Alright, time to do the math, Ganker:
All those women are worth 2.5 persons in weight, yet are only worth 1/4th of a regular developer.
How many developers are in this image?
I'm always passive interested what's happening there.
It's great that it causes so much seethe among redditors because it's still widely considered the best site for rpgs discussion where even devs acknowledge it even with all the "alt-right" politics
Even funnier considering how much they shit on Deadfire and Outer Worlds. Obsidian even tried breaking away from them at one point and it was a disaster since in the end, they are the primary audience of their somewhat niche games.
>to be fair deadfire was not very good
Wrong and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise. It was much better than the first game in nearly every way and it sure as hell was better than T(y)ranny.
They still do. That dev posting there said him being there has a chance of getting him fired. I highly doubt Carrie, Josh, or Hanson would be caught dead there. Definitely not Feargus either. >they are the primary audience of their somewhat niche games.
Makes you wonder why they ignored their own forums and everyone else in favor for some tiny gay discord server when they were making Deadfire.
Sawyer wouldn't get caught dead there because he's the type to consider the site full of "alt-right" types
I doubt obsidian would fire him, considering he's the reason they didn't went bankrupt
If Obsidian/Josh IS ever backed into a corner with the whole throwing-Chris-under-a-bus thing, you can be sure that zero mentions of the fake rapes will be mentioned, and the REAL reason they cut ties with him will be >he posted on reactionary forums like RPG Codex!
I seriously doubt ANY load-bearing Obsidian dev is posting on Codex voluntarily
Even funnier considering how much they shit on Deadfire and Outer Worlds. Obsidian even tried breaking away from them at one point and it was a disaster since in the end, they are the primary audience of their somewhat niche games.
I mean, they hyped Black Geyser to hell and back solely to spite Pillars, only to turn out that the game was complete dogshit and was launched in an unfinished state, with many features missing, from companion quests, to strongholds, multi-classing, dual-wielding etc. The coping and seething was hilarious, only for the game to be forgotten not long after. Age of Decadence is in a similar position. Pure slop that people praise to spite the bigger studios.
That's more on the Geyser devs to be fair. Also don't forget that those devs disavowed (get it? ah ah ah) RPGCodex in favor of Rpgnet. The only "dev" we have on Codex that worked on the game is the devs ex-girlfriend who worked on marketing or something. Age of Decadence is pretty much played by everyone there so what more do you want from them?
If it was Pillars 1-tier writing I'd be excited I know not everyone liked it but I loved it. Meanwhiles Pillars 2 was fricking Marvel Cinematic Universe quippy shit. Pity, because it was peak fun in RTwP and character building.
>Pillars 1-tier writing
Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms. >Pillars 2 was fricking Marvel Cinematic Universe quippy shit
Just when I thought Obsidian’s writing couldn’t get any worse.
>Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
Unfortunately true, yeah. BRObydon DLC was great and pre-Twin Elms was great. Man, I wish Pillars 2 had better writing, everything else about it is great. The class system is so good. Making a Crusader from Shieldbearer Paladin and Unbroken Fighter that has a million defensive and regen passives, a hyper glass cannon Seer that snaps in one hit but annihilates anything it touches, INT Barbarian who trained in the library, Muscle Wizard who pre-buffs more than a Baldur's Gate party and is literally untouchable.
>Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
Nah, that's where the story actually gets good and the final confrontation with Thaos is kino. >Just when I thought Obsidian’s writing couldn’t get any worse.
I don't get the hate for it tbh. People say le marvel quips, but it's tame compared to Divinity, Wasteland, or Pathfinder in that regard. And I've yet to be given proper examples outside of that one letter you get from the pirate chick, which isn't even "marvel".
Kingdom Cum
Tainted Grail
The Witcher
TES (apart from Sheograth stuff and crap like easter eggs)
Is ME too old?
Yeah, there isn't much if we're talking about modern RPGs from the West.
Pretty sure that's one of the companions. The MC was shown to be male. Also, you can literally choose your gender, so I have no idea what the hell you're whining about.
>Also, you can literally choose your gender
woah woah woah slow down there xister.... we do NOT refer to those constructs here, we have body type 1 and body type 2 for birthing purposes.
Remember when Josh Sawyer talked about how heterosexual couples are problematic and then Deadfire had bisexuals and gays whose relationships were built entirely on casual sex?
Yeah, Sawyer put all that love into the setting itself, going for the full colonial look with the armor and feathered cap for your player character, and East India Trading Company vs locals and tribals was great atmosphere, marred by the annoying characters and wildly erratic writing.
>he didn't sacrifice Pallegina to the blood pool
Good fricking riddance, birdbitch. Funny thing is that I'm allied with her faction, but I'm glad to not have her around in DF anyway.
>"this is good news guys!"
Why do you have to say this
Can't people just tell if thing is good or bad
Almost like your trying to make up a narrative or something
>Isnt platinum games just expanded clover studio?
Yeah, with Mikami, Inaba, and Kamiya and whoever they brought with them. It also feels a lot like it. Sometimes I forget Bayonetta isn't published by Capcom. >bioware pre-Anthem and arkane pre-dishonored 2.
I think Arkane yes, but Bioware's founders had already left a long time before that.
Bioware had a sorts ship of Theseus situation with talent leaking slowly more or less since the EA buy out.
Then, post Anthem is started leaking like cannonball hole
>No big company
I think the only one that has more or less maintained the same key people is Remedy
Isnt platinum games just expanded clover studio?
But I can't really think of anywhere else other than bioware pre-Anthem and arkane pre-dishonored 2.
Valve still has plenty of old guard. and the new millenial/zoomer employees seethe about it because the old guard have bigger sway and force them to work on profitable things instead of ugly black woman walking simulators.
It's amazing how much of a fricking meme diversity and representation is
We used to have female devs that were some of the best of the industry.
They got replaced by hackish nu-males carried by their coworkers and talentless diversity hires without single accomplishment to their name
No. Because she's happily pandered to liberals in her subsequent work at other companies. She wrote Forspoken. She got forced out of Naughty Dog just because she was in the way of someone with an ego and aspirations.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I see, nevermind then. It's a shame because Soul Reaver is excellent.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>She wrote Forspoken
she was only one of like six other writers for that game and did the worldbuilding, not the dialogue or characters etc
I don't know if that was the cause, but after years of lying about it, with ND saying they've "parted ways" a interview with Nolan North years ago confirmed she actually had been fired
Not really a stretch to know who was the responsible
kek didn't this woman write the plot in Forspoken? there's no way she was involved with anything major in the games on her resume. Probably took all the credit for everyone's else's work in Soul Reaver as well.
IIRC there were some accusations levied against her that most of the writing credit that went to her belongs to some of her team members. Not sure how true that is, but I also consider the plot of Soul Reaver to be a mess compared to the original, so yeah.
>kek didn't this woman write the plot in Forspoken?
I doubt anyone actually wrote Forspoken. It was full of meme production decisions like 6 writers, one of them Gary Whitta.
