this. Since the character creator allows you to make white males, no one in current year will play it.
You know what I hear way more than "I'm not being represented"? >Woke agenDA sTrikES BECAuSe oF ~~*~~*~~*tHeM*~~*~~)) and tHe frickING ~~*~~*SJwS*~~*~~ RuINinG ALL MY viDYa Games :'( wHiTEs aRe tHE MOST pErsecuted peOplE THAt hAvE ever EXISteD
Fricking snowflakes I swear
#inclusivity yeah go shove a dildo up your ass homosexual no one gives a frick about that gay shit, and this is coming from a troony there is nothing to be prideful about being a Black person or liking wiener in your ass and game developer shouldnt be forced to shill gays or Black folk what the frick is wrong with your fricking melted israeliteopd brains
I love havin a Black if its an egyptian or zulu or witch doctor or barbarian character, same thing with asian monks and samurais its when they swap something like a paladin outside of diablo that it gets to me
t. chudite
>You know what I hear way more than "I'm not being represented"?
I'd be fine with your shitty ideology spouting words words words in comic strips, but the fricking lies, my word.
>more than "I'm not being represented"?
because there's nothing to complain about there, they will cater to whoever complains about 'not being represented'
I don't care about extra options being on character selection, and I know you know that already but it's just an easy strawman. I just don't want to buy games where overall quality wasn't the focus, and for most games where they do their best to cater to all the (potential) loud complaining voices, the quality just isn't there. Seemingly because it's more of an afterthought lately.
what do snowflakes have to do with anything here anyway? a "snowflake" is someone who likes to make excuses due to how unique they are. they're special snowflakes. haven't you heard that phrase that every snowflake is unique? if anything wanting more granularity in a character creator would be more of a "snowflake" complaint
>what do snowflakes have to do with anything here anyway?
I think the insult in that term, lies in the implied fragility, not the uniqueness. Although both meanings are used interchangeably, but in this context he's clearly calling you out for being a sensitive pearl clutching person offended over the slightest (perceived) attack on their values, not some devianart poetry-writing neon-haired quirky not-like-the-others person. And considering hundreds of shit threads have been created in response to White Male Human Tav, it's hard to disagree.
>by the same moron
It's not particularly relevant. You can see the backlash in this very thread. Why are you calling us out? Are you a shill? Of course we should be able to hate a not yet released game for its woke and sjw sensibilities. It's outrageous. It's unfair.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Why are you calling us out? >us
Oh, it's the discord troon brigade. I see.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You have some issues with detecting sarcasm in written text and it makes responding to you an unsatisfying experience. My last pity (You)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well to detect sarcasm you have to read the whole post. Which i didn't do. My fail.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's right. You're full of shit since the game is one of the least woke games to come out in the last 5 years.
>or being a sensitive pearl clutching person offended over the slightest (perceived) attack on their values,
you must have not actually read my post then? idc about any of that, I just want good games.
i know the meaning of 'snowflake' has become twisted, but during the 2016 election the right did use it to mean a reference to uniqueness
You can want good games and not particularly care about the inclusion of non-binary genderfluid beard-having female dwarfs as an option during character creation. I'm not an Americ**t so maybe I just don't get this need to polarize any discussion and having to pick a side. If there is actual cringy woke shit shoved into the writing of the game itself, Larian absolutely deserves to be roasted as Beamdog was for BG2EE, otherwise I don't see why should anyone give a shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i said in *both* of my posts that I don't care about " the inclusion of non-binary genderfluid beard-having female dwarfs as an option during character creation" but you find it convenient to ignore that
11 months ago
Anonymous
Right, but how do you infer from that that it was somehow a very important topic that came up during development, or that Larian's bent on appeasing any vocal and obnoxious minority group? How does adding one more "snowflake" option during character creation inform you on their general design philosophy?
