>wow is shit. maybe it'll get better in dragonflight but it is yet to see. No one is playing classic and they just boost
>ffXIV is a weeb coomer bait
>eso is a single player. You never have to interact with other players
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Play FlyFF you b***h ass homie.
I think i'll pass
>take HRT
no thanks, troony
why are mutts like this
like what?
flyff is a troony game for homosexuals. You're not a stupid ass dumb homosexual are you?
Didn't they dig this games corpse up recently just to make it even more predatory with microtransactions and plsy to earn crypto bullshit
>are mmos dead?
Only the good ones. We still have BDO, New World and that third one.
I don't understand this post. New World is certified dead and even at its height wasn't great. It was GOOD but deeply flawed.
>Only the good ones
>BDO
>New World
Kek here's your (you) since no one cared to take the bait
he's right though they have actual open world elements and don't betray the genre as much as themeparkdogshit does
>Getting everything to PEN to even play PvP casually
>Having to join your server's main faction to do anything in a game
>"don't betray the genre"
>cites completely unrelated things to what i'm talking about and just regurgitates the most negative things about the games he can think of
colossal homosexual
If people can have a reductionist's eye towards XIV, why the frick can't I reduce BDO and New World to their core problems?
>takes sides like a mindless nvida vs amd drone instead of discuss the genre
this is a hopeless dumpsterfire
sides like a mindless nvida vs amd drone instead of discuss the genre
You want me to fricking discuss the absolute state of MMOs? Everyone tries to hype up for whatever the next big game is because of some pretty art and character creation videos, only to throw that all away because they're able to blitz through the game either in fear of being left behind or because they want to be the first to control a market or guild. Have you noticed how MMOs that slow you down with their story rather than letting you mash F or left-click to skip have players actually retain themselves within a game better than if they don't? Because players are afraid of fricking up and bricking their characters, just look at the shitshow that was Lost Ark where players were trying to be careful on what they spend their stuff on because the road to 1350 was intentionally made brutal by Amazon. If you force a player to pace themselves like in the Square Enix MMOs or GW2, they won't have to worry about rushing to endgame if they're immersed in said game, especially if they are hooked on said story and if they're not, tough shit. Barely anyone sane is interested in MMOs now that act as a second job or a way for you to flex in Asian countries, you have shit like Dungeon Fighter being the equivalent to WoW regarding how mazed and desperate players are, flexing how many completed Epic sets they have per character like how WoW troons flex how many mountmogcheevos they have.
New World is a theme park. What is there to do when a character has OK items? Approximately nobody wants to grind expertise, trade skills, and crafting for chances at slightly better equipment. You can push influence in a territory with your company doing WPvP and faction missions and fight wars over territory. For what purpose? To make money? For what? "Money, territory perks for professions and gathering, reduced traveling costs for your entire faction... IDK what are you expecting; do you really need more incentive for 'winning the game'?" So you're saying money is winning the game? You need to include variety and depth to your definition of "money". "Territory perks for professions and gathering" -- for what purpose? Reduced traveling costs are near inconsequential after trading posts became everywhere-delivery and Azoth costs became so low. Games should have risk.
Because of simultaneous characters being excitement and possible strategy and because of a persistent world, MMO is the best genre.
WoW's trinity and gap closers vs. CC is one of the deepest PvP designs in gaming.
It's not a sandbox.
The reasonable way to keep up with content is making a sandbox. Replace leveling; start all characters out with accessibility to all skills and professions and make size, speed, and some abilities come from gear. Durability repairs should cost sometimes-expensive materials. PvP servers should be full loot. Getting god equipment should be as easy as venturing out and doing respawning, map-announced PvE or buying it on the auction house. The best sets should allow players to attack groups. Gameplay should be skillful.
It's easy to do, but you can't refute removing items from the economy as the main source of activities and entertainment.
If you disregard XIV just because some people coom you're a moron who doesn't deserve fun games.
Correct about the other two games, although I wouldn't hold my breath regarding Dragonflight because Blizzard's development team is literally insane and has no idea what they are doing.
if he discards an MMO because people coom he has to discard all MMOs, it's been a shit since the first MMOs and will always be a thing
I wouldn't call FFXIV a fun game in the slightest.
Well, try it out and find out.
Too bad your opinions are shit and at the end of the day don’t matter
i tried it out but stopped at level 43. I got tired of being shoehorned into dungeons and not being able to do much questing in the open world
Yea, that's an ARR issue. The number of dungeons decreases in the future expansions. Push on I think.
the first game isnt that great, once you get into the expansions the game opens up and the things you can spend time doing if you feel like it really start to compound on each other
end game is another story and you can quickly get bored after grinding out outfits, casino, the card game, mounts etc
>It gets good 1000 hours in
Yes. Its one of the few games that lives up to the meme. The quality skyrockets after the base game. They replaced nearly all voice actors, bigger budget for music, more voiced scenes, better raid mechanics.
>They replaced nearly all voice actors, bigger budget for music, more voiced scenes, better raid mechanics.
I like how you listed 4 improvements they made and only one of them involves the actual video game.
You're too mazed to appreciate anything improving outside of raids. Were fully aware.
You're deeply autistic and dont consider anything other than raiding to be the actual game so honestly you should be lined up against a wall and executed like every other Tigole acolyte.
Oh. I fricked up the reply. It was for
I will live with my mistake.
>You're too mazed to appreciate anything improving outside of raids.
I mean, there are a million ways they could've improved the gameplay outside of raids. Not sure why you brought up raiding when no one else did.
Define gameplay you disingenuous rat.
the part where you play the game instead of just watching the game.
So any point where you are not actively pressing buttons doing something is not playing the game? I guess raiding isn't playing the game then since there are phase transitions. And combat isn't either since theres time between gcd's. That's rough I guess there is no gameplay I suppose you can move on now anon.
>So any point where you are not actively pressing buttons doing something is not playing the game?
Correct, gameplay refers to the part of the game where you're playing the game. It's hilarious that FFXIV players don't know this.
So if you are playing a fishing video game and waiting for a bite, the entire time that is not the actual bite, is not gameplay? Because I mean you're just sitting there.
Fishing barely has any gameplay, that is correct. No one who has played a video game before would disagree with that.
Thanks for concretely demonstrating to everyone in the thread that you are a moron.
That's not an argument, obviously.
I dont feel it necessary to explain to you that downtime can explicitly be a part of gameplay and is a major factor in game design. The fact the mere concept of it cannot enter your skill of its own volition tells me you do not have the faculties to comprehend the discussion were I to try.
>I dont feel it necessary to explain to you that downtime can explicitly be a part of gameplay
Downtime can be a part of gameplay, but movies can't be.
>fishing in XIV is incredibly detailed
lmao
what movies play while sitting and waiting for a fish?
None, which is why I conceded that fishing has some gameplay, just barely any.
I mean its not action packed like raiding, but fishing in XIV is incredibly detailed. Theres like 20 different skills depending on fish quality, size, time of day, quantity. And then you have to consider time of day, weather and bait choice. A far difference from say WoW where you just click and acquire fish depending on zone.
None of that is content.
>he didnt fish to make into buffs to raid better
lawlerpops
To my knowledge they do keep adding to said systems. Things like a aquariums, picture frames, werent in the game with housing. The fishing boat thing wasn't added till later. The Ishgardian Restoration for crafters to have a server wide scoring competition. In 7.0 they're overhauling character models, lighting, environmental textures and adding clutter to everywhere. They're also going back and redoing lighting, design and bosses for old dungeons to improve new player impressions.
Aren't they talking about SWTOR?
it's a shit game
XIV isn't a real mmo its a singleplayer/instanced lobby game.
And yet it still has more social functionality and features than worlo.
Please get to the later parts of the game where you raid in parties of 8 and 24. We aren't interested in hearing your opinion till then.
It's still shit.
You didn't know about these raids before I told you, so I think we can agree we don't need to believe your opinion.
If it's shit, why do you have so much time in it?
>BRO YOU DONT HAVE 2000 HOURS IN A GAME? HOW CAN YOU TELL IT'S SHIT?
Lmao this site I swear.
Why are you calling a game you're actively paying for shit? Do you pay for a lot of shit games often?
>addictive =/= good
I buy food at the cafeteria because its acceptable enough but I wouldn't call it good.
Drone
So you're just a weak willed moron and you're willfully admitting this to everyone in the thread?
Nope. I'm saying xiv is bad and you're a drone who can't accept facts.
You opinions is worth less than dirty
Spic.
If I'd quit after 5 hours, you'd say my opinion wouldn't count? So which is it?
I'd say giving it a fair shot and completing heavensward is when I would say your opinion would start to count. You are operating under the assumption that I am intent on discrediting any opinion, when in actuality I am just calling out your contradictory bullshit.
Man you even logged into the game during this very thread. How pathetic can you be?
>name calling when he can’t get his way
So not only are your opinions are shit, you’re too weak and stupid to just stop playing a game you hate. You best just have a nice day if you’re this mentally weak.
>calling out a spic
>NAME CALLING NAME CALLING I WIN!
What the frick is wrong with this place and defending spics?
homosexual you had just as egregious of a typo in your in game post don't act like you're the authority here in calling out ESL.
>ESL Hispanic still talking
Can't you just fricking proofread your fricking sentences so you don't make yourself obvious?
I'm not the moron you were calling Hispanic you fricking Black person. Proofread your in game posts before you try to post a screenshot demonstrating your complete lack of self control and inability to not play a supposedly bad game.
This is an insane amount of deflecting Jose
You're a dirty brown Hispanic and your game is shit
But you just stated that you cannot bring yourself to stop playing a supposedly shit game. If it is so shit, it should be easy to just...play another game? Or stop playing it in general. Yet you aren't doing this? What's the deal anon?
>addictive
For a game that doesn't force you to do dailies and has no FOMO, this is honestly a compliment.
It works off sunk cost from the dogshit main quest and absolutely does have daily incentives
>and absolutely does have daily incentives
hardly any? you have capped tomes which you are not pressured to get, weeklies for raids that most people aren't even doing savage of so its not a big deal, and what? Custom deliveries? Beast tribes? Half the playerbase doesnt even craft.