IIRC there were some accusations levied against her that most of the writing credit that went to her belongs to some of her team members. Not sure how true that is, but I also consider the plot of Soul Reaver to be a mess compared to the original, so yeah.
>there were some accusations levied against her that most of the writing credit that went to her belongs to some of her team members
I've never heard of that. Would surprise me because she worked on the franchise since the first game. >but I also consider the plot of Soul Reaver to be a mess compared to the original
I love Blood Omen and Soul Reaver so much it's honestly hard to pick. But they're on the same level with different aims
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Would surprise me because she worked on the franchise since the first game.
Wasn't the writer for the first game some guy that got outed as a sex offender? Or am I mixing people up here?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dennis Dyack?
I don't think so
I know he hated the gaming press and made great games so he's fricking awesome in my book
Nah they can upgrade a lot. Just look at the statfield initial trailer and the most recent one. In that time they've added global illumination which makes everything look so much better.
This "obsislop" game is being made in unreal engine 5, the most cutting edge game engine out there. Starfield is being made on a 20 year old engine. Whatever starfield can do visually, unreal engine can do and more.
This game looks fricking amazing I legit can't wait to play it. Obsidian style of RPG combined with a fantasy setting is like a wet dream come true for me. I was more hyped for this than fable tbh. But fable still looks good. So did that steampunk RPG. Man us RPG Chad's are eating so well this year and next.
It could be cool if it's a species of sentient parasitic mushrooms that use their hosts to create a society of fungi and you eventually learn to communicate and understand them. Turns out they're intelligent they become a faction you can trade or dear with, or eradicate them through war.
Sawyer has yet to lead a original universe project and make a good final product. Daily reminder that the only critically acclaimed and universally beloved occult classics of his are exclusively borrowed IP sequels: Knights of the Old Republic II and New Vegas. Avowed has a 80% chance of being a flop like the rest of the pseudo intellectual slop he has released. Sawyer does not have the imaginative bone in him to create a fun universe and characters, he has to play off of another man's ideas and add interesting POV to them.
I'll use KotOR II and F:NV as examples. Both of these titles have prequels and franchises that are incredibly easy to get into, they flesh out the universes in comfortable and accessible way, where it's not pure exposition dumps, and the universes feel lived in and interesting, all the characters and dialogue is intriguing and the games never force you to head dive into millions of foreign concepts that are hard to stick to or remember. Other Sawyer slop focuses autistically on character builds, vague uninteresting dialogue options that are just not fun to choose, the worlds are full of intensive walls of foreign text and names and overbearing garbage from the get go, and there is absolutely no player worship. Majority of people play video games to feel fan service, they want to feel powerful, to feel important, to feel good, because video games are about fun. That's the core element of every video game, fan service. Sawyer does not understand this, he autistically makes european indie film equivalents of games that do not appeal to normal people who want to have fun.
>Both of these titles have prequels and franchises that are incredibly easy to get into, they flesh out the universes in comfortable and accessible way, where it's not pure exposition dumps, and the universes feel lived in and interesting, all the characters and dialogue is intriguing and the games never force you to head dive into millions of foreign concepts that are hard to stick to or remember
Kotor and NV have the benefit of being a part of much larger universe, and most people who play them are expected to know the fundamentals. The problem is that when introducing an entirely new setting with all these high concept you have to find a way to get the player up to speed otherwise they'd feel lost. I'll admit that Sawyer could have done it better, but the comparison is a bit unfair. >and there is absolutely no player worship. Majority of people play video games to feel fan service, they want to feel powerful, to feel important, to feel good, because video games are about fun. That's the core element of every video game, fan service
Funny, because the entire trailer is just the characters talking about how awesome and cool the player is, and how he'll change the fate of the world and whatnot, which resulted in everyone complaining that you're getting sucked off too much. Seems like nobody can make up their mind on what they want out of a game.
I don't consider trailers as relevant introductions or overviews of games. I'll be positively surprised if it actually works out this way since then it has the chance of being as fun to play as FN:V. I will wait for the game to release and look at some gameplay VODs, and if it propers actual fun fan service I will most likely purchase it. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for Sawyer but I highly doubt it.
To be honest, I'm kinda tired of being the center of the universe. I much rather be just some random adventurer than the almighty chosen savior of the universe with a royal harem. But that's just me. >Hopefully this will be a wake up call for Sawyer but I highly doubt it.
He's not involved
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Anonymous
I pretty much exclusively play video games for fun interactivity and mixmatch of other medium all in one, since I have yet to meet one that matches other mediums in story telling or thought provoking digestive written matter. But I can understand why some people might have a different perspective, I'm just talking from my POV why I don't think Sawyer is a good dev/team leader. Is he really not working at Avowed? So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Is he really not working at Avowed? So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
He did say he longer wanted to work on big games and would much rather focus on smaller passion projects.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
Pentiment was good, get why you wouldn't play it if history wasn't your thing, but it was absolutely a great game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the almighty chosen savior of the universe with a royal harem.
I'm a bit torn on it
Because player worship is always half assed. I want either to be a small cog with my own group moving in an interesting world or I want to move and shake the world as I pass
The vast majority of games land smack in the middle, where they sorta suck your dick, but not well
Like, when was the last time they actually have a harem?
Skyrim is a good example. You inexplicably becomes leader of every faction, and are also the prophesied hero to save the world yet guards still whine at you
You snowBlack person. I'm a god of your pantheon. My coming was foretold, my presence a sign of the twilight of all things.
I should be in a palace in a mountain with all of your women and mead
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Skyrim is a good example. You inexplicably becomes leader of every faction, and are also the prophesied hero to save the world yet guards still whine at you
That's a thing people complained about. It's way too easy to become powerful and influential in a short span of time, which makes it feel undeserved. A lot of WRPGs have this problem where they give the player too much power too early and it makes the journey feel cheap. It's why I've become so anti-player worship and much prefer being some literally who adventurer or mercenary traveling through the land, getting involved in small conflicts and moving on.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>being some literally who adventurer or mercenary traveling through the land, getting involved in small conflicts and moving on.
The Witcher games (and the books too actually) work phenomenally more when Geralt is just an observer/outsider type caught in someone else's story.
There are reasons pic related is such a fantastic expansion and one of them it's how is a complete story Geralt experiences much the same way the player does.
Either suck my dick properly or don't.
I remember Amalur had proper dick sucking. Everyone who knew what you were was in awe of your sheer existence
11 months ago
Anonymous
While the main plot of TW3 is a mess, the expansions, or at least the first one was pretty good and had a much smaller scale story. Geralt as a whole is a cool character because he's close with the chosen one. Nobody gives a shit about him and the only reason important figures pursue him is because of his connection to Ciri. Otherwise he's nobody. A freak that might as well not exist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
While the main plot of TW3 is a mess, the expansions, or at least the first one was pretty good and had a much smaller scale story. Geralt as a whole is a cool character because he's close with the chosen one. Nobody gives a shit about him and the only reason important figures pursue him is because of his connection to Ciri. Otherwise he's nobody. A freak that might as well not exist.
