Even in a world where ID devs they literally came on stage during the beth conference during one of the e3s and flat out called it the "doom reboot" you still have morons who can't fricking grasp its a different continutity because "but look this guy had a bunny too!!"
Black person do you think all 100 batman comics are the same continuity too? DURRR his parents die in all of them in the same alley it must be the same one
Fricking dumbass
There's literally an entire level where he's shown in flashbacks wearing his classic suit before becoming a night sentinel. How can you guys be so much in denial holy shit
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and? its still a different continuity
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So it's a different continuity where the exact same events happened? How is that different from having the same continuity? You're coping hard, anon
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the same exact events happened in 2016 continuity but in that canon (objectively better) he was just sealed in a rock
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you're fricking moron, lurk moar unless you dare have the fricking audacity to defend the scrapping of ALL other works outside the films for JJ Trilogy.
Even in a world where ID devs they literally came on stage during the beth conference during one of the e3s and flat out called it the "doom reboot" you still have morons who can't fricking grasp its a different continutity because "but look this guy had a bunny too!!"
Black person do you think all 100 batman comics are the same continuity too? DURRR his parents die in all of them in the same alley it must be the same one
Fricking dumbass
>Are you satisfied with the characterization Doomguy was given in the new games?
In Doom 2016?
Yeah, that was genuinely absolutely great. It's kinda bizzare how good job they did at characterizing Doomguy in 2016. All done wordlessly - it's actually very impressive and very clever.
In Doom Eternal?
Frick no. I would not even call what that game presents "characterization", it was just an endless sea of narrative vomit.
Great game though. I did not pick up Doom to see Doomguy's "character". It may have pleasantly suprised me in 2016, but god knows it's not what matters.
They also gave him a weird time to talk. Like, you could have had the voice reveal in the DLC; but they just waste it in a flashback just to reference the comic.
>They also gave him a weird time to talk.
Yeah, but the whole talking episode is just a small part of the problem. Just... everything is bad. Everything about the story was bad. Amazingly bad, I have always good fun breaking apart just how everything is basically the exact opposite of what they did in 2016, and how it's just a chain of terrible, terrible ideas.
You can REALLY tell that Eternal's devs came up with cool level concepts, and then hired a flock of interns to write something around that.
i remember before the game came out they showed him loading himself into that planetary railgun and at the point I knew there was some MCU shit at work
eternal is too lost in its lore. 16 even has problems because normies need a story delivered to them but 16s initial attitude of "GET THAT SHIT OUT OF MY FACE I HAVE DEMONS TO KILL" totally works, but eternal is far too self indulgent. Eternal needs to be a game where doom slayer is functionally drilling a hole towards the convenient goal of humanity partially inadvertantly because he fricking hates demons so much, but gays made the game so they have to tell you his back story and make doom guy a pawn who helps people. It would work much better if a full playthrough told you nearly nothing and you were coming upon scene after scene where the player has to generally extrapolate whats going on rather than being the driving force behind humanities mission and being played by optimus prime and co.
no not at all. his space base is homosexual shit. it reminds me that sanfrantrans are so far removed from being normal that they don't even know what masculinity looks like. quake did it better, ogdoom did it better.
I loved Eternal but everything about the "story" they tried to tell was genuinely fricking stupid, and that's before the DLC even. The only improvement from 2016 is that all the cutscenes are skippable instead of moments you have to walk & wait during. Hayden was genuinely interesting with a cool cliffhanger ending revolving around him and Eternal basically did nothing to properly build off of that; story matters little to me but if you're going for it then I'd at least like some consistency.
They intentionally wrote 2016's plot with as many open-ended sequel hooks as possible, so they could then pick and choose which ones to follow up on when making a sequel. Sadly they grabbed the wrong end of every stick, and completely misread the room on what players wanted, and instead of picking one solid plot hook to follow, they took a fistful, and then had to bend over backwards to make EVERYTHING connected to everything because apparently that's DEEEP. The Doom Slayer being the original Doom Marine was moronic fan pandering. They should have just let him be his own thing, in a multiverse of Doom badasses.