You don't lose out if you skip a week of dailies though. You don't get left behind. It's pretty chill. Check out dailies in other games. If you log in everyday in Lost Ark, you get a little present.
>daily incentives
Like?
But that's the opposite comment I made. Are you schizo?
>esl moron
>doesn't realize the irony of calling a game bad and shit despite putting thousands of hours into it and going so far as to log into said supposedly shit game to prove they've played it, simultaneously demonstrating they still play, AND are still paying for a sub
lol
You have trash tastes and ffxiv is good
almost ONE YEAR in a video game
>its shit hurr
8 people in an instanced room isn't a "MMO" or even close. That's the exact example of a lobby game. This describes 95% of meaningful content in the game. Even within this genre of content, which is the only place where any sort of communication or adaptability is required, most of it comes down to people quietly following guides they found online without actually speaking to anyone.
24 people sized raids were designed to be as painless as possible and is often treated like three, smaller raids ongoing at the same time. Instanced btw, so still just a lobby game.
What about FATEs though? True, not lobby, but designed to be basically feel like soloing and to be even more painless.
MMOs are fricking dead and FFXIV people popular just proves that. Personally I rather just play Monster Hunter and some looter shooters these days than just stick with a shitter version of lobby games.
World bosses and hunts would beg to differ, Those are NOT meant to be solo.
And then you have housing and minigames.
How is doing a raid with people NOT an MMO.
hunts are as social as riding the bus to work.
A and S class in current content... and for older stuff, hunt trains.
Come on, pretend you've played the game.
But that IS social. No one is talking about challenges. Jesus frick, you guys need to stop moving the goal posts.
Nothing will convince you guys, you'll lie or change the rules until you're right.
>A and S class in current content... and for older stuff, hunt trains.
Yes, which are about as social as riding the bus to work, like I said.
You team up with strangers on your bus to coordinate towards a goal?
Now, let's talk about party finder savages, extremes, and ultimates. How do you figure with that?
>You team up with strangers on your bus to coordinate towards a goal?
Yeah, that's exactly how public transportation works you fricking dunce. Do you think my fare alone would pay for gas?
Hunts are nice in theory but everyone literally runs a train on them, making it not challenging at all.
You dont understand its not an MMO until the game meets some arbitrary number of players in the raid that conveniently lines up with the game im playing
Stapling two 4-man MonHun sessions together and calling it a raid doesn't really change the fact that everything outside those instances may as well be botted. This is definitionally what it means to be a glorified lobby game.Yes, 24 raids are comparatively large, but there's a reason why they go out of their way to make them moronic with one or two exceptions.
Nier and Ivalice wreck people's shit all the time.
>everything outside raiding can be botted
yea, of course... that's why no FCs exist, no one goes to parties, or do events. There's no traveling bard groups. No one playing gambling games. No one plays triple triad or slice is right. No one does anything with others. That's why party finder is empty. That's why there's no overworld talking in cities. Why there are no one doing hunts or blue mage raids or chilling out doing treasure maps. Or no one doing sightseeing tours together. Or playing games like "Find me based on this screenshot" or people crafting together and chatting. Or people just sitting in hot tubs on top of kugane's jumping puzzles blabbing. And so forth.
XIV isn't a good game
>i-its better than wow
Yeah, NOW. When the peak of your game is only slightly better than the absolute rock bottom of another game then that's it exactly a good look
It's better than peak WoW for the past 2-3 years. Sorry.
wow was never good bro
they've returned to being a niche genre, similar to RTS.
zoomers think a game with 20k players is dead when really that's the best population for a game
Tower of Fantasy comes out in three days, and it's basically multiplayer Genshin. It'll have a decent enough audience just based off of that alone.
MMOs have become a catch-all for some of the worst monetization practices mixed with some of the worst gameplay/combat of any video game genre. There will be a bubble that pops and MMOs will return to being a niche that normies avoid due to the time required to actually enjoy/play them at a significant level.
But that game looks horrible and the only thing I seen it have over genshin is a character creator
>maybe it'll get better in dragonflight
you are beyond help if you think that for even one second
I still play Wizard101.
Based
Weeb opinions are invalid
>filters himself out of great shit because it was Made in Japan.
lel
Japan has never made anything great
Only Godly things then?
>soulsgay
Like I said. Japan has never made anything great
Pearl Harbor was thrilling
pearl harbor
gamecube
Berserk- RIP
the best quality electronics for like 20 years
toyotas
Hondas
need i say more?
>badonk
shut the frick up you didn't have a vigil for kazushi takanashi but you have one for filthy frank.
who are you quoting homosexual, i havent held a vigil for my own grandmother that shit takes effort, i just loved Berserk and miss it.
Don't worry bros, Ashes of Creation will save us.
I want to believe but I’m not excited at all right now
Dragon flight is looking like shit
Already bored of ffxiv
Think I’m going to grind a bit in tibia or Mu bros
Mmos are dead
>tibia
homie u a real og
hopefully you don't mean retail Tibia... absolute dogshit
Retain Tibia systems are bad but I give them credit for still cranking out tons of content.
whats the best new content to come out of tibia? also how tf do i lvl up a 170 ek fast?
Im out of the loop, but they just added a whole new island/continent this month with a new faction and new city for housing. And they're working on finally adding sound effects to the game this year.
sound effects in tibia? wow it only took 24 years kek
>Games that relied on socialization won't work anymore in a world of social media up to eleven
It's a mystery
The way world pvp works is enough for me to know 100% that the game will be shit
>weeb coomer bait
Nah, that's just the mods the install. It's fine.
A lot of companies are trying to chase the success of peak WoW, and missing a lot of the point along the way because in general they're doing two things WoW didn't really do; They're making content by rote, rather than creating anything new or interesting, they're just creating generic "MMO content" because it's a formula that is easy to replicate with little thought, and also they're focusing on monetizing in-game, which is something peak WoW never even thought about at all and so no design resources or time were ever spent on "How can we get people to also buy microtransactions?" which inevitably leads to making things inconvenient or more generic and grindy in order to have something to pay to bypass.
New World and all the others that came out and failed recently are examples. They retain a small player base but nothing worth talking about.
The real question is which in-development MMO is going to be the first to really break the mold with new content that isn't just the same generic shit we've all seen before, and also isn't trying to constantly bilk money out of people in-game. If I were betting man I'd say Ashes of Creation, but that's only because there's nothing else to bet on.
AOC will be unique but the combat still looks kinda ass and PVE gives me New world vibes, which is terrible.
I'll be playing it but i'm more interested in Riot's MMO. Cartoony graphics give better longevity and don't make your PC run like shit with more than 10 people around you.
>maybe it'll get better in dragonflight but it is yet to see.
Spotted a regretful Blizzdrone who is still enmeshed in a web of sunken costs fallacy.
Anyone who gives ANY benefit of doubt to Blizzard after the shitshow that was Shadowlands, should qualify as legally mentally disabled.
Ganker has unironically ruined XIV for me.
>Getting filtered by chantard shitposting
The community is garbage in game. Talking about the single player stuff is frustrating since Ganker is the most reactionary morons I've ever seen and the game has been babified to hell and back.
inb4 "toxic positivity"
Passive aggressive Black folk. Black folk that can't do simple aoes instead being a blogger moron in duty roulettes whining about moronic irl shit.
Every mmotard has some sort of mental illness and wants everyone to be their therapist. Statics are off their rockers on both ends and you'll never find an actual chill group that plays well.
Gotta be an NA issue but even my NA friends seem to disagree with you.
What server do you guys play on? I've NEVER had this issue and I'm closing on 4 years now.
Are you SURE its passive aggressiveness and not your misunderstanding?
It's hard to see outside the box when you're in the box, huh?
You are literally not allowed to directly criticize people in this game. You'll catch a ban if you say anything more than explaining how mechanics work. If you call out a single person, ding dong bannu. If you press an emote or spell more than 5 times in town, ban. If you say literally any naughty words around anyone who isnt a friend, ban. If you disagree with [Current popular political stance] you guessed it, banned.
This is more myth than truth. You can't call people homosexuals, sure. But you can comment on bad raid practices.
You cannot get banned for the emote/spell spam, at worse, a warning. it happened to a friend who was basically ERPing like the dumbass she was near someone else. (Not ACTUALLY ERPing, but she was being annoying as frick). No suspension, no ban, just a quick warning.
she deserves it. drunk or just in a weird mood and she gets annoying
>You are literally not allowed to directly criticize people in this game. You'll catch a ban if you say anything more than explaining how mechanics work. If you call out a single person, ding dong bannu.
Hyperbolic disinformation. You can criticize people as much as you like. You just can't be a dick about it.
>current popular political stance
there isnt a single instance of someone being banned over political bullshit that you can cite, unless you consider "telling gay people to kill themselves" a political stance.
You can 100% get banned for saying "I disagree with gay and trans culture being taught in schools." But you wont get in trouble for saying you approve of it, even if both statements are supposed to not be allowed.
Well for one, you're a massive homosexual for even bringing that shit into the game.
For two, theres a considerable difference between saying "i support x" and "i think people who support x are bad". One is support, the other is condemnation. And it's the condemnation aspect that catches you a ban.
If you say "I dont approve of the actions of BLM." in XIV you'll catch a ban for hate speech.
proof?
Why would you even get on that topic in the first place? I been playing for 8 years and never seen anything about trannies
????????????? Every single day in Uldah or Limsa shout chat theres a discussion on current political things. And if you disagree with leftist positions you'll absolutely get mass reported.
You're insane. What server are you playing on?
I avoid Limsa just in general but Uldah is the chillest place ever.
I never seen anything like that on primal ultros, sounds like you’re looking for trannies and gays.
Well no shit you play on some backwater server with 10 players. You live in the Oklahoma of XIV, which I guess admittedly has its perks too.
ultros was the designated Ganker server and one of the more popular primal servers but you wouldn't know that because you're a fricking moron balmemer. ultros is one of the larger primal servers.
>If you disagree with [Current popular political stance] you guessed it
??? You aren't calling people trannies right? Otherwise there should be no issue.
If a player comes up to you and yells TRANS RIGHTS and tells you to join in and you say no, thats a ban filed under hate speech. Had it happen to a friend.
