Sonic fans are mindbroken and will look for any reason to praise a new game before it releases. The fact this game is still reusing chemical plant and green hillzone from generations already makes it look fricking terrible.
>Sonic fans are mindbroken and will look for any reason to praise a new game before it releases. >praise
You don't know what you're on about. They're overly negative, nitpicking morons. >Nintendo spends 40 years rehashing the same story, setting, characters, items, music and so on. >10/10 masterpiece every time. Untouchable. >Sonic brings back old stages. >morons melt down.
Mario is generic, boring trash overrated by neckbearded 30-somethings who grew up with it and can't see past the unoriginality.
How many times have you saved the Princess now?
>Mario is generic, boring trash overrated by neckbearded 30-somethings who grew up with it and can't see past the unoriginality. >How many times have you saved the Princess now?
So did you forget the irony of your post anon?
How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
>How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
4? 5?
Can't compare that to 40 years, man. >collect Star/Sprite/whatever, beat Bowser, save the Princess >collect Stone/Shards/whatever, beat Ganon, save the Princess
Every Pokemon, Smash, Kirby, Splatoon game is basically the same too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Every Pokemon, Smash, Kirby, Splatoon game is basically the same too.
All because they're good and people demand it stay as such
Sonic is such Black person trash that no one can agree to what he should be best at, because anything he tries is dogshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All because they're good and people demand it stay as such
It's lazy, unoriginal and only gets praised due to bias.
That and autistics tend to love repetition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All because they're good
Kirby and Splatoon are the only good franchises listed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kirby hasn't been good since 64. Every new game is moronic baby garbage until the very end where theres muh eldritch horror reddit poopy pants shit. Splatoon is quite literally the exact same game every time with minor tweaks like overwatch is doing
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Every new game is moronic baby garbage until the very end where theres muh eldritch horror reddit poopy pants shit.
So...just like KDL2, KDL3, and K64?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Every Pokemon
Halo fans don't know how good they have compared to this.
>How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
not even once after 2011
meanwhile every mario game revolves around saving a princess
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not even once after 2011
Only two 3D games have released since then, and Mania did something similar with its final boss.
We also know from old leaks that Frontiers ends with the same "Super Sonic vs giant monster" bit too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
At this point DBZ Sonic and monster of the week happens far more often than not, it's just Sonicgays have short term memory whenever SEGA doesn't shit out a rushed turd every 3 months.
2 years ago
Anonymous
a robot isn't the same as a monster. stop reaching.
now again, how many times have you collected some variation of stars, beat bowser and saved the princess? 70?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a robot isn't the same as a monster. stop reaching.
There's no reaching. Mania's final boss is basically classic Sonic's rendition of a Super Sonic vs monster boss, even down to Eggman losing control once again.
We know Frontiers is doing the same shit too. Sonic repeats itself all the time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's literally a robot.
can't compare that to the water monster in adventure or the lizard in adventure 2.
again, stop reaching.
now, how many times have you saved the princess?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's literally a robot.
So was Heroes' final boss, but it's still the same shit either way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
still not the same thing. the robot is equal in size to eggman.
answer the question.
>well, adventure released two years later and gets torn to pieces online.
For its game design, yeah. Not sure what that has to do with an early 3D platofrmer having blocky-looking graphics.
>game design
what's bad about it? it's ambitious. recieved worldwide acclaim when it released.
people talk shit now, and that's what's led some to believe that the game was heavilly flawed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>received worldwide acclaim when it released.
Never happened. World wide acclaim games don't get trashed on in later years, and people rated 3D shitnik games bad as early as 2002. So long before Youtube existed so le meanie e-celebs isn't an argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
87 on gamerankings.
adventure gets massacred because of the horrendous dx port. something so shit that it's basically a different game entirely.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>87 on gamerankings.
Means nothing. All classic Sonic games were 90s+ without Nintendo biasism being used as a argument. 3D games were just never good and there were far better playformers with higher scores like Rayman 2 and Crash.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Duke Nukem 3D gets shit on years later, all because “his next game afterward sucked”, “misogyny” and “having a jank engine”
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Duke Nukem 3D gets shit on years later
shitting on duke 3D isn't some common occurrence you underage dope
nobody considers the build engine "jank" either lol
hell there's still well-regarded fps games being made with the build engine as a base
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’ve seen a lot of complaints that the Build Engine was janky and had shitty shooting in comparison to Doom and Quake Engine games. Not to mention most of the games made with Build aside from Duke, Blood and Shadow Warrior all sucked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I’ve seen a lot of complaints that the Build Engine was janky and had shitty shooting in comparison to Doom and Quake Engine games.
Well those complaints are definitely wrong considering Blood alone has more satisfying gunplay than anything in Doom. >Not to mention most of the games made with Build aside from Duke, Blood and Shadow Warrior all sucked.
That's an issue with the devs, not the engine. Ion Fury is a quality fps and it uses Build code as a base.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one does this. Do you think people making fun of Duke as a character isn't born out of love for the character and game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Considering how butthurt the internet is these days and how gaming articles always try to drag him into political bullshit, no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
journalists aren't real people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still not the same thing. the robot is equal in size to eggman.
That doesn't make a difference. Now you're just moving goalposts.
And you're still ignoring the fact that Frontiers will be doing the same shit again too. >people talk shit now
People have "talked shit" since the mid 2000s. Time to play catch-up, kid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol, no. that's you. saying mania's final boss is anything like the water monster from adventure is absurd.
>Have you seen Sonic's track record in the past 20 years, it's been nothing but shit how could you blame anyone for not having faith in yet another shitty looking 3d sonic game?
Stop sidestepping this point you homosexual
again, unfinished. learn what that means you fricking incapable.
Bro, you realise they make a new Zelda or Mario game like once every four to six years, not literally every year?
that makes the lack of innovation even worse. >oh look! a new animal costume in mario! this is a totally unique experience! i'm gonna piss and shit my pants! >proceeds to bing bing wahoo and save the princess for the trillionth time
2 years ago
Anonymous
>saying mania's final boss is anything like the water monster from adventure is absurd.
Super Sonic fights a powered up robot in Mania just like he does in Heroes. Super Sonic will fight a big final boss monster in Frontiers.
This IP repeats itself all the time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>again, unfinished.
Again not the point, why is this game going to be good?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i've already said to judge a completed product. not something that's in development. if what we saw in the first trailer was due out tomorrow then sure, have your autistic cicle-jerk meltdowns. but it isn't. so shut the frick up and wait to see what we get.
They have completely changed the basic structure of Mario games several times. They actually very rarely stick to exactly the same thing.
And Sonic doesn't even get new animal costumes, so now you feel silly.
how? the games are literally fricking identical.
what excuse will you fanboys come up with next? we've already had "they don't need to change or reinvent the wheel all the time".
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the games are literally fricking identical.
They're literally not. You should try playing some. They're good.
Probably blow your mind to play a platformer that's actually made to a standard of quality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>same story >same setting >same characters >same items >same music
but one or two tweaks here and there mean they're all unique games!
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
We've had this conversation before. Mario isn't about story. It's a thin conceit to justify more jumping puzzles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're only saying that because you know it's a genuine criticism.
just because the "story doesn't matter" doesn't mean they can get away with rehashing it for 40 fricking years.
the gameplay is always pretty much the same too. they just introduce new ways to do the same old shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one who's older than five years old is getting genuinely excited about saving the princess or defeating Dr Eggman, unless there's something wrong with them, developmentally.
That's not what these games are for. They're for guiding a character through an obstacle course in a way that feels mechanically satisfying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
such a fricking fanboy, man. jesus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm really not, is the thing. If anything I think the Sonic franchise has the potential to be better than the Mario franchise, and I'm mean to Sega because they drop the ball.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they just introduce new ways to do the same old shit.
Which is what you want, not that you would admit it you Adventuregay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They have completely changed the basic structure of Mario games several times. They actually very rarely stick to exactly the same thing.
And Sonic doesn't even get new animal costumes, so now you feel silly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>again, unfinished.
Why do you keep saying this when it isn't true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
because it's literally unfinished? are you moronic?
You literally gave two things they "fixed" with out any real proof
i told you to go on youtube and do your own research. simple. you'd get the answer to your question in seconds. i'm not spoonfeeding you.
Why do sonicgays always immediately ape out and deflect to Nintendo?
because some companies get panned while others get a pass. it's called an example.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nintendo "get a pass" when they make good games.
Sonic Team hasn't made a good game, well, ever really. I guess Generations is the closest they have come to a game which is outright solid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
their games are overrated. padded review scores by fansites and biased journalists.
no originality whatsoever. everything is a rehash.
it's not just about sonic. it's any series that gets picked on for reuse while they get a pass, and they're the biggest fricking rehashers of them all.
like
"far cry 4 doesn't do anything original. it's just far cry 3"
"OMG i shat myself. ganon is back again!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
They make Farcry games every second year, and they genuinely are less innovative than Zelda games.
A game having the same bad guy also doesn't mean it's exactly the same thing. I feel like if they called Ganon Barry for a change, you'd be happy with it, because your brain doesn't understand how all of the meme villains in Farcry games are functionally the same villain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and of course you come to the wrong conclusion.
6 mainline far cry games. series didn't become mainstream until 3.
17 mainline zelda games. series was instantly mainstream.
one got unfairly picked on for lack of innovation. the other is praised for it.
you're a literal moron.
"the story doesn't matter"
the story is the reason for going from a to b.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of those Zelda games are only passingly familiar to each other. No one has ever said Skyward Sword is too much like Ocarina of Time. No one has ever said Zelda 2 or Majoras Mask were bland sequels.
In fact the Zelda game that was a little too samey to other Zelda games (Twilight Princess) got a lot of criticism for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it must be so easy to sell shit to you people. good god.
it's literally the same story retold in the most generic way possible. muh reincarnashun.
the gameplay never changed in 20 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Eggman bad >Mario gameplay with rolling
Classicgays have no leg to stand on in this fight
2 years ago
Anonymous
eggman has taken a back seat for decades. chaos, biolizard, metal sonic, whatever the frick with up with 06, unleashed and so on.
shit, they even shoe-horned bowser into sunshine at the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol he's literally been the final villain in a of the games post the ones you've mentioned.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and what have the stories been about? have they all been the same?
>Eggman + some generic elder-god Akira being who he awokens and inevitably fails to control
Man, they're just wowing me with these stories.
still more original than princess kidnapped. ganon back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's actually not though is the thing. Wind Waker for example may feature Ganon, but it completely recontextualises the Zelda series as a high seas pirate adventure, and gives the whole thing a visual overhaul.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so you don't collect stones, get the master sword, beat ganon and save the princess?
we go back to - >oh, there's a new animal costume in mario. this game is totally different from the rest and is an entirely new experience! >poceeds to do the same old shit
nintendo fans are the very bottom of stupid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dude, don't make sequels ever >make Sonic Adventure 3 though
2 years ago
Anonymous
never said that.
a new skin doesn't mean a new experience.
understand this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In some cases it does. The whole aesthetic experience of Wind Waker is completely different to the rest of the series.
2 years ago
Anonymous
but the core of it is identical to the rest of the games in the series.
again, a new skin doesn't mean a new experience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Define in detail what you think Zelda's "core" is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
just like mario, zelda's core is it's plot.
the reason you go from a to b. the story. the formula.
you're the hero, or reincarnation of, you collect some variation of magical stones, collect the master sword, beat ganon, save the princess.
that's it.
zelda at the core, and the basic blueprint of 40 years worth of games and at the very least the plot of 90% of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>zelda's core is it's plot.
It's not. It's more a general feeling of adventure that comes with the intersection of exploration, puzzles, and combat.
This is also good, and doesn't need to change on a fundamental level for the series to "freshen up". That's how you ruin franchises.
And if you're going to get mad at Zelda games, you should also be mad at Okami, for being Zelda by any other name. Is it okay when Okami does it, or not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
what is the reason for adventure?
that would be the plot.
without reason, there's no adventure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No. I've played plenty of games without knowing or caring about the plot, and still been absorbed in the adventure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
of course you have. if you like mindlessly roaming around doing nothing, then fine. good for you.
but the plot is the reason for adventure.
any good book, movie or whatever else exists purely because of the plot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The true plot of a video game, is always the plot of the player interacting with the game system. I don't care about conquering Ganon, because he isn't real. I do care about conquering the game, who's antagonist is represented in the form of Ganon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you are a pretentious, overanalyzing moron. >"oh hello, bilbo. what are you doing?" >"ah dunno lol"
end
adventure!
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a novel, not a video game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
in this situation, it's the same thing.
you play, hoping the hero wins in the end.
you read, hoping the hero wins in the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I play because I want to win. Different thing altogether.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so, you don't pay attention to the story, you prefer to wander around.
but you do play to win.
you make no sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't say I didn't pay attention to the story, but I wouldn't read a book of any of these stories. They're a sideshow. The fact that something about the mechanical design of the game is satisfying to me is why I'm playing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Caring about conquering the game, rather than aimlessly "adventuring", means you care about the plot.
