>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit >bad memory support >disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos >stuttering system using high polling rate peripherals >barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later >x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows >might score a few rare wins >worse igpu than intel >less stable in windows environment overall >burns up and fries
anything I forget?
>bad memory support
so i heard about that, is it true DDR5 takes fricking forever to start up "at first" because it needs to cache memory or some shit?
Only on the first boot. If it's still doing that after the first boot, then you need to update your BIOS.
>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit >bad memory support >disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos >stuttering system using high polling rate peripherals >barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later >x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows >might score a few rare wins >worse igpu than intel >less stable in windows environment overall >burns up and fries
anything I forget?
>Funny how I didn't encounter any of this crap.
all things reported and I've seen videos on, niche issues that barely any adress
There's only one optimal choice - 7800X3D.
>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit
Meanwhile Intel keeps releasing vulnerability fixes that lower performance. >bad memory support
After latest AGESA update it is not able to run Intel XMP kits faster than Intel platforms - https://youtu.be/mEnOu57x3wE >disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos
Fixed a long time ago. >barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later >x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows >might score a few rare wins
Cope, pic related. >worse igpu than intel
Not on APUs, on desktops the iGPU doesn't get much use either way. >less stable in windows environment overall
Not true at all. >burns up and fries
BIOS problem, fixed.
techpowerup doesn't play games >After latest AGESA update
running non 1:1 on ryzen is useless for gaymin, useless on single ccd cpus for gaming (as bz stated in video) >Fixed a long time ago.
how come it's reported recently if it's fixed >Cope, pic related.
x3d was released 6months+ after 12900k and didn't even beat it in all titles or had worse 1% lows
it underperformed hard and was late too
I just checked the techpowerup review and they ran 13th and 12th gen systems at GEAR 2 ON 6000 RAM LOL, let this be a lesson why you should not post mainstream shit tests with no reference >Not on APUs, on desktops the iGPU doesn't get much use either way.
it's used for productivity, amd is worse for utility, yes >Not true at all.
say that to your crashing productivity apps >BIOS problem, fixed.
hopefully
imagine buying x3d for high fps gaming and it stutters with high polling rate peripherals, and still dipping, many niche amd related frick ups like these that are never adressed by mainstream cucks
Why do anons on this board like bringing up ancient problems and blowing them out of proportion?
>ancient problems >never solved never adressed techmainstream media dont even know they exist
are you too moronic to understand that you posted shit numbers and got assblasted? do you even understand anythig? hoooooly
8 months ago
Anonymous
Are you saying something? All I see is incoherent broken English and typos.
8 months ago
Anonymous
never post mainstream tech numbers without any context where the clown you post is using gear 2 ddr5 6000 on intel 13th as your evidence
that is even before we discuss if the ampoo platform is worth using in general with all the frick ups that is not pure gaming
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ranjeep, I still have no idea what you're ranting about.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I know you are too incompetent to even argue with because you are tech illiterate, this conversation is now concluded
don't am5 builds still take over a minute to POST? I actually shut my pc down often and something like that would annoy me enough to not even consider AM5.
t. happy with my am4 5800X3D build for the foreseeable future
they're just lying, i'm on a 7950x / strix x670e on the latest bios and it just takes that long, it's one of the small AM5 drawbacks
conversely i have a mid-ranged 13th gen intel laptop for work which boots in literally like 2 seconds. It's probably the fastest booting device I've ever owned
My 7700x takes 25 second but that's because I'm using Windows dualboot to have a fresh Win10 install on a second m.2.
Before that it was sub 12 seconds.
AM5 is a slow booter, yeah. 10+ seconds with m.2 drives is ridiculously slow. A lot of that is Windows, thoughbeit.
My 7700x takes 25 second but that's because I'm using Windows dualboot to have a fresh Win10 install on a second m.2.
Before that it was sub 12 seconds.
AM5 is a slow booter, yeah. 10+ seconds with m.2 drives is ridiculously slow. A lot of that is Windows, thoughbeit.
also disable amd noise suppression
adds to boot time
Based dream build anon.
I really like 4080 despite everyone's hate boner for it. Offers unmatched performance per watt and doesn't melt power connectors like 4090.
I wanted one with a bus width and vram pool similar to the 7900xt, and at least 85% of the full die for $800 but noooooooooooooooo.
Fricking Jacketchink.
