Any other Fire Emblem like Awakening?

Literally nobody gives a frick about those characters but you, you stupid solipsistic aspie. Sully literally has supports talking about shitting herself, Libra’s entire stick is about how “beautiful” he is, Vaike is you dumb jock airhead character, Virion is almost entirely about being a womanizer but his S supports always pull some bullshit about how he’s really devoted and he deserves to be hated for fleeing his country, Gregor is just some stupid Russian caricature that doesn’t even make sense since he isn’t a foreigner and you travel with literal foreigners that don’t have goofy accents but his actual character is loud mouth obnoxious and oblivious older character that’s tone deaf to how he is, and Nah is all about how she’s annoyed that she’s more mature than her braindead mother

Do you know how much of a hypocritical moron you are? Tell me about Kagero’s character so I can call you a moron for not knowing it as well as me because I like the game better than you. It’s literally the same difference, moron.

Yup, you decided to double down on being a moron after all. Kagero became a retainer because her brother, the first born of her clan, was meant to since her clan has always served as the retainers to the Hoshidian royalty but since he was born so weak and frail she took his place instead, so her motivation as retainer actually comes from protecting the honor of her clan and sacrificing her life for her brother’s sake. Now shut the frick up, you braindead sperge.

>but Fates retainers bring these same issues AND are boring morons who talk nigh exclusively about their 9-5 on top of it
They don’t even, what the frick are you talking about? Shut the frick up, for frick’s sake. You sound like such an unbelievable moron. Kagero barely even brings up being a retainer since most of her supports are about being a bad painter, you stupid fricking homosexual. Holy shit I am done watching you double down on being an utter moron

>why talk about FE in a FE thread on a video game discussion board?
>i’ll call you a sperge to “win” the conversation without saying anything of any actual substance while pretending to take the high ground
Frick off, homosexual

>untolerable
ESL, pls

For some reason Fates is the one game in the series held to a standard when the entire series has poor writing overall. I think it’s just because b***hing about story is low hanging fruit that’s subjective and easy to do while criticizing mechanics is a lot harder and take much more critical thinking that just pointing at something and say how shit it is. FE7 has a dogshit story that barely makes sense but everyone loves that game despite its simplicity because it’s the first FE game most people played

>It happens to all games these days.
3H got away with a lot of bullshit due to the quality of the VA and the setting in particular

The politics of fodlan are also by far the best and most fleshed out in the series too, but they're still just ok

Well Engage being praised to high heavens is a mystery to me, considering that its gameplay is not even as good as Conquests, but whatever. Maybe Fates just has poor luck concerning reutation.

what does bmi have to do with games?

>engage is great if you aren't a fatty
I don't see how my weight has anything to do with whether or not i enjoy a game, but whatever.

>Engage haters confess to being fatsos.
Poetry.

Well yeah, Engage encourages being Ganker. Fatsos can't stand games that discourage their decadent lifestyles.

FAT FRICK

>engage is great if you aren't a fatty
I don't see how my weight has anything to do with whether or not i enjoy a game, but whatever.

When people talk about stories, especially in video games, the thing that does most of the heavy lifting is the premise. A story needs to at least make sense on its face. I can nitpick any number of details in these games especially because of the way they're structured. It's a grid based game with a series of maps, not a world to explore or npcs to talk to, at least not in the traditional sense. The stories are an excuse to take your army of weirdos from one map to another. FE7 is dumb but the premise of "prince searching for his father only to get caught up in chasing a cult manipulating a militaristic country to collect the souls of dead people" is fine on the surface. The details about what the frick quintessence is most people won't care about. Even Awakening's story of time traveling children trying to stop an evil dragon doesn't get as much flak because the point of trying to change the future to a better one is immediately apparent.

Fate's story is broken on its face, it's actual premise is immediately stupid. Especially Conquest where the premise is "we must invade these lands for our obviously evil father who just tried to kill us but also we're going to try not to kill anyone" is ridiculous. And it only gets more absurd with Revelations. You can't even get to the nitpicking stage to laugh at it because the abstract for the game is nonsense.

No. I'm telling you why other FE games get a pass on their bad to mediocre stories while Fates got raked over the coals on day 1.

