>gay pride parade fanfiction cringe fantasy
spot on
can't believe how much modern RPGs focus on romance, bi characters and having homosexuals left and right instead of adventuring and cool quest design.
This, unironically. Glad I not the only one to notice it. I personally I put the blame on Dragon Age Origins, but I feel Baldur Gate 2 is also to blame for the state of RPGs currently. As for Dark Fantasy Videogames dying its hard to tell. The only big ones from recent memory would be Witcher and FromSoft Games. Battle Brothers also fits the dark/low/heroic fantasy genre pretty well but its an indie Xcom/M&B mash. Any other recent Action Dark Fantasy games?
DAO has one “gay” guy whos rife with personal issues and is killable several times in the story. The other is also killable, many times in the story was also a former assassin.
The issue was not that they had a gay in it, it is that, like with Mass Effect, Bioware pushed relationship bullshit too hard in the game. DAO was where it was starting to stray from the dark fantasy path to the CW relationship fantasy path.
I feel DAO is unfairly maligned for that, BG2 had it too, DAO just had it with better technology
The problem is that both devs and fans of Bioware games (and later all RPGs) started being more and more women and homosexuals, who literally don't care about anything except their VN romance
And this isn't sn exaggeration, literally go to any discussion about Dragon Age or RPGs in a gay mainstream website snd you'll find many, many comments to the tune of "I don't really care about gameplay, I play it for the writing snd characters (i.e. the romances)
This shit started definitely with BG2. God, I hate it so much. I don't want to play a fricking dating sim, I want to kill ugly monsters and find cool shit.
Since you indirectly brought up tactical rpg like games, does anyone else agree that RNG is inherently flawed in such a context?
Like imagine if you took those stats and made it so the player knows exactly what will happen if they make their unit go up against three guys?
Dmg > how much damage you'll do
Eva > flat reduces a percentage of enemy dmg
Acc > flatly removes enemy evasion
Def > Dmg threshold, anything under it deals no dmg
Crit > At certain thresholds doubles dmg, raised by using effective weaponry or certain special weapons.
CritAvo > Lowers enemy crit
Spd > decides who attacks first in a clash and nothing more
dodgy characters would be able to avoid almost all dmg from low acc but high dmg characters, but they can't solo armies. high def characters can actually zone out most enemy types except high dmg fast characters, acc characters hard counter fast dodgy types.
>does anyone else agree that RNG is inherently flawed in such a context?
No, because in your example you are making a deterministic system which will lead to combat being more about min/maxing your moves and actions which will lead to more puzzle-like encounters rather than something that feels like actual combat. You can easily observe this in a game like Panzer Corp 2 where you have a slider for how little or much RNG you want in the combat rolls. With zero RNG it becomes a full blown puzzle game and loses all feel of being a WW2 wargame. With medium amount of RNG it feels like an actual tactics game.
>does anyone else agree that RNG is inherently flawed in such a context?
No, because in your example you are making a deterministic system which will lead to combat being more about min/maxing your moves and actions which will lead to more puzzle-like encounters rather than something that feels like actual combat. You can easily observe this in a game like Panzer Corp 2 where you have a slider for how little or much RNG you want in the combat rolls. With zero RNG it becomes a full blown puzzle game and loses all feel of being a WW2 wargame. With medium amount of RNG it feels like an actual tactics game.
RNG introduces risks and reward, no RNG = the game is chess with different rules (unless it's based on skill and reflexes)
What if the RNG was a seed system that modified unit compositions (within reason) of each map. So while the unit strengths would be static (barring equipment/tier up modifications) The actual "puzzle" of the ideal actions could be different each time because where there could be a squad of archers, there could be a single mage instead.
Another thing I had thought of (for a more sci fi like setting) would be where the player themselves are only allowed a few actions per turn to directly modify the actions of 4 AI controlled squads to complete a mission. The gimmick would be that each squad has their reputation system with the others and this would modify how much the squads would work together or care about friendly fire. The 4th squad would be the strongest but their unique gimmick is that they treat everyone, including the other 3 squads as hostiles, even when controlled by the player, the other squads will be highlighted in red and be hidden in the FOW.
Naturally, the missions themselves would be designed to be too difficult for any one squad to complete on their own. So the actual strategy will be the player trying to use the unique strengths of each squad while ensuring they do not meet during the mission. The AI would be programmed to utilize environmental effects and destructible elements to try to force the player's squads to meet or catch each other in the crossfire.
? There is one lesbian couple, one gay guy and the companions are mostly playersexual (except the gay guy and cam and lann who are straight).
Three gay people is a homosexual gay pride parade musical parody?
Interesting how first it's "ohh I just want muh adventure and gameplay and not romance bullshit" but then transforms into "We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames" once the nazi is questioned. Very interesting.
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames"
Yes.
9 months ago
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>Say you are from Reddit, without saying it.
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Well if we're gonna have sexuality it might as well be hetero
9 months ago
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This. Any gay content could have been more straight content.
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes. We need to go back to better times.
9 months ago
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nta but >We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes
Literally nothing is gained by adding homosexuals to it
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
9 months ago
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>not wanting to see gay homosexuals >REEE nazi
You deserve to have your children raped by gay Black folk
9 months ago
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>erm akchually you need to be more specific
99% of you homosexuals believe in many ideas of nazizm, don't pretend like you're that different.
9 months ago
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nazism*
9 months ago
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>99% of you homosexuals believe in many ideas of nazizm
Yes, only Nazis disliked homosexuals
9 months ago
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Weren't the israelites good buddies with this guy?
9 months ago
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so good that he relocated them all to siberia
9 months ago
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It's alleged that Stalin was planning purging israelites from Soviet Union, but we'll never know if those documents are real.
Staling also factually did make Soviet Union more morally reactionary - like it is often forgotten that Stalin banned abortion in 1936 - but most of that was instantly rolled back by Khrushchev once he came to power and started dismantling Stalin's legacy.
9 months ago
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This guy had no buddies. He was a clinically paranoic and killed absolutely everybody. The israelites did a huge part in the rise of marxism and communism though. That alone means Hitler was right.
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
9 months ago
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We can keep gays in there. They can be sniveling dishonest and self centered side characters that are meant to represent the weak aspects of human nature people should never fall into
9 months ago
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Sounds like how Fallout 2 was going to do the gay settlement until the devs b***hed out and didn't include it. I'm sure Tim Cain put a stop to it before he left development, which is unfortunate because it would have made Fallout 2's world decent.
9 months ago
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> We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes.
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes
9 months ago
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>Interesting how first it's "ohh I just want muh adventure and gameplay and not romance bullshit" but then transforms into "We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames" once the nazi is questioned. Very interesting.
Yes
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
yeah
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
9 months ago
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Suddenly subverting a genuine concern to get what you REALLY want isn't okay when you're not the one doing it, homosexual?
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
I'm from Baltimore so one gay is ok.
9 months ago
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Yes, that is exactly what I want. How is that so difficult for you to understand considering it's what people like who are like minded have been telling you homosexuals for 3 decades now.
How the frick are you this dense to not know what vidya players want?
9 months ago
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>We should remove anything but heterosexuality
There's no need to specify "from videogames"
Also, there are literally billions of muslim and africans who want to kill homosexual. There are way way waaaaaaaay more numerous than the Nazi every were, even at peak Nazism. Let alone nowaday.
Yep modern fantasy is just modernity with a costume and all the social mores/comforts of a college town filled with painfully middle class Uni students. You need only look at wheelchair accessible dungeons to understand the genre has become a parody of itself. The Onion must have run out of material at this point.
>gay pride parade fanfiction cringe fantasy
spot on
can't believe how much modern RPGs focus on romance, bi characters and having homosexuals left and right instead of adventuring and cool quest design.
That homosexual certainly didn't help. At the very least he dug a gigantic emo/homosexualry pit for Final Fantasy that it's only now starting to climb out of.
That homosexual certainly didn't help. At the very least he dug a gigantic emo/homosexualry pit for Final Fantasy that it's only now starting to climb out of.
>morons who didn't play the amano games that had men with lipstick and dressed in Joseph's technicolor wardrobe
I hate you fricking underage so much.
>Nomura
Lol no. It was Bioware with Mass Effect and Dragon Age that popularized this shit. You could tell they cared more about having gay romance options that making good games.
Not really, it's kind of there but as far as I can tell Tieflings aren't that discrimated. At the start there's a druid grove with a group of tieflings and the leader seems to hate them as they would normally be hated in more sensible settings but over all they're just another flavor of human these days. Same with any race, it's not just the inherent politics behind the current political zeitgeist gripping the medium it's also because players expect to be treated like the chosen one. Drow should be KoS but all you get is mild comments. BG3 is a good attempt but there's definite wokeness there that overshadows it occasionally.
1. Lawful stupid is the 'accidentally a genocide' alignment. If it's supposed to be the 'le human male fighter' meme it should be neutral good
2. It should be elves and tieflings
3. Playing a human is npc behavior, pointing out the edgelord rogue tiefling sasuke trope doesn't absolve the former sin.
Also >Fighter in 5e
lol, lmao even.
Every time someone posts one of his posts he sounds phenomenally based and cool
It's just sad that we live in a world where you can build something great for you and your peers and it can be hijacked by the greediest israelites and deturped into an abomination with little resemblance to the original
the entire schtick of "lawful" is whatever you're doing is in tight accordance to some creed or code
9 months ago
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So if the law says you have to rape 5 women a day, what word would you use to describe the law?
9 months ago
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"lawful"
9 months ago
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>oh yeah what if i make up a law that doesn't exist either IRL or in game? checkmate
you are a homosexual
9 months ago
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>make up setting for campaign >fine >make up laws for setting >fine >make up previous non-existing law that magic fire users must register with king fuzzynuts >fine >make up other law that I dont want to have to think about >reeeee u gay
>orc babies and females >women and children
You are what's wrong with modern RPGs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Gaysex wasn't talking about orcs when he said that you dumb Black person, he was talking about humans. Specifically referencing bronze age behavior that various groups would do to each other when conquered.
>"Nuh uh, you can't point out the quirky demon race that is just CHA: The Character"
When was the last time you had a tiefling that didn't feel like a Tumblr OC?
9 months ago
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>When was the last time you had a tiefling that didn't feel like a Tumblr OC?
My part demonic rat/part scottish pop singer wife
9 months ago
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Like I said in literally the post you were quoting. The sin of making an edgy broodlord tiefling rogue with a secret heart of gold (aka everyone's first character). Does not erase the sin of picking a human being npc behavior.
My post is just 'two wrongs don't make a right', you cannot be failing to grasp what I was saying this badly.
9 months ago
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Hey, my first character was a bumbling moron tiefling rogue with a secret heart of gold!
>pic
Frick, that was my experience of proper long dnd campaign >be me, chill dwarf cleric with roleplay spells >everyone else are minmaxxing warlocks and shit tieflings with special one backstories
That's been my experience as well. Unfortunately the DnD community kind of fosters the sort of minmaxxing because DMs are mostly taught on how to create combat enounters. I've never had a good time bringing in a character with a good balance of roleplay and combat skills that fit my character because most DMs run games with heavy combat.
1. Lawful stupid is the 'accidentally a genocide' alignment. If it's supposed to be the 'le human male fighter' meme it should be neutral good
2. It should be elves and tieflings
3. Playing a human is npc behavior, pointing out the edgelord rogue tiefling sasuke trope doesn't absolve the former sin.
Also >Fighter in 5e
lol, lmao even.
>hoomans are boring
the most stupid thing a poseur can say
dnd is setting agnostic, so the interesting bits lie in mechanics
for mechanical convenience, lots of races are just not!humans, the most interesting thing you'll get is warforged or half-giant, but everything scales off the default human option for balance reasons
race's place in the setting depends on campaign proper, but in the same way that hack writers copypaste dwarves and elves without actually making them distinct in any way, playing a featherless biped with horns is hardly different from playing a regular (but still distinct from you) human
racial tensions aren't difficult to set up either, but something tells me the kinds of people who complain about the dullness of humans aren't too keen on playing out actual racial conflicts
American/ Californian Journalists are so fricking tiresome. The game is made by a Japanese game studio, not American but these journos automatically think they and all should adhere to their values and principals. Fricking cultural tyranny if I ever saw it.
Ultimately it's the men that take them seriously who are to blame. Women can b***h about videogames all they want but are never going to create a studio to do anything about it just nag, only if a man says yes to their moronic shit will anything change because they brought the change themselves. The problem is weak men who give in to women, white knights that want to prove themselves to women and simps who want to suck up to women.
Sometimes you just have to tell a woman no and all these men will throw men under the bus as a group first chance they get.
TLDR; women always nag about something but men don't have to listen.
You're looking at the end product. It's every part of life from childhood, fathers, husbands and friendships that leads to that outcome, many men failed in their roles in order to get to that point we are in now and continue to do so.
WarCraft III to be precise. The old concepts made the Night Elves even more savage and unique.
It's also more of an artstyle thing. The one in WCIII was still fine. It's when WoW took it in is where it went full moron over time.
its not only women fault, also israelites, boomers, but the biggest travesty are Marvel and capeshit, those fricking movies ruined everything even in video games, that's why you don't get serious RPG's anymore >you just murder someone, time for a joke
while the writing don't take itself serious, even in serious situations >the X city can be destroyed, well time to make a fart joke and break the fourth wall
In NWN2 if you were a tiefling or a drow people would constantly give you shit, attack you, or tell you to leave town. It was hilarious.
Does BG3 have this level of immersion for the player character.
. what's up with women and gays obsession with tieflings in fantasy games ? because they are demons ? or maybe because they are "independent" and frick the authorities type of characters? otherwise make no sense, everyone hate them or don't trust them in those settings.
>what's up with women and gays obsession with tieflings in fantasy games ? because they are demons ? or maybe because they are "independent" and frick the authorities type of characters? otherwise make no sense, everyone hate them or don't trust them in those settings.
Trannies in the DnD community loves them because they're seen as queer or some shit
Boomers were writing badass action films, Giallos, ultra violent comics like Heavy Metal and practically created the RPG genre. Boomers aren't to blame Boomers are awesome!
I'd argue it has more to do with customer demand than writers. There will always be writers for a genre. The current demand since at least the 2010s has been "safe" fantasy. The 90s were the peak of edginess. Give it a decade or two and we'll be right back there.
Based but I don't think it's entirely women's fault. More like liberals, both men and female. They need to push the agenda even in fiction, and even in fantasy fiction where it doesn't make sense, they find a way.
it is men's fault initially for ignoring the uncountable swathe of evidence from previous civilizations and giving women the right to vote.
There is a reason no successful civilization ever considered women "people" under the law.
I think one of the main reasons a lot of modern RPGs are like that (cringe neutered homogenized fantasy shit) is because of a narrative that's been prevalent among especially diversity hire devs as of late which is specifically about fantasy racism.
Basically, many modern writers despise fantasy racism because they had it hammered into them that racism = bad. So basically they do not want to portray dwarves that hate elves because that is racism and racism is bad. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes different races at odds with eachother interesting, as they just apply modern sensibitilities ontop of it that make no sense in the context.