Your friend from Canada? Whose name is Alberta and lives in Vancouver?
The shit you believe, kek
Get off Ganker then.
>filtered by barry posting like this shit thread.
yes now stop paying monthly to grind the same game for hundreds of hours when you could play enumerate other good games instead
Playing DAoC lately. Got into a nice 8man team last night and was just dunking multiple other 8man groups at once.
Really dynamic PvP.
i just bought the division two, thats an mmorpg and I like it. apart from the woke shit but i wasnt aware it had disabled black chicks in
What about Osrs
boomer grind game
just play swtor
Not OP but I probably will. I hear lots of bad shit about it but it might be a nice distraction.
I do play FF though so I might wait for 6.2 to drop first and then check it out
shit artstyle
cope
>ruins your server
>this is it boys we're going back to FF14!
>plays for 2 hours
>has a mental breakdown and stops streaming for another two months
>dood I can't deal with people telling me what to do
>gets mentally broken by 'an easy weeb game'
>gets bullied by 'weebs' despite being a big tough WoW raider
Jesus christ...
Asmon, if you're here, just push on through SB already and you'll at least have shit you 'like' to do.
But I don't even get why you are raiding in WoW anyway anymore
asmongold is a huge bandwagon hopping gay hole
No shit, apparently he is already thinking of trying throne of liberty.
lol i wont be playing that then. as a side note. anyone played for honour? ive managed to get it free on ubi connect. had a few games given to me for free. not sure why
A friend of mine but he has shit taste so that's a bad sign.
im guessing he likes it? i'll see if anyone else gives any recs or what have you and then i may go watch some vids. i have faith in the Ganker lads that aren't trans
I'm trans and I like the game quite a bit.
well thats that then
>*get falseflagged by wow andy pretending to be XIV andy*
>DOOD I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAMES I LIKE BRO
>*spends $2000 on Diablo Immortal*
Literally the biggest grifter in the streaming community.
It's even happened multiple times AND his mods know about it.
>deletes system 32
>THERE IT IS DUDE
God we can only fricking wish.
how will he cope when wow gets shut down
FF alone is making more and more money and is getting great reviews for more tahn 2 years now.
AoC is getting good hype, with a hiccup or two.
Is PoE an MMO?
Ashes of Creation looks like a passionate project, although it's led by an ass-sniffing aristocrat and the current state of it is a joke, so it's too early to tell. Yet I hope these money-chasing morons that are all across this planet don't destroy the artistic way of life, the few people who care about the little things which might grow into something else someday, even an MMO. One can just hope there'll be people who still enjoy what's inside of them. One can just hope.
>Focuses development and dozens of gimmicky features rather than to make core gameplay good and fun
>Despite using many modern rendering techniques and high fidelity assets somehow game looks like a vomit.
DoA
THIS WILL BE THE SIKKEST MMO TO EVER BE RELEASED
OH, I saw the trailers for it.
No hope. Looks like a single player game.
People have already started seeing issues with it.
like the division? ive yet to see anyone outside a safe zone. I do hope that the weird lookin fricks make the game and it is an mmo. i like the built up look it has. although when i played the division 2 recently and I was leaving the White house, i happened upon a street with a gunfight going off at the junction, exactly like in the day before trailer, and my immediate "cynical"thought was "they have copied this part for their trailer"... I really do want that game to be amazing though. did you see this vid? i am tempering my expectations but want to be hopeful however I will not pre order
Haven't seen it yet
>The Division
Thanks, I was trying to think of games that were similar to it but my mind blanked.
There was another one that popped into my mind: the joke zombie game.
>joke zombie game
aint gorra scooby, mate.
the video is good though, talks about why the day before is not looking great as an mmo
Yea I added it to my watchlater.
This is so generic it looks AI generated
because it most likely is. i dont like to shill youtube videos but force gaming did a pretty good deep dive on why that trash is going to flop immediately. if you don't want to give some youtube homosexual a view, you can instead look into the past projects of the dev team behind it, and the cause for alarm/concern regarding it should become immediately apparent.
i do agree, I just like the look of it and feel like being optimistic. I did link that video here
as it goes.
i can't find anything that's worth sinking a year of my life into and this sucks
days are going by of wasted xp because nothing is fun enough to commit to
i don't want in game cash shops.. i want to grind for gear
Runescape - ironman
FFXIV
It's been a while but ESO used to be good for this, smithing your own gear
i definitely wanted to try eso soon
i never liked ironman since that just feels like it defeats the point of being in an mmo, and.. idk i tried ff but i liked the world and community a lot more than doing the actual dungeon/raid content
ESO is a strange beast. I really liked but haven't gone back in years.
Just make sure the first time you played it, you don't get expansions. Every expansion has a unique beginning and if you buy it, your new character will be forced into the new expansions' beginning.
Stick to the original story FIRST.
Crafting is pretty cool, story is actually pretty good, quest storylines are great. Fully voiced acted and it's not just fetch quests. Characters were cool too.
Gameplay/combat is where it kinda falters. BUT highly customizable.
Yes, Ironman is a bit meh. But if you can resist playing Runescape and taking part in the shop (buying keys for the random chance loot shit), its a great game. You WILL grind and you WILL enjoy it. Best quest system ever. I am talking about RS3 but OSRS is great too, but its not as expansive as RS3
FF- how far did you get? ARR is not so great for trials, raids, dungeons, but the formula improves and by Stormblood its figured out the perfect pattern and uses it all throughout. The raids and trials also hit a peak. It's simply a slowburn. I'd say, play, enjoy the story, and eventually you'll hit the good shit.
BUT: if you don't enjoy it? Guess what: there's so much else to do. Crafting, masked carnivale, treasure maps, fishing, and so on. There's alot of cool shit to do. Relic weapons seem to be a possible interest for you. Endwalker's relic will be BIS, but the previous ones are filled with amazing glamour. They're grinds but worth it for great looking weapons (and armor in SB)
i definitely haven't touched rs3 since the eoc update, might check it out at some point but i kinda just prefer the older armor designs
i got to like mid 60s in ff, story just wasn't for me so i just burnt out rushing through everything trying to catch up, took a break to do some DoLs and pvp and gold saucer stuff but idk i just lost the will to keep going through the story
>EOC
You can turn on legacy mode. There are so many amazing quests awaiting you.
Yea I miss the old armor stuff for nostalgia but I grew to like the new stuff too.
Shame about FF, but ShB really is as amazing a story as they tell you.
>catch up
No need. You can take your time. There's no fear of missing out.
I'd still say push till you get into late Stormblood or ShB to see what the story becomes, but I get it, it really might not be for everyone.
I was NOT hooked by HW but SB kinda interested me and then ShB and EW floored me with its kino.
I heard eso is going to get a combat update, I’m probably try it out after the FFXIV 6.2 patch drops
Oh yea? Maybe I will too.
I stopped with Orsinium or whatever it's called, AND I LOVED IT. So I am super excited to try out the other expansions.
nah that's a (you) issue.
game?
Underage
I got to level 151 on schthack and outdamaged 200s on my ramar. Had a 103 Ramar on GameCube and another 77 racast. Hucast was my first character in 2003 and I got him to level 60 or something. I leveled another 120 Ramar on ephina. I miss and love PSO so much I wish it had gotten more episodes. PSO with 4x more content and it would crush all games. All it needed was more level campaigns like ep1 and 2. It had the levels being grindy so it easily could have had more content and special weapons. I miss that game so much it was close to perfection more games need the Diablo style system like it had in 3d not too down combat
Gee billy, how come the jannies lets you have 3 worlo threads up at once?
oh Ganker mods are HIGHLY HIGHLY biased.
But I don't mind, it's a kind send off to this dying game.
I'll considering getting back in one of these again.
Played them last time 10 years ago, I also considered TERA Online but the game is literally dead.
Man I'm getting too old don't want new MMOS I just want to have fun.
>cabal
the only thing that kept me playing that game for as long as i did was the music
Guys this is my 4th static already. I want to get out of Thordan's wild ride...
Oh god, I feel your pain. I've been it 3 times now, with BASICALLY the same static (one person switched one btween 1 and 2, 2 between 2 and 3)
but it's ROUGH.
Thank god next one won't be as hard.
It's fun as frick, but it's I can't wait to be done with it. One more run and I can take a looong break.
Mmo's aren't dead, WoW is though.
>eso is singleplayer
And that's a good thing, players that want to play with others can but you aren't forced to. That's a good design.
>queue simulator
>queue simulator
>MMO with bland gameplay
MMOs died in the late 2000s. Social media meant that socializing with people in game's was no longer novel, and living a "second life" in an MMO didn't make sense anymore. Smartphones added to this and also gave people ADD which makes it harder to get into slow, grindy games like MMOs. Around this same time everyone started playing faster-paced multiplayer console games like CoD. The only people who kept playing WoW and other MMOs from this point on were people who had already gotten hooked on them.
>are mmos dead?
More or less, yes.
But it's always funny to see, what mmos are still alive nowadays.
I saw that Vindictus for example is still alive so I returned for the gameplay, no other mmo comes close.
New World
>FFXIV isn't a single player game
Bruh I literally played from 1-30 with irl friends and was FORCED to play alone 95% of the time because all the bullshit story instances that forced you to constantly drop party and it was easier to just progress alone and meet up at the next dungeon unlock.
And then even that turned practically single player. For dungeons other players could literally be replaced with bots and nothing would change.
FF14 is a trash game and anyone who disagrees didn't want to actually play an MMO and just wanted a singe player with an optional multiplayer dress up ERP mode.
>1-30
>few hours
What about trials?
Yea, it's not a very other player heavy game when you do MSQ but outside it, its got plenty.
Most raids are heavy with players, and so other other things outside the msq.
>1-30 is only a few hours is you have hundreds of hours in the game and know how to powerlevel!
why are mmotrannies like this?
No, idiot. Getting to lvl 30 is basically a prologue that takes a few hours max. Game doesn't even open up till 50. Hit 50 and then the game is open.
Not hundreds of hours.
>powerlevel
Unnecessary, and it screams "I know nothing about FF and haven't played it". You just do MSQ till 50.