I have no idea how Marty and Hugo nailed the story part of DOOM2016 only to learn as MANY wrong lessons as they possibly could from it for the sequel. I just think it's because they had so much smoke blown up their ass over 2016 they landed in that "we can do no wrong" zone for the sequel.
Doom 2016 was okay but everything was kinda ugly
Doom Eternal was better but the rock-paper-scissors combat was tedious
Doom Eternal's DLC was so fricking monstrously bad it retroactively ruined both games, and I have not played either in 3 years
forget the comic
it all makes more sense when you realize doomslayer is a response to this video
doom fans wished doomguy was more epic and id delivered
forget the comic
it all makes more sense when you realize doomslayer is a response to this video
doom fans wished doomguy was more epic and id delivered
https://i.imgur.com/U2OfDz8.png
Are you satisfied with the characterization Doomguy was given in the new games?
Are consolegays really perplexed as to why their in game models look like dogshit? Gaming has stagnated, wake the frick up. PS4 is 10 years old.
The character is fine. I don't like the introduction of the evil version. Probably the most boring and least imaginative way to introduce the big bad evil dude of your franchise. "lol you're so badass that the only thing that could possibly be the leader of everything you hate is a Mirror Universe You".
Also for some reason id Software forgot what the name of the capital of Hell is, even though you literally go there in Doom 1 episode 3.
Actually, forgetting things in your game's own lore is consistent with Carmack's statement there. When it's not important, it doesn't matter when you frick it up.
It got worse because he's only 10% of "evil Doomguy" to begin with.
The mech barely makes him intimidating and his moveset is very small for a character that supposedly mirrors the Doomguy.
Rule of thumb with videogame rivals: Give people the impression of "man i'd love to play as that guy".
Even the Marauder doesn't really do this.
Davoth should have been something that Hell magically created and the real Satan should have been something bigger than the IOS.
Not at all, Id was making a mistake when they stop tard-wrangling that Hispanic homosexual uggo martin. 2016 was great, they just need to make some demons looking demonic or even have demonic names. But that bean munching mutts instead thought it was a good idea to put mario floating chain and cartoon noises in a game famous for being edgy. the gayvengers scene was the last straw for me as I quickly uninstalled the game and spam the greasy muchachos DM.
everything wrong with nudoom lore can be fixed if doom is treated as a series whose setting is a basic premise that can be interpretated differently
the real reason why "story doesn't matter" is because the actual story is unfinished and barely put together in a series that mainly existed for its innovation alone
there being different versions of the setting that experiment with it is much better than trying to create a single "universe" that will still have retcons and problems to begin with
even doom 3 was meant to be seperate
this can be true to other series but "lore nerds" won't admit it
Doomguy as The Slayer, a sealed ancient Good the demons fear, was a cool and fun idea.
Eternal introducing robo-angels as the real evil, your ai companion's some missing dude from them, and it was all for demon-energy were mistakes.
Halo should never have removed his helmet.
You see his face in the very first doom game on screen at all times
No i dont
I don't mind it
Forced hate
Unironically
I was not happy with it, but also I have never played a single doom game
Well of course you'd say that, you're on fricking Ganker
No it's fricking moronic fanservice
Guts. HUGE GUTS
It's a fricking doom game, why would I care? I skip all the cutscenes, never read the logs. It's doom.
doomguy is not doomslayer
Could Doomslayer beat DoomGuy?
Doom Eternal confirms they're the same character
eternal is a different canon
No it's not. It's the only canon continuation there is
it's been debunked
There's literally an entire level where he's shown in flashbacks wearing his classic suit before becoming a night sentinel. How can you guys be so much in denial holy shit
and? its still a different continuity
So it's a different continuity where the exact same events happened? How is that different from having the same continuity? You're coping hard, anon
the same exact events happened in 2016 continuity but in that canon (objectively better) he was just sealed in a rock
you're fricking moron, lurk moar unless you dare have the fricking audacity to defend the scrapping of ALL other works outside the films for JJ Trilogy.
