Are shmups genuinely the pinnacle of skill and hardcore games?

Are shmups genuinely the pinnacle of skill and hardcore games? I really don't get them, they seem too heavily routing and memory based

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of bullet hells tend to have rank which means more enemies/bullets/bullet speed if you play better. so while you can memorize how best to respond to situations, unless you're playing the exact same way each time you cant rely on memory

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >copymonkey the genre
    >skill

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon is going to post his double Hibachi clear any moment now

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk shmups are just moronic, like that boss in the pic. How can almost the entirety of a game be trivially passable and then the last guy shoots hyper speed bullets with tiny gaps for 10 minutes straight. Wtf is that difficulty progression

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they seem too heavily routing and memory based
    kind of. depends on the subgenre. to the casual players, yes, it is just le dodge the bullets and dont die, but when you've played enough you'll realize every one has a different unique mechanic.
    i mean, lumping shmups into one subgenre (bullet hells) is kinda dumb; mars matrix isnt the same as silpheed which isnt the same as gradius, which isnt the same as sine mora, which isnt the same as einhander which isnt the same as pawarumi, which isnt the same as zero gunner, triggerheart excelica, deathsmiles, ikaruga, etc etc etc

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are pinnacle of autism and fake interest

    They are for failed PvP players who can instead compete against nobody since the genre is dead

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >learn game mechanics, memorize optimal routes, never hit a decent score in DDP
      >click head get highest rank in game
      at least my genre is popular amirite :')

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        post clears dumb shitter

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          post clears shitter

          post clears nonplayer shitter

          post yours first

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some gay admitted in a previous thread that he keeps asking this for the sole purpose of shitting the mood of the threads.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Discord shitters don't play games.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, you're confusng shmups with 2d side scrolling beat em ups again

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bro play ninja saviors its the best beat em up
      >its shallow and moronic
      >bro play fight n rage its ACTUALLY the best beat em up
      >BEYOND moronic
      Are all arcade games just a meme

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Memorizing and routing won't dodge the bullets for you. Routing games makes the harder parts possible, not easy.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dropping the thing here

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      why the frick would anyone use that cheap piece of shit with garbage stick and buttons and weaker hardware than a raspberry pi

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Looks qt in the desk (you hook up to a tv and use a controller ya dingus)

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          don't tell me you actually bought that stupid fricking thing?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, but I will
            >Reeee
            That's my reason.
            >But why
            Qt collectible Black person

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ok so you're just a coomlector who doesn't actually play. Makes sense then

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      why the frick would anyone play Yagawa shit?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i hope that pile of shit cost less than 50

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is the point of battle bakraid?
      >uglier than battle garegga even though it came out 3 years later
      >shit sound design
      >shit music
      >boring early stages that become increasingly moronic because "lol yagawa autism"
      >scoring system designed for the mentally deranged

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot to add: even more options bullshitery and pickups designed specifically to shit up your rank.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >scoring system designed for the mentally deranged
        I mean, that's all shmups after scoring stopped being just about how many loops you go through. Actually, that was also deranged now that I think about it.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    unfortunately their whole point is to be brainless reflex based games - according to it's hardcore fans at least
    anything with a health bar gets labelled as euro-shmup

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anything with a health bar gets labelled as euro-shmup
      batsugun and guwange are euro shmups now?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Carrier Airwing too, plenty

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >batsugun
        >health bar

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When playing for survival, routing is only necessary in lieu of general game knowledge and fundamental skill. For example, if you can no miss no bomb stage 5 in Ketsui you don’t need to route stage 2, it will come naturally.

    For score play routing is absolutely necessary, but routing can be fun if the game is fun.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop making the OP bait

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >asking questions is bait

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rhythm games are the pinnacle of skill
    Shumps are second

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      post clears shitter

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      lm0a

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're too reliant on memorization.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >memorization bad
    The slot machine is the pinnacle of skill.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to lazily copy and paste a previous post from the archive to shill these games again.

    >Like Dreamer
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1867740/Like_Dreamer/

    https://www.freem.ne.jp/brand/6400 (freeware games from the same dev)

    >Mecha Ritz
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/463070/Mecha_Ritz_Steel_Rondo/

    https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/game/8513 (older free version of Mecha Ritz)

    >ZeroRanger
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/809020/ZeroRanger/

    >DRAINUS
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1975360/DRAINUS/ (from the touhou luna nights dev, the game is very forgiving)

    >BLUE REVOLVER
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/439490/BLUE_REVOLVER/

    >Gunvein
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2025840/Gunvein/

    >Crimzon Clover World EXplosion
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1718160/Crimzon_Clover_World_EXplosion/

    Also NOT a shmup but a very arcadey top down shooter, very fun and hectic
    >Assault Adroid Cactus
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/250110/Assault_Android_Cactus/

    NOT a shmup either but still fun and very cool looking twin-stick shooter
    >NeverAwake
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1727180/NeverAwake/

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all indieshit slop
      >mork the grifter meme image
      yeah no thanks

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously that list isn't for you /vg/Black person, you don't play games.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          post clears nonplayer shitter

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope, that would be old fighting games.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >old fighting games
      >get meter for whiffing
      Yeah no, meme genre

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any way I can buy eXceed 3rd? It got removed from Steam

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Buy?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      G2A. Just under 3 dollars.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's memorization and pattern recognition taken to the extreme. I like that they exist but for my sake I cannot bring myself to play them.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give me the final ultimate redpill on G-Darius and Gaiden

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gaiden rank is too unforgiving and a lot of the bosses have moronicly hard patterns. Hard to find flaws with g Darius t bh but I've played a lot less of it too

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ultimate redpill is that you should play Gradius and R-Type instead.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    GRADIUS IS KINO

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Are shmups genuinely the pinnacle of skill and hardcore games? I really don't get them, they seem too heavily routing and memory based

    Pretty much. We live in a post souls world designwise, good design is a recognizable telegraph before an attack, and most shmups are too fast for that. There is a lot of skill involved because you can die for a mistake you did 5s ago, an eternity in shmup time. Shmups are a compound of memory, reaction and planning, but since everything is super fast you can think it's all reaction/memory.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now this is shitposting

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Shart Souls is the hardest thing in the universe!
        Here come the shitters.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who said that? You are genuinely on some schio gibberish

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I ve played all kinds of shmup games from all eras and bullet hell ones aren't as hard as they look.

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