It's not a reductionist stance. The immediate question of "Hey my obviously evil father tried to use me as a suicide bomber, why am I still taking orders from him when I know he doesn't have my well being at heart" comes up before the first third of the game is even up. The plot twists that come later don't alleviate this question, it actually makes it worse once you start factoring in shit like the magic chair. To put it in perspective in FE7 Eliwood goes looking for his father. Where could he be? Well a few chapters later you find out he could be a co conspirator in the plot to destroy Hector's family. Even though I think FE7's story is bad, no one came out of it thinking Eliwood was a biblically accurate moron for wanting to follow up on this information. Versus Corrin who looks like a colossal dumbass right from the start and the story begins bending over backwards to keep him justified. And that last part is most of CQ's problem. It wants to be the "evil" route but it also wants to keep Corrin justified and heroic most of the way through.

My problems with Edelgard's route stretch far, FAR further out than it just being a half stepping evil route. But I don't want discussion to meander into Edelgard discourse so let's just throw that into the maybe some other time pile

>Hey my obviously evil father tried to use me as a suicide bomber, why am I still taking orders from him when I know he doesn't have my well being at heart
You see, this is where you’re the moron and it’s your problem you have as much of an issue with the story as oppose to it being the game’s fault. Corrin chooses his Nohrian sibling in CQ, not Nohr of Garron. They know Garron is trying to get them killed the entire path and they deeply regret all the shit they’re forced to do. Once again, Corrin is buying their time until they’re able to expose Garron to their unconvinced siblings, and while the throne is a plot contrivance, it’s minimal to the aim of the story as it serves as justification for going to Hoshido for the campaign. It’s not the game’s fault you didn’t pay attention or lack reading comprehension because your brain auto completed the story based on moronic internet memes.

>It wants to be the "evil" route but it also wants to keep Corrin justified and heroic most of the way through.
This was literally never the case so it’s not the game’s fault it didn’t live up to your stupid expectations.

Everything else you said was so mind bogglingly stupid and biased I literally have nothing to say about it

the premise of Conquest is actually interesting though? maybe it's just me but corruption arc/stockholm syndrome is good material for a story - certainly better than "some guy's a dick and dragons are back"

I will when people stop defending Fates

you won't believe me, but...
I don't know who you are referring to, I just saw some Fates dogpiling and joined in, I have no idea what you mean by Camilla eye gouge

>samegayging a post hours later for no reason isn’t schizo
>pointing out obvious samegayging is
I guess you’re conveniently innocent of any of this behavior also, right?

>resorts to low effort shitposting to save face
have some humility and get over yourself, all i've done was call people like you morons for 8 years straight. it shouldn't be a blemish on your ego

You’re alone fatesgay. Your game’s story sucks and all the projection in the world won’t change that.

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I'm going to shit on Fates even more from now on and encourage other anons to do the same

>i’m totally not samegayging guys
>y-you’re the schizo!!

Yeah, okay buddy.

You’re deranged fatesgay. Get help.

Uh yeah, you’re mad as frick

>all i've done was call people like you morons for 8 years straight
>I'm not obsessed though
nta, but get a grip.

Yes, totally-not-the-same-anon, you fricking autistic Black person.

Okay, moron.

Okay, moron.

why do they always have Ganker and normalhomosexual shit like jojo for reaction images

glad you could agree that you're only looking to get angry with me than to actually start a discussion
>but-
like i said, it hasn't been and shouldn't be deeper than what i've already said. you're just working yourselves up over fricking nothing

>all i've done was call people like you morons for 8 years straight
Okay, and you’re not an autistic schizo how exactly?

Is there something in the translated English script about Dimitri that was unchanged about his traumatic past where he pledge to kill everyone who murdered his family?

Fire Emblem Engage: IS THAT A TALKING PHANTOM? I BETTER KEEP THE RING AND LISTEN TO THEM. I LOVE THIS PHANTOM PERSON.
Fire Emblem 3 Houses: OOOOH MY GODDESS SOTHIS I AM GOING INSANE A TALKING PERSON IN MY HEAD OOOOHH IT COMPELS ME TO KILL EDELGARD ARE YOU EDELGARD? IS SHE HERE? I AM GOING INSANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TALKING VOICES PHANTOMS AAAAAAAH

>must you concur, must you kill?
>MuST You ReCONquer, reKILL in retaLIARtion?