The reason RPGs suck when lacking this factor is because the very core foundation of tolkien fantasy is fantasy racism. Orcs and goblins are hostile foreign beings that oppose humanity due to their nature. Look at OPs pic, it needs no further context to work other than the ogre is a brutish creature who hates humans and humans hate it, so it's already a conflict that just makes sense.
Then you have nu-fantasy games like those by bioware, modern warcraft lore, new DnD concepts that are basically >there is no more racism. Just because he's an ogre doesn't mean he's a certain way
which basically turns the entire setting into >everyone is humans that are physically different
which turns the entire setting into identity deviantart profile bio shit. Every single character is now a cool deviantart OC who is a tiefling but he's nothing like a stereotypical tiefling and he's not hated either he's just cool and special with no downsides 🙂
Dark fantasy is all about the world being threatening. The world can't be threatening in a progressive narrative, because that necessarily demands things be true, which contradicts progressivist relativism. The only way you can say that e.g., men are women, or ancient populations can be radically diverse, or women can be equal to men, is by rejecting truth itself. And you have to accept that some things are true and inviolable to make the world truly terrifying. That's how you get things like dark evil gods and eldritch horrors that cannot be reasoned with and cannot be fought; all you can do is run and hide, or fall to your knees and make your sacrifices and pray you are spared.
It's kind of ironic that D&D is so popular with this crowd, since the whole point of D&D was to design a system that forces constraints upon the characters through strict rules. But that's why they're removing more and more constraints from every newer iteration of D&D. No class restrictions, no alignment restrictions, no race restrictions; not even any stat restrictions in BG3. It won't be long until D&D is just interpretive dance. But I digress.
The problem is these people want to make political statements through video games but it's always the most shallow surface level message. There is no open mind, no exploration, no edgy side to it, it's not bold, it's afraid to offend. Imagine making a character who is a Black person hunter selling Black folk to israelites, and he is also a Black person. The devs and the suits would be afraid to be branded as racists and lose their jobs.
There is also this weird thing where people tend to attribute something from a product to the creator. If you make Hitler anything but a pathetic caricature, you are clearly a nazi. I wonder if people were always this moronic or if it's a new thing because social media gives platform to any loud moron, or for whatever other reasons.
Another symptom that I just can't get over is the language. Now I'm not expecting to be bombarded with thous and forsooths in every fantasy game, but the way the dialogue is written in modern RPGs so obviously reeks of current day urban language.
>I blame someone else instead of making dark fantasy games despite it being easier than ever
the homosexuals that blame muh women or thuh jooz are consumer NPCs that will never create, never achieve, never ascend. you're another drooling normie and the market moved away from you because you let it.
that ass is/was real. frazetta and his wife would pose for photos so he could then use them as reference in his art. HE was that buff, and she was a total smoking hot babe.
I thought the premise of Arx Fatalis was cool until it turns out all the civilizations were living underground for only a few years, I thought they were down there for like centuries
Any immersive, consisten setting games are dying (maybe the exception is söicore stuff like nu god of war, the last of us etc.). Modern gamerz want something more like a virtual space where they can self insert themselves instead of LARPing they are a barbarian or some shit in some fantasy setting.
>consistent setting games are dying
Larian games especially give me this feeling
it's like each location is just a setup for a gag, they're not designed to work as a part of a larger world
Dark fantasy != Bad things happen in a fantasy >Everything is bright and colorful >A lot of humour: Alexander asking to kick him, mogh and rykard funny voices, rennala is crazy in a kinda funny way. All this things were intentionally made to be at least a bit funny. Even enemies are made in a comical way, like mages masks. >No horror elements
These are not the only reasons this is not a dark fantasy, but it is enough. If anything its kind of a comedy. Definitely the most light hearted and humorous of souls games. People day in a horrible and sad ways in a dark comedies too, so it's not enough of a reason to think it's a dark fantasy.
Yeah well Elden Ring is still dark fantasy though regardless of wether there's a couple beautiful scenes or an NPC is funny. It's literally based on berserk just like souls games.
I think the arguments you've made for Elden Ring not being dark fantasy could be applied to berserk too, which is to say you're autistic and wrong, berserk is dark fantasy
How do you even define dark fantasy, though? Genre categories are very arbitrary and broad in definition. I agree that death and blood doesn't necessarily make it dark fantasy, which IMO is better defined by the use of "mature" themes that are not as common and tackled in traditional, epic fantasy. Although I would consider Dark Souls, and probably Elden Ring, as grimdark fantasy, which has less to do about its themes, but more about the state of the world and the setting, in its doomed state where everything you do is apparently pointless.
This. If anything dark fantasy has been the default fantasy setting in gaming for quite some time now. Before Souls games Dragon Age was the most popular / mainstream RPG setting as well. Even Final Fantasy is now going dark fantasy because of the popularity. Pathfinder and BG3 are the first time in ages that we get some budgeted high fantasy.
GRRM had very little impact other than putting dragons in a bunch of places. The meat of the game is very much still based on berserk, which is as traditional dark fantasy as it gets for japanese media.
The first story boss/villain in elden ring is literally a king who kills his subjects and grafts them onto his own body.
This. Half of the people ITT seem to think Conan is Lord of the Rings BUT DARK. Low fantasy is what's actually underrepresented, "Dark fantasy" has been the standard fantasy template since Dragon Age.
>five triple aaa/aa rpgs from the last five years
tyranny
pathfinder kingmaker and potr
divinity original sin 1-2
pillars of eternity 1-2
baldur's gate 3
can you list these strong lesbian black female characters? i haven't played both pathfinder games.
The negresses from uncharted
Parvati from Outer Worlds
Debra Wilson
uncharted isn't an rpg and the black chick is not gay. pavarti is neither black nor strong. debra wilson's wolfenstein character was straight and married to a white guy, and cere in fallen order was broken after cutting herself off from the force and (presumably) straight.
>uncharted isn't an rpg
I didn't really understood why you limited to RPGs so I decided to ignore it >and the black chick is not gay
Yes she is. >pavarti is neither black nor strong.
I don't really differentiate between what your mutt senses consider "black" or not and she is >Debra Wilson
She's in a lot of games, I'm sure she's gay in one of them
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>Yes she is.
No, she isn't. If she were, you would have more evidence to show for it instead of that cope screenshot. >I don't really differentiate between what your mutt senses consider "black" or not and she is
You can be feign indifference all you like but Blacks means Sub-Saharan African. Pavarti is not black, and that's obvious to anyone who isn't a face blind autist like yourself. >She's in a lot of games, I'm sure she's gay in one of them
Then it should be pretty easy to name one strong and lesbian character she's played.
9 months ago
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>you would have more evidence to show for it instead of that cope screenshot
Lmao, I can pick any screenshot. >Pavarti is not black, and that's obvious to anyone who isn't a face blind autist like yourself.
I'm sorry if I don't differentiate among the flavors of Black folk, I'm not one of you. >Then it should be pretty easy to name one strong and lesbian character she's played.
Addison Walker in Days Gone
9 months ago
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>I'm sorry if I don't differentiate among the flavors of Black folk, I'm not one of you.
Stop presenting your autism as a virtue. >Addison Walker in Days Gone
Day's Gone is not an rpg. You're 0 for 3.
9 months ago
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>Stop presenting your autism as a virtue.
Stop pretending one brown is different from the other >Day's Gone is not an rpg
Why does it need to be an RPG? Without it I'm 3 of 3
9 months ago
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>Stop pretending one brown is different from the other >what are historical and modern racial taxonomies
it has to be autism >Why does it need to be an RPG?
because the question literally asked for rpgs featuring "PROUD GAY BLACK WAMAN STRONG". fricking sped.
9 months ago
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>it has to be autism
It's spelled "racism" ubuntu >because the question literally asked for rpgs
But that doesn't make sense, the whole subject is about the prevalence of the strong black gay whamen, the abject peak of globohomo, why would you limit it to just rpgs?
9 months ago
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>It's spelled "racism" ubuntu
like I said, autism >why would you limit it to just rpgs?
because the anon I initially responded to claimed there's an overabundance of "strong black gay whamen" in rpgs specifically. I asked him to substantiate his claim but he couldn't. now I've been roped into a tedious engagement with a face blind, overcompensating Hispanic who desperately needs to work on his reading comprenhsion.
9 months ago
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>Noooooo! Racism is cringe!
Go back, homosexual. >I'm not brown, you're brown!
Pls have a nice day >I've been roped
Yes, like that
9 months ago
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>get thoroughly btfo >"k-kill y-yourself"
I humbly accept your concession.
9 months ago
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>I-i-i-i didn't get btfo! You did! >Noooooo! You can't tell me to kill myself! That's violence and almost as bad as le racism
Lmao, you really should have a nice day
>debra wilson's wolfenstein character was straight and married to a white guy
I can't believe even video games are encouraging black women to ignore black men and chase after privileged white dudes
>tyranny
No gay black women >pathfinder kingmaker and potr
Sosiel is a gay homie man portrayed as struggle with anger issues and immoral behaviour, Seelah is not gay or romanceable. Ekundayo is the only black companion in KM and he isn't gay, homie fricks a woman in his good ending and has children with her >divinity original sin 1-2
no black female npcs or companions in the first game, no gay black female npcs or companions in the second >pillars of eternity 1-2
Gay fish homies, the paladin chick is celibate. >baldur's gate 3
Wyll isn't a woman and is playersexual, if you don't frick him or Lae'zel they will frick each other.
You're baiting but that's kino as frick I'd play the frick out of a game like that, brevity is the soul of wit and nothings more straight to the point than swords and monsters
It's not dying so much as It's being murdered. Frank Frazetta and Tolkien understood the appeal of dark fantasy. With the exception of a few Japanese people, the majority of game devs can only give us castrated and circumcised versions of the genre because their minds are poisoned.
that image is people trying to recreate frazetta paintings, I think it was for some web competition
I can't remember which one this one was trying to reproduce
that image is people trying to recreate frazetta paintings, I think it was for some web competition
I can't remember which one this one was trying to reproduce
Man, this chick really is fantastic. Thin waste and phenomenally shaped ass
>schlubby dudes >fit, really hot chicks
Disgusting double standards, you feminist pig. The girls aren't any more fit than the guys, it's just you consider a girl to be "really hot" as long as she's not disastrously fat, while you expect a guy to perform rigorous exercise daily, otherwise he's some loathsome slob.
>girls aren't any more fit than the guys
They are tho, they're clearly in a lower level of body fat >it's just you consider a girl to be "really hot" as long as she's not disastrously fat
No, those are thin girls. I cana frick a hot chubby too, but these girls aren't it. >while you expect a guy to perform rigorous exercise daily, otherwise he's some loathsome slob.
Yes. Join a gym, fatso
the original, real chick behind his art was his wife. both of them would pose for photos, and then he would use them to do his art with, basically adding the fantasy shit atop it.
franks wife was a BABE.
I feel like there is something inherently wrong with most fantasy stuff and I can't exactly put my finger on it but it's like >Everything is self-aware and highly genre savvy >The world is incredibly generic and based partially or wholly off of DnD >Tons of "blue people" races running around >"Leather armor" >Modern sensibilities >Ugly art design that reminds of Blizzard games
Only a few things recently have broken this mold, Witcher games and Soulsborne come to mind
Part of the reason people like The Witcher is because it's not the modern world with a coat of paint.
The rest fall into place once you stop making your fantasy world our society.
Even if it is the draw and poison of the Shadowrun series. A Shadowrun FPS would rock.
>fantasy world isnt allowed to have shit that actually occurred in history >no gender roles >no blatant discrimination >no slavery >no caste systems >no brutality against the weak >no oppression by the strong >all of this and more is seen as "endorsing it" when the point is to either survive in such a world or commit to HEROISM and be a HERO by wrestling it into something more fair or just
>all of this and more is seen as "endorsing it"
I hate this with every fiber of my being. Portrayals of controversial topics are viewed as wholesale support if you don't preemptively get on the soapbox and shit on it 24/7.
Probably because the populace was raped of the ability to think critically, so they need to be spoon fed opinions.
>>The world is incredibly generic and based partially or wholly off of DnD
DnD was made by nerds who drew inspiration from a ton of different sources, including real world religions, mythology, and folk tales. Modern fantasy is made by nerds who drew inspiration from DnD and other things that drew inspiration from DnD.
Blizzard's design is just mass appeal in its most extreme form. Blizzard has a habit of taking something like Warhammer Fantasy and making it as bland and generic as humanly possible.
>but I'd consider it far above WoW
I mean, sure, but that's not a very high bar.
>WHF is pretty bland and generic to begin with
It's already miles ahead of anything else by having it's main human nation be a fantasy HRE instead of England/France
That's why I find it to be so bland. It's literally just medieval Europe but with some Tolkien stuff thrown in. I would've preferred a setting that is either fully historical, because real historical settings are always way better than anything fantasists can come up with, or have it lean in more into the fantastic. Basically I'd rather play a game with the real HRE than a bullshit version of it.
>Basically I'd rather play a game with the real HRE than a bullshit version of it.
That's kinda moronic. By that logic all fantasy is bad, just stick to history
ASoIaF is just medieval england, Tolkien northern europe.
Warhammer is historical factions and fantasies on crack. It's HRE has an Emperor that rides a giant gryphon and a engineer college that creates steampunk explosive gatling guns, if you can't appreciate that I can't imagine what you would
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>By that logic all fantasy is bad, just stick to history
Bingo, kinda. >ASoIaF is just medieval england
Westeros is a very terrible setting, was that your point?
You can't escape certain archetypes, this is true, but I appreciate an honest effort when you try to make it unique and your own, something that WHF never really attempted at. WHF is no more fantastic or diverse than Age of Empires. Yeah, some of the cultures are depicted as dinos or skellies, but I already mentioned that this is just the aesthetic aspect of it, the "gimmick" they use to sell the minis. And that's fine. But if you dig into the setting then it's nothing more than a poppy version of our own history. And in that case I'd rather just play something that *is* historical.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Bingo
Well, it's a moronic opinion and this is a fantasy thread, why are you here? >but I appreciate an honest effort when you try to make it unique and your own
Like what?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Fantasy lets you tell symbolic stories without muddling them with real concerns. You can go full-blackpill and laugh at the guy who gives his life to protect his family just so that his wife can go get fricked by a black guy. But you don't have that problem in fantasy. Your hero can sacrifice himself and his family lives happily ever after and then they are all rewarded in heaven or whatever. And then your symbolic tale, your behavioural guideline presented through metaphor remains clear.
>WHF is pretty bland and generic to begin with
It's already miles ahead of anything else by having it's main human nation be a fantasy HRE instead of England/France
WHF is probably the most interesting and diverse fantasy setting that exists. And all it really is is different human cultures interpreted as a moronic german would've imagined them. This being the kind of guy to whom sweden was a distant and mythical place. South america may as well have been on another planet and full of talking dinosaurs, for all he knows.
I dont think there is anything wrong with the basics being human, elf, dwarf and orc with fighters, clerics, rangers, ect even if these are now generic.
Its the worlds that are lame. They lack realism, gritty, awful realism. Modern fantasy doesnt ask; "what would sentient races with specific traits be like?" It says "lets have orcs, and they love conflict, but we cant put in anything too gruesome it would upset some people".