You dont even unlock your real job until level 30 you fricking homosexual moron. You dipshit morons with your instant gratification spergery are infuriating. MMO's are a slow burn. They are meant to last a long time, and always be there.
>power leveling
>ffxiv
>powerlevel
>trash game
It's not trash whatsoever. you can say its not an MMO, but it's strong overall.
>95% because of instances
there's not that many, boyo
final fantasy 14 is absolutely shite
Kek. Shit taste.
you know nothing of my taste, quare
You posted your taste though.
no, i said a game was shite. it is, objectively shite, nothing subjective about my opinion.
>>gets mentally broken by 'an easy weeb game'
>>gets bullied by 'weebs' despite being a big tough WoW raider
>Jesus christ...
>Asmon, if you're here, just push on through SB already and you'll at least have shit you 'like' to do.
>But I don't even get why you are raiding in WoW anyway anymore
FF14 is a shitty MMO / Online game with bad gameplay (lol people thinks combo 1, 2, 3 with many AOE is deep ?)
Itemisation is the worst think I see on any RPG Games... greed is absolute boring and for nothing
Just playing for story, but when people call "best mmo ever" I just want nuke all weeb i see.
++ : Changing Jobs is cool and glam too
>same old tired arguments
>still ignoring weaving
I sleep.
No, FFXIV is still enjoyable for me even with 9000+ hours played
the only way to play wow in 2022 is with singleplayerproject. private servers are all either dead or scams, retail wow is the internet's lolcow and classic wow is either dead or a scam
>singleplayerproject
what is that? I can see the github and stuff but can you solo raids? is it challenging?
basically it's solo wow but you can have hundreds or thousands of bots. the bots will roam around playing the game like you, you can do dungeons, raids and battlegrounds with them. it just makes the world feel alive, but the bots themselves aren't perfect at all, but just having them around will make it more fun, like world pvp is a thing again and whatnot
>classic
Man, Nostalrius really was great. Non of that shit applied.
Wtf happened to classic. O yeah it's called blizzard.
Play Ni no kuni
Yeah i can`t believe what happened to nostalrius. Damn at least we can rebuild in wow turtle
so is this like street fighter 5 in which everyone starts saying the whole genre is dead because the devs of the top game started acting moronic while trying to act like other game in the genre dont exist?
world of warcraft is objectively more weeb than ffxiv.
How is FFXIV even a weeb game anyway ? It’s fricking made by Japanese people. I swear morons don’t know what the word weeb means anymore
It's not, final fantasy is also explicitly a westaboo series.
Exactly.
There ARE some weeby tropes but not too much.
Basic knowledge of a game series is not something mmo tribalists care to educate themselves on. They will continue to scream weeb long after this thread, since the term has already been bastardized so much people have completely forgotten its initial definition and think it just means "japanese le bad".
Basically they need an excuse to dismiss it and picked weeb, because it has no meaning anymore.
What. The player base has weeaboos but it's not that big.
guys it is the player base that makes a game weeb not the developers
That make zero fricking sense
Elaborate without making yourself look moronic.
I grew up in a small town, very normal, anime didn't hit really. People were playing the FRICK OUT OF FF11.
(also, WoW and Runescape, but that's besides the point.)
I think FF11 and 14 we can call the same weeby level. I get taht FF pulls more towards the weeb spectrum but a shitton of normal people play it. Never forget that lots of people even from WoW went to it (before Asmon, but also during his playthrough)
Final Fantasy as whole is NOT a weeb franchise. People do not equate it with anime surprisingly. FFX somehow avoided that title too.
My life got so much better after dropping ffxiv and never playing any MMOs again bros, you should try it
Yeah? What do you do now anon?
Sorry that you have no self control
>life so much better
>still on Ganker
I high doubt that
Kek. How? It's not a game that demands you log in and do shit. I can grind it for hours, or, like now, I can put it on standstill and play other games.
>Every content cycle is the exact same shit with every expansion giving fewer extra dungeons each patch
>Raiding is fricking exhausting
>Encounters are static as frick. Good healers can map out their cds for an entire fight and will never have to adjust unless someone fricks up
>Playerbase is awful and keeps getting worse
I don't know man, for me the game feels like it's stagnating and I felt the same way when I actively played it
>every content cycle is the exact same shit
>but only when talking about how raid tiers are released
>i will conveniently ignore the existence of eureka, bozja, the new criterion dungeons, and anything else that does not fit my blatantly false narrative.
>eureka and bozja
I guess those would be enjoyable if you enjoy lots of mindless grinding. Baldesion Arsenal was a cool idea
>Criterion dungeons
I haven't played endwalker but good to see there's some innovation when it comes to dungeons.
I have 2 ultimates under my belt.
I'm just listing some of the reasons why I quit playing, but you seem to take it very personally. Are you ok anon?
Yes eureka and bozja are fun, bozja is really fun with the boss fates and solo fights
You got called out for being wrong and you try to turn it on me. Classic. How did you miss the huge updates in 6.2?
Are you actually a moron?
We have TWO new types of dungeons. Not two new dungeons. Two new TYPES of dungeons.
We have island sanctuaries.
Last expansion we had Bozja, before that Eureka.
>encounters are static
How are you doing in the ulimates? are you still stuck at extremes?
>Encounters are static as frick. Good healers can map out their cds for an entire fight and will never have to adjust unless someone fricks up.
Isn't that the case for all raid encounters? Like look at WoW the mods literally have timers to let you know when things are happening.
Play Albion. It's the only MMO left that isn't in maintenance mode, run by israelites or only enjoyable on a russian private server.
none of those apply to xiv stupid laundry cat.
Inb4 they post that same picture of the FFXIV cash shop with 90% of the stuff being event stuff.
The cash shop is a fair point ignoring the event items. The number of outfits being added lately has been pretty excessive.
But 99% of them are trash and the stuff in game is better
A lot of them have shoes or gloves or pants that go really well with things. And theres no option to buy individual parts. Regardless it doesn't matter if they're shit. They should be earnable in game.
Albions combat sucks. Top down moba chat is garbage. If someone cloned Albion but it had world of warcraft combat or teras combat it would destroy all video games by a country margin
That's basically what Ashes of Creation is doing. New World tried it as well.
lmao maybe when AoC comes out in 10 years, if they dont go bankrupt by then. They're too busy making ducks with 10 billion polygons and promising 5000 new features a week.
I have little faith in Ashes of Creation. New world failed. Albion and Wow have 1 thing in common and art style that aged well (classic wow). You need a more cartoony art style that is simple. Realistic like graphics do not age well at all. New world looks like shit too
Anon most people today actually despise open world PvP. Especially if it has any kind of item drop or exp loss on death. Its why all those games are niche or dead by now. Those kind of people just go play Rust or Tarkov.
Only fun pvp is in zones that’s pure skill based with everyone having the same equipment, hp, and skills.
It's not open world pvp that people despise, is specially MMO pvp for the simple fact is not competition, is the max level killing low levels who has absolutely no way to retaliate, if people didn't liked pvp, shit like moba and batlle royales wouldn't be popular
People like battlegrounds and arena PvP in MMOs.
People like open world pvp when they're the higher level and hate it when they're the lower level.
Of course they love it, no other genre rewards a dozen of autists from day 1 the power trip of literally bullying into submission the weaker player, they consider a medal of honor to make them ragequit the game, and then go cry and complain that their game is dead
People hate arena pvp
Bg pvp is fine because your death isn't the end of the world. Even suiciding can be useful if you drag it out enough
If this is true then MMOs are truly dead. For this type of player there is only the WoW-style theme park, and that has been done to death. No one will top the early years of WoW when it comes to casual theme park MMOs.
GTA Online is pretty much the only successful game that has open world pvp, and even then it's opt-in and not full loot.
>are mmos dead?
yes and I'm free
You will never be free, you will forever be looking for a mmo to play
I'm getting the itch
Despite the game being a humongous pile of shit and Bliz devs going out their way to shit up the old content while milking it to death for nostalgia wank
Classic wuld be my favourite game if people actaully plyaed it instead of boosting. I play on firemaw alliance and literally no one is doing deadmines
Classic was fun for about a year
Entire guild quit few weeks after tbc
I feel like wotlk is going to die even faster and retail community is so bad that I rather not
My
Only options are old ass mmos
stop playing mmos and play POE
>is a single player. You never have to interact with other players
True for all MMOs in your list
>maybe it'll get better in dragonflight
spoiler: it wont
Why does this game attract such a huge cult fanbase? It wasn't this bad until wow refugees came in waves.
Bad breakup?
Apparently yes, refugees needing justification that they made the right jump. People who don't know you dont' need to defend it.
>you can't think alcohol is bad if you're an alcoholic!
lmao
Pretty bad take. This isn't a gambling game that thrives off an addiction.
No it's an erp game that thrives off an addiction
It still uses daily and weekly options to get people to login consistently
So you actively ERP? You've erp'd for 225 days?
Depends. MMOs were significant because the technology for having a massive, consistent world, was new in the early 00s. Now you can do massive multiplayer online games significantly easier than it used to be. So the technology didn't go away.
A lot of people were playing WoW because it was popular, like how a lot of folks were playing LoL after it. The game wasn't especially good, but everyone was playing it. So, everyone played it.
MMORPGs never managed to recapture that popularity outside of XIV because everyone saw that WoW was the theme park MMO and they decided to clone WoW instead of making something unique or different from it. That's why EvE Online and Planetside 2 sustained for so long, being different. But you could see that those niche games never got the same popularity.
XIV came by and did another theme park MMO with another well loved franchise and it worked really well. It's still heavily populated today. WoW is only on it's way out because it's so old and very few people are interested in seeing the story continue.
I can tell you though, what is dead are the pvp/trading centric MMOs. EvE is the only one left. New World died moments after release. And I regret buying it. Guild Wars 2 hangs on, but it's pvp is all instanced.
Some game will come by eventually that will rekindle my love for MMOs, and it'll probably be a theme park. But it will be a new game.
I have never heard this before. What a cool original idea. Is like social media the real mmo now? Woah mind blown. You should post this on reddit since its already formatted
GW2 any good atm, i tried wow(Deader then dead), XiV was boring, eso is alright and Lost ark how does this game have so many bots?
