Arceusbros....we've been surpassed?

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A bit more footage of it. He shows an Eternamax with 654 SpDef taking a beam, and the one with 0 SpDef taking a beam.

Damage calculator says:
>252 Atk Choice Band Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Eternatus-Eternamax: 43-51 (6 - 7.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Possible damage amounts: (43, 43, 44, 44, 45, 45, 46, 46, 47, 47, 48, 48, 49, 49, 50, 51)

Unless there is a hidden mechanic within the console that will limit the damage to 1-2 HP whenever the stat is at 654 Def.

Because in essence showdown is a simulator for the games. If a mechanic functions a certain way in game, they're gonna make it function that way on the simulator too, bugs and all. Clauses and other custom rulesets are applied on top of that

It was common in 8b/16b games but no idea why would someone implement a hard limit like this in a 64b game.

But by doing the cap they are just causing the bug. I would get it if the cap was an actual impossible value (like 715, or 720 for safety sake), to ensure their 8 bit eternal carryover system still works, but capping it at a naturally possible value is ridiculous.
As is not making a 0->1 failsafe when your entire point is avoiding a divide by 0 error.

Maybe but by writing 715 instead of 655 it works every time forever for the same work.

Did it made more sense in the Advance era to do ot that way?

>from the Khu leaks
The only thing mentioned that stems from Khu leaks is the hint he gave about Terastal Form vs. State. The natural conclusion is that both would equal the form that's already been drawn up in the game.
Pic related also may or may not be the topic of Occulture's December issue. It would conveniently line up with the release date of ID, too.

>omni-type
PLEASE

>spanish and italian
Into the trash

I rest my case.

Anon, you're famous
https://twitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1724623268567806031

Unfortunately I've been in enough threads like these to recognize when someone is trolling/ESL. Dude's been perpetuating the cyclical bullshit since the start. I guarantee you he's larping as one of the imaginationgays and is gonna get BTFO'd when people have to explain to him what a temporal paradox is.

>I guarantee you he's larping as one of the imaginationgays and is gonna get BTFO'd when people have to explain to him what a temporal paradox is.
If he's been doing that it's just going to be even funnier when all the time travel cope finally gets put to bed. The one time he's been straight forward in leaking something and not a riddle and time travel copers wouldn't even believe it LMAO

Well let's just address it then:
1. We know it's not time travel
2. We know the Paradox Pokemon are based on tabloids from Occulture claiming they come from the time periods the professor believed they did, which are then based on Heath's descriptions in the book
3. We know some degree of time chamber pocket dimension shenanigans are involved because Heath got the schematics to the machine from what we can assume is the AI
4. Time travel copers and your average fan of the series don't care about Pokemon lore enough and handwave it all the time, so the common opinion is that it doesn't matter and the DLC doesn't have to address it anyway
Khu just likes seeing you shit your pants

>You just described time travel.
Not time travel. Time transcendence. The characters in DBZ don't time travel when they train in the chamber. The characters in SNK didn't time travel when they manipulated events to happen via paths.
Time travel copers are only concerned with proving that the Paradox Pokemon are really from the ancient past or distant future, but that's why it's not a theory because we already know that's not the case.

>You're a moron
It's a jeremy bearimy. If you can't comprehend that why are you calling other people morons?

Man timetravelcucks really are the stupidest posters, huh? The room moves FASTER, not slower, and Eren doesn't manipulate anyone's original memories, he GIVES people extra memories from himself. And none of these phenomenons (not even the ones in your post) are time travel, because none of the characters stop existing and return to existence in a different point of time
No wonder you don't see the problems with Sada/Turo's time travel, you are too stupid to understand timetravel altoghether

>Grisha doesn't get the order in the past until Zeke shows him in the future
>your understanding of time travel is really basic and you think it only exists in a straight line
This gotta be shitposting, nobody can be like this, no one

>doesn't even realize the way people make fun of him

Educated what? I read enough scientific papers to say that time is linear in most systems that don't rely on Einstein's schizophrenia.

