woahh.... this raelly says a lot about our future...
Another L for Jimbo. Hopefully this necessitates his ouster. The Japs like you when you make them money, not so much when you waste it on niche novelty items nobody cares about.
>not backwards compatible with their own PSVR 1 games
Wtf is Sony smoking.
Has nothing yo do with the price.
The entire world is going through massive recession and hyper inflation if you haven't noticed. People have more important things to buy and worry about than the latest toy.
They're raising the price of ports. For example kayak is 22$ on steam will be 35$ on ps5
What should I buy if I just want to experience VR porn and/or watch movies in some fake theater VR?
you can buy a psvr (the original one) and download a program so it interfaces with your pc
I don't know how good it is though, but I know you don't actually need a PS4/5
A lot of people think buying used is gross but you really can't beat the price. I got a used cosmos elite for a hundred and thirty bucks and it has one of the best screens on the market.
Quest 2 or Pico 4.
>Pico 4
>not available in Canada
Sad. I don't want to give money to Meta
not that anon but if you get a quest 2 on sale enough they're probably not even breaking even lmao
Pico doesnt have a warranty in spite of being chinese
Amazon uk
meta is selling the quest 2 at a massive loss.
just buy a lightly used one and replace the headstrap if you think it's disgusting
>Pico
Boku no...?
Pico 4 for the lenses until quest 3 drops or if you don't mind spending 1k on quest pro or xr elite by htc
it would do a lot better if they announced that it works on pc and ps5
>Early on vr developers were all working together to support the growth of the technology
>Facebook bought up all their talent by offering laughably high salaries that no one could compete with and forbade them from working with the competitors
Based. You can now buy a Quest 2 and witness this talent yourself
cringe shill
You didnt understand my 300iq joke I see
That was my bad, anon.
There's nothing but garbage and shovelware on Quest 2 because the hardware is trash.
>hating an electronic device
You can always tell kids apart
Speaking the truth isn't hate. Are you upset I spoke ill of your favorite toy? The Quest 2 SoC is woefully underpowered and literally cannot run high quality/high production value titles because it simply does not have the performance to do so.
>Graphic gays b***hing about VR of all things not living up to his standards
Just go watch a movie anon, VR is about gameplay
>Hasn't confirmed the ability to use it as a PCVR headset with SteamVR
>"Oh no why is this expensive headset that will be locked to a console predominantly owned by scalpers rather than people and costs more than the console itself fail in sales?"
I just remembered right after I made this post
>Isn't backwards compatible with PSVR1 games on top of not being PCVR compatible
You mean I can't even fricking play Dreams in VR if I buy this thing? What the frick else would I do with it unless VRChat gets ported to PS5?
>dreams
holy shit, someone else who played dreams. sorry anon, sony isn't gonna do anything with with it. poor media molecule
I wish they'd at least port Dreams to PC, even on my PS4 pro that framerate is rough even on performance mode in options.
I have no desire to buy a PS5 now that I have a steam deck, and literally the ONLY reason I boot up my PS4 nowadays is for Dreams, it ain't bloodborne, it ain't uncharted, it ain't the last of us, it's Dreams. I would buy that game at full price a second time if it ever came to PC.
Eye tracking is why it's so expensive. They shoulda dropped eye tracking and bundled full body trackers instead
PSVR2 literally couldn't exist without eye tracking is the problem. It has to be using foveated rendering to cope with underpowered console hardware.
or you know, don't bank on just graphics and actually develop some neat gameplay
Hey now, you're preaching to the choir, 2 of my favorite PCVR games I play on my Index are Compound and GZDoom VR.
>GZDoom VR
my homie, hope you try out ancient dungeon
I literally backed ancient dungeon on kickstarter, I've played it.
Damn these look good. Whats a good vr headset that doesn't need the stupid room tracking cameras?
I see people shilling the Quest, but can I use SteamVR with that?
You can if you don't mind getting your data cucked by the zucc. It won't be as good as a native PCVR headset though, it's like playing a youtube video inside your headset, with bitrate issues and stuff.
If you have a pc you can, also wirelessly... for free
>cameras
They're motorized infrared lights 😐
Quest2 has no extra cameras or wires required.
Literally werks by just turning it on, and piracy for standalone is easier than for normal PC.
>no 2 handing
>no hands
>no physical reloading
>no controller smoothing, pointing long guns with 1 hand tends to be very shaky in tense situations
Tried it, didn't like it, although I'm sure other people who prefer simpler ports are fine with the lack of interactivity.
>no 2 handing
yeah but it's GZDoom with mod support in VR, that would cause some problems.
>no hands
Yeah but it's GZDoom with fricking mod support in VR
>no physical reloading
see above
>no controller smoothing, pointing long guns with 1 hand tends to be very shaky in tense situations
This is the only part that actually bothers me.
Do you needful of the pc to install gzdoom vr?
I mean, I'm sure someone's made a quest version, it's fricking doom, it's on everything, though I don't know where I would find it, I play VR games with a valve index.
What I'm playing is
https://github.com/hh79/gzdoomvr
Launched with ZDL the way you'd launch any source port so I can swap between VR and non VR/launch mod load orders easily
https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZDL
I don't know if a quest version of GZDoom would have a similar process of acquisition or not.