11 months ago
Anonymous
making good games takes a lot of focus, and it's clear that the focus has been taken off of quality to appeal to the loudest low hanging fruit. I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is. this probably bears repeating for you:
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
it's similar to the discussion on difficulty modes for souls games. you could argue up and down that they 'should' be able to make the same game but just add some mode where the enemies have 25% HP or something, but clearly the devs would want to make sure all modes are interesting to play, so it wouldn't be just that easy. elden ring was good because the devs put all their focus into the one mode the game has
again, i'll repeat
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I just want good games. I'm not even upset if all games suck anyway; I don't really need to play games, I've played plenty of them. Just not gonna buy bad ones.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're comparing gameplay needing to remain interesting at multiple levels of difficulty, which yes requires planning and some actual design thought, with a drop-down "I want to be a gay non-binary Gimli" option in character creation which took what, 20 seconds to change in the code? Yes, you do not care about that. Then what to you care about, and can you show an egregious example present in the EA?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I just know that games have lost good writing, good story development, difficult but fun and satisfying combat, etc. It's not that they couldn't, it's just become a clear that whoever is directing these games figures those elements are just a shoe-in that they can easily implement, and what people *really* care about is that the character creator includes them or whoever they want to be, that the story doesn't contain 'toxic' tropes, that the graphics are impressive, etc. so that's what they focus on.
if they can do all that while making the story and mechanics good, I don't mind. But that's not what is happening.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you just endlessly going to deflect, is that your thing? Do you get off on that? The EA has provided 20 hours or so of content, why not point out something in there that bothered you? How are you still speaking in hypotheticals and projections when you should by now have a pretty good idea of the design philosophy?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure what you're saying I'm deflecting. I haven't even played baldurs gate 3, though I might once it is actually released. None of my posts were about BG, it was a response to this post:
[...]
You know what I hear way more than "I'm not being represented"? >Woke agenDA sTrikES BECAuSe oF ~~*~~*~~*tHeM*~~*~~)) and tHe frickING ~~*~~*SJwS*~~*~~ RuINinG ALL MY viDYa Games :'( wHiTEs aRe tHE MOST pErsecuted peOplE THAt hAvE ever EXISteD
Fricking snowflakes I swear
which is about games in general
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you're some kind of prophet, you've seen it happen in other games, so this must be the case here too. Well nobody can reasonably argue with someone who hasn't even played the game, and that's precisely where you want to be. Good for you I guess
11 months ago
Anonymous
well maybe if you could point out where I said BG3 is definitely going to be bad you might have some kind of point. You asked me what I care about in games if not the character creation menu. I told you. What's the issue? I was responding to someone, and yourself, who implied that anyone who has concerns about where the focus of the game industry is just has some issue seeing options present in the character creation process, which is not the case.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What's the issue?
It's not particularly interesting or on-topic. And so, if you'll excuse me, I have places to go now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
classic
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, they are overseen by WotC, probably the most woke tabletop corporation on the planet right now. I would be surprised if the game isn't woke as all frick at release.
>Woke agenDA sTrikES BECAuSe oF ~~*~~*~~*tHeM*~~*~~)) and tHe frickING ~~*~~*SJwS*~~*~~ RuINinG ALL MY viDYa Games :'( wHiTEs aRe tHE MOST pErsecuted peOplE THAt hAvE ever EXISteD
absolutely seething
You come to the one place with those opinions, the rest of the internet it's the opposite then you complain like a literal fricking moron typing words like a moronic woman with bipolar(good chance you are)
It's not bait, you are just a fricking idiot but here's the (you) please take it, it's all you have in your short miserable life
I'll bite the bait.
How much affirmative action is there for whites?
What happens when you say white power as to compared to black power?