I was talking about alternates to the schizophrenia known as relativity.
For example by quantifying space you can rule out poly-dimensional entirely and reduce time travel to parallel universe.
Ironically, Einstein's relativity gave rise to LeMaitre's big bang theory, and the guy wrote it because he was a creationist.

It's the only explanation that makes sense to me. I'm too old and too intelligent to blindly take fairy tales as fact.

If you mean as "conscience time travel" no, not even that. Eren's mind is in the present the entire time, but since he can send messages to the past AND see said past, it functions as if his mind was time traveling, but no, he's only sending messages from the present and remembering the reaction of the receiver.
It's like texting someone who can't text you back, but while you have surveillance cameras in their house. You aren't going to their house to talk and you guys aren't texting eachother, but since you can send a message and you can spy on their reaction, you can still comunicate as long the other guy is aware of your methods.

>okay nobody is disappearing in one point of time and appearing at the other like Sada/Turo claim the paradox pokemon say but it's ALMOST time travel you are just autistic okay?!
lmao

>The characters in DBZ don't time travel when they train in the chamber.
Yes they do. Time travel forward is just that. You travel more slowly while everything else around you is going faster. It's not as "sexy" as as backwards time travel through portals and shit. Forward time travel is boring from a spectacle standpoint, but powerful from a narrative standpoint.

>Figures kids of the fake news era believe fictional fake news.
That's my point exactly. We know Occulture is bullshit, so there is no conceivable way the Paradox Pokemon are actually from the past or future.

>Occulture isn't a hint that they're fake, it's a misdirect hence why every article said it was based on the book as a clue they aren't fake
Then why do the Paradoxes only loosely pull from the book and there is more evidence pointing them to Occulture?
>WW/IL and co.
>Paradox Pokemon supposedly being from different time periods
>The insane tropes they all fit into
>Professor following Occulture, and their missing entries that line up with the remaining Paradoxes
These are only explainable if you conclude that Occulture is a crock of shit. Heath's record doesn't imply anything about the origins of the Paradoxes, and the DLC trio are explicitly called imaginary. The only way time travel conceivably could make sense is if you somehow believe the sketch was NOT imaginary and that Occulture is factual. But they aren't.

>Then why do the Paradoxes only loosely pull from the book
What on earth are you even talking about? The books contain the same physical descriptions occulture mentions.
The fake stuff is the lore behind it like scream tail being one billion years old.
Not to mention the Donphan pictures and sketches near 1 to 1 to the real thing.
>and there is more evidence pointing them to Occulture?
What evidence? All of the fake stories made by occulture aren't shown by the pokemon.
Hell, being from the past and future rarely makes a mention in occulture with about 3 entries being total mentioning that they're found exclusively in the past and future.

>These are only explainable if you conclude that Occulture is a crock of shit
Yes. They are, so I don't understand why you're even taking them into account when everything about the paradoxes predates occulture by 200 years or so.

>The only way time travel conceivably could make sense is if you somehow believe the sketch was NOT imaginary and that Occulture is factual.
What?
Anon, time travel doesn't rely on occulture in any capacity other than confirming that Heath and Co saw all of the paradoxes in person. It's not a one or the other deal either both the sketch and occulture are fake.

>The Musketeer and Beast trios are an imagined fusion in Heath's record
The fusions are fake.
The actual, individual pokemon are real.
If there are occulture entries for them then that means that they, like the other paradoxes, have a page in the books with descriptions written by Heath.