My pc died, and it's gonna be a while unti I have another. So I better get my hands on Quake and Doom anyhow.
(I'm playing shitty Quest Games rn)
Compound is fun, we need more games that focus on the gameplay first.
Good graphics ae nice, really nice in VR, but gameplay always comes first.
Anyone else realized that Sony kinda fricked themselves with the eye tracking thing?
>only fully renders what you see
>so i assume YouTube recordings or livestreaming of the game is gonna look like fricking dogshit
So it will be
>oh I'm interested in buying a psvr2
>lemme look at some gameplay
>why does it look so fricking bad?
>why don't I just get a PC vr instead?
Thats why almost every other headset dropped eye tracking when they were originally planning it
Cameras for eye tracking are not that expensive, moron. The reason it's uncommon is because it costs to research and develop. The cost probably comes from the great haptic feedback on the headset and controllers, and the controllers having force feedback and finger tracking, and the overall build quality.
>port horizon
>port god of war
>port days gone
>port spider-man
>port returnal
>port fricking sackboy adventure
>don't port dreams
wtf did they forget it even exist
Almost all of those will get a vr mod on pc while psvr2 will only rely on quest ports
Terrified it will be broken open. Also no way to even remotely police ip bullshit, which is what murdered lbp2 and caused 3 to be so bland.
dreams was actually one of the first games rumored to come to pc.
i guess they dropped it because no one gives a shit.
There were lots of people who gave a shit, we simply weren't listened to or drowned out by console warring morons. As I said, I actually own Dreams on a PS4 and I want it to come to PC. Controlling your imp with a gyro is a good idea when you're consooming other people's content but fricking awful when you're actually trying to create a dream yourself because it's too jittery.
Dorito Pope hinted at a PC Dreams port a while back.
I'd like for it to materialize. Preferably with SteamVR support.
If they're worried about transferring controller glyphs and stuff since people have made artwork for their dreams that is made with PS4 in mind, then you could simply have a "this button would be X, this button would be triangle, etc."
I read somewhere the guy who made the old PSVR work on PC commenting that PSVR2 will likely never work with a PC
Literally this, everyone who even has a mild interest in vr knows that the pc has the only noteworthy vr games.
Not just short 2-3 experiences or "heres this normal game but now with vr gimmick" but full vr games.
If a vr headset can't play HL Alyx or Pavlov or HHG, then its basically worthless
Pavlov is broken now and anyone shilling hhg is full of shit
I don't have a vr, so thats literally the only vr games of internet I know of.
Contractors is the number 1 pvp respawn shooter. It's basically literally call of duty/ star wars battlefront in vr. Replaced Pavlov after contractors got a huge revamp update like a year ago.
Alyx is old. It's mods keep it relevant but if you're playing mods there's a ton of better content. I've probably put more hours into risk of rain 2 vr than alyx.
I'm looking around, how good is the HP reverb G2? Anyone who has one can vouch for it?
The high resolution is pretty cool. Would totally replay some Dirt Rally with it
>The screens
better than valve index
>the mic
worst on the market
>the headphone part
identical to valve index, so good
>the controllers
trash, but at least not as bad as Vive wands were. You'll want to replace them with lighthouses + index controllers down the line, but they're going to at least let you play a good chunk of VR games, even if you have to manually go into steamVR binds sometimes to sort issues out.
You can replace the controllers? Guess I never thought about it like that.
I would like to replace them with the index ones
it's quite pricey to do that, in which case you might as well get an Index for better support. The better resolution of the HP reverb does come at a cost, it's not a straight upgrade; the view becomes blurry if the headset shifts even a little on your head, and the FOV is much smaller. So basically it's higher resolution partly because the pixels are condensed into a smaller area.
Does the Index need the room tracking cameras? I have enough room to move around but not to mount camera tripods
you don't have to put them on tripods. the recommended way to mount them is directly to the walls, taking up no space.
Yeah but check refurbished prices. They go in sale for like 200 from time to time
Absolutely don’t buy it for full price, but if you can get it for $300-$400 it’s awesome. You will need a beefy computer to drive the high resolution. The controllers aren’t as good as other headsets, but I haven’t had any issues with desyncing or losing tracking.
Pavlov's mod "support" is a complete fricking joke. These guys remade TF2 for contractors, and it's still in active development.
Looks pretty cool. Does this have fun coop modes ? I don't really care for VR PvP games.
They announced a VR headset that can't play prior VR titles from it's previous VR head set. Of course it got shit pre-orders. You are asking people to spend hundreds of dollars for no access to games they had.
Goddamm I wish I was in charge of SIE. What the frick is Jim doing?
If they made it compatible with pc I would buy it but I'm not buying a PS5.
It's not even compatible with PS4 PSVR titles.
Yeah it's bullshit. The thing will barely have any games you can play. Might as well just get a quest 2 or wait for the new one since it doesn't require a pc to use. I'm sure the features on psvr2 are cool and all but if there's nothing to play it's kinda pointless.
Or not get anything since VR will never be successful because everyone has to make their own fricking VR device that can't play other VR titles released on other VR devices.
It's all fricking pointless.