How many africans invaded Europe to leech off the welfare systems as compared to the other way around over the past decades?
this but unironically
a light hearted joke about gamers going the default route by an almost entirely white european company and you homosexuals STILL seethe about it 3 years on
Not even Black folk asking for reparations are this disgustingly fragile
>Not even Black folk asking for reparations are this disgustingly fragile
civil war ended slavery in 1865
it's 2023
3 years <<<< 158 years
nice try chud
come back when you get a calculator
>an unnecessary remake of a perfectly finished franchise that ended 20 years ago >full of inane, uninteresting dickwads without any redeeming virtue >reddit wacky writing *bops nose* >devs menstruating hard about muh diversity, just make a horned tiefling black woman bigot!!
If was garbage shat by garbage from the beginning.
>remake
Not a remake >franchise that ended 20 years ago
It is DnD you can tell infinite stories if you want, Baldurs Gate is a city in the DnD world, just like NWN and IWD.
And yet, they are going out of their make to make it a sequel to BG2. A series that ended 20 years ago.
If it was a spin-off game, called let's say, Baldur's Gate: The Adventures Of Some Very Obnoxious People it'll be fine. But nope, it's an unnecessary sequel.
Larian don't know anything about the game they're making. You can tell because they thought putting a big, distracting, timewasting city in a crpg was a good idea. To say nothing of the mocap sex.
The city in classic BG frickin sucked for playing through. Clausterphobic mess with a full party. Cool designs and interesting encounters but its a shock to the system in BG1 after youve been on the road adventuring in open spaces.
>But original sin had great cities.
What?
It was one of the worst attempts at creating the city I can think of. It felt so... gamey. In general D:OS games are probably the worst when it comes to immersion, because of how Larian designs the world. Everything is static, there is no day/night cycle, NPCs keep spouting the same lines over and over again, there is no city ambience, everything's too close to each other. BG1/2 did it so much better 20 years ago.
You didn't play bg 1 or 2.
The city was a liminal space that did nothing but consume time spent traversing it.
Everything crucial to the game; exposition and character advancement, took place in subcontained dungeons like the iron throne, the planar sphere, the copper coronets backrooms, or the sewers.
Cities in crpgs are a nuiscance.
>The city was a liminal space that did nothing but consume time spent traversing it.
It had tons of neat secrets. Quests with rewards that could boost you. And lots and lots of stuff to steal.
Wasted game areas. This is yet another reason why icewind dale fricked on bg. It had the proper gauntlet of death format.
It's called DUNGEONS and DRAGONS not CITIES and MOOKS.
This is a computer rpg dimnuts, it is a strategy game with vestigial roleplay elements. There's no dm to cooperate with to tell a unique story. It's a virtual meat grinder.
I bet women are responsible for this atrocity against crpgs. Gygax was always right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like a huge wiener gurgling homosexual with shit taste.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Takes one to know one you titanic schlong huffing fruitcake of questionable predilections.
But the cities were great to prepare for or retool after or before dungeons.
They are in no way whatsoever incompatible. Kind of weird how you're treating them like they kind of are.
>early access hell for half a decade >wokeshit >somehow manages to make D&D mechanics even more boring >devs hostile to players that aren't in the woke cult
Ganker will probably end up liking it anyway outside of a couple autists who post the same five shitposts in every single thread while everyone else is just talking about the game
I hate how modern crpgs are filled with quips. I get that they are trying to go for the wacky DnD adventure with horny nerds type, but it’s just annoying that there isn’t one serious deadpan character in any Larian video game.
>search this game on youtube >The first video is a guy who is non-stop shilling this game for over a year >the only news from yesterday on the official channel is about muh city have people in it and a garbage animation
they should hire smarter shills for this game. There are at least 4-5 subhumans defending this garbage for free in each thread and i can tell they are not fans or they played the old games.
>shitpost free threads
Highly unlikely. The shitposters are mentally ill. The only difference is that there will be more positive voices playing the game so the shitposters would be drowned in a sea of comments actually playing the game and enjoying it.
>almost same content and the numbers of posters don't go up
at least change the IP gays or the script
I hate that half of this game is just going to be "hey guys remember bg 1 and 2?"