Eh, it's more of a mixed bag. You're not THE chosen one like Ciri is but it's not like the MC is some random shmuck. Also, that DLC has you outsmart an actual demon/devil who keeps fricking with everybody just for the lols. And hot chicks keep jumping on Geraldo's dick in every book or game. There's a reason this franchise is mostly popular with teenage boys.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>MC is some random shmuck.
Nobody wants to play as an actual random schmuck. Unless you're going dor EuroTruck simulator. Geralt is a professional monster hunter that's good at his job.
His dalliances with important people and monumental events come and go, but like I said, the reason the expansion is so good it's because it's mostly removed from that. >Also, that DLC has you outsmart an actual demon/devil who keeps fricking with everybody
Gee, almost like that's a fairy tale trope or something. >There's a reason this franchise is mostly popular with teenage boys.
It's one of the best selling videogames of all time. Videogames are for teenage boys.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody wants to play as an actual random schmuck.
That's just not true but, regardless, don't say those games don't suck the players dick. Unless you meant tto say they do it properly. >Gee, almost like that's a fairy tale trope or something.
That's irrelevant. Gary Stu still prevails in the end. >It's one of the best selling videogames of all time. Videogames are for teenage boys.
I meant the books, my bad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's just not true
It is. Here, this is the game, you're guard in a small town, bandits invade it and kill you. That's the game as a random schmuck. >don't say those games don't suck the players dick.
What games? >That's irrelevant. Gary Stu still prevails in the end.
What are you talking about? You don't even need to best him. Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles. >I meant the books, my bad.
I mean, it should be popular on the same demographics as ASoIaF. But I don't think anyone ever did an analysis
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't even need to best him. Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
Nta, but Gollum is a deformed moron. It doesn't take a genius to beat him. A more apt comparison would be if Bilbo beat Sauron in riddles.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Here, this is the game, you're guard in a small town, bandits invade it and kill you.
Sure, it could go that way. Or perhaps you could repel them because guards aren't just drunked idiots and the story would unravel a bit? There's a difference between a trained guard or a warrior and a super-special handsome brooding hero who's getting seduced every 10 minutes. >What games?
The Witcher games. >What are you talking about? You don't even need to best him.
Geralt can outsmart literal devil = the game's sucking (You) off and he's Gary Stu. Simple. >Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
Yeah, a deranged schizo hobo totally equals a devil. Come on, anon.
Yeah, and Oedipus outsmarts the Sphinx. Hermes tricks Argos; Ulysses tricks Polyphemus; Johnny plays harder than the Devil. If someone using guile to beat the monster is a Mary Sue then hard to think anyone that isn't >Or perhaps you could repel
You can't, they're better armed and better trained. You died, like many random schmucks do. >The Witcher games.
When did I say they don't your dick? >Yeah, a deranged schizo hobo
Did you people even read the Hobbit? Do you think Bilbo can take Smeagol in a fight? Do you think it was Mary Sueish when Smaug didn't immediately burned him? We're talking about one of the oldest tropes in existence
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Oedipus, Hermes, Ulysses
All are renowned for their cunning and wit. Geralt is not, at least not to such degree as those three. He's much bigger on intimidation than wit unless you count preparing an oil or a potion wit. >Sphinx, Argos, Polyphemus
None of those are the devil. Once again with those dishonest comparisons. >When did I say they don't your dick?
I asked about that earlier and you ignored me so I assumed you're arguing the opposite. >Do you think it was Mary Sueish when Smaug didn't immediately burned him?
Bilbo was using a magical ring forged by devil junior. He's excused. Also, I don't recall Bilbo slicing and dicing his way through the Middle-Earth while also fricking all the women so, again, with inaccurate comparisons. It's like your 4th one now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Geralt is not
He is though. That's his job. W3 being easy has given people the impression that he can just show up and swing his sword once and solve the problem but the whole deal of being a witcher is preparation and cunning. You can't beat a monster through brute strength. Plus, people comment in him being a smartass all the time. >None of those are the devil
Gaunter O'Dimm isn't the devil either. >Once again with those dishonest comparisons
Only if you miss the forest for the trees. >I asked about that earlier and you ignored me
No, I even asked what were you talking about >Bilbo was using a magical ring forged by devil junior
Smaug could smell him and the dwarves and the ponies. The Ring doesn't make you fireproof or magically convincing.
At least it wouldn't a Hobbit. >I don't recall Bilbo slicing and dicing his way through the Middle-Earth while also fricking all the women
The expansion starts with Geralt being captured and only getting freed because of O'Dimm. The only woman he fricks is a an ex-girl he couldn't make it work in the past. >again, with inaccurate comparisons
They're gonna be all very inaccurate since you haven't played the expansion Or read any of those stories
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, since this is turning into a literal kiddie "debate" a la >No no no no, I didn't say that, you did!
I'm gonna be wrapping this up. >Smaug could smell him and the dwarves and the ponies. The Ring doesn't make you fireproof or magically convincing.
Correct, and he's still going after Bilbo, even when he's invisible. >The expansion starts with Geralt being captured and only getting freed because of O'Dimm.
Doesn't really matter - a couple of setbacks doesn't mean he's not a Gary Stu. It doesn't mean you come out on top of every single situation or encounter. Rey is a big one and she still fails sometimes. >They're gonna be all very inaccurate since you haven't played the expansion Or read any of those stories
Black, you're out here comparing ancient demon masterminds to schizo hobbits or monsters. Then you're acting all pissy about it when someone points this crap out. It'd be easier to just accept Geralt is a Gary Stu (both in-game and books), you'd definitely save some dignity this way.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>since this is turning into a literal kiddie "debate"
Then stop doing it. >Correct, and he's still going after Bilbo
Why couldn't he succeed? It's a small hobbit and a dragon powerful enough to destroy a kingdom? How's that not Mary Sueish? How is that shepherd Oedipus beat the monster that the cleverest men of Thebes couldn't? How come Odysseus could enrage the God of the Seas and still return home to his kingdom? >It doesn't mean you come out on top of every single situation
Lmao, "succeeding=gary stu". Okay then. >Black, you're out here comparing ancient demon masterminds to schizo hobbits or monsters
Polyphemus is literally the son of one the three major gods of the Greeks.
The Sphinx alone held the kingdom of Thebes hostage. You're desperately creating a separation that doesn't exist. > you're acting all pissy about it when someone points this crap out.
Lol, your throwing a hissy fit over being called out by how dumb your argumentation is. >to just accept Geralt is a Gary Stu
Black person I don't give a frick if you consider Geralt a mary stu or not. Specially a moron like you who's could only recall Star Wars as a point of comparison.
He likely is, as are most, if not all RPG protagonists. The problem is you act like he's a Mary sue on the expansion, when he's basically an observer there.
Most of his actions there rely on others or just discovery and talk rather than fight. He doesn't frick a boat load of women of get a happy ending by his will alone.
Your only point about how he's a mary stu expansion is that he tricked the devil, an old as all frick story element that has shown up fricking everywhere
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Why couldn't he succeed?
Because he doesn't have a radar and just woke up. It's very simple. >Polyphemus is literally the son of one the three major gods of the Greeks.
