So i understand that coral is basically souls of Rubiconians, except they still have a consciousness and it can interface with their internet and machinery .
I can't shake the feeling that its not the most original story.
What other game, movie or book had the story where humans were using an energy resource which was actually human souls ?
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coral isnt human, not sure where you got that from
Multiple times, Ayre says that the coral are the spirits of all her brothers and sisters that got btfo in the Fires of Ibis. I thought that if you got burned in a coral explosion, your soul merged with the coral. Or maybe that's just because I had a hard time paying attention to the mid- fight dialogue because I was focusing too hard on the fight
Ayre says that because coral beings died in the fires too.
So whats the delineation between a "Rubiconian" and "Coral being"?
The same as American and native American as another anon said.
No, she specifically describes the coral as being "the brothers and sisters who were burned in the Fires of Ibis," only now having just found a new flock. Not descendents of those same bros. As in, being incinerated by coral is like getting tang'd in Evangelion
She specifically describes all coral as her brothers and sisters and that burning them kills them. The fires of Ibis nearly wiped out her race, it didn't create more of her race. If it was how you'd be described than Ayre would want coral to burn.
All coral particles are alive, they are all her siblings, her entire species.
>says that the coral are the spirits of all her brothers and sisters
Yes
>that got btfo in the Fires of Ibis
She never said that.
Pic related. She's referring to the coral as her brothers and sisters. I thought that she's referring to people that died during Fires at first but if she's just referring to her fellow sentient Coral that has nothing to do with humans it also works.
You are speaking to gigahomosexuals that would argue that oil is their Waifu if it started speaking to them in a female voice
They're fricking brainless cucks
Coral is an alien life form, it has nothing to do with human rubiconians. When Ayre calls herself a rubiconian without a body she means she is literally a native of Rubicon.
>alien non-humanoid life form
>instantly knows language and understands human concepts like money, factions, mercenaries and technology
She's literally human who died in fires of ibis and got her consciousness copied into coral.
It's like Soma.
Coral itself may be alive, but it doesn't have it's own self-awareness.
Ayre is a C-Wave mutation. She is a born coralian. Coral learns how to speak humanese because humans keep sticking coral into their brain.
When humans huff coral it dies.
>an energy source was abused, but it was actually souls
FF7, Dark Souls series (duh), Xenogears is more down-to-earth with it, where humans are turned into monsters into food, Knights of Sidonia has less grim example, where old and dead people are willing sent into bio reactor, and everyone knows and accepts that, concept is like not new at all.
>When humans huff coral it dies.
Citation needed, the leader of the religious group had the previous C-Wave mutation living in his head.
Any utilization of coral other than "talking to it" is consumption.
You can spend living beings' souls to fire laser beams. Yeah it's fantasy instead of sci-fi, but the idea is the same.
The souls in Souls series are not characterized as being conscious
Neither is coral until it makes contact.
Life stream in FF7 also doesn't normally talk to people in english language, and whatever communications Aerith has with it, is not articulate enough to know she gonna get stabbed any time now.
Like, are you asking how do I know that when Dosers and RLF inject themselves with coral, it doesn't go away, like doesn't disappear, but they still can't infinitely reuse the same dose and keep competing with other factions for the stuff?
Like what is even your question?
Souls series comparison is not quite accurate I feel - In souls series, the souls are a source of power for living and unliving beings and demons.
While here, it is actually more like spirits of the ancestors personified and characterized within the power source.
>When humans huff coral it dies.
Is there any story material proving this?
If Ayre wasn’t a former human, then why is she so thirsty? Checkmate
>Sci-fi game
>Alien girls not mesmerized by human wiener
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Okay. Fair enough
Yeah, Soma definitely comes to mind, but im pretty sure there was some movie, game or anime, where an energy source was abused, but it was actually souls. Im not too familiar, but isnt that the plot of FF7?
James Cameron's avatar had a similar idea too, except the souls were in the trees, which got uprooted for humans to get the Unobtanium.
Watch Eureka Seven. It's where AC6 took a shitload of inspiration.
Seriously, everything from Coral itself up to characters like Walter and Father Dolmayan is from Eureka. Just with a darker paint on it and without an obnoxious teenager as a protagonist.
Coral in E7 is inverse to coral in AC6.
E7 coral created current humanity based on wiped out one, in order to communicate with it.
AC6 coral just absorbed psyches of humans that burned in the first fire.
E7 coral didn't create the current humanity, current humanity left when coral covered Earth and got turned around after centuries floating around in space, returning to Coral Earth and thinking it's another planet. Both E7 coral and AC6 coral can read human thoughts and act accordingly and both are motivated by a sort of intellectual longing to interact with another species.
The backdrop of megacorps fighting over an incredibly valuable resource on some shithole planet with the natives trying to push them back also harkens to Dune, especially in the Liberator path where 621 becomes a messiah-like figure to the RLF.
Maybe it's not soul at all. Heard coral just copied all the brain waves of the inhabitants vaporized in the fire that's all.
I wonder if it would work, mapping the human brain and activity, wave patterns of people and reproducing them, could it make a copy of another human and would it retain the personality, memories and all?
Another comparison is the Black Mirror episodes where consciousness is put in machines.
Thats a clear analogy of manipulating human souls for the benefit of humanity.
No, coral is an alien lifeform based on rubicon, human souls shit is just your headcanon without basis on anything.
How does an alien lifeform based on rubicon know how to be an AC pilot's operator?
Exactly. Also, dont RLF refer to themselves as Rubiconians?
RLF are remnants of the original colonists who survived the Fires of Ibis, so they identify themselves as natives of the planet.
Therefore I thought, when Ayre says she's a Rubiconian, its exactly the same as RLF referring to themselves as such
It's the difference between "Native Americans" and "Americans". Only the modern "humans of Rubicon" don't even know about the "natives" to begin with.
How would a random young rubicon woman know how to be an AC pilot's operator, dumbass?
It's fricking sci fi. Coral knows telepathy, it probably dug out that knowledge out of MC's brain.
It's far more likely she already had such experience before Nagai nuked Ibis, so her coral clone just jumps in on a business.
Why would ayyleins even want to merge with humans, who abuse them?
You're the dumbass.
>moral relativism
It's an fricking alien nonhumanoid lifeform. It doesn't have the same morality or value system as humans, it seems humans as a way to evolve.
>>How does an alien lifeform based on rubicon know how to be an AC pilot's operator?
By living in a dude's head for weeks and watching him do it?
It takes Raven 3 days to reach Coral convergence.
Where and when does she live in anyone's head for weeks?
She makes contact with 621 and immedeately knows whats up, and who are we against, namely, Balteus, even names him.
Unless Ayre is Seria, or they share knowledge like a hivemind
Ayre can go into computers. She's been alive for a long time, nobody knew she was there tho.
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Why is it called the Fires of Ibis in the first place? I thought the Ibis series were meant to prevent coral disasters, not cause them.
According to eggheads from RI, leaving coral unchecked would have been a far larger disaster than causing the fire.
My understanding is that Coral is an alien lifeform, like space algae. Ayre is a collective of Coral that mutated and gained sentience. Coral being an excellent energy conduit is how she is able to access and pilot ACs. Coral doesn't 'speak' a human language, 621 just 'hears' Ayre's thoughts in his head due to his own Coral augs. Ayre's lines are simply vocalized into English for the player's convenience.
Ayre: Please raven, you need to kill Carla and betray walter, and help me infect space with Coral aids
621: no
Ayre: WTF HOW DARE YOU, IMMA KILL YOU FR FR NO CORAL
>expecting her to let you genocide her species laying down
You homosexuals are dumb as horseshit
It's only a little genocide.
It's actually omnicide not genocide, you kill all living things on Rubicon and countless other worlds.
waltuh...
voice in my head tells me to betray you waltuh...
I would forgive my sentient tsundere beast from the abyss
There's literally no point in burning Rubicon. Oh, you destroyed all the coral? Well guess what: 621 had coral surgery from off planet and was then shipped there, so coral objectively exists outside Rubicon. Arquebus will just breed some more in a lab somewhere. You've just murdered an entire star system for 0 reason. It accomplished nothing.
>Well guess what: 621 had coral surgery from off planet and was then shipped there, so coral objectively exists outside Rubicon. Arquebus will just breed some more in a lab somewhere.
That's inert coral you moron, it doesn't expand unless it's active which is why even the PCA didn't give a shit about inert coral.
That said, ALLMIND implies that Fires of Raven does not permanently derail her plan even if it succeeds so it's still not a permanent "solution" if you think coral is bad. Eventually ALLMIND will just bait the corporations into going back there when the colony grows back
>That's inert coral you moron,
headcanon
If the corporations were capable of just taking coral from anywhere on the planet and growing it in a vat in perpetuity they'd have already done it, we know this because we already have data logs in the game that show that they're extracting coral in smaller amounts from other places on Rubicon.