>bad memory support
so i heard about that, is it true DDR5 takes fricking forever to start up "at first" because it needs to cache memory or some shit?
don't am5 builds still take over a minute to POST? I actually shut my pc down often and something like that would annoy me enough to not even consider AM5.
t. happy with my am4 5800X3D build for the foreseeable future
>so i heard about that, is it true DDR5 takes fricking forever to start up "at first" because it needs to cache memory or some shit?
1. this was at the early stage when ddr5 were introduced, same shit happened with ddr4 then it was first introduced. this always happens with a new hardware generation.
2. this is normal at the "first boot" with the new rams, system needs to configure the caches, after this and with the current newest bios, it should normally load. for me it takes so around 5-20 seconds to get into windows with 32gb ddr5 rams.
It takes like 30sec to do memory training each time (yellow LED) but after the first time you can tell the BIOS to just skip training and always boot with the previous config.
>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit
Meanwhile Intel keeps releasing vulnerability fixes that lower performance. >bad memory support
After latest AGESA update it is not able to run Intel XMP kits faster than Intel platforms - https://youtu.be/mEnOu57x3wE >disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos
Fixed a long time ago. >barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later >x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows >might score a few rare wins
Cope, pic related. >worse igpu than intel
Not on APUs, on desktops the iGPU doesn't get much use either way. >less stable in windows environment overall
Not true at all. >burns up and fries
BIOS problem, fixed.
Doesn't get any quicker than the picture you replied to...
Get a low end B650 board, some DDR5-6000 RAM, a cheap tower cooler and done.
Intel can only match it with heavy overclocking requiring the most expensive chipset, and having a cooling setup able to handle 200-300W.
don't am5 builds still take over a minute to POST? I actually shut my pc down often and something like that would annoy me enough to not even consider AM5.
t. happy with my am4 5800X3D build for the foreseeable future
Every AM5 board implements Memory Context Restore now, just like on Intel platforms. A BIOS update might be required if the board was made a long time agon.
Only the first boot after inserting new memory takes longer, again on both platforms.
you have no reason to upgrade for another year+, gpu maybe, but i'd happily wait another ~2 years before i update my rig, 5900x with 6900xt and 32gigs ddr4 3600mhz gskill. Runs great.
Did they fix the usb 3.0 ports frickery and the time it takes to get to the Windows loading screen? Then yes.
As a guy on a AM4 B550 system I had to do quite the workarounds before it was a functional piece of kit and I still have to leave it on because it takes 45 seconds to get to the Windows logo, then I turned the usb type-c port on my case into a 10-way usb hub thanks to the internal type-c connector from the motherboard via chipset.
It won't even properly detect my extern hard drive or printer. My safe device removing thing flickers in and out and if it doesn't it detects my HP printer but in the 20 times I tried it won't connect. It's trying to connect via wifi while it's plugged in via USB. Yet is telling my printer to give le wifi wsp pin for connection but it's USB connected to my pc Ayyyyyymd.
And a 5800X3D feels faster than all of them. Keyword: Latency.
I bet more than half the people posting here doesn't know what HAGS is for their GPU as well.
>5800X3D
Maybe but I doubt it. It's impossible to get the Ryzen boost algorithm to stop downclocking at idle. You can lock a 10900K at 5 GHz with half the memory latency of a 5800X3D.
It could be. Your funnymoney's value fluctuates wildly depending on the time of day, the whims of whichever israelite is in charge of your taxes at that time, or whether you're north, south, east, or west of the Rhine.
I remember hearing about instability because of XAMP or whatever. Is that still the case? I don't care if it takes 5 seconds or 5 minutes to boot, but I'll be pissed if it crashes the wrong program at the wrong time / the entire PC. Should I just upgrade to AM4? I'm on a fricking Phenom II.
Yes and no. Some brands need BIOS updates, and some need specific ones. XMP on AMD is DOCP on ANUS and EOCP on Gigabyte.
I'm running ANUS and I hate it. Everything you've heard that's bad about AM5 is because of ANUS shitting the bed so hard. AMD had some issues but fixed them promptly. ANUS added more on top of it.
The 1 minute boot thing is for first time boot with any new DIMM. Intel's latest architecture does this as well, it's not an AMD only thing. But AM5 at release was bugged and had issues with it.
I'm not going to tell you it's not without it's issues. AM5 is a brand new architecture. Early adopters will suffer, but this has always been a thing. For all brands.