>Time travel copers are the only ones trying to say they're real.
You're literally the only one trying to say that the sketch manifested the trio.
>because they're related to the sketch.
Yes, related.
As in the sketch artist drew it after seeing the three paradoxes

>Made sketches of the originals
Anon, there are no sketches of the other paradoxes other than Donphan. Just descriptions and names.
>That would make sense if it weren't the fricking Beast/Musketeer trio.
You can't even say why it doesn't.
In fact nothing in your post makes sense, you're just trying to make a problem where there are none

>So you agree a large part of the Paradox Pokemon's design and lore is that there are discrepancies between how they are described in Heath's record and the ones we see?
No, how did you even come to that conclusion? When you can't find any discrepancies?
The only visual aid we have are the Donphan and the photos are near exactly the same as the one we encounter.
>Because if the mystery of Paradox Pokemon origins was solved they wouldn't have the time sensitive dex entry "Ecology under Research."
There's no correlation between those things. What are you even trying to suggest with this?
>much like it makes no sense for Cyclizar or Volcarona or the beasts to have had such direct ancestry in the "ancient past" the fact all the "distant future" Paradoxes are robots is a dead giveaway
That's not an explanation, that's just you saying that you don't like it.
>There's no reason they couldn't have directly followed Heath's record if the Scarlet or Violet book was the only inspiration to their making.
Anon, if the sketch artist was inspired to make an original fusion pokemon after seeing the paradox beasts/swords why would he just draw the paradox beasts/swords?

You aren't making any sense here.

>correlation does not equal causation
That's not how that phrase is used.
In any case we have 14 total occulture magazines, all of them have articles based on a description in the books of paradox pokemon heath saw.
What do you think that tells us about the remaining six?

And don't ignore blatant clues and patterns just because you don't like them.

>all of them have articles based on a description in the books of paradox pokemon heath saw.
you don’t have proof that the walking wake occulture entry has a page from heath’s book. you’re assuming it does because other paradox pokemon have a page. as a matter of fact, if heath did see walking wake and raging bolt, why would he include the sketch of the legendary beast fusion anyways?
you can’t rule out the possibility the occulture page for walking wake turned out to be something original the occulture writers came up with.

Funny isn't it, the one pokemon game people can patterngay for, they don't.

The problem is that not only would it mean that there's nothing to inspire the sketch made in Area Zero but it would also mean that all of the paradoxes are real except for the beasts and you'd have no origin for them.
Not to mention where lore is concerned very few have seen the beasts so how would they know to take aspects from the beasts to turn into the OC paradoxes that weren't in the sketch like the diamond pattern on its body and the colors of the beasts.

And how would violet fit into all of this?
The sketch is actually fairly mechanical with certain features like the markings on cobalion's neck being turned into vents and the ball jointed limbs.
You can't really apply that idea to both games.

Anon, the reason you suggested that they split the beasts was because they didn't see them as dinos.
For violet that would mean that they didn't see them as mechanical but clearly they have fairly visible mechanical features.
They would need another reason to do so.

very few people actually see legendary pokemon, but most people can just read about them anyways. like dialga and palkia being gods of spacetime but sinnoh citizens just read and see pictures about them in books. the sketch was something that the artist came up with on their own, y’know entirely a product of their imagination. they might’ve read a book about the legendary beasts/musketeers before the expedition and decided to just draw a fusion.
and the musketeer fusion doesn’t seem all that robotic, the vents are just markings from cobalions neckpiece. also look at a picture of iron crown, even it’s neck aren’t vents, it’s just blue crystals. the feet are from terrakion’s “shoes’ and it just has 2-segmented legs. the fusion’s eyes don’t seem robotic either
and an even bigger question is if heath actually saw Iron Leaves and Iron Crown, why would heath include a sketch of the fusion in his published book and not just ask the sketch artist to draw the actual Iron Leaves?
>tickled the artist's imagination, prompting this sketch of what other species that inhabit these depths might look like.
this doesn’t seem like something heath would write if they actually saw the individual paradox musketeers. you don’t say “might look like.” this sounds more like something someone is pulling out of their ass