I'm rebunking it
nope, bunked status: unbunked
Even in a world where ID devs they literally came on stage during the beth conference during one of the e3s and flat out called it the "doom reboot" you still have morons who can't fricking grasp its a different continutity because "but look this guy had a bunny too!!"
Black person do you think all 100 batman comics are the same continuity too? DURRR his parents die in all of them in the same alley it must be the same one
Fricking dumbass
No
>Are you satisfied with the characterization Doomguy was given in the new games?
In Doom 2016?
Yeah, that was genuinely absolutely great. It's kinda bizzare how good job they did at characterizing Doomguy in 2016. All done wordlessly - it's actually very impressive and very clever.
In Doom Eternal?
Frick no. I would not even call what that game presents "characterization", it was just an endless sea of narrative vomit.
Great game though. I did not pick up Doom to see Doomguy's "character". It may have pleasantly suprised me in 2016, but god knows it's not what matters.
They also gave him a weird time to talk. Like, you could have had the voice reveal in the DLC; but they just waste it in a flashback just to reference the comic.
>They also gave him a weird time to talk.
Yeah, but the whole talking episode is just a small part of the problem. Just... everything is bad. Everything about the story was bad. Amazingly bad, I have always good fun breaking apart just how everything is basically the exact opposite of what they did in 2016, and how it's just a chain of terrible, terrible ideas.
You can REALLY tell that Eternal's devs came up with cool level concepts, and then hired a flock of interns to write something around that.
i remember before the game came out they showed him loading himself into that planetary railgun and at the point I knew there was some MCU shit at work
We should've had a game to explain all the shit in eternal honestly instead of a codex
eternal is too lost in its lore. 16 even has problems because normies need a story delivered to them but 16s initial attitude of "GET THAT SHIT OUT OF MY FACE I HAVE DEMONS TO KILL" totally works, but eternal is far too self indulgent. Eternal needs to be a game where doom slayer is functionally drilling a hole towards the convenient goal of humanity partially inadvertantly because he fricking hates demons so much, but gays made the game so they have to tell you his back story and make doom guy a pawn who helps people. It would work much better if a full playthrough told you nearly nothing and you were coming upon scene after scene where the player has to generally extrapolate whats going on rather than being the driving force behind humanities mission and being played by optimus prime and co.
Agree, also the doomguy constantly getting sucked off was very cringey
no not at all. his space base is homosexual shit. it reminds me that sanfrantrans are so far removed from being normal that they don't even know what masculinity looks like. quake did it better, ogdoom did it better.
Hate it.
Security Officer will always remain the best psychotic FPS protagonist
cringe
it is worse than Freeman bullshit in HL 2
I loved Eternal but everything about the "story" they tried to tell was genuinely fricking stupid, and that's before the DLC even. The only improvement from 2016 is that all the cutscenes are skippable instead of moments you have to walk & wait during. Hayden was genuinely interesting with a cool cliffhanger ending revolving around him and Eternal basically did nothing to properly build off of that; story matters little to me but if you're going for it then I'd at least like some consistency.
>doomguy collects funko pops and wants revenge for his heckin fluffy hopperino
Don't you ever shit talk daisy
Im sorry sir, the correct name is "chunko pops"
His character works good
It's everything and everyone around him that makes Doom Eternal's story kinda suck
GAY
>Suppose to have a huge imposing presence
>camera just floats around as if hes made of air
What the actual frick were they thinking?
I want to look in the eyes of the man responsible for this. The man who thought that this will be a good idea.
2016 was fine.
Eternal ruined everything.