You're undermining your own argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it means I get a certain satisfaction out of beating a series of mechanical puzzles within a virtual space. I don't have to be absorbed in the plot at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you'd get the same sensation playing with a rubik's cube?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't like rubiks cubes. I'd rather play pinball.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you do realize that there is more then just sega and Nintendo right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and what have the stories been about? >have they all been the same?
No but they have continuity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Eggman + some generic elder-god Akira being who he awokens and inevitably fails to control
Man, they're just wowing me with these stories.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't say Eggman took a backseat in SA2, in fact that was his shining moment. He nearly almost killed Sonic in that game, and if it weren't for Gerald's revenge plan he would've blasted earth into smithereens. He did way more with carrying out that plan than Shadow did tbh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it must be so easy to sell shit to you people. good god.
Sorry. Aren't you a modern Sonic fan?
2 years ago
Anonymous
not really. just someone annoyed at how one company gets praised while others get panned for doing the same thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not what happens though, and we have told you why multiple times.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's literally what happens, you oblivious child.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is a new Zelda every five years the same as a new Assassin's Creed every single year?
2 years ago
Anonymous
can we talk about what about the Sonic franchise attracts autists like this
because it's literally unfinished? are you moronic?
[...]
i told you to go on youtube and do your own research. simple. you'd get the answer to your question in seconds. i'm not spoonfeeding you.
[...]
because some companies get panned while others get a pass. it's called an example.
and of course you come to the wrong conclusion.
6 mainline far cry games. series didn't become mainstream until 3.
17 mainline zelda games. series was instantly mainstream.
one got unfairly picked on for lack of innovation. the other is praised for it.
you're a literal moron.
"the story doesn't matter"
the story is the reason for going from a to b.
it must be so easy to sell shit to you people. good god.
it's literally the same story retold in the most generic way possible. muh reincarnashun.
the gameplay never changed in 20 years.
I don't get why Sonic is THE autism magnet out of all the IP's in the world
2 years ago
Anonymous
The sonic fandom only got "autistic" when SA2 came out on the gamecube
Take a guess why
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Take a guess why
Shadow the Hedgehog? I honestly don't know because I haven't played through either SA games fully, I played Sonic 1, 2, and 3&k, then the franchise kinda died to me when my parents bought me Sonic 3D instead of Sonic CD for my birthday, and that game was so bad it made me step back from the franchise
I remember playing Sonic Adventure 1 at a friends and feeling like I had no idea what was going on, shit like: >why are there humans? >why are they on Earth? >why is Robotnik called "Dr Eggman"? that name is shit >what's wrong with their mouths? >why is this so awkward and spastic to control? >what the frick is this "Big the Cat" bullshit?
I felt the series had jumped several sharks at once and I wasn't interested in any of it, so honestly I can't really say what it is about SA that attracted the autists so much
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you ever play Mania?
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, Mania was great, though I feel like it relied too much on old levels, as if they were unsure how people would react to the new stuff, but I thought it was all great and very in-keeping with what people loved about the series in the first place
2 years ago
Anonymous
Press Garden was my favorite. Still pissed that Mirage Saloon Act 2 is so fricking short.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>spoonfeeding
Call it whatever you like, I call it proof, but you're actually admitting at this point that you don't want to prove the horseshit that comes out of your mouth. I bet you spent the past half hour depseratly trying to find said proof but couldn't so now you have to make this pathetic cop out. You should've stayed gone you corporate wienersucking cretin. I don't even know what you're tryong to prove, you cannot deny the fact that Sonic team hasn't made a good mainline title since SA (arguably, i think adventures 1&2 are shit but i do get why people like them) so what fricking problem do you actually have with people thinking the next one is going to be a turd like the last dozen? Let me repeat myself, they literally haven't made a single good new mainline sonic game in 20 fricking years. What possible reason is there to believe this time is going to be different? Don't sidestep the question this time, why should I believe this game is going to be good? What positive things does Fronteirs actually have going for it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
is a google search so difficult? how about looking up youtube? in the time it took you to post that chunk of text you could've looked it up and saw how wrong and stupid you are.
but no. nintendo baby needs spoonfed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're an absolute coward, just shut the frick up already, you aren't here for an honest argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>these sonic haters are so negative they never focus on the positive! >ok what are the positives >JUST GOOGLE IT
I pray you're being paid for this, no one can honestly be this much of an out of touch butthole.
am i supposed to waste time typing a massive wall of text just to be brushed off?
just look it up, you inept frick. it's not difficult.
here, i'll help get you started -
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sonic+frontiers
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, when you make a claim the burden of proof lies on you, stop acting like it doesn't, coward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You've wasted enough time getting verbally raped by everyone ITT without making a single real argument so I didn't think explaining yourself would be all that big a deal to you
2 years ago
Anonymous
It looks like shit and you literally can't prove otherwise
2 years ago
Anonymous
So is this supposed to look good or something? It still looks like another Sonic game no one wants
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally looks like the best and most ambitious Sonic game since SA2
2 years ago
Anonymous
SA2 wasn't good or ambitious.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>these sonic haters are so negative they never focus on the positive! >ok what are the positives >JUST GOOGLE IT
I pray you're being paid for this, no one can honestly be this much of an out of touch butthole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person it's not the fricking 90s anymore, Nintendo vs Sega has been a dead topic for well over 20 years, NO ONE fricking likes modern sonic or sonic team, it's become one of the most notouriously raped and ruined franchises in vidya history.
The story in a Mario game is inconsequential, and is usually treated in a tongue-in-cheek manner by Nintendo. The story in Sonic games has been the primary focus since the Dreamcast era, so the fact that it's moronic is actually important.
>and is usually treated in a tongue-in-cheek manner by Nintendo.
So they're only pretending to be unoriginal?
Will you dorks ever take criticism?
Lol, just lol.
Sonic was always good. Even back in the day, the Sonic games were superior to Mario.
Extra characters in Sonic had their own abilities. Extra characters in Mario were just palette swaps.
Seethe eternally.
>Has better rolling physics than 3D Sonic >Has better platforming than 3D Sonic >Has jumped into 3D far smoother than 3D Sonic
I should be mad but I'm not, just impressed really.
People like you are the reason why the series has been in this shit hole for the past 12 years and why we haven't seen much of any Sonic character besides Tails, Sonic, and Eggman outside of Boom. I don't know why other game franchises are allowed tho have a deceent cast but if they try to do it with Sonic all hell breaks loose.
Unironically yes. Game companies tend to see this crap and interpret it as actual feedback, and once when they make the changes they refuse to dial it back when it gets backlash.
I'm sick of Ad Nintendum argument, not everything they do is good. There's a reason why I am a Sonic fan and I don't fanboy over anything Nintendo. Reuse for 40 years is one of those bad things.
>There's a reason why I am a Sonic fan and I don't fanboy over anything Nintendo.
Because you're a stupid Black person? Or that you're just some Black person assmade about people not worshiping Sonic and you as a person means jack all?
The majority considers Mario good and Sonic bad, end of story. At best all people see from his games is mediocre or "good enough" at best they see him as inferior to anything else and his appeal has nothing to do with the games themselves.
>The majority considers Mario good and Sonic bad
lol imagine unironically holding this consumer mentality >the majority considers the MCU good so that means its good
>>the majority considers the MCU good so that means its good
Yes, anon, just because Ganker hates x doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>good things are only good if other people say they are
even going beyond sonic this is a dumbfrick mentality to have
i sure hope you've preordered the next Last of Us remake, reserved seats for the new Little Mermaid remake and bought a subscription to Disney+, because journos and nerd culture critics say it's good
make sure to tweet #SheHulk after you finish watching this week's episode!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>good things are only good if other people say they are
If everyone said water was good and you decided to be a Gankerirgin moronic contrarian and drink bleach just to prove a point, no one would miss you after you killed yourself for being a moronic c**t. In fact, go ahead, prove everyone wrong that water isn't good by drinking bleach right now. I'll wait.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>conflating water, something objectively necessary to live, with fricking nintendo games
peak tendie consoomer mentality
nintendo has lazily copypasted shit before and been called out accordingly
the difference is they're able to make half-decent games without having to rely on copypasting assets from better games, a feat modern sonic can barely manage even while reusing all of their assets
Lol, when have Nintendo ever been called out? When have their major games ever recieved even mediocre reviews?
Their games are literally all the same.
The ONE time they broke the Zelda cycle was 22 years ago and even then it was just recycled OOT assets.
Which ones? Wind Waker, Sunshine and so on are in the 90s.
>They're overly negative, nitpicking morons.
After the game releases sure, (in the snse that they're being negative about a new sonic game and the're also morons, but calling a shit game shit isn't "nitpicking", homosexual) because not even they're delusional enough to convince themselves deep fried horseshit like Forces was any good, but you might even be more insane if you think sonic fans don't go on a massive cope fuled hypefest anytime a new sonic game is announced. It happens literally every fricking time.
you must be new to the community.
they literally spent weeks seething over an incomplete game. an early build at that. >should we sit down and give it a chance? some time? we haven't seen everything >no. i'm going on an autism-fuelled meltdown and may even frick my 80 year-old mother.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes but they're in the lower 90s which if they weren't Nintendo games, would be like in the 70s or high 60s.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>REEEEEEE STOP DISLIKING THINGS
This isn't even an argument, you're just pissed people don't like a shitty looking game
2 years ago
Anonymous
like it or don't. i don't give a particle of a shit.
but don't show your age by punching walls over unfinished shit, you sad toddler frick.
by all means, if hat we saw in the first trailer was due out tomorrow, then pan it into the ground.
but it was an early build and looks better every time we see it.
cope, seethe, dilate and all that jazz.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i don't give a particle of a shit.
you clearly do you sad homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"you're mad people dislike thing" >NO I'M NOT!!! I DON'T EVEN CARE >proceeds to b***h and moan more about how people don't like thing
Congrats, you're officially dumber than the average sonicgay, I couldn't do that if I tried.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I couldn't do that if I tried.
and you had to exaggerate to try to make a point.
silly child.
criticise a finished product, not something that's still in development.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop acting like you're so high and mighty for not shitting on sonic team, you can't even come up with a real argument. All you can do is sit and cry because people are being mean to sonic team
2 years ago
Anonymous
not crying. just not a special needs child like yourself who don't understand what "work in progress" means.
i can see you dorks going into an art studio and shitting yourselves over incomplete pictures. lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I couldn't do that if I tried.
and you had to exaggerate to try to make a point.
silly child.
criticise a finished product, not something that's still in development.
like it or don't. i don't give a particle of a shit.
but don't show your age by punching walls over unfinished shit, you sad toddler frick.
by all means, if hat we saw in the first trailer was due out tomorrow, then pan it into the ground.
but it was an early build and looks better every time we see it.
cope, seethe, dilate and all that jazz.
>getting this assmad at people shitting on a modern sonic game
Do you think it's still the fricking 90s or something? Have you seen Sonic's track record in the past 20 years, it's been nothing but shit how could you blame anyone for not having faith in yet another shitty looking 3d sonic game? >NO NO NO NO IT'S NOT FINISHED YET STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
If they didn't want people to talk about it then they shouldn't have shown anything about it, unfortunatly when a popular new thing is revealed people are going to talk about it and have differing opinions on it, sorry but that's how people work. Cry more
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If they didn't want people to talk about it then they shouldn't have shown anything about it
fans demanded footage. they gave them it.
also, it doesn't matter what it is. an unfinished product is an unfinished product. and judging it shows how lacking you all are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>YOU CAN'T JUDGE SOMETHING BEFORE IT'S RELEASED
says who? you? ok lol, yeah i'm sure everything will be ironed out in a couple months, it worked out fantastic for cyberpunk right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
different situation.
and yes, the vast majority of issues have been fixed. reception now has done a complete 180. just shows that waiting and not being a spaz pays off.
The first of it's kind is suppose to be flawed. It's how good it is depsite being flawed
SA1 shouldn't have been flawed since they had 3 fricking years to learn from Mario's mistakes. And all they did was add fricking more of them.
And before you said "B-B-B-But it was SEGA's first 3D Sanic game!"
No it wasn't, Jam, Fighters, 3D Blast, R and that failed Sonic Xtreme all came before it. But most importantly, both Rayman and Pacman both had instant jumps from 2D into 3D and pulled them off near perfectly, both just after SA1 released. So there's no argument other than SEGA are shit 3D programers and 3D Sonic was never good.
and what mistakes did they add?
i want real answers here, not something you've copied and pasted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and yes, the vast majority of issues have been fixed
Such as? Stop saying shit without backing it up you pussy
2 years ago
Anonymous
do you need spoonfed? >animation >performance
you need to leave the echochamber and watch videos from people who've actually played it. reception is now very positive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>THEY FIXED IT >how? >...THEY JUST DID OK THEY FIXED THE ANIMATIONS AND STUFF >ok but how?