Same fricking problem with shit like Multiverse. You either have 1 VR universe for everyone to log onto with brands and shit in it or you don't have any at all.
I can't even see how this will sell 1 million units
No way this shit costs more than the actual console when I bought a my PCVR headset off ebay for like $150
Unless you already have a ps5 theres no reason to buy a psvr2 and even if you do, chances are you will like vr to the point that you'll be jelly of all the vr mods pcvr users are making videos of and sell both your ps5 and psvr 2 to get a gaming pc and wireless headset (although if coming from psvr2 you will probably prefer a wired one)
The problem with the PSVR 2 is that it will easily be outdated in a year. It's big and bulky, with resolution that isn't really that future proof and it still uses Fresnel lenses rather than the more up to date lenses called Pancake lenses. OLED is really the only thing that makes it stand out from other VR headsets. Eye tracking will obviously be way too under utilized to actually make it worthy to buy for.
Also, the controllers are fricking enormous. Pic related doesn't show how big it really is but it's twice the size of the bottom controllers.
Imagine asian hands holding this.
Reminder that Alan "Shovel Hands" Chambers is 7'8 so the fact they still look huge is crazy.
apparently the quest 3 will also have OLED so it doesn't even have that going for it in the long run
I've heard it won't.
I'm not sure at this point.
Multiple outlets seem to be running with the narrative that it will. There doesn't seem to be any official statement though so I guess it could be wrong.
Eye tracking is actually a huge social negative. Now everyone will know when youre staring at their breasts
You say that like I care.
In the new ban happy world you should.
Stare at breasts, money stolen
I'll just get my autism diagnosed. Will make me almost untouchable in my country kek
Eye tracking is how you get foveated rendering, which is what makes the psvr 2 capable of the graphics it's capable of.
If you care so much about what other people think of you I get the feeling you're not into VR anyways, don't you care about "strapping a screen to your face", "waggles" or any of the other stupid shit people say about it?
The webms of people falling over using it?
This is where you draw the line?
>no half life alyx
literally what's the point?
valve's the only developer who actually put out a proper AAA game on that shitty system and you can't even get them to port it??
>people expecting ports before hardware is even out
Haven is a prostitute, he’ll port it eventually
Gaben*
Already got mine locked down but yeah Sony are moronic to think it would sell 2 million that fast considering the price and the fact that the PS5 JUST got easier to buy, it will be a slow and steady race if there even is a race to begin with...
>no one wants It
>Moviegames
>Quest 2 one of the biggest selling consoles this gen
Lmao
The no BC thing is pretty idiotic. I know some of those PSVR games utilize the PS4's light bar for controller tracking but I think the amount of sales they would gain by having the devs adjust those games to account for the PS5 controller to make them forwards compatible would outweigh whatever the devs would ask for. I understand not doing it for every single game but the few top tier PSVR games like Until Dawn, Blood and Truth, Wipeout, Astro Bot, it's idiotic not to at least bring these games compatible.
I mostly just want RE7. VR elevated that game in a way I didn't think possible and it's a fricking crime it's stuck on one of the shittiest headsets.
You have the mod for pcvr, though.
Isn't the PSVR version Head Aiming only?
So, PC version have proper hand aiming. Sorry for the homosexual youtuber, though.
And play station turd does not.
>Some guy in a basement made way better mode than an entire company
Why are devs so terrible these days?
>Why are devs so terrible these days?
diversity hire bloat
Well, in THAT case I'd blame shitty PSVR hardware. You can't even turn properly.
No one said they won’t update the old games. No BC means it won’t work out of the box which makes sense give lb differences in controls and rendering.
However every dev studio that is still in business will jump on a bandwagon to update their game because it’s essentially free money.
I don’t understand why everyone is hysterical about this.
I read on Vandal (inb4 lol spanish magazine) that there's a lista of games receiving update patches but I dont remember the particulars
>Frick Devs, Pay Modders
>Still not wire less
>doesn’t play old vr games like summer lesson
>doesn’t support pc and not many games and snoy banned most jap shit
after the shitheap tht the first one was no fricking chance
biggest fricking buyers remorse for anything sony related i've ever had, and i paid for TLOU2
Tethered VR is DOA for the majority of casuals. Convenience trumps all. Should have released either an alternative to Quest 2, OR a wireless connection with the PS5.
A standalone AR as the next psp and I woulda came back to sony. Probably even would've gotten a ps5
why would anyone buy a $600 headset that relies on a console to run when they can but a $300-400 headset that can run on its own and connect to a gaming computer.
at this point sony should support 3rd party headsets if they want to invest in the VR gaming market, i doubt that they make much from the headset sales.
> run on its own
To play what? I don’t want to play smartphone tier experiences.
Cordless morons need to shut the frick up.
>i dont
and yet a shit ton of zoomers do, if you are sony you want to target everyone, not just morons on Ganker
I actually wish I had some smartphone experiences in vr. I really want some autobattlers. Really surprises me none exist
What are the chances ps6 just gives up on vr?
High, they should go for standalone
Sony only succeeds because they got good at cutting losses and stopped selling what just won't sell.
How did this turd was greenlit is beyond me.
VR hardware is expensive to make. Most manufactures are losing money on it, in the hopes of gaining market share. Zuck is losing a LOT of money per headset to trick you into buying his spyware device.