Well what Dark Fantasy games were there in the first place? I feel like video games for the PS1 gen onward completely skipped this trope because of the popularity of JRPG fantasy.
Is Elder Scrolls Dark Fantasy? That's the closest i can think of. Where are the barbarian, monsters and babes games?
Gay special snowflakes aside I also hate how "modern" fantasy looks now days. Everyone has jackets, overcoats, glasses, it's all so homosexual and ruins the medieval/early modern aesthetic
Glasses were not so rare in the early modern period though, they have been used as early as the reinassance, although their aesthetic was very different to the one that (I assume) irritates you
My problem with modern (especially high) fantasy is too much diversity (also known as freakshit, where you have entire parties where >50% of them are non-humans, and even races apart from dwarves/orcs/elves), anime superpowers and all the like
I blame Americans and especially D&D on that. The Witcher and Wheel of Time TV shows are a prime example of this
Drizzt Do'Urden was the start of the downfall of modern fantasy. When you can substitute making your character interesting for simply making them non-human, it was all over. Then it's just a race to the bottom to see who can make their character the LEAST human. fricking aasimar and tieflings walking around with butterfly wings and demon horns in the general population like it's no big deal these days.
Yeah I hate tieflings and the like. I don't mind it when randoms do it with their DnD characters, but this practice has long spread to mainstream fantasy media (games, tv series, even books) where characters are giving a set of "unique" traits (non-human, different race and other defining physical characteristics) to act as substitutes for an interesting personality or even backstory.
>dark fantasy >frazetta >all these anons not realizing this is a joke thread
https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/11/dont-hide-your-candle-under-a-bushel-mr-frazetta-nsfw/
Bait thread made me reply, Frick every homosexual who loves Frazetta. All of you are over 40 years old who work on dead end jobs and beat their wives on the daily. Hope you pieces of pastas choke on spaghetti you wanna be Wops. Frazetta didn't create shit neither was Conan comics they all copied porn novels that's all it really was back in the early 1900s novel comics where literally porn books. Don't believe me pal? Well suck on this puppet Ass cheeks! Bet you like sucking on your little Boss's Pecker!
>Bait thread made me reply, Frick every homosexual who loves Frazetta. All of you are over 40 years old who work on dead end jobs and beat their wives on the daily. Hope you pieces of pastas choke on spaghetti you wanna be Wops. Frazetta didn't create shit neither was Conan comics they all copied porn novels that's all it really was back in the early 1900s novel comics where literally porn books. Don't believe me pal? Well suck on this puppet Ass cheeks! Bet you like sucking on your little Boss's Pecker!
Croaker having sex with Lady and then being so smug about it that the day after he can't hide his shit-eating grin in front of the rest of the Company to the point it annoyed them all was 11/10
Bro got the right to be smug. Guy is a history nerd and physisian of some murderhobo squad. Gets a crush on the most evil creature in the world. Every sign is pretty much Even he admits its a complete joke and moronic fantasy. Then miraculously gets to bang her, and not even in some loveless scheme to get him to do something.
Hardmode: Their character arc has nothing to do with this fact and they remain chaste for the whole story
Impossible mode: it's a male character and that's a good thing
>Are dark fantasy videogames dying?
i'm still working on my magnum opus
going on 3 years now and nowhere near finished. but if and when i do, i'll have some dark fantasy adventure KINO for (You).
Can someone help me remember a game? I played it when I was 10. I think it was on PS2. It was an RPG hack and slash made by a western company. The game starts with you being a prisoner and a mask gets put on you and then they throw you down a pit into a sewer. I remember the mask was an important story part. It was like a black leather mask that had holes for eyes and mouth. The first level was a sewer and then I think there was like a goblin village afterwards. I never made it past that but I would like to replay it, but I can’t remember what it was called. Something something mighty heroes or something.
Holy cow. Thanks so much. I remember my brother was a huge jrpg nerd and hated constantly on this game because it was a western game. Now I have to find out how I can replay it. Thanks so much.
>check the Playboy magazines with video game girls >Virtual women showing breasts or going full nude was marketed as "Games Growing Up" >main story is Donald Trump interview (kek)
somebody robbed us of the correct timeline
>dark fantasy
Isn't this called Sword & Sorcery?
But yeah, I miss this aesthetic very much. Good old 80's Saturday morning cartoons. Modern fantasy looks awful.
It's not just about scale either. Sword & Sorcery is about larger than life heroic figures. It's supposed to feel mythological. Dark fantasy tends to be more on the misery porn side of things.Or at the very least it's Horror but with swords, to simplify it (as Horror could often be described as Urban Fantasy).
There are elric stories where you could change the names of the locations they visit and stuff like the chaos lords to mitra and set and it would basically read like a conan story.
Sword and sorcery is synonymous with sword and sandal, it's a subgenre if fantasy but you'll usually find it in setting that use iron-age or approximate eras.
Dark Sun and Conan being tow.of.the most famous examples.
Man, I used to fap to these in the old Conan books. My favorite was the queen of the black seas or something. I tried to read the story but kept jacking it to the pictures and never made it past when she gave herself to Conan after he defeats her warriors.
I will be playing two new dark fantasy releases in quick succession: Diablo 4 and Blasphemous 2. You may hate both for whatever reason but they are legit dark fantasy settings.
>people think souls or elden ring are dark fantasy
am I getting baited
they are apocalyptic fantasy
same goes for bloodborne
however sekiro is an actual dark fantasy game
These things arent mutually exclusive. Yeah they're set in post-apoc settings when you investigate the lore, but it's still dark fantasy. Nothing says medieval dark fantasy can't be post-apocalyptical, it's infact pretty common because having a functional world filled with normal people is at odds with the concept of dark fantasy inherently
they are nearly always mutually exclusive but I'm going to keep it to fromsoft content in this post
in souls and elden ring like nearly all apocalyptic fantasy the world used to be good but it is now bad, because it is facing its end
the world isn't "alive", it's stagnated and/or dying - much of nothing is happening, or will happen - ever again (outside of the player character's actions and consequences of those actions)
in dark fantasy the world is not ending, it might have been better before, but it is not ending
the world isn't dying, it's just all grimdark and gritty by nature - history marches on under that cover of darkness and suffering
it's a fricking shit world to live in, but it is a world that is explicitly alive and thriving
>in dark fantasy the world is not ending, it might have been better before, but it is not ending
completely made up assessment and not a part of the definition of dark fantasy in any way whatsoever
I heard there's an elric RPG in development by the people who are making the hellboy game. I hope it's an actual RPG with choices and stats and not just a clone of the witcher or other modern not an rpg goyslop.
Old fantasy was based on history/mythology. It was marketed as "action" or "adventure"
Modern fantasy is based on other fantasy which is based on other fantasy. They do things that other fantasy does because they feel like thats whats expected of them, not because they feel like it would make a good story. Fricking everything has to have gay elves throwing lightningbolts around
>Fricking everything has to have gay elves throwing lightningbolts around
lol you clearly havent seen any modern fantasy
it's all Black folk and trannies, not "elves throwing lightning bolts"
its nig and troony elves throwing lightning bolts around, and for a decade before that it was still boring as frick seeing white gay elves throwing lightning bolts around
What I like about high fantast is that the good guys can be as strong as or stronger than the bad guys. In dark fantasy, the bad guy is always some borderline invincible thing that you can only barely defeat because of countless desperate choices. In high fantasy, your knight can face-down the demon and beat him in a fair fight.
Downside to that, is that the rules similarly allow for the moronic wheelchair-rolling troony hafling cook can do the same thing, and then everyone claps because it's so le heckin' wholesome and funny.
Ultimately, it comes down to your group. You can play a serious D&D campaign in a serious setting where everything isn't a joke. PS:T gets mentioned constantly, and though it's a game that I'd say has teenagers as its target audience, and it has some arguably comedic characters, it's still a serious game. You talk to Dak'kon, and you reach the end of his conversation chain and you realize that guy is a character straight out of a dark fantasy story. Conan would've liked that guy. Conan would fricking murder on sight most the characters in D&D games now, because they so violently radiate unstable psychopath. And of course, Dak'kon does this whole also being a "subversion" (a member of an extremely chaotic race, who is extremely lawful, although they retconned them to be lawful because modern writers are moronic homosexuals), proving that - as if proof was necessary - that subversions aren't automatically moronic garbage.
I think its crazy when people ITT say that we have dark fantasy today. We dont really. When I think "dark fantasy" I think of something that presents brutal and harsh elements of the world, like slavery, hierarchy, tribal raiding, sexual voluptuousness. maybe i'm wrong but i think dark fantasy is defined by not being afraid of "bad" morals. almost all modern fantasy IS afraid of it.
I think a big issue is that it's not really something that has ever really existed outside of books and that people tend to confuse it for sword and sorcery like Conan because that's the most "bad" fantasy setting they have been exposed
Granted, he's nearly dead and the only the only survivor of a battle between Aesir and Vanir and she appears for the sole purpose of tormenting the dying. She narrowly avoids her comeuppance, but not before getting two of her giant brothers killed.
I think a big issue is that it's not really something that has ever really existed outside of books and that people tend to confuse it for sword and sorcery like Conan because that's the most "bad" fantasy setting they have been exposed
"Dark fantasy" isn't a coherently defined genre. It basically encapsulates everything that involves even 10% of the topics you mentioned. You can take any bog-standard fantasy add a "but the elves enslave humans" and it'll be considered "dark fantasy" by the vast majority of people.
Sword and Sorcery or "low fantasy" are much more well-defined genres, on the other hand and give a better understanding of what you can expect going in. Conan could technically be considered dark fantasy, but so could a thousand other settings: so what's the point in even applying the term?
low fantasy and high fantasy have actual hard definitions, dark fantasy is just a vibe and themes as you said. The point is to point out the vibe it gives which most people generally agree on. You won't find anyone that tells you dark souls and diablo arent generally pretty dark and grim, hence dark fantasy works at a label, but monster hunter doesn't really give off that vibe at all hence nobody describing it that way
these sorts of things are scary for autists like the guy screeching that souls games arent dark fantasy in here, I guess
Conan is 100% dark fantasy. The world is a dangerous place and it wants to destroy you, and you only survive through the strength of sword arm. I think that is the defining element of "dark fantasy". The world is out to get you.
'Light' fantasy, it's usually the other way around. The world - the natural order of things - actually wants to protect you, but some dark force is threatening to upset the proper balance. LOTR is a pretty good example, but so is almost any fantasy where the chosen one is prophesied to defeat the dark lord. The world wants him to succeed. Where in dark fantasy, the world wants him to fail (or, it doesn't care at all).
Ok, then tell me this: is the Elder Scrolls dark fantasy to you and why/why not?
To me both Conan and Elder Scrolls are "dark" on paper. Even though the settings are so incredibly far apart from each other in terms of vibe - they both touch upon themes (racism, genocide, slavery, etc) other, lighter, settings would never entertain.
I understand what you're getting at: but the precise issue is that if someone tells me something is "dark fantasy" - I have literally no idea what vibe they're describing. Careless world, to me, at least feels closer to a low fantasy setting, rather than something that is necessarily "dark" in tone.
Dragon Age: Origins is an example of a high fantasy setting that's obviously dark. It's so dark that probably the end of the world is just around the corner and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it.
>the world is just around the corner and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it.
You stopped it though?
9 months ago
Anonymous
The darkspawn are still down there in the tunnels in infinite numbers just waiting to burst forth for inscrutable reasons.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yes but this Blight was another failure, and if you impregnate Morrigan you didn't even need to die to achieve victory
Maybe one day the world of men would fall but it was not this day
9 months ago
Anonymous
DAO gets a lot of shit for being BG2 and it's gay fanbase but frick me if rallying the troops and the companions to fight the monstrous horde as your soldiers cheer you on wasn't some of the greatest shit in vidya >Let's show them our hearts and then ,show them theirs!
9 months ago
Anonymous
who tf shittalks Orgins? It's a completely different beast from the corrupt trash that befell Bioware afterwards.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>who tf shittalks Orgins?
Villains, anon
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lefties hate DA:O because they think characters are transphobic even though no one knew what a troony was in 2009 or during the 4-5 years of development the game had.
9 months ago
Anonymous
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
A legitimate question
I don't see it as transphobic. That being said all of Qunari culture is fricked besides how they handle mages.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't see it as transphobic
Why would it matter if it was
9 months ago
Anonymous
It had its own set of complaints before bioware went to total shit. Mostly gameplay related though, the game had some nonsensical balance at points
Conan is 100% dark fantasy. The world is a dangerous place and it wants to destroy you, and you only survive through the strength of sword arm. I think that is the defining element of "dark fantasy". The world is out to get you.
'Light' fantasy, it's usually the other way around. The world - the natural order of things - actually wants to protect you, but some dark force is threatening to upset the proper balance. LOTR is a pretty good example, but so is almost any fantasy where the chosen one is prophesied to defeat the dark lord. The world wants him to succeed. Where in dark fantasy, the world wants him to fail (or, it doesn't care at all).
"Dark fantasy" on Ganker means Sword and Sorcery (they dont know what that is) art work where men where men and women were women and gays didn't exist.
"Dark fantasy" doesn't mean anything. Its just conservatives hating new things.
How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game until the final boss seems massively difficult despite being far weaker than even the tutorial enemies?
Assume this gameplay mechanic is backed by a good narrative on why things turn out this way.
>How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game
I wouldn't. Taking power away from the player sounds interesting on paper but feels awful in practice, even when done in extreme moderation.
It could (possibly) work for a narrative game where moment-to-moment mechanics are maybe 20% of the overall experience, but I definitely wouldn't center a gameplay-first game around this gimmick.
Increasing levels doesn't just make you more powerful, it (or, it should) increases the complexity of the gameplay, by giving you more tools So as you progress, you naturally grow used to the simpler parts of the game by the time more complex parts are introduced. Doing it the other way around would be a horrible experience.
>How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game until the final boss seems massively difficult despite being far weaker than even the tutorial enemies?
It could absolutely work, if there was a big reward at the end. Players will do anything for a reward. it could be a game mode. And winning it would make your character stronger in, say, a new game plus mode or some other game mode.
another way to do it is to have the character be a powerful warrior, and then get weaker and transition into a powerful wizard half way, then they get weaker again and then they get the powers of a wizard and a warrior at the end of the game. Not exactly what you are saying but close.
>but all those games everyone widely agrees are dark fantasy games do not fit MY very own definition of dark fantasy that I just made up right now so they don't count
actual autism
We need another berserk to invigorate the japs
Image is mfw yoko taro is too busy having sex with children to make a proper sequel to murdermcmurderface's game
People in general just don't like dark fantasy because it gets to be too much. Look at how much people are currently b***hing about FFXVI because the ending is too uncertain/bleak instead of being happy. Also if you make things way too grim without any kind of levity or hope, it becomes hard to care at all.