That isn't proof
2 years ago
Anonymous
nobody said any of that. stop exaggerating shit to try to make a point, spaz. have the decency to quote and not put your own spin on it.
and again, do your research.
>saying mania's final boss is anything like the water monster from adventure is absurd.
Super Sonic fights a powered up robot in Mania just like he does in Heroes. Super Sonic will fight a big final boss monster in Frontiers.
This IP repeats itself all the time.
entirely different fights. take your own advice and stop moving goalposts.
once more, how many times have you saved the princesses now? i've answered your question, now answer mine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You literally gave two things they "fixed" with out any real proof
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok so why is this game going to be any good? What are the positives?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>entirely different fights.
All Super Sonic fights are "different" but are still based around the same premise. Lost World and Forces are outliers, not evidence of a common occurrence. Frontiers will be yet another example of this common occurrence.
This IP repeats itself all the time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and what mistakes did they add? >Worse camera (something Mario 64 introduced, but somehow made worse only in Sonic as other platformers actually tried to fix it) >Worse collision, it's a fricking joke next to how often it could occur in 64, which only happened by intended actions, not just casually playing the game. >Worse level design, the platforming is downgraded in favor of scripted automated animation paths that remove control from the player when it works and when it doesn't you spaz out and faill into the void. >Worse loading, there's literally no load times because of cartridge but is on CDs, which wouldn't be fixed for another 5 generations of gaming >Autistic story telling that has only made the fanbase uninhabitable, unlike Mario which only has that for coomers at best and the subhumans that enjoyed Paper Mario for plot instead of gameplay.
The list can go on and on but I'd be here all day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mario 64 has a far shittier camera. Sunshine had it far better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and this shows how little you actually know. the dx version is bad. buggy as hell. the original Dreamcast version, which neither you or your beloved nintendo butt buddies have played, has little issues. >level design
literally one of the things the game was praised for.
>87 on gamerankings.
Means nothing. All classic Sonic games were 90s+ without Nintendo biasism being used as a argument. 3D games were just never good and there were far better playformers with higher scores like Rayman 2 and Crash.
>it means nothing because it shows i'm a moron
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
the anime? eh it's pretty good it's a pretty shit setting to be made into a game though everything looks exactly the same and you can't tell which one from which.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>an unfinished product is an unfinished product
But it's not unfinished. Considering its release window, Frontiers has either already gone gold at this point, or is on the verge of doing so.
The recent demo footage is basically what the final game will look like, warts and all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Have you seen Sonic's track record in the past 20 years, it's been nothing but shit how could you blame anyone for not having faith in yet another shitty looking 3d sonic game?
Stop sidestepping this point you homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
>criticise a finished product, not something that's still in development.
Frontiers releases in around a month or so. At this point it is practically finished.
The only real improvements that have been made since the initial footage was shown is some added polish for certain animations and visual effects. Everything else looks the same. Even the playable demos still showed noticeable pop-in, which means it's here to stay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
you autistic fricks nitpick and oversell everything to do with sonic. it's laughable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
Yes, since this has been a solved issue since Sonic fricking R
The fact japs can't into fade in transitions despite literally every western IP does it since the PS1 era proves Japs just think it looks good when it fricking doesn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
The style of pop-in seen in Frontiers is pretty pathetic for an open game released in 2022.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Even the playable demos still showed noticeable pop-in, which means it's here to stay.
Ninsony said it would be the case, and he's a Ubisoft employee. If even Ubisoft devs think Frontiers will be shit, it's going to be shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>like it or don't. i don't give a particle of a shit.
Actions speak louder than words (or in your case screeches), sperg-kun.
>All because they're good and people demand it stay as such
It's lazy, unoriginal and only gets praised due to bias.
That and autistics tend to love repetition.
Just because the sonic team hasn't been able to find a formula good enough to stick with in 20 years doesn't mean that every single series that has settled into an actual identity with an actual fanbase is lazy
"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
If I get bored of a series I like I can just move onto another of the hundreds of thousands of games out there that have completely different strengths and appeals. No use demanding they break something that isn't broken because of some moronic notion that every game series needs to constantly reinvent the wheel instead of just polishing what works.
>"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
Like headache-inducing 3D, motion controls, portability and all the new ways to play the same old shit?
See, people apply this mindset to Nintendo but don't give others the same treatment. Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things. Nintendo have had a 40-year pass.
this might come as a shock to you, but when the game and formula are consistently solid and play nicely, people are willing to look past repetition and rehashing >b-but I DONT LIKE IT SO-
yes, we know, you're a sonic fan. don't need to remind us
>people are willing to look past repetition and rehashing
Only if its nintendo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and that's why absolutely no one complained about the oversaturation of 2D kirby games and praised forgotten land as a breath of fresh air, right? >w-well I didn't see-
you're a moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and that's why absolutely no one complained about the oversaturation of 2D kirby games and praised forgotten land as a breath of fresh air, right?
morons on Ganker don't count.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you enjoy it, you're le consoomer >If you complain, you're a moron on Ganker
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly there is no winning here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
forgotten land is one of the most forgettable kirby games
2 years ago
Anonymous
This.
Nintendo are the Disney of video games. So big that any complaints are drowned out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Only if its nintendo.
FromSoft has been making the same game for over a decade, and their biggest innovation to the concept was "open world lmao" and people STILL want more.
No excuse.
And that's just moronic cope and bias on display.
It wouldn't be so bad if critics and fans didn't hail every Nintendo game as some genre-defining benchmark, historic achievement and the absolute pinnacle of gaming. But they do. Every single time.
Open world Zelda >barren map >brittle weapons >enemies are just different colours of each other >gets universal acclaim
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nintendo is shit because it never does anything different it just copies its games >wtf why did this experimental nintendo game get critical acclaim this is BULLSHIT
I don't like BOTW either, but using it as an example does not do you much good. if players like a game it receives positive attention. if you do not like a game, and you do not share an opinion with the majority, it will not be considered a part of the majority consensus.
>and that's why absolutely no one complained about the oversaturation of 2D kirby games and praised forgotten land as a breath of fresh air, right?
morons on Ganker don't count.
so you're admitting we shouldn't take anything you say seriously?
a lot of core nintendo fans have sheep mentality but you lot aren't proving yourself much wiser
>Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things
No they dont outside of a few forums. In fact, they sell, they are profitable, they get high reviews, they are some of the best selling games on the consoles they exist in. Sonic does because it's a joke, even normies know that Sonic is basically a joke franchise by now
>Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things. Nintendo have had a 40-year pass.
They rehash the correct things. Chess has had a few hundred years pass. That shit ain't never changing.
>"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
It's also a massive fricking cope since all AdventureBlack folk want is DBZ x Sonic. They literally do not want any other kind of Sonic, so this le originality maymay is just code word for "STOP PANDERING TO THE WRONG FANS DADDY SEGA AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Probably becayse part of what people liked about Sonic was getting to see new places that might also inspire new gimmicks. And yeah, a lot of those new places were inspired by old places but the thing is they weren't just straight up those exact same old places, same assets and all. Nintendo's brand is based on giving people the same thing over and over again, Sonic is only doing it because of Nintendo's success and because of either classicgays crying for years or normalgays only being able to recognize GHZ from the Sonic games. All the nostalgia wank falls flat when that's all the franchise has been for like a decade but was hardly like that at all prior to Sonic 4 (a game that, yes, exists).
>Sonic is only doing it because of Nintendo's success
Other than the Kocos, I see no Nintendo influence in Frontiers. I do, however, see a great deal of Phantasy Star in the game.
The world doesn't revolve around Nintendo, man.
>nintendo is shit because it never does anything different it just copies its games >wtf why did this experimental nintendo game get critical acclaim this is BULLSHIT
I don't like BOTW either, but using it as an example does not do you much good. if players like a game it receives positive attention. if you do not like a game, and you do not share an opinion with the majority, it will not be considered a part of the majority consensus.
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so you're admitting we shouldn't take anything you say seriously?
a lot of core nintendo fans have sheep mentality but you lot aren't proving yourself much wiser
It's bias, man. Simple as that. Journalists, Youtubers, they're all fanboys.
Sounds like some tinfoil hat conspiracy, but it's true. Egoraptor, Scott the Woz, Jontron, Dunkey, the list goes on and on. All Nintendo fanboys.
>Simple as that. Journalists, Youtubers, they're all fanboys.
my tinfoil hat theory is that journos' and e-celebs' hateboner for sonic is partially inspired by the 90s sega vs nintendo console wars and their lasting effect on the gen x consoomers
You're either stupid or being insincere, the point was they do nostalgia-grabby shit like Nintendo. What are GHZ and CPZ? Nostalgia-grabby shit. What else are they? Levels in Frontiers, just like they were in Forces, just like they were in Gens.
>Other than the Kocos, I see no Nintendo influence in Frontiers. >Random open world that looks like BoTW >Boost gauge is magically designed to look just like the circle gauge of BoTW's sprinting >Random fricking fishing that was dropped since SA1 along with Big the Fat is back all of a sudden >"Shines" that are just rehashed old levels >The OOT piano pieces in this game instead of the more action rock Sonic used to have, and before you said Sonic used to have piano peives before it still had more action elements in them
I could go on. I'd be surprised if random cooking and cosmetics wasn't in this game for no reason at all. The denile of Nintendoism in Sonic games since Colors is beyond pants on heads copism but now it's even worse since Sonic isn't the only game that has been tainted by beta Zelda 1 in 3D.
>Open world is vibrant. Looks more like the opening map in PSO2: New Genesis. >A circle, really? >Fishing was in Adventure in 1998. >Sure, there's piano. But there's still rock.
Today I learned that BOTW created a genre and inspired everything. Even games that were released before it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>Open world is vibrant.
It's literally just irl grass and no soul. Nothing compared to GHZ, Emerald Hill Zone or even Seaside Hill Zone
>>A circle, really?
Yes, really. No other boost game did it like that and instead had their own original design, now suddenly it looks like the icon straight out of BoTW. Read between the lines moron.
was in Adventure in 1998.
Thanks for repeating my post moron, now continue reading past that point where it says "was dropped since aka hasn't even been considered revising for over 20 fricking years" and suddenly appeared in the game "inspired" by Nintendo's highest selling game of the century that just happen to also have finishing in it. >>Sure, there's piano. But there's still rock.
But not like how it used to be, which is the point. It's soulless by comparison.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nothing compared to GHZ
Don't worry, that's in Frontiers too 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't worry if they actually redesigned it into a remastered/original take on it instead of modding in it from Generations.
>soulless buzzword
Kys.
Cope more
>Looks good to me. Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland. >Means nothing. >Fishing has been in many Zelda games.
Nintendo fans are cultists.
good to me. Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland.
Sonic isn't real, he shouldn't have realistic ass locations straity out of a unreal asset flip. His world is a abstruction of ours, his version of our culture in his cartoonishly stylized way.
has been in many Zelda games.
Makes it more apparent the one that sold the most is still being rippoff off by SEGA in hopes it will magically make their shitty Forces 2 mod somehow a good game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>instead of modding in it from Generations.
That would unironically be an upgrade due to all the handcrafted details in that one. No, we'll be getting the blocky bland version from Forces.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reads like an autist typed it.
Sonic bad!
Good, now go back to Youtube and watch Scott the Woz, tween.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sonic was good.
Just when he wasn't in 3D.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah he was never good
2 years ago
Anonymous
>unreal asset flip. >more buzzwords
Based moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>soulless buzzword
Kys.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Looks good to me. Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland. >Means nothing. >Fishing has been in many Zelda games.
Nintendo fans are cultists.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland.
*Like Scotland or Ireland with some floating bendy straws
2 years ago
Anonymous
>oh noes! out of place rails in my video game fantasy world!
you people are absurd.
its funny how the 2 most popular faces of sonic fans are turbo mega autismos. you never see a regular person who likes sonic, it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy.
chris chan is inexcusable. he should be put feet-first into a wood chipper.
but let's not forget how the smash community had a pedophile outed more often than the game had character reveals.
or the ridiculous pokemon hentai.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ridiculous pokemon hentai.
Because Sonicgays aren't making even weirder, grosser porn and more often.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh, there's some insane shit there.
but nothing on the level of ninetails' prolapsed anus.
deflect all you want.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nothing on the level of ninetails' prolapsed anus.
Ah, to be young and innocent again...
>They're overly negative, nitpicking morons.
After the game releases sure, (in the snse that they're being negative about a new sonic game and the're also morons, but calling a shit game shit isn't "nitpicking", homosexual) because not even they're delusional enough to convince themselves deep fried horseshit like Forces was any good, but you might even be more insane if you think sonic fans don't go on a massive cope fuled hypefest anytime a new sonic game is announced. It happens literally every fricking time.
All these nu nintendo gays mad
Real Nintendo gay here, you are right segagay
These homosexual nu nintedogays are sub human for defending the pozzed company that is nintendo
The problem is that sonic games are pretty short, I beat frontiers in like, what, 10 hours or less? Hearing that they're going to be porting stuff is a huge downside
You have to understand, there exist people so autistic, their entire lives were moulded by corporate rivalries dreamed up by American marketers 30 years ago, to sell plastic to ten year olds.