As someone who built their first PC this year with a 5800X3D, I feel so dumb for not going AM5.
I could've waited for a possible price drop.
And now I get frustrated whenever I turn on my computer knowing it's going to be outdated in just a few years.
It's pointless because the new CPUs are just around the corner.
If you wanna stretch things our just upgrade from a 5600 to a 5800x3D. Buying a whole new board and everything just for AM5 which is gonna be obsolete in a few months is just bad if you are not that far behind
I doubt non-X3D Zen5 parts will be any faster than 7800X3D. They would need to hit 6GHz or have major IPC improvements.
I'm waiting for Zen5 X3D because ~50-60% more performance is not worth it, and I won't get nearly as much from going to 5800X3D. But being CPU limited sucks more than being GPU bottlenecked the stuttering is much more noticeable and you can't just lower the settings.
I doubt non-X3D Zen5 parts will be any faster than 7800X3D. They would need to hit 6GHz or have major IPC improvements.
I'm waiting for Zen5 X3D because ~50-60% more performance is not worth it, and I won't get nearly as much from going to 5800X3D. But being CPU limited sucks more than being GPU bottlenecked the stuttering is much more noticeable and you can't just lower the settings.
I wanted to upgrade to a 4080, but I don't think my 3600 is gonna be enough for it. Is it smarter to stick with AM4 and upgrade cpu to 5800x3d, or go for a 7600 and AM5 mobo + ram?
4080 at MSRP is a bad deal, around $1000 it starts to make sense.
You can check benchmarks, 7600 on average is slightly faster than 5800X3D but there are certain games where 5800X3D is much faster. X3D is just drop in replacement as long as you have updated UEFI and at around $300, AM5 motherboard alone will be over $150 with 7600 around $200.
DDR5 6000 became much more affordable but AM5 motherboards keep their high price.
You can also check out 7500F if you don't need iGPU.
Zen5 should come out in Q2 of 2024 so you might wait for that as well.
Is Zen 5 gonna be AM5 OR 4?
If the 4080 is poor value then what is good value? For 1440p I might add. Is a 4090 worth it? Is a 4070 gonna be too anemic for RT?
Zen5 is AM5 it's going to be 8xxx.
You can find some deals on 4080 from time to time, 4090 is just so much faster it's just a bad joke. RT right now is not worth it except for making screenshots. 4090 is just the biggest baddest GPU you can but you might not need it. Look at the games you are going to play at 1440p and see for yourself what performance are you going to get out of each GPU.
Next generation is going to be interesting.
Intel are finally moving to a newer architecture and we can expect huge power and temp drops. Not much in performance apparently. I wonder if Intel will end up losing in workstation tasks as the result. Possibly if the new line launches as rocky as Zen 1 did for AMD. Old Intel chips will retain some value tho due to the old architecture having certain advantages i guess.
AMD meanwhile will just continue going down the road they laid out and according to various insiders the new Ryzen CPUs will on average be 15-18% faster than the current lineup. Which should be enough for them to comfortably beat Intel again but once Intel get used to their new chips we might finally have some close battles again.
LOL bro.
14th gen i9s are being benchmarked already and they've showing an increase in power draw for sub 5% increases in performance. Intel has nothing. If AMD fixes Zen 4 issues with 4+ and 5, then it's over for Intel in the consumer market as much as it is for them in the server market.
I don't need hype, just performance on a platform that at least pretend to have some longevity.
Quite happy to settle with AM5 unless AMD fricks up and release AM6 too early, I guess we'll see but I doubt games will get even more CPU intensive anytime soon. Also, this chip is great for emulation which I do a lot of.
I still gotta do the PBO optimization. It's definitely powerful and pulls so little power my old PSU is doing just fine, but it still heats up a lot. Everything else went smoothly, beyond Windows still being a shit.
>great for emulation which I do a lot of
Emulation was the number 1 reason I got my first PC 22 years ago. It was AMD then. It struggled on ePSXe while an Intel CPU from that era with 1/3rd the core speed could run ePSXe no problem.
In fact every single AMD platform I've built had some issue with emulation aside from two. One is my current build. AM5 is a beast and rocks the only CPU that can do 60 fps in RDR1 in RPCS3.
Yep. 1.2 Ghz Athlon. I could run PJ64 to play Smash Bros, and Ocarina of Time on it, though!