Comparing Greek mythos to this situation in The Witcher is, once again, inaccurate because every 3rd character is an offspring of a god. Geraldo is just a Gary Stu and not someone who's known for his outstanding wit or cunning. >Lol, your throwing a hissy fit over being called out by how dumb your argumentation is.
And this comes from a person using vague proverbs inaccurately as a response to people calling out his silly arguments? Who in their right mind would compare Gollum to an actual, ancient demon? >Specially a moron like you who's could only recall Star Wars as a point of comparison
Ah, so now we're at "t-t-this doesn't matter because X". Good to know, dude.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Johnny did play harder than the devil tho bro
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tbh, I thought the Devil went harder
Although he had that whole chorus accompanying him, so I dunno
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Here, this is the game, you're guard in a small town, bandits invade it and kill you.
Sure, it could go that way. Or perhaps you could repel them because guards aren't just drunked idiots and the story would unravel a bit? There's a difference between a trained guard or a warrior and a super-special handsome brooding hero who's getting seduced every 10 minutes. >What games?
The Witcher games. >What are you talking about? You don't even need to best him.
Geralt can outsmart literal devil = the game's sucking (You) off and he's Gary Stu. Simple. >Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
Yeah, a deranged schizo hobo totally equals a devil. Come on, anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but Geralt is absolutely not just some random hobo. He's by far one of the strongest witchers by the feats he has accomplished in the books and games. He goes toe to toe with the strongest entities in the books/games, and jobbs only to the most powerful mage in the universe and the entity that is meant to be an allegory of a Devil/God. There is no reason for you to think at any point in the story that Geralt is a weakling hobo, from the very first book he's established as an incredibly powerful swordsman and a very capable witcher.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>NTA, but Geralt is absolutely not just some random hobo. >from the very first book he's established as an incredibly powerful swordsman and a very capable witcher.
Yes, I agree. I was arguing the games (and the books too) go rather ham on the powerwank and sucking the player off.
>Sawyer does not understand this, he autistically makes european indie film equivalents of games that do not appeal to normal people who want to have fun.
So his games are not normie friendly? Kinda based ngl.
I was under the impression that he was involved with K2, my bad then. I guess the only good game he has made is F:NV, interesting. I think Alpha Protocol was... fun? But it lacked any substance outside of the cartoonishly fun dialogue/character choice. I don't think the overarching story, worldbuilding, or gameplay were well done at all.
Honestly I'm fine with that overall, though I can see how a creative would grow restless in those confines. Some writers do best riffing off of others, adding a few key ideas and taking things in interesting directions. As long as there's respect for what came before, it has a lot of potential and Obsidian showed that repeatedly.
Roasties X and Y hated him for fricking their friend Z and not fricking them. Or maybe they wanted to frick Z or something
Point is, made up rape accusations, Black person gets fired and apologizes because he's from California, eventually realizes that appeasement won't work, sues them, wins and literally no one learned their lesson because the next woman that makes up a rape accusation will still be believed unless the accused is someone the media want to cover for
>eventually realizes that appeasement won't work
I don't get this mentality. If you're innocent, how the frick would appeasement work? You're literally just destroying your career that way.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know and since you don't that means you're not from California or Seattle either.
Anyway, the other anon was right, I think he left Obsidian before the allegations. He was butting heads with the main guys there.
I think, and I could be wrong, that he and Sawyer basically didn't talk to each other during FNV's production
>Mainstream rpg devs abandon Codex once they hit mass appeal >Says Codex sucks >Always return during marketing a new game
Owlcat did this, Obsidian did this, Larian did this. Really makes you think.
>game is "pre-alpha" >has textures, lightning, particle effects, and animations
I love how the terms alpha and beta have just completely lost all meaning over the last two decades, all as a roundabout way of saying "we're going to continuing making improvements, stay tuned".
>Art designer work faster than the rest of the team
Could've just said that, they most probably spent months crafting the art meanwhile they were still in the idea process for the rest of the game, so now the game looks almost finished while it's got almost nothing of value around the graphics.
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>made by josh sawyer
ehhhh
I thought Sawyer had nothing to do with it
I wish
He makes the gams too complex so the hamplanets are in charge of gameplay
Alright, time to do the math, Ganker:
All those women are worth 2.5 persons in weight, yet are only worth 1/4th of a regular developer.
How many developers are in this image?
Trick question.
Women aren't real devs
bump
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my hotwife 🙂
It's her and the one with dyed red hair
Maybe the chubby blonde if you're in an architectural mood
>the chubby blonde
anon, I…
Don't you put that evil on me, anon
You know damn well who I meant
>the fricking gut on the dude with the stormtroop t
my sides
Imagine the smell
dodging sexual harassment accusations in a place like this must be it's own special puzzle
Would straight up larp as being asexual in that environment
>that image
how to guarantee your studio will never make a good game
F in the chat to obsidian
>made by josh sawyer
If it is that'd be good news, Outer Worlds was shit and would you look at that, Josh Sawyer had nothing to do with it.
Pentiment was actually fricking good, and that was the last thing Josh Sawyer did.
I forgot rpg codex is the home-based for launching vapid goyslop now.
I'm always passive interested what's happening there.
It's great that it causes so much seethe among redditors because it's still widely considered the best site for rpgs discussion where even devs acknowledge it even with all the "alt-right" politics
Even funnier considering how much they shit on Deadfire and Outer Worlds. Obsidian even tried breaking away from them at one point and it was a disaster since in the end, they are the primary audience of their somewhat niche games.
to be fair deadfire was not very good, never played outer worlds though.
>to be fair deadfire was not very good
Wrong and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise. It was much better than the first game in nearly every way and it sure as hell was better than T(y)ranny.
They still do. That dev posting there said him being there has a chance of getting him fired. I highly doubt Carrie, Josh, or Hanson would be caught dead there. Definitely not Feargus either.
>they are the primary audience of their somewhat niche games.
Makes you wonder why they ignored their own forums and everyone else in favor for some tiny gay discord server when they were making Deadfire.
Sawyer wouldn't get caught dead there because he's the type to consider the site full of "alt-right" types
I doubt obsidian would fire him, considering he's the reason they didn't went bankrupt
Not Josh the guy on the forum.
If Obsidian/Josh IS ever backed into a corner with the whole throwing-Chris-under-a-bus thing, you can be sure that zero mentions of the fake rapes will be mentioned, and the REAL reason they cut ties with him will be
>he posted on reactionary forums like RPG Codex!
I seriously doubt ANY load-bearing Obsidian dev is posting on Codex voluntarily
I mean, they hyped Black Geyser to hell and back solely to spite Pillars, only to turn out that the game was complete dogshit and was launched in an unfinished state, with many features missing, from companion quests, to strongholds, multi-classing, dual-wielding etc. The coping and seething was hilarious, only for the game to be forgotten not long after. Age of Decadence is in a similar position. Pure slop that people praise to spite the bigger studios.
That's more on the Geyser devs to be fair. Also don't forget that those devs disavowed (get it? ah ah ah) RPGCodex in favor of Rpgnet. The only "dev" we have on Codex that worked on the game is the devs ex-girlfriend who worked on marketing or something. Age of Decadence is pretty much played by everyone there so what more do you want from them?