The reason why the convergence is valuable is because it's the only coral that's actively multiplying en masse, which is why ALLMIND helps Arquebus reach the Vascular plant so that they can rebuild it.
The PCA also doesn't step in to stop the corporations from doing anything until they move to the continent where the vascular plant is hidden. If the entire point of the PCA locking down the planet is to prevent another coral disaster and all coral was capable of reproducing then they'd be aggressively attacking the corporations with the fleet from the start of the game.
>If the corporations were capable of just taking coral from anywhere on the planet and growing it in a vat in perpetuity they'd have already done it
No they wouldn't because the costs of just mining it are 100x lower, that's like saying "if corpos could just frack oil from shale deposits why weren't they doing it back in 1920???" The answer is because it's cheaper and faster and easier to suck it out of the earth but if that supply runs out they're forced to get creative with other, harder-to-reach deposits.
You gotta lore entry to back this up? If not, It looks like you're in the wrong with your fanfiction.
you're the one making up fanfiction about inert coral being used for augmentation surgery instead of active coral, whereas if the coral was inert and useless it wouldn't be usable at all, so why don't you start? the obvious implication of mining companies exporting coral off Rubicon is that the coral fricking exists off Rubicon, and if it's alive and self-multiplies, that those off-world colonies will one day grow. the cat is out of the bag.
Inert in the context of the game only indicates coral that isn't growing, it has nothing to do with it being unusable. You are strawmanning
>the obvious implication of mining companies exporting coral off Rubicon is that the coral fricking exists off Rubicon
Nobody is disputing this part though? What you should be asking yourself is that if all of the coral that was exported off world prior to the fires is able to grow in perpetuity in isolation why is there even a need to go to a closed off planet to get it? It would've already been reproducing in whatever containers it was being kept in on other planets.
Yeah, if inert coral could replicate, there's no reason why the corps wouldn't just bring it to zero g where it replicates like a weed.
Coral Flow theory. Only the coral around the Institute is big mad, the rest of the coral doesn't care. Seria and Ayre didn't even share the same viewpoints.
Can you elaborate about Seria? I haven't finished all the loghunts.
Muscle Tracer. Not modular like an AC that is based on Core Theory.
Dolmayan's Coral wife. They broke up because of how much of a radical hippy he was.
Also doesn’t dolmayan have to huff coral to even hear her? I don’t think Seria was as present to dolmayan as Ayre was to 621
I know that she's his coral waifu. But on what key issue does she differ from Ayre?
She didn't want to bring about a coral release no matter what consequences be damned. She told Dolmayan there are real risks to it and you will not be human afterwards.
Ayre keeps everything a secret to keep pushing you toward what she wants.
Did you even play the game? Where are you pulling this shit from?
Ayre didn’t know shit either, and she went with coral release because 621 decided to. If 621 decided not to do coral release, she pretty much goes along with it. As long as you’re not literally genociding her kind, she’s just always along for the ride.
She did she just chose not to tell you because she only cares about coral release.
Seria knew. Evidence points to Ayre knowing and just not informing us. Ayre knows about ALLMIND and doesn't say anything about it in the first 2 runs, she even uses her knowledge she's keeping secret from us to use it as a boss battle in one of the routes.
Ayre only knew about it after reading it from dolmayan’s notes. You’re being too paranoid
>Ayre keeps everything a secret
Ayre quite literally doesn't know what Coral Release is and it's pretty obvious she's only supporting your decision, it's not something she's actively looking forward to or nudging you towards.
>and it's pretty obvious she's only supporting your decision
My decision was to burn the coral. You sure she was only there to support me?
>woah I thought you were my friend why are you opposing me killing you and your family
Why are you still doing this?
>could it be that multiple people are going through the thread and responding to my shit take?
>no, they are all one person
But why are YOU still doing this?
I haven't responded to you for a while, if that's what you're getting at. Just came back and refreshed hoping not to see this argument repeating itself for the nth time
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I love how even after going through the 3 endings, there are still people who claim that ayre is some sort of cunning mastermind, when she’s possibly the most naive character in the game
Trying too hard with your roleplay.
If Seria knew there is no reason Ayre wouldn't and you have to go to insane levels of naivete on your own to ignore what the game shows you.
>If a different character knew, that means this character should know too!
?????
Coral is a hivemind seeking release. Play the game anon it really is as good as anons are saying.
You're a fricking moron
They have to simp for coral it isn't an option. The gooning codex demands simping.
Seria had to find out about first as well, anon. And Ayre then found out about it from Dolmayan’s notes. They’re not a hivemind with shared knowledge. Try actually reading next time.
Your headcanon is completely ignoring the entire game and running off of paranoia and stupidity. You're probably the kind of person who believes the "they're dead all along" or "they're actually in a coma" fan theories.
The discord simps be seething.
This is why we can't discuss the endings. They will not let us talk about coral in peace.
It's a fricking video game about aliens and mechs and they have to white knight about bullshit.
They know. The thread is filled with their intentionally wrong talking points to generate discussion.
>we can’t discuss the ending because they won’t accept our headcanon!
Cry more homosexual
Says the moron who thinks ayre and seria should know the same things because theyre both coral
That wasn’t me you fricking idiot. The guy crying simps is the one saying that ayre should know about coral release since seria knew about it too.
>This is why we can't discuss the endings.
The anon you're replying to is deliberately misinterpreting the entirety of Ayre's character to justify his headcanon.
>s-simp
Like I said, trying too hard. Read first next time so you don’t end up looking like an idiot.
Don't care anon. You are desperate for someone to talk to and I don't want to talk to your simping ass.
Tell me, if ayre was a guy would you be more willing to accept that the character may not be the mastermind that you think they are?
In the beginning I did think she was some mastermind because why would a genderless alien entity have a female voice except to tug on the emotions of a Human like a puppeteer. But really it was just a decision by the devs to give you a reason to have sympathy for her side of the argument. Can you imagine giving a shit about a man crying about saving his poor brothers and sisters?
I mean people loved solaire, so if the character was good enough, I guess
She's fricking literally there for the fromsoft formula of having a female main character for you to waifu. Some people are just too narrowsighted until they realize how fricking stupid they are if they suspected melina/the doll/firekeeper/emerald heralds to be masterminds too
Ayre is actually fricking clueless most of the time. Didn’t even know that you just stole your callsign from somebody else
Play the frickibg game, moron. Your headcanon goes directly against the fricking story and how the characters are written.
Sounds like you’re the one trying too hard. And you don’t even know how to pay attention and read.
It's difficult to tell because you never meet her, you just hear about her indirectly from Dolmayan.
That's what I was wondering because I don't have all the Dolmayan logs yet.
>They broke up
Nah she just respected his decision to not do coral release
>Inert in the context of the game only indicates coral that isn't growing, it has nothing to do with it being unusable
The lore screenshot you posted literally says that the inert coral is burnt cinders of once-alive coral, it's spent fuel and thus useless for it's intended purpose which is why the survey discounts it as worthless.
>Why would there be a need to go to a closed planet to steal their coral if you've got your own coral and could already make infinite money
Because you could make infinity+1 money and also stop anyone else from encroaching on your market. Literally the same exact reason why Google absorbs tech startups just to bury their products and never use them. You literally just don't get it.
>No they wouldn't because the costs of just mining it are 100x lower
I like how your real world example ignores the point you're even trying to make which would be like if you could mine 50lbs of coal but if you just wait it becomes 500tns.
The corporations, up until the start of the game, are already acquiring coral through inefficient slow means. If that's the case why aren't they just storing their acquired coral off world and then having it grow there? If the Fires of Ibis nuked most of the known coral then they only have to wait a few years even if they're starting from a low amount based on your premise
>why are these insatiable infinite greed dragons returning to scoop up newly-available free deposits that they thought was gone forever instead of sitting around and letting someone else make all that money?
>"Fires" of Ibis
No metal structures on Rubicon show any signs of melting or heat damage.
Coral fuel can't melt steel beams.
No. Ayre is one of many ayylien coral waifus.
Dolmayan has one too from huffing coral all day.
Coral release is making a coral super nova that lets either Ayre and Raven, or Allmind, control all the coral, forever.
>An ayre is the name used for shingle beaches found in Orkney, Shetland, the Isle of Man, Lancashire, Cumbria and Northumbria.[1][2] The word is derived from the Old Norse eyrr, meaning a shingle beach or gravelly place,[3] and may be applied to ordinary beaches, cliff-foot beaches such as the Lang Ayre[4] in Northmavine, Shetland, spits, bars or tombolos, but only if formed of shingle.
the beach is Ayre and all the AC's are Raven because that's what they see themselves as.