And It shows, but it's a good toy. Compound alone works very well in standalone
>journo claims they want to sell 2 million
>same journo claims they now don't want to
All journos should be killed.
Don't forget that it has no backwards compatibility because they're complete and utter incompetent idiots leading to even less reason to pick it up. I was waiting on getting the first revision because it was already several years and PS VR2 already had rumors of coming out and the no BC killed it for me.
Why does VR suck so much bros?
>Watch VR video. Some morons on a theme park ride or whatever
>It's like 3D on steroids
>It's not like watching a movie, it's like you are actually sitting in a moving theatre chair watching real life
>"holy frick, diamond boner, porn is going to be incredible"
>literally all you have to do is shoot a porn video, just with a VR camera
...
>Every single fricking video is just stom static, boring POV. Guy doesn't even move, may as well be a dildo. Generic porn prostitutes just coo at camera
Why is it so hard for them to make anything good. With the tech they have now they could be making VR movies along the lines of something like 1917. But there is absolutely frick all. There is 3D hentai that could surely be upscaled and converted to VR.
Forget games. That's doomed. Just absolutely wasted tech. I haven't played shit on my headset for months. You could make amazing walking simulators. Instead they want you to pay AAA prices for tech demos. Now we have a recession so nothing is going to get made. Frick this timeline
>watch VR video
>watch porn VR video
>video video
>video
>complaining about 3 degrees of freedom when every single game allows you to move in all six ever since rift development kit 2 times
>forget games btw
you've only ever used google cardboard, didn't you
>There is 3D hentai that could surely be upscaled and converted to VR.
there is a million 3D VR hentai games to choose from
I use a Quest 1 connected to my PC.
>there a million...
Games and porn videos. They are all low effort shit that doesn't take advantage of the hardware at all. I may as well be using cardboard for all I've gotten out of this. It's the most frustrating tech. I remember playing some shovelware (afflicted). It was low res, half assed and like 5 minutes long. Even then it was a genuinely, physiologically, terrifying experience. Shitting my pants in my well lit living room. Or watching a Korean Idol dancing and it's like actually being in the room with a hawt bawd. But it is so frustrating because it is the absolute bare minimum of what the tech offers.
VR right now is like going to Disneyland and every ride is closed except the tea cups.
>They are all low effort shit that doesn't take advantage of the hardware at all.
So, what exactly did you try? Koikatsu? CM3D2? How was it bad, what kind of crucial features were you missing to the point where you compare it to going to the disneyland with everything closed?
See any high quality 3D hentai (NOT game, just videos). While adpating that to game form would be cool and all, it's the movie element (lack thereof) that really frustrates me. I can't expect a Hentai Game to have the same level of production as Alyx, obviously, but on the lower end, the jump from regular 2D porn (hentai or real) to simple VR porn is not that huge and it still isn't happening.
With the games, I just can't get into them the same way I don't play 2D hentai because it doesn't feel the same quality as real games.
>inb4 do it yourself
Have you got Elon's number? I can save VR
Also the Disneyland reference wasn't just for porn. VR in general. Games especially. It's primed for stunning CRPGs or walking simulators/survival horror (I wish RE7 came to PC, that seems perfect)
Why would you need Elon Musk when Unreal and Unity are free?
Because making decent animation or live action still costs a lot more money than I have.
The 3D Hentai could be made with significant time investment...
If you want a full consistent story and extremely high quality animation in VR hentai, I can recommend you Houkago Rinkan Chuudoku. But yeah, i guess i get your point now, cm3d2 and koikatsu are indeed wonky sandboxes.
>games
if Alyx, Boneworks, or stuff like Into the Radius is not good for you in terms of what VR could do, then i guess you won't be happy any time soon. You're right about this one, AAA quality is nowhere to be seen (Alyx aside), and all of the fun comes from all of the experimental vidya and semi-indie that are trying to figure out just how far can you take it. I loved smashing knees of my enemies with a brick in Boneworks and then watching them limp, even if game wasn't grand AAA overall, but to each their own.
>Alyx
>AAA
It seems like that compared to other games, but the game is severely lacking industry standards.
>Industry standards
There ARE no industry standards for VR games. Most VR games are glorified tech demos. Alyx was also a glorified tech demo, but Valve is very good at making tech demos.
No, but there are industry standards, like sprinting, or melee damage, or at least object damage, Alyx has none of those, it almost didn't even have smooth locomotion.
>insane polished visuals
>actual leveldesign
>actual enemy design, with all of the quirks on how to defeat them easier by hitting specific parts
>long and coherent story
>highly interactive, has puzzle, has tons of physics-based gameplay elements like trying not to have a shelf squeak on you when you open it to avoid alerting Jeff
>part of HL universe that's widely regarded as good shit
What exactly are those industry standards you're talking about? This game was full effort as far as vidya goes, turn it into a flatscreen game and it'll still be a very solid piece of vidya
Oh, but those are VR industry standards. In that regard, yes, Alyx is trash compared to all of the freedom you get in B&S or Boneworks, but that's kinda what AAA is about, isn't it? A polished, restrictive experience, just like flat AAA.