I don't care about graphics, what was truly upsetting was that there's only two playable races
I just wanted to be a bigass Aumaua chad and crush stuff with a hammer, bros...Why must they persecute me so?
Wait really? Only 2 races in an Elder Scrolls ripoff? Are they absolutely moronic?
Elves and Humans only, apparently. Probably too lazy to accomodate different sizes for the PC races.
>No skeleton race
When will they learn...
>obshittian
>first person fantasy
LMAO DOGSHIT
I will die of old age before this releases then....
why would you show it off if the game isn't in alpha yet
because Microsoft forced them
Because if they dont. You all cry and complain that they dont show games
>isn't alpha yet
Isn't this releasing in 2024? How is it not in alpha yet?
>Game with completed animated models, levels, voice acting, music that's already completed
>Pre-Alpha
Different companies have different standards for what counts as Alpha or Beta
Yeah this is clear copespeak for "we read your comments on the trailer and are taking an extra year to retool the game".
Have you ever played an Obsidian game you ape, all their products are released in beta state at best
That's how it's been for a long time anon. What they call Pre-Alpha is really late-stage Beta
I lost interest when I learned that this shit was in pillars universe
That game sucked balls and I refuse to play anything associated with it
The watcher thing drew me in but the plotholes kept increasing as the acts progressed.
If it was Pillars 1-tier writing I'd be excited I know not everyone liked it but I loved it. Meanwhiles Pillars 2 was fricking Marvel Cinematic Universe quippy shit. Pity, because it was peak fun in RTwP and character building.
>Pillars 1-tier writing
Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
>Pillars 2 was fricking Marvel Cinematic Universe quippy shit
Just when I thought Obsidian’s writing couldn’t get any worse.
I would also like to thank Timmy for footing the bill for my copy of PoE.
>Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
Unfortunately true, yeah. BRObydon DLC was great and pre-Twin Elms was great. Man, I wish Pillars 2 had better writing, everything else about it is great. The class system is so good. Making a Crusader from Shieldbearer Paladin and Unbroken Fighter that has a million defensive and regen passives, a hyper glass cannon Seer that snaps in one hit but annihilates anything it touches, INT Barbarian who trained in the library, Muscle Wizard who pre-buffs more than a Baldur's Gate party and is literally untouchable.
>Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
Nah, that's where the story actually gets good and the final confrontation with Thaos is kino.
>Just when I thought Obsidian’s writing couldn’t get any worse.
I don't get the hate for it tbh. People say le marvel quips, but it's tame compared to Divinity, Wasteland, or Pathfinder in that regard. And I've yet to be given proper examples outside of that one letter you get from the pirate chick, which isn't even "marvel".
>Plot fell off when you got to Twin Elms.
Twin Elms was never meant to be a whole big city.
>Pillars 2 was fricking Marvel Cinematic Universe quippy shit
honestly is there a single modern western rpg that isn't like this
>honestly is there a single modern western rpg that isn't like this
I played some of the Rogue Trader beta and didn't see that crap yet.
Unironically Elder scrolls
Kingdom Cum
Tainted Grail
The Witcher
TES (apart from Sheograth stuff and crap like easter eggs)
Is ME too old?
Yeah, there isn't much if we're talking about modern RPGs from the West.
>Another forced brown female protagonist
Dropped.
>Racism
Um sweetie it's actually racist of Obsidian to not have diverse options.
both morons
How is paradox racist they're as pozzed as it gets
All white people are racist
dem yh pepo don spize de DNA
Wait, what does this have to do with Paradox games?
that's not the MC
Cope
brown people would require them to actually be diverse, woke people only speak in black and white
Annnd dropped
Pretty sure that's one of the companions. The MC was shown to be male. Also, you can literally choose your gender, so I have no idea what the hell you're whining about.
>Also, you can literally choose your gender
woah woah woah slow down there xister.... we do NOT refer to those constructs here, we have body type 1 and body type 2 for birthing purposes.
On "that" place someone actually used the reincarnation thing being real to say there's no gender in the Pillars world.
Remember when Josh Sawyer talked about how heterosexual couples are problematic and then Deadfire had bisexuals and gays whose relationships were built entirely on casual sex?
whats problematic about casual sex
Everything.
incel behavior.
I really appreciate Sawyer's work and you can honestly tell he's not a hack, but good God it's amazing how much of an obnoxious gay he is sometimes
Yeah, Sawyer put all that love into the setting itself, going for the full colonial look with the armor and feathered cap for your player character, and East India Trading Company vs locals and tribals was great atmosphere, marred by the annoying characters and wildly erratic writing.
It's impressive how gay he acts when he's in fact straight. He's responsible for one of Lowtax's divorces because Sawyer fricked his wife.
Where did he even say that? Also, he didn't want romance in Deadfire. That was a result of executive meddling.
>he didn't sacrifice Pallegina to the blood pool
Good fricking riddance, birdbitch. Funny thing is that I'm allied with her faction, but I'm glad to not have her around in DF anyway.
>longest we've had to alpha/beta
So what 6 weeks?
It really bothers me when even developers don't understand what a fricking alpha or beta is, save it marketing homosexuals
>isnt alpha yet
>releases gameplay trailer
>game releases in 2025
Lol, lmao
So what I'm gathering is they announced it too early and it's going to be a PS6 launch title.
>Hasn't even gone alpha yet
Does that mean the whole trailer was bullshots?
>"this is good news guys!"
Why do you have to say this
Can't people just tell if thing is good or bad
Almost like your trying to make up a narrative or something
It's trash. This is not the same Obsidian from 10+ years ago. No big company is. It's ghouls living in their corpse.
>No big company
I think the only one that has more or less maintained the same key people is Remedy
Isnt platinum games just expanded clover studio?
But I can't really think of anywhere else other than bioware pre-Anthem and arkane pre-dishonored 2.
>Isnt platinum games just expanded clover studio?
Yeah, with Mikami, Inaba, and Kamiya and whoever they brought with them. It also feels a lot like it. Sometimes I forget Bayonetta isn't published by Capcom.
>bioware pre-Anthem and arkane pre-dishonored 2.
I think Arkane yes, but Bioware's founders had already left a long time before that.
Bioware had a sorts ship of Theseus situation with talent leaking slowly more or less since the EA buy out.
Then, post Anthem is started leaking like cannonball hole
Feargus Urquhart is a hack
Valve still has plenty of old guard. and the new millenial/zoomer employees seethe about it because the old guard have bigger sway and force them to work on profitable things instead of ugly black woman walking simulators.
What avowed like? It looks like Skyrim there. I would like a comfy skyrimesque game
>I-It looks shit b-because it's pre-alpha
Holy frick did it really take them S E V E N days to crank out that excuse?
I will play it nonetheless. Outer Worlds was boring but Grounded to me was a pleasant surprise so these guys to me are still in the positive.
