Are there still bots on quickmatch servers?

Don't care. Frick off back to reddoot.

Likewise you dishonest moron. Go repost someone else's content because you have no substance.

What the frick are you even talking about you schizo?

Likewise you dishonest moron. Go repost someone else's content because you have no substance.

Dishonest how? You're just saying buzzwords because you can't refute what I said.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Critical_hits here's the wiki page btw

>>This means crits are objectively a bad feature and nobody ever liked them
I never said that, I said they were never well liked, doesn't mean there weren't people who liked them, just that it was never the majority. You're literally making up a logical fallacy now.

The argument in the first place was about how Dane "influenced" people into not liking crits, I'm merely proving that it wasn't him and that he was just the first popular tf2 youtuber that made a video against them. Again, you're just saying buzzwords because you can't refute what I've said.

Hell it's worth pointing out that tf2ubers weren't a fricking thing when TF2 first came out. If they were we probably would have had something like that back during release.

Now you're just plain being dishonest. Literally the entirety of the current remove random crits bullshit can be traced back to when he started his campaign to annoy valve into removing random crits.

>crits are objectively a bad
They are in their current iteration where good players have a higher chance of landing one, meaning they aren't 100% random
>nobody ever liked them
People like them, but don't pretend that there aren't many people that likewise don't like them

It was a negligible minority that quarantined themselves to their own servers.

Wrong. It's comptrannies that dislike crits, not all good players are mentally ill like 6gays

That doesn't contradict my post.

He said good players dislike crits. I said it was only the comptrannies.

Yes, the comp scene didn't always exist. The comp scene didn't create compgays, compgays created the comp scene. They weren't compgays yet, they were just gays with a missing piece. It doesn't contradict my post, it's just arguing semantics

>a negligible minority
It was very much a shifting 50-50

If people disliked crits so much, where is the complete lack of disdain for them after the nocrit option got added? Why did no one fricking care at all until Dane made his video?
Don't like them? Go on a nocrit server. Don't care, here for the funnies? Play on an enabled one. This is how it was until quickplay was added and that's when Dane conveniently started playing TF2 and made his annoying ass video saying a core identifying part of TF2 should be *entirely* removed "because it's unfair", code for "it's not like any of my other hardcore competitive games that began springing up last gen for MTX sales"

>a few people whining about their killstreaks being ended by random crits
>at all equivalent to the sudden surge of zoomies parroting an ecelebs opinion, attempting to change the entire tf2 landscape

>Killstreaks have existed since 2013
Killstreaks have existed since killing was a thing.

Killstreaks have only been tracked since killstreaks were added in TF2, there was only a few people who cared about how many kills they got per life beforehand because you had to do it with mods or mentally.

>homies have probably never heard
M-M-M-MONSTER KILL Kill kill

most pcbros probably have heard that though, that's still the default killstreak announcer in DotA

You feel good for sitting in a corner spamming a scorch shit then rolling a pub by holding forward? So cool dude.

>phlog
Why use the worst flamethrower?

Oh okay, that's pretty cool

Yes, dude, the media thing got huge. But what I think is that Dane didn't deliver a mindblowing idea to the public, he merely expressed one of the popular opinions that was in the air since the game was out probably. The video got popular and more people realized they never liked random crits that much. It's not that he could change the minds of people who loved them, nor did he bring new people in with this video. And you saying him being new to the game therefore his opinion is somehow wrong - is the same kind of argument competitive players used against less skilled players in regards to weapon balancing.

Pyro is easier than engi

>He has the lowest skill ceiling in the game
He has the lowest skill floor. Ceiling is debatable.

Arguably the lowest skill ceiling class is Sniper. He's literally just point-and-click. "good aim" is a factor for all classes, so it's not an argument.

>They reward skilled players
But snipers benefit from crits the least.

Sniper players are not skilled. They learned how to do exactly one (1) thing well and literally control who wins a round based on that single thing they learned how to do well, that has no interaction with anyone else in the game besides killing them instantly from across the map. At least ubercharge is limited and can be prevented through good play. What the frick do you do about an 8000 hour sniper player on Upward's first point besides throw yourselves at them until the enemy team loses the first point?

> Scout more skilled than Spy.
Literally anyone with a brain who is able process this game at 25 fps or more can kill as Scout. Demo and Soldier can easily pubstomp just by spamming chokepoints.

Ah, I get it, when people did things before Dane started playing it was asking, but now when people do things it's b***hing.

But there is no crits disabled option in casual servers, which is obviously where the grand majority of people are playing. They don't even give the option to avoid crits outside going to community servers, despite it clearly being a divisive issue.