The idea is that Dimi was already unstable after the ToD where he knows full well it wasn't the people of Duscur but no one believed him. Mostly because court mage Cornelia and a bunch of nobles already had it in for his father and committed genocide in the name of justice for a king they had killed. So his goal was to try and find some sort of hint as to who actually killed his father and in addition to being a student, he was also at the monastery to check out his uncle's financial records to ferret out whether he was involved or not. On a normal day Dimitri is overly nice but if he runs into violence he can't explain away he'll go totally nuclear. And what set him off was the DJ Thales claiming responsibility for the ToD in the name of the Flame Emperor. FE notices they're being watched. She throws the dagger. Dimitri notices it's the same dagger he gave Edelgard before she was taken. He doesn't know she was taken to be tortured by mole people so the immediate assumption is that she was involved. Same as Remire Village, he can't rationalize why anyone would cause so much death therefore he goes nuclear. It's worth noting that in Hopes he never encounters the FE nor does he see the dagger. So he never suspects Edelgard and he never goes nuclear. He just further investigates the nobles in his own lands.

Keep in mind Dimitri was still a child when Duscur happened

>Country gets invaded
>run away for 5 years and leave your country to fend for itself
>Dedue can just fricking die off screen if you don't do the right mission before the timeskip
>Even if he comes back its several missions before DImitri becomes sane again so he just fricking ignores his best friend
>Is so insane that Byleth starts killing your own PoW's so Dimitri can't torture them
>Gives a half-asses Sauske tier apology at the end and everyone forgives him for being both useless and insane
Gonna be honest here anons, I thought Dimitri's route was the most poorly written of all 3 of them. Claude had not emotional investment in the war but at least he wasn't moronic and uncovered the entire history of Fodlan, Edelgard was evil but at least her insane plan made sense. Dimitri's route was just him sperging out and being a terrible leader for years and then being absolved of all wrong doing for no reason at the end, shit was weak. Byleths route would probably be the best if it weren't just a poor mans version of Claude's route.

I don’t know, his character seems pretty realistic to me. Most biracial people would do the same exact thing in Europe

Nah, still pretty realistic to reality. Biracial people always side with their social minority side because even though they don’t fit in with either, they are bond to other minorities in minority status which units them against the majority oppressor strawman. Plenty of mulattos in America are BLM morons despite being more accepted by brainwashed self-hating whites than street apes that make fun of them for not being really black

They're either stolen from other languages, flowers, nouns (including proper nouns), professions or adjectives with almost no exceptions

>how about telling me how weapon weight works
It's in the fricking tooltip if you hover over or tap the "wt" stat moron???
What the frick?
It also tells you exactly which enemies can target which of your units. Hell it even has enemy ranges - I know, a fricking crazy concept for a fire emblem game!
>b-b-but muh-chanics!
All of the mechanics are explained to you directly and you have a tutorial you can access from the pause menu literally whenever you want.
Unlike all of the totally obscure bullshit mechanics that you can only know if you read a japanese manual for a rom. This is definitely is what I think of when I think "QoL"

>A normal player would move a singular unit in range of a Dracoknight, notice that they don't move and then learn from the house that they're planning to ambush you once you visit the armory.
Oh frick off this is the dumbest defence I've ever heard. "Yeah they don't attack my armour knight so I'm just going to suicide lena into there for shits and giggles to see if they'll kill her instead"
But yeah this is definitely so much clearer than tapping a stat to understand what it does. I really see how accommodating this game is for new players when the game literally never pulls any bullshit of the sort before this point besides ridiculous ambush spawns.

>Rather play it than PoR or 3H
Anon that's not even the question. Do you understand the conversation that we are having right now?
We're talking about the best games for a new player.
Fundamentals don't mean shit if the game isn't enjoyable. You can enjoy 3H or awakening while absolutely despising mystery of the emblem. If you want a window into how games like mystery play, 7 gives you a far FAR better introduction than mystery does and is overall a much better presented game to boot.