>the skellige queen >the skellige swordfighting champion woman >the horse riding champion is a woman in skellige >shieldmaidens in the skellige army >why yes chud, I am a ship captain AND a woman >Ciri >the fist fighter in the vampire dlc
and many, many more
The elf woman who you save from being harassed and she turns on you saying sarcastically >"did you think I was going to suck you off? Be so grateful that I'd be on my knees thanking you ever so kindly? I can take care of myself I didn't need your help now piss off" ok she didnt use those exact words but you get the point she was being STRONG FEMALE ME DONT NEED NO MAN GIRL POWER it was completely out of place
>garbage isekai manga
Black person you clearly didn't even read a singIe chapter if you think it's an isekai. I still fully expect the game to be shovelware THOUGH
Souls is popular
People always say "this is dead" but post some actual dark fantasy videogames. Does Blasphemous or Path of Exile count?
Series like Might and Magic were way more creative than most modern games and honestly, I think that's what most people mean. They want games that were like the old ones.
Complete and finished experiences.
Wizardry was a western staple but nobody remembers it anymore. It's probably somewhat known in Japan.
But both M&M and Wizardry are dead
Ultima is also gone. The industry is ruled by analysts nowadays not creators.
It's kinda funny reading through this thread and seeing how many people just think dark fantasy means low fantasy even though you can have a dark high fantasy setting
It is cause of gay troony pandering and mainstream appeals. That which belongs to everyone is often valued by almost nobody.
By the way, the image I included may not be entirely "dark fantasy" but Clyde Caldwell did a great job with fantasy illustrations that really inspire adventure. When I was a preteen looking through my brother's 2nd Edition AD&D supplemental books, I saw this image and wanted to jump in, kill the orcs, and then get rewarded by the princess with her allowing me to do freaky hentai things to her body.
No, he draws white women getting fricked by black men. And the thread is full of /misc/tards going "vgh, we need to go back." just think about how stupid this looks.
I'd like to see a game that's basically a frick you to 40k, Dark Souls, and all other "Le heckin MANLY and EDGY" fantasy worlds
It's about introducing hope and actual opportunity to a perpetually stuck grimdark world that thrives off of violence, chaos, despair, and outright treachery. You do stuff like cleaning up the filth everywhere so people don't get sick so much, introducing more magic and knowledge so people have greater context of the world around them, give them better clothes so they don't freeze, and so on and so forth.
You actively work to make it better by getting rid of the people who make it worse, not by being a fricking moron with an IQ of 60
9 months ago
Anonymous
The pharma industry has your back. They are hard at work selling drugs and surgeries to sterilize insane far left transtrenders, wiping them out of the genepool. It's just the hippie activists trying to indoctrinate everyone else that you have to worry about now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Frick you're right. They're literally selling HRT to the mentally ill so they cleanse themselves from the gene pool
9 months ago
Anonymous
I wish that were the case but the vast majority of these transhomosexuals are literally the result of the pesticide and plastic industries massively polluting the entire world with endocrine disruptors so this really isn't a matter of natural selection. There will be more and more of them no matter what for decades to come.
We got rid of the vast majority of the homosexuals dozens of thousands of years ago. This is quite clearly a new phenomenon.
You actively work to make it better by getting rid of the people who make it worse, not by being a fricking moron with an IQ of 60
Makes me think of this anecdote from one of those UN guys in africa. >help african dude set up farm and bakery so he can grow crops and bake them into bread >guys enterprise is successful and he makes enough money to make his business sustainable and growing >elders related to him find out and come ask him to give him all their shit because he has so much more than them so they should have it >he does because he has no other choice >can't sustain his business anymore, is set back to square 0 pre-UN aid
there were lots of similar stories, like how they'd help women set up businesses, they'd be successful, and even inevitably the women would just get robbed by some random criminals since there were no cops to prevent it or the cops were in on it
it's impossible to work to make things better without first identifying and stopping that make it impossible to actually make things better. or, well, maybe not impossible. "futile" more like.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, this is blacks 101. This can literally be witnessed at any time in any country that has africans in it.
Go to any black neighborhood in the US and you'll see the exact same stories. If the percentage of morons is higher than extreme minority they will destroy whatever the smart ones build because it takes lots of time and efforts to build and it's very easy to destroy.
And this isn't accomplishing that. To give people a chance you need to convince them to listen to you, and then you need to isolate yourself from all the people who won't listen to avoid parasites. Unless you're willing to do at least both of those, you're not helping anyone.
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Why did humankind not progress beyond caveman times by your reasoning?
>Why did humankind not progress beyond caveman times by your reasoning?
What do you think, man? At some point, some people were like "no, you DON'T get to just do what you want". I imagine this happened pretty fast, actually. Since no pre-modern group can survive for even a single generation if this isn't strictly enforced.
i really wish there had been at least one good fantasy game set in immediate post-Roman Britain but with magic and monsters and so on (in the context of the period of course)
Sounds cool and I’d definitely play it, but the larger audiences don’t know or care about any of that history these days. It would be a hard sell to a publishing company.
That is not Dark Fantasy, that is Sword & Sorcery. You already have your dark fantasy tripe with Warhammer 40K.
And if a game in a Sword & Sorcery setting did come out today you b***hhomosexual Black folk will be up at arms in your pearlclutching incel behaviors crying about le israelites pushing degeneracy pushing ever more strange fetishes, and WEG paying companies that pander to weird fetishes. Have you fricking read the Conanbooks or read the comics? We're talking about settings here where people are having temple orgies, ACTUAL bestial sex, and women fricking statues with penises to the fertility goddess Ishtar, Jhebbal-Sag the god of the hunt turning into all manner of animals from deers to tigers to have sex with female animals to make half-breed weremonsters, sacrifice orgies to nearly 80% of all gods, witches/sorceresses fricking demons to bind them to her will or gain magical/hellish powers, women going into the Black Kingdoms to get sex partners, and old fart sorcerers sacrificing 1000 newborns to seek the approval of particular gods to gain magical prowess and acted in accordance to them like clerics. And yes it was all presented in a good light because the gods were in approval and were granting these powers in according to what the people were doing and for them.
We just had a fricking game where /misc/lyps started screaming about a polymorph Bear sex scene.
Dark fantasy is not dying and annoyingly prevalent.
Why can't I just have a video game world that's comfortable to live in? Nah it always as to be the most grimdark garbage so the creators can hide their hackyness.
>Dark fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literary, artistic, and cinematic works that incorporate disturbing and frightening themes of fantasy. It often combines fantasy with elements of horror or has a gloomy dark tone or a sense of horror and dread.
that's what wikipedia it says it is
>Doesn't SoulsbornElden count as dark fantasy?
It does, of course.
You barely ever see regular fantasy anymore like Heroes of Might & Magic or King's Bounty The Legend. Everything always has to be sick, dying, disturbing and depressing.
Souls and Elden Ring are high/epic dark fantasy games. Bloodborne is a dark fantasy, cosmic/gothic horror (as in, the fantasy subgenre) game, Sekiro is low fantasy, for the most part.
Dark fantasy is probably the most poorly defined subgenre of fantasy out there tbh
It's telling that I wrote a story about people literally fighting for their lives against the embodiment of the void and yet it's still less grimdark than your average fantasy world if only because it's a world built off of genuine personal bonds in times of crisis.
The ONLY good fantasy is Nobledark Fantasy ala Warhammer Fantasy, where the world is bleak, life is hard, Chaos runs rampant, and mutated beastmen from goatmen to ratmen dwell within the darkest places within the world, but a light is beaming within the heart of the humanlands, and chivalry/faith isn't dead but a way to stamp out evil.
Frick you Black folk liking Sword&Sorcery and frick that absolute Grimdark homosexualry of Warhammer 40K.
Yes, and they're bizarrely being replaced by gay pride parade fanfiction cringe fantasy. I blame women
>gay pride parade fanfiction cringe fantasy
spot on
can't believe how much modern RPGs focus on romance, bi characters and having homosexuals left and right instead of adventuring and cool quest design.
You dont have to do those if you dont want. Youre making mountains out of molehills.
This, unironically. Glad I not the only one to notice it. I personally I put the blame on Dragon Age Origins, but I feel Baldur Gate 2 is also to blame for the state of RPGs currently. As for Dark Fantasy Videogames dying its hard to tell. The only big ones from recent memory would be Witcher and FromSoft Games. Battle Brothers also fits the dark/low/heroic fantasy genre pretty well but its an indie Xcom/M&B mash. Any other recent Action Dark Fantasy games?
>Battle Brothers
goddamn i love that setting and the writing of the game in general.
DAO has one “gay” guy whos rife with personal issues and is killable several times in the story. The other is also killable, many times in the story was also a former assassin.
its a dating sim, like all recent troony shit
>Dragon Age Origins
But Dragon Age Origins was peak dark fantasy ? Having an homosexual psychopath you could just kill on sight isn't a LGBT circus
The issue was not that they had a gay in it, it is that, like with Mass Effect, Bioware pushed relationship bullshit too hard in the game. DAO was where it was starting to stray from the dark fantasy path to the CW relationship fantasy path.
I feel DAO is unfairly maligned for that, BG2 had it too, DAO just had it with better technology
The problem is that both devs and fans of Bioware games (and later all RPGs) started being more and more women and homosexuals, who literally don't care about anything except their VN romance
And this isn't sn exaggeration, literally go to any discussion about Dragon Age or RPGs in a gay mainstream website snd you'll find many, many comments to the tune of "I don't really care about gameplay, I play it for the writing snd characters (i.e. the romances)
Dark & Darker, but it's likely dead.
Good. Frick (forced) MP games.
>my only argument for hating it is it being popular
classic Gankerermin single digit age contrarians
Good, streamer/YouTuber bait the game, it’s obvious developers literally make this shit to target react content, devs got what they deserve
I'd love to play this if it wasn't tarkovslop
This. Frick that streamer/fomo/BR piece of shit game.
Skill issue
This would be completely uninteresting if it wasn't tarkov
>Battle Brothers also fits the dark/low/heroic fantasy genre pretty well
Yeah but it's stuck behind absolute dogshit RNG '''gameplay'''
This shit started definitely with BG2. God, I hate it so much. I don't want to play a fricking dating sim, I want to kill ugly monsters and find cool shit.
Since you indirectly brought up tactical rpg like games, does anyone else agree that RNG is inherently flawed in such a context?
Like imagine if you took those stats and made it so the player knows exactly what will happen if they make their unit go up against three guys?
Dmg > how much damage you'll do
Eva > flat reduces a percentage of enemy dmg
Acc > flatly removes enemy evasion
Def > Dmg threshold, anything under it deals no dmg
Crit > At certain thresholds doubles dmg, raised by using effective weaponry or certain special weapons.
CritAvo > Lowers enemy crit
Spd > decides who attacks first in a clash and nothing more
dodgy characters would be able to avoid almost all dmg from low acc but high dmg characters, but they can't solo armies. high def characters can actually zone out most enemy types except high dmg fast characters, acc characters hard counter fast dodgy types.
>does anyone else agree that RNG is inherently flawed in such a context?
No, because in your example you are making a deterministic system which will lead to combat being more about min/maxing your moves and actions which will lead to more puzzle-like encounters rather than something that feels like actual combat. You can easily observe this in a game like Panzer Corp 2 where you have a slider for how little or much RNG you want in the combat rolls. With zero RNG it becomes a full blown puzzle game and loses all feel of being a WW2 wargame. With medium amount of RNG it feels like an actual tactics game.
Wow, I was expecting to just get called a homosexual, but that's a pretty fair critique.
RNG introduces risks and reward, no RNG = the game is chess with different rules (unless it's based on skill and reflexes)
What if the RNG was a seed system that modified unit compositions (within reason) of each map. So while the unit strengths would be static (barring equipment/tier up modifications) The actual "puzzle" of the ideal actions could be different each time because where there could be a squad of archers, there could be a single mage instead.
Another thing I had thought of (for a more sci fi like setting) would be where the player themselves are only allowed a few actions per turn to directly modify the actions of 4 AI controlled squads to complete a mission. The gimmick would be that each squad has their reputation system with the others and this would modify how much the squads would work together or care about friendly fire. The 4th squad would be the strongest but their unique gimmick is that they treat everyone, including the other 3 squads as hostiles, even when controlled by the player, the other squads will be highlighted in red and be hidden in the FOW.
Naturally, the missions themselves would be designed to be too difficult for any one squad to complete on their own. So the actual strategy will be the player trying to use the unique strengths of each squad while ensuring they do not meet during the mission. The AI would be programmed to utilize environmental effects and destructible elements to try to force the player's squads to meet or catch each other in the crossfire.
WotR is this and it's surreal.
If Kingmaker is a theatre play, Wrath of the Righteous is the gay themed musical parody of that.
Kingmaker was also cringe, I guess I'm glad I skipped Wrath
? There is one lesbian couple, one gay guy and the companions are mostly playersexual (except the gay guy and cam and lann who are straight).
Three gay people is a homosexual gay pride parade musical parody?
yes
Unironic snowflake behaviour
monkeypox scarred hands typed this post
Interesting how first it's "ohh I just want muh adventure and gameplay and not romance bullshit" but then transforms into "We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames" once the nazi is questioned. Very interesting.
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames"
Yes.
>Say you are from Reddit, without saying it.
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Well if we're gonna have sexuality it might as well be hetero
This. Any gay content could have been more straight content.
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes. We need to go back to better times.
nta but
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes
Literally nothing is gained by adding homosexuals to it
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
>not wanting to see gay homosexuals
>REEE nazi
You deserve to have your children raped by gay Black folk
>erm akchually you need to be more specific
99% of you homosexuals believe in many ideas of nazizm, don't pretend like you're that different.
nazism*
>99% of you homosexuals believe in many ideas of nazizm
Yes, only Nazis disliked homosexuals
Weren't the israelites good buddies with this guy?
so good that he relocated them all to siberia
It's alleged that Stalin was planning purging israelites from Soviet Union, but we'll never know if those documents are real.
Staling also factually did make Soviet Union more morally reactionary - like it is often forgotten that Stalin banned abortion in 1936 - but most of that was instantly rolled back by Khrushchev once he came to power and started dismantling Stalin's legacy.
This guy had no buddies. He was a clinically paranoic and killed absolutely everybody. The israelites did a huge part in the rise of marxism and communism though. That alone means Hitler was right.
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
We can keep gays in there. They can be sniveling dishonest and self centered side characters that are meant to represent the weak aspects of human nature people should never fall into
Sounds like how Fallout 2 was going to do the gay settlement until the devs b***hed out and didn't include it. I'm sure Tim Cain put a stop to it before he left development, which is unfortunate because it would have made Fallout 2's world decent.
> We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes.
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Yes
>Interesting how first it's "ohh I just want muh adventure and gameplay and not romance bullshit" but then transforms into "We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames" once the nazi is questioned. Very interesting.
Yes
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
yeah
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
Suddenly subverting a genuine concern to get what you REALLY want isn't okay when you're not the one doing it, homosexual?
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality from videogames
I'm from Baltimore so one gay is ok.
Yes, that is exactly what I want. How is that so difficult for you to understand considering it's what people like who are like minded have been telling you homosexuals for 3 decades now.
How the frick are you this dense to not know what vidya players want?
>We should remove anything but heterosexuality
There's no need to specify "from videogames"
Also, there are literally billions of muslim and africans who want to kill homosexual. There are way way waaaaaaaay more numerous than the Nazi every were, even at peak Nazism. Let alone nowaday.
Very ironic considering your both gay and israeli, Harold.
bro you sound vaccinated as hell
yes
>Three gay people is a homosexual gay pride parade musical parody?