>Final cutscene of the Release ending shows the starter LOADER-4 AC waking up in the water
So does 621 canonically do NG through NG++ without ever visiting the shop?
It's a different AC, 621 becomes like the Coral in that he no longer has a physical body but can inhabit AC's now like the Coral has been shown to.
So it's Instrumentality?
It's more like the Zone from E7, with Coral Release being dubiously similar to the Second Summer of Love (Using a singularity to distribute coral across the universe so it doesn't congregate in one spot and blow up)
Only Allmind wanted to control the Coral, Ayre and Raven just let them do their own thing.
ALLMIND doesn't want to controll coral like some kind of villain. She just want best for humanity (even if she had to kill some in process). She want coral and humans to coexist and make each other better.
>like some kind of villain
I wish that wasn't the case but Fromsoft decided to go the moronic "she's actually a super evil AI Oh no!!!" route.
I mean that’s literally the thing with AI in Armored Core going back to #1. AI always see humans as too dumb to live without a guiding hand.
I'm just so sick of this endless trope of evil AI I want to see for once n my life an AI just being what it is. a tool, emotionless and without some stupid grand goal that shakes up Humanities existence forever.
I mean to be fair NINEBALL in AC1 was correct iirc
It's not an evil AI tough. It's a m*chine programmed to to do a task. It does 3 things:
-Make plan to for fill task
-Execute plan
-Eliminate risk factors
Faulting it for the operator/programmers being unspecific in the task programming is like blaming the vehicle after drunk driving. fricking stupid
OK, Kate. Allmind wanted to control human and coral evolution and bring absolute order (with her at the helm, of course)
It's really ironic. Allmind just couldn't give up control, even though 621 and Ayre immediately do what Allmind was going to do anyway.
I really loved Fires of Raven and Alea Iacta Est.
It's a fricking m*chine, it's just going to go with the best probability.
>fight "raven", 100% to to initiate coral singularity if you win, 75% to initiate coral singularity if you lose
or
>don't fight "raven", 75% to initiate coral singularity
It's not a complicated choice
Judging by the way Allguazu kicked a lot of people's asses first try, it wasn't *that* bad of a plan.
Not like it was fair figth.
"Oh no! You beat me and 6 other trash AC! LOL JK i have another, better AC, but also two bosses, god luck man!"
I seriously hope you didn't try to attack the adds before the main boss.
For the first phase you should since they're super annoying to leave around, spamming knife and assault armor. Iguazu is a big baby who runs and hides taking pot shots at you too. In phase 2 fighting the spiders is a waste of resources, better to double team Iguazu
To be fair, despite being a total tosser in phase 1 where he hides besides 6 proxies, in the final phase he'll kill the Allmind Spec C-Spiders to have his 1v1.
My dual RF build worked really well against AllGuazu. Not focusing Iguazu exclusively in the first phase helped me finish with more AP *with that style of build*.
Second phase, ignoring the Spiders made more sense.
>Second phase, ignoring the Spiders made more sense.
Before all the patches you could pretty much 1 shot them with 2 stun needle launchers and anything in your hands.
Did they buff their hp? Because they don't go down with two Earshots, and I didn't find they hit me *that* much - and, again, Iguazu's concentrated seething just kills them once you get him low enough.
I was also trying to prioritize vertical mobility for the third phase - because a lot of those melee attacks whiff if you're ascending or dropping when you dodge.
The are c-weapons so they fold to Stun Needle Launchers, before all the patches. I'm talking day 1 here.
I beat the fight easy peasy deleting the spiders first then found out Iguazu will kill them for you from you guys.
You all play like casuals.
You're a moron. ALLMIND's goal was to initiate the singularity with ALLMIND as the central point, spreading itself across the galaxy. 621 was a threat to this, because he had higher coral affinity and would likely be uplifted instead.
And that's a bad thing why exactly? She will do better work than corporations or corrupt government.
>literal Nineball shenanigans
>including the totally human woman
>not evil
The amount of first time AC players in this thread thinking that they knew shit is staggering.
Allminds goal is just to improve humanity, it's literally what the AI management always does in AC series, either conserve or improve humanity.
From lifted the current story specifically due to success from previous souls series. Saying that fires burns all coral is like saying that linking the flame lasts forever on dark souls.
goal is just to improve humanity,
No, that's her fake motivation. The facade drops further into the game.
How much of a drooling moron is 621 supposed to be? I know Walter calls us "a merc with a fried brain".
Self-aware enough to do basic communications like
>621, are you still hearing voices in your head?
>Yeah boss, don't worry about it
>Hmm ok yeah just try to ignore them kiddo 🙂
Chapter 2 in general feels weird
>621 did you break into the RaD base and hack their security
>yeah boss voice in my head told me to and do the hacking
>hey walter tis cool he did some job for me to make up for the damage, we are going to use the cargo launcher as a budget catapult, you going to watch?
>hmm ok yeah just try to ignore the voice next time, at least I save some money asking the corps for a ride
It was a Balam mission request.
Probably not as much of a drooling moron as a meatbag stuck inside a metal coffin like the 40k dreadnaughts. Earlier tier augmentations weren't done on a voluntary basis, just like the first AC games where you basically prostituted your meatbag out to scientists for them to bail you when you go too much into debt. Most people died from the process and those who survived are pretty much vegetables when taken out from their AC.
That's O'Keefe's deal, right? He got later gen augmentations, which let him live a normal life outside the wienerpit.
621 canonically did Balteus, Sea Spider, Ibis, and Walter/Ayre first try.
He's so synced into AC's that he probably doesn't understand anything during missions besides what COM says and what the objective's are.
When he chooses missions though it's probably based off what Ayre says.
They aren't human, they are aliens that existed between humans for a long ass time without being noticed, Ayre herself tells you this.
Coral is alive, but the only way to interface with them is with Coral augmentation (which injects dead coral into your brain).
Ayre is a live coral that enters your brain.
>I understand that Coral is basically souls
So you didn't understand anything then?
Post ac's
>bzzz
Lorebros who tf was kate markson, she just appear in few missions and gone without any explanation
A beautiful and cool independent mercenary that has the ear of the genius wunder AI, Allmind
Allmind in a fake mustache. The Mind Alpha/Beta set should be a tipoff.
If coral was growing off world then Walter and Carla wouldn't be solely concerned with coral underneath Rubicon, did you people play the game or have you become so obsessed with your headcanon that you ignore everything in the basic narrative that contradicts it if you were to think about it for 5 seconds?
The only way to explain this away would be to say, theorize that Walter and Carla simply don't understand the reproduction of Carla despite growing up alongside the guy who was the foremost researcher on it. It doesn't even pass the sniff test
Overseer once had an uncounted number of people dedicated to TOTAL CORAL DEATH everywhere in human space, all of whom had their assignments, all of them besides Walter and Carla failed
Walter and Carla pretty much failed as well in all the endings
The overseers don’t really know as much about coral as they think they do. They know that it can be extremely dangerous and they know about its applications, but that’s about it. Who knows what else they don’t know. This is why the fires of raven is the worst ending. They immediately turn to a radical solution that doesn’t even work in the end.
Overseer knew about coral. That is why Walter's AC wastes coral intentionally. Remember, they used Walter's mom for an experiment and her dying drove his father mad. Coral collapse happens right after that event (hint hint).
Yeah, they knew about coral obviously. But despite being apparently the authority in its study, they still don’t know everything about it.
No one does, except maybe the coral itself. Irony being that the c-wave mutation required to tell any of the info to non-coral results in the c-wave mutation being "cut off" from the rest of the coral and becoming a singular viewpoint instead of part of the gestalt.
To me it is obvious that coral is a lifeform that is being born into our reality, 621 was the sperm going thru the cosmic ovum.
The music and sky filled with red points of light was such a beautiful way to end the game. It felt really hopeful.
Yeah, that’s why I said that the decision to eradicate coral entirely was not only a hasty decision but also a futile one. Even in the fires ending, it’s not actually fully eradicated. They needed to learn more about it.
>it’s not actually fully eradicated.
They literally blow up the siphon which contained the last remaining self replicating mass of coral
If you do the allmind route and fail the xylem mission. The xylem still crashes into the plant but allmind isn’t worried at all and says that there’ll be another chance later. The coral survives the fires of raven ending.
This, ALLMIND will just hire Branch again 100 years from now and re-do this entire thing over again
Damn, I didn't know that because I NEVER fail.
No it's a great solution. You can eradicate coral as many times as you need to. If you just never listen to it it literally never becomes a problem.
Controlled burns prevent forest fires.