They think this "war" is still happening.
Sonicgays need every excuse they can get to justify their loyalty to a terrible franchise, even if it is digging up a rivalry from thirty years ago that ended with a humiliating defeat.
Some sonicfans genuinely still believe that the only reason Sonic is mocked for its constant bad decisions is because of a 30 year old console war rivalry.
Sonic would be considered a bargain bin trash series without his IP touching the game. If anything the world is too positive with giving +4 to any of his games.
Not him, but it's true. Nintendo put out the same shit over and over again and you moronic c**ts eat it up.
Now go build your cardboard fort, homosexual.
>BUT WHAT ABOUT NINTENDO
This will never not be what that post and your post is, no matter how many olympic level mental gymnastics you want to pull to convince yourself otherwise. You don't need to be a nintendo fan to see how far Sonic has fallen, Yahtzee is just one example of many critics who shit on Nintendo on a regular basis but will shit on sonic twice as hard for the simple fact that sonic games have been fricking terrible for decades at this point.
You're right check out this troglodyte specimen here
>Sonic fans are mindbroken and will look for any reason to praise a new game before it releases. >praise
You don't know what you're on about. They're overly negative, nitpicking morons. >Nintendo spends 40 years rehashing the same story, setting, characters, items, music and so on. >10/10 masterpiece every time. Untouchable. >Sonic brings back old stages. >morons melt down.
Sally Acorn corrupted the minds of western Sonic fans. She literally disrespects a lot of what Sonic is supposed to be. She was the one main culprit for Sonic being on the current state it is.
She's gone and dead, thankfully. You will never ever see her.
>She was the one main culprit for Sonic being on the current state it is
I'm pretty sure that SEGA and Sonic Team is the reason for the abysmal quality of the games. Not some random character.
No, and they won't be until the CHAD Freedom Fighters return.
Sally Acorn and her consequences have been a disaster for Sonic in the West.
SoJ sees the ideal mate for Sonic as someone who simply joins him on adventures but SoA created Sally as his girlfriend and made him simp over her for over 20 years and her miasma will disappear as soon as Sega finally gets rid of the Archie oldgays.
Sally will never come back because she originated from SoA’s shitty old westernized lore for the series that SoJ actively tried to bury.
Sally Acorn corrupted the minds of western Sonic fans. She literally disrespects a lot of what Sonic is supposed to be. She was the one main culprit for Sonic being on the current state it is.
She's gone and dead, thankfully. You will never ever see her.
This anon is completely correct. Look at how Kirby has managed to survive into modern times and compare it against what Sonic had and lost. The simple truth is that no one wants to just be Sonic any more. It isnt the 90s.
You know how Halo fans have been getting fricked by incompetent devs for 10 years?
Imagine that but for twice the time, with blunder after blunder.
And there is people that STILL think they will do a good game lmao.
>Sonicautists doesn't understand the concept of stretch and squash
Sad.
It's what happens when you worship jap culture too much and forget what Sonic is a western inspired video game character design wise.
>"Stretch and squash" isn't typically something you use with 3D modeling
Are you joking? Or do you seriously not know that squash and stretch has been a thing since 3D animation was first being used?
It's a shame, isn't it? Sonic has some of the most appealingly stylized characters in the video game industry but every time the games are animated by the Japanese in-house they're very stiff and basic in their motions and expressions. It seems that when they are animated by western studios or in fan animations are they used to their full potential.
Part of me would be willing to defend ST by saying the mocap shit was just from not having enough budget to put in any actual thought into how these characters should animate but honestly I think it's that ST simply refuses to animate them like cartoon characters. They're always going to come across as stiff and expressionless when the team isn't taking advantage of the fact that it is a cartoon.
If you've never played a 3D game don't act like you know what you're talking about.
If you have a cartoony 3D character model, you are probably using squash and stretch. They even used it on Mario's attack animations in Mario 64
Have you ever seen a genuine abusive relationship, where one of them gets the shit beat out of them but are too afraid or too subservient to speak up or reach out for help?
Those people have more respect for themselves than the greater Sonic fanbase. Sega really outdid themselves.
You ever just look at modern Sonic and realise what an ugly homosexual of a character he is?
If you didn't know what that character was, and someone showed it to you, you would thing it was some garish Olympics mascot.
its funny how the 2 most popular faces of sonic fans are turbo mega autismos. you never see a regular person who likes sonic, it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy.
>it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy
Sammy was a literal child at the time who shouldn't have been allowed to upload stuff to the internet in the first place. Now he's just a regular, well-adjusted person.
well, adventure released two years later and gets torn to pieces online. what's the matter, can't take it when it's something you like?
fragile nintenbabbys.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>well, adventure released two years later and gets torn to pieces online.
For its game design, yeah. Not sure what that has to do with an early 3D platofrmer having blocky-looking graphics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The first of it's kind is suppose to be flawed. It's how good it is depsite being flawed
SA1 shouldn't have been flawed since they had 3 fricking years to learn from Mario's mistakes. And all they did was add fricking more of them.
And before you said "B-B-B-But it was SEGA's first 3D Sanic game!"
No it wasn't, Jam, Fighters, 3D Blast, R and that failed Sonic Xtreme all came before it. But most importantly, both Rayman and Pacman both had instant jumps from 2D into 3D and pulled them off near perfectly, both just after SA1 released. So there's no argument other than SEGA are shit 3D programers and 3D Sonic was never good.
you kinda have to see the full clip to understand. in the forces one, sonic stands there like an ugly ass moron and the other he's actually in motion and about to dodge an attack
I can go an turn on my N64 and start playing Mario 64
It still one of the best games out there, even sunshine is shit compared to it, in the way Mario moves
It controls like shit, man. Accept it and move on.
I get that you fanboys can't take criticism of any kind and fight to the death to defend your favourite brand, but you're wrong.
It looks like shit and controls like shit.
sonictards are so mindbroken from forces that the most mundane improvements in frontiers are mindblowing to them. Sonic team could barely could animate shit in the cutscenes of forces (when there was an animated cutscene), so this 3 second clip of sonic dodging out of harms way is too much to comprehend.
>having faith in sonic team
How fricking stupid do you actually have to be? They haven't made a good game in 20 goddamn years, what reason does anyone have to believe this is going to be good?
I wish homosexuals stopped jerking off squash and stretch so much. Yes, it's useful, but it shouldn't be treated like the end all be all of animation, and I hate when people pretend they're animation experts when they use this term.
you need to cope with eating silled shit, man.
"this nintendo game is the best ever"
said the nintendo fansite.
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if you think Nintendo and their games don't deserve to be highly rated, that doesn't change the fact that Modern Sonic doesn't deserve any score higher than 4, now cope, your franchise is completely garbage.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't care. said it umpteen times, man. learn to read.
fansites pad review scores. fact is, without them, the games wouldn't be where they are. no high 90s.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea yea, whatever, floptiers is still fricking trash
How much of Sonic autism is down to Archie? They didn't create the console war or the years of shitty games, but Ken Penders alone has done a bit of everything else.
>WHY WON'T YOU GIVE THIS GAME A CHANCE
That only happens when a developer/series has earned benefit of the doubt. Sonic Team and mainline Sonic has lost benefit of the doubt for years now.
Yeah, it is. Even Iizuka said so recently, which is why his current goal is to reverse that and unify everything into interconnected canon except the movies, which will be their own thing. https://www.sonicstadium.org/2022/08/takashi-iizuka-on-connecting-universes-and-creating-a-unified-sonic-experience-sonic-stadium-interview/
>It's sad
have a nice day, doubly so if you're a diaperhomosexual who can't let his squirrel waifu to let her go. Boom is literally the antithesis of Sonic. X and Ova are actual good Sonic media.
Iizuka seems to flip flop between wanting Sonic to have a story or not every few years
Which is amazing because it always derails the franchise immensely
Too splintered to please everyone, yes. Sonic more than any other franchise has so many loose threads that there's no way of satisfying everyone because everyone has this idealized version of that Sonic is all about.
Too splintered to be consistent, no. Problem is consistency isn't part of Sonic Team's vocabulary, never was not even with the classics which had different staff and different focuses. Arguably that's why Sonic won't stay down, if there's anything that can be said about the franchise is that it isn't afraid of trying different shit, both its virtue and its curse.
Yeah, it is. Even Iizuka said so recently, which is why his current goal is to reverse that and unify everything into interconnected canon except the movies, which will be their own thing. https://www.sonicstadium.org/2022/08/takashi-iizuka-on-connecting-universes-and-creating-a-unified-sonic-experience-sonic-stadium-interview/
Like another anon said I wouldn't take anything Iizuka says at face value. He doesn't know what he wants out of Sonic anymore than everyone else. In a way he's the perfect embodiment of the sonic fandom.
they literally can't defend 3d Sonic. really think long and hard, how would YOU defend 3d sonic if you were a huge fan? it all has to be deflection, goalpost moving, and whataboutisms because if they didn't do that they'd have to defend the actual game and they'd get laughed off the face of the earth if they tried honestly defending dogshit like Forces, and they know that.
it's overall worse than generations and worse than the day stages in unleashed
but it's playable atleast, it's just the 2d sections are fricking boring
>i'm going to waste my money on a movie game just to make u mad! u mad?
homosexuals like you who brag about pissing their money away on the latest product never cease to make me smile, like who cares? Sure you're supporting the death of good vidya by giving publishers another reason to keep turning vidya into movies, but so are millions of others, I can't stop it and I can't be mad about another drop of piss in the massive ocean of piss. You're just bragging about spending money to make people mad.
>Sonic fans are happy about something >wtf is wrong with Sonic fans? >Sonic fans are pissed about something >wtf is wrong with Sonic fans?
No frick you I'm tired of this what the FRICK is wrong with people who don't like Sonic at this point? You're the fricking problem c**t
They're moronic and the main reason the franchise went to shit, the way they're so fastidious about how everything MUST be 100% identical to how it was in the very first Sonic game forever is what prevents the developers from taking risks and doing something different, because whenever they do something like that they get browbeaten and harassed until they relent.
No. They can't be happy with anything.
Because some stages were reused they now think EVERYTHING is reused.
Sonic fans are mindbroken and will look for any reason to praise a new game before it releases. The fact this game is still reusing chemical plant and green hillzone from generations already makes it look fricking terrible.
>Sonic fans are mindbroken and will look for any reason to praise a new game before it releases.
>praise
You don't know what you're on about. They're overly negative, nitpicking morons.
>Nintendo spends 40 years rehashing the same story, setting, characters, items, music and so on.
>10/10 masterpiece every time. Untouchable.
>Sonic brings back old stages.
>morons melt down.
Mario is actually a good game, Sonic hasn't been since S3K.
Mario is generic, boring trash overrated by neckbearded 30-somethings who grew up with it and can't see past the unoriginality.
How many times have you saved the Princess now?
do you actually think people play mario for the story
>Mario is generic, boring trash overrated by neckbearded 30-somethings who grew up with it and can't see past the unoriginality.
>How many times have you saved the Princess now?
So did you forget the irony of your post anon?
How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
>How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
4? 5?
Can't compare that to 40 years, man.
>collect Star/Sprite/whatever, beat Bowser, save the Princess
>collect Stone/Shards/whatever, beat Ganon, save the Princess
Every Pokemon, Smash, Kirby, Splatoon game is basically the same too.
>Every Pokemon, Smash, Kirby, Splatoon game is basically the same too.
All because they're good and people demand it stay as such
Sonic is such Black person trash that no one can agree to what he should be best at, because anything he tries is dogshit.
>All because they're good and people demand it stay as such
It's lazy, unoriginal and only gets praised due to bias.
That and autistics tend to love repetition.
>All because they're good
Kirby and Splatoon are the only good franchises listed.
Kirby hasn't been good since 64. Every new game is moronic baby garbage until the very end where theres muh eldritch horror reddit poopy pants shit. Splatoon is quite literally the exact same game every time with minor tweaks like overwatch is doing
>Every new game is moronic baby garbage until the very end where theres muh eldritch horror reddit poopy pants shit.
So...just like KDL2, KDL3, and K64?
>Every Pokemon
Halo fans don't know how good they have compared to this.
>How many times did you go supah saiyan and stop the god monster of the week?
not even once after 2011
meanwhile every mario game revolves around saving a princess
>not even once after 2011
Only two 3D games have released since then, and Mania did something similar with its final boss.
We also know from old leaks that Frontiers ends with the same "Super Sonic vs giant monster" bit too.
At this point DBZ Sonic and monster of the week happens far more often than not, it's just Sonicgays have short term memory whenever SEGA doesn't shit out a rushed turd every 3 months.
a robot isn't the same as a monster. stop reaching.
now again, how many times have you collected some variation of stars, beat bowser and saved the princess? 70?
>a robot isn't the same as a monster. stop reaching.