>highly interactive, has puzzle, has tons of physics-based gameplay elements like trying not to have a shelf squeak on you when you open it to avoid alerting Jeff
I think Jeff is the only time you actually interact with the world, can't think of any other part where you have to take yourself into account.
>he didn't find all the resin
I did, and I loved the game, can even say it's one of my favorite games, but it's lacking, on everything, even the SDK is extremely limited. What bothers me the most is the wasted potential, the game is great already.
Supposedly the real issue as far as standards go is lack of optimization (total pleb on the matter tho) and how devs stopped optimizing games like a decade ago which is why everything has to look like shit in vr native games
Will check out that title.
>What VR could do
That's my problem, precisely. VR is so frustrating because of what it can do but currently isn't. I definitely think the current gen will die out due to lack of games. Even Boneworks feels like a concept more than a fully fledged game. I don't know what the answer is. Unless you're getting a game like Alyx releasing once a month, I can't see VR becoming "standard", but obviously you don't get that without everyone taking up VR.
Only solution I can think of is the hardware (both headsets and cameras) somehow making a big reduction in price.
Next gen is in September with xr2+
Issue isn't really hardware now that we're getting pancake lenses and wifi 6e support. Issue is software but I suspect the unreal injector will solve most of that. Basically any non unreal release I will be wholly uninterested in once that happens
Q2 costs $300 already, you pay similar money for shit-tier PC display. No, price is not an issue.
Q2 isn't great without PCVR. If price isn't the issue, then what's the reason? Consumers just don't want VR? Or is there literally some jam up in the production pipeline that is stopping devs from making VR. I kind of expected VR optionality to be more common now. Even seeing COD VR packaged with new releases. Stuff like Alien Isolation for example got modded quite well. How much effort would it take for a Dev to make a VR option in the Dead Space remake for example?
>effort
A lot, if you just want head aiming and no interaction, they can do it in a day, but coding all the interactions take time, they are on your face now so you can't take shortcuts.
Quest 2 is the best way to get your feet wet in vr and decide if it's worth the price of a pc go expand your choices.
>Consumers just don't want VR?
It's a niche, but it's doing well at its niche. Oculus is huge, Index was selling so well you couldn't even get one without a queue for the first year of its existence. Vidya is the problem, it's pretty quiet recently, so what we need is more innovative devs and fun games. If someone doesn't want to drop $300 on VR, they just don't want VR at all, and only games can change that.
>How much effort would it take for a Dev to make a VR option in the Dead Space remake for example?
oh, a shit ton. You can half-ass it quickly and get something like Skyrim VR, absolute trash in vanilla state where you wiggle a sword to provoke a an emulated left mouse button press. If you want to actually make a good VR game, you build it from scratch, the way you operate and interact in VR is just so vastly different from flatscreen. Something as simple as shooting a bullet can already be a huge trouble, many games just trace a bullet from the center of your screen, so that has to be re-done so hitscan ray shoots out of the gun. And then suddenly shooting is no longer a player-only mechanic that uses some weird wonky classes and objects that handle shooting mechanics on screen, now it's an action related only to the gun, and then everything just flips itself upside down. It feels like VR port would be more bothersome to make than a full VR game from scratch.
Theres already some vr mods in progress for dead space. Think currently it's aim with head since it's early
RE4 is the closest you can get without remaking it completely, the combat part is great, feels so natural. But the interaction is complete ass, you can't even carry the items after you pick them up, or use them for their actual purpose, for instance the Sword puzzle in the castle, you can take the sword, inspect it thoroughly up close, but if you place it in front of where it goes, it does nothing, you have to save the sword on your inventory and then you can use the button prompt.
I would picture it less like modding the game after it's done and more that you would have a VR team working concurrently with the main team, so a lot of the design and asset work can be peeled off.
I remember playing Onward and thinking how sad it was that COD or Battlefront didn't take an Alyx style risk on a Triple AAA multiplayer shooter.
Annoyingly Meta did pour money into Medal of Honor, developed by Respawn, as a PC VR game, but it was just terrible in every way.
But yeah. Valve really fricked up because their preoccupation with babying players precluded multiplayer in their minds pretty much immediately. Unfortunately I think their comfort focus never panned out, the audience for VR just adapted to analog sticks and smooth movement, and multiplayer is really the heart and soul that keeps VR alive. You get so much in the way of VR interactions for "free" with multiplayer.
This guy set back all good VR games at Valve at least 5 years, his views are responsible for Vive wands as they were, he's the guy who scared into believing that motion sickness is a problem.
Thank god for independent devs, and tons of good VR indie games. Frick AAA titles.
It's fricking criminal that someone with some moronic minority neurological problem that precludes him from playing VR is in a position where he dictates how VR is made.
This is like putting someone in charge of CS who says you need controllers and aimbot for shooters because mice move too fast.
damn this is pretty devastating to read
If all VR games are made for the seasick normies there will never be anything interesting made
Medal Of Honor is cursed. Ten years ago they had the opportunity to bridge the gap between autism simulators like Arma and casual shooters with the contemporary Medal Of Honor reboot. They went to the trouble of paying enlisted SEAL Team 6 operators to give them all the details of modern combat (to the point that it led to an FBI raid). They had all the ingredients. And then...the finished game was a complete shoddy mess.
