im picturing the courier lounging in the legion camp, smoking and pounding beers while leafing through the speech magazine, then suddenly remembering there's a battle on and stumbling over to Lanius. "You can't west if you east" and suddenly he's surrendering
Talk to him like his LARP daddy Edward does and make him go find another fight somewhere else. Why is anyone surprised someone convinced to dick around the hot ass desert wearing historical reenactment gear can be manipulated again?
>notice some red marks >crouch, aim YCS at the enemy in the middle >meltdown takes care of the surrounding ones >Quest Complete
imagine my surprise that it was the last boss
I hate how every build is viable here
You should not be able to just magically stop the battle by talking
The battle is inevitable and the ideologies + practicalities of both sides make it so
A speech build can't change that but should be able to influence things around the side, like the order of battle for each side, the tactics and battle plans, who goes to the battle and who deserts, supplies and supply requests in preparation for the battle, and so on
So a speech player can influence the outcome but cannot avoid the battle itself
Not all builds should be able to do all things
Just like the classic complaint about elder scrolls, where you can max out all factions even when that makes no sense
(something which new vegas fixed by having faction reputations and not allowing you to be legends of both NCR and Legion at once)
I agree but thats a bigger issue I have with the dlc level cap. And the skill system in fnv. Its far too easy too max out almost all skills even with low int and not selecting educated, which makes every build ultimately good at every skill. The level cap never should have gone that high or the skills per level should be 1/4’d. You should actually have tradeoffs for your character by the end based on what you focused on and be weak in other areas consequently.
I guess that's an issue with fallout 1 as well since I'm pretty sure that's where the precedent was set?
More seriously though I think I see your point. I guess the issue is that as a speech character you shouldn't be getting anywhere NEAR him, you should be able to solve the final conflict and beat the game without involving yourself personally in the battle at all.
Having it so that speech is effectively just a different kind of weapon to defeat the final boss is lame.
But you don't avoid the battle, you had to carve your way through Hoover dam to get to Lanius, the fact you're here means the legion lost its choke point and NCR can enter their lands unimpeded just like they planed in the first battle
the final speech check is you convincing him to withdraw to try again while they still have a command structure to do so
Not really and a lot of youtubers throw a b***h fit about not being able to convince frank to frick off. It's like they forget the games a game or something.
I do think that it's more forgiveable to not have all builds be 'viable' when the game skews more towards player skill (mechanical) like in a shooter, as opposed to a game that prioritises player skill (statistical) like the original CRPGs.
In a CRPG if you build your character wrong, you can be fricked over if the game doesn't have every build be viable (you might be gated by a combat encounter or other skill check your character can't do). In a shooter though, even if your character isn't built well enough to speech his way to the end of the game, you can still shoot dudes well enough to see end credits.
I'd argue that FPSRPG is a superior medium for role playing as it means the devs no longer have to ensure that every build can make it to the end on their own terms. You can still include routes for sufficiently well built speech or science or whatever characters to make it to the end, but then if you haven't built your character that well you can still make it, just with more shooting. It's the best of both worlds.
Uhhh, The East Weast.
Speech 100
speech 90 and read a magazine
im picturing the courier lounging in the legion camp, smoking and pounding beers while leafing through the speech magazine, then suddenly remembering there's a battle on and stumbling over to Lanius. "You can't west if you east" and suddenly he's surrendering
Talk to him like his LARP daddy Edward does and make him go find another fight somewhere else. Why is anyone surprised someone convinced to dick around the hot ass desert wearing historical reenactment gear can be manipulated again?
plasma mines
Pile of C4.
rizz him up
And Stay Back perk
yep
>BTFO him so much he was willing to talk a second time
That's a funny build.
Fatman with big boy bombs.
?t=825
I still think about this video years later. I never did find that vault where they're crouch walking away saying "thanks for saving us".
vault 3
Tell him about East and West Roman Empire
Spam meds
Alien Blaster
One shot
Lanius was a disappointment compared to Hader from The North Road.
savescumming, thats what I did
>notice some red marks
>crouch, aim YCS at the enemy in the middle
>meltdown takes care of the surrounding ones
>Quest Complete
imagine my surprise that it was the last boss
the virgin lannius vs the chad Horrigan
I hate how every build is viable here
You should not be able to just magically stop the battle by talking
The battle is inevitable and the ideologies + practicalities of both sides make it so
A speech build can't change that but should be able to influence things around the side, like the order of battle for each side, the tactics and battle plans, who goes to the battle and who deserts, supplies and supply requests in preparation for the battle, and so on
So a speech player can influence the outcome but cannot avoid the battle itself
If not all builds are viable then why let players pick a build? Just have it be like Fallout 4 where it's primarily a shooter.
Not all builds should be able to do all things
Just like the classic complaint about elder scrolls, where you can max out all factions even when that makes no sense
(something which new vegas fixed by having faction reputations and not allowing you to be legends of both NCR and Legion at once)
Not him but why is "beating the game" not something that every build should be capable of?
I agree but thats a bigger issue I have with the dlc level cap. And the skill system in fnv. Its far too easy too max out almost all skills even with low int and not selecting educated, which makes every build ultimately good at every skill. The level cap never should have gone that high or the skills per level should be 1/4’d. You should actually have tradeoffs for your character by the end based on what you focused on and be weak in other areas consequently.
I guess that's an issue with fallout 1 as well since I'm pretty sure that's where the precedent was set?
More seriously though I think I see your point. I guess the issue is that as a speech character you shouldn't be getting anywhere NEAR him, you should be able to solve the final conflict and beat the game without involving yourself personally in the battle at all.
Having it so that speech is effectively just a different kind of weapon to defeat the final boss is lame.
But you don't avoid the battle, you had to carve your way through Hoover dam to get to Lanius, the fact you're here means the legion lost its choke point and NCR can enter their lands unimpeded just like they planed in the first battle
the final speech check is you convincing him to withdraw to try again while they still have a command structure to do so
Ranged attacks work well.
FNV is piss. I go full speech, medicine, and barter. Max Charisma and Int and dump the rest. Still can kill any enemy in the game.
Any way to cheese this guy?
alot of plasma and AP if i recall right
Not really and a lot of youtubers throw a b***h fit about not being able to convince frank to frick off. It's like they forget the games a game or something.
Just turn the turrets on him.
i put a shit ton of plasma mines in his way
If you east the west you cant west the east
I do think that it's more forgiveable to not have all builds be 'viable' when the game skews more towards player skill (mechanical) like in a shooter, as opposed to a game that prioritises player skill (statistical) like the original CRPGs.
In a CRPG if you build your character wrong, you can be fricked over if the game doesn't have every build be viable (you might be gated by a combat encounter or other skill check your character can't do). In a shooter though, even if your character isn't built well enough to speech his way to the end of the game, you can still shoot dudes well enough to see end credits.
I'd argue that FPSRPG is a superior medium for role playing as it means the devs no longer have to ensure that every build can make it to the end on their own terms. You can still include routes for sufficiently well built speech or science or whatever characters to make it to the end, but then if you haven't built your character that well you can still make it, just with more shooting. It's the best of both worlds.
I just spoke to him and convinced him to leave. is he difficult to fight if you choose to do so?
Can't you do the same thing you can do in all Bethesda games? Jump on a rock and shoot him because the ai doesn't jump.