They intentionally wrote 2016's plot with as many open-ended sequel hooks as possible, so they could then pick and choose which ones to follow up on when making a sequel. Sadly they grabbed the wrong end of every stick, and completely misread the room on what players wanted, and instead of picking one solid plot hook to follow, they took a fistful, and then had to bend over backwards to make EVERYTHING connected to everything because apparently that's DEEEP. The Doom Slayer being the original Doom Marine was moronic fan pandering. They should have just let him be his own thing, in a multiverse of Doom badasses.
eternal is the doom equivalent of the new colossus, but its gameplay was enjoyable enough that people couldnt see it right away
Glad it's made for real fans not fakegays who think holy warriors fighting hell is vool because warhammer seethe b***h sounds you hate fun things
If given the opportunity, I would personally kill every single human being responsible for the story of the new Doom games.
I don't care about it at all. Eternal is the best FPS gameplay-wise and nothing else matters to me.
eternal went full full moron. especially after how people liked how 2016 was handled
I have no idea how Marty and Hugo nailed the story part of DOOM2016 only to learn as MANY wrong lessons as they possibly could from it for the sequel. I just think it's because they had so much smoke blown up their ass over 2016 they landed in that "we can do no wrong" zone for the sequel.
At least MetaDoom is epic!
he looks like big Z
Doom 2016 was okay but everything was kinda ugly
Doom Eternal was better but the rock-paper-scissors combat was tedious
Doom Eternal's DLC was so fricking monstrously bad it retroactively ruined both games, and I have not played either in 3 years
forget the comic
it all makes more sense when you realize doomslayer is a response to this video
doom fans wished doomguy was more epic and id delivered
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/707723309167640576/doomguys-face-hud-if-it-could-come-back
Are consolegays really perplexed as to why their in game models look like dogshit? Gaming has stagnated, wake the frick up. PS4 is 10 years old.
Can't he be some pissed of dude who's day has seriously ruined by demons invading from hell?
The character is fine. I don't like the introduction of the evil version. Probably the most boring and least imaginative way to introduce the big bad evil dude of your franchise. "lol you're so badass that the only thing that could possibly be the leader of everything you hate is a Mirror Universe You".
Also for some reason id Software forgot what the name of the capital of Hell is, even though you literally go there in Doom 1 episode 3.
they forgot a lot of things.
Actually, forgetting things in your game's own lore is consistent with Carmack's statement there. When it's not important, it doesn't matter when you frick it up.
It got worse because he's only 10% of "evil Doomguy" to begin with.
The mech barely makes him intimidating and his moveset is very small for a character that supposedly mirrors the Doomguy.
Rule of thumb with videogame rivals: Give people the impression of "man i'd love to play as that guy".
Even the Marauder doesn't really do this.
Davoth should have been something that Hell magically created and the real Satan should have been something bigger than the IOS.
>characterization
the fact there's any characterization just proves how incompetently the game was directed to what DooM should be
Not at all, Id was making a mistake when they stop tard-wrangling that Hispanic homosexual uggo martin. 2016 was great, they just need to make some demons looking demonic or even have demonic names. But that bean munching mutts instead thought it was a good idea to put mario floating chain and cartoon noises in a game famous for being edgy. the gayvengers scene was the last straw for me as I quickly uninstalled the game and spam the greasy muchachos DM.
everything wrong with nudoom lore can be fixed if doom is treated as a series whose setting is a basic premise that can be interpretated differently
the real reason why "story doesn't matter" is because the actual story is unfinished and barely put together in a series that mainly existed for its innovation alone
there being different versions of the setting that experiment with it is much better than trying to create a single "universe" that will still have retcons and problems to begin with
even doom 3 was meant to be seperate
this can be true to other series but "lore nerds" won't admit it
So, basically like Mad Max continuity? Just don't try to piece together an overarching plot because the action is the only important thing?
looks like a downie
Doom reboot's lore > Doom Eternal's
Doomguy as The Slayer, a sealed ancient Good the demons fear, was a cool and fun idea.
Eternal introducing robo-angels as the real evil, your ai companion's some missing dude from them, and it was all for demon-energy were mistakes.