So you admit that if crits were removed from casual servers that you critgays could make your own community servers and play with crits enabled then?

You're arguing that there's no issue for people who don't like crits because community servers exist. Why doesn't that apply to crits being removed as well?

Okay but if they weren't the default you could just play on a community server with them enabled.

>That's entirely unrelated.
Considering it has yet to be gotten rid of in nearly 15 years I would say it’s very much related.
>Melee are the only weapons designed with crits in mind
>What are headshots

>Considering it has yet to be gotten rid of in nearly 15 years I would say it’s very much related.
You could say the exact same thing about demo having 6 pipes on his launcher but only actually loading 4 but nobody thinks that's something that should stick around.

Because crit-vegans already have servers for them. There is no reason to mutilate other every other server.
>b-but that doesn't address the fact you could create new crit servers!
And you're not addressing why we should.

>Because crit-vegans already have servers for them
So would critgays if they weren't on by default. You're just repeating what I'm saying but for some reason are taking issue with it.

I feel like we already learned this lesson with a funny german man with a silly mustache and a bad haircut

>No, I'm arguing that if they turned them off there'd be a number of servers popping up that have crits enabled for you critgays to flock to.
Which is a hypothetical, homie

>why would you take issue with them being removed if TF2
Why should they be removed? It will always circle back to this question.

You've been avoiding the question. The entire basis of your argument hinges on crits being disabled universally.

Why are you such a lying little homosexual?

I just did, and you're still a lying homosexual. The start of the "argument" was a homosexual

>spreading anit-crit rhetoric to the point that people thought it was a popular opinion
Crits have never been well liked, they added a server option to disable them less than a year after the game's release. Stop blaming this on one person when it's clearly a commonly held opinion regardless.

saying Pedo Dane isn't the cause. Then the homosexual

>no one b***hed about this waste of time argument
If they didn't why did they add the server setting to disable them not even half a year after the game came out?

cites crits being made optional as his source, not understanding that this solved the anti-crit problem of its time. Then you

Ah, I get it, when people did things before Dane started playing it was asking, but now when people do things it's b***hing.

, a homosexual, try to defend Groomer Dane's b***hing for random crits to be removed entirely. Then you

But there is no crits disabled option in casual servers, which is obviously where the grand majority of people are playing. They don't even give the option to avoid crits outside going to community servers, despite it clearly being a divisive issue.

demand crits are removed on valve servers. Then you

So you admit that if crits were removed from casual servers that you critgays could make your own community servers and play with crits enabled then?

try to argue that if I love crits so much, why don't I just make servers with crits enabled. And from there you just keep being a dumb homosexual.
Why are crit vegans such malicious homosexuals?

>It's a really obnoxious and hard to prove form of hacking
No harder to prove than a regular aimbot. If anything it'd be easier, if there were a check for how often a player gets crits versus the expected amount.

Damn that's fricked. It's amazing the kind of shit source spaghetti enables

>A hypothetical means nothing in the face of reality.
Why? Especially when the hypothetical is just the current situation but reversed? Not one of you critgays have said why you're taking issue with the idea of having to play on community servers yet you think it's fine that people who don't want crits have to do that already.

>Because the reality is crits are here to stay officially and unofficially you can turn them off in your own server if you don’t want them
That doesn't answer the question at all. This is a very reasonable thing to assume might happen given the evidence of Valve putting a poll on how people feel about crits in game. You're essentially just saying "well uh, I don't have to answer you because crits exist", which is just a cop out. Why are you taking issue with playing on community servers to play with crits when people who don't want crits already have to do that for the opposite reason?

>that if they turned them off
But they're on. So instead you're arguing a hypothetical that's barely any different, except now it's one where the minority has forced their will onto the majority without a reason.

>but how do you know people wanting crits are the majority?
>Um if people like crits in the game so much why weren't they circlejerking about it on reddit 24/7
You're an idiot.

My point is people that like something wouldn't spend literally all their time screaming at people on forums about it, they'd be playing the game, and given Valve has made multiple major updates to intentionally kill off user servers and force people to comphomosexual shit of course now people are more attentive of homosexuals like you intentionally trying to ruin the game and force people to play the game in a shittier format NOW they're vocal, because you're actively ruining the game.
What you're doing is lighting someone's house on fire and then saying
>UM, BUT IF YOUR HOUSE WAS ALWAYS ON FIRE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE FIRE PUT OUT, AND YOU'D WANT ME TO POUR MORE GASOLINE ON IT SO IT'S JUST LIKE MINE
And in this example your house is a smoldering pile of ash with a couch on it.