The Intel I was mentioning was in a Gateway I salvaged off the side of the road. I ran CPUz on it and the Athlon to see why one could run ePSXe at full speed with no hitches and the other couldn't; it was cache and FSB. The Intel had twice the cache and FSB speed. It was also some kind of enigma CPU, too. 450 MHz Pentium 3 on a daughterboard. Apparently these things weren't meant to be put on the market, but I guess Gateway had a bunch for OEM purposes.
It even had a Riva TNT and a Soundblaster in it. I wish I still had that thing to use as a DOS box.
How come all Intel cpus are ranked higher than the x3d on le reddits rpcs3?
Even the mongoloids techpowerup running gimped halved ram speeds the 13900k gets 2 fps behind x3d stock in that game, they running completely fricked settings
It's not pointless to upgrade from AM4 unless you are already on 5800X3D.
My 5600 is struggling to keep 60 in modern AAA trash.
>My 5600 is struggling to keep 60 in modern AAA trash.
Almost as if drones are starting to catch on to how slow zen3 vanilla is, alot worse than Skylake cores
No wonder it chugs in aaa slop now, it's a slow ass cpu
>Almost as if drones are starting to catch on to how slow zen3 vanilla is, alot worse than Skylake cores >No wonder it chugs in aaa slop now, it's a slow ass cpu
I installed some of those games just to make screenshots but damn, scatfield is just running so slow on every CPU.
I didn't try jedi survivor but that game also stutters all the time no matter what CPU you have.
Redfall and TLOU same shit.
The 5600 has handled everything well until recently. Cyberpunks DLC and Starfield are the only games where it finally shows its limit and those games are not very well optimized. Cyberpunk especially does a terrible job with AMD hardware.
Those stupid cuck cores in the 13th gen need a AI co-processor to act as a scheduler and traffic cop for them or the CPU doesn't work as fast as it theoretically could. And guess which OS is the only OS in which that co-processor can properly operate under? That's right; Windows 11!
I think we're gonna see a schism after windows 10 dies
win 11 cattle will keep buying intelvidia and get spitroasted by both their hardware and software while the smarter people will learn linux and buy amd because that's the only thing that works properly
If you have the cash and your setup is nearing 10yo you'll get 3-4x the performance from am5
If you are on am4 frick off moron
If you bought intel my condolences, hardware store has some rope for you
I have a ryzen 7600, ddr5 6000. Had no issue at all, specially with boot time: My PC takes something like 5 sec to launch.
Also, thanks to the tiny gpu of my 7600 I can code video games, including hw accelerated ray tracing.
So I don't need to buy a GPU.
>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit
>bad memory support
>disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos
>stuttering system using high polling rate peripherals
>barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later
>x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows
>might score a few rare wins
>worse igpu than intel
>less stable in windows environment overall
>burns up and fries
anything I forget?
>bad memory support
so i heard about that, is it true DDR5 takes fricking forever to start up "at first" because it needs to cache memory or some shit?
Only on the first boot. If it's still doing that after the first boot, then you need to update your BIOS.
Funny how I didn't encounter any of this crap.
>Funny how I didn't encounter any of this crap.
all things reported and I've seen videos on, niche issues that barely any adress
techpowerup doesn't play games
>After latest AGESA update
running non 1:1 on ryzen is useless for gaymin, useless on single ccd cpus for gaming (as bz stated in video)
>Fixed a long time ago.
how come it's reported recently if it's fixed
>Cope, pic related.
x3d was released 6months+ after 12900k and didn't even beat it in all titles or had worse 1% lows
it underperformed hard and was late too
I just checked the techpowerup review and they ran 13th and 12th gen systems at GEAR 2 ON 6000 RAM LOL, let this be a lesson why you should not post mainstream shit tests with no reference
>Not on APUs, on desktops the iGPU doesn't get much use either way.
it's used for productivity, amd is worse for utility, yes
>Not true at all.
say that to your crashing productivity apps
>BIOS problem, fixed.
hopefully
imagine buying x3d for high fps gaming and it stutters with high polling rate peripherals, and still dipping, many niche amd related frick ups like these that are never adressed by mainstream cucks
>ancient problems
>never solved never adressed techmainstream media dont even know they exist
Oh. You're moronic. And/or ESL.
are you too moronic to understand that you posted shit numbers and got assblasted? do you even understand anythig? hoooooly
Are you saying something? All I see is incoherent broken English and typos.
never post mainstream tech numbers without any context where the clown you post is using gear 2 ddr5 6000 on intel 13th as your evidence
that is even before we discuss if the ampoo platform is worth using in general with all the frick ups that is not pure gaming
Ranjeep, I still have no idea what you're ranting about.