Frick minsc.
because Larian can't make good games, that's why the first chapter is just bait. The morons who are shilling this game for free never played the first 2, also they are starving for CRPG, nothing on the market right now, Rogue trader is at least a year away.
there's a lot of us who just want more 5e dnd games. Right now there's only Solasta, a more long form campaign would be good for a lot of those people looking for it
>there's a lot of us who just want more 5e dnd games
yeah, that's why those type of games barely sell anything, Wotr barely sold 1 million, that's fricking nothing, this game will sell 2-3 mill and because graphic and marketing and nobody will remember a year later.
Only people who played the game would understand.
>mutt, Black, annoying gay vampire, a prostitute and a annoying sorcerer
they can't make good companions anymore, i mean is Larian who can't write even if you would put a gun at their heads.
>mutt, Black, annoying gay vampire, a prostitute and a annoying sorcerer
If these are your actual problems with the companions you will never be satisfied with anything and you are just hating for the sake of it or to be cool.
I dislike them for different reasons.
Wotr is not a 5e dnd game
And also 1 million is good for a crpg with below average graphics made trough kickstarter using unity.
It's in fact pretty fricking good all things considered.
Solasta has decent combat but is otherwise full of kindergarten tier exposition and has dialogue and prompts written by schizophrenics who have never interacted with other humans
Not to mention that one voice actor who's clearly drunk
>shitpost free threads
Highly unlikely. The shitposters are mentally ill. The only difference is that there will be more positive voices playing the game so the shitposters would be drowned in a sea of comments actually playing the game and enjoying it.
Larian has journalists in their pockets. They won't let this game to flop. It's going to be TLOU2 all over again, with astroturfing going up the wazoo.
I disagree. Most people I've seen who are aware of BG3 are either neutral or positive towards it. The only real negativity I see is from deranged shitposters
I'm a BG1/2 fan, played and beaten both multiple times and on original release dates (had to borrow someone else's CDs to install the first game/expansion, though).
I'm looking forward to BG3 very much.
But I'm also a D&D fan, so that might be the difference. It seems that people who are strictly BG1/2 fans but are not D&D fans are not happy with BG3
I am a D&D fan too, but I am also very concerned about WotC's involvement, because between lore retcons, woke agendas, predatory practices and being overall a bunch of frickups that send armed goons to their own customer's houses, I am not trusting them at all to treat the franchise with respect.
And Larian is Larian. Their games are... acquired taste. You either love them or you don't. For me, they are too gimmicky, full of badly written, chucklefricky humour. So forgive me if I'm not particularly excited for not being particularly excited for BG3, that is shaping up to be another D:OS game,and boy, I didn't have fun with those.
I actually had more fun with Rogue Trader beta, despite being rough as frick, than with BH3 EA, because at least in RT I didn't feel the urge to murder my companions. And it's 40k we are talking about.
As a man of taste, I think this is cringe.
But, its somewhat necessary. Most of the marketing so far has been really poor, being totally confusing to anyone who hasn't played the game.
Maybe this cringy animation will bring in the 5e animation tumblr tuber gays. Its a step up from an advertisement standpoint
>I think this is cringe
You have not a singe drop of humor in you sir. I laughed my ass off when watching it since this is how some people played the early access. >dying to a frog >using oil barrels to dose the ground and blow up everything >getting butchered by the hag >killing everything in sight to farm levels
Well I found many jokes in the EA funny. I think I just didn't like the artstyle, like I said reminded me too much of tumblr animations and it doesn't really fit the game.
Voice acting and music, of course, were top notch as always. Very excited to hear the full soundtrack!
>The number of posters remain the same, 50
come on lads, why are we talking, we are talking with bots and shills after all, waste of time
like this gay, who write like that after watching that cringe animation?
I've been playing Larian games for ages now so maybe i just have an aquired taste for their humor now.
Enjoy your threads where 90% of the people talk about their waifus
So far: >Frog vs. Shadowheart >Tiefling waifus >some anon was even drooling over Kagha >drow waifu gays >goblin waifu gays
The waifu threads will be a huge mess.
