Is mame autism worth it? I have a sff pc I got from work, and contemplating getting a video card and a vga2scart board to get the most out of my arcade stick.
Arcade Emulation Discussion + post setups
Is mame autism worth it? I have a sff pc I got from work, and contemplating getting a video card and a vga2scart board to get the most out of my arcade stick.
>Arcade Emulation Discussion
Sure, let's rap.
>Is mame autism worth it?
Oh. We're at this stage.
Sorry, I'ma dip.
It's not worth it because no matter how realistic you set up an arcade cabinet the actual screen won't be right for more than 1 game.
That is not true at all.
Many arcade games share the same resolution.
All CPS1/2 games are 384x224
All Neo Geo games are 320x224.
Various CRT monitors can remember multiple per resolution user settings.
A massive 4K screen will cover all sizes and shapes. My taste in games may be outdated, but I still prefer modern technology.
How many arcades would I need theoretically?
I use final burn neo for shumps, otherwise for something like bubble bobble or ghouls and ghosts i use mame, or a mame front end like arcade 64.
would a raspberry pi 3b be good enough for arcade shumps?
No.
im sorry anon
but tried to go this route
i added a heatsink, added a "good" fan
i used a large airflow style case for the board
it runs like FRICKING SHIT
the raspberry pi posters suck
the raspberry pi 3b+ fricking sucks
it throws temp overheat icon running simple shit like dodonpachi
it overheats and shits itself running fricking snes after 30-40 minutes
ALL pi posters were posting out of buyers remorse
im a dead sure of it
hot garbage
raspberry pi is a joke,i wanted to buy one but then i remembered why should i get one if i have a chinese portable console that allows me to play whatever game i wantand i can play games on mame using the custom generic artwork made by tabris to get the image as close as it was on arcade.
I have a cab... mostly just use it for videos and podcasts... not worth it. I mean maybe if you have friends.
These days I always advise people to buy controls instead of cabinets.
Get the arcade stick, the racing wheel, the lightgun, and the track ball separately as controllers.
When you get bored with them stick them in the closet or drawer.
Yep, I mean I think.i just like looking at it more than anything.
Every time I see people ask about MAME they assume it's like the other emulators, where you have an emulator and it "just werks" with whatever handful of roms you want to play. Every time this happens, I have to redirect them to FBN instead.
FBN is selective about which systems it emulates. MAME has the impossible goal of emulating everything electronic. New dumps are being added all the time and this doesn't mean they work or even have rudimentary support. They're also picky about what's considered working. As long as the game isn't red label you can probably play it to competition.
anything worthwhile that mame runs that fbneo doesn't outside of konami gx stuff?
dodonpachi games,akai katana,ibara,pink sweets,mushihime sama,knights of valour 3,oriental legend 2,king of fighter 98 Ultimate Match Hero,and there are more but you need to check by yourself.
i prefer it due to the generic artwork.
espgaluda and esprade work fine
all the king of fighters work too
sorry your romhack or whatever didnt work
surprised dodon is missing though weird
i could have sworn i was comparing the pcb to the emulation quality around this time last year
not complaining in reality,i still use it.
the only romhacks i use are prepacked on a dat with final burn and are mostly knight of valour with modified sprites and added characters like mai shiranui from KOF XIII along athena and yuri from XIII.
dodonpachi is working ,well some of them (they get removed depending on how afraid mamedev gets after a C&D letter).
for example titles removed dodonpachi saidai oujo and akai katana (soon to be removed daraku tenshi,p47 aces,samurai shodown V zero,batsugun,guwange) but that's only if you use official mame,if you use a modified one things are different and most are playable.
for example this was my take after being offered an exa arcadia setup and noticing how the shit was just a PC with a custom board that had custom slots and noticing that each of the games was just running a custom mame version from the games "cartridge" (hard to call it that way since are just hacked roms on an m2 ssd) so i made a custom generic bezel and put the games they ran as a bonus.
would love to add the custom dodonpachi knuckles hack to the list but i can run it using a batch.