Yeah I know you are too incompetent to even argue with because you are tech illiterate, this conversation is now concluded
nah, my pc boots in around 5 sec.
This post will be ignored and 5-10 more "duz am5 tak 4evur to post stil? xD" posts will be made before this thread archives.
they're just lying, i'm on a 7950x / strix x670e on the latest bios and it just takes that long, it's one of the small AM5 drawbacks
conversely i have a mid-ranged 13th gen intel laptop for work which boots in literally like 2 seconds. It's probably the fastest booting device I've ever owned
My 7700x takes 25 second but that's because I'm using Windows dualboot to have a fresh Win10 install on a second m.2.
Before that it was sub 12 seconds.
AM5 is a slow booter, yeah. 10+ seconds with m.2 drives is ridiculously slow. A lot of that is Windows, thoughbeit.
also disable amd noise suppression
adds to boot time
You can make it boot faster by enabling Memory Context Restore but apparently that has some stability issues.
Why is 7800X3D better than 7950X3D?
Multi-MCM is shit for video games. Great for when you need lots of cores, but when you don't it becomes a prawnblem.
because fricking amd is relying on windows fricking gamebar to manage ccd0 instructions
Based dream build anon.
I really like 4080 despite everyone's hate boner for it. Offers unmatched performance per watt and doesn't melt power connectors like 4090.
everybody likes the 4080 they just wanted one for $800 not $1200
I wanted one with a bus width and vram pool similar to the 7900xt, and at least 85% of the full die for $800 but noooooooooooooooo.
Fricking Jacketchink.
5 sec. gang
>so i heard about that, is it true DDR5 takes fricking forever to start up "at first" because it needs to cache memory or some shit?
1. this was at the early stage when ddr5 were introduced, same shit happened with ddr4 then it was first introduced. this always happens with a new hardware generation.
2. this is normal at the "first boot" with the new rams, system needs to configure the caches, after this and with the current newest bios, it should normally load. for me it takes so around 5-20 seconds to get into windows with 32gb ddr5 rams.
It takes like 30sec to do memory training each time (yellow LED) but after the first time you can tell the BIOS to just skip training and always boot with the previous config.
There's only one optimal choice - 7800X3D.
>amd bios and agesa updates constantly to fix broken shit
Meanwhile Intel keeps releasing vulnerability fixes that lower performance.
>bad memory support
After latest AGESA update it is not able to run Intel XMP kits faster than Intel platforms - https://youtu.be/mEnOu57x3wE
>disconnecting usb due to the shit usb controllers on the mobos
Fixed a long time ago.
>barely reach parity with intel or if at all arriving later
>x3d cpus still amd dip with their 1% lows
>might score a few rare wins
Cope, pic related.
>worse igpu than intel
Not on APUs, on desktops the iGPU doesn't get much use either way.
>less stable in windows environment overall
Not true at all.
>burns up and fries
BIOS problem, fixed.
>7800X3D
QRD?
Doesn't get any quicker than the picture you replied to...
Get a low end B650 board, some DDR5-6000 RAM, a cheap tower cooler and done.
Intel can only match it with heavy overclocking requiring the most expensive chipset, and having a cooling setup able to handle 200-300W.
>After latest AGESA update it is not able
is able*
Pic related - top end Intel losing to AyyyMD while taking 3x the power.
Low power = low performance
AyMD btfo again
The virgin AM5 LGA vs the CHAD AM4 PGA
realistically you don't sneed more than a 5600 because that's what i have
Verification not required.
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Giga based. You’re on the shitter too, aren’t you?
Don't overthink it. I Just bought a ryzen 7 5800x3d(am4) for £200 and it will unironically last me for 4+ years.
What hype?
I'm still doing fine with my Ryzen 5 2600, and my B350 mobo allows to upgrade to 5000 series, I'm not falling for the AM5 meme anytime soon
don't am5 builds still take over a minute to POST? I actually shut my pc down often and something like that would annoy me enough to not even consider AM5.
t. happy with my am4 5800X3D build for the foreseeable future
Every AM5 board implements Memory Context Restore now, just like on Intel platforms. A BIOS update might be required if the board was made a long time agon.