>but sinnoh citizens just read and see pictures about them in books.
Which is unlikely, books with pictures of the legends are scarce around the regions. Even the instance with Dialga and palkia in DP was a singular book locked away in a shrine, then you have PLA where no one knew what their almighty Sinnoh looked like.
>the sketch was something that the artist came up with on their own, y’know entirely a product of their imagination.
No, they were explicitly inspired by the pokemon they encountered. Combine that with potential Occulture articles about them and it's painting a picture that they saw them down there too.
They're far too specific to have just been imagined out of the blue.
>the vents are just markings from cobalions neckpiece
You can clearly see on the sketch that they're indents rather than markings and crystals on cobaliom and crown and I see you said nothing about the ball jointed limbs which don't appear on any of them.
>why would heath include a sketch of the fusion in his published book and not just ask the sketch artist to draw the actual Iron Leaves?
Same reason they didn't make sketches of the other paradoxes other than Donphan.
>you don’t say “might look like.” this sounds more like something someone is pulling out of their ass
That's becuase it is, it's a sketch of pokemon he thinks could exist inspired by the pokemon they've seen not an actual pokemon in and of itself.
It's a guess in essence.

>Roaring Moon and Scream Tail having entries in Heath’s book must mean Walking Wake and Raging bolt must have an entry too!!!!
we don’t have the occulture entry for walking wake. simple as. you can’t assume walking wake is written about in heath’s book until we actually get the read the occulture entry itself

>The Musketeer and Beast trios are an imagined fusion in Heath's record, but split up to three issues of Occulture for Jan-March.
Are these in the game yet, or will they be added in next month's DLC?

>The only way time travel conceivably could make sense is if you somehow believe the sketch was NOT imaginary and that Occulture is factual.
If occulture was fact then almost all of the paradoxes would be obtainable normally or they'd be one of a kind due to the circumstances of their creation.
Also if they were imagined the unique aspects described in occulture would be shown by the pokemon but they aren't.

look real*

>they don’t intend to tell you the result
They've told us the "result", kids can't accept that because they can't understand it.

Embrace your inner Nietzsche and make your own answer, unshaken by public opinion.

I feel like it's only as bad as it is right now because the potential answer is one month away. If the dlc doesn't give any new info and the arguments continue they'll probably go the way of zodiac theory, with threads only rarely made.

Heath made it up but they actually existed in the past or future is such a shit answer I would not blame anyone for wanting to find a new one

They didn't let Cosmog and Cosmoem fight in any story line, be manga, anime or games, but once you get yours you can make it fight just fine (even if it's completely useless unless you evolve it)

Oh my bad I read your previous comment as if you meant small Terapagos wasn't playable, like Zygarde cores, my bad, I agree with everything you said.

>Cosmog was an evolution line, not a form change
Which is absolutely irrelevant when the idea is the same, they have a cute, weak baby form and a normal and powerful form.

>Terapagos and Oger will [headcanon]

>reading comprehension
I never said Ogerpon doesn't get into her "mask form" immediately, the headcanon part is Terapagos doing the same. Hell, the fact baby Terapagos has its own form name with its own art and all that shit proves it's not the same as Ogerpon, who lacks "maskless form" name and artwork.

>It's not headcanon, it's believable headcanon or so I think
I didn't bother reading past the first sentence.
All forms of Terapagos are playable.

>missing the point
Terapagos is the source of tera crystals and by extention terastralisation. Taking sparklehats out the equation still leaves Terapagos the source of the energy. Which will flare when it enters battle in Gen 10 and give its in-battle form. It's not rocket science, its disk form they teased in TWO parts of the game separately is the form it takes when you use your tera orb's power to activate terastralisation on beardyturtle, who created the crystals around its body to protect itself in battle. For someone who doesn't care, you sure do seem to care about diminishing it.

Oh I know the gimmicks are going. Which is why I'm trying to explain why beardyturtle isn't a gimmick, only the unrevealed disk form is. But you won't or can't understand it, so are trying to get the final word in as if your word is god.