Yes, much like real life, the appropriate number to have is zero.
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sneed and also dilate
Yep modern fantasy is just modernity with a costume and all the social mores/comforts of a college town filled with painfully middle class Uni students. You need only look at wheelchair accessible dungeons to understand the genre has become a parody of itself. The Onion must have run out of material at this point.
Well put
you can thank Tetsuya Nomura for that
That homosexual certainly didn't help. At the very least he dug a gigantic emo/homosexualry pit for Final Fantasy that it's only now starting to climb out of.
>morons who didn't play the amano games that had men with lipstick and dressed in Joseph's technicolor wardrobe
I hate you fricking underage so much.
>talking shit about amano
What a tasteless homosexual you are
Because amano was well known for drawing plain men in a normal outfit with montone colors, right anon?
Yes, people have begun to associate anything dark with edge. We also just don't have the same number of good writer's that we used to.
you are gay and moronic.
>Nomura
Lol no. It was Bioware with Mass Effect and Dragon Age that popularized this shit. You could tell they cared more about having gay romance options that making good games.
In NWN2 if you were a tiefling or a drow people would constantly give you shit, attack you, or tell you to leave town. It was hilarious.
Does BG3 have this level of immersion for the player character.
Not really, it's kind of there but as far as I can tell Tieflings aren't that discrimated. At the start there's a druid grove with a group of tieflings and the leader seems to hate them as they would normally be hated in more sensible settings but over all they're just another flavor of human these days. Same with any race, it's not just the inherent politics behind the current political zeitgeist gripping the medium it's also because players expect to be treated like the chosen one. Drow should be KoS but all you get is mild comments. BG3 is a good attempt but there's definite wokeness there that overshadows it occasionally.
Not unexpected, what with Wizards doubling down of homosexualry, but it's what I feared all the same.
>Drow should be KoS but all you get is mild comments
It's kinda shit how race never really matters in games
And that's why EverQuest is based as frick playing an evil race who is kos by the good races everywehre was scary and thrilling
1. Lawful stupid is the 'accidentally a genocide' alignment. If it's supposed to be the 'le human male fighter' meme it should be neutral good
2. It should be elves and tieflings
3. Playing a human is npc behavior, pointing out the edgelord rogue tiefling sasuke trope doesn't absolve the former sin.
Also
>Fighter in 5e
lol, lmao even.
>Lawful stupid is the 'accidentally a genocide' alignment.
Nothing accidental about it, it's "yes, I killed them all and I hope they burn in hell."
Based Gary's LG poster. So unapologetically draconian it even freaked out the fanboying grogs in the Q&A.
Every time someone posts one of his posts he sounds phenomenally based and cool
It's just sad that we live in a world where you can build something great for you and your peers and it can be hijacked by the greediest israelites and deturped into an abomination with little resemblance to the original
>no look at what Gary "genocide of innocent women and children can be lawful good" Gygax says here
Lol, Gary Gaysex is a meme and a cuck simp who doesn't understand or follow his own shit
the entire schtick of "lawful" is whatever you're doing is in tight accordance to some creed or code
So if the law says you have to rape 5 women a day, what word would you use to describe the law?
"lawful"
>oh yeah what if i make up a law that doesn't exist either IRL or in game? checkmate
you are a homosexual
>make up setting for campaign
>fine
>make up laws for setting
>fine
>make up previous non-existing law that magic fire users must register with king fuzzynuts
>fine
>make up other law that I dont want to have to think about
>reeeee u gay
Low IQ
>orc babies and females
>women and children
You are what's wrong with modern RPGs.
Gaysex wasn't talking about orcs when he said that you dumb Black person, he was talking about humans. Specifically referencing bronze age behavior that various groups would do to each other when conquered.
>3. Playing a human is npc behavior
As opposed to tiefling?
Did you literally just not read the second half of the sentence you just quoted?
>"Nuh uh, you can't point out the quirky demon race that is just CHA: The Character"
When was the last time you had a tiefling that didn't feel like a Tumblr OC?
>When was the last time you had a tiefling that didn't feel like a Tumblr OC?
My part demonic rat/part scottish pop singer wife
Like I said in literally the post you were quoting. The sin of making an edgy broodlord tiefling rogue with a secret heart of gold (aka everyone's first character). Does not erase the sin of picking a human being npc behavior.
My post is just 'two wrongs don't make a right', you cannot be failing to grasp what I was saying this badly.
Hey, my first character was a bumbling moron tiefling rogue with a secret heart of gold!
troonypost
What a homosexual holy shit, never go outside
5e is easy regardless of class.
>but muh meta
It's a pen and paper RPG with your friends.
1. You don't understand Gygaxian alignment
2.
>pic
Frick, that was my experience of proper long dnd campaign
>be me, chill dwarf cleric with roleplay spells
>everyone else are minmaxxing warlocks and shit tieflings with special one backstories
That's been my experience as well. Unfortunately the DnD community kind of fosters the sort of minmaxxing because DMs are mostly taught on how to create combat enounters. I've never had a good time bringing in a character with a good balance of roleplay and combat skills that fit my character because most DMs run games with heavy combat.
>hoomans are boring
the most stupid thing a poseur can say
dnd is setting agnostic, so the interesting bits lie in mechanics
for mechanical convenience, lots of races are just not!humans, the most interesting thing you'll get is warforged or half-giant, but everything scales off the default human option for balance reasons
race's place in the setting depends on campaign proper, but in the same way that hack writers copypaste dwarves and elves without actually making them distinct in any way, playing a featherless biped with horns is hardly different from playing a regular (but still distinct from you) human
racial tensions aren't difficult to set up either, but something tells me the kinds of people who complain about the dullness of humans aren't too keen on playing out actual racial conflicts
A WHITE HUMAN MALE!?!?!
That's clearly Bradley Cooper
American/ Californian Journalists are so fricking tiresome. The game is made by a Japanese game studio, not American but these journos automatically think they and all should adhere to their values and principals. Fricking cultural tyranny if I ever saw it.
How is burning down a tavern full of Tieflings not a Lawful Good act?
>Does BG3 have this level of immersion for the player character.
the worst they will do in BG3 is not look at you in the eye
>larian
>immersion
heh
>In NWN2 if you were a tiefling or a drow people would constantly give you shit, attack you, or tell you to leave town. It was hilarious.
NWN2 OC? I thought it was ridiculous to play anything other than human or elf so I never saw any of this.
>I blame women
bluepilled npc
>I blame women
Women have no agency. Usually they're just parroting a Weinstein looking shitbag who is whispering insanity in their ears 24/7.
That's the problem, if women didn't repeat the agitprop uncritically we wouldn't be here
It's their nature. Can't blame them too much.
Granted, I suppose you could also say evil is the nature of israelites, but we actually need women.
Misogynistic and antisemtic!
Wow anon, you must be really popular with the ladies and very mentally sane!
Ultimately it's the men that take them seriously who are to blame. Women can b***h about videogames all they want but are never going to create a studio to do anything about it just nag, only if a man says yes to their moronic shit will anything change because they brought the change themselves. The problem is weak men who give in to women, white knights that want to prove themselves to women and simps who want to suck up to women.
Sometimes you just have to tell a woman no and all these men will throw men under the bus as a group first chance they get.
TLDR; women always nag about something but men don't have to listen.
If you tell them no then your boss will fire you because that makes him look strong.
You're looking at the end product. It's every part of life from childhood, fathers, husbands and friendships that leads to that outcome, many men failed in their roles in order to get to that point we are in now and continue to do so.
The consequences of Wizard of the Coast on modern fantasy have been a disaster for mankind
It's not just WoTC. Blizzard is also to blame with World of WarCraft.
Old WoW had great fantasy design though
WarCraft III to be precise. The old concepts made the Night Elves even more savage and unique.
It's also more of an artstyle thing. The one in WCIII was still fine. It's when WoW took it in is where it went full moron over time.
its not only women fault, also israelites, boomers, but the biggest travesty are Marvel and capeshit, those fricking movies ruined everything even in video games, that's why you don't get serious RPG's anymore
>you just murder someone, time for a joke
while the writing don't take itself serious, even in serious situations
>the X city can be destroyed, well time to make a fart joke and break the fourth wall
. what's up with women and gays obsession with tieflings in fantasy games ? because they are demons ? or maybe because they are "independent" and frick the authorities type of characters? otherwise make no sense, everyone hate them or don't trust them in those settings.
Ask me how i know your a virgin
go away tourist
ask me how I know you're a troony
>what's up with women and gays obsession with tieflings in fantasy games ? because they are demons ? or maybe because they are "independent" and frick the authorities type of characters? otherwise make no sense, everyone hate them or don't trust them in those settings.
Trannies in the DnD community loves them because they're seen as queer or some shit
Boomers were writing badass action films, Giallos, ultra violent comics like Heavy Metal and practically created the RPG genre. Boomers aren't to blame Boomers are awesome!
Boomers introduced the "the only rule is there are no rules" mindset that has destroyed literally everything.
I'd argue it has more to do with customer demand than writers. There will always be writers for a genre. The current demand since at least the 2010s has been "safe" fantasy. The 90s were the peak of edginess. Give it a decade or two and we'll be right back there.
I really hope we don't go back to 90s-style edginess. You can be dark without ripping off Conan. Just like at Made in Abyss or something.
>anime shit
That sounds fricking gay. It’s been around twenty years since we’ve had edgy warrior kino. I want it back.
It's mostly because I've always had nothing but absolute scorn for fantasy from around that time.
I hope we do it was badass, also modern anime sucks.
Wtf are you talking about? And whats with all the homosexuals aggreeing with you?
>Wtf are you talking about?
Anon's talking truth. Stay mad, roastie. Also, frick you.
Welcome to neo-Ganker
Based but I don't think it's entirely women's fault. More like liberals, both men and female. They need to push the agenda even in fiction, and even in fantasy fiction where it doesn't make sense, they find a way.
it is men's fault initially for ignoring the uncountable swathe of evidence from previous civilizations and giving women the right to vote.
There is a reason no successful civilization ever considered women "people" under the law.
I think one of the main reasons a lot of modern RPGs are like that (cringe neutered homogenized fantasy shit) is because of a narrative that's been prevalent among especially diversity hire devs as of late which is specifically about fantasy racism.
Basically, many modern writers despise fantasy racism because they had it hammered into them that racism = bad. So basically they do not want to portray dwarves that hate elves because that is racism and racism is bad. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes different races at odds with eachother interesting, as they just apply modern sensibitilities ontop of it that make no sense in the context.
The reason RPGs suck when lacking this factor is because the very core foundation of tolkien fantasy is fantasy racism. Orcs and goblins are hostile foreign beings that oppose humanity due to their nature. Look at OPs pic, it needs no further context to work other than the ogre is a brutish creature who hates humans and humans hate it, so it's already a conflict that just makes sense.
Then you have nu-fantasy games like those by bioware, modern warcraft lore, new DnD concepts that are basically
>there is no more racism. Just because he's an ogre doesn't mean he's a certain way
which basically turns the entire setting into
>everyone is humans that are physically different
which turns the entire setting into identity deviantart profile bio shit. Every single character is now a cool deviantart OC who is a tiefling but he's nothing like a stereotypical tiefling and he's not hated either he's just cool and special with no downsides 🙂
Dark fantasy is all about the world being threatening. The world can't be threatening in a progressive narrative, because that necessarily demands things be true, which contradicts progressivist relativism. The only way you can say that e.g., men are women, or ancient populations can be radically diverse, or women can be equal to men, is by rejecting truth itself. And you have to accept that some things are true and inviolable to make the world truly terrifying. That's how you get things like dark evil gods and eldritch horrors that cannot be reasoned with and cannot be fought; all you can do is run and hide, or fall to your knees and make your sacrifices and pray you are spared.
It's kind of ironic that D&D is so popular with this crowd, since the whole point of D&D was to design a system that forces constraints upon the characters through strict rules. But that's why they're removing more and more constraints from every newer iteration of D&D. No class restrictions, no alignment restrictions, no race restrictions; not even any stat restrictions in BG3. It won't be long until D&D is just interpretive dance. But I digress.
The problem is these people want to make political statements through video games but it's always the most shallow surface level message. There is no open mind, no exploration, no edgy side to it, it's not bold, it's afraid to offend. Imagine making a character who is a Black person hunter selling Black folk to israelites, and he is also a Black person. The devs and the suits would be afraid to be branded as racists and lose their jobs.
There is also this weird thing where people tend to attribute something from a product to the creator. If you make Hitler anything but a pathetic caricature, you are clearly a nazi. I wonder if people were always this moronic or if it's a new thing because social media gives platform to any loud moron, or for whatever other reasons.
It’s because the woke take over of the internet was also the start of a cultural purge of all past ways of thinking and ideas.
Another symptom that I just can't get over is the language. Now I'm not expecting to be bombarded with thous and forsooths in every fantasy game, but the way the dialogue is written in modern RPGs so obviously reeks of current day urban language.
You should blame troons and soiboys they're the ones to really blame.
>I blame someone else instead of making dark fantasy games despite it being easier than ever
the homosexuals that blame muh women or thuh jooz are consumer NPCs that will never create, never achieve, never ascend. you're another drooling normie and the market moved away from you because you let it.
Men let it happen, men are always at the core of these problems.
True and men let it happen because they're being more and more feminine. Literally. Testosterone has been decreasing by 1% every year for decades
>that ass
that ass is/was real. frazetta and his wife would pose for photos so he could then use them as reference in his art. HE was that buff, and she was a total smoking hot babe.
eh I looked her up, seems like the drawings are more coomer fantasies of how he wants her ass to look
Sadly, yes.
Thanks to BlackRock israelites.
Correct.
I thought the premise of Arx Fatalis was cool until it turns out all the civilizations were living underground for only a few years, I thought they were down there for like centuries
Any immersive, consisten setting games are dying (maybe the exception is söicore stuff like nu god of war, the last of us etc.). Modern gamerz want something more like a virtual space where they can self insert themselves instead of LARPing they are a barbarian or some shit in some fantasy setting.
>consistent setting games are dying
Larian games especially give me this feeling
it's like each location is just a setup for a gag, they're not designed to work as a part of a larger world
>dark fantasy games dying
>elden ring literally won GOTY last year
OP being a homosexual is back on the menu I see
> Janky Action game
> RPG
Nope.jpg.
OP didn't say anything about RPGs though.
I was going to post this.
The posters in this thread seem exceptionally moronic even for Ganker standards.
You have no idea what dark fantasy is. People dying and dragons doesn't mean dark fantasy.
Elden ring is dark fantasy tho.
Dark fantasy != Bad things happen in a fantasy
>Everything is bright and colorful
>A lot of humour: Alexander asking to kick him, mogh and rykard funny voices, rennala is crazy in a kinda funny way. All this things were intentionally made to be at least a bit funny. Even enemies are made in a comical way, like mages masks.
>No horror elements
These are not the only reasons this is not a dark fantasy, but it is enough. If anything its kind of a comedy. Definitely the most light hearted and humorous of souls games. People day in a horrible and sad ways in a dark comedies too, so it's not enough of a reason to think it's a dark fantasy.