Only the first boot after inserting new memory takes longer, again on both platforms.
Why do anons on this board like bringing up ancient problems and blowing them out of proportion?
Because they don't accept their sports team losing. They will kvetch all meritoric discussion out.
you have no reason to upgrade for another year+, gpu maybe, but i'd happily wait another ~2 years before i update my rig, 5900x with 6900xt and 32gigs ddr4 3600mhz gskill. Runs great.
Solid 1080p build bro.
Solid 1440p 144hz ultrawide* build you mean?
Not with how badly these upcoming games are coded.
I fricking LOVE Nvidia and AMD, bros!! Did you know that Intel GPUs had literal DEMONS in them?
should i upgrade my 5800x non 3d in a year?
Did they fix the usb 3.0 ports frickery and the time it takes to get to the Windows loading screen? Then yes.
As a guy on a AM4 B550 system I had to do quite the workarounds before it was a functional piece of kit and I still have to leave it on because it takes 45 seconds to get to the Windows logo, then I turned the usb type-c port on my case into a 10-way usb hub thanks to the internal type-c connector from the motherboard via chipset.
Here's post 1.
wait until AM5 is about to be phased out then build a 9800X3D system for $1000 + $1000 RTX 6070
>buying anything but the xx90-tier from nvidia
lol cuck
By then a xx70 class will be like 30% of the full die.
How long will AM5 last
AMD committed to support until 2026
2026 prolly. AMD has their Zen release schedule up for the world to see if you just google it, zoomzoom.
Unless you are buying a high end GPU, no.
>amd
>hype
AMD Ryzen is pure unstable shite.
Google it.
Reboots, crashes, disconnecting USBs, weird stuff.
t. Regretful Ryzen owner
works on my machine(s)... 6 years running. Maybe because I never went for bleeding edge meme ram clocks.
It won't even properly detect my extern hard drive or printer. My safe device removing thing flickers in and out and if it doesn't it detects my HP printer but in the 20 times I tried it won't connect. It's trying to connect via wifi while it's plugged in via USB. Yet is telling my printer to give le wifi wsp pin for connection but it's USB connected to my pc Ayyyyyymd.
No, and neither is a 13th gen build.
>13th gen build.
What's wrong with it?
Watch the video, moron.
>5800X3D
Maybe but I doubt it. It's impossible to get the Ryzen boost algorithm to stop downclocking at idle. You can lock a 10900K at 5 GHz with half the memory latency of a 5800X3D.
>downclocking
That's what causes the constant reboots I think.
Or it's your shitty PSU you cheaped out on.
160 eur isn't really cheap
It could be. Your funnymoney's value fluctuates wildly depending on the time of day, the whims of whichever israelite is in charge of your taxes at that time, or whether you're north, south, east, or west of the Rhine.
And a 5800X3D feels faster than all of them. Keyword: Latency.
I bet more than half the people posting here doesn't know what HAGS is for their GPU as well.
Buy Guide:
AMD = if your'e fricking around
INTEL = if you're serious
good morning sirs!
>hundreds of watts to do what AMD does with 60
Yeah. Serious as a fricking housefire.
>a couple hundred watts is a housefire
jesus christ, zoomers would have panic attacks walking into a room in the 90s and merely turning on the lights
>cannot into hyperbole and sarcasm
Turd world brown scum go home.
>I-I was only pretending to be moronic!
nope
>brownoid doubles down on being moronic
I'm white and I make more money than you.
When it can't be dissipated, yes a housefire.
I remember hearing about instability because of XAMP or whatever. Is that still the case? I don't care if it takes 5 seconds or 5 minutes to boot, but I'll be pissed if it crashes the wrong program at the wrong time / the entire PC. Should I just upgrade to AM4? I'm on a fricking Phenom II.
Yes and no. Some brands need BIOS updates, and some need specific ones. XMP on AMD is DOCP on ANUS and EOCP on Gigabyte.
I'm running ANUS and I hate it. Everything you've heard that's bad about AM5 is because of ANUS shitting the bed so hard. AMD had some issues but fixed them promptly. ANUS added more on top of it.
The 1 minute boot thing is for first time boot with any new DIMM. Intel's latest architecture does this as well, it's not an AMD only thing. But AM5 at release was bugged and had issues with it.