>they have dragged ass for so long
in what capacity? they were pretty clear of around when it would release when they initially announced it and put out the early access
they have consistently added classes to the early access as they were developed and talked about not wanting every class and spec in the EA and their progress on its development
literally every western made game in the past 15 years. They just following industry norm. Why wouldn't they? Free QA work. Personally i will pirate the game in a year
Black folk queers mindflayers are fricking disgusting bad writing writers who watch anime and marvel movies arrogant writers writers who would find dragonlance ridiculous but loved game of thrones the tv show, an ugly rote meander through the magical realm of social media dwelling homosexual men and fat nonbinary polyamorous females who daydream about how cool their OCs are
>seamless city >extreme chance of exploring every building like every OS1/2 game and currently you can in BG3 early access areas >that zoomed in camera and improved animations
Its about to have the best city in a video game
This is actually a valid criticism of a missed opportunity. But we've known this for a while, what's with the tadpole conveniently handwaving the gay vampire's weakness or drow sunlight sensitivity.
It's a magical plot tadpole. It does everything the plot wants it to do. Why? Frick you, Netheril magic. What does that have to do with anything? Frick you, Larian writing.
This.
I swear 99% of people play these games like an autistic speedrunner, speedreading dialog and sprinting off randomly instead of doing shit together.
Why is everyone such an adhd moron these days?
The shitty part of playing with friends is now they don't just read a dialog box. They sync to the cutscene/animations which makes it take longer than OS1/2. That is what I am worried about doing co-op
>Playing with some randoms online >Drow player runs off and joins the goblins while the rest of us are still in the druid camp >Goblin attack begins and druids all go hostile on us while he is attacking the walls with his goblin allies, we all die
>Playing with Dwarf named Kagren Elf-Hater >He honest to god kills every single elf we come across, including constantly pushing our elf player off ledges or throwing things at them in the middle of combat
>Playing with some randoms online >Drow player runs off and joins the goblins while the rest of us are still in the druid camp >Goblin attack begins and druids all go hostile on us while he is attacking the walls with his goblin allies, we all die
>turn-based >I didn't like DIVOSes >dragonz & mind flayers from lvl 1? >weird lore retcons >what does it have to do with baldur's gate again? other than being set in FR >NPCs look rather boring >bland artstyle, mobile phone looking nu-design interface
I'm gonna pirate and buy if it's actually good, but I don't have high expectations
BG3 threads are full of these neanderthals complaining about a game that is going to be a massive success. Hell, its probably going to be my personal top3 rpg's of all time.
>BG3 threads are full of these neanderthals complaining about a game that is going to be a massive success
if BG3 is success then video games are dead not worth wasting time and money instead become a politician and drive wokeness away in every aspect of life
To people that have played it - can you do crazy character build customisation like pathfinder or is it dogshit linear stuff like divinity? I can't remember what bg progress was like
So what do u get on warriors when you level? I take it spellcasting classes you just choose new t1 t2 t3 spells etc. Are there passives (feats or whatever they were called) as well? I just want anything but divity, that shit was shallow as frick
https://5e.tools/classes.html#fighter_phb
Depends on the subclasses that make it into the final game and then nuances with implementation.
For the longest time larian refused to make reactions or interrupts a part of the game, and stuff like battlemaster's precision attack was a toggle on your next attack action. Eugh. Glad they saw reason to fix that before paladin got in and they would have had to make divine smite a frickin toggle.
But assassin is great in Pathfinder. What are you on about? At least as a sub class option.
You can even outright go Arcane Trickster. Optimizing spell based sneak attacks is wonderful.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's actually not. The op part of AT is hitting touch ac with rays and feats like point blank shot and weapon focus: ray.
And in wotr you suddenly get bolster spell which is just sneak attack but better and lower investment.