>haha dont worry it will look better we promise 😉
fricking hacks lmao
also it's directed by some roastie, basically dead on arrival
Apparently, the only other game she worked on was Outer Worlds
That was utter shit, so I'm not hopeful in the slightest.
It's amazing how much of a fricking meme diversity and representation is
We used to have female devs that were some of the best of the industry.
They got replaced by hackish nu-males carried by their coworkers and talentless diversity hires without single accomplishment to their name
Wasn't she fired from Naughty Dog by Cuckmann because she refused to change U4's script to pander to liberals?
No. Because she's happily pandered to liberals in her subsequent work at other companies. She wrote Forspoken. She got forced out of Naughty Dog just because she was in the way of someone with an ego and aspirations.
I see, nevermind then. It's a shame because Soul Reaver is excellent.
>She wrote Forspoken
she was only one of like six other writers for that game and did the worldbuilding, not the dialogue or characters etc
I don't know if that was the cause, but after years of lying about it, with ND saying they've "parted ways" a interview with Nolan North years ago confirmed she actually had been fired
Not really a stretch to know who was the responsible
kek didn't this woman write the plot in Forspoken? there's no way she was involved with anything major in the games on her resume. Probably took all the credit for everyone's else's work in Soul Reaver as well.
IIRC there were some accusations levied against her that most of the writing credit that went to her belongs to some of her team members. Not sure how true that is, but I also consider the plot of Soul Reaver to be a mess compared to the original, so yeah.
>kek didn't this woman write the plot in Forspoken?
I doubt anyone actually wrote Forspoken. It was full of meme production decisions like 6 writers, one of them Gary Whitta.
>there were some accusations levied against her that most of the writing credit that went to her belongs to some of her team members
I've never heard of that. Would surprise me because she worked on the franchise since the first game.
>but I also consider the plot of Soul Reaver to be a mess compared to the original
I love Blood Omen and Soul Reaver so much it's honestly hard to pick. But they're on the same level with different aims
>Would surprise me because she worked on the franchise since the first game.
Wasn't the writer for the first game some guy that got outed as a sex offender? Or am I mixing people up here?
Dennis Dyack?
I don't think so
I know he hated the gaming press and made great games so he's fricking awesome in my book
I wonder how much gay will they fit into this game.
Can't possibly be more than in poe2
I cant wait for Avowed to look as good as Obsidians previous AAA game.
this looks absolutely atrocious, who tf is their art director?
they ate him
I don't like how they've structured their trailer to be generic Marvel-like slop. It probably means the game will be generic Marvel-like slop.
Dibs on the one on the left
>we announced a game 5 years ahead of time and this is good because uhhhhh
frick off and stay quiet until 6 months from release maximum.
>muh alpha
Bullshit. It will release with minimal to no difference from what we saw and you all know it.
>Obsidian will release an unfinished game
No shit
Nah they can upgrade a lot. Just look at the statfield initial trailer and the most recent one. In that time they've added global illumination which makes everything look so much better.
This homie is comparing an Obsislop game to fricking Starfield
This "obsislop" game is being made in unreal engine 5, the most cutting edge game engine out there. Starfield is being made on a 20 year old engine. Whatever starfield can do visually, unreal engine can do and more.
>Implying Starfield isn't just Bethesdaslop
lmfao
Melee combat in first person view sucks
do xbox have any games coming out in the next few years? besides starfield
This game looks fricking amazing I legit can't wait to play it. Obsidian style of RPG combined with a fantasy setting is like a wet dream come true for me. I was more hyped for this than fable tbh. But fable still looks good. So did that steampunk RPG. Man us RPG Chad's are eating so well this year and next.
Imagine hating games so much you think someone being hyped for games is bait. Touch grass.
Is baiting by calling out bait the new bait-meta?
>mushrooms growing off creatures
pass
It could be cool if it's a species of sentient parasitic mushrooms that use their hosts to create a society of fungi and you eventually learn to communicate and understand them. Turns out they're intelligent they become a faction you can trade or dear with, or eradicate them through war.
>long beta period
Aka early access bullshit
>Reddit Atheism: The Setting
>By the people who made the Outer Worlds
Gonna be a pass from me
Sawyer has yet to lead a original universe project and make a good final product. Daily reminder that the only critically acclaimed and universally beloved occult classics of his are exclusively borrowed IP sequels: Knights of the Old Republic II and New Vegas. Avowed has a 80% chance of being a flop like the rest of the pseudo intellectual slop he has released. Sawyer does not have the imaginative bone in him to create a fun universe and characters, he has to play off of another man's ideas and add interesting POV to them.
What constitutes as a fun universe and characters? What makes something fun?
I'll use KotOR II and F:NV as examples. Both of these titles have prequels and franchises that are incredibly easy to get into, they flesh out the universes in comfortable and accessible way, where it's not pure exposition dumps, and the universes feel lived in and interesting, all the characters and dialogue is intriguing and the games never force you to head dive into millions of foreign concepts that are hard to stick to or remember. Other Sawyer slop focuses autistically on character builds, vague uninteresting dialogue options that are just not fun to choose, the worlds are full of intensive walls of foreign text and names and overbearing garbage from the get go, and there is absolutely no player worship. Majority of people play video games to feel fan service, they want to feel powerful, to feel important, to feel good, because video games are about fun. That's the core element of every video game, fan service. Sawyer does not understand this, he autistically makes european indie film equivalents of games that do not appeal to normal people who want to have fun.
>Both of these titles have prequels and franchises that are incredibly easy to get into, they flesh out the universes in comfortable and accessible way, where it's not pure exposition dumps, and the universes feel lived in and interesting, all the characters and dialogue is intriguing and the games never force you to head dive into millions of foreign concepts that are hard to stick to or remember
Kotor and NV have the benefit of being a part of much larger universe, and most people who play them are expected to know the fundamentals. The problem is that when introducing an entirely new setting with all these high concept you have to find a way to get the player up to speed otherwise they'd feel lost. I'll admit that Sawyer could have done it better, but the comparison is a bit unfair.
>and there is absolutely no player worship. Majority of people play video games to feel fan service, they want to feel powerful, to feel important, to feel good, because video games are about fun. That's the core element of every video game, fan service
Funny, because the entire trailer is just the characters talking about how awesome and cool the player is, and how he'll change the fate of the world and whatnot, which resulted in everyone complaining that you're getting sucked off too much. Seems like nobody can make up their mind on what they want out of a game.
I don't consider trailers as relevant introductions or overviews of games. I'll be positively surprised if it actually works out this way since then it has the chance of being as fun to play as FN:V. I will wait for the game to release and look at some gameplay VODs, and if it propers actual fun fan service I will most likely purchase it. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for Sawyer but I highly doubt it.
To be honest, I'm kinda tired of being the center of the universe. I much rather be just some random adventurer than the almighty chosen savior of the universe with a royal harem. But that's just me.
>Hopefully this will be a wake up call for Sawyer but I highly doubt it.
He's not involved
I pretty much exclusively play video games for fun interactivity and mixmatch of other medium all in one, since I have yet to meet one that matches other mediums in story telling or thought provoking digestive written matter. But I can understand why some people might have a different perspective, I'm just talking from my POV why I don't think Sawyer is a good dev/team leader. Is he really not working at Avowed? So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
>Is he really not working at Avowed? So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
He did say he longer wanted to work on big games and would much rather focus on smaller passion projects.