Been watching a few ashes of creation videos lately, i think the general direction is improving but the game is still maybe 5 years out and maybe a scam since the guy who made it sold some sort of Mircle water but looks nice.
GW2 is terrible and also far more dead than WoW
Gw2 is still pretty alive, it's also the only MMO that has players group up and be social together in the world fighting bosses together. I can't stand the waiting for a queue to pop """gameplay"""
>hunts magically dont exist
Anon is wrong about his whole spiel about the political shit but the community is actually pretty bad at keeping politics/religion and all that jazz away from the game.
One discord isn't the entire community. You can pull this shit out for youtube content creators, for any game, for book clubs, to anything.
I'm not interested in seeing discord shit.
Bad news bro. FFXIV lives on discord and discord groups.
Can you rephrase this please, because I don't understand your weird comment.
Man I spent years of my life arguing politics over trade chat in WoW. You can't keep politics away from games, because they keep happening around us in our daily lives. The best way to get a break is to take time for yourself and balance your life better. Shut off chat for a while and play, or solo for a bit.
But why though? The only politic talk in public should be a shut the frick up.
People will be people, anon. Just like how there's endless politics on Ganker despite it being the VIDEO GAMES board. Politics happens in video games, and people talk about politics because they're adults and our lives are political. And desiring to endlessly run away from that reality is cowardice.
You'll have to talk about things you don't like sometimes. It's important to not burn yourself out, but it is important that you not shut yourself out either.
>Lotro quietly continues its comfy existence
Keep it secret, keep it safe.
I wish Neverwinter was still good. That game has huge promise. I'm considering trying LOTRO but it hasn't grabbed my attention.
impossible to get inito it as a new player wgich means it's going to slowly die
Didn't it fall into a trap recently where it gave out a level boost that can overwhelm newbies? Even DDO is more forgiving for a newbie.
I started around a year ago dont know where that idea comes from. Im not minmax metagamer so maybe obsessed raidtards is who struggle enjoying it
>the games needs you to treat it as a second job and spend hundreds of hours to get to "endgame"
>endgame is just mindless killing the same boss over and over again trying to get that less than 1% gear
>why is our outdated niche game dying? Everyone should no life like us for months
>maybe it'll get better in dragonflight
you homosexuals say this every expansion and it never happens
you need to let go
The first MMO experience you may see in FFXIV is city states except Ul'dah unless you're in Balmung. Then Frontline, Diadem and The Firmament in Heavensward, Eureka Forbidden Lands in Stormblood, Bozja/Zadnor in Shadowbringers. Each MMO experience is gated unfortunately and you need to pour incredible amount of time.
>"Man I hate politics in my games"
>"now excuse me, I'm gonna log in and says I hate trannies"
The state of Ganker
>Game has a chat where people talk about trans stuff
>"Can we stop talking about trans stuff and talk about the game-"
>"WTF GUYS REPORT THIS INCEL CHUD HES NOT AN ALLY"
I feel like you're making up scenarios where you're the victim.
he is. None of this shit happens but he heard it once in a dream.
i just hate when the community does moronic shit like this
Good thing my boss just let me move my 5 days off back two weeks.
What's the issue? They seem totally positive and normal.
Yoshida is a corporate businessman all the same. His tears are fake. People in the XIV community worship him like cultists because he made some good decisions (See: copy WoW) and turned a game around. So apparently that means hes forever immune to criticism.
So what you want everyone to tear him apart because the video game had to be delated 2 weeks, which is the first delay in like 8 years since the game came out?
Copied WoW and then improved it.
>his tears are fake
Not so sure. He's not an actor. NEVER forget that Japanese mentality about lateness is a HUGE fricking deal. If a train is late, you get a card stating (to your boss), it's not your fault.
Obvious Yoshi isn't your friend, but he can be a developer with skill.
Also Ganker used to suck Gaben's dick for decades
>improved
Worse netcode
Worse classes
Worse content
Worse races
Worse community
And yet, hmmm, strange. Quaint. The game seems to be going up in population unlike the other.
I don't know, man, what are you comparing it to? Hopefully not WoW, because it beats it out in almost all those fields.
>content
Doesn't FF have more than 7 times the amount of content than WoW? If not even more?
>community
It only wins best community every year.
Races, I might give you, as WoW has more interesting ones.
Running old content for the sake of it isn't content. You've been tricked into believing this by them. XIV has way less current raid encounters, and less dungeons. And Criterion will be a joke compared to M+. Housing, crafting and gathering isnt 'content.'
>crafting and gathering isnt content
>in an mmo
have a nice day post haste what the actual frick is this abortion of a post
It can be content, but in FFXIV it isn't. Even WoW's gathering has you exploring the world a bit. FFXIV's gathering just sends you to the same 3 nodes over and over.
You've clearly never gathered in your life if you think thats all gathering is. You're ignoring the existence of unspoiled nodes, collectibles, and folklore books.
>teleport to an area at a certain time
>fly to the shiny node location
>press buttons in a set order
>collect
Wow engaging gameplay
Im uh, not sure how this is worse than WoW's "Fly to nodes and click to auto gather them."
>fly in a singular path and right click node one time before moving onto next node on minimap is somehow more engaging than what you just posted according to you
wowgays are delusional.
>set order
Well, no. You actually have to make decisions and rely on some RNG because on your choices. With gear, your best choice change, based on GP and so on.
Have you actually NEVER gathered unique shit?
Have you tried gathering the valuable materials? Shit that is needed for higher level scrips or interesting crafting recipes?
Now tell me, how is HOUSING not content?
>how is HOUSING not content?
because it's just shitty 3d modeling software with a chat room. it barely has anything to do with the game.
>Its not slaying dragons for higher ilvl gear so its not content
NEXT
That's not what I said. Reading comprehension.
>You know you can change your housing aesthetic and fill it up with furniture, inside and out, however you like right?
Yeah, hence it's just shitty 3d modeling software.
game isn't related to the game
What core mechanics are involved in housing? Which jobs do you play in the house?
>What core mechanics are involved in housing? Which jobs do you play in the house?
You really are idiot. The game isn't just about combat. It's literally a world you can take part in. WoW really IS the only MMO you played. Runescape and ESO has this shit too.
Crafting jobs play a HUGE part as you can construct furniture.
>The game isn't just about combat.
Then why is the entire story and job design created and balanced around combat setpieces? Why is combat the only form of combat with any sort of depth whatsoever, while all other content is less engaging than Mario?
>the only form of combat
content*
Crafting has quite a bit depth. So does housing and exploration and sightseeing and gold saucer (all its minigames) and so on.
Combat isn't the only thing. MSQ uses combat because obviously you are the WoL and people like combat.
But, games can have other content. You have crafting quests, gathering quests, puzzle quests, grinding quests, normal story quests, etc.
I'm so sorry you have never played a game besides WoW.
>which core mechanics are involved in housing
crafters that make the housing items
crafters who use the materials from the gardens on your housing plot
crafters using the furniture and tool tables that boost crafting stats
battle classes that use targeting dummies
battle classes that dont level crafters so they have somewhere quick to return to, to sell or repair.
I hope you aren't a guy who says FF is single player, because then bashing Housing which is a huge community deal is gonna look VERRRY hypocritical.
If housing is "multiplayer gameplay" then so is any other chat room on the internet.
>housing is gameplay, look at all of the homosexual window dressing you can put up after you've done non-housing related gameplay
lmao
Yes in a real mmo housing is content because mmos are meant to be social, but because wow Black folk have only have muh raid it has gone to shit.
>mmos are meant to be social
Putting a chat room on top of side-content modeling software in your single player movie isn't how to design a social MMO, I'm afraid.
clearly you're not an expert on how to design a social mmo and any opinion you put forth should be discarded though since you think the only content that matters or is of value is combat though.
You have clearly never played mmos for long if you think mmos aren’t meant to be social.
>Game has won best community best social game like every year at every convention
???????????????
>Game has won best community best social game like every year at every convention
Even if this was true (it isn't), unironically citing gaming awards is a giga-kek.
Pathetic cope.
It's time to move on and take the L. You've outted yourself as an idiot.
You know people go to parties with live DJs, play gambling games, and so forth right? Have entertainment and everything.
I'm so sorry no one invited you, but I can't blame them seeing how stupid you are.
>I'm so sorry no one invited you
You don't have to be invited, these spergs are practically begging people to show up lmao.
THEN GO.
>social mechanics.
You're behind on the times, friend.
What an autistic moron you are.
You got fricking destroyed and you can only whine "l-lmao"
Showing off achievements through housing has been a staple of the genre since its inception.
Pretty sure that anon is a raidgay who doesn’t think any content outside of raiding or leveling isn’t real.
Im pretty sure hes just shitposting for fun. I do the same. I'll go into these threads and argue for both sides. Dance puppets dance.
Sad thing is your legitimately can’t tell if someone is really that stupid or just shitposting now.
>Showing off achievements through housing has been a staple of the genre since its inception.
Literally no one calls the achievement screen in WoW "content".
you're not an expert on how to design a social mmo
Clearly none of the people behind FFXIV are either lmao.
I didn't say mmos weren't supposed to be social. Reading comprehension, little guy.
I will rape your face and then rape your dog
>clearly none of the people behind ffxiv are experts on how to design a social mmo
>except for the fact its widely regarded as the most social of the current mmo giants
>and the fact it has all this content that you have decided is "not content" because its not combat, and is instead a social feature
>except for the fact its widely regarded as the most social of the current mmo giants
FFXIV is lauded for its single player story, not its terrible social mechanics.
Why did you edit what I wrote? Are you mentally ill?
>FFXIV is lauded for its single player story, not its terrible social mechanics.
Except their own advertisements put the social features at the forefront of the game. Which means that's clearly the features they think best represent it.
>Except their own advertisements put the social features at the forefront of the game.
You mean you were able to cherrypick the one ad where they prioritized social features.
They mention crafting, gathering, and the golden saucer near constantly what the actual frick are you talking about you mentally ill moron.
Where are the gold saucer, crafting and gathering mentioned in either of the two major trailers for the new expansion?