They had the golden oppoetunity to tip VR into the mainstream and fricking dropped the ball hard.
now you've reminded me about the scopes they made, and how the game requires beast GPUs to run, even while not looking that good.
And the fact that missions are 5 minute setpieces mixed with 10 minute cutscenes. And the whole game is over 100 gigabytes
This. It took all of ten sticks to get used to Onward. Smooth motion in particular was of course crucial. Shame it felt like a haphazardly chucked together game. Imagine if they had honed it to at least Insurgency tier. It was honestly so much fun even it's crude state EVEN after Meta raped the graphical performance.
I still hope Battlefield gets desperate and releases a good multiplayer VR shooter.
I think EA might be done with VR. They only wanted that Facebook money to begin with and I don't think they got much of a return. It's funny though because Meta did buy out the developers of Onward, who've done nothing but downgrade Onward since.
ea just released grid ledgends (albiet an ass ugly port with zero optimization effort to make it look halfway acceptable)
This is why we need to popularize homemade vr porn. But that won't happen till we start getting 3d 180/360 cams embedded into smartphones
psvr 1 was literally resident evil 7 at launch and then years of shovelware and tech demos for $30-40 each. they didnt even bother to make ace combat fully vr. the initial hype slowoy died down and the realization set in that there would be no triple A vr games released. i wasted 500 euros on the first headset and not going to do the same mistake again. wait a year to see what games will come out but my suspicion is its go8ng to be psvr 1 all over again
You bought a PSVR and didn't bother with Astrobot? Full moron.
Ship, not sell.
Best girl Miyeon!
>not wireless
>can't also use on PC for porn
>no BC
>no must have exclusives
>modern sony sucks ignoring all of this.
Yeah this was dumb.
Now we wait until Nintendo releases their VR solution.
If Nintendo made their next machine a VR stand alone machine that can deliver PCVR quality without wiring, and releases several Triple A titles that take advantage of what we know works in VR now (Zelda and Metroid would be especially strong candidates) they could save the medium and have a real hit.
>working with PC
Well, that would be impossible, Nintendo hates sharing their toys, however, they carried the entire Wii generation, if anyone can push VR, it's them.
Not working WITH PC, having PC quality. Essentially not a stand alone mobile headset, but a headset/console combo, but having a way to make the wireless latency a lot better. I love having no wires on The Quest, but the wireless connection to PC isn't good enough.
From their talks about labor vr, they tried their hardest to make vr comfortable (mainly on the face) and will only try vr again if they can do it better. Nintendo won't do vr unless they get it to a point where it feels like wearing glasses, which will be a long time from now
i know this place is full of consolewarring morons with a hateboner but stop being so pathetic and stupid
I'm only interested if Alyx gets a PS5 port because my PC can't run it.
Otherwise, like other anons have said, VR is best enjoyed on PC where you can ERP as a furry e-girl for free.
Slash the price homosexual. It’s ancient technology soon to be one upped by apple. You have a tether and require additional controllers. Can’t even track your hands or give you free range to roam.
DOA
>expensive as frick
>no worthwhile games
What the frick are they thinking?
The psvr 1 sold 4 million on expensive hardware and little to no games, guess they thought they can get 4 million sold again using the same tactics
They actually did manage to get some software on there. My doubts are about this go around and how the cost advantage is effectively gone.
Sony kept putting the move controllers and the set on sale. My friend got his full set for 200.
Just make it easier to use on PC, Jim. You're already started releasing PS5 exclusives onto it 2 years after the console came out, have this headset available for PC too.
$600 is a pretty good price for a quality HMD.
I have a PS5 and I'm interested in VR but I'd never buy this thing despite it being a perfect upgrade to my Vive.
>no PC support
>not even backwards compatible with PS4 VR
what's the point in buying one when it only plays one generation of an already limited library? I'll just stick with my Vive until an Index 2 comes out. If there was a device that worked on both PS5&PC it'd be the obvious choice, but since Sony is making me choose between one platform or the other I'm obviously choosing a PC headset.
I think psvr 2 is gonna backfire so bad for sony that due to the sheer amount of quest ports and number of previously ps5 exclusives thay will be getting vr mods shortly on pc that ps5 won't be able to even play in vr that many psvr 2 adopters will sell both their console and hmds for a pcvr setup
how much would it cost to play flight simulator in vr
they fixed the fps issues to where its doubled from before. might want at least a 2000 series gpu tho since its like the mst resuce intensive game in existence, cheapest hmd $200 g2, how ever much you feel like spending on your hotas, game is on gamepass
is it sharp in vr? I guess the instruments are all sharp but what about distant terrain
Do you want a flight Game or must It be fs?
flight game
Borrow a Quest and try Warplanes (both world wars, one war per Game). Or ultrawings (acrobatics).
The reason I'm reccing this is because both use virtual interactable controls, which you might prefer to an out of sight hot ass. If you rike, then on pc you can upgrade to Vtol VR
vtol looks horrible, question is how much of a sim are you looking for or do you want more of an arcade experience. if you like warplanes theres a joystic mod you can get that you attach to your chair to stick your controller into, otherwise personally i find virtual joysticks unusable
I like them both, but he should try both experiences and decide for himself.