>So he just spent his time on the indie slop they released a bit back?
Pentiment was good, get why you wouldn't play it if history wasn't your thing, but it was absolutely a great game.
>the almighty chosen savior of the universe with a royal harem.
I'm a bit torn on it
Because player worship is always half assed. I want either to be a small cog with my own group moving in an interesting world or I want to move and shake the world as I pass
The vast majority of games land smack in the middle, where they sorta suck your dick, but not well
Like, when was the last time they actually have a harem?
Skyrim is a good example. You inexplicably becomes leader of every faction, and are also the prophesied hero to save the world yet guards still whine at you
You snowBlack person. I'm a god of your pantheon. My coming was foretold, my presence a sign of the twilight of all things.
I should be in a palace in a mountain with all of your women and mead
>Skyrim is a good example. You inexplicably becomes leader of every faction, and are also the prophesied hero to save the world yet guards still whine at you
That's a thing people complained about. It's way too easy to become powerful and influential in a short span of time, which makes it feel undeserved. A lot of WRPGs have this problem where they give the player too much power too early and it makes the journey feel cheap. It's why I've become so anti-player worship and much prefer being some literally who adventurer or mercenary traveling through the land, getting involved in small conflicts and moving on.
>being some literally who adventurer or mercenary traveling through the land, getting involved in small conflicts and moving on.
The Witcher games (and the books too actually) work phenomenally more when Geralt is just an observer/outsider type caught in someone else's story.
There are reasons pic related is such a fantastic expansion and one of them it's how is a complete story Geralt experiences much the same way the player does.
Either suck my dick properly or don't.
I remember Amalur had proper dick sucking. Everyone who knew what you were was in awe of your sheer existence
While the main plot of TW3 is a mess, the expansions, or at least the first one was pretty good and had a much smaller scale story. Geralt as a whole is a cool character because he's close with the chosen one. Nobody gives a shit about him and the only reason important figures pursue him is because of his connection to Ciri. Otherwise he's nobody. A freak that might as well not exist.
Eh, it's more of a mixed bag. You're not THE chosen one like Ciri is but it's not like the MC is some random shmuck. Also, that DLC has you outsmart an actual demon/devil who keeps fricking with everybody just for the lols. And hot chicks keep jumping on Geraldo's dick in every book or game. There's a reason this franchise is mostly popular with teenage boys.
>MC is some random shmuck.
Nobody wants to play as an actual random schmuck. Unless you're going dor EuroTruck simulator. Geralt is a professional monster hunter that's good at his job.
His dalliances with important people and monumental events come and go, but like I said, the reason the expansion is so good it's because it's mostly removed from that.
>Also, that DLC has you outsmart an actual demon/devil who keeps fricking with everybody
Gee, almost like that's a fairy tale trope or something.
>There's a reason this franchise is mostly popular with teenage boys.
It's one of the best selling videogames of all time. Videogames are for teenage boys.
>Nobody wants to play as an actual random schmuck.
That's just not true but, regardless, don't say those games don't suck the players dick. Unless you meant tto say they do it properly.
>Gee, almost like that's a fairy tale trope or something.
That's irrelevant. Gary Stu still prevails in the end.
>It's one of the best selling videogames of all time. Videogames are for teenage boys.
I meant the books, my bad.
>That's just not true
It is. Here, this is the game, you're guard in a small town, bandits invade it and kill you. That's the game as a random schmuck.
>don't say those games don't suck the players dick.
What games?
>That's irrelevant. Gary Stu still prevails in the end.
What are you talking about? You don't even need to best him. Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
>I meant the books, my bad.
I mean, it should be popular on the same demographics as ASoIaF. But I don't think anyone ever did an analysis
>You don't even need to best him. Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
Nta, but Gollum is a deformed moron. It doesn't take a genius to beat him. A more apt comparison would be if Bilbo beat Sauron in riddles.
Yeah, and Oedipus outsmarts the Sphinx. Hermes tricks Argos; Ulysses tricks Polyphemus; Johnny plays harder than the Devil. If someone using guile to beat the monster is a Mary Sue then hard to think anyone that isn't
>Or perhaps you could repel
You can't, they're better armed and better trained. You died, like many random schmucks do.
>The Witcher games.
When did I say they don't your dick?
>Yeah, a deranged schizo hobo
Did you people even read the Hobbit? Do you think Bilbo can take Smeagol in a fight? Do you think it was Mary Sueish when Smaug didn't immediately burned him? We're talking about one of the oldest tropes in existence
>Oedipus, Hermes, Ulysses
All are renowned for their cunning and wit. Geralt is not, at least not to such degree as those three. He's much bigger on intimidation than wit unless you count preparing an oil or a potion wit.
>Sphinx, Argos, Polyphemus
None of those are the devil. Once again with those dishonest comparisons.
>When did I say they don't your dick?
I asked about that earlier and you ignored me so I assumed you're arguing the opposite.
>Do you think it was Mary Sueish when Smaug didn't immediately burned him?
Bilbo was using a magical ring forged by devil junior. He's excused. Also, I don't recall Bilbo slicing and dicing his way through the Middle-Earth while also fricking all the women so, again, with inaccurate comparisons. It's like your 4th one now.
>Geralt is not
He is though. That's his job. W3 being easy has given people the impression that he can just show up and swing his sword once and solve the problem but the whole deal of being a witcher is preparation and cunning. You can't beat a monster through brute strength. Plus, people comment in him being a smartass all the time.
>None of those are the devil
Gaunter O'Dimm isn't the devil either.
>Once again with those dishonest comparisons
Only if you miss the forest for the trees.
>I asked about that earlier and you ignored me
No, I even asked what were you talking about
>Bilbo was using a magical ring forged by devil junior
Smaug could smell him and the dwarves and the ponies. The Ring doesn't make you fireproof or magically convincing.
At least it wouldn't a Hobbit.
>I don't recall Bilbo slicing and dicing his way through the Middle-Earth while also fricking all the women
The expansion starts with Geralt being captured and only getting freed because of O'Dimm. The only woman he fricks is a an ex-girl he couldn't make it work in the past.
>again, with inaccurate comparisons
They're gonna be all very inaccurate since you haven't played the expansion Or read any of those stories
Ok, since this is turning into a literal kiddie "debate" a la
>No no no no, I didn't say that, you did!
I'm gonna be wrapping this up.
>Smaug could smell him and the dwarves and the ponies. The Ring doesn't make you fireproof or magically convincing.
Correct, and he's still going after Bilbo, even when he's invisible.
>The expansion starts with Geralt being captured and only getting freed because of O'Dimm.
Doesn't really matter - a couple of setbacks doesn't mean he's not a Gary Stu. It doesn't mean you come out on top of every single situation or encounter. Rey is a big one and she still fails sometimes.