You mean they aren't in there at all? It's almost like they're an afterthought.
>Why are crafting and gathering not showcased in this explicitly story based cinematic?!!?!
Alright you're trolling.
It shows combat, so why wouldn't it show theother features that are apparently as important as combat?
What part of the cinematic trailer shows combat in game?
It doesn't show the in-game combat, because it's not rendered in real time. But it does show combat, including abilities and jobs that are featured in the real-time combat.
I don't see any gathering jobs or abilities.
Here you go.
?t=247
>This moron is about to tell me this doesn't count
>3 seconds of 8 crafters/gatherers standing around in the same shot
>in a trailer featuring literal minutes and dozens of shots of combat
Wow yeah, you can tell crafting/gathering is a real priority for them.
Completely assblasted. Destroyed beyond belief. Crying to his mother.
>>NO NO NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT AVEEEEEE MAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA
I never said it didn't count. It does show that they care about crafting/gathering enough to feature them for 3 seconds in a 5 minute trailer, and I conceded to that.
>where are the crafter/gatherer actions
>post the gather actions
>NO NO NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT AVEEEEEE MAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA
They show hildy in the 6.1. That's a sidequest.
Besides, trailers show very little of the actual game, generally just story elements. All liveletters go into the detail of ALL aspects of the game.
FRICKING WRECKED
Troll post.
let's move on.
ah yes, marketing material, the ultimate reflection of reality.
FFXIV are the biggest corporate bootlickers of all time. i've never seen a bunch of spergs so eager to cite fricking metacritic and keighley tier awards to "prove" how good their game is lmao.
Logically speaking why would a project EVER market itself on its weaknesses? Spoiler it fricking wouldn't.
Games advertise themselves on their weaknesses all the time. Like how Fable marketed itself on its terrible good/evil alignment features, and how Cyberpunk 2077 marketed itself on how you can be a troony.
except the good/evil alignment features in fable were good and added enjoyable depth to the game. And character creation in cyberpunk was about the only decent thing to come out of that abortion of a title. So good job proving yourself wrong I guess?
>except the good/evil alignment features in fable were good
execution wise they were lacking a bit but otherwise the flavor it added to a playthrough was enjoyable. What exactly is wrong with it, you reductive homosexual?
No need to prove. Numbers and money is evidence.
Especially when WoW has... nothing?
Wasnt Shadowlands the best selling expansion/game in history when it came out?
First question: Was it good?
no.
Sales and sub count determine if something is good, not a vocal minority whining on forums and reddit.
>sub count
About that....
Well theres no evidence that its low. The lack of evidence is not an admission of guilt.
>Gathering
solo and the economy doesn't matter other than making a quick buck after patches
>Free Companies
a chat room? WOW
>Housing
you get to place and look at stuff in a virtual environment, cool! Oh wait, you have get lucky first.
>Fashion
Something you can do in every RPG videogame, including solo ones
>Shitty Mini-Games like the overrated Triple Triad meme
mostly a solo grind, and who gives a shit?
>Crafting
solo and the economy doesn't matter other than making a quick buck after patches
>gathering and crafting are solo
>Except for the fact that the entire economy of crafting and gathering for raids is based around finding yourself a designated crafter to put them on payroll for your raid pots and food for prog
Delusional.
Thats not been a thing since HW. They streamlined crafting and leveling so much that like 90% of players are omnicrafters now.
Thank you for making an even more compelling argument that crafting and gathering are important to the game otherwise why would half the playerbase be doing it?
Something being important or useful doesnt mean its content. Nobody said crafting wasnt useful.
It's fully optional.
If its useful and helps you progress how is it not content?
Because its not a system of combat. Thats the only thing thats actually important when gauging 'content' for a MMO.
No one says it's impossible to incorporate non-combat systems into a game, but FFXIV does an awful job of it. It's extremely obvious that 90% of their resources go into the combat and the story.
And yet its widely agreed XIV has the best modern crafting and gathering systems in the genre. And tons of their resources go into adding new housing items each patch. That includes not just the decorations, but orchestrions and fish.
>And yet its widely agreed XIV has the best modern crafting and gathering systems in the genre
I actually heard that New World despite all it's bugs has some of the best gathering and crafting
I heard that too till I saw gameplay for it.
Worst issue is how things get upgraded.
I personally don't think FF is the best in it but it's okay. Better than average I guess.
Its definitely up there, as well as the nice new music system. Maybe New World can turn it around in a year or two.
Gathering is comfy because of the graphics and sound effects, also the node system actually makes them feel more valuable since they're on respawn timers. The crafting however, is something I don't understand being praised. You literally just add all your ingredients and press a button, which is straightforward but boring and even comes with a gacha system affecting your perks and overall item level. It's trash.
They seem to be making crafting and gathering more brainless with every expansion though. It's like they are annoyed they started with an innovative and deep system and are trying to get rid of it. Doesn't most crafting these days come down to downloading a lengthy macro and playing it constantly anyway?
except thats absolutely not true you fricking homosexual. your mind has been poisoned by 21st century game design distilled from tigoles nipple sweat.
People would absolutely love player housing in WoW if you could put up shit like statues and banners that showed people you got cutting edge achievements. Or those 100% quest lore achievement ones giving you a housing item.
I still can’t believe WoW doesn’t have fricking dyes
WoW players love their mounts. They should unironically give them like a ranch house and let them put like 10 of their rarest, favorite mounts to roam the field. Maybe a little race course.
Wow mounts are fricking trash compared to ffxiv mounts, they don’t even play a different ost when you ride them
>i didnt say mmos were supposed to be social
so now you don't even know what an mmo is?
Are you aware that FF is totally destroying it in the social aspect?
Then it is what you're saying. You're trying to insist that only combat is content. Housing incorporates tons of mechanics beyond placing the items themselves.
>Fish that you gather can be places on placards or into aquariums to look at, hundreds of them in the game
>Paintings can be placed in your house, and each painting is acquired by exploring each zone 100%
>Food items can be crafted and placed to give buffs to FC members
>Crafting stations can be placed to give buffs to low level crafters
>Plants can be grown in pots in housing for crafting items that are otherwise unobtainable
>FC/guild housing has its own system of building and sending out ships and subs (Think Garrison dailies) for materials, housing items, gil ,etc
>Every bit of content in the entire game drops music scrolls for that zone or boss that can be played in said house
How is the housing not important content? Nearly everything in the game gives something for housing.
You know you can change your housing aesthetic and fill it up with furniture, inside and out, however you like right?
>playing game isn't related to the game
What a brainlet
let's just admit it: you're jealous. The game has shit you never can do in whatever game YOU like and you have to seethe and cope and say "its doesn't matter" because you know you can't compare.
What does old content mean? Is Masked Carnivale old? Is Blue mage raiding old? Is relic weapons old?
None of it is "for the sake of it", it's for the fun
>Criterion will be a joke
Seethe. And never forget we still have savages
>all this content isnt' content
This really is cope. You can't exclude shit just because you want to seem right.
>If a train is late, you get a card stating (to your boss), it's not your fault.
Same thing in France yet we don't give a frick about everything being late.
>Yoshida is a corporate businessman all the same. His tears are fake.
Is this about Soken beating cancer?
YoshiP love might be too much but it's deserved. He's a chill little fricker. I'd grab a beer with him.
Dresses up, sings, humble, etc. Have you seen his interviews?
moron. Yoshida adores criticism. He isn't a snowflake like WoW's current producers.
They dont give a shit about gaijin criticism though. Things only get changes when it affects JPs or is catastrophic.
Fantastically untrue my deeply autistic one man reporting crusade on Primal caused lasting, permanent changes to the ToS before Endwalker launch.
>actually posting his own fan theories
Please, frick off already. People have submitted ideas from all around the world and certain things have been implemented.
Good, gaijin are fricking moronic
>Yoshida adores criticism.
he ignores most of it, though. the idea that yoshiP is more receptive to criticism than WoW's devs is hilarious. we get multiple blueposts every week. where's all of YoshiP's communication?
>where's all of yoship's commmunication
the lodestone
the 70+ multi hour long livestreams where he talks about the patch content and communicates with the playerbase
the official forums
There. Multiple outlets of communication
>blue posts
lmao.
>the lodestone
this is 90% generic news. where are all the huge deep dive posts by the devs like the ones Scarizard makes?
>the 70+ multi hour long livestreams
you mean the streams where they take 7 hours to show you a 15 minute powerpoint presentation? i remember watching one of these pre-endwalker and they spend like 45 minutes introducing characters everyone already knows about lmao.
>the official forums
haven't seen any devs posting there.
>you mean the streams where they take 7 hours to show you a 15 minute powerpoint presentation?
no i mean the hours of talking that is taking place during the powerpoint presentation because he's actually talking about shit and not just reading the slides but you either dont speak japanese or you're too moronic to use the live translation OR you're too moronic to read the digest they release in english a week or two later fully translated.
>because he's actually talking about shit
he just repeats the same banal talking points over and over. seriously, watch the segment where they announced the stat squish. it's 30 minutes straight of them repeating the same 3 things over and over.
it really wasnt and you might have brain damage.
It really was. The amount of time it took them to say "the numbers will be smaller but your character power won't change" was utterly insane. Liveletters are blatantly padded to shit.
This was Pre-EW right? yea, that might have dragged, but it's an anomaly.
Nah hes actually right on that one. The stat squish thing should have been a 3 minute talk but Yoshida had to spend like an hour assuring morons that their characters werent getting weaker, because people cant comprehend stat squishes somehow.
Telling you what in a patch isn't player communication.
>we are doing x because of y
>this is what is coming in the next patch
>we've had players share concerns of z, this is what we are going to do about it
>these planned features are being moved to this date
>this is why we're changing this skill
>players requested this glamour item
Every single line I just posted has taken place during a live letter you degenerate little homosexual.
atleast its something, unless yoship cries for half the shit because they had to delay a fix for 2 minutes.
WoWs shit spends 99% of the time using buzzwords for features that are just not gonna get supported or downright cut. but atleast its like 10 minutes long and gives you everything you need.
the only reason he cried was because it was the first time they had to delay a planned release in eight years of service anon. the japanese take that shit really seriously.