I'm not going to tell you it's not without it's issues. AM5 is a brand new architecture. Early adopters will suffer, but this has always been a thing. For all brands.
As someone who built their first PC this year with a 5800X3D, I feel so dumb for not going AM5.
I could've waited for a possible price drop.
And now I get frustrated whenever I turn on my computer knowing it's going to be outdated in just a few years.
It's fine. You avoided the early adopter problems and got yourself the best the AM4 socket could offer. Enjoy it.
Doesn't really matter when it won't be supported for much longer anyway
You're either dumb or fishing for (you)s. 5800x3d is still a top performer.
Not upgrading from my 9700k yet simple as
>5600x3d ended up being a limited thing
Noooooooo
Don't Advanced Mandarin Devices chips explode now?
always have
I cracked the die on Athlon XP while mounting the cooler.
The worst part, it was my friend's CPU.
Ganker sure is full of salty brownoid AMD haters.
Ryzen raped shitel into irrelevance since 2017 so of course indians with core2duos are mad.
Decent if you upgrading from an older CPU. Pointless if you are already on AM4. In that case just wait for next year when Zen 5 launches.
It's not pointless to upgrade from AM4 unless you are already on 5800X3D.
My 5600 is struggling to keep 60 in modern AAA trash.
It's pointless because the new CPUs are just around the corner.
If you wanna stretch things our just upgrade from a 5600 to a 5800x3D. Buying a whole new board and everything just for AM5 which is gonna be obsolete in a few months is just bad if you are not that far behind
I doubt non-X3D Zen5 parts will be any faster than 7800X3D. They would need to hit 6GHz or have major IPC improvements.
I'm waiting for Zen5 X3D because ~50-60% more performance is not worth it, and I won't get nearly as much from going to 5800X3D. But being CPU limited sucks more than being GPU bottlenecked the stuttering is much more noticeable and you can't just lower the settings.
AM5 is going to be around for 3 more years, you dumbass.
I wanted to upgrade to a 4080, but I don't think my 3600 is gonna be enough for it. Is it smarter to stick with AM4 and upgrade cpu to 5800x3d, or go for a 7600 and AM5 mobo + ram?
4080 at MSRP is a bad deal, around $1000 it starts to make sense.
You can check benchmarks, 7600 on average is slightly faster than 5800X3D but there are certain games where 5800X3D is much faster. X3D is just drop in replacement as long as you have updated UEFI and at around $300, AM5 motherboard alone will be over $150 with 7600 around $200.
DDR5 6000 became much more affordable but AM5 motherboards keep their high price.
You can also check out 7500F if you don't need iGPU.
Zen5 should come out in Q2 of 2024 so you might wait for that as well.
Is Zen 5 gonna be AM5 OR 4?
If the 4080 is poor value then what is good value? For 1440p I might add. Is a 4090 worth it? Is a 4070 gonna be too anemic for RT?
>is zen 5 going to use the old socket with outdated features and ram or the new one
do you have brain damage
Zen5 is AM5 it's going to be 8xxx.
You can find some deals on 4080 from time to time, 4090 is just so much faster it's just a bad joke. RT right now is not worth it except for making screenshots. 4090 is just the biggest baddest GPU you can but you might not need it. Look at the games you are going to play at 1440p and see for yourself what performance are you going to get out of each GPU.
Next generation is going to be interesting.
Intel are finally moving to a newer architecture and we can expect huge power and temp drops. Not much in performance apparently. I wonder if Intel will end up losing in workstation tasks as the result. Possibly if the new line launches as rocky as Zen 1 did for AMD. Old Intel chips will retain some value tho due to the old architecture having certain advantages i guess.
AMD meanwhile will just continue going down the road they laid out and according to various insiders the new Ryzen CPUs will on average be 15-18% faster than the current lineup. Which should be enough for them to comfortably beat Intel again but once Intel get used to their new chips we might finally have some close battles again.
LOL bro.
14th gen i9s are being benchmarked already and they've showing an increase in power draw for sub 5% increases in performance. Intel has nothing. If AMD fixes Zen 4 issues with 4+ and 5, then it's over for Intel in the consumer market as much as it is for them in the server market.
I only just got a 5900x used for 250$...kicksass from the 2600x I had
I don't need hype, just performance on a platform that at least pretend to have some longevity.