You have no idea what they're going to do in gen 10. But we all know that gamefreak is creatively bankrupt and Tera will inevitably get's the axe. Doesn't matter what form it's left with, it's will swiftly get powercreep'd by the next DLCmon or whatever hamfisted gimmick they decide to tie it in with. This is why no one cares or should care. All these extra forms and shit is going to only last another 2 years.

>Consumer getting this triggered
I'm just stating facts. I may of gotten older, but you have gotten dumber.

Cool story sister.

I like how you shifted attention from the incompetency of gamefreak and how they cut content to just gaslighting. Since you're not talking about that anymore, I guess I made my point and you agree with me. Good talk. Enjoy your 2 years of gimmickturtle.

>more gaslighting
But you already agreed with me. You're pretty much arguing with yourself at this point. Are you ok anon?

Thanks for sharing anon. Didn't really ask though.

>Rusted sword says frick you moron
What did he mean by this

Are you okay anon?

honestly I thought they were arguing in bad faith this whole time, but I think they may just be that stupid

>But I will consider discussing it with you if you manage to come up with something yourself next time
The fact that that anon is using ai to argue his points just proves he's here just to shitpost, why continue the conversation?

example 1:
>context and dialogue directly from the game script
example 2:
>conjecture
can you see the difference anon

The professor didn't build the AI, they wished for it.

They didn't build an AI in a couple months lol they wished for it.

>Like you said, it works well with the theme of the game.
Not really since the theme of the game is the past and future. Did you even play it?

No, they wished for it.

>Yet another reason why Imagination is the answer
Anon, you have no reasons whatsoever. Even now you're simply assuming that the professor was inspired by Occulture despite the fact that it wouldn't lead to the creation of time machine because most of them were said to be found in modern day Paldea or that there were sightings
>In one arid corner of Paldea
>Somewhere in a Paldean forest
>Eyewitness accounts describe it as resembling a giant Misdreavus at first glance
>There have been precious few sightings reported of the ultra-mysterious Slither Wing
>It has been sighted numerous times in Paldea's more arid regions
>This flying life-form bearing a resemblance to Hydreigon has been seen in a certain corner of Paldea.
>A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea
The ones that don't have no mention of the past or future with the exception of Iron Bundle which says its from the past despite being found in the future.

If they were inspired by Occulture they wouldn't have thought about a time machine meaning it would have to be an original idea. That said, we know that at least in Violet Sada had an interest in fossils since her lab in the academy has a few around.

Also the AI would have known the ins and outs of the machine and would have known it wasn't a time machine given it was tied into it's systems.
Not to mention the AI said that the professor confirmed it was from the past/future not because Occulture or the book but because they actually tested Korai/Mirai on a genetic level.
>Through analysis of its genetic makeup, as well as its behavioral patterns...I came to realize that what I had discovered was in fact an ancient form of Cyclizar, the Pokémon commonly ridden in this region.

Stop shitposting and play the game.

>Gets the exact answer he wants, which is given by parrotting messages that explicitly claim the Paradoxes come from the Past or Future.
Anon, I understand you're angry and I gave you time to cool off in hope you would get it out of your system. This is the entire log of that interaction. There was no "parroting", there was no coaxing for a certain response. I used the game text, that you and whoever else likes to post here ad nauseam and claim "UHH ACKSHULLY THIS PROVES EVERYTHING WRONG", while multiple people have tried to convey to you over and over what the implication Arven is making is quite different. You have vehemently denied, and insulted, others that there is no possible way Arven would be suggesting such a thing. I take two seconds to introduce the scenario to a computer, and even with how primitive the technology is, can decipher and come to the same conclusion as others.

Meanwhile, you're having a schizophrenic episode that I would dare use such technology to "confirm" what I think, even though the entire reason it's being posted is to mock you. I am mocking you anon. You have a learning disability and I am mocking you. I want you to know that. You are quite literally so angry that you are pumping nonsense about a dreamcatcher into chatgpt and accusing me of doing what you're doing. You have an illness.