>dude cries once
>moronic Black folk act like he cried nonstop when things don’t go his way
He cried like three times when Soken got cancer and when NA and EU were having server problems when ARR first launched.
he cried 3 times total over a 9 year span.
once due to the issues during arr launch because he was overworked and trying to salvage the game.
once, eight years later, when it was publicly revealed his friend had cancer, right after his other friend (author of dad of light) died of cancer.
one final time, when they broke an 8 year streak of not missing a deadline.
It's not that big of a deal and the degree to which people are latching onto it is concerning.
Well that’s understandable because soken is one of his best friends. Never knew about the others
He cried onstage after ARR released and everyone was applauding him. And on stage when they announced Soken's cancer and remission. But those are reasonable times.
he really does cry all the time. it's obvious emotional manipulation.
>3 times in a nine year span
>all the time
meds.
Rather a human with emotions than the computer brains at Blizzard, who look at metrics to determine 'fun'.
>Rather a human with emotions
That's not what's happening, though.
explain how three times in nine years is emotional manipulation
IT JUST IS OK?!?!?
>they take 7 hours to show you a 15 minute powerpoint presentation?
You never saw them have you? They have people translating it because they aren't reading off the slides. Slides are a basic guide and they go into FAR greater details.
The weekly lodestone posts? The live letters? Literally everyone WoW expansion has been like this in the alpha/beta "Frick you its our game we make it the way we like it." And then 2-3 patches into the expansion "W-were sorry we didnt listen to you. Nobody could have predicted this outcome.."
Liveletters and announcements that are almost weekly?
Do you actually look up the announcements or are you just guessing?
Liveletters are spoken live by YoshiP. Not an intern at Blizzard writing a blogpost.
Any MMORPG with highly detailed character models is automatically garbage.
They are mentality weak and addicted to the game from what seems.
FF14 is the best modern mmo. If you want nostalgia then load up any old mmo and plod your way through zones and kill random mobs. I recommend Hibernia DAOC for this but I'm also bias.
>No one is playing classic
do stupid people actually believe this? faerlina is more active right now than my server back in 2007.
for me, it's K1
i just dont understand why ffxiv fanbase is so culty.
Because you have idiots like
Culty isn't defending a game from dumbasses, it's normal when you play a game you like and have fun. I know its a weird concept for you.
sunk cost fallacy, that being said its a decent MMO and definitely a better choice than retail wow.
The only mmo truly worth playing at the moment is New World in the hopes they fix the 6 million problems they have with the game, and classic wow.
It's just sunk cost, it's a good game but when you talk to people about why they like their jobs it's mostly nostalgia. Atleast healers in WoW keep their identity/utility, it was terrible playing an astrologian/scholar to just see your job get worse expansion by expansion.
I just wish FF14 players could openly admit their gameplay is getting worse, WoW players go overboard and scream from alpha to launch when classes get changed but all the healers in FF14 feel like utter shit to play but the players accept it.
>how dare you like a game and correct morons that act in bad faith
I'm glad you have no game to play, you discord groomer
im gonna start screenshotting Ganker during their live letters because the reactions DURING them and the reactions after them are different.
Don't talk about Japanese culture when you're a stupid moronic American c**t.
And you are what, exactly?
Not talking about Japanese culture.
Except you're attempting to gatekeep another culture while being another homosexual american just like white women do for minorities on twitter. Stay in your lane mayo muncher.
People only get mad at gatekeeping when they're the people who should be gatekept. Shut up Hispanic.
You will never be white. And you will never have functional reading comprehension, because I wasn't complaining about the gatekeeping. I was pointing out that by your very act of attempting to gatekeep, you are putting forward a stance on the culture you just stated people like you should not be having a stance on. moron.
Okay? You will never be Japanese so you should stop dicksucking their culture.
I accept your concession, hypocrite-kun.
Why do MMO threads always derail into super pro vs. anti FFXIV discussion that echoes the same shit
People are still butthurt FF is winning. Or rather, taht their players are happy
Did you realise that all this shitty threads that have for purpose to say XIV is a shit game are always made by one schizo who spent all this days doing that ?
yes esl-kun everyone realizes that but its not going to stop people from arguing.
>esl-kun
>probably american who can barely speak his own language
English is in fact my third language homosexual.
Do you want asspats and for me to autistically correct all your mistakes in your previous post because calling you esl is too hurtful? poor baby aww
>morons still replying to obvious troll who is just pretending to ignore reality at this point
Focus.
I miss being 12 years old and watching the Dark Elves breasts bounce while I played Lineage II
Yes MMOs are dead because they don't offer anything in present day that you can't get playing any other game with discord open on a second monitor.
Not to mention that making one basically locks your game studio into working on that one mmo forever. If it isn't a success? You might as well have a nice day.
So there's little chance of any innovation or big shift happening in the genre. Too expensive, too risky, too niche.
It's time to let go and stop chasing the dragon.
Also this tbh
>are mmos dead?
no but the genre is just in a stage of stagnation right now, controversial opinion but i do think the Riot MMO has a chance to breathe some new life into it especially considering its not a WoW clone.
Nah everyone will just wait 10 years for that Ashes of Creation mmo that they will say will save MMO, the first and last MMO I played was Ragnarok Online when internet wasn't even a thing then, but ironic seeing that this genre hasn't changed in 20+ years
MMOs are a product of their time. Nothing will recapture that feeling unless it's a VRMMO where people are actually forced to interact with people in the game, because VoIP killed in-game socializing.
I just really hate how shit ffxiv threads are now.
I mean they have been dead to me for the past decade
I can't fricking wait for the day they finally shut down the servers and all these wowgays finally put a rope around their neck, the meltdown will be legendary
I’m 100% sure a lot of folks will die if WoW closed down
You'll be waiting for a long time
Think we can wait till 2023.
It will be soon rather than later, wow is not the powerhouse it once was, they don't even make 10% of what candy crush earns, they will cut wow and go full on mobile chink gacha
I'd believe that if they did a console and mobile release, and f2p option. Until then, WoW will be just fine while you seethe. Go play New World or something.
>will be doing just fine
>bleeding players and only the addicted sunk cost homies are left
Blizzdrones are fricking embarassing, eating that much copium is bad for your health also
>implying
NW can get fricked just like LA, only played MMO when was a kid and I couldn't give two frick about it, it's just amusing seeing how this genre is in the exact same place it was 20 years ago
You're delusional if you think WoW is getting the plug pulled any time soon. New World is widely considered to be dead, doesn't have sub fees, and yet that game is still dragging along and will probably live at least a few years.
By the time WoW's servers are shut down, there will be like a handful of people left that care.
Because it's the year 2060 and most of the people who played the game are dead or senile.
The things that made MMOs special and standout, are no long just an MMO thing.
They are not the ONLY type of games anymore with a focus on large scale multiplayer. Tons of games now in days have a functionally infinite amount of content. Having a social group of internet friends that you play with is basically the norm for any multiplayer game now in days. Many non MMOs even have a faux guild/clan system. It's even common for games to get long term constant updates.
It's not just a bunch of MMORPGs trying to out do each other.
It's RPGs, FPS, TPS, sports games, fighting games, Action RPGs, whatever the frick minecraft is, and im sure there are things im forgetting. On top of that stuff, we as players have changed alot since ye olde mmo days. "Meta" culture has become the norm, not only that but we also are not in the early-late 00s anymore and there is a massive amount of guides/info/add ons for every little thing in the game that make it almost pointless to interact with people in MMORPGs.
Can a MMORPG come out and "save" the MMO scene from joining RTS in being games only for old fricks/autistic hipsters? Sure, why not. Is it likely? No. The type of MMORPG that would really take off now in days would be insane to dev/suppport like WoW/FF14. They would need to make something where the combat "feels" like something from DMC/GoW/NG/Sekiro/ER. THEN find away to get casters to be fun to play in such a high mobile actiony game.
The only thing that would break the stagnation of MMOS is if SAO legit existed
I just play turtle wow HC mode. It has pretty much ruined other mmos for me at this point and yes MMOs are dead as frick.
A GTA online MMO would be pretty successful IMO
That's what All Points Bulletin was and it was dogshit.
Because APB is jank compared to GTA 5, dumbass.
GTA 5 RP and Multi-theft auto already exist
bros... dragonflight doesn't look fun
I've watched the streams of the alpha, kept up with updates on wowhead, scoured through the talent trees and nothing seems fun or interesting.
Ff14 is a troony game
wow is a game made by actual trannies, and played by actual trannies
DON'T REPLY TO OBVIOUS TROLLS.
>wow is a game made by actual trannies
yes
>and played by actual trannies
nah
all the real trannies are on xiv. the wow devs are DESPERATE to get that audience but they just can't pull them away from the anime game.
I never said wow wasn't a troony game but ff14 is even trannier than wow let's be honest.
it's absolutely not. I've played both games. Only one of them has changed the body types to type 1 and type 2.
Nuf said here kid
>some random moron wearing ugly shit is comparable to this being an actual whole race, complete with type 1 and type 2 rebrands of the entire game
Lol.
The WoW hate is overblown and a self-fulfilling prophecy of a death spiral. It unironically is being memed to death.
Find a small MMO or private server community and just have some fun with people. Worrying about the state of MMOs at this point is useless because it won't get better until it crashes to the ground completely. Just make sure you're not giving any company any money and let them bleed out.
Is new world pvp good or is it a troony ge?
It's dogshit
Guild Wars 2 is the best MMO and there really isnt any counter-argument.
its dead and the bullshit you have to do to get ascended accessories for yourself is cancerous and predatory towards new players.
>its dead
so dead they could afford to run a huge advertising campaign for their new expansion and there are constantly players everywhere.
can you show some proof of how its "Dead"
the fact i lost interest in end of dragons within 3 weeks as a returning player because the game is a fricking jackson pollock spatter regarding its design and has done nothing in 5+ years to fix it.
>we all lived to see swtor become the superior mmo
its amazing what happens in a decade
all i read is
>"I'm butthurt FFXIV killed WoW and will never play it out of spite, therefore the genre is dead"
yeah, that's about the extent of ffxiv player's reading comprehension ability.
kek, you morons are the ones who complain about FFXIV having nothing but text to read through
FFXIV players sperg out at the slightest criticism of the story, so it's likely that the text in this game is the most reading they've ever done in their lives.