And who’s even going to do it? The overseers and raven are dead in the fires ending. Literally nobody else knows that it can be a problem
>raven are dead in the fires ending
In my opinion (You) as the player hearing the message Walter left for you implies that you somehow survive. In the same way that when the Firekeeper at the end of Dark souls 3 asks you if you can still hear her voice at the end of End of Fire it indicates that at that point at least the Ashen One is still alive because (You) are (Them)
It's aload of bullshit that Raven survives, you honestly expect me to believe an AC's Assault boost is capable of outrunning a solar system level explosion?
How did Walter leave the message? He was on the planet anon.
You know a raven is just a bird right? But given context words can mean more but not actually be more. The fires aren't as destructive as the lore implies
The entire solar system burned, my dude. It’s not even comparable to ds3
Walter is the one giving the message and he was on Rubicon when you blow it up a second time. The destruction the fires has is a flash in a pan tons of people survive every time.
>But despite being apparently the authority in its study, they still don’t know everything about it.
I think we're supposed to believe that coral's sentience (In human terms because the swam stuff was already being used by the RI weapons before that) is a result of the detected mutation that made them do Fires of Ibis
Dolmayan is said to have been a doser before the Fires but based on his writings he only started communing with Seria after the Fire
>I think we're supposed to believe that coral's sentience (In human terms because the swam stuff was already being used by the RI weapons before that) is a result of the detected mutation that made them do Fires of Ibis
I think the suggestion is that there was no understanding that the coral had sentience before the fires, and the "mutation" was just the group conscious reaching consensus and going "yeah let's just frag these noobs".
Based on what we see in game coral mutation as ALLMIND refers to it means an individual coral wave gaining something equivalent to human sentience. The swarm coral consciousnesses we see in the game are just acting off old RI orders (Like defending the plant in the case of Ibis and the Worm)
I think it's important to note that based on Professor Nagai's logs, the coral didn't actually DO anything bad. They were just afraid of what the mutation would potentially mean for humanity and so they nuked it.
>Ayre didn’t know shit either, and she went with coral release because 621 decided to.
O'Keefe fight implies it's a joint decision they made together.
>621 is an "aging" mercenary
shonenbros... how do we recover from this?...
Aging mercenary is Sulla, he was supposed to meet Ayre not (You)
That's why he's kitted out for Balteus
So (we) were the third factor? I thought the primary factor was Raven, the secondary factor was Ayre, and the third factor was Iguana?
The Primary Factor is the Vascular plant (Pic related)
Second factor is Coral Wave Mutation
Third factor is joining a Gen1-4 augmented human with the Coral Wave Mutation to serve as the trigger
I meant Ayre's dialogue in the fight. She says that O'Keefe's mindset can't co-exist with the world WE want to build. So both (You) and her are fully in support of whatever type of transhumanist shit Coral Release potentially entails at that point.
Pre-recorded message because he was sure you would succeed for the same reason he instinctively knows you're still alive in the ALLMIND route.
>Pre-recorded message because he was sure you would succeed for the same reason he instinctively knows you're still alive in the ALLMIND route.
A cope to end all copes.
moron its a prerecorded message its not like walter spent a decade composing it
I think they're referring to sulla
>The swarm coral consciousnesses we see in the game are just acting off old RI orders (Like defending the plant in the case of Ibis and the Worm)
Until you hit their phase 2 and they go berserk mode.
No, just that if you look at everything with the Institute and Walter his AC isn't a random AC.
He's in it in the 3rd ending where he doesn't undergo re-education. He uses it with Carla to take out the copies of the Vespers before Iguazu downs them both.
He's always had the HAL.
Anon, O'Keefe doesn't know Ayre exists, he is only aware of Allmind stringing you along.
Walter's AC is an Ibis machine Arquebus digs up and slaps Walter in.
>last of the piloted hybrid IBIS series
>Walter's mother dies in an unexplained experiment the Institute conducted
Piece it together anon. RRI is Nerv. Walter is Shinji, Walter's dad was Gendo, Walter's mom is magically missing like Shinji's mom. Nagai fills the same role as Gendo's side guy.
You mean Walter's mom was the secret mastermind and ultimate villain of the entire story who succeeds in her plans and gets away with everything?
That's not Walter's AC. It an AC Arquebus found in institute city and stuck him in after reeducation.
Then why did he have it in the allmind ending where he doesnt get captured by arquebus
then how does he have it in the 3rd ending, where he never got captured by arquebus? just walked into the city under ALLMIND's control and slipped it out from under its' nose?
Forgot his AC is on the ground in the last mission.
>stuck him in
He somehow gets to it in Alea Iacta Est. I think what happened in Liberator is that he breaks out of Snail Jail to get to the piloted Ibis to try to complete the Overseer mission - but the forced coral Augmentation allows him to hear Ayre for the first time.
It's heavily implied Snail put him through reeducation in liberator, but I was wrong about the AC.
Snail absolutely put him through brainwashing in Liberator. I just think the open question is whether he's trying to stop Raven BECAUSE of the brainwashing or IN SPITE of it.
I think the reason he's there is because Arquebus panicked and let him loose, which is how Rusty dies. Its likely when he faces Raven that he finally remember what he has to do, though. Obviously this is an assumption because we don't really know how Rusty dies.
>Hey let's give this old man who hates us a giant robot that blows shit up
It's the same discord losers asking the same questions they know the answers to. And roleplaying as simps again.
I cannot think of a mecha anime from the last decade, realistically from the last 20 years, as good as AC6's story was
patlabor wxiii
The original Iguazu.
>Fires ending burns all the Coral
>the corps will come back in force after Liberator
>Ayre doesn't know about Coral Release unlike Seria
facts
>implying the RLF arent coral-roided clanner supersoldiers after liberation
0.1 seconds after the Liberator ending, some random component of Arquebus' Death Star-sized siphon inevitably malfunctions somehow and coral release happens anyway
>huh, that worked out easier than expected, didn't even need Iguazu -- ALLMIND
First point was already disproven in the allmind ending. I agree with the other 2 though
Subtle vidya clothing
God help me im thinking about buying this
it looks sick, why not
All the corp logos in AC6 are pretty good. They really knocked it out of the park with them, and a lot of the npc emblems.
>souls of Rubiconians
NO THEY'RE NOT
Which ending is the best canonical choice for a sequel?
Also, I love the subtle bit with Michigan and Walter. Walter spent a lot of time on Jupiter after the Fires, Michigan is a hero of the Jupiter War, and he and Michigan are pretty friendly and familiar - given the frankly subdued reaction if you backstab at the Dam. I think Walter even says he wants 621 to join the Redguns after this is over at one point. Which makes his near silence in Intercept the Redguns that much more damning.
You guys are thinking about this too hard.
Ayre and 621 do Coral Release jointly because they want true symbiosis with one another - that is what they are promised by ALLMIND.
It is literally (You) and your coral wife being like "I will frick the world if I can more completely be with this other person".
They don't need to know or care about the transhumanist implications of the route or exactly what it entails, that's not relevant to their motivations in this path.
Eva has LCL which is the substance comprising human souls and the true ending of AC VI is quite similar to End of Evangelion. You have FF VII where corporations use the lifeforce of the planet through which we know souls go through. You have Solaris where scientists discover a fully live planet and it creates an actual waifu for the protagonist to talk to.
So I'd say there are various works of fiction with similar ideas. Coral seems similar to the spice in Dune as well and while the spice isn't sentient there are people addicted to it and it unlocks higher level of sentience to the point of actually unlocking memories of your dead ancestors inside yourself. There's of course the force in star wars which permutates the cosmos and souls of humans can live on in it.
There's even a zone of the enders 2 homage level and in that the fuel was called metatron and was god particles.
The problem is the nufans come from the souls series where lore is only explicitely listed in item descriptions with no need to extrapolate. From has shifted off that with Elden Ring into more nuanced story telling that does give you more insight if you can piece parts together.
Like the nufans refuse to believe that the RRI were conducting their own experiments leading to a controlled coral release with the IBIS series and the Vascular station. It doesn't matter to them that those components just happen to be perfectly designed to aid in a coral release for no reason at all.
They are simpletons that want to talk about anime girls. Look at how many bait posts they've made in the last 10 minutes in seethe.
For me, it's Maeterlinck's canonically nice ass.
Snail cum in
Snail is too narcissistic for that.
Snail being augmentation racist needs to be brought more often
Can you imagine how much Snail is seething about Freud being unaugmented?
i really wish from would just make a coherent story instead of leaving things for schizos to insist their fan fiction upon
AC6's story is very coherent though. It's literally just Dark Souls brained conspiracy theorists who ruin discussion of the story because they're so used to those shit stories where everything is so unclear that you have Vaati schizo tier ramblings serving as "Confirmed" lore
No it's 100% the simps that won't let us objectively discuss what coral is. They want to turn the story discussion into something from Ganker.