Go be dishonest somewhere else.
No more (You)s.
I am no longer tolerating your disingenuous circular bullshit and argument from repetition.
You are genuinely a horrid piece of shit.

>people wanting crits are the majority
Even if they may not want it, they don't want for its removal. As evidenced by them still playing on crit servers.
>b-but they only play on valve servers because they don't know any better!
That doesn't challenge my point.

Because crit-vegans already have servers for them. There is no reason to mutilate other every other server.
>b-but that doesn't address the fact you could create new crit servers!
And you're not addressing why we should.

NTA but no. Because the game was made with crits in mind.

That's entirely unrelated. The game was "made with non-instant backstabs in mind" but I'd give you 100 dollars if you found a single spy player who'd rather have that than what we have now. Same with engineer not being able to move his buildings.

TF2 is so completely different from what it was in 2007 that saying crits need to stay from a purist point of view just makes you look like a moron

the only weapons where the lack of random crits really factors into anything are the melee weapons. Nobody would give a shit or even notice if the frontier justice or bison could random crit

nobody uses the bison so nobody knows

what were they even thinking with the righteous bison

>it's a weapon that you can spam down chokes and can hit multiple players!
>as soldier

yeah that's my fricking point you stupid illiterate noglet

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>TF2 is so completely different from what it was in 2007
Cosmetic wise absolutely. Gameplay wise aside from a few class tweaks it’s largely the same
>Purist
Black person don’t start with that

i swear to god that the majority of the modern tf2 community are like competitive smash bros players.
smash bros is a party game, tf2 is a casual game first and foremost. you've got your competitive corner over there now play in it and enjoy it

once they finish the campaign to get soldier's reserve rockets back to 36

Dane doesn't want a no crit OPTION, he wants no crits PERIOD.

This but unironically.
Could you anons please make a youtube video with a funny 3d avatar to tell me what I should think?
Also, call me your little brother or something. Maybe you can say you're the heavy and I'm your little pocket medic.

I'm not sure what you're actually referring to here, scout could always 2 tap pyro and double jump out of airblasts.

>I'm the official authority on this! If you want any information you will have to come to me!
>No you can't make observations about people's behavior and come to your own conclusions! You need the OFFICIAL opinion
No

Hey man i'm just trying to give insight into the comp scene as 99% of TF2 players have no experience with it.

>Nobody knows about the most vocal whiny attention seeking part of the community
No

Honestly baffled that they banned the Detonator of all weapons in comp recently

What's the issue with heavy being run in 6s?

The main issue I see is that Heavy is a skill gate class, lower level players have a harder time dealing with him while higher level players with better team coordination can easily manage. Lower level players end up learning a game where Heavy is common but when they move up the ladder they realize they learned things that aren't applicable anymore. It makes the transition needlessly more difficult as you have to relearn the game in essence.
There is also the question of whether Heavy being able to bypass his only weakness, slow movement, is imbalanced.

It's not that he's not good enough, he's actually considered viable when rollout is taken care of, it's that they specifically don't want him played.

Anon 65 is already over half of scouts health with one swing.
65 x 2 = 130

Only serving to make spy an even worse class.

You say while trying to justify an instant kill melee mechanic.

That's also applicable to payload given that the objective is just slowly moving throughout the map.

Then I don't really understand your point.

Those "pro" demoknights are homosexuals if they flee as often as you're suggesting. I don't get how anyone can play like such a pansy when they have 200+ hp, explosive+fire resistance, extended melee range, and scout speed.

Obviously there's still a lot of fleeing involved for me outside of pocketed heavies and sentries. Even though I could get the heads back it still takes a minute or two, so I'm not going to suicidally charge into the enemy team with 50hp like I would while playing soldier.
I don't flee from pyros on sight though. Air blast stunlocking is a concern, but it really depends on what kind of teammates they have nearby and if I'm somewhere that can get corner trapped.
Same with engies. If they're not in a hotly contested area, I like to try my luck picking the engy and destroying his sentry by circling around it. And if they're in a contested area, I'll try my luck with a crit charge, leaving the nest without its engy for my team to destroy.

Most of the playerbase for it was consolidated on SLAG (Died to make an ill fated mods intended platformer that was repeatedly warned to change the protagonist).

QRD?
Even if an update broke it, surely if there was no matchmaking there would have at least been enough demand to push the devs to patch it or even recreate it.

Both. But they're not pubstomp tier. They could be at the top if there's no one good on the server, but it wouldn't be a wide margin, and it would only be if they're having a lucky day or had a pocket medic up their ass all game. So, essentially, like a better Uncle Dane.

I think Fish is living in your head rent free.

He's clearly far from the only person against the scorch shot.