But that's all that's happening here.
Sums up pretty much every recent "how do we save mmos :'^(" thread.
WoW killed itself, or rather the market killed WoW. FFXIV just adapted better. WoW just happens to have some more MMO trappings whereas FFXIV 2.0 is full fake-MMO "open world is a glorified lobby".
ff14 trannies are out in full force
Full loot open world forced PvP would unironically revitalize the genre. It's been memed that they never succeed but it has never properly been tried on a competent level, and you only need to look at battle royales to prove that there actually is a market for these type of games. Developers are just scared.
>losing your shit to a gang
i cant think of a faster reason to quit or not even download a game like that holy frick
This is the problem with the modern player, instead of rising to the challenge and fighting back you just quit instead. Don't complain about the genre dying when you aren't even putting in the minimal effort to contribute to a social game.
Not that anon but if people want PvP they're not going to play a mmo of all fricking games. What's sad is hardcore mmo players like you think you actually had skill for ganking a lower level when all you did was outgear them because you played longer.
yeah just play call of duty or something anon. pvp and mmos never worked out. im sure there are some brazillian games like rust or minecraft or someshit where you can do that too
>but world of WARcraft
every server i played on either had an extreme faction imbalance or leveling was just not fun
I love how full loot morons still dont realize they're a minority. Nobody wants to play a game for hours, days, weeks then get ganked by someone higher level or a guild of pkers and lose days of progress. "Just join that pk guild!" Most people arent sociopaths who find it fun going around killing defenseless people in mmos for fun.
>I love how full loot morons still dont realize they're a minority.
All mmo players are a minority. Even in WoW only like 40% of the players do dungeons and raids.
>Nobody wants to play a game for hours, days, weeks then get ganked by someone higher level or a guild of pkers and lose days of progress
How would they know that if they never tried?
>"Just join that pk guild!" Most people arent sociopaths who find it fun going around killing defenseless people in mmos for fun.
Yet they play PvP shooters all the time.
>What's sad is hardcore mmo players like you think you actually had skill for ganking a lower level when all you did was outgear them because you played longer.
You don't think they aren't skilled for surviving longer? It's natural selection.
Killing a player in a FPS game and them respawning in 5 seconds isnt remotely the same as PKing someone in a full loot MMO and seeing them lose days or weeks of progress and gear. Theres no thrill, no terror.
>JUST GIT GUD PLEB
>Muh game filters all these normalgays
>why is my game dead?
>I love how full loot morons still dont realize they're a minority.
Rust, Minecraft, and ARK are some of the most played games.
>Nobody wants to play a game for hours, days, weeks then get ganked by someone higher level or a guild of pkers and lose days of progress.
How old are you that you're pretending most equipment would be any more than some minutes of grinding? The best sets should be fun enough to spend a day or more of luck or money on, which is diveristy.
>Most people arent sociopaths who find it fun going around killing defenseless people in mmos for fun.
I already mentioned full loot PvP games; you're projecting behavioral notions on something that provides more depth and power to characters and the world.
MOBAs are simply top-down MMO PvP games on 1 map that restarts character items every match. What's your argument again?
>What's sad is hardcore mmo players like you think you actually had skill for ganking a lower level when all you did was outgear them because you played longer.
Stop pretending that stats is the only way to design gear.
>It wouldn't work you brainless moron, full loot only works in battle royales because you don't get to keep what you earn in the next round, it always goes to a neutral state called the lobby
The neutral state in an MMO would be spawning at the city and being able to go out and get more (plausibly early in a character's existence) or already be rich enough to buy from the auction house (starter equipment being cheap, at a least).
>MMO are the complete opposite of pvp, because it ALWAYS becomes a grifter haven where the homies that have been playing since day 1 just camp the spawn point of newbies to kill them
It's humorous that you think MMOs are different from any other PvP genre. What's the middle point of the argument? Players can do anything they want because you can provide them the tools to do so.
Chrlmt.
If gear isn't valuable in a MMO and it's full-loot pvp, I might as well play a BR
What about that post makes you wonder if loot would be valuable?
samegay
so?
You're in a thread with over 550 posts that's going to archive soon; what better do you have to do?
Most people playing Minecraft arent playing on silly little full loot PVP servers.
Minecraft is a full loot game, and your metrics are mysterious.
The term full loot only applies to PVP where loot is stolen. Its trivial to get back equipment in Minecraft from PVE enemies.
False dichotomy.
Being able to just buy cheap gear kills the entire point fo a full loot you moron, you're not looting the high end armor someone spent a month crafting, you looted the cheap armor he crafted in 10 secs, might as well just play a Battle Royale
>Being able to just buy cheap gear kills the entire point fo a full loot you moron, you're not looting the high end armor someone spent a month crafting, you looted the cheap armor he crafted in 10 secs, might as well just play a Battle Royale
You could obviously balance it to actually reward based on how long it takes to make.
The rarer an armor is, the less inclined people are going to bother to craft or acquire it. If someone wears an armor that takes weeks or months to acquire then loses it, they're going to just rage and quit the game.
It wouldn't work you brainless moron, full loot only works in battle royales because you don't get to keep what you earn in the next round, it always goes to a neutral state called the lobby, MMO are the complete opposite of pvp, because it ALWAYS becomes a grifter haven where the homies that have been playing since day 1 just camp the spawn point of newbies to kill them, people who unnironically want this are just addicted to the power trip of bullying a bunch of low levels into submission
>It wouldn't work
Yet Everquest and Ultima Online were both successful, arguably revolutionary.
For their time, look at them now, pvp mmo already evolved as battle royales and are better
>pvp mmo already evolved as battle royales and are better
Survival games like Rust are more similar to pvp mmos than BRs. They're also better. There's no reason it couldn't work as an mmo.
It was already done and they all died miserably, Life is feudal was literally this shit in MMO and shut down, MMO are already a niche market, pvp full loot MMO are even worse, and you homosexuals don't have all the people you think you do to make it profitable
>It was already done and they all died miserably
Survival games are still popular. No MMO has been designed well enough to have full loot (see what the best equipment provides; it should be really different from ordinary gameplay) if any have even tried. The usual cited is Mortal Online, but people don't want light-heavy sword and shield combat as the most advanced playstyle.
>full loot only works in battle royales because you don't get to keep what you earn in the next round
It also works in survival games where your progress is persistant. Rust, for example, lets you destroy and loot shit people spent dozens of hours creating.
>full loot only works in battle royales because you don't get to keep what you earn in the next round
Have you never played Minecraft survival servers?
Yeah except in Minecraft you can get 'geared' in like an hour tops. Its nothing like MMOs with rare drops, raid boss drops, etc. Imagine your raid leader getting the Sword of Thousand Truths from a 1% drop in a raid. Sure its cool and powerful. But now he either eventually gets ganked and loses it, or just places it in storage and never uses it.
>Yeah except in Minecraft you can get 'geared' in like an hour tops. Its nothing like MMOs with rare drops, raid boss drops, etc.
In minecraft you can also have shit you built griefed even if it took 100 hours to build.
Moreover, full loot pvp doesn't mean it's the same as current mmos except with PVP. You would obviously design the game around it.
Yeah and thus you undermine the system. Suddenly who gives a shit about full loot loss when the loot doesn't matter. See Albion. "Oh no I lost my plate armor set." "Anyway *equips a new one*".
What are you critiquing? Shallow gameplay and equipment?
Ganker complains about mmos dying when the only mmos they know of is wow and ff14
>Ganker shit on SWTOR for over 10 years
>WoW got woke and also bad
>ff14 got tedius and their 10 year story arc kinda shit itself
>now im happily playing 20+ alts in swtor doing shit like hitting on a galactic senator or marching down the imperial army as a trooper
We heard you already, no one is going to play it, go away.
welp you have fun deciding what pronoun you are going to be after you sign your social contract. im going to be a guy in a gimpsuit and an electrostaff with my alien gf in a bikini fricking up the galaxy together
someone got their account banned for clicking no on the social contract
>someone got their account banned for clicking no on the social contract
what did he mean by this?
Have you had so much of your brain scooped out by Electronic Arts you think anyone who calls you a dipshit is a wowgay? Hows that combat update that was nigh universally hated by your playerbase going btw? Heard that was a bit of drama.
and the combat thing was needed, when your ability bars were overflowing with this some pruning is needed. combat feels like how it was back in SoRevan xpac. Or like how in FF14 ability pruning hit in the samurai/red mage xpac or how it happened in mists of pandaria
oh and as of this thursday, armor mods are back in swtor
Dont make someone post the webms. swtor is power rangers tier camp and barely deserves to be called star wars.
Full loot is a genre of its own, no way will it thrive in watered-down game mechanics that are typical in MMOs. Tarkov and Rust are polished standalone games.
>Rust
>polished
>a blatantly unfinished game and a game that spent 6 years in early acces are "polished" examples of the genre
lol
>eso is a single player
and this is bad because?
We need a reason to insult it.
theres easier reasons such as the oppressive as frick, mobile gacha tier elements for cosmetics.
Isn't xiv just a single player game with chat rooms and raids?
its a singleplayer jrpg story alongside online elements and an mmo esque world.
Only the MSQ is single player besides the raids. The rest is fully MMO. You can join an FC immediately and do multiplayer shit.
so mmo = playing a game with others?
do people not know genres or something
Noooooo its not a mmo unless hundreds of players are smashing like waves against open world raid bosses with no mechanics (GW2) or hundreds of players fighting over the 10 mobs they're trying to tag in open world dungeons!
yeah, actually. its either that or consider something like diablo2 an mmo or various phone games with arenas/raidable outposts
I always find it funny in every "mmos are dying" threads there's always that one moron who thinks full-loot pvp is the key to saving the genre.
I enjoy watching the bullshit that goes on in runescape but I would not want to have that be a constant threat in an mmo
>but I would not want to have that be a constant threat in an mmo
Why? The world should feel threatening.
mmos are a product of its time and also ahead of its time. fulldive mmos would recapture that feeling and more.