There's no reaching. Mania's final boss is basically classic Sonic's rendition of a Super Sonic vs monster boss, even down to Eggman losing control once again.
We know Frontiers is doing the same shit too. Sonic repeats itself all the time.
it's literally a robot.
can't compare that to the water monster in adventure or the lizard in adventure 2.
again, stop reaching.
now, how many times have you saved the princess?
>it's literally a robot.
So was Heroes' final boss, but it's still the same shit either way.
still not the same thing. the robot is equal in size to eggman.
answer the question.
>game design
what's bad about it? it's ambitious. recieved worldwide acclaim when it released.
people talk shit now, and that's what's led some to believe that the game was heavilly flawed.
>received worldwide acclaim when it released.
Never happened. World wide acclaim games don't get trashed on in later years, and people rated 3D shitnik games bad as early as 2002. So long before Youtube existed so le meanie e-celebs isn't an argument.
87 on gamerankings.
adventure gets massacred because of the horrendous dx port. something so shit that it's basically a different game entirely.
>87 on gamerankings.
Means nothing. All classic Sonic games were 90s+ without Nintendo biasism being used as a argument. 3D games were just never good and there were far better playformers with higher scores like Rayman 2 and Crash.
Duke Nukem 3D gets shit on years later, all because “his next game afterward sucked”, “misogyny” and “having a jank engine”
>Duke Nukem 3D gets shit on years later
shitting on duke 3D isn't some common occurrence you underage dope
nobody considers the build engine "jank" either lol
hell there's still well-regarded fps games being made with the build engine as a base
I’ve seen a lot of complaints that the Build Engine was janky and had shitty shooting in comparison to Doom and Quake Engine games. Not to mention most of the games made with Build aside from Duke, Blood and Shadow Warrior all sucked.
>I’ve seen a lot of complaints that the Build Engine was janky and had shitty shooting in comparison to Doom and Quake Engine games.
Well those complaints are definitely wrong considering Blood alone has more satisfying gunplay than anything in Doom.
>Not to mention most of the games made with Build aside from Duke, Blood and Shadow Warrior all sucked.
That's an issue with the devs, not the engine. Ion Fury is a quality fps and it uses Build code as a base.
No one does this. Do you think people making fun of Duke as a character isn't born out of love for the character and game?
Considering how butthurt the internet is these days and how gaming articles always try to drag him into political bullshit, no.
journalists aren't real people.
>still not the same thing. the robot is equal in size to eggman.
That doesn't make a difference. Now you're just moving goalposts.
And you're still ignoring the fact that Frontiers will be doing the same shit again too.
>people talk shit now
People have "talked shit" since the mid 2000s. Time to play catch-up, kid.
lol, no. that's you. saying mania's final boss is anything like the water monster from adventure is absurd.
again, unfinished. learn what that means you fricking incapable.
that makes the lack of innovation even worse.
>oh look! a new animal costume in mario! this is a totally unique experience! i'm gonna piss and shit my pants!
>proceeds to bing bing wahoo and save the princess for the trillionth time
>saying mania's final boss is anything like the water monster from adventure is absurd.
Super Sonic fights a powered up robot in Mania just like he does in Heroes. Super Sonic will fight a big final boss monster in Frontiers.
This IP repeats itself all the time.
>again, unfinished.
Again not the point, why is this game going to be good?
i've already said to judge a completed product. not something that's in development. if what we saw in the first trailer was due out tomorrow then sure, have your autistic cicle-jerk meltdowns. but it isn't. so shut the frick up and wait to see what we get.
how? the games are literally fricking identical.
what excuse will you fanboys come up with next? we've already had "they don't need to change or reinvent the wheel all the time".
>the games are literally fricking identical.
They're literally not. You should try playing some. They're good.
Probably blow your mind to play a platformer that's actually made to a standard of quality.
>same story
>same setting
>same characters
>same items
>same music
but one or two tweaks here and there mean they're all unique games!
lol
We've had this conversation before. Mario isn't about story. It's a thin conceit to justify more jumping puzzles.
you're only saying that because you know it's a genuine criticism.
just because the "story doesn't matter" doesn't mean they can get away with rehashing it for 40 fricking years.
the gameplay is always pretty much the same too. they just introduce new ways to do the same old shit.
No one who's older than five years old is getting genuinely excited about saving the princess or defeating Dr Eggman, unless there's something wrong with them, developmentally.
That's not what these games are for. They're for guiding a character through an obstacle course in a way that feels mechanically satisfying.
such a fricking fanboy, man. jesus.
I'm really not, is the thing. If anything I think the Sonic franchise has the potential to be better than the Mario franchise, and I'm mean to Sega because they drop the ball.
>they just introduce new ways to do the same old shit.
Which is what you want, not that you would admit it you Adventuregay.
They have completely changed the basic structure of Mario games several times. They actually very rarely stick to exactly the same thing.
And Sonic doesn't even get new animal costumes, so now you feel silly.
>again, unfinished.
Why do you keep saying this when it isn't true.
because it's literally unfinished? are you moronic?
i told you to go on youtube and do your own research. simple. you'd get the answer to your question in seconds. i'm not spoonfeeding you.
because some companies get panned while others get a pass. it's called an example.
Nintendo "get a pass" when they make good games.
Sonic Team hasn't made a good game, well, ever really. I guess Generations is the closest they have come to a game which is outright solid.
their games are overrated. padded review scores by fansites and biased journalists.
no originality whatsoever. everything is a rehash.
it's not just about sonic. it's any series that gets picked on for reuse while they get a pass, and they're the biggest fricking rehashers of them all.
like
"far cry 4 doesn't do anything original. it's just far cry 3"
"OMG i shat myself. ganon is back again!"
They make Farcry games every second year, and they genuinely are less innovative than Zelda games.
A game having the same bad guy also doesn't mean it's exactly the same thing. I feel like if they called Ganon Barry for a change, you'd be happy with it, because your brain doesn't understand how all of the meme villains in Farcry games are functionally the same villain.
and of course you come to the wrong conclusion.
6 mainline far cry games. series didn't become mainstream until 3.
17 mainline zelda games. series was instantly mainstream.
one got unfairly picked on for lack of innovation. the other is praised for it.
you're a literal moron.
"the story doesn't matter"
the story is the reason for going from a to b.
Most of those Zelda games are only passingly familiar to each other. No one has ever said Skyward Sword is too much like Ocarina of Time. No one has ever said Zelda 2 or Majoras Mask were bland sequels.
In fact the Zelda game that was a little too samey to other Zelda games (Twilight Princess) got a lot of criticism for it.
it must be so easy to sell shit to you people. good god.
it's literally the same story retold in the most generic way possible. muh reincarnashun.
the gameplay never changed in 20 years.
>Eggman bad
>Mario gameplay with rolling
Classicgays have no leg to stand on in this fight
eggman has taken a back seat for decades. chaos, biolizard, metal sonic, whatever the frick with up with 06, unleashed and so on.
shit, they even shoe-horned bowser into sunshine at the end.
lol he's literally been the final villain in a of the games post the ones you've mentioned.
and what have the stories been about? have they all been the same?
still more original than princess kidnapped. ganon back.
It's actually not though is the thing. Wind Waker for example may feature Ganon, but it completely recontextualises the Zelda series as a high seas pirate adventure, and gives the whole thing a visual overhaul.
so you don't collect stones, get the master sword, beat ganon and save the princess?
we go back to -
>oh, there's a new animal costume in mario. this game is totally different from the rest and is an entirely new experience!
>poceeds to do the same old shit
nintendo fans are the very bottom of stupid.
>dude, don't make sequels ever
>make Sonic Adventure 3 though
never said that.
a new skin doesn't mean a new experience.
understand this.
In some cases it does. The whole aesthetic experience of Wind Waker is completely different to the rest of the series.
but the core of it is identical to the rest of the games in the series.
again, a new skin doesn't mean a new experience.
Define in detail what you think Zelda's "core" is.
just like mario, zelda's core is it's plot.
the reason you go from a to b. the story. the formula.
you're the hero, or reincarnation of, you collect some variation of magical stones, collect the master sword, beat ganon, save the princess.
that's it.
zelda at the core, and the basic blueprint of 40 years worth of games and at the very least the plot of 90% of them.
>zelda's core is it's plot.
It's not. It's more a general feeling of adventure that comes with the intersection of exploration, puzzles, and combat.
This is also good, and doesn't need to change on a fundamental level for the series to "freshen up". That's how you ruin franchises.
And if you're going to get mad at Zelda games, you should also be mad at Okami, for being Zelda by any other name. Is it okay when Okami does it, or not?
what is the reason for adventure?
that would be the plot.
without reason, there's no adventure.
No. I've played plenty of games without knowing or caring about the plot, and still been absorbed in the adventure.
of course you have. if you like mindlessly roaming around doing nothing, then fine. good for you.
but the plot is the reason for adventure.
any good book, movie or whatever else exists purely because of the plot.
The true plot of a video game, is always the plot of the player interacting with the game system. I don't care about conquering Ganon, because he isn't real. I do care about conquering the game, who's antagonist is represented in the form of Ganon.
you are a pretentious, overanalyzing moron.
>"oh hello, bilbo. what are you doing?"
>"ah dunno lol"
end
adventure!
That's a novel, not a video game.
in this situation, it's the same thing.
you play, hoping the hero wins in the end.
you read, hoping the hero wins in the end.
No, I play because I want to win. Different thing altogether.
so, you don't pay attention to the story, you prefer to wander around.
but you do play to win.
you make no sense.
I didn't say I didn't pay attention to the story, but I wouldn't read a book of any of these stories. They're a sideshow. The fact that something about the mechanical design of the game is satisfying to me is why I'm playing.
Caring about conquering the game, rather than aimlessly "adventuring", means you care about the plot.
You're undermining your own argument.
No, it means I get a certain satisfaction out of beating a series of mechanical puzzles within a virtual space. I don't have to be absorbed in the plot at all.
So you'd get the same sensation playing with a rubik's cube?
I don't like rubiks cubes. I'd rather play pinball.
you do realize that there is more then just sega and Nintendo right?
>and what have the stories been about? >have they all been the same?
No but they have continuity.
>Eggman + some generic elder-god Akira being who he awokens and inevitably fails to control
Man, they're just wowing me with these stories.
I wouldn't say Eggman took a backseat in SA2, in fact that was his shining moment. He nearly almost killed Sonic in that game, and if it weren't for Gerald's revenge plan he would've blasted earth into smithereens. He did way more with carrying out that plan than Shadow did tbh.
>it must be so easy to sell shit to you people. good god.
Sorry. Aren't you a modern Sonic fan?
not really. just someone annoyed at how one company gets praised while others get panned for doing the same thing.
That's not what happens though, and we have told you why multiple times.
that's literally what happens, you oblivious child.
How is a new Zelda every five years the same as a new Assassin's Creed every single year?
can we talk about what about the Sonic franchise attracts autists like this
I don't get why Sonic is THE autism magnet out of all the IP's in the world
The sonic fandom only got "autistic" when SA2 came out on the gamecube
Take a guess why
>Take a guess why
Shadow the Hedgehog? I honestly don't know because I haven't played through either SA games fully, I played Sonic 1, 2, and 3&k, then the franchise kinda died to me when my parents bought me Sonic 3D instead of Sonic CD for my birthday, and that game was so bad it made me step back from the franchise
I remember playing Sonic Adventure 1 at a friends and feeling like I had no idea what was going on, shit like:
>why are there humans?
>why are they on Earth?
>why is Robotnik called "Dr Eggman"? that name is shit
>what's wrong with their mouths?
>why is this so awkward and spastic to control?
>what the frick is this "Big the Cat" bullshit?
I felt the series had jumped several sharks at once and I wasn't interested in any of it, so honestly I can't really say what it is about SA that attracted the autists so much
Did you ever play Mania?
yeah, Mania was great, though I feel like it relied too much on old levels, as if they were unsure how people would react to the new stuff, but I thought it was all great and very in-keeping with what people loved about the series in the first place
Press Garden was my favorite. Still pissed that Mirage Saloon Act 2 is so fricking short.
>spoonfeeding
Call it whatever you like, I call it proof, but you're actually admitting at this point that you don't want to prove the horseshit that comes out of your mouth. I bet you spent the past half hour depseratly trying to find said proof but couldn't so now you have to make this pathetic cop out. You should've stayed gone you corporate wienersucking cretin. I don't even know what you're tryong to prove, you cannot deny the fact that Sonic team hasn't made a good mainline title since SA (arguably, i think adventures 1&2 are shit but i do get why people like them) so what fricking problem do you actually have with people thinking the next one is going to be a turd like the last dozen? Let me repeat myself, they literally haven't made a single good new mainline sonic game in 20 fricking years. What possible reason is there to believe this time is going to be different? Don't sidestep the question this time, why should I believe this game is going to be good? What positive things does Fronteirs actually have going for it?
is a google search so difficult? how about looking up youtube? in the time it took you to post that chunk of text you could've looked it up and saw how wrong and stupid you are.
but no. nintendo baby needs spoonfed.
