As a game developer how do you approach this issue? Should you make each pellet stronger?

As a game developer how do you approach this issue? Should you make each pellet stronger? Should you measure damage radially? pellet patterns? % of crosshair covered?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nerf female characters or give away the IDs of players who play female to your military recruiters so they get to be prioritized.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fixed weapon spread
      At least 1 pellet dead center
      It's not complicated

      Random spread and unrealistic range is the balance. I never understand that argument. The balance is that it's high damage and high risk to deal a close up meatshot or you leave it down to chance whether or not you're dealing chip damage or better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you need rng to balance shotguns having shit range isn't enough
        absolute moron. have a nice day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a game I did I made it somewhat similar.
      The middle shot would always hit in the middle but the other ones would be random inside their little spaces, like if it was a 3x3 tile the bullet could land anywhere inside its tile. I think it brings some random to it while having consistency

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't normally play online shooters.(Haven't played one since Halo 3) But why wouldn't you just create a radius that begins at the barrel of the gun. Then as the radius projects down the distance your fired, it grows. And pellets are scattered semi-randomly. In order to reduce some of the randomness, you assign each pellet a zone. That way, you won't get complete dead zones by randomness. And a center zone ensures that at least one pellet will hit, unless your aim is REALLY off, and you get REALLY unlucky.

      I illustrated it with only 9 pellets. But it might be better to add a denser amount of pellets, so the damage done will have a finer "grain" to it. That way, it will have more variable damage. Rather than either doing a shitload or doing nothing.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what issue?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is "this issue"?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what issue?

      sir this is an image board

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok but what's the issue? Give context for the image

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          man shoot 9 damage man shoot 233 damage
          if you cant understand it idk if I want ur opinion

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just remove shotguns entirely. They cannot be balanced and they were never MEANT to be balanced. Reminder that man has tried to ban 2 weapons IN REAL LIFE: The Crossbow and The Trenchgun (The mother fricking SHOTGUN)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man has tried to ban a lot more than 2, moron. Gas, incendiary, laser, cluster, mines, etc.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fixed weapon spread
    At least 1 pellet dead center
    It's not complicated

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing Floor figured out video game shotgun long time ago.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, remove the PvP Element.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just make the bullets deal fixed damage but have varying lifetimes.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just give everyone 1 hp

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if more games had good armor systems, shotguns wouldn't need to be stupidly nerfed

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    quake 3's shotgun is perfect

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Accept the shotgun is OP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this, it's just the best thing you can use up close because you're firing like a hundred bullets in one shot. if you're not okay with this then don't have a shotgun at all

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Create 3 or 4 layers of circles, have a random number of pellets in each one in random positions. Have outer pellets do less damage than inner pellets. Possibly put a max damage such as not able to do more than X damage if half the pellets hit the target to remove melee range blasts, or have it scale damage down with each additional pellet that hits the target.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More pellets = more entities = more server strain

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is you can possibly end up with just a line unless you have something to take into account to spread them somewhat evenly

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or just don't care, you either go random, psuedo random, or don't. You might as well not go random at all if that's your concern and make each pellet have its own properties/etc like I mentioned. You could even randomly spin the wheel of pellets for variance, or give each pellet a tiny bit of randomness of it's own circle if consistency is actually a concern. Seems like a lot of effort for aesthetics which aren't even realistic anyway

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have all the shotguns loaded with slug rounds

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Embrace the OPness
    >mfw spewing blasts of pure FRICK YOU that pierce through entire crowds and send them flying with significant force
    Rangers lead the FRICKING way

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the guy on the right taking any damage at all, let alone a grievous amount?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most shooters have very short effective range for shotguns because most shooters have fairly small maps where firefights don't take place at ranges where the differences between weapons would become readily apparent.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain what’s going on with the image? Is the guy shooting the air doing the high damage or is he doing only 9 damage? It looks like the guy on the left is receiving 9 damage since he’s making that weird facial expression.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shotguns must be random
    why? midwits repeat this in every shotgun thread but never explain why

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because some (all) pellet configurations are semi-random in real life.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In real life the spread is tight enough that the pattern won't be readily apparent under 50m, which is past the range most firefights in non-milsim shooters take place at be unless you're using a sniper.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you already threw out realism when you make shotguns have 10ft of effective range you stupid Black person

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick balance. Do shotguns justice, and if everybody ends up using them, so be it.
    >waaaaah why are swords not viable when guns exist? Nerf guns, nerf them waaaah!
    I am so sick and tired of having shitty ineffective shotguns in all games because some idiots want their moronic special snowflake that specializes in potato launchers to be on par with the rest of the weapons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like this take honestly, everyone uses assault rifles, games would be better if everyone used shotguns

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      make maps like bad company 2 and shotguns would be much worse due to map size and other guns able to actually perform.

      Also videogames often let people run around like worming super soldiers where in real life you'd just spray them with rifle fire and they'd die instantly.

      Talking about balance is moronic when you can hit a man in the chest with a pistol 3 times and he can fly towards you and kill you with a melee shotgun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like this take honestly, everyone uses assault rifles, games would be better if everyone used shotguns

      make maps like bad company 2 and shotguns would be much worse due to map size and other guns able to actually perform.

      Also videogames often let people run around like worming super soldiers where in real life you'd just spray them with rifle fire and they'd die instantly.

      Talking about balance is moronic when you can hit a man in the chest with a pistol 3 times and he can fly towards you and kill you with a melee shotgun

      The shotguns in Insurgency actually act like real shotguns, they're very fun to use. Insurgency has body armor as a mechanic, so they balance out by having shit penetration unless you use slugs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can one pump anyone with any shotgun with flechette at decent range, the only reason people don't use shotguns more in it is because there's no semiauto mag fed ones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure; then just properly (realistically) implement armor, camouflage, other guns, and damage modeling which are the counter plays irl. I'm on board.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Insurgency does this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >stuck in insurgency
          Honestly the worst part about insurgency's balance system. And the limited attachments/point buy system. Because somehow carrying a suppressor is weighted the same as heavy armor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I want it, but no one will ever do it in a game I actually want to play.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Get told that the shotgun is the worst weapon in Doom 3
    >play the game
    >it's the most fun weapon by far if you use it the right way by charging up to demons and putting the muzzle in their mouth

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the problem is when you need to do lag compensation + interpolation + multiple ray casts and calculate the result in a manner that is fair for everyone involved.
    answer is i dunno.

    heavy play testing across different latencies to come up with a fancy dynamic compensation system or something. maybe instead of rays you use thin cylinders, though that may cause performance issues.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or maybe a cone and adjust the damage for how much of the receiver hitbox is exposed + distance falloff to simulate multiple pellets. Then fake the bullet holes. Makes lag compensation easier.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Add slugs and let you 1shot people from 50 yards away like real life

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