Any Zelda lore experts around here?
How does ToTK fit into timeline and does it contradict skyward sword or not?
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Any Zelda lore experts around here? How does ToTK fit into timeline and does it contradict skyward sword or not?
BoTW and TotK aren't related to the rest of the series.
Botw directly references half of zelda games...
And that's all that it does. Those are surface level at best with no ties to BoTW's story.
If you really want to stretch then, ToTK and BotW take place long after every other game to the point where it may as well be a separate series.
>If you really want to stretch then, BotW take place long after every other game
Well, no shit
Nintendo said so themselves and that was entire point of botw story
ToTK on the other hand...
The distant past shown in TotK, with Ganondorf, the imprisoning war and everything else related to it, also takes place well after every other game in the series besides BotW.
Then it doesn't make sense with humans being so barbaric in totk past
Absolutely, nor do the references to extremely ancient shit in BotW make sense given how long it's been since absolutely no one should remember the color of WW Link's favorite shirt.
>no one should remember the color of WW Link's favorite shirt.
says who
Dude was founder of new kingdom for elves, sure they wrote somewhere his look
the references exist purely to get tunicgays to stfu and give me something to sell for 600 rupees
Nintendo gives no fricks about time lines but if you really need an explanation; Hyrule has constantly reshaped it itself. BotW/TotK are yet another iteration of the Demise curse from Skyward Sword but in a whole new version of Hyrule not seen in the series before.
But Nintendo don't care. They just want to make fun games.
>But Nintendo don't care. They just want to make fun games.
That's how it should be. Making a fun game is the first priority. Let the spergy fans speculate all they want about the lore.
>Implying TOTK is fun
>Implying giving it a coherent excuse plot and just distancing it from previous games would have ruined it
TOTK is fun
it is?
I care about the timeline as much as Nintendo does.
TotK doesn't relate to any other game. It even contradicts BotW which is insane
who cares
Who cares, just play the games, except Skyward Sword, that one sucks
It had Groose, best character in entire franchise
nintendo doesnt care, both BOTW and TOTK stories are AI intern written forget-me-quick-for-market-reasons shitstories. Marvel kiddoslop. Wowee bingbing wahoo stright to VHS $5 bargin bin movies have more thought put into them than BOTW and TOTK stories.
I sound like I am shitpsting but I am not. It enfuritates me to no end that for "le open world le big market playerbase" Nintendo REFUSES to write a real narrative.
>player could go anywhere in any order!
>lets just scramble old cutscenes from the past
>yeah they did epic stuff BEFORE dont you REMEMBER
it's childish, worse than that because they HVE the resorces to do more and choose not too. Frick asiatictendo or frick their editors.
I personally blame ps3 and focus on cinematic design for you turning out like that...
I had 400 hours in BOTW a playthru no fast travel, TOTK didnt even play past wind temple womp womp sucker
Didn't ask
I felt like botw at least realized the open-world non-linear memory system was going to be a mess, so they had the king and impa explain the whole story to you at the start and used the memories to tell a B-plot that took place during the overarching plot the king and impa told you. It was a really eh way to have a story play out, and it would have been way cooler to play that story, but it also meant that if you watched them out of order, at worst you might be confused why in one memory Zelda is buddy-buddy with Link and in the next one you find she's being an absolute c**t to him when he's just doing his job.
meanwhile, in totk, you can find a memory that has Zelda saying that she knows what she must do followed by a flashback in the same memory cutscene about an earlier memory cutscene explaining dragonification and bathing the sword in holy light (or something) a seven minute walk north of lookout landing at any time once you complete the tutorial.
This timeline shit is the dumbest shit to ever happen to Zelda.
Windwaker would have been a better game if it didn't allude to OoT. Nobody was discussing how A Link to the Past was connected to NES Zelda or OoT before Windwaker decided to make every Zelda game connected to a timeline.
Yeah, except for the direct sequels, I think they all work much better as standalone stories, and thinking of them as such allows gamers to use their imaginations which is a lot more fun than having dubious connections explained to you
BOTW fit in at the end of all three timelines. TOTK doesn't even fit in with BOTW.
Nintendo doesn't actually care all that much about the timeline, and it's all just kind of vaguely organized at best. That said, BoTW and ToTK are supposed to be set at a point where all three timelines have effectively merged back into one...however that works. They're also meant to be set so far into the future that basically nothing is known about the past entries; they're all just a part of the "Age of Myth."
ToTK also kind of shits all over continuity since it involves time travel and WE WUZ GOATS N SHEIT so there's that.
The Zelda timeline is a retcon. Do you really think when they were making the first zelda for the NES that they were like, “yeah, this game takes place in the timeline where link dies in the ocarina arc”? In a nutshell:
>Zelda 2 comes after the legend of Zelda. Both of these games were later retconned into being the outcome if link dies in OoT
>on release, aLttP can be assumed to be a sequel to a yet-unreleased game but is basically just a retelling of the legend of zelda. Was later retconned into being the first in the “link dies” timeline
>LA is a direct sequel to aLttP
>OoT is a retelling of aLttP that was later retconned into being a prequel
>MM is a direct sequel to OoT
>the Oracle games were, according to the first release of the timeline. supposed to happen between aLttP and link’s awakening, but link already wished on the triforce in aLttP so it doesn’t make much sense why he went to touch the triforce again to then be transported to holodrum or whatever, so this is when things start to get a little moronic in the timeline but I guess I could see it happening. Maybe the triforce summoned him or whatever. Anyways, they later changed it so that it comes after link’s awakening, which makes even less sense, so again, kind of ridiculous and makes it pretty obvious that the timeline is made-up bullshit
>Wind Waker is a sequel to the ocarina timeline in which link defeats ganon. This one actually makes sense
I don’t know shit about the other gameboy games, but they’re probably equally as much of a stretch as the Oracle games. As for twilight princess, it’s not canon. Ganon would never be able to access the sacred realm if link never gets the master sword, meaning the story presented in Twilight Princess is simply impossible. As for skyward sword and everything that came after it, none of them are canon because they were made after the timeline was made official, and twilight princess’s inclusion means it’s all bullshit.
>>OoT is a retelling of aLttP
opinion discarded
>Wind Waker is a sequel to the ocarina timeline in which link defeats ganon
Entrie premise of WW is Ganon winning
>Entrie premise of WW is Ganon winning
homie you are fricking moronic. Literally like the first plot point is dressing link in a green tunic to celebrate the hero of time. Link defeats ganon in OoT, after which Ganon breaks free from the sacred realm, and because link is no longer there to save the day, the gods flood hyrule to trap ganon under the sea. This is all explicitly stated in-game
>OoT was later retconned into being a prequel to aLttP
I thought aLttP was the "sealing war" out whatever gets referenced in OoT?
>I thought aLttP was the "sealing war" out whatever gets referenced in OoT?
Nah, ocarina is literally the origin story of ganon, originally ganondorf, king of the gerudos. At the time ocarina was released, it couldn’t be thought of anything other than the first in the timeline because all other games (except LA) had ganon in them, not ganondorf. OoT actually makes sense as a prequel to aLttP because it explains how ganon ended up in the “dark world” in the first place. The dark world is the sacred realm after ganon corrupts it and makes it his kingdom
How far in the future is BotW/TotK for there to actually have been a super ancient kingdom led by a goat that still manages to be newer than every previous game in the franchise?