You're an absolute coward, just shut the frick up already, you aren't here for an honest argument.
am i supposed to waste time typing a massive wall of text just to be brushed off?
just look it up, you inept frick. it's not difficult.
here, i'll help get you started -
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sonic+frontiers
Yes, when you make a claim the burden of proof lies on you, stop acting like it doesn't, coward.
You've wasted enough time getting verbally raped by everyone ITT without making a single real argument so I didn't think explaining yourself would be all that big a deal to you
It looks like shit and you literally can't prove otherwise
So is this supposed to look good or something? It still looks like another Sonic game no one wants
Literally looks like the best and most ambitious Sonic game since SA2
SA2 wasn't good or ambitious.
>these sonic haters are so negative they never focus on the positive!
>ok what are the positives
>JUST GOOGLE IT
I pray you're being paid for this, no one can honestly be this much of an out of touch butthole.
Black person it's not the fricking 90s anymore, Nintendo vs Sega has been a dead topic for well over 20 years, NO ONE fricking likes modern sonic or sonic team, it's become one of the most notouriously raped and ruined franchises in vidya history.
The story in a Mario game is inconsequential, and is usually treated in a tongue-in-cheek manner by Nintendo. The story in Sonic games has been the primary focus since the Dreamcast era, so the fact that it's moronic is actually important.
>and is usually treated in a tongue-in-cheek manner by Nintendo.
So they're only pretending to be unoriginal?
Will you dorks ever take criticism?
Lol, just lol.
>Mario is...overrated by neckbearded 30-somethings
Sonic was never good.
Sonic was always good. Even back in the day, the Sonic games were superior to Mario.
Extra characters in Sonic had their own abilities. Extra characters in Mario were just palette swaps.
Seethe eternally.
They hated him because he told the truth.
>he didn't play Sonic Pinball
I pity you.
Pac-Man is superior
>Has better rolling physics than 3D Sonic
>Has better platforming than 3D Sonic
>Has jumped into 3D far smoother than 3D Sonic
I should be mad but I'm not, just impressed really.
People like you are the reason why the series has been in this shit hole for the past 12 years and why we haven't seen much of any Sonic character besides Tails, Sonic, and Eggman outside of Boom. I don't know why other game franchises are allowed tho have a deceent cast but if they try to do it with Sonic all hell breaks loose.
>People like you
Shitposters?
Unironically yes. Game companies tend to see this crap and interpret it as actual feedback, and once when they make the changes they refuse to dial it back when it gets backlash.
It's because Sonic Team are moronic. Literally no one told them to get rid of Knuckles. You can't blame fans for this utter failure of communication.
Never forget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJkAbT-mFPM
>we want sonic to be faster!
>we don't want sonic friends showing up!
>we want a more lighthearted story like mario!
I hate gaming journalists so fricking much
I'm sick of Ad Nintendum argument, not everything they do is good. There's a reason why I am a Sonic fan and I don't fanboy over anything Nintendo. Reuse for 40 years is one of those bad things.
>There's a reason why I am a Sonic fan and I don't fanboy over anything Nintendo.
Because you're a stupid Black person? Or that you're just some Black person assmade about people not worshiping Sonic and you as a person means jack all?
The majority considers Mario good and Sonic bad, end of story. At best all people see from his games is mediocre or "good enough" at best they see him as inferior to anything else and his appeal has nothing to do with the games themselves.
Ad populum, no argument. normalgays don't matter
>The majority considers Mario good and Sonic bad
lol imagine unironically holding this consumer mentality
>the majority considers the MCU good so that means its good
>>the majority considers the MCU good so that means its good
Yes, anon, just because Ganker hates x doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong.
>good things are only good if other people say they are
even going beyond sonic this is a dumbfrick mentality to have
i sure hope you've preordered the next Last of Us remake, reserved seats for the new Little Mermaid remake and bought a subscription to Disney+, because journos and nerd culture critics say it's good
make sure to tweet #SheHulk after you finish watching this week's episode!
>>good things are only good if other people say they are
If everyone said water was good and you decided to be a Gankerirgin moronic contrarian and drink bleach just to prove a point, no one would miss you after you killed yourself for being a moronic c**t. In fact, go ahead, prove everyone wrong that water isn't good by drinking bleach right now. I'll wait.
>conflating water, something objectively necessary to live, with fricking nintendo games
peak tendie consoomer mentality
nintendo has lazily copypasted shit before and been called out accordingly
the difference is they're able to make half-decent games without having to rely on copypasting assets from better games, a feat modern sonic can barely manage even while reusing all of their assets
Lol, when have Nintendo ever been called out? When have their major games ever recieved even mediocre reviews?
Their games are literally all the same.
The ONE time they broke the Zelda cycle was 22 years ago and even then it was just recycled OOT assets.
>When have their major games ever recieved even mediocre reviews?
Gamecube era
Which ones? Wind Waker, Sunshine and so on are in the 90s.
you must be new to the community.
they literally spent weeks seething over an incomplete game. an early build at that.
>should we sit down and give it a chance? some time? we haven't seen everything
>no. i'm going on an autism-fuelled meltdown and may even frick my 80 year-old mother.
Yes but they're in the lower 90s which if they weren't Nintendo games, would be like in the 70s or high 60s.
>REEEEEEE STOP DISLIKING THINGS
This isn't even an argument, you're just pissed people don't like a shitty looking game
like it or don't. i don't give a particle of a shit.
but don't show your age by punching walls over unfinished shit, you sad toddler frick.
by all means, if hat we saw in the first trailer was due out tomorrow, then pan it into the ground.
but it was an early build and looks better every time we see it.
cope, seethe, dilate and all that jazz.
>i don't give a particle of a shit.
you clearly do you sad homosexual
>"you're mad people dislike thing"
>NO I'M NOT!!! I DON'T EVEN CARE
>proceeds to b***h and moan more about how people don't like thing
Congrats, you're officially dumber than the average sonicgay, I couldn't do that if I tried.
>I couldn't do that if I tried.
and you had to exaggerate to try to make a point.
silly child.
criticise a finished product, not something that's still in development.
Stop acting like you're so high and mighty for not shitting on sonic team, you can't even come up with a real argument. All you can do is sit and cry because people are being mean to sonic team
not crying. just not a special needs child like yourself who don't understand what "work in progress" means.
i can see you dorks going into an art studio and shitting yourselves over incomplete pictures. lol.
>getting this assmad at people shitting on a modern sonic game
Do you think it's still the fricking 90s or something? Have you seen Sonic's track record in the past 20 years, it's been nothing but shit how could you blame anyone for not having faith in yet another shitty looking 3d sonic game?
>NO NO NO NO IT'S NOT FINISHED YET STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
If they didn't want people to talk about it then they shouldn't have shown anything about it, unfortunatly when a popular new thing is revealed people are going to talk about it and have differing opinions on it, sorry but that's how people work. Cry more
>If they didn't want people to talk about it then they shouldn't have shown anything about it
fans demanded footage. they gave them it.
also, it doesn't matter what it is. an unfinished product is an unfinished product. and judging it shows how lacking you all are.
>YOU CAN'T JUDGE SOMETHING BEFORE IT'S RELEASED
says who? you? ok lol, yeah i'm sure everything will be ironed out in a couple months, it worked out fantastic for cyberpunk right?
different situation.
and yes, the vast majority of issues have been fixed. reception now has done a complete 180. just shows that waiting and not being a spaz pays off.
and what mistakes did they add?
i want real answers here, not something you've copied and pasted.
>and yes, the vast majority of issues have been fixed
Such as? Stop saying shit without backing it up you pussy
do you need spoonfed?
>animation
>performance
you need to leave the echochamber and watch videos from people who've actually played it. reception is now very positive.
>THEY FIXED IT
>how?
>...THEY JUST DID OK THEY FIXED THE ANIMATIONS AND STUFF
>ok but how?
That isn't proof
nobody said any of that. stop exaggerating shit to try to make a point, spaz. have the decency to quote and not put your own spin on it.
and again, do your research.
entirely different fights. take your own advice and stop moving goalposts.
once more, how many times have you saved the princesses now? i've answered your question, now answer mine.
You literally gave two things they "fixed" with out any real proof
Ok so why is this game going to be any good? What are the positives?
>entirely different fights.
All Super Sonic fights are "different" but are still based around the same premise. Lost World and Forces are outliers, not evidence of a common occurrence. Frontiers will be yet another example of this common occurrence.
This IP repeats itself all the time.
>and what mistakes did they add?
>Worse camera (something Mario 64 introduced, but somehow made worse only in Sonic as other platformers actually tried to fix it)
>Worse collision, it's a fricking joke next to how often it could occur in 64, which only happened by intended actions, not just casually playing the game.
>Worse level design, the platforming is downgraded in favor of scripted automated animation paths that remove control from the player when it works and when it doesn't you spaz out and faill into the void.
>Worse loading, there's literally no load times because of cartridge but is on CDs, which wouldn't be fixed for another 5 generations of gaming
>Autistic story telling that has only made the fanbase uninhabitable, unlike Mario which only has that for coomers at best and the subhumans that enjoyed Paper Mario for plot instead of gameplay.
The list can go on and on but I'd be here all day.
Mario 64 has a far shittier camera. Sunshine had it far better.
and this shows how little you actually know. the dx version is bad. buggy as hell. the original Dreamcast version, which neither you or your beloved nintendo butt buddies have played, has little issues.
>level design
literally one of the things the game was praised for.
>it means nothing because it shows i'm a moron
lol
the anime? eh it's pretty good it's a pretty shit setting to be made into a game though everything looks exactly the same and you can't tell which one from which.
>an unfinished product is an unfinished product
But it's not unfinished. Considering its release window, Frontiers has either already gone gold at this point, or is on the verge of doing so.
The recent demo footage is basically what the final game will look like, warts and all.
>Have you seen Sonic's track record in the past 20 years, it's been nothing but shit how could you blame anyone for not having faith in yet another shitty looking 3d sonic game?
Stop sidestepping this point you homosexual
>criticise a finished product, not something that's still in development.
Frontiers releases in around a month or so. At this point it is practically finished.
The only real improvements that have been made since the initial footage was shown is some added polish for certain animations and visual effects. Everything else looks the same. Even the playable demos still showed noticeable pop-in, which means it's here to stay.
and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
you autistic fricks nitpick and oversell everything to do with sonic. it's laughable.
>and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
Yes, since this has been a solved issue since Sonic fricking R
The fact japs can't into fade in transitions despite literally every western IP does it since the PS1 era proves Japs just think it looks good when it fricking doesn't.
>and pop in is enough reason to go ballistic?
The style of pop-in seen in Frontiers is pretty pathetic for an open game released in 2022.
>Even the playable demos still showed noticeable pop-in, which means it's here to stay.
Ninsony said it would be the case, and he's a Ubisoft employee. If even Ubisoft devs think Frontiers will be shit, it's going to be shit.
>like it or don't. i don't give a particle of a shit.
Actions speak louder than words (or in your case screeches), sperg-kun.
>the difference is they're able to make half-decent games without having to rely on copypasting assets
anon, i..
>they can make decent games without having to rely on copypasting assets = they have never copypasted assets
?
>sequel set in the exact same place
>”Why didn’t they completely remake all the assets for no reason???”
Just because the sonic team hasn't been able to find a formula good enough to stick with in 20 years doesn't mean that every single series that has settled into an actual identity with an actual fanbase is lazy
"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
If I get bored of a series I like I can just move onto another of the hundreds of thousands of games out there that have completely different strengths and appeals. No use demanding they break something that isn't broken because of some moronic notion that every game series needs to constantly reinvent the wheel instead of just polishing what works.
>"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
Like headache-inducing 3D, motion controls, portability and all the new ways to play the same old shit?
See, people apply this mindset to Nintendo but don't give others the same treatment. Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things. Nintendo have had a 40-year pass.
this might come as a shock to you, but when the game and formula are consistently solid and play nicely, people are willing to look past repetition and rehashing
>b-but I DONT LIKE IT SO-
yes, we know, you're a sonic fan. don't need to remind us
>people are willing to look past repetition and rehashing
Only if its nintendo.
and that's why absolutely no one complained about the oversaturation of 2D kirby games and praised forgotten land as a breath of fresh air, right?
>w-well I didn't see-
you're a moron
>and that's why absolutely no one complained about the oversaturation of 2D kirby games and praised forgotten land as a breath of fresh air, right?
morons on Ganker don't count.
>If you enjoy it, you're le consoomer
>If you complain, you're a moron on Ganker
Exactly there is no winning here.
forgotten land is one of the most forgettable kirby games
This.
Nintendo are the Disney of video games. So big that any complaints are drowned out.
>Only if its nintendo.
FromSoft has been making the same game for over a decade, and their biggest innovation to the concept was "open world lmao" and people STILL want more.
No excuse.
And that's just moronic cope and bias on display.