I don't understand why you're even seething this hard at me calling FE3 not a game for beginners. It's not even a controversial stance, it's just objectively true

>in terms of stats
Why the frick does that matter?
How on earth does that offset literally everything else I mentioned?
>You actively need to wikigay to play 3H (lol
What the frick does this mean? The tutorials are in the game
Mystery of the emblem came with a fricking manual too that is required reading for the game (before we even start talking about the bullshit that is hidden shops and the strategy guides that were sold for these games)
>FE3 tells you literally everything in game by simply visiting villages
There literally aren't any villages on anri's path you lying c**t
>Confirmed for never playing FE3. Lena is not available until literally the final map in book 2, you gigantic moron.
Oh no I fricked up the name of a character on the map where you recruit her brother it's so over because even though it's completely irrelevant to the conversation and the game I made a mistake.
>FE3 is by design both
No the frick it isn't.
It's opaque as frick, boring as frick, flat as frick and incredibly outdated. Almost no one is going to have the patience to sit through such a boring plot that was already uninspired 30 years ago as their first game
3H is far more forgiving to new players, clear with it's mechanics, better integrated with it's tutorial and just generally a better put together and presented game.
PoR is so different to almost all of the rest of the franchise that plausibly there are people who would enjoy it and only the tellius games.
>objective
True, correct, accurate, independent of personal beliefs and biases.
Objectively FE3 is one of the worst recommendations you could give to a new player. I'm frankly fricking astonished you even understand the word new given that you were probably born in the fricking stone age.
How do you even type through the arthritis? Do you just mash your mangled fists into the keys? Is that why everything you've written so far is incoherent?

>Why does knowing one of the two stats that determine how doubling works matter?
You know how it works homosexual you just don't know literally the exact formula
A formula which is literally str-wt btw. A formula that you can see in practice on your stat screen where your speed literally gets changed as you change the weapon that's equipped. Oh, did you neglect to mention that you disingenuous homosexual? The fact that attack speed is actually in the UI instead of a spreadsheet? I guess that's bad QoL though so it doesn't count. Or maybe it's baby mode so it's not actually qol?
It's not complicated. It's the first guess of anyone with a brain.
>Explain Gardening without wikigayging, then
Why the frick is metahomosexualry of this level a prerequisite for a game having good QoL or clear explanations of mechanics? You categorically do not apply the same standard to any of the dozens of mechanics in MotE which are never explained (like enemy AI and pathing)
The game's difficulty initially capped out at hard. The game's story is designed around you not recruiting out of house. The explanations that the game gives are absolutely appropriate for the challenge expected of the player.
Even on maddening nothing you've listed is necessary or even impactful for a playthrough outside of the garden. I'm not going to defend that decision though because I don't have to since it's only competing against MotE which is bullshit.
>Hell, the manual just hurts your moronic claims
You disingenuous c**t. In game tutorials make you a wiki warrior and are banned but a printed manual IN FRICKING JAPANESE somehow makes the game more approachable for beginners?
>Everything is explained by villagers! Even in book 2!
>Except for Anri's path which doesn't count because it's in book 2!
Concession accepted have a nice day you prick

I'm glad that we ended this with you being a blatant hypocrite so that there's no ambiguity at all as to who was right.

I realize the IQ of the average FE player has lowered by 5-10 points over the past decade+, but I don't accept this as a default. I assume the prospective player can figure out an easy game like MotE, if there's interest. However, I would still not recc MotE as a starting point for the unrelated reasons I outlined previously.

Yeah, thankfully these are all minor inconveniences that eventually got improved, but it's still all very functional and playable. Even FE1's reputation for being unplayable is overblown, as despite it being jank as frick, it was purposefully designed to be intuitive and easy to pick up.

FE1 is fine for its time, but it's just rough. I'd almost be willing to replay it if something as simple as "disable animations" were a feature (you can turn them "off" but it still goes into the freakin battle screen so what's the point). The music is awful too.