Quite happy to settle with AM5 unless AMD fricks up and release AM6 too early, I guess we'll see but I doubt games will get even more CPU intensive anytime soon. Also, this chip is great for emulation which I do a lot of.
I still gotta do the PBO optimization. It's definitely powerful and pulls so little power my old PSU is doing just fine, but it still heats up a lot. Everything else went smoothly, beyond Windows still being a shit.
>great for emulation which I do a lot of
Emulation was the number 1 reason I got my first PC 22 years ago. It was AMD then. It struggled on ePSXe while an Intel CPU from that era with 1/3rd the core speed could run ePSXe no problem.
In fact every single AMD platform I've built had some issue with emulation aside from two. One is my current build. AM5 is a beast and rocks the only CPU that can do 60 fps in RDR1 in RPCS3.
Based. I also had an old Athlon cpu back then, it could barely get 30fps on HL2 heh
Yep. 1.2 Ghz Athlon. I could run PJ64 to play Smash Bros, and Ocarina of Time on it, though!
The Intel I was mentioning was in a Gateway I salvaged off the side of the road. I ran CPUz on it and the Athlon to see why one could run ePSXe at full speed with no hitches and the other couldn't; it was cache and FSB. The Intel had twice the cache and FSB speed. It was also some kind of enigma CPU, too. 450 MHz Pentium 3 on a daughterboard. Apparently these things weren't meant to be put on the market, but I guess Gateway had a bunch for OEM purposes.
It even had a Riva TNT and a Soundblaster in it. I wish I still had that thing to use as a DOS box.
How come all Intel cpus are ranked higher than the x3d on le reddits rpcs3?
Even the mongoloids techpowerup running gimped halved ram speeds the 13900k gets 2 fps behind x3d stock in that game, they running completely fricked settings
>My 5600 is struggling to keep 60 in modern AAA trash.
Almost as if drones are starting to catch on to how slow zen3 vanilla is, alot worse than Skylake cores
No wonder it chugs in aaa slop now, it's a slow ass cpu
I don't fricking know. All I know is that the 7800x3d can do 60fps in RDR1. It's the first CPU to break the 60fps barrier in that game.
>Almost as if drones are starting to catch on to how slow zen3 vanilla is, alot worse than Skylake cores
>No wonder it chugs in aaa slop now, it's a slow ass cpu
I installed some of those games just to make screenshots but damn, scatfield is just running so slow on every CPU.
I didn't try jedi survivor but that game also stutters all the time no matter what CPU you have.
Redfall and TLOU same shit.
The 5600 has handled everything well until recently. Cyberpunks DLC and Starfield are the only games where it finally shows its limit and those games are not very well optimized. Cyberpunk especially does a terrible job with AMD hardware.
>buying AMD
Enjoy getting scammed
>userbenchmark
oh no, it's moronic
At this point I don't believe anyone who posts this shit is serious.
>cuck cores, forced windows 11 and massive latency issues
How the frick is this allowed?
>but it's x% cheaper!!
Don't care.
Those stupid cuck cores in the 13th gen need a AI co-processor to act as a scheduler and traffic cop for them or the CPU doesn't work as fast as it theoretically could. And guess which OS is the only OS in which that co-processor can properly operate under? That's right; Windows 11!
Frick Intel.
I think we're gonna see a schism after windows 10 dies
win 11 cattle will keep buying intelvidia and get spitroasted by both their hardware and software while the smarter people will learn linux and buy amd because that's the only thing that works properly
If you were goy enough to "upgrade" to Windows 10 you are definitely goy enough to make the jump to 11 once 10 dies.
People made the big switch after Win 7 died.
That's fine with me. So long as we can make sure to have it illegal to make AMD's TMP shit incapable of being disabled.
ddr5 ram is kind of annoying ngl
If you have the cash and your setup is nearing 10yo you'll get 3-4x the performance from am5
If you are on am4 frick off moron
If you bought intel my condolences, hardware store has some rope for you
I have a ryzen 7600, ddr5 6000. Had no issue at all, specially with boot time: My PC takes something like 5 sec to launch.
Also, thanks to the tiny gpu of my 7600 I can code video games, including hw accelerated ray tracing.
So I don't need to buy a GPU.
Should I just wait for Ryzen 8000?
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 paired with my 7800 XT.
Yes, it's only 6-8 months away.
Just Wait™