Yeah well Elden Ring is still dark fantasy though regardless of wether there's a couple beautiful scenes or an NPC is funny. It's literally based on berserk just like souls games.
I think the arguments you've made for Elden Ring not being dark fantasy could be applied to berserk too, which is to say you're autistic and wrong, berserk is dark fantasy
We do not have to trust the single oblivion-based opinion of an anon. FromSoft is the pinacle of dark fantasy and it is thriving nowadays.
I agree, even more so coming from Dark Souls, ER is just way too upbeat in comparison.
How do you even define dark fantasy, though? Genre categories are very arbitrary and broad in definition. I agree that death and blood doesn't necessarily make it dark fantasy, which IMO is better defined by the use of "mature" themes that are not as common and tackled in traditional, epic fantasy. Although I would consider Dark Souls, and probably Elden Ring, as grimdark fantasy, which has less to do about its themes, but more about the state of the world and the setting, in its doomed state where everything you do is apparently pointless.
Explain what makes OP's image Dark Fantasy and not Elden Ring
They are trannies desperately trying to coopt everything.
This. If anything dark fantasy has been the default fantasy setting in gaming for quite some time now. Before Souls games Dragon Age was the most popular / mainstream RPG setting as well. Even Final Fantasy is now going dark fantasy because of the popularity. Pathfinder and BG3 are the first time in ages that we get some budgeted high fantasy.
This but unironically
Dark fantasy has been quite popular for a while now
>Elden Ring
>Dark fantasy
GRRM had very little impact other than putting dragons in a bunch of places. The meat of the game is very much still based on berserk, which is as traditional dark fantasy as it gets for japanese media.
The first story boss/villain in elden ring is literally a king who kills his subjects and grafts them onto his own body.
GRRM's magnum opus is literally dark fantasy thoughever
thats sword and sorcery not dark fantasy
This. Half of the people ITT seem to think Conan is Lord of the Rings BUT DARK. Low fantasy is what's actually underrepresented, "Dark fantasy" has been the standard fantasy template since Dragon Age.
I'm making one. See you in 5 years maybe.
was gothic dark fantasy?
Not really, more like grounded fantasy.
prison colony with raptors, orcs n shiet? yes
One could even call it based fantasy.
Now post the recreation with that LARPer and her great ass.
Souls is mainstream moron, grimdark was never stronger than now
>elves
>ogres
>swords and naked women
oh wow how original we need more of these
What was the last dark fantasy game that actually delivered on this without "PROUD GAY BLACK WAMAN STRONG" shoehorned into the middle of it. Also -
>low res glowie-safe pepe
name five triple aaa/aa rpgs from the last five years with a "PROUD GAY BLACK WAMAN STRONG" character. i swear this shit barely exists.
>five triple aaa/aa rpgs from the last five years
tyranny
pathfinder kingmaker and potr
divinity original sin 1-2
pillars of eternity 1-2
baldur's gate 3
can you list these strong lesbian black female characters? i haven't played both pathfinder games.
uncharted isn't an rpg and the black chick is not gay. pavarti is neither black nor strong. debra wilson's wolfenstein character was straight and married to a white guy, and cere in fallen order was broken after cutting herself off from the force and (presumably) straight.
>uncharted isn't an rpg
I didn't really understood why you limited to RPGs so I decided to ignore it
>and the black chick is not gay
Yes she is.
>pavarti is neither black nor strong.
I don't really differentiate between what your mutt senses consider "black" or not and she is
>Debra Wilson
She's in a lot of games, I'm sure she's gay in one of them
>Yes she is.
No, she isn't. If she were, you would have more evidence to show for it instead of that cope screenshot.
>I don't really differentiate between what your mutt senses consider "black" or not and she is
You can be feign indifference all you like but Blacks means Sub-Saharan African. Pavarti is not black, and that's obvious to anyone who isn't a face blind autist like yourself.
>She's in a lot of games, I'm sure she's gay in one of them
Then it should be pretty easy to name one strong and lesbian character she's played.
>you would have more evidence to show for it instead of that cope screenshot
Lmao, I can pick any screenshot.
>Pavarti is not black, and that's obvious to anyone who isn't a face blind autist like yourself.
I'm sorry if I don't differentiate among the flavors of Black folk, I'm not one of you.
>Then it should be pretty easy to name one strong and lesbian character she's played.
Addison Walker in Days Gone
>I'm sorry if I don't differentiate among the flavors of Black folk, I'm not one of you.
Stop presenting your autism as a virtue.
>Addison Walker in Days Gone
Day's Gone is not an rpg. You're 0 for 3.
>Stop presenting your autism as a virtue.
Stop pretending one brown is different from the other
>Day's Gone is not an rpg
Why does it need to be an RPG? Without it I'm 3 of 3
>Stop pretending one brown is different from the other
>what are historical and modern racial taxonomies
it has to be autism
>Why does it need to be an RPG?
because the question literally asked for rpgs featuring "PROUD GAY BLACK WAMAN STRONG". fricking sped.
>it has to be autism
It's spelled "racism" ubuntu
>because the question literally asked for rpgs
But that doesn't make sense, the whole subject is about the prevalence of the strong black gay whamen, the abject peak of globohomo, why would you limit it to just rpgs?
>It's spelled "racism" ubuntu
like I said, autism
>why would you limit it to just rpgs?
because the anon I initially responded to claimed there's an overabundance of "strong black gay whamen" in rpgs specifically. I asked him to substantiate his claim but he couldn't. now I've been roped into a tedious engagement with a face blind, overcompensating Hispanic who desperately needs to work on his reading comprenhsion.
>Noooooo! Racism is cringe!
Go back, homosexual.
>I'm not brown, you're brown!
Pls have a nice day
>I've been roped
Yes, like that
>get thoroughly btfo
>"k-kill y-yourself"
I humbly accept your concession.
>I-i-i-i didn't get btfo! You did!
>Noooooo! You can't tell me to kill myself! That's violence and almost as bad as le racism
Lmao, you really should have a nice day
just lol
>debra wilson's wolfenstein character was straight and married to a white guy
I can't believe even video games are encouraging black women to ignore black men and chase after privileged white dudes
>tyranny
>divinity original sin 1-2
>pillars of eternity 1-2
All released more than five years ago.
so was it a trick question? the answer being that there was no aaa wrpg releases in 5 years?
>tyranny
No gay black women
>pathfinder kingmaker and potr
Sosiel is a gay homie man portrayed as struggle with anger issues and immoral behaviour, Seelah is not gay or romanceable. Ekundayo is the only black companion in KM and he isn't gay, homie fricks a woman in his good ending and has children with her
>divinity original sin 1-2
no black female npcs or companions in the first game, no gay black female npcs or companions in the second
>pillars of eternity 1-2
Gay fish homies, the paladin chick is celibate.
>baldur's gate 3
Wyll isn't a woman and is playersexual, if you don't frick him or Lae'zel they will frick each other.
Never noticed it. Sounds like you problem. Quit letting homosexuals live rent free in your head.
The negresses from uncharted
Parvati from Outer Worlds
Debra Wilson
correct.
Yes
You're trying to be ironic but it LITERALLY is the fricking origin of classic fantasy.
>10 year old me opening the automatic door
> you have yet to realize that there are no "automatic" doors.
> you have been a sorcerer this whole time.
I still do this when no one is around
uhm, castlevaniabros?
Why are you such a homosexual?
It's called being a man, son. Try it sometime
You're baiting but that's kino as frick I'd play the frick out of a game like that, brevity is the soul of wit and nothings more straight to the point than swords and monsters
It's not dying so much as It's being murdered. Frank Frazetta and Tolkien understood the appeal of dark fantasy. With the exception of a few Japanese people, the majority of game devs can only give us castrated and circumcised versions of the genre because their minds are poisoned.
Sword&Sorcery is not dark fantasy.
Never were a thing beyond the 90s
wait a minute, that ass...
99% of zoomers ITT probably don't even know who FF was.
Sad!
>Not knowing one of the most based men that ever lived
Sad
Frank frazetta
that image is people trying to recreate frazetta paintings, I think it was for some web competition
I can't remember which one this one was trying to reproduce
>I can't remember which one this one was trying to reproduce
>Filename
mr. final fantasy, i presume?
I got an artbook of his for Christmas from my Nanna last year, was awesome.
Man, this chick really is fantastic. Thin waste and phenomenally shaped ass
Arrrr, that she be
>schlubby dudes
>fit, really hot chicks
It's like an Italian porno in there
>schlubby dudes
>fit, really hot chicks
Disgusting double standards, you feminist pig. The girls aren't any more fit than the guys, it's just you consider a girl to be "really hot" as long as she's not disastrously fat, while you expect a guy to perform rigorous exercise daily, otherwise he's some loathsome slob.
>girls aren't any more fit than the guys
They are tho, they're clearly in a lower level of body fat
>it's just you consider a girl to be "really hot" as long as she's not disastrously fat
No, those are thin girls. I cana frick a hot chubby too, but these girls aren't it.
>while you expect a guy to perform rigorous exercise daily, otherwise he's some loathsome slob.
Yes. Join a gym, fatso
Just standard american couples then
>Wont even have her breasts out for a few seconds to take an accurate pic because she doesn't want to expose herself to some chubby beta males
I kek
Incel cope. Larpers have more sex than you
just realized the pirate looking guy isnt wearing a rag but a fricking strainer on his head. masterful.
anyone ever figure out who the chick was?
the original, real chick behind his art was his wife. both of them would pose for photos, and then he would use them to do his art with, basically adding the fantasy shit atop it.
franks wife was a BABE.
I know who Frank Frazetta is you mongoloid
I mean the chick larping in the images posted
Just some random contestant, what do you mean who she was? Girlfriend of the photographer or one of the dudes in the photo iirc.
>franks wife was a BABE.
I mean. I still would. But babe? Hardly.
She just looks unappealing to you because of the fashion at the time
Abbey Rain?
>You're a big girl
>For you
Sometimes FF's art is indistinguishable from Julius Zimmerman's
S-tier ass, damn
Quake is forever.
Just have one question: is there a warband mod that puts you in a dark fantasy world that would be worth trying?
I feel like there is something inherently wrong with most fantasy stuff and I can't exactly put my finger on it but it's like
>Everything is self-aware and highly genre savvy
>The world is incredibly generic and based partially or wholly off of DnD
>Tons of "blue people" races running around
>"Leather armor"
>Modern sensibilities
>Ugly art design that reminds of Blizzard games
Only a few things recently have broken this mold, Witcher games and Soulsborne come to mind
Part of the reason people like The Witcher is because it's not the modern world with a coat of paint.
The rest fall into place once you stop making your fantasy world our society.
Even if it is the draw and poison of the Shadowrun series. A Shadowrun FPS would rock.
>fantasy world isnt allowed to have shit that actually occurred in history
>no gender roles
>no blatant discrimination
>no slavery
>no caste systems
>no brutality against the weak
>no oppression by the strong
>all of this and more is seen as "endorsing it" when the point is to either survive in such a world or commit to HEROISM and be a HERO by wrestling it into something more fair or just
>all of this and more is seen as "endorsing it"
I hate this with every fiber of my being. Portrayals of controversial topics are viewed as wholesale support if you don't preemptively get on the soapbox and shit on it 24/7.
Probably because the populace was raped of the ability to think critically, so they need to be spoon fed opinions.
it is allowed to have pseudoutopias with tyrannical leaders.
>>The world is incredibly generic and based partially or wholly off of DnD
DnD was made by nerds who drew inspiration from a ton of different sources, including real world religions, mythology, and folk tales. Modern fantasy is made by nerds who drew inspiration from DnD and other things that drew inspiration from DnD.
DnD was entirely just Tolkien, dont pretend it did anything special
Postmodern equity/diversity/inclusion self ID Tolkien maybe.
Blizzard's design is just mass appeal in its most extreme form. Blizzard has a habit of taking something like Warhammer Fantasy and making it as bland and generic as humanly possible.
Apart from some of the aesthetics, WHF is pretty bland and generic to begin with.
I'd say some parts are, but I'd consider it far above WoW, I really like grail knights.
>but I'd consider it far above WoW
I mean, sure, but that's not a very high bar.
That's why I find it to be so bland. It's literally just medieval Europe but with some Tolkien stuff thrown in. I would've preferred a setting that is either fully historical, because real historical settings are always way better than anything fantasists can come up with, or have it lean in more into the fantastic. Basically I'd rather play a game with the real HRE than a bullshit version of it.
>Basically I'd rather play a game with the real HRE than a bullshit version of it.
That's kinda moronic. By that logic all fantasy is bad, just stick to history
ASoIaF is just medieval england, Tolkien northern europe.
Warhammer is historical factions and fantasies on crack. It's HRE has an Emperor that rides a giant gryphon and a engineer college that creates steampunk explosive gatling guns, if you can't appreciate that I can't imagine what you would
>By that logic all fantasy is bad, just stick to history
Bingo, kinda.
>ASoIaF is just medieval england
Westeros is a very terrible setting, was that your point?
You can't escape certain archetypes, this is true, but I appreciate an honest effort when you try to make it unique and your own, something that WHF never really attempted at. WHF is no more fantastic or diverse than Age of Empires. Yeah, some of the cultures are depicted as dinos or skellies, but I already mentioned that this is just the aesthetic aspect of it, the "gimmick" they use to sell the minis. And that's fine. But if you dig into the setting then it's nothing more than a poppy version of our own history. And in that case I'd rather just play something that *is* historical.
>Bingo
Well, it's a moronic opinion and this is a fantasy thread, why are you here?
>but I appreciate an honest effort when you try to make it unique and your own
Like what?
Fantasy lets you tell symbolic stories without muddling them with real concerns. You can go full-blackpill and laugh at the guy who gives his life to protect his family just so that his wife can go get fricked by a black guy. But you don't have that problem in fantasy. Your hero can sacrifice himself and his family lives happily ever after and then they are all rewarded in heaven or whatever. And then your symbolic tale, your behavioural guideline presented through metaphor remains clear.
>WHF is pretty bland and generic to begin with
It's already miles ahead of anything else by having it's main human nation be a fantasy HRE instead of England/France
WHF is probably the most interesting and diverse fantasy setting that exists. And all it really is is different human cultures interpreted as a moronic german would've imagined them. This being the kind of guy to whom sweden was a distant and mythical place. South america may as well have been on another planet and full of talking dinosaurs, for all he knows.
I dont think there is anything wrong with the basics being human, elf, dwarf and orc with fighters, clerics, rangers, ect even if these are now generic.
Its the worlds that are lame. They lack realism, gritty, awful realism. Modern fantasy doesnt ask; "what would sentient races with specific traits be like?" It says "lets have orcs, and they love conflict, but we cant put in anything too gruesome it would upset some people".
It's not even that. They lack interesting storylines
Why did you post an artist that draws blacked porn
>FF thread
yeah, show us his DARK fantasies LMAO
That's low fantasy, not dark fantasy.
they died a decade ago if you exclude souls games
Well what Dark Fantasy games were there in the first place? I feel like video games for the PS1 gen onward completely skipped this trope because of the popularity of JRPG fantasy.
Is Elder Scrolls Dark Fantasy? That's the closest i can think of. Where are the barbarian, monsters and babes games?