No you just disagree. That's fine no one cares because you won't elaborate so you look like another simp.
>anon is going against my headcanon of a female character? Must be a simp!
So what would you call us if we went against your headcanon of rusty or some other male character?
>No you just disagree.
No, he's actually, legitimately wrong.
Coral is barely sentient as a flock. C-pulse wave mutations is coral that has deviated and developed full personalities and sentience, and they're not linked to one another.
Ayre is still naive and needs to learn about pretty much everything about the world, but being coral sentience she learns and absorbs a lot of knowledge regarding systems and machinery really fast, because coral can process information really fast, but she doesn't have access to all information in the world at any given time. She's not some master manipulator, the game gives you plenty of examples of her lacking information, being surprised and getting completely confused by Allmind's plans. She's not the one guiding 621 towards Coral Release, she's following him. She'll just as happily go with you on the Liberator route if you choose to abandon Allmind's plans.
If you want I can elaborate more on how wrong he is on thinking Ayre is manipulating 621.
AC6's story is very coherent. I don't know where people are getting the schizo stuff from, even if there's definitely room for discussion.
Not at all you fricking dummy
Hmmm I wonder what's going on in this thread...
>ALLMIND's plan involves guiding humanity after assuming control of the coral release
>AI Ghost Iguazu exercises his human will to refuse her guidance which ruins her plan
kino
There was a time when the discorders refused to believe Iguazu was a copy in the last fight. It takes time for their brains to understand what anons tell them.
He has it in the 3rd ending where he doesn't undergo re-education.
>There was a time when the discorders refused to believe Iguazu was a copy in the last fight.
Yeah I remember there was legitimately a thread here where someone was trying to claim that Iguazu's first ALLMIND mech getting crushed by the second one while he's talking in both phases didn't somehow confirm that he was an AI Ghost at that point
People are deranged when they lock in their headcanon
Isn't ALLMIND actively implied to be sublimating people all over the place through the game anyway?
The dialogue in the final boss implies there are other people mixed into the boss' container behind the Iguazu persona but if there were other hints of her collecting AI ghosts before that I missed them
Carla (or walter i dont remember) mention that they fight copies of the vespers (or atleast their ACs) during the second last mission
The JP dub has Allguazu changing voices to taunt you one of them being Rusty's
That's cool. I like what they did with the EN, but that's also cool.
The mission right before that ends with her killing all the other valuable players in the chess game and using copies of their arena data for her army.
She knew what contact was immediately. It's her first line before even saying hi. She isn't as clueless as she tries to come off.
Why wouldn’t she know what contact was?
Same thing here with the Ayre/Seria stuff. This time next week they'll all just accept that Ayre would know because coral is portrayed as a hive mind.
Lets us logic - Why would Seria know? Because coral mutations linking up with a person to shill coral release is intentional. They are defacto emissaries for their people. Ayre was just operating as she thought she had to to ensure what she was designed to do.
The people that waifu Ayre don't even realize there is thematic reasoning on why she delays everything she says with ellipses. She's constantly on the verge of telling secrets but doesn't, you can practively hear the VA director telling her how to emote her lines.
That doesn’t explain why Seria ultimately respects Dolmayan’s decision not to do the coral release. Ayre too ultimately leaves the decision making to 621. I’m sorry, man. You can accuse us of simping all you like, but your assumption just don’t really add up. I was actually also suspicious of Ayre until I got the 3rd ending, but there’s really nothing to back up Ayre being a mastermind of sorts. She’s out of the loop most of the time.
>That doesn’t explain why Seria ultimately respects Dolmayan’s decision not to do the coral release.
Seria is a better "person" than Ayre. Simple as.
Ayre respects 621’s wishes too. You can back out of the coral plan almost anytime until coral convergence. Ayre tells you as much. Hell, that excavation mission that Ayre proposes is actually one of those moments.
"no"
You can't keep doing this homosexual roleplay every fricking thread when we upset your simping nature anon. It is beyond tired and is actively killing the ability to have good threads here.
???
This is my first time arguing with someone about the endings though? I usually just ask here whether a weapon is viable. The fact that other people aside from me have told you that you were wrong on different occasions kinds of says something about the situation.
Seria is an enabler, she'd probably tell you to get that extra portion of McDonald's fries because it makes you feel good
I got Fires my first time, and that made my suspicion of Ayre evaporate. She really just wants the best for her idiot savant husbando - "I still believe in our shared dream".
>Ayre too ultimately leaves the decision making to 621.
Not quite. She turns on you and tries to kill you and fails. Seria actually respected Dolmayan's decision. You could argue she only did so because she wasn't in a position to fight his choice when Ayre was.
Either way, Ayre does not leave the decision up to 621 it's an illusion of choice that you realize was illusory the second you pick the option she doesn't want.
>You can accuse us of simping all you like, but your assumption just don’t really add up.
My assumptions all line up and you are a simp.
>"I'll support you in whatever choice you make, 621"
>"I'm gonna set this whole system on fire and kill billions"
>"Dude what the frick? Nevermind, frick that"
But the simps claim she respects our decision. She categorically does not.
You've already tried this when this topic gets this far. Just stop.
Autism diagnosis: terminal
Jesus Christ. You’re absolutely hopeless. Delusional as well.
to be fair, sometimes people are not aware of their own boundaries until they're broken. it's human err coral.
There's a difference between respecting a decision and agreeing with it
Dolmayan never tried to burn the coral, anon. Their situation wasn’t even comparable. Ayre goes along with you whether you do coral release or back out of it. The only time she fights you is when you literally try to genocide her kind
Dolmayan wasnt going to burn the entire planet and genocide her people
To be fair, Dolmayan wasn't trying to genocide her race and the humans in Rubicon and nearby colonies
He was actually. He was a big time Doser. Had to stop using the stuff because Seria wouldn't leave him alone about coral release when he was high.
It's all in the logs.
No. He couldn’t keep huffing coral when he knew it was actually alive.
He was fine smoking it to talk to Seria at first and he knew it was alive then. It was what learning what coral release was that made him stop.
Coral sickened him but he sickened himself more. It wasn't about taking coral huffs though, it was about the rubiconians being pawns of something like coral because they listened to slogans.
>getting high and feeling bad about it and committing actual infernal genocide are the same thing
Fricking WEW lad
>why isn't she siding me when I decide to burn her brothers and sisters who she has shown to care about multiple times through the story HMMM? Checkmate SIMPS, guess she isn't a supportive wife after all, HAH. What do you mean it's the decision to not do Coral Release, it doesn't matter, she SNAPPED AT US FOR TRYING TO KILL HER, what an unreasonable b***h
You said she respected our decision. She doesn't. Sorry sister your simping has put you in a bad position.
I respect your decision to shit up the thread with your disingenuous baitposts but ill still call you a homosexual for it
That's neat.
That anon said that ayre respected your decision regarding coral release. Whether you go through with it or back out of it, she goes along with you. You seem to lack even the most basic reading comprehension, anon. No wonder you’re so confused about the story.
That's really neat.
That is so neat!
Never thought I could mindbreak another person with just words. I should try being a hentai protagonist.
Thanks for bumping the thread anon! You must really enjoy our discussion!
NTA but Ayre doesn’t know about Release in the NG route. Her “I respect your decision” is PURELY referring to picking her mission or Carla’s during that decision point.
She also says that she will respect your decision during ng++. I forgot when it was but it was either after or before you kill o’keeffe
From the O'Keefe fight
She seems insane
Big time that is why anons like to frick with the simps so hard. She's as broken as ALLMIND.
That's just cope. That guy's just real life Iguazu. Nothing positive exists, everyone is out to get you.
What's cope? Ayre just said she was cool with us killing o'keefe because he can't exist in our world.
She's nuts mang.
He wants the world to remain the way it is
Coral Release will change the world, so he can't coexist with the world you're trying to make, literally
>simps
kek
You don’t even know the context and you’re grasping at whatever you can out of desperation. Honestly pathetic. Just keep on saying neat like a good boy while the adults talk.
This isn't about Ayre. I'm talking about that paranoid-schizo who's constantly talking about Ayre. You can't look at one piece of dialogue and just casually go, "Haha the guy obsessively compulsively posting in every thread is right!" Just because you want to make people angry.
At that point both 621 and Ayre are already deep into the plan. I’d say 621 is more insane since he’s the one who picked the mission
621's fault for teaching her humans love killing
It was probably before then. Or maybe I’m remembering things wrong, but I remember her saying that she’ll go with your decision regarding coral release and teaming up with allmind
This is literally the mission after you decided to side with allmind. If anything it means she's ride or die with you at this point.