i think i have the dodon titles under a coinops build
i'll doublecheck real quick
maybe thats where i was testingcomparing
something fricky is going on
unless FBneo auto-updates and removes titles from its file select tree on its own
ya it was coinopsgold++
recommended
ddp daioujo tamashi is playable on mame (pic related) while saidai oujo was removed (showtime send a C&D letter to mamedev after they made the code to run that game for violating his copyright after he requested a dump of the rom and get the game running on mame only to back on his words with a C&D for violating his copyright)
>dodonpachi saidai oujo
i believe mame (among others)
is the backend of the coinopsgold build
i kinda want to build a small emulation pc just to keep this as a sandbox
it doesn't have EVERYTHING
but i enjoy a curated list &
have discovered a few good ones this way
>unrelated possible mandela effect question for oldgays:
IS THERE TWO VERSIONS OF MR DO arcade??
i vividly remember filming transition music & sending it to a cutie over instagram
i liked the song enough to buy the original universal board+ pcbjunkie jamma edge adapter
>no music
>replay the 61 in 1 blee board
>music gone
>check instagram messages
>message is gone
>check old photosvideos
>gone
what the FRICK
is there an "EXTRA" life jingle or something?
i KNOW for a fact it was mr do anonkun
im musician, i didnt "misremember"
>After every three levels, there is a brief intermission in which a tune is played and a large, animated Mr. Do appears, together with some of the game's monsters.
Your memories aren't bad, Mr. Do is supposed to have intermission with music every 3 levels.
Namco System 11/12/21/22
Taito GNET
Miscellaneous Sega Model games
Mame doesn't run half of those. Call me when Crisis Zone and Daytona USA runs properly
they do have low fps but that's an issue of not optimizing games for the sake of muh accuracy.
UME ran those games at playable speeds,sadly david stopped caring and became similar to the others and just going with mame instead of making alternate versions more optimized then what mamedev could do.
I still have several of his builds on my personal archive.
>Mame plus ash build.
>Mame ultimate (more optimized for gaming stopped at 0.144)
>UME (better then mame stopped at 0.155 ex up1 maybe,don't know because he named his versions different)
Crisis Zone is System 23 and I did say miscellaneous for Sega. Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtua Racing work.
I'm trying to save up about $900USD to do such a thing if I can find a job this holiday season but a lot of retail stores are closing due to shrink. I was thinking of using the PCIe ArcadeVGA card in a HP T610+, 620+, or 730. I think the 730 has the most powerful processor of the three but only has a m.2 (not NVMe) or USB for storage, the 610+ and 620+ is much weaker, like 1.6ghz weak on top of the AMD nerf, but has SATA ports for old SSDs. The AMD compute capabilities will hinder emulating Model2/3, system11/12/21/22, but should be okay for NeoGeo. What is the last version of MAME that would support such an old/weak processor?
While the thin clients I expect to be already expensive at $100USD, it is more challenging to find a VGA to 4BNC or DVI-I to 4BNC cable due to the outdated and rarely used connections may cost an additional $100USD. The most costly part is finding shielded speakers that won't destroy the CRT screen and whatever speakers hook up to that I need to do research on. Once I get everything together and find a safe, low cost, place to house it, I'll be enjoying Blazing Star like I did in the arcades.
is better to use a mame fork
https://00gamers.wordpress.com/2023/10/25/arcade-0-259-update-1/
is quite good and you get the quality oif arcade (by checking the pics)
That's what Final Burn Neo is. MAME 0.260 just dropped btw.
sadly final burn can't play Knights of Valour 3,Knights of Valour 2 New Legends,Dodonpachi Saidai Oujo,Akai Katana and so on,also final burn is really shitty and outdated.
i still haven't seen deathsmiles,mushipork and so on on the list of final burn neo.
and sadly official mame won't allow you to play some games because exa-arcadia sent them C&D (soon to be deleted games are daraku tenshi,sapurai shodown V zero,p47 aces,batsugun and who knows which more,mame already deleted akai katana and dodonpachi saidai oujo from the list)
Serious questions: Why does MAME only work if your zip file has a specific name, and why is that name often different than the name of the actual game? And why doesn't MAME have a directory on its website listing the actual titles of each game and their MAME abbreviations, forcing me to go to a third party website?
Why do you need it to be on the main MAME website?
This site
http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/
is excellent. It's exactly what you need.
Complaints like this are actual unironic medical autism complaints that have no merit because they are made up in the heads of people who have their own "rules" about needing everything to be "official".
It's indefensible that the MAME devs (who are the ones that decide what the zip files must be called) don't just publish the list themselves, which would take little effort on their part. Instead, they foist that work onto fans who try their best but can't always be accurate.