It wouldn't be so bad if critics and fans didn't hail every Nintendo game as some genre-defining benchmark, historic achievement and the absolute pinnacle of gaming. But they do. Every single time.
Open world Zelda
>barren map
>brittle weapons
>enemies are just different colours of each other
>gets universal acclaim
>nintendo is shit because it never does anything different it just copies its games
>wtf why did this experimental nintendo game get critical acclaim this is BULLSHIT
I don't like BOTW either, but using it as an example does not do you much good. if players like a game it receives positive attention. if you do not like a game, and you do not share an opinion with the majority, it will not be considered a part of the majority consensus.
so you're admitting we shouldn't take anything you say seriously?
a lot of core nintendo fans have sheep mentality but you lot aren't proving yourself much wiser
>Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things
No they dont outside of a few forums. In fact, they sell, they are profitable, they get high reviews, they are some of the best selling games on the consoles they exist in. Sonic does because it's a joke, even normies know that Sonic is basically a joke franchise by now
Bro, you realise they make a new Zelda or Mario game like once every four to six years, not literally every year?
>Far Cry, FIFA, AC, Souls, Sonic and so on get massacred by people when they rehash things. Nintendo have had a 40-year pass.
They rehash the correct things. Chess has had a few hundred years pass. That shit ain't never changing.
>"muh originality" does not matter if the originality in question is half-assed and doomed to have all of its positive qualities repeatedly dropped in favor of the next gimmicky attempt
It's also a massive fricking cope since all AdventureBlack folk want is DBZ x Sonic. They literally do not want any other kind of Sonic, so this le originality maymay is just code word for "STOP PANDERING TO THE WRONG FANS DADDY SEGA AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Probably becayse part of what people liked about Sonic was getting to see new places that might also inspire new gimmicks. And yeah, a lot of those new places were inspired by old places but the thing is they weren't just straight up those exact same old places, same assets and all. Nintendo's brand is based on giving people the same thing over and over again, Sonic is only doing it because of Nintendo's success and because of either classicgays crying for years or normalgays only being able to recognize GHZ from the Sonic games. All the nostalgia wank falls flat when that's all the franchise has been for like a decade but was hardly like that at all prior to Sonic 4 (a game that, yes, exists).
>Sonic is only doing it because of Nintendo's success
Other than the Kocos, I see no Nintendo influence in Frontiers. I do, however, see a great deal of Phantasy Star in the game.
The world doesn't revolve around Nintendo, man.
It's bias, man. Simple as that. Journalists, Youtubers, they're all fanboys.
Sounds like some tinfoil hat conspiracy, but it's true. Egoraptor, Scott the Woz, Jontron, Dunkey, the list goes on and on. All Nintendo fanboys.
>Simple as that. Journalists, Youtubers, they're all fanboys.
my tinfoil hat theory is that journos' and e-celebs' hateboner for sonic is partially inspired by the 90s sega vs nintendo console wars and their lasting effect on the gen x consoomers
You're either stupid or being insincere, the point was they do nostalgia-grabby shit like Nintendo. What are GHZ and CPZ? Nostalgia-grabby shit. What else are they? Levels in Frontiers, just like they were in Forces, just like they were in Gens.
>Other than the Kocos, I see no Nintendo influence in Frontiers.
>Random open world that looks like BoTW
>Boost gauge is magically designed to look just like the circle gauge of BoTW's sprinting
>Random fricking fishing that was dropped since SA1 along with Big the Fat is back all of a sudden
>"Shines" that are just rehashed old levels
>The OOT piano pieces in this game instead of the more action rock Sonic used to have, and before you said Sonic used to have piano peives before it still had more action elements in them
I could go on. I'd be surprised if random cooking and cosmetics wasn't in this game for no reason at all. The denile of Nintendoism in Sonic games since Colors is beyond pants on heads copism but now it's even worse since Sonic isn't the only game that has been tainted by beta Zelda 1 in 3D.
>Open world is vibrant. Looks more like the opening map in PSO2: New Genesis.
>A circle, really?
>Fishing was in Adventure in 1998.
>Sure, there's piano. But there's still rock.
Today I learned that BOTW created a genre and inspired everything. Even games that were released before it.
>>Open world is vibrant.
It's literally just irl grass and no soul. Nothing compared to GHZ, Emerald Hill Zone or even Seaside Hill Zone
>>A circle, really?
Yes, really. No other boost game did it like that and instead had their own original design, now suddenly it looks like the icon straight out of BoTW. Read between the lines moron.
was in Adventure in 1998.
Thanks for repeating my post moron, now continue reading past that point where it says "was dropped since aka hasn't even been considered revising for over 20 fricking years" and suddenly appeared in the game "inspired" by Nintendo's highest selling game of the century that just happen to also have finishing in it.
>>Sure, there's piano. But there's still rock.
But not like how it used to be, which is the point. It's soulless by comparison.
>Nothing compared to GHZ
Don't worry, that's in Frontiers too 🙂
I wouldn't worry if they actually redesigned it into a remastered/original take on it instead of modding in it from Generations.
Cope more
good to me. Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland.
Sonic isn't real, he shouldn't have realistic ass locations straity out of a unreal asset flip. His world is a abstruction of ours, his version of our culture in his cartoonishly stylized way.
has been in many Zelda games.
Makes it more apparent the one that sold the most is still being rippoff off by SEGA in hopes it will magically make their shitty Forces 2 mod somehow a good game.
>instead of modding in it from Generations.
That would unironically be an upgrade due to all the handcrafted details in that one. No, we'll be getting the blocky bland version from Forces.
Reads like an autist typed it.
Sonic bad!
Good, now go back to Youtube and watch Scott the Woz, tween.
Sonic was good.
Just when he wasn't in 3D.
Nah he was never good
>unreal asset flip.
>more buzzwords
Based moron.
>soulless buzzword
Kys.
>Looks good to me. Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland.
>Means nothing.
>Fishing has been in many Zelda games.
Nintendo fans are cultists.
>Like a fantasy version of Scotland or Ireland.
*Like Scotland or Ireland with some floating bendy straws
>oh noes! out of place rails in my video game fantasy world!
you people are absurd.
chris chan is inexcusable. he should be put feet-first into a wood chipper.
but let's not forget how the smash community had a pedophile outed more often than the game had character reveals.
or the ridiculous pokemon hentai.
>ridiculous pokemon hentai.
Because Sonicgays aren't making even weirder, grosser porn and more often.
oh, there's some insane shit there.
but nothing on the level of ninetails' prolapsed anus.
deflect all you want.
>nothing on the level of ninetails' prolapsed anus.
Ah, to be young and innocent again...
Wanna bet?
Yes. Prove me wrong.
It quite literally is.
Don't bother, he's shitposting.
It looks like they used PSO engine and environments
>They're overly negative, nitpicking morons.
After the game releases sure, (in the snse that they're being negative about a new sonic game and the're also morons, but calling a shit game shit isn't "nitpicking", homosexual) because not even they're delusional enough to convince themselves deep fried horseshit like Forces was any good, but you might even be more insane if you think sonic fans don't go on a massive cope fuled hypefest anytime a new sonic game is announced. It happens literally every fricking time.
>NINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDO
Decades since your last console and you are still mindbroken.
Keep drinking the kool-aid, brother.
Did you enjoy your cardboard and princess story rehashes? You're such a big boy now.
>NOOO I'M NOT MINDBROKEN I NINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDONINTENDO
Meds.
Put down the cardboard and leave the kids alone.
Leave them.
>nintendo out of absolutely nowhere
Sega lost, Soniccel.
Just a comparison.
When did Nintendo do anything as ambitious as the Dreamcast? Shenmue? PSO?
Well, there is LABO, I suppose.
All these nu nintendo gays mad
Real Nintendo gay here, you are right segagay
These homosexual nu nintedogays are sub human for defending the pozzed company that is nintendo
I actually like Nintendo. I just hate the bias and double standards.
>YUP, EVEN ME, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANON FINDS THIS KINDA LOGICAL
The problem is that sonic games are pretty short, I beat frontiers in like, what, 10 hours or less? Hearing that they're going to be porting stuff is a huge downside
How the frick did you play the game so early?
Why do sonicgays always immediately ape out and deflect to Nintendo?
>Why do people use one of the most powerful and influential companies in the industry as an example
Oh look. It’s a moronic person.
Over explaining your moronic thought process doesn't suddenly not make it a whataboutism
You have to understand, there exist people so autistic, their entire lives were moulded by corporate rivalries dreamed up by American marketers 30 years ago, to sell plastic to ten year olds.
They think this "war" is still happening.
Sonicgays need every excuse they can get to justify their loyalty to a terrible franchise, even if it is digging up a rivalry from thirty years ago that ended with a humiliating defeat.
Some sonicfans genuinely still believe that the only reason Sonic is mocked for its constant bad decisions is because of a 30 year old console war rivalry.
>Overly negative
Sonic would be considered a bargain bin trash series without his IP touching the game. If anything the world is too positive with giving +4 to any of his games.
actually true
LOL
LMAO
ROFLMAO EVEN
Not him, but it's true. Nintendo put out the same shit over and over again and you moronic c**ts eat it up.
Now go build your cardboard fort, homosexual.
>BUT WHAT ABOUT NINTENDO
This will never not be what that post and your post is, no matter how many olympic level mental gymnastics you want to pull to convince yourself otherwise. You don't need to be a nintendo fan to see how far Sonic has fallen, Yahtzee is just one example of many critics who shit on Nintendo on a regular basis but will shit on sonic twice as hard for the simple fact that sonic games have been fricking terrible for decades at this point.
Just admit that you're a furry homosexual and you only pretend to like the games to groom 14 year olds
>groom
I'm not a Smash player.
How does he groom if Smash online never works?
sorry anon, but story, characters, etc don't mean much to me when your gameplay and level design is shit
There is not a single good, not even decent really, Sonic 3D game,
>BUT NINTENDO
Yep, mindbroken.
>Genesis gay is still mindbroken from the 4th gen war
Holy shit it’s been nearly 30 years, get over it already
You're right check out this troglodyte specimen here
So you have the tism?
Sounds like Pokegays
No game outside from straight up remakes reuses maps you stupid fricking snoy.
They are autistic!
Faceblindness is a common autistic symptom.
could be asking the same to OP for making a thread with a twitter screenshot
No, and they won't be until the CHAD Freedom Fighters return.
If you ever want that (you) need to get ken penders to play Roblox
Sally will never come back because she originated from SoA’s shitty old westernized lore for the series that SoJ actively tried to bury.
The western lore is superior. I have a mecha transform fetish because of the sonic cartoon and comics
Origins has defined Spinball as canon, so in a way, she did come back.
Kys
Kys
>Origins has defined Spinball as canon, so in a way, she did come back.
Change your diapers.
Unironically have a nice day.
BASED SEGA
Frick the westshit.
Frick Fartchie OCshit.
Based SoJ. Archiegays are a dying breed and I couldn't be anymore glad.
Sally Acorn corrupted the minds of western Sonic fans. She literally disrespects a lot of what Sonic is supposed to be. She was the one main culprit for Sonic being on the current state it is.
She's gone and dead, thankfully. You will never ever see her.
>She was the one main culprit for Sonic being on the current state it is
I'm pretty sure that SEGA and Sonic Team is the reason for the abysmal quality of the games. Not some random character.
Hi, Richmunk.
Freedom homosexuals will never come back.
'06 unironically made much less damage to the series' reputation than a godawful diapergay fanfiction furryshit.
Sally Acorn and her consequences have been a disaster for Sonic in the West.
SoJ sees the ideal mate for Sonic as someone who simply joins him on adventures but SoA created Sally as his girlfriend and made him simp over her for over 20 years and her miasma will disappear as soon as Sega finally gets rid of the Archie oldgays.
Holy fricking based.
have a nice day.
This anon is completely correct. Look at how Kirby has managed to survive into modern times and compare it against what Sonic had and lost. The simple truth is that no one wants to just be Sonic any more. It isnt the 90s.
You know how Halo fans have been getting fricked by incompetent devs for 10 years?
Imagine that but for twice the time, with blunder after blunder.
And there is people that STILL think they will do a good game lmao.
I was thinking about Halo's funeral that happened a couple days ago the other night and I got a headache that lasted for like 4 hours
GUESS WHAT TIME IT IS EVERYBODY
>Sonicautists doesn't understand the concept of stretch and squash
Sad.
It's what happens when you worship jap culture too much and forget what Sonic is a western inspired video game character design wise.
He was originally. The Uekawa redesign is 100% Japanese though.
No it's not, it's a Japanese drawing of a western character. This is like saying if Trigger animated XJ9 makes her 100% Japanese
Yes.
"Stretch and squash" isn't typically something you use with 3D modeling.
>"Stretch and squash" isn't typically something you use with 3D modeling.
Do Sonicgays fricking REALLY?
Now post a tekken still image.
Only on Ganker could I ever hear such a moronic post. Like, have you ever heard of the movie "Hotel Transylvania"?