Rogues in general aren't very good just because they run on 3/4 bab and don't get buffs to put themselves back up a full bab equivalent like a cleric casting divine power.
And then rogue isn't very good in dnd either because sneak attack has a 1/ turn limit.
Rogues suck has been a mantra for a while now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Assassin blows ass in WOTR because everything is immune to poison
So what you're saying is. They're great, but WotR ruined them?
I never played WotR.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's not that wotr itself ruined it, it's more that wotr is a game about demons, that in tabletop are immune to poison damage.
So assassin is shit because of the setting and tabletop rules applied.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Assassin blows ass in WOTR because everything is immune to poison
No way you can actually subclass all of these, I refuse to believe Larian can do that much depth even if its copy paste from a ruleset. In the beta for BG3 you could choose 6-10 subclases per class?
I think the only RPGs with equally unlikeable companions are Deadfire and DA:I, although I would say even then BG3 has them beat, because at least DA:I has Varric.
the only companion i've ever wanted to kill was lae'zel honestly, the rest are fine with me
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think Shadowheart is the least bad and I still want to punch her for being an emo edgelord. Which developer's 14-year-old daughter wrote that character?
I incidentally love that line where she whines about needing to find a healer... while being a healer herself. Larian writing at its finest.
11 months ago
Anonymous
she's a cleric, not a miracle worker who can take out tadpoles
it's different
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think the healer is going to help us anyway with this tadpole, so what is her point in the first place?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your character doesn't know that, at first. Shadowheart doesn't know that, at first. Searching for a higher level cleric/druid that could help with a tadpole removal seems like a decent plan, at first.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I incidentally love that line where she whines about needing to find a healer... while being a healer herself.
There's no way your understanding of the plot is so abysmal that you think this is a contradiction.
What's wrong with Bae'zel? I find her endearing in her almost autistic-like desire to prove she's STRONG and NOT insecure and a GREAT WARRIOR of her culture.
take your own advice gay, what kind of normal person will like those companions? redditors or discord morons don't count, now get this (you) and have a nice day with it
I find them all likeable once you get to know them, even Astarion (albeit when playing as an evil c**t).
Their first impressions are a weak point, I have to agree, though Shadowheart is a lot more pleasant if you rescue her.
I've got a bad feeling about this one. Three years in early access when it was supposed to be one. All the diversity hires they got after the success of DOS2, all the newly pozzed shit.
I really like all of previous Larian's work but I don't know why I'm getting a terrible feeling about this one
The OS games, especially 2, should have been in early access for longer. Granted I’m not naive enough to assume BG3 will have a smooth launch, or that the longer early access was entirely planned, but it should at least mean the skeleton of the late game isn’t as barren as it was in OS2
Do they let you playtest the entire game in EA? Because if not it's literally be just like OS1 and 2 and we will only get the "definitive" balance passes a year later.
If they don't get feedback for the later chapters it's gonna be unbalanced every time. It's just how larian works
Unbalanced and bugged maybe, but the main issue with OS late game wasn’t the fact it was broken, though that was a problem, but the fact it was clearly rushed on every level and was much smaller and less satisfying as a result
They can fix a bugged landing, but they’re not going to add vast chunks of content to a rushed one
Can someone who actually played the EA extensively explain what happens when you abuse tadpole powers at every turn? Also can you mind rape other tadpoles with your tadpole and make them your slaves?
You see the manifestation of the tadpole/your dream more often, get tadpole powers that will evolve that are unique to your class, and yeah if someone is branded or has a tadpole you can overpower them in dialog without needing to even roll a dice above 0. Past act 1, who knows though.
Techsnikally, you can't abuse it and use at every turn - it's once a day ability, game explicitly tells you have to take a long rest to use it again (and considering that the game has a calendar hidden in its code the passage of time might actually means something). That being said, nothing happens in EA specifically. Results of its usage will play the role only in the final act, most likely.
>Results of its usage will play the role only in the final act, most likely.