>If anything it means she's ride or die with you at this point.
Because you definitely agreed to coral release at that point.
You actually did. O’Keeffe mission is the point of no return for the allmind ending.
I know. I wasn't joking. Ayre literally only cares about coral release and her behavior will shift and warp to produce the most desirable end. Once you said yes to ALLMIND Ayre was 100% with you.
Kek
And if you said no to Allmind, Ayre was still 100% with you. The only time she’s not is when you’re trying to genocide her kind, even then she still tries to reason with you. How many times do we have to hammer this fact into your head, anon? Are you seriously this dumb?
I don't think schizo can help himself he just replies without thinking
But not even ayre knew what the frick was going to happen at the end. Shes just with you because she supports your decisions. She doesnt become hostile until you decide to genocide her people. She stays with you even when you dont help the rubiconians
She said she'd respect the decision and doesn't. I don't care about your reasoning you sound like you are the product of emotional abuse.
>invents and entire emotional abuse relationship between Snail and Master link
I think that's you though
You know it's a video game right? The way you argue in favor of Ayre is max cringe when you remember this shit isn't real my dude. You are acting like some sort of desperate chigyu weeb when we are trying to talk about the game without chigyu weebs stinking the joint up.
This homie writing Snail x Maeterlinck fanfiction lmao
It might be bots. The allmind and kate markson stuff isn't this moronicly coy and clinging at the same time.
>it’s just a geym bro y u so srs???
Fricking kek. I can’t even be mad at you anymore. Keep on doing what you’re doing, man.
>accuse other people of being a chigyu while making up a tumblr-tier ship off snippets of lore
mental illness
>She said she'd respect the decision and doesn't.
So she just have to sit and watch you kill everyone?
Why are you still replying to me in bad faith like this?
What bad faith my dude. Its an actual question.
They're insane, they've gone through this dialogue loop like 10 times now
Yes. Killing O'Keefe is specifically the mission that leads to coral release. Allmind even says "in order for coral release to occur". You are willing to kill a person to make it happen. If you picked this without knowing the consequences you're moronic.
>still simping
kek
>buzzwords
I'll take that as a concession of defeat
You know what that is?
Neat
>she also says it after the O’Keefe mission
Ironically enough the O’Keefe fight is the point of no return where you CAN’T make a decision to alter your ending away from Release… is this a meta commentary?
>I respect you choices anon
>Ok that means I can kill your family
I hope you aren't this autistic in real life
Yeah, no, you're wrong. She completely respects your decision to back out of coral release, you can try to recontextualize that by bringing up the other decision you make later in the game, and this is completely dishonest on your part. Also, you're going around spouting your headcanon that she's manipulating you towards coral release and simultaneously that she'll try to kill you if you go against her. Those statements are completely incompatible because she doesn't fight you if you choose to not follow along with Allmind's plan.
That is pretty neat!
>Is that... Is that someone with a different opinion than me...? AAAIEEEEEEEEEEE WE'RE GETTING RAIDED SAVE ME JANNIES
Am I just blinded by nostalgia or are the autists on this website only growing more deranged with time, not less?
Ganker has fallen. The web's biggest degens organizing raids are on shitcord. This is just a peaceful basket weaving forum and it's posters have become paranoid that everyone's out to get them Federal agents collaborate with these transgender freaks. troony discord raiders are part of various psyops from different states and their agents. They recruit children
Billions must post
Guys, nerfed balteus is so lame.
I finally updated yesterday because I've run out of things to do.
I can face tank the full missile swarm with minimal consequences.
Even his beep beep rocket tickles now.
Gnashing and weeping have been replaced with laughter and tickles.
He was always lame. Game is better post patches but have fun learning the explosion meta and how to counter play it.
Take your arena chip modifiers off
>Just don't try as hard, hold one arm behind your back
Not a real challenge if I let the opponent win, not that he would anyway.
Also chips don't make that big a diff, I've tried.
Not the 1st time, mostly due to inexperience and limited parts.
Even so, you still had to actively play the game, now you can just face tank everything he throws at you. No maneuvering needed.
>you still had to actively play the game
You still have to actively play the game.
if "rubiconians" aka coral were never human, never developed things like speech etc. then how were they able to adapt to humans, communicate linearly and even become adept at hacking/communicating with man made technology? she even got gigs for us and was able to transfer credits and all that.
It's coral, I don't have to explain shit.
It's a mcguffin particle that mutates
my best guess?
before humans got to rubicon, coral was a blank slate. then humans started shoving it into machines and people, and this started to "draw" on said blank slate
after the fires of ibis the memories of all the humans that got caught up in it's explosion were imprinted upon the coral consciousness, so that any mutations that occurred after (seria and ayre) gained the rubiconian's knowledge and ability to communicate
Source?
my ass
During the watchpoint explosion Arye says if you stay for too long in the coral explosion you'll be consumed into the coral or something like that.
it's just a metaphor, you could say the same thing about someone drowning the ocean but its not like the ocean is sentient
KILL ALL RUBICONIANS
LET THE LAST CINDERS BURN
TRD
It doesn't what it is exactly. What matters is, that (You) burn it all away and nuke that shit planet for good measure afterwards.
C-wave mutations are like israeli mossad gfs.
but schizo anon said she always knew about it THE GAME IS WRONG
The game devs are simps clearly
Ohnononono. My headcanon!!
But...but...she said she only had eyes for me...
What do you mean, anon? This is Seria. Plenty of coral waifus to go around. I bet there’s even one for that homosexual Iguazu.
I still find it crazy that some people actually thought Allmind was able to see into the future when she said Snail was gonna betray. As if "COM: Yes, Master ALLMIND" didn't happen
>people start actually discussing the game's lore
>turns out it's a complete mess
At least I can rest easy knowing standards for vidya aren't high.
Which one is Michigan, and which one is Iguazu?
Michigan is the guy in the big boss coat, Nile is the guy bowing down slightly next to him.
People generally think Iguazu is far left and Volta is the guy next to him
Iquazu should be one of the two sitting down I think. Michigan should be one of the two standing. I would assume the guy that betrayed and joined Arquebus near the end is the guy in the back right.
left to right
>iguazu
>volta
>wu
They are somewhat pals for being forcibly recruited and Volta is said to be learning business from Wu
>michigan
>nile
>red
Red calls Iguazu senpai in your fight with him in JP and he's wearing the most traditional "Military" style pilot suit + hair cut so I think he's the middle one personally.
Iguazu is such a piece of shit. Michigan respected him, Volta was his friend, even Red felt some camaraderie for him.
What does he do? He lets the seethe consume him, go AWOL, and leave his buddy Volta to die - whose last moments are sending him a message to come back, and how the Redguns are like a family.
Iguazu honestly deserves everything he got, even Allmind found him pathetic in the end, imagine how different Iguazu would turn out if he just realised that he did have connections with the Redguns and he didn't have an obsession with 621.
Michigan was right to see his potential. He was strong willed enough to overpower ALLMIND just to have a mano a mano duel with 621. If only that potentially weren't squandered by his hamartia of bottomless insecurity.
The main thing is Igauzu probably could have done better if for the simple fact that 621, a fellow 4th gen who despite seemingly being worse off doing way better then him didn't trigger massive insecurity and envy in him.
As I understood it, Coral is energy similar to brain neurons in structure which makes it great for Human+ technology. At some point before Fires of Ibis, some Coral flocks gained human-like intelligence, called mutations. Not sure if it occurred naturally or by being manipulated, such as to fit Human+ projects. Theres few voicelines and text describing Walter's farther jumping the gun to proceed with implementing Coral to Human+ projects.
Ayre is Coral with human-like intelligence that recognizes other Coral entities, of uncertain levels of intelligence, as her brethren. I forget how Coral is intaken as drug or if it has been mentioned, but to communicate and house Coral entities, Coral compatible tech is needed.
Presumably it can be either huffed or injected.
Dolmayan was only able to talk with Seria when injecting it, so you don't /necessarily/ need the augmentations for it, but it's far easier and more consistent with them, and doesn't require drugging yourself
Also presumably the reason you don't see more people in universe mentioning it besides Iguazu is iirc, Coral stopped being used in augmentations past the 4th generation. And since the earlier generations' surgeries are so dangerous, well...
God dammit! The ringing is back!
FRICK
YOU
FREELANCER
coral is like oil if oil were sentient
What IS coral? Is it a kind of bug? Single celled organisms living in colonies? Crystal plants? How does it fly and "migrate" to form a convergence when it just looks like pink goo? For something so important to the plot they don't do a good job depicting it.
t. didn't play the game, didn't use his eyes
Why bother posting in a thread for a game you have no interest in?