>They're gonna be all very inaccurate since you haven't played the expansion Or read any of those stories
Black, you're out here comparing ancient demon masterminds to schizo hobbits or monsters. Then you're acting all pissy about it when someone points this crap out. It'd be easier to just accept Geralt is a Gary Stu (both in-game and books), you'd definitely save some dignity this way.
>since this is turning into a literal kiddie "debate"
Then stop doing it.
>Correct, and he's still going after Bilbo
Why couldn't he succeed? It's a small hobbit and a dragon powerful enough to destroy a kingdom? How's that not Mary Sueish? How is that shepherd Oedipus beat the monster that the cleverest men of Thebes couldn't? How come Odysseus could enrage the God of the Seas and still return home to his kingdom?
>It doesn't mean you come out on top of every single situation
Lmao, "succeeding=gary stu". Okay then.
>Black, you're out here comparing ancient demon masterminds to schizo hobbits or monsters
Polyphemus is literally the son of one the three major gods of the Greeks.
The Sphinx alone held the kingdom of Thebes hostage. You're desperately creating a separation that doesn't exist.
> you're acting all pissy about it when someone points this crap out.
Lol, your throwing a hissy fit over being called out by how dumb your argumentation is.
>to just accept Geralt is a Gary Stu
Black person I don't give a frick if you consider Geralt a mary stu or not. Specially a moron like you who's could only recall Star Wars as a point of comparison.
He likely is, as are most, if not all RPG protagonists. The problem is you act like he's a Mary sue on the expansion, when he's basically an observer there.
Most of his actions there rely on others or just discovery and talk rather than fight. He doesn't frick a boat load of women of get a happy ending by his will alone.
Your only point about how he's a mary stu expansion is that he tricked the devil, an old as all frick story element that has shown up fricking everywhere
>Why couldn't he succeed?
Because he doesn't have a radar and just woke up. It's very simple.
>Polyphemus is literally the son of one the three major gods of the Greeks.
Comparing Greek mythos to this situation in The Witcher is, once again, inaccurate because every 3rd character is an offspring of a god. Geraldo is just a Gary Stu and not someone who's known for his outstanding wit or cunning.
>Lol, your throwing a hissy fit over being called out by how dumb your argumentation is.
And this comes from a person using vague proverbs inaccurately as a response to people calling out his silly arguments? Who in their right mind would compare Gollum to an actual, ancient demon?
>Specially a moron like you who's could only recall Star Wars as a point of comparison
Ah, so now we're at "t-t-this doesn't matter because X". Good to know, dude.
Johnny did play harder than the devil tho bro
Tbh, I thought the Devil went harder
Although he had that whole chorus accompanying him, so I dunno
>Here, this is the game, you're guard in a small town, bandits invade it and kill you.
Sure, it could go that way. Or perhaps you could repel them because guards aren't just drunked idiots and the story would unravel a bit? There's a difference between a trained guard or a warrior and a super-special handsome brooding hero who's getting seduced every 10 minutes.
>What games?
The Witcher games.
>What are you talking about? You don't even need to best him.
Geralt can outsmart literal devil = the game's sucking (You) off and he's Gary Stu. Simple.
>Imagine thinking Bilbo is a Gary Stue because he beat Gollum at riddles.
Yeah, a deranged schizo hobo totally equals a devil. Come on, anon.
NTA, but Geralt is absolutely not just some random hobo. He's by far one of the strongest witchers by the feats he has accomplished in the books and games. He goes toe to toe with the strongest entities in the books/games, and jobbs only to the most powerful mage in the universe and the entity that is meant to be an allegory of a Devil/God. There is no reason for you to think at any point in the story that Geralt is a weakling hobo, from the very first book he's established as an incredibly powerful swordsman and a very capable witcher.
>NTA, but Geralt is absolutely not just some random hobo.
>from the very first book he's established as an incredibly powerful swordsman and a very capable witcher.
Yes, I agree. I was arguing the games (and the books too) go rather ham on the powerwank and sucking the player off.
>Sawyer does not understand this, he autistically makes european indie film equivalents of games that do not appeal to normal people who want to have fun.
So his games are not normie friendly? Kinda based ngl.
Playing games to have fun doesn't equal a normie attitude.
Sawyer didn't work on Kotor 2, anon
Also, Alpha Protocol was good, with problems
I was under the impression that he was involved with K2, my bad then. I guess the only good game he has made is F:NV, interesting. I think Alpha Protocol was... fun? But it lacked any substance outside of the cartoonishly fun dialogue/character choice. I don't think the overarching story, worldbuilding, or gameplay were well done at all.
Honestly I'm fine with that overall, though I can see how a creative would grow restless in those confines. Some writers do best riffing off of others, adding a few key ideas and taking things in interesting directions. As long as there's respect for what came before, it has a lot of potential and Obsidian showed that repeatedly.
I don't even know what the complaints were?
Oh great. Now gays everywhere are gonna b***h about Gankerdex again.
>game is clearly 99% done
>UMM IT'S JUST ALPHA, CHUDS, WE'LL FIX IT!
Of all places to make your character why in the frick would they pick Aedyr?
Sucks that Obsidian is shit now, but oh well they deserve it for firing Avellone
At least they still let Sawyer do his own thing
Didn't he leave of his own volition?
hahahaha frick no
So what's the story behind his departure?
read his rpgcodex posts
basically he was bullied out of Obsidian because he didn't see eye to eye with his bosses
Didn't the use his dying mom as a way to get him to sign that agreement where he can never work for games again? Non compete disclosure or something.
oh it's worse than that
Roasties X and Y hated him for fricking their friend Z and not fricking them. Or maybe they wanted to frick Z or something
Point is, made up rape accusations, Black person gets fired and apologizes because he's from California, eventually realizes that appeasement won't work, sues them, wins and literally no one learned their lesson because the next woman that makes up a rape accusation will still be believed unless the accused is someone the media want to cover for
>eventually realizes that appeasement won't work
I don't get this mentality. If you're innocent, how the frick would appeasement work? You're literally just destroying your career that way.
I don't know and since you don't that means you're not from California or Seattle either.
Anyway, the other anon was right, I think he left Obsidian before the allegations. He was butting heads with the main guys there.
I think, and I could be wrong, that he and Sawyer basically didn't talk to each other during FNV's production
>Mainstream rpg devs abandon Codex once they hit mass appeal
>Says Codex sucks
>Always return during marketing a new game
Owlcat did this, Obsidian did this, Larian did this. Really makes you think.
they do it here too. who cares?
>game is "pre-alpha"
>has textures, lightning, particle effects, and animations
I love how the terms alpha and beta have just completely lost all meaning over the last two decades, all as a roundabout way of saying "we're going to continuing making improvements, stay tuned".
>Art designer work faster than the rest of the team
Could've just said that, they most probably spent months crafting the art meanwhile they were still in the idea process for the rest of the game, so now the game looks almost finished while it's got almost nothing of value around the graphics.
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Those growths on that bear are fricking disgusting and I love it. Reminds me of a hallucination I had when I was having DTs
All I'm hearing is damage control.
PoE proved that they can't make good games on their own.
PoE was good. Without Sawyer the series is nothing.