Gay special snowflakes aside I also hate how "modern" fantasy looks now days. Everyone has jackets, overcoats, glasses, it's all so homosexual and ruins the medieval/early modern aesthetic
Yeah, it looks godawful
It looks terrible, I hate modern western high fantasy so much it's unreal
A well sharpened axe can cut a hair.
Glasses were not so rare in the early modern period though, they have been used as early as the reinassance, although their aesthetic was very different to the one that (I assume) irritates you
My problem with modern (especially high) fantasy is too much diversity (also known as freakshit, where you have entire parties where >50% of them are non-humans, and even races apart from dwarves/orcs/elves), anime superpowers and all the like
I blame Americans and especially D&D on that. The Witcher and Wheel of Time TV shows are a prime example of this
Drizzt Do'Urden was the start of the downfall of modern fantasy. When you can substitute making your character interesting for simply making them non-human, it was all over. Then it's just a race to the bottom to see who can make their character the LEAST human. fricking aasimar and tieflings walking around with butterfly wings and demon horns in the general population like it's no big deal these days.
Yeah I hate tieflings and the like. I don't mind it when randoms do it with their DnD characters, but this practice has long spread to mainstream fantasy media (games, tv series, even books) where characters are giving a set of "unique" traits (non-human, different race and other defining physical characteristics) to act as substitutes for an interesting personality or even backstory.
>look who finally came out of his troll cave
hey BG3 gay boy, back to your barbie dress up, you don't play games anyway.
Did you reply to the wrong post or is this a fulls schizo meltdown? lmao
The top image needs more angels, vampires and demons.
That's the fantasy meta now.
Why does this image trigger homosexuals and SJW types so much?
they know the Majere bros alone would body the diversity brigade
Both are good. But they are different taste
>homosexualy modern fantasy is good
It's not tho
Frick that shit, I don't want to live in a world that looks like it hurts to breathe in
>dark fantasy
>frazetta
>all these anons not realizing this is a joke thread
https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/11/dont-hide-your-candle-under-a-bushel-mr-frazetta-nsfw/
>dark fantasy games never existed before
hello my fellow tourist
Frank Frazetta drew this? Didn't knew he was racist... Time to cancel him boys spread the images on twitter and reddit 🙂
>trying this hard to hide how mad you are
afraid of a little image spreading mr.biden?
I thought porn of Black folk raping white women was sorta artistic a reflective of the genre at the time
Does Northern Journey count as dark fantasy? Whatever it is it did it well.
Bait thread made me reply, Frick every homosexual who loves Frazetta. All of you are over 40 years old who work on dead end jobs and beat their wives on the daily. Hope you pieces of pastas choke on spaghetti you wanna be Wops. Frazetta didn't create shit neither was Conan comics they all copied porn novels that's all it really was back in the early 1900s novel comics where literally porn books. Don't believe me pal? Well suck on this puppet Ass cheeks! Bet you like sucking on your little Boss's Pecker!
YO LIL FRAZETTIE!
>Bait thread made me reply, Frick every homosexual who loves Frazetta. All of you are over 40 years old who work on dead end jobs and beat their wives on the daily. Hope you pieces of pastas choke on spaghetti you wanna be Wops. Frazetta didn't create shit neither was Conan comics they all copied porn novels that's all it really was back in the early 1900s novel comics where literally porn books. Don't believe me pal? Well suck on this puppet Ass cheeks! Bet you like sucking on your little Boss's Pecker!
On thing I love about these old Frazetta and Frazetta-esque pieces is that the outcome of the action is often anyone’s guess.
for me, it's BROM
The people I’d kill for a Dark Sun MMO.
What's your favorite dark fantasy book anons?
The Black Company. When I first picked it up I expected it be way more grimdark/edgy, instead I got a great mercenary story
>you will never be an old man with a psycho formerly mage queen Lady
for me it's the stupid sexy Soulcatcher
imagine the hatesex shimaidon
Croaker having sex with Lady and then being so smug about it that the day after he can't hide his shit-eating grin in front of the rest of the Company to the point it annoyed them all was 11/10
Still bullshit she got her powers back.
Bro got the right to be smug. Guy is a history nerd and physisian of some murderhobo squad. Gets a crush on the most evil creature in the world. Every sign is pretty much Even he admits its a complete joke and moronic fantasy. Then miraculously gets to bang her, and not even in some loveless scheme to get him to do something.
Gleen Cook is the king of survivor's guilt
Isn't this the book were wizards are baiscally super sayans?
Of course, Bakker. I don't even think there is any competition.
need a bakker game asap
bakker has black characters? wtf
Fantasy is dying.
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What's the essential sword n sorcery vidya?
>dat ass
There will never be enough sword and sorcery games. Maybe that's what makes it a special genre
we never got the Arthurian kino we deserved
>Arthurian kino
I'm going to make this game someday
I swear
>Weapons piercing armor
REEEEE
Both are magical +5
We need more female characters whose backstory was getting gangraped by orcs.
we need more virgin characters
Hardmode: Their character arc has nothing to do with this fact and they remain chaste for the whole story
Impossible mode: it's a male character and that's a good thing
>Impossible mode
>Are dark fantasy videogames dying?
i'm still working on my magnum opus
going on 3 years now and nowhere near finished.
but if and when i do, i'll have some dark fantasy adventure KINO for (You).
no check out fear & hunger
Can someone help me remember a game? I played it when I was 10. I think it was on PS2. It was an RPG hack and slash made by a western company. The game starts with you being a prisoner and a mask gets put on you and then they throw you down a pit into a sewer. I remember the mask was an important story part. It was like a black leather mask that had holes for eyes and mouth. The first level was a sewer and then I think there was like a goblin village afterwards. I never made it past that but I would like to replay it, but I can’t remember what it was called. Something something mighty heroes or something.
?
Holy cow. Thanks so much. I remember my brother was a huge jrpg nerd and hated constantly on this game because it was a western game. Now I have to find out how I can replay it. Thanks so much.
Glad to help. I'm sure you can find an ISO of if somewhere pretty easy.
Goddamn, women in games used to be smoking hot
don't even get me started, brother
It was a simpler, better time
>check the Playboy magazines with video game girls
>Virtual women showing breasts or going full nude was marketed as "Games Growing Up"
>main story is Donald Trump interview (kek)
somebody robbed us of the correct timeline
Her games were hot garbage though.
shit i dont know but i hope you find it
>dark fantasy
Isn't this called Sword & Sorcery?
But yeah, I miss this aesthetic very much. Good old 80's Saturday morning cartoons. Modern fantasy looks awful.
Similar, can overlap since they both have generally serious tones, but no.
Think like matter of scale and focus.
Warhammer not-40k or Elric are dark fantasy.
Conan is sword and sorcery.
It's not just about scale either. Sword & Sorcery is about larger than life heroic figures. It's supposed to feel mythological. Dark fantasy tends to be more on the misery porn side of things.Or at the very least it's Horror but with swords, to simplify it (as Horror could often be described as Urban Fantasy).
There are elric stories where you could change the names of the locations they visit and stuff like the chaos lords to mitra and set and it would basically read like a conan story.
Sword and sorcery is synonymous with sword and sandal, it's a subgenre if fantasy but you'll usually find it in setting that use iron-age or approximate eras.
Dark Sun and Conan being tow.of.the most famous examples.
Man, I used to fap to these in the old Conan books. My favorite was the queen of the black seas or something. I tried to read the story but kept jacking it to the pictures and never made it past when she gave herself to Conan after he defeats her warriors.
I blame Dark Souls for the downfall of dark fantasy vidya.
one of the most popular games for the last two gens were darksouls and bloodborn what meth are you smoking
The ones with copious amounts of rape unfortunately.
No. These butthole developers need to keep making them because they have no imagination or skill.
Who’s got the wall of modern “women” in games?
>dark fantasy
it's basically a dead subgenre because Miura died, GRRM is too fat to write and all the newer fantasy writers are queers and women
It's been dead for a while but I think we're due for a revival. Elden Ring was ace.
What dark fantasy games?
>we will never get a proper film scene looking all kino because it's made by a skilled filmmaker and fan of lotr
it hurts
I will be playing two new dark fantasy releases in quick succession: Diablo 4 and Blasphemous 2. You may hate both for whatever reason but they are legit dark fantasy settings.
>people think souls or elden ring are dark fantasy
am I getting baited
they are apocalyptic fantasy
same goes for bloodborne
however sekiro is an actual dark fantasy game
These things arent mutually exclusive. Yeah they're set in post-apoc settings when you investigate the lore, but it's still dark fantasy. Nothing says medieval dark fantasy can't be post-apocalyptical, it's infact pretty common because having a functional world filled with normal people is at odds with the concept of dark fantasy inherently
they are nearly always mutually exclusive but I'm going to keep it to fromsoft content in this post
in souls and elden ring like nearly all apocalyptic fantasy the world used to be good but it is now bad, because it is facing its end
the world isn't "alive", it's stagnated and/or dying - much of nothing is happening, or will happen - ever again (outside of the player character's actions and consequences of those actions)
in dark fantasy the world is not ending, it might have been better before, but it is not ending
the world isn't dying, it's just all grimdark and gritty by nature - history marches on under that cover of darkness and suffering
it's a fricking shit world to live in, but it is a world that is explicitly alive and thriving
>in dark fantasy the world is not ending, it might have been better before, but it is not ending
completely made up assessment and not a part of the definition of dark fantasy in any way whatsoever
I heard there's an elric RPG in development by the people who are making the hellboy game. I hope it's an actual RPG with choices and stats and not just a clone of the witcher or other modern not an rpg goyslop.
Pre D&D fantasy (and maybe SLIGHTLY after) touches me in some kind of special way. I can feel it in my soul.
Old fantasy was based on history/mythology. It was marketed as "action" or "adventure"
Modern fantasy is based on other fantasy which is based on other fantasy. They do things that other fantasy does because they feel like thats whats expected of them, not because they feel like it would make a good story. Fricking everything has to have gay elves throwing lightningbolts around
>Fricking everything has to have gay elves throwing lightningbolts around
lol you clearly havent seen any modern fantasy
it's all Black folk and trannies, not "elves throwing lightning bolts"
its nig and troony elves throwing lightning bolts around, and for a decade before that it was still boring as frick seeing white gay elves throwing lightning bolts around
D&D and Wacraft have been a plague on Fantasy
What I like about high fantast is that the good guys can be as strong as or stronger than the bad guys. In dark fantasy, the bad guy is always some borderline invincible thing that you can only barely defeat because of countless desperate choices. In high fantasy, your knight can face-down the demon and beat him in a fair fight.
Downside to that, is that the rules similarly allow for the moronic wheelchair-rolling troony hafling cook can do the same thing, and then everyone claps because it's so le heckin' wholesome and funny.
Ultimately, it comes down to your group. You can play a serious D&D campaign in a serious setting where everything isn't a joke. PS:T gets mentioned constantly, and though it's a game that I'd say has teenagers as its target audience, and it has some arguably comedic characters, it's still a serious game. You talk to Dak'kon, and you reach the end of his conversation chain and you realize that guy is a character straight out of a dark fantasy story. Conan would've liked that guy. Conan would fricking murder on sight most the characters in D&D games now, because they so violently radiate unstable psychopath. And of course, Dak'kon does this whole also being a "subversion" (a member of an extremely chaotic race, who is extremely lawful, although they retconned them to be lawful because modern writers are moronic homosexuals), proving that - as if proof was necessary - that subversions aren't automatically moronic garbage.
You say this, but every attempt at recreation of mythology just flops and everyone on Ganker buys games like Souls, MH and DD instead
Tolkien/DnD is our generations mythology, pre-medieval mythology isn't appealing anymore and just dies in obscurity.
You fricking orc. You are not getting in my way to that ass!
What's the "Savage Sword of Conan" of gaming?
>he says while FromSoft has become one of the household name developers of our time on dark fantasy titles alone
lol
lmao even
>no replies
>b-b-but that isn't western
Reminder anyone who think DS is dark fantasy are is probably brown.
I think its crazy when people ITT say that we have dark fantasy today. We dont really. When I think "dark fantasy" I think of something that presents brutal and harsh elements of the world, like slavery, hierarchy, tribal raiding, sexual voluptuousness. maybe i'm wrong but i think dark fantasy is defined by not being afraid of "bad" morals. almost all modern fantasy IS afraid of it.
I think a big issue is that it's not really something that has ever really existed outside of books and that people tend to confuse it for sword and sorcery like Conan because that's the most "bad" fantasy setting they have been exposed
Conan definitely fits the """""bad""" premodern morality part
Granted, he's nearly dead and the only the only survivor of a battle between Aesir and Vanir and she appears for the sole purpose of tormenting the dying. She narrowly avoids her comeuppance, but not before getting two of her giant brothers killed.
Personally I don't even know what dark fantasy exactly is. Is Thief considered to be dark fantasy? How about the later Prince of Persia games?
"Dark fantasy" isn't a coherently defined genre. It basically encapsulates everything that involves even 10% of the topics you mentioned. You can take any bog-standard fantasy add a "but the elves enslave humans" and it'll be considered "dark fantasy" by the vast majority of people.
Sword and Sorcery or "low fantasy" are much more well-defined genres, on the other hand and give a better understanding of what you can expect going in. Conan could technically be considered dark fantasy, but so could a thousand other settings: so what's the point in even applying the term?
low fantasy and high fantasy have actual hard definitions, dark fantasy is just a vibe and themes as you said. The point is to point out the vibe it gives which most people generally agree on. You won't find anyone that tells you dark souls and diablo arent generally pretty dark and grim, hence dark fantasy works at a label, but monster hunter doesn't really give off that vibe at all hence nobody describing it that way
these sorts of things are scary for autists like the guy screeching that souls games arent dark fantasy in here, I guess
Ok, then tell me this: is the Elder Scrolls dark fantasy to you and why/why not?
To me both Conan and Elder Scrolls are "dark" on paper. Even though the settings are so incredibly far apart from each other in terms of vibe - they both touch upon themes (racism, genocide, slavery, etc) other, lighter, settings would never entertain.
I understand what you're getting at: but the precise issue is that if someone tells me something is "dark fantasy" - I have literally no idea what vibe they're describing. Careless world, to me, at least feels closer to a low fantasy setting, rather than something that is necessarily "dark" in tone.
I'd say it has dark fantasy aspects but it's as a whole lighter than that, especially the newer entries keep the dark tones to a minimum
Dragon Age: Origins is an example of a high fantasy setting that's obviously dark. It's so dark that probably the end of the world is just around the corner and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it.
>the world is just around the corner and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it.
You stopped it though?
The darkspawn are still down there in the tunnels in infinite numbers just waiting to burst forth for inscrutable reasons.
yes but this Blight was another failure, and if you impregnate Morrigan you didn't even need to die to achieve victory
Maybe one day the world of men would fall but it was not this day
DAO gets a lot of shit for being BG2 and it's gay fanbase but frick me if rallying the troops and the companions to fight the monstrous horde as your soldiers cheer you on wasn't some of the greatest shit in vidya
>Let's show them our hearts and then ,show them theirs!
who tf shittalks Orgins? It's a completely different beast from the corrupt trash that befell Bioware afterwards.