Mecha Games are also intriguing on a VR device.
also mech warrior 5 has a good vr mod supposedly, been meaning to pick that one up. these threads always say no games but I have a growing backlog
Mw5 Needs DLC And several mods I hear
thats what ive herd (i really should try myself). people tha try it get addicted and tend to go all out full sim with all the gear. i dont think im autitic enough to get into it myself tho lol. if youre that big on flight sims may as well go all out on a gpu like 3070 ti and up. i don't think theres an alternative other than pcvr in that category. also if you want sharpness you're gonna want a wired headset.
i just want simulators in vr with good graphics so i never leave the house again. train simulator, bus simulator, truck simulator, racing games and of course flight sims
then you want pc and wired and if you got an extra 2k to throw at it afterwards a yaw 2 chair and if you want as sharp at possible a current or near current gpu (although only a handful of games will take advanatge of it primarily flight simulator). theres a trucking simulator with vr mod. train and bus can probably use reshade o mod vr. no shortage of flight and racing games in vr
Oh, you want good gráfica? Ms flightsim. Dcs and a decent HOTAS . DCS is a DLC fest, mind
free vr uno
only shows up with direct link though, meta is gimping it in search results
https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/8518098914874228/
I'm no multigayer Guy, but might amogus VR be fun for me?
I hate Battle royales, Battlefield and cawadoody if It helps.
if you don't mind screaming kids. do you like escape rooms and puzzle games. I personally don't (so wouldn't know which are good if any) but theres a ton of them for vr and if pcvr they always go on like 90% off sales.
applab pokemon clone that looks interesting
https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/4404573669646829/
lmao Sony offered me $100 to buy a PS5.
Don't want one simple as.
it will support vrchat at some point, otherwise sony mocopi doesn't make sense
its marketed to vtubers. i kinda doubt it allows vrchat on its platform due to copyright issues since its basically myspace right now with zero dmca enforcement
>falling for the VR meme
I'm convinced at this point that VR will still be shit in the next 40-50 years
No demand to beta test new tech.
are we ever going to get a multiplayer shooter with physics on par with boneworks
is more than the console it's for
>>"How did this happen?"
and let's be honest, Meta is VR, most people are happy with their wireless Quest 2,
and VR isn't new anymore,
and you can play PC and Meta games but with the PSVR2 it's PS5 only and there's no games
because Sony allowed scalpers to destroy their market and nobody wanted to make games for a console nobody had
>it's PS5 only and there's no games
Well, it didn't stop regular PS5.
I think it's the industry as a whole. AAA has become synonomouse with over priced and under delivered. right now only indie games are still fun. consoles are basically AAA machines so if AAA is lackluster then consoles are lackluster. gamepass is the only reason to get an xbox. quest is the only console bringing somethig different, kinda like nintendo games are crappier resource wise but there's always a market becuase the games they offer are different from other consoles. if sony is going to make a move here, besides a standalone their best move will be in 3d video streaming since it doesnt really exist currently. I doubt they do so tho cause it would only be sony movies
VR is just this generation's kinect. Sure, there are a couple cool things you can do, but most of it is overhyped and impractical, and it will never actually reach its potential and just divert resources from actual game development.
couldn't be more wrong.
Kinect was unusable imprecise garbage, which only could work with dancing games and that was a stretch.
Control accuracy in incomparable.
PSVR1 was released when vr was still a hot new thing, was the most beginner friendly device on the market, and only required a box most households already owned for netflix, while competing with expensive and clunky devices that generally needed a large area completely cleared out and a decently strong computer.
PSVR2 is coming out after metaverse wankery has largely poisoned the well for vr, at $550, exclusively for a $500 box whose main draws are "you can play all the same games the previous box you most likely still have can, and you can also use netflix, even though your tv can probably do that on its own now" that most people do not own, competing with a $400 standalone device at similar specs that was designed to be beginner friendly to the point even 5 year olds have no trouble with it.
reminder that this is the killer app for it as well
this series is fricking cursed at this point
>blaming meta for the current state of gaming
lol
Bet this moron is a steam cultist
I'm blaming it for the current public perception of vr, you moron
You mean complete standalone games, tiktoks of normalgays having fun, and widening the audience to a point where developing for it became viable?
Or you mean the same way kotaku is obsessed with Meta Horizon for some reason and keep calling it "metaverse"? Because those are the only morons spreading that.
I'm getting it, but Sony should really make PC drivers available if they want this to sell. It sounds like a good headset but not using it on PC is probably a big dealbreaker for many. Also pricetag obviously.
I think they need to make it a pcvr hmd after they inevitably fall on their faces at launch. The PS5 is underpowered for the headset they’ve designed. A ~2070/5700xt can get the job done, sort of, but it’s going to have fsr, motion smoothing, and foveated rendering working overtime.
I guess I'll find out in 2 weeks if the quality looks bad or if it doesn't run well. Reviews sounded pretty positive so the initial batch of games will probably be fine. I'd like to use it with my 3080 though.
>drivers
They'd need to make a video encoder, or pay another company to use theirs, and why would they do that?
Isn't a PS5 basically a PC with a different OS? Why would it be harder to send a video to PC through a USB c cable than a ps5?