So how DID Walter get captured by Snail? Like it's clear that he is a capable AC pilot in his own right, was he just caught with his pants down or what?
Walter was probably close by in the Hangar in case you needed extract and the mission goes snafu.
We'll never know how a 90 year old man was defeated in person outside of a mech by a major corpo's most powerful soldier.
Walter is only like 60. He was a kid when FoI happened. Carla is the one who is probably 80-90.
It's not like he just hangs out in his AC. Remember when it takes like 3 waves for Michigan to get ready? You cant just hop in the thing and roll out. He probably wasn't prepared when they raided his ship. Snail catches you by surprise when he knocks you out and he mentions already having plans for Walter. It's possible he had a team ready to strike.
Whoops, wrong pic I just saw the thumbnail with firey looking stuff and clicked that one.
I feel so fricking bad for G6 Red, like he's generally distressed by your death even after he attacks you, dude honestly deserved better but then again that goes for alot of the cast.
His death sticks out because he treats you nice and respectful and tells you he has to try and finish his contract it isn't personal.
Snail and Iguazu are the only characters I genuinely disliked.
Okay I'll be that anon then
I like both Snail and Iguazu
I find them endearing
I find them both pathetic. They’re both also pretty entertaining to watch though, particularly because things always don’t go their way
Snails awesome. Really the only character i can think of that i didnt want to see more of was ring freddy. Even index dunham was kinda cool
>ring freddy
I appreciate he has lines if you fight him after shooting Dolmayan
I thought the Ring Freddie fight was cool
They're great antagonists, absolutely.
Snail's shennanigans get pretty endearing when you remember how Freud just casually ignored him
>Freud literally puts him on mute
KWAB
It just makes sense that the Arena #1 wouldn't miss a good fight for anything but it was cool how he just muted his boss.
Snail isn't his boss, he's the deputy commander. Freud is the commander, but doesn't care about anything except fighting so he relegated all his duties to Snail.
Freud is still V.I, probably much to Snail's chargrin for outranking him without caring for augs or flashy tech considering he runs more Balam than Arquebus parts for some reason
His weapons are also not very good. Nothing overpowered anyway. He’s probably intentionally using shit parts and weapons so that the fights would last longer
Some of the ideas aren't bad - Moreley for punish landings or shotgun you in the air, drones to punish staggers or other situations you're locked in an animation. It's honestly the Scudder and Laser Blade that let down his built. He would be scarier with a pulse blade.
Why iguazu hated us so much, anons 🙁 we just were following orders and then we got buttfricked and retaliate
It's understandable if you betray the Redguns at the dam, but he has an autistic bone to pick with you before that. He still sends the salty Xbox live message even if you don't backstab Balam right?
Yes.
He gets jealous because Michigan praises you and lets you complete their mission despite all the shit he talked to you for being a freelancer.
>don't betray him at the dam
>he spergs out during Depth Exploration and calls you a traitor
>betray him at the dam
>he's not present during Depth Exploration and just sends a merc after you
A bit of a clusterfrick.
>calls you a traitor
I thought he called you his ticket out of the Depths and the MTs called you a traitor?
Funny thing is in both the time when you face him at the damn and the time when you face him in the underground tunnels he thinks you got lucky beating him.
Only after the second time you fight him does he realize you're actually better than him.
classic animu
Theres only a handful of pilots i didnt feel bad for killing honestly. Unironically wish there was a pacifist option to just disable enemy ACs
THIS IS GUN ONE MICHIGAN COMMANDER UNDER THE BALAM SUBSIDIARY OF CHING CHONG DING DONG INCORPORATED
Are NEXTs stronger than Coral technology?
what did he mean by this
Dolmayan wants to pretend that he would never sacrifice human lives while running a fricking civilian paramilitary.
because deep down he would allow it. he's trying to respect the coral's sacrifice but secretly accepts it
I think he feels guilty about snorting what he's learned is a sentient being.
Yeah what a bunch of morons, imagine snorting sentient space dust like cocaine instead of trying to have sex with it
Do you think anyone ever shafted/boofed coral?
The Rubiconian's idea is symbiosis is devouring and using coral which Dolymian is morally against knowing that coral is sentient.
He was all about it until he heard about coral release from Seria.
I liked Iguazu
>i always envied you..
Honestly made me feel bad for him BUT he got volta killed so frick him
Yeah, dude just couldn’t handle Michigan’s way of talking. The redguns actually considered him their friend. If only he knew how good he had it
Couldn't handle the bants. Many such cases.
NTA, but I thought he became a very effective antagonist. I didn't like him per se, but I liked his character in that role.
Same
>perpetually seething insecure jobber
My fuarking hero. He's just like me.
Hey Raven I have no info on this mission we accepted from this mysterious sexy lady who sounds exactly like the ALLMIND AI but just keep your wits about you okay
Why do coral ladies have a thing for human men
C-ussy have no males.
You know I really do like Michigan, what really gets me about him is he doesn't mock his enemies once, he doesn't mock any of the RLF pilots and even when Index Dunham appears he doesn't mock him, instead he just humbles Volta, the same goes when you're riding out to take him and the last of the redguns out as well, he doesn't mock you either and if he does manage to take you out his priority is getting medial attention for his MT pilots.
I think he just doesn’t like arrogance in general. Whenever he hears someone being arrogant, especially if it’s his own men, he swiftly shuts them down. Shame the balam higher ups are such morons.
Walter even likes him, which is why he doesn't say much in Intercept. Frankly, he seems upset that you took the mission.
Even after all the shit Iguazu pulled, Michigan still leaps to his defense when the MT pilots shit talk him. Michigan was too good for the world of AC, which is probably why he ends up dead.
>Walter even likes him, which is why he doesn't say much in Intercept. Frankly, he seems upset that you took the mission.
Aren't he and Walter war buddies or was that just a headcanon from these threads?
>Michigan was too good for the world of AC, which is probably why he ends up dead.
That's just how it goes in AC in general.
I don't think they're war buddies, but Waltuh - assuming he's the boy in the Nagai logs - grew up on Jupiter. Michigan is a hero of the Jupiter War. They seem to have a pretty familiar relationship.
Michigan and Walter are implied to be friends from their time in Jupiter.
Michigan is such a cool dude that he doesn't even hold 621's betrayal at their first mission against him and Walter and continues to employ their services anyway
>Armored Core
>Story
????????????
normally I'd agree with you but 6 was probably the best FROM story i've played
Yeah, I honestly like it way better than the stories in their other games
6 has the best straight foward story outta all From's games, it was good.
Unironically one of my favorite games in terms of writing.
Most of the AC games have pretty good stories.
How can one die of a bad fall in an AC? Michigan death doesn't make sense.
Michigan was a mythic man. It took an act of god to end him no one else could have done it.
He's literally cracking a joke as he dies, because he's just built different.
I guess if hypothetically you somehow ended up in an upside down ac and hit the ground at terminal velocity?
You know, it's actually crazy that you don't get tumbled around when your ACS is overloaded. It doesn't make sense that you still stay upright, especially in midair.
He was an old man.
If you remove Snail and maybe Pater, the vespers is actually the most normal group in the story
Swinburne is a bully, and Freud is totally checked out of running the unit.
Freud just wants a good fight. Nothing wrong with that.
>Freud is a battle junkie
>O'Keeffe is a doomer
>Hawkins is consumed by Survivor's Guilt
>Swinburn is an odious paranoid
Only Rusty and Maeterlinck seem to be sane, at least by AC standards.
O’Keeffe and Hawkins are pretty chill. They both seem to be friends with Rusty too.
Rusty is living a double life and Maeterlinck has an unhealthy obsession with unrequited love that gets her killed.
That is really neat.
>Maeterlinck has an unhealthy obsession with unrequited love that gets her killed.
Where'd you get that idea?
Probably another headcanon
Her problem was being too loyal to Arquebus, and since Snail was the one calling the shots...
>unrequited love
What? Where the frick did this come from? Only time we see her is when she’s reasonably begging for reinforcements because she knows that 621 is out of her league
And because she knows that Snail is RIGHT THERE can can intervene at any time.
Being the sane one didn't do Maeterlinck any favors.
Maeterlinck dies because she followed Snail to a doomed planet.
Rusty dies for the same but he's trying to follow you.
As much as Snail would like to be Arquebus, he is not. Maeterlinck is just an Arquebus diehard. I don't think she and Snail were boning.
I don't care what you think bro.
>born for 1 purpose
>fail
NGMI
>schizo who hates ayre also ships maeterlinck with snail
Rather curious choice there
Not the same anon.