It isn't some fricking esoteric roguelike requiring a whole keyboard and a wiki to play. It's a big-name game released on a popular family console that sold a lot of copies and is extremely popular and played in its home country. Quit being a gay about this, and understand my POV. I get that you shouldn't recommend it to some granny or some dumb kid, but that's not who I'm envisioning, we're on fricking Ganker right now.
And in fact, I already said I wouldn not recommend the game for reasons unrelated to its QoL.
The real reason to is because they're splashy, they're official, they're available, and you often pay money for them so you feel like you're "bought in" somewhat and have to at least try to get your money's worth. You might be inclined to put down an old pirated game. THIS IS UNRELATED TO ITS QOL. And part of the reason I'm on your ass, is because you're painting an unfair picture for people who are already fans but on the fence about trying it.

>understand my POV. I get that you shouldn't recommend it to some granny or some dumb kid, but that's not who I'm envisioning, we're on fricking Ganker right now.
Anon you stubborn gay I understand your point you're just moronic.
Imagine there was a patch of MotE with QoL features from later games like enemy ranges and no other changes - would you recommend that version or the original?
Better yet, would you recommend that a new player plays with save states or not? Those weren't present on the original hardware but they fundamentally alter the experience of playing the game.

QoL is a huge part of whether people stick with or drop games. There's literally no reason to add barriers between players and the game if they don't have to exist.
That's why the most important thing for a new player is engaging with the core experience as fast as possible and as smoothly as possible. As far as I'm concerned FE3 does not offer that to nearly the same extent as other games in the franchise.

I wouldn't want someone to force themself through 10 hours of 3H just to feel like they got their money's worth but fortunately you don't have to because you already get a good sense of what the game is like within the first 2 hours (all sides of it, for better and worse).

No newbie is on the fence about trying MotE. Literally fricking no one. It is one of the least played games amongst VETRANS of the franchise, let alone newbies. Those of the people you should be shilling to and if you do you can make a compelling case for it based on other games in the franchise that people like and sucking kaga off like a vacuum.
There is categorically no reason to get new players involved in these masturbation rituals though because there are better things they could and should be doing with their time. It also isolates them to the maximum possible extent from the rest of the community who otherwise might give them advice or shitpost about the game with them.

>If you're going to get into FE, you're going to get into FE
Nah you're a dumb c**t and I'm probably outing myself to that FE3 gay by saying this but I very nearly dropped the game because I tried to play "chronologically" starting with 11 and then going to 12. The only reason why I even still care about this franchise is because I skipped the end of 12 to play fates and fell in love but very little of this franchise otherwise has much of value to offer to me personally.
If you can't see the clear difference in design philosophy and appeal between different parts of this franchise then you're going to guide potential fans into games which they do not enjoy and turn them away from games that they do.

Just because you want to be a gigantic, enormous homosexual about it that doesn't change that there are a huge number of people who are fans of 3H and only 3H for instance.
Identifying the types of appeal these games have and directing players to those games which suit them is the best thing you can do for those players rather than just trying to force-feed them your personal favourites.

Also genuinely stop being dumb for 5 fricking seconds - SNES games almost universally have dogshit QoL. I still personally play and emulate them all the time but either the core experience has to be good enough to justify that or thy have to be incredibly ahead of their time in terms of design to be worth cresting the hump of "ok I'm either going to have to desperately search for a manual/guide or deal with the standard hump the wall bullshit if I want to actually finish this"

Christ you're such a bitter seething gay. Just pure black bile from you this whole conversation. I think I've talked with you in the past. The CQ lover who hates the series, but hangs around the threads for some inexplicable reason.
Just understand that everyone is not you. I like this series. Why should I care about reccing 3H to some normie? They know what they want already.
If someone is at the point where they're asking which game to start with, a) they're acknowledging other games exist and b) they're acknowledging they might be interested in starting with something non-typical.
You literally can't refute this simple fact - that not everyone is (you) - so just keep arguing about games you don't like

For Warriors Orochi or Warriors in general because SW5 already showed us that they've gone full moron with their character and moveset choices.
Warriors Orochi could do with a god-only game if I'm being real. Mystic Realm now has enough characters and lore that you could build a game around them.

I unlocked S rank, I didn’t actually go ahead and selected it.

>If you got a S rank with another guy chrom cant marry you
>implying that will stop him