Anon the MAME devs are directly working with the owner of that site providing the information.
Where does it say that? That's surprising because the website is sometimes wrong.
One the acknowledgements page
http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/ringraziamenti.php
All of these .ini and .dat files the site is pulling from are standards which were created in collaboration with the MAME team to allow the use of 3rd party tools to assist with maintaining a MAME installation.
Complaint retracted.
>the website is sometimes wrong.
Also: people make mistakes. Even if it was officially supported there would be errors.
>Why does MAME only work if your zip file has a specific name
Because MAME needs to tie the .zip file with a specific set of hardware components to emulate. MAME does this by an internal database that says "xxxxxx.zip uses X CPU, X video, X controls" and then checks every needed file listed against what's present to see if you can supply the needed data. The alternatives would be either having the user manually pick out the required hardware, or modifying every single .zip file to have a ID file telling MAME what it is. The latter would really go against the MAME philosophy of only changing a small part of the romset with each update, and both options would require a massive re-write.
>and why is that name often different than the name of the actual game?
One reason in two parts. First off, the majority of people doing dev-work on MAME are doing CLI on linux, and typing out mvsc1u.zip is far quicker than typing out Marvel VS Capcom:Clash of the Superheroes(09261999 US revision).zip. And it's faster to type mame.exe gamename.zip than to launch mame and pick out the game and bypass the warning the game doesn't work when doing dev work. Repeatedly compiling MAME and running the game being tested is as easy as pressing the up arrow and enter. Second, MAME's GUI and pretty much any front-end you can use will automatically convert the short-name on the .zip to the proper name in the internal database. So even if you don't use the Arcade Database website or some audit tool program to figure out what .zip is what game, it's as simple as dumping the .zip in the roms folder and launching MAME.
So it makes life easier on the devs, and they view it to be a non-issue for the users. That's why eprom.zip is Escape From The Planet Of Robot Monsters.
Because of copyright issues. MAME doesn't like talking about roms, where to download them, and how to get them. They assume that everyone "must have ripped their roms legally from their own game boards right?". It's all done under the table with a 'wink and a nod' from the dev team.
Mame started out as emulator and advertised itself as being able to play games like Pac Man. But then it was threatened with lawsuits and legal issues in the past. They survived by changing their marketing to being about "preservation", pushing the idea of saving games from being lost, and avoided talking about roms.
None of that has anything to do with the real reason why MAME uses specific shortened names, which is pretty much entirely development related.
>they avoid talking about roms
You say this like emulator devs are in a habit of distributing and linking to roms.
I'm counting 14422 in merged arcade ROMs folder alone. Do you expect them to list and name everyone of them on their website when they already include a dat file with this information in it? You really need to use a ROM manager if you pull ROMs from various websites. Clrmamepro and ROMVault will fix names and more.
biggest issue of mame is that currently while it runs some games is not as it was before when nicola was on the helm.
>nicola policy was to preserve yet the end of preservation was all the games had to be playable.
>mamedev policy is that is just a preservation tool,any and all changes will be made if increases accuracy 1% even if this means games won't be playable at all there.
those conflicts means that in the near future mame will stop being playable since is just a means to have the info of each pcb and how it worked but not being able to play it.
For example sega titan arcade in the past when nicola was still onboard those games were playable at full speed no issues at all,now they barelly run not even a medium PC can run the games at full speed.
>For example sega titan arcade in the past when nicola was still onboard those games were playable at full speed no issues at all,now they barelly run not even a medium PC can run the games at full speed.
Bullshit, Dynamite Deka never was issue-free. Graphical corruption in sprites and backgrounds and random crashes existed until just a few years ago. Decathalete never worked, Cotton 2's backgrounds in stage 2 onwards were fricked, what Sega Titan arcade games worked better in the past in MAME?
FUD
>For example sega titan arcade in the past when nicola was still onboard those games were playable at full speed no issues at
Then just download the version of MAME where the games were at their most playable for your hardware.
>inb4 that's too much work
Not my problem.
already have that version,was talking about how utter shit works currently.
>but dynamite deka
is not the only game
>but cotton 2
never had issues until i updated to last version a few days ago and got updated working worse so i understand those issues.
nicola was the only one with his mind on
>preservation = games are playable at full speed with no issues.
otherwise what is the point of accuracy if the game is not playable at all.