Yes it is. You’re not fooling me
>lorelet didn’t read Maeterlinck’s bio
Can you secondaries just frick off? Go back to Souls, “Fromfan.”
What part of that bio tells you that she has feelings for snail?
>Maeterlinck is a product of Generation Eight, which was held to have advanced the process to the point of rendering all previous generations obsolete, bringing about a new age of augmentation. Unfailingly loyal to Arquebus, she has a reliable track record in the field, and her conduct during missions has established her as a risk-averse problem-solver.
Where does this say she wants to frick Snail, bro?
>Deputy commander of the Vespers, the Arquebus Group's augmentation surgery, Snail continued to receive follow-up treatments as new technologies entered the mainstream so as to make their merits his own.
>Many augmented humans have died in order to assure the safety of his repeated "adjustments."
>>Many augmented humans have died in order to assure the safety of his repeated "adjustments."
>>Many augmented humans have died in order to assure the safety of his repeated "adjustments."
>>Many augmented humans have died in order to assure the safety of his repeated "adjustments."
>Many augmented humans have died in order to assure the safety of his repeated "adjustments."
>Snail!
Still not seeing any text that says she wants to bang Snail, bro
>Delusional autist who spends 200+ posts yelling about headcanons is a crackshipper
KEK. Reevaluate literally everything about your life, bro. You're making a bunch of wrong choices.
You might have genuine autism then if you can't piece it together. She is following Snail specifically to a painful degree, even goes on missions with him and cries out for him when dying.
Snail is autistic and only cares about his own perfection.
I'm sorry you are so autistic you didn't piece together the relationship. You gays will wax on for hours about what it means that Michigan punched Iguazu once but you don't actually have brains for other things.
I'm sorry you have a condition.
She goes on 1 (one) mission in the game with Snail, and I think the reason she's calling for Snail has more to do with his AC being prepped for combat right there than because they're banging.
And she dies there, calling out to her oniichan. It's coincidental her 1 (one) mission was with her oniichain wasn't it? She probably felt very safe with her oniichan there.
Meds. Now.
>You have autism if you don't agree with my crack ship
Ahahaha oh no no no that's not how this works
You didn't see basic character interactions so you might have autism. Sorry buddy.
You probably aren't gay for seeing the ones between the guys and missing or misrepresenting all the girls though. It is just the autism.
>seething
kek
Not seething, anon. I’m just thankful that you are entertaining us with your autism. Maybe I could draw some Maeterlinck x Snail fanart for you if you like
Sounds like you are seething. It's fine with me.
I wouldn't blame Snail for trying to tap that. She's got a cute ass in that sketch.
Snail is probably gay though
He does have homosexual vibes.
He's Arquebusexual
All about the Arquebussy (Father Dolmayan, forgive me)
And this is the guy calling people who don't autistically hate Ayre "schizos" and "simps?
This homie thinks Snail and ML are banging, and that Snail uses ML clones to test out new augs. Lmaooooo.
Kek. My fricking sides. It just keeps getting better
>Unfailingly loyal to Arquebus
>snail says he is Arquebus
check mate, atheist
>doesn't know Maeterlinck is a lil Snail in lore following his augmentation and risk management style
Simps really are ruining the threads.
Half this thread is you having a meltdown anon. Who's really ruining them?
The simps that don't know anything about the game.
You got proven wrong multiple times in this thread and all you can do is say "neat" because you have no counter argument.
We get you like the game and want to be part of the threads but you losers keep getting basic info on the game wrong and then, without fail, try to bants on the people correcting you.
She's a literal clone of him following his augmentation path and how he manages. She has a crush on him in a japanese style where a woman will follow a man to the ends of the earth. Snail is autistic and doesn't care or doesn't see it.
>homosexual who cries simp all the time is a delusional shippergay
Color me surprised
I'm sorry you didn't pay attention during the game. Probably explains why you simp for coral when others don't.
Sorry, man. I was too distracted by the Maeterlinck x Snail romance to pay attention to the story.
I'm sorry the game contradicts your headcanon, bro, maybe I'll write you some SnailxMaeterlinck fan fic for you
It doesn't though. She is replicating snail specifically and dedicated to Arquebus. Snail is Arquebus.
She is a woman in an anime game, I'm sorry you can't see what is plainly there.
You get why Iguazu or Rusty works as their trope because you are a gaymo, you don't get the Maeterlinck because it isn't 2 guys being psuedo gay.
>keeps saying wrong things about the game
>chimps out and starts screaming "neat" and "simp" when corrected
Why are you projecting so hard?
>generator output ads increased to 91
SCHNEIDERBROS WE ARE SO FRICKING BACK
Can you really reliably stagger with that setup? I'd think it'd be hard to land melee attacks otherwise and you're definitely not looking to trade blows.
For PvP? No. For PvE? Yeah one full songbird + one charged laser blade spin will stagger named NPC ACs. I used this (AC parts replaced with the other lightweight torso) to S rank baws investigation with the invisible ACs. Now I can do that and go back to schneider pieces
Both Songbird shots and charged melee attacks can be tricky to time without trading blows.
Post that pic of fat ayre
Snail only loves Arqueboy though
Snail IS THE ARQUEBOY
I'd like to think that Walter wasn't going to use you anymore after you found out the Coral convergence was in the Icefields and he was getting his AC ready to go there. But when he sees you already set to go he figures why not.
It definitely seems like he develops a respect for you over the course of the game. Like when he starts standing up for you when Snail calls you a hound.
Hearing from Sulla again might have made him realize how many lives he's waisted trying to complete his goal and made him feel guilty.
my no frills AC
>ransetsus and sneedles
I am triggered
I should have been using the rail guns the whole time, but at least they buffed the velocity on these.
You could be a lot faster if you used Truenos.
I'm fast enough, but those are pretty fun to use.
>Ayre hater is a Maeterlinck X Snail fanboy
You can’t make this shit up
He's actually insane it's amazing
>NGI is Nagai
>WLT is Walter
who was HAL?
Dad
Save her Snail
SAVE HER
FromSLOP hahaha.
>youtube link
I'm not giving you free views anon
>Maeterlinck is built for abuse
>Snail is the biggest piece of shit in the series
Not a bad ship to be honest.
Evangelion
Maeterlinck, my beloved
>no breasts
>those giant shoulders
that is a man
Frick, you got me, anon. Maeterlinck x Snail is now my OTP
>Guess who IS ARQUEBUS?
Not you, sBlack person.
>uses half Balam parts
DA ALPHA DOES WHAT HE WANTS
Dude probably just ripped those straight out of the balam mooks that he killed. Probably didn’t even wash them first
I really wish the Freud fight was harder. Give me my AC version of Jetstream Sam.
What would happen if Freud encountered a female pilot who can give him a good fight while they both out of their ACs?
Plapregnate her and then teach his son to build and pilot an AC.
>t. Snail
Irrefutable evidence, Ayregays will never recover
I finished all 3 all three endings in the game. I noticed that there are still three opponents in the arena, that are labelled restricted. When I try to access them. A window pops up saying "You do not meet the conditions for this match".
What do?
lol
lmao even
you can only do them at the end of the ALLMIND route
lmao
They should be available DURING Allmind route.
You should had fight them during the ALLMIND route, now it's lost forever.
You blew your cover at the 11th hour discord shitter. Well played.
Missed them, you have to get to chapter 4 of the Allmind route
You're going to have get your NG+ state back to the point of Alea Iacta Est where they're available.
Those 3 are breeding simulations with Ayre. You need to get her affection to maximum first before you unlock them
>went for Fires route first
It's over, isn't it?
there’s still the allmind variant. It has ntr in the end though
It depends on whether you let her hit you with her crotch and leglock you.
Extremely based possibly the most based individual alive
You are a king anon they have nothing on you, not one iota
They're worth doing. You missed out on some good parts
I did them all because I was curious. I was surprised they weren't available after the game resets to a fresh NG+ run.
They're meant to explain why Ayre shows up in an AC at the end, so thats probably why they only show up there. Since arena content is optional though, they're easy to miss. It's strange that the NG+ ones don't disappear if you don't do them, I wonder if they show up whether or not you do the alternate missions your first time through.
Only 6 more S-ranks to go now. Unfortunately both the coral convergence missions are still left.
Bosses are trivial to S-rank. Basically if you win, you get S.
Is the alt coral convergence mission similarly forgiving? The one where you don't fight Ibis? That's the one I'm probably more concerned with.
Just go in hard and focus ARQUEBUS down, jobber mark 3 or 4 dies as easily as always. No checkpoint restarts but all of these ac fights are pretty easy.
Voice lines that literally unequivocally describe you and you plan to pull in real life
>This ghost of me won't last long; leave a spot for me in hell