>He's comparing a fricking game designed with real ass humans next to a cartoon neon blue rat
Yep, only on Ganker.
Ganker it a pretty moronic board barely smarter than /x/.
NLG are gods when it comes to conveying emotion in games
Damn I forgot Sonic Heroes was never a game
>"Stretch and squash" isn't typically something you use with 3D modeling
Are you joking? Or do you seriously not know that squash and stretch has been a thing since 3D animation was first being used?
A Sonictard that had to deal with shitty Jap mocapped animations only knows so little anon, give them a break.
It's a shame, isn't it? Sonic has some of the most appealingly stylized characters in the video game industry but every time the games are animated by the Japanese in-house they're very stiff and basic in their motions and expressions. It seems that when they are animated by western studios or in fan animations are they used to their full potential.
Part of me would be willing to defend ST by saying the mocap shit was just from not having enough budget to put in any actual thought into how these characters should animate but honestly I think it's that ST simply refuses to animate them like cartoon characters. They're always going to come across as stiff and expressionless when the team isn't taking advantage of the fact that it is a cartoon.
first 3d sonic btw
(insert Tom and Jerry pain noises)
If you've never played a 3D game don't act like you know what you're talking about.
If you have a cartoony 3D character model, you are probably using squash and stretch. They even used it on Mario's attack animations in Mario 64
>"squash and stretch isn't used in 3D Animation at all"
fricking idiot.
>Average Gankertard IQ
Why Sonic always attracts so much autism?
It went on Gamecube.
Then the autism came.
True, the adventure games reached a wider audience on the gamecube, as well as the mega and gems collections.
They keep on churning out shitty 3D games, what do you think?
is adventure the only sonic design where they at least tried to not give him one big ass sclera
What are you talking about?
All modern Sonic designs sans the movie actively has no indentation to make his eyes look separate. Only classic does when he actually emotes.
Have you ever seen a genuine abusive relationship, where one of them gets the shit beat out of them but are too afraid or too subservient to speak up or reach out for help?
Those people have more respect for themselves than the greater Sonic fanbase. Sega really outdid themselves.
>Have you ever seen a genuine abusive relationship
The only relationship Nintendies have is grooming kids in Smash.
Why is it so hard for Sonicgays to just move on to another franchise?
Especially since Spark 3 and FP2 just came out and yet they still don't care and want the next Sonic Trashfire.
Will you please stop shilling this store brand immitation garbage?
Because Sonic is Sega's Pokemon.
Nobody does "fast platformer" better than Sonic. Same reason why Pokémon is still on the top, nobody has really made anything better than it.
>B-B-B-BUT MUH NINTENDO
Sonic experiments too much, this open world shit is going to flop hard
They haven't been okay in 20 years.
>This is what the average Ganker Sonicgay thinks 3D animation should look like
You ever just look at modern Sonic and realise what an ugly homosexual of a character he is?
If you didn't know what that character was, and someone showed it to you, you would thing it was some garish Olympics mascot.
>you would thing it was some garish Olympics mascot.
Ironic, since he has games about those.
Take your meds and take a nap, anon. You're acting particularly autistic today.
Sonic's mouth was better in the middle
Frontier is shit, you're discussing with genuine shills, no one gives a shit about Sonic today.
>Are Sonic fans okay?
No, Their Fantasies Can Never be Quenched!
its funny how the 2 most popular faces of sonic fans are turbo mega autismos. you never see a regular person who likes sonic, it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy.
>it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy
Sammy was a literal child at the time who shouldn't have been allowed to upload stuff to the internet in the first place. Now he's just a regular, well-adjusted person.
>you never see a regular person who likes sonic, it's always fricked up people like CWC or sammy.
*Ahem*
Why does Cybershell always look like he hasn't slept in two weeks?
Some of us have thinner-than-average skin around our eyes that makes them appear consistently dark/tired.
he looks like a price is right contestant
Because every night he stays up hoping sonic will be good again
He made a vow to only sleep if a single 3D sonic game turns out being good
>implying any of them jokers are regular people
I should slap you silly. Just because you want to frick them, doesn't mean they're normal.
Mario games are only good up to Mario 64
This is a fact
Sonic was never good, except maybe its 2D games
Another fact
64 is Megablox: The Game. Dated as hell too.
Another thing overrated by neckbeards.
>Dated
have a nice day
>64 is Megablox: The Game
What does this even mean.
The game is blocky as frick?
You were expecting something different from a game released in 1996?
well, adventure released two years later and gets torn to pieces online. what's the matter, can't take it when it's something you like?
fragile nintenbabbys.
>well, adventure released two years later and gets torn to pieces online.
For its game design, yeah. Not sure what that has to do with an early 3D platofrmer having blocky-looking graphics.
The first of it's kind is suppose to be flawed. It's how good it is depsite being flawed
SA1 shouldn't have been flawed since they had 3 fricking years to learn from Mario's mistakes. And all they did was add fricking more of them.
And before you said "B-B-B-But it was SEGA's first 3D Sanic game!"
No it wasn't, Jam, Fighters, 3D Blast, R and that failed Sonic Xtreme all came before it. But most importantly, both Rayman and Pacman both had instant jumps from 2D into 3D and pulled them off near perfectly, both just after SA1 released. So there's no argument other than SEGA are shit 3D programers and 3D Sonic was never good.
It's just Sonic with the same expression but his mouth on the other side and looking up, what the frick are they talking about?
you kinda have to see the full clip to understand. in the forces one, sonic stands there like an ugly ass moron and the other he's actually in motion and about to dodge an attack
Forces bad Frontiers good.
I can go an turn on my N64 and start playing Mario 64
It still one of the best games out there, even sunshine is shit compared to it, in the way Mario moves
>even sunshine is shit
Always has been
Oh dear, you fanboys are something else.
SM64 controls like trash.
>SM64 controls like trash.
No it doesn't, next time don't play the shit ds port like the sub human you are
It controls like shit, man. Accept it and move on.
I get that you fanboys can't take criticism of any kind and fight to the death to defend your favourite brand, but you're wrong.
It looks like shit and controls like shit.
sonictards are so mindbroken from forces that the most mundane improvements in frontiers are mindblowing to them. Sonic team could barely could animate shit in the cutscenes of forces (when there was an animated cutscene), so this 3 second clip of sonic dodging out of harms way is too much to comprehend.
Sonic has survived just on his design alone. It's definitely not for the games as every single sonic game since Sonic Adventure 2 has been dogshit
>having faith in sonic team
How fricking stupid do you actually have to be? They haven't made a good game in 20 goddamn years, what reason does anyone have to believe this is going to be good?
>Are Sonic fans okay?
No send help
no they have fricking autism
I wish homosexuals stopped jerking off squash and stretch so much. Yes, it's useful, but it shouldn't be treated like the end all be all of animation, and I hate when people pretend they're animation experts when they use this term.
>I wish homosexuals stopped jerking off...animation
Based sonic team employee
Squash and stretch can be easily overdone and can look obnoxious depending on what the artistic direction of your project is.
Yes, and? Anything can be overdone you disingenuous giga moron.
based Ganker scaring and btfoing the shills, unlike that sthg shithole
Rent free
Cope, floptiers is trash and no amount of paid shillery will ever change the end result
>paid shillery
look up the amount of nintendo fansites whose reviews are counted on metacritic.
i'll wait.
>N-nintendo don't deserve their score
Fricking cope
you need to cope with eating silled shit, man.
"this nintendo game is the best ever"
said the nintendo fansite.
lol
Even if you think Nintendo and their games don't deserve to be highly rated, that doesn't change the fact that Modern Sonic doesn't deserve any score higher than 4, now cope, your franchise is completely garbage.
i don't care. said it umpteen times, man. learn to read.
fansites pad review scores. fact is, without them, the games wouldn't be where they are. no high 90s.
yea yea, whatever, floptiers is still fricking trash
I was talking about you bringing up your zavok general out of nowhere
It will get 8/10 and you'll have a meltdown lol
It's a Sonic game. It won't get a score that high. Not with the "Sonic was never good" bias out there.
It will. Trust the plan. Q
Does /sthg/ even care about the games or do they just talk about those dogshit comics
Steven israeliter if you're reading this, close the tab and make some more fugging videos
>playing sonic for the story
do sonic gays really
Not only do they really, but moderngays ONLY play for the story.
why are grown ass men playing a furry cyclops game for the lore
desu, there's layers of autism here we probably shouldn't be trying to grapple with. We maybe just have to back away and let them have it.
>Sonic fans: BOWSER IS ALWAYS THE LE BAD GUY IN MAYRIO
>Eggman in every Sonic game:
that damn hedgehog..
I literally tune out of every Sonic story, the second the moronic blue homosexual starts blabbering.
>S-Shadow!?
No. They're literally worse battered-wife fans than Pokégays at this point.
How much of Sonic autism is down to Archie? They didn't create the console war or the years of shitty games, but Ken Penders alone has done a bit of everything else.
Looks like he's making the Al Bundy noise.
>WHY WON'T YOU GIVE THIS GAME A CHANCE
That only happens when a developer/series has earned benefit of the doubt. Sonic Team and mainline Sonic has lost benefit of the doubt for years now.
You ever think Sonic is too splintered to ever be consistent?
Been the case since SA1.
Yeah, it is. Even Iizuka said so recently, which is why his current goal is to reverse that and unify everything into interconnected canon except the movies, which will be their own thing. https://www.sonicstadium.org/2022/08/takashi-iizuka-on-connecting-universes-and-creating-a-unified-sonic-experience-sonic-stadium-interview/
That would explain Sonic Prime then. Still hoping we can get Boom S3 though
Boom is officially dead, anon. It's sad, I know.
>It's sad
have a nice day, doubly so if you're a diaperhomosexual who can't let his squirrel waifu to let her go. Boom is literally the antithesis of Sonic. X and Ova are actual good Sonic media.
No, it's good
Iizuka seems to flip flop between wanting Sonic to have a story or not every few years
Which is amazing because it always derails the franchise immensely
Is the unified experience going to have white arms?
Sonic will wear a coat and you will never see his arms
Too splintered to please everyone, yes. Sonic more than any other franchise has so many loose threads that there's no way of satisfying everyone because everyone has this idealized version of that Sonic is all about.
Too splintered to be consistent, no. Problem is consistency isn't part of Sonic Team's vocabulary, never was not even with the classics which had different staff and different focuses. Arguably that's why Sonic won't stay down, if there's anything that can be said about the franchise is that it isn't afraid of trying different shit, both its virtue and its curse.
Like another anon said I wouldn't take anything Iizuka says at face value. He doesn't know what he wants out of Sonic anymore than everyone else. In a way he's the perfect embodiment of the sonic fandom.
Nah, vast majority was happy with Mania because get this... it's a legit fricking great game. whoah....
>image
it's the squash and stretch, thank god
>Another sonic thread when all the discussion goes to mario.
Why are sonicgays like this?.
they literally can't defend 3d Sonic. really think long and hard, how would YOU defend 3d sonic if you were a huge fan? it all has to be deflection, goalpost moving, and whataboutisms because if they didn't do that they'd have to defend the actual game and they'd get laughed off the face of the earth if they tried honestly defending dogshit like Forces, and they know that.
Imagine getting videogames so backwards you unironically think Sonic should be played for the plot. Sonic fans are beyond any salvation.
mariobro btw
sonic isnt relevant, shut up
sonic colors is on sale
on a scale from 2006 to sonic adventure how good is it?
it's overall worse than generations and worse than the day stages in unleashed
but it's playable atleast, it's just the 2d sections are fricking boring
Why do you keep making these threads?
gonna be playing this and gow ragnarok in november
why are you guys so angry about everything?
>i'm going to waste my money on a movie game just to make u mad! u mad?
homosexuals like you who brag about pissing their money away on the latest product never cease to make me smile, like who cares? Sure you're supporting the death of good vidya by giving publishers another reason to keep turning vidya into movies, but so are millions of others, I can't stop it and I can't be mad about another drop of piss in the massive ocean of piss. You're just bragging about spending money to make people mad.
WaOW!!
Sonic games are holding the boost button and forward on the stick. Who cares what he looks like when the gameplay is still dogshit
>Sonic fans are happy about something
>wtf is wrong with Sonic fans?
>Sonic fans are pissed about something
>wtf is wrong with Sonic fans?
No frick you I'm tired of this what the FRICK is wrong with people who don't like Sonic at this point? You're the fricking problem c**t
It’s the fact that his pupils actually move in the direction that he is staring instead of always being in place.
I still don’t understand the whole one eyelid thing but it’s cool I guess
Reminder to anyone who ever has kids: Do not let your children play Sonic.
what the frick is going on in here
ignore the archieschizo
They're moronic and the main reason the franchise went to shit, the way they're so fastidious about how everything MUST be 100% identical to how it was in the very first Sonic game forever is what prevents the developers from taking risks and doing something different, because whenever they do something like that they get browbeaten and harassed until they relent.
10+ years of shitty games will do that to your psyche
Good song.