>naomi : not playable at all (emulation of each part is accurate enough but not playable)
>nintendo super system : unplayable framerates (is kinda embarrassing when zsnes is more playable and accurate)
>sega model 2 : getting worse with each release
>namco arcade : getting worse and unplayable (those worked well when nicola was in charge)
>sega titan : worked perfectly with most games minimal issues with a game (and the one people often mention is dynamite deka EX)
>cave games : currently playable but they get removed or added for unknown reasons.
not really it changed when mamedev came into leadership,you know what happens with emulators when nerds and geeks get in charge.
most of them are cowards so will avoid a fight,and most of them start drooling about how this thing worked and how this isn't accurate yet they don't care about emulation at all.
>Nicola salmoria : gamer and emu developer,know everyone will have weak PC so his emu should simply improve things by making it faster on low end and getting each game playable before adding stuff.
>mamedev : add lot of stuff just for preservation purpose even if it ruins the whole experience,doesn't care about emulation or gaming only to get each piece of hardware accurate and documented through emulation,if your PC is slow buy a new one higher end and even with that games will still be as unplayable as they are.
works on my machine
Nothing is ever good enough for you.
>Naomi
use one of the other emulators that works better for low end hardware.
>Nintendo super system
Use one of the other snes emulators.
>sega model 2
use one of the older releases if it runs poorly for you
>sega titan
see above
>cave games
use one of the forks that add them back
What you're really implying heavily here is you are a lazy homosexual that likes to b***h about things that have real world practical solutions to every instance.
The excuse of "Go use something else then" is not acceptable when we know the devs could do better.
It's accurate to say the new Mame devs aren't really gamers. They are just hardware geeks with tech-lust. They want access to as much rare hardware as possible (even if it means stealing it from owners) because that's what gets them off and satisfies them.
Harsh but not untrue.
Very good description
In practice they didn't stole.
>showtime pass his rare board he got with money from patreon to david to get a dump.
>ask david to make code to emulate said game
>few days later send a cease and desist letter to mamedev for stealing their copyright after getting the dump and code.
>all of that because his company exa arcadia want exclusivity.
>mamedevs as the cowards they are just allowed being called thiefs.
>showtime use the mame code for his machine exa arcadia.
>exa arcadia is just a pc and each game for the system is just an ssd with one game running on custom mame code.
i'm thinking about chucking a MISTer in an arcade cabinet, has anyone done this? what's your setup like?
i do have electronics / console modding / soldering experience...
Is there any set-up that will let me use a light gun with my projection screen? Even if it's one of those shitty motion based systems.
>no set of two sticks with authentic MK button layout
Litterally unplayable.
What's the best setup to emulate arcade games on your 15khz CRT arcade cabinet?
Your question is too broad.
Really? I just need something to run MAME from that will connect to my Jamma harness and output at 15khz. Raspberry Pi seems like it won't cut it
>I just need something to run MAME from that will connect to my Jamma harness and output at 15khz.
A desktop PC is the obvious and best choice.
I love how I dont update MAME and every time I start it up, a new rom has stopped working, or how downloading any new rom has the same dl across 5 billion rom sites and still doesn't work
>rom "stopped working for no reason"
>first place he checks for roms is random ass rom sites and has no idea which version he's downloading
who are you quoting? I put [rom] vXXX in every time
most roms are in the archive and if you already have the rom no need to update the rom because you already have it,if you update mame then yes you search mame 0.256 roms and get done but sadly not all the sites update the roms and mostly put "this works on latest mame" unknown to them mame change the roms every few times (is not even a joke no matter how they claim "we don't change the roms with each update of mame")
They're on 0.260 now but that doesn't matter. There are too many files between arcade and software lists. People have merged, split, and unmerged sets out there in rar, 7z, and zipped formats. If you can't figure out how to use a ROM manager, it's probably best not to use MAME at all.
>If you can't figure out how to use a ROM manager, it's probably best not to use MAME at all
No anon. That's terrible advice. No major piece of software should rely on unadvertised 3rd party apps to help run it. That's just horrible software design.
I've been using MAME successfully and happily for 20 years now and never used a ROM manager.
>I love how I dont update MAME and every time I start it up, a new rom has stopped working
PEBCAK.
i like my setup.
I'm like being pulled towards it and then not, but I like arcade games, and usually am introduced by an inferior home console port, just have some kind of issue with emulation generally, though at the same time obviously I can't afford cabinets.