>basically
>different OS
>basically
Anon, video is not tap water, you can't jusr connect it and expect it to come out.
So they would have trouble porting whatever they are using on PS5? Clearly they have video through a USB there.
>they
No, they have the software, we don't, they know what is the input output configuration, we would need to do a lot of guessing to use it, they can just use their sdks.
guy who did psvr1 pc drivers said it can't be done because the tracking happens inside the headset and while psvr1 acted as a monitor in wondows, the psvr2 can even have encrypted video
psvr1 was just a monitor with some LED lights, and PSVR2 has cameras, tracks itself internally and uses usb3 for video
Yea that's why I'm hoping Sony comes to their senses and supports this themselves on PC, so there won't be encryption and they can adapt whatever tracking system they are already using.
Oops, looks like Bloomberg is a terrible place to get news: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers
just waiting for the Unreal Engine VR mod
Aside from Half Life Alyx and vrchat, every game is essentially overpriced ports and shovelware with a white piece of plastic attached to your face until the screen eventually blinds you. I fricked up falling for the vr meme.
>not compatible with old PSVR games
probably because psvr games can only work with outside tracking
I think it has a lot to do with the PS4 and PS5 controller. The light sensor from the PS4 controller can allow it move in a 3D space. But having played some PSVR games on the PS5 with the PS5 controller, the controller is fixed since it doesn't work with the PS4 camera. I don't believe you can move it in a 3D space with any PS5 games. You can use a PS4 controller on PS5, but with PSVR2 there's obviously no camera for it to work. Some PSVR games like RE7 and Doom VFR already use a fixed controller setting. I hope to see some games get updates to work with PSVR2. Like all they have to do is have some virtual PS4 camera, you're already able to move freely in 3D without it.
>spend loads of money in R&D on a headset for a market that already has several comparable headsets
>for a software market that already has slim pickings for good games
>but make it exclusive to one console with an already limited library
>and not carry over their already established library of PSVR1 games
Make it PCVR compatible and none of this would happen.
they're playing MDK VR
Echo VR is kill
That's a dumb decision unless they're releasing a sequel
I'll buy VR for the H games
Reminder that this happens when Carmack is on your team and is allowed to do his shit
Firewall ultra looks like it could be fun but 550 is a lot to ask when people could get the zucc machine for 250.
Those morons put NO GAMES on it. I'm literally sitting here ready to buy one but no games. No hitman, no alyx, no COD, no astrobot, but hey here's some shitty PCVR meme games
I dont want meme games, I want real games. I knew VR was a joke. It's unironically over
Also no porn. If they actually let you watch porn for free I might get one. But if not frick snoy I dont care what gay games it gets
at least it has dyscronia
Finally a 4K 15 inch nintendo 3ds screen
https://www.acer.com/us-en/SpatialLabs
I have a quest 2, but would like a native pc vr headset. Whats available on the market that isn't the Index? And is the quest 1 still worth it nowadays? That oled sounds nice.
>And is the quest 1 still worth it nowadays? That oled sounds nice
No, screen is like 180x96 px phone screen from 2004.
>I have a quest 2, but would like a native pc vr headset
Just connect it to PC, duh.
Am I missing anything out by not having a native pc vr headset? Is there a clarity issue with link streaming or is the same as a native headset? Sorry for the questions, I've just been curious.
I'd say better invest in good router to go PC wireless.
>Is there a clarity issue with link streaming
I heard about it, yeah, but wired have it's own downsides. You know, wire.
I don't have much experience with quest, I use Reverb g2, and I'd say that resolution of g2 is only a slightly better, Not worth it upgrading from quest2 for that.
only if you're a compression autist. most people dont notice. optimize your wifi and a decent gpu, at least an ssd no hdd.16gb min ram
>That oled sounds nice.
get the rift CV1, the last good headset
I'll never understand how Sony will push forward with this given how (aside from Nogaems PS5 issues) PSVR was midding at best. So something as expensive as a console... but yet it does not advertise PC compatibility?
All of this reminds me how stupid and slow to adapt Sony has been. Microsoft managed to get PC owners who don't give a shit about Xbox to buy their peripherals like the controllers by supporting them well, but Sony even after seeing this literally since the fricking X360 /.PS3 era hasn't really gotten onboard? You'd think they'd go out of their way to ensure this thing works on PC and is SteamVR compatible, but they can't even (at least so far) get a PC application to update firmware and configure custom layouts for the DualSense Edge (the newly released, overall pretty awesome parallel to the Xbox Elite S2) so what the frick are they doing! Same thing with their stupidity given porting their exclusives to PC via Steam - yes its good they eventually port them and don't do EGS bullshit exclusivity, but now that they see that their titles sell wel they need to hurry the frick up and make sure there's a near-parity release for their newer titles. Like SpiderMan and Spiderman 1.5: SpiderBlack both sell very well on PC (after a long fricking time) so are they committing to SpiderMan 2 being both PS5 + PC concurrently? Nope! Same way we don't have the most recent Dad of War or Horizon Forbidden Pronouns, yet. Frick!
If the PSVR 2 hardware is decent, then release it PC compatible and get more sales than you're likely to get from the console types who are not willing to spend the equivalent of another fricking console to get some halfass VR mode support and questionable performance