>who tf shittalks Orgins?
Villains, anon
Lefties hate DA:O because they think characters are transphobic even though no one knew what a troony was in 2009 or during the 4-5 years of development the game had.
kek
A legitimate question
I don't see it as transphobic. That being said all of Qunari culture is fricked besides how they handle mages.
>I don't see it as transphobic
Why would it matter if it was
It had its own set of complaints before bioware went to total shit. Mostly gameplay related though, the game had some nonsensical balance at points
'You know it when you see it'?
Conan is 100% dark fantasy. The world is a dangerous place and it wants to destroy you, and you only survive through the strength of sword arm. I think that is the defining element of "dark fantasy". The world is out to get you.
'Light' fantasy, it's usually the other way around. The world - the natural order of things - actually wants to protect you, but some dark force is threatening to upset the proper balance. LOTR is a pretty good example, but so is almost any fantasy where the chosen one is prophesied to defeat the dark lord. The world wants him to succeed. Where in dark fantasy, the world wants him to fail (or, it doesn't care at all).
"Dark fantasy" on Ganker means Sword and Sorcery (they dont know what that is) art work where men where men and women were women and gays didn't exist.
"Dark fantasy" doesn't mean anything. Its just conservatives hating new things.
Anyone have that fantasy "racial memory unlocked" image?
>still no Solomon Kane game
JUST
Severance: Blade of Darkness
How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game until the final boss seems massively difficult despite being far weaker than even the tutorial enemies?
Assume this gameplay mechanic is backed by a good narrative on why things turn out this way.
>How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game
I wouldn't. Taking power away from the player sounds interesting on paper but feels awful in practice, even when done in extreme moderation.
It could (possibly) work for a narrative game where moment-to-moment mechanics are maybe 20% of the overall experience, but I definitely wouldn't center a gameplay-first game around this gimmick.
Increasing levels doesn't just make you more powerful, it (or, it should) increases the complexity of the gameplay, by giving you more tools So as you progress, you naturally grow used to the simpler parts of the game by the time more complex parts are introduced. Doing it the other way around would be a horrible experience.
>How would yo design a game concept where the character starts max level at the start of the game, and loses levels as they progress through the game until the final boss seems massively difficult despite being far weaker than even the tutorial enemies?
It could absolutely work, if there was a big reward at the end. Players will do anything for a reward. it could be a game mode. And winning it would make your character stronger in, say, a new game plus mode or some other game mode.
another way to do it is to have the character be a powerful warrior, and then get weaker and transition into a powerful wizard half way, then they get weaker again and then they get the powers of a wizard and a warrior at the end of the game. Not exactly what you are saying but close.
>but all those games everyone widely agrees are dark fantasy games do not fit MY very own definition of dark fantasy that I just made up right now so they don't count
actual autism
We need another berserk to invigorate the japs
Image is mfw yoko taro is too busy having sex with children to make a proper sequel to murdermcmurderface's game
it's the game most deserving a remaster, honestly I'd like to see more of that setting
Frick remasters I want a real sequel not another redo.
I want a sequel to drak2 as well
Dragon's Dogma 2 exists, so no.
People in general just don't like dark fantasy because it gets to be too much. Look at how much people are currently b***hing about FFXVI because the ending is too uncertain/bleak instead of being happy. Also if you make things way too grim without any kind of levity or hope, it becomes hard to care at all.
was Witcher the last dark fantasy game with no pozzed shit?
>with no pozzed shit
good bait
>good bait
show me something pozzed in witcher 3
I've never played it but isn't the surrogate daughter canonically a dyke prostitute?
>I've never played it but isn't the surrogate daughter canonically a dyke prostitute?
bro, ciri fricks horses and men too
>the skellige queen
>the skellige swordfighting champion woman
>the horse riding champion is a woman in skellige
>shieldmaidens in the skellige army
>why yes chud, I am a ship captain AND a woman
>Ciri
>the fist fighter in the vampire dlc
and many, many more
>the fist fighter in the vampire dlc
If that was meant to be sincere, I got it terribly wrong.
All oif that isn't woke bc they're hot I can stick my penis in them
>witcher 3
tetriaries out
The elf woman who you save from being harassed and she turns on you saying sarcastically
>"did you think I was going to suck you off? Be so grateful that I'd be on my knees thanking you ever so kindly? I can take care of myself I didn't need your help now piss off"
ok she didnt use those exact words but you get the point she was being STRONG FEMALE ME DONT NEED NO MAN GIRL POWER it was completely out of place
no
I hate Souls games like you wouldn't believe, but one thing they're at least doing is encouraging moronic devs to try and copy the setting at least
Too bad they tend to mostly copy the horrible combat and gameplay loop instead
I really want a new Golden Axe with Frazetta-style art. Dragon's Crown comes close but isn't quite the same
I really want the Goblin Slayer game to turn out good (it probably won't).
Battle Brothers is the real dark fantasy goblin slayer game.
>shovelware game for a garbage isekai manga
It's going to be trash just like the source material
>garbage isekai manga
Black person you clearly didn't even read a singIe chapter if you think it's an isekai. I still fully expect the game to be shovelware THOUGH
It's native isekai
>Every regular fantasy world is just an isekai world a Japanese teenager hasn't been reincarnated into yet.
Souls is popular
People always say "this is dead" but post some actual dark fantasy videogames. Does Blasphemous or Path of Exile count?
Series like Might and Magic were way more creative than most modern games and honestly, I think that's what most people mean. They want games that were like the old ones.
Complete and finished experiences.
Wizardry was a western staple but nobody remembers it anymore. It's probably somewhat known in Japan.
But both M&M and Wizardry are dead
Ultima is also gone. The industry is ruled by analysts nowadays not creators.
It's kinda funny reading through this thread and seeing how many people just think dark fantasy means low fantasy even though you can have a dark high fantasy setting
Dark Fantasy isn't mainstream anymore. It's now viewed as problematic by the same ninnies whose grandmothers whined about D&D promoting satanism.
What do you mean? Dark Souls is one of the most popular video game series in recent years, and it's totally dark fantasy.
Unironically, that's the aesthetic for Jump King Quest. The devs bragged about hiring Goran Gligovic for this.
It is cause of gay troony pandering and mainstream appeals. That which belongs to everyone is often valued by almost nobody.
By the way, the image I included may not be entirely "dark fantasy" but Clyde Caldwell did a great job with fantasy illustrations that really inspire adventure. When I was a preteen looking through my brother's 2nd Edition AD&D supplemental books, I saw this image and wanted to jump in, kill the orcs, and then get rewarded by the princess with her allowing me to do freaky hentai things to her body.
>It is cause of gay troony pandering and mainstream appeals
The artist of the picture in the OP draws literal blacked porn.
You mean the consequences of failing to save a princess from getting gangboned by orcs and other vile creatures?
No, he draws white women getting fricked by black men. And the thread is full of /misc/tards going "vgh, we need to go back." just think about how stupid this looks.
Good. Frick barbarian fantasy
I've always hated 80s/90s fantasy worlds that have a ton of greasy dudes and no exploration or worldbuilding
I'd like to see a game that's basically a frick you to 40k, Dark Souls, and all other "Le heckin MANLY and EDGY" fantasy worlds
It's about introducing hope and actual opportunity to a perpetually stuck grimdark world that thrives off of violence, chaos, despair, and outright treachery. You do stuff like cleaning up the filth everywhere so people don't get sick so much, introducing more magic and knowledge so people have greater context of the world around them, give them better clothes so they don't freeze, and so on and so forth.
Based peacemaxxer
Not even peace. More "Fight, but for the right cause instead of a perpetual meatgrinder"
So ActRaiser basically
And then you just die because the whole concept is moronic.
How is it moronic to actually try to improve the state of the world?
Reality trumps wishes and fairy dust.
Why not actively work to make it better?
You actively work to make it better by getting rid of the people who make it worse, not by being a fricking moron with an IQ of 60
The pharma industry has your back. They are hard at work selling drugs and surgeries to sterilize insane far left transtrenders, wiping them out of the genepool. It's just the hippie activists trying to indoctrinate everyone else that you have to worry about now.
Frick you're right. They're literally selling HRT to the mentally ill so they cleanse themselves from the gene pool
I wish that were the case but the vast majority of these transhomosexuals are literally the result of the pesticide and plastic industries massively polluting the entire world with endocrine disruptors so this really isn't a matter of natural selection. There will be more and more of them no matter what for decades to come.
We got rid of the vast majority of the homosexuals dozens of thousands of years ago. This is quite clearly a new phenomenon.
Makes me think of this anecdote from one of those UN guys in africa.
>help african dude set up farm and bakery so he can grow crops and bake them into bread
>guys enterprise is successful and he makes enough money to make his business sustainable and growing
>elders related to him find out and come ask him to give him all their shit because he has so much more than them so they should have it
>he does because he has no other choice
>can't sustain his business anymore, is set back to square 0 pre-UN aid
there were lots of similar stories, like how they'd help women set up businesses, they'd be successful, and even inevitably the women would just get robbed by some random criminals since there were no cops to prevent it or the cops were in on it
it's impossible to work to make things better without first identifying and stopping that make it impossible to actually make things better. or, well, maybe not impossible. "futile" more like.
Yes, this is blacks 101. This can literally be witnessed at any time in any country that has africans in it.
Go to any black neighborhood in the US and you'll see the exact same stories. If the percentage of morons is higher than extreme minority they will destroy whatever the smart ones build because it takes lots of time and efforts to build and it's very easy to destroy.
It was already better when this butthole was in prison.
The same way it's moronic to keep trying to connect a {3;3} graph without crossing lines.
incels run on philosophical masochism
Same reason being the one guy who doesn't overfish from the pond is stupid. Unless you get *everyone* else to go along, it's just self-destructive.
You're not trying to create a utopia. You're just trying to make it so that people have a chance.
And this isn't accomplishing that. To give people a chance you need to convince them to listen to you, and then you need to isolate yourself from all the people who won't listen to avoid parasites. Unless you're willing to do at least both of those, you're not helping anyone.
>Why did humankind not progress beyond caveman times by your reasoning?
What do you think, man? At some point, some people were like "no, you DON'T get to just do what you want". I imagine this happened pretty fast, actually. Since no pre-modern group can survive for even a single generation if this isn't strictly enforced.
Why did humankind not progress beyond caveman times by your reasoning?
i want to play your game anon
>40k
>introducing more magic
bruh
I mean the more beneficial type of magic. Like, teach people how to actually use magic in a way that doesn't kill them
i really wish there had been at least one good fantasy game set in immediate post-Roman Britain but with magic and monsters and so on (in the context of the period of course)
Sounds cool and I’d definitely play it, but the larger audiences don’t know or care about any of that history these days. It would be a hard sell to a publishing company.
Everyone is such a fricking homosexual nowadays.
>nyeehhh it doesnt make sense
>nyyeehhhhhhh its not realistic
Fricking shut up.
Is Witcher considered dark fantasy? Never played the games but the trash Netflix show gave me high fantasy Xena vibes
>Is Witcher considered dark fantasy
Yes, very explicitly so. The show is complete trash and should be ignored entirely.
That is not Dark Fantasy, that is Sword & Sorcery. You already have your dark fantasy tripe with Warhammer 40K.
And if a game in a Sword & Sorcery setting did come out today you b***hhomosexual Black folk will be up at arms in your pearlclutching incel behaviors crying about le israelites pushing degeneracy pushing ever more strange fetishes, and WEG paying companies that pander to weird fetishes. Have you fricking read the Conanbooks or read the comics? We're talking about settings here where people are having temple orgies, ACTUAL bestial sex, and women fricking statues with penises to the fertility goddess Ishtar, Jhebbal-Sag the god of the hunt turning into all manner of animals from deers to tigers to have sex with female animals to make half-breed weremonsters, sacrifice orgies to nearly 80% of all gods, witches/sorceresses fricking demons to bind them to her will or gain magical/hellish powers, women going into the Black Kingdoms to get sex partners, and old fart sorcerers sacrificing 1000 newborns to seek the approval of particular gods to gain magical prowess and acted in accordance to them like clerics. And yes it was all presented in a good light because the gods were in approval and were granting these powers in according to what the people were doing and for them.
We just had a fricking game where /misc/lyps started screaming about a polymorph Bear sex scene.
>Have you fricking read the Conan books or read the comics
The answer to this should be obvious
The biggest game last year was dark fantasy. Literally all anyone could talk about was that. What the frick are you smoking?
Dark fantasy is not dying and annoyingly prevalent.
Why can't I just have a video game world that's comfortable to live in? Nah it always as to be the most grimdark garbage so the creators can hide their hackyness.
Agreed. My true problem however lies in how shallow these worlds are. I want a place I can explore that feels like a lived-in comfy world
dark fantasy is not the same as grimdark thoughever
They are dying? I thought they were thriving? Doesn't SoulsbornElden count as dark fantasy?
morons think dark fantasy is a funny way of saying low fantasy which is fairly rare these days.
Agreed.
Do you see any games that look like this?
Honestly I think the reason I hate so many of these is because they all look like they take place in a Fury-Road style desert.
Or it could be Fist of the North Star
I dunno, post-apocalyptic desert has always been a trope I fricking hate.
It can look so awesome and badass though
Just imagine something like this in a open world RPG game
What exactly constitutes dark fantasy? I just literally googled "dark fantasy games" and guess wtf I just got to come up in results?
>Dark fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literary, artistic, and cinematic works that incorporate disturbing and frightening themes of fantasy. It often combines fantasy with elements of horror or has a gloomy dark tone or a sense of horror and dread.
that's what wikipedia it says it is
>Doesn't SoulsbornElden count as dark fantasy?
It does, of course.
You barely ever see regular fantasy anymore like Heroes of Might & Magic or King's Bounty The Legend. Everything always has to be sick, dying, disturbing and depressing.
Souls and Elden Ring are high/epic dark fantasy games. Bloodborne is a dark fantasy, cosmic/gothic horror (as in, the fantasy subgenre) game, Sekiro is low fantasy, for the most part.
Dark fantasy is probably the most poorly defined subgenre of fantasy out there tbh
My ideal fantasy world is
>One that doesn't suck to live in
>Has a lot to do and explore
That is it
>Kingdoms need to hire adventurers and mercenaries to get rid of dungeons and monsters roaming the land.
Never going to happen.
It's telling that I wrote a story about people literally fighting for their lives against the embodiment of the void and yet it's still less grimdark than your average fantasy world if only because it's a world built off of genuine personal bonds in times of crisis.
Is the measure of a man his ability to make others bend to his will or his ability to change things with his own effort?
SWORD AND SORCERY IS MORE DEGENERATE THAN MODERN FANTASY
Is Dragon's Dogma 2 not coming out soon? Why is this thread like this?
I hate the belief people should only be one way upon birth
The ONLY good fantasy is Nobledark Fantasy ala Warhammer Fantasy, where the world is bleak, life is hard, Chaos runs rampant, and mutated beastmen from goatmen to ratmen dwell within the darkest places within the world, but a light is beaming within the heart of the humanlands, and chivalry/faith isn't dead but a way to stamp out evil.
Frick you Black folk liking Sword&Sorcery and frick that absolute Grimdark homosexualry of Warhammer 40K.