Blah, another cool ability that any reasonable player would want to try out, but it will most likely be coded as "evil" or alienate your companions so you have to pretend it doesn't exist. Reminds me of turning into a Slayer in BG2 that's a big no-no for good characters, so it just... exists.
At least the Slayer was good for dealing with pesky demiliches. But otherwise, yeah, it was useless. But it was just yet another skill in your arsenal.
On the other hand, Larian put so much effort into creating a whole gimmick for that tadpole, including creating your custom waifu and no sane person will ever use it, because how moronic do you have to be?
I mean, you use it some times, then everyone gets a special unique class ability. After a while the group talks at the camp that maybe we shouldn't abuse the illithid mind powers (aka dialogue options as far as the player concerned, not the new class ability) because we don't know shit. It's clearly intended to actually be used but constantly quicksaving, resting a day to reset the mind power meter just to use it again every time there's an option to mind bend someone or read their thoughts will probably have consequences, and assuming it's a three-act game the second act (which is finally making it to Baldur's Gate) will be too soon for that.
I know the way the companions act the way they do is because of the urgency of the tadpoles, which to their knowledge should have converted them already. Its actually a plot reason why they act so annoying, but at the same time, when you write something like that you're asking quite a bit from the players to bear with them.
What annoys me the most is that Larian is ripping off the plot from D:OS2 again.
The "butthole characters who hate each other to incentivise coop conflict" was already a thing in D:OS2. I dunno, maybe it was fun to constantly butt heads in multiplayer, but it wasn't fun in singleplayer, where that murderhobo Sebille kept getting spergouts for no reason.
>Why did it fail?
It's already a success. The EA alone has sold around 2-5M+ just by checking steam numbers. This is before the actual release, so you can stop pretending the game is a failure.
Reason I haven't played it is the combat. Divinity OS was fun don't get me wrong, but I don't really want to replay the same game for the third time. Come up with something new dammit.
Dragonborn is in the last trailer and so was half-orc like 2 trailers ago. Only PHB thing missing besides subclasses/spells that will probably be culled down a bit, is the Monk that we know has been worked on
It has absolutely nothing in common with the previous titles aside from the name.
What does BG2 have to do with Sarevok and Bhaalspawn? Its not until ToB where it comes back around. >i need strong soul so this will do, also for random reasons we are retconning Imoen to be a Bhaalspawn too
>What does BG2 have to do with Sarevok and Bhaalspawn
A lot. BG2 further elaborates on what it means for you to be the Bhaalspawn. It's still on the forefront, Irenicus is just a catalyst. You forgot about all those tests and dreams you were having?
In total those scenes are maybe, 30 minutes of a 80 hour RPG? Also very sporadic around. Also interesting that you don't expect this to tie back around in anyway
>Dragonborn is in the last trailer and so was half-orc like 2 trailers ago.
Oh neat. That's what I wanted.
I am sure I'll my issues with the game still. But I would have had real issues with the game if core PHB stuff like this didn't make it.
With this I am sure I'll be able to tough out the stuff I don't like and find enjoyment from the rest of it.
no shit, i watched some gameplay on youtube, everything look almost the same, from the portraits, interface, particles, light, garbage companions, etc.
I wonder who shills for this game, you don't have a discord gays to talk about it or back to /vg.
But original sin had great cities.
And what's more. The city was one of the best things about the baldur's gate of old too.
You don't need to have any faith whatsoeverin larian or baldur's gate 3. But what's your issue with a city like that?
>Great cities
this post confirm it, those losers are bots or people who played only Divinity 2 in their life now they suck off Larian for free.
you Black folk are truly running out of things to complain about
i really can't imagine what life must be like for your kind, a good game comes out, people enjoy it and you get mad about it?
incredible
What's wrong with this exactly?
Seems cool to me. "A dialog between main missions" type of "romance" honestly sucks.
Bringing more interactions and a full palette of emotions seems like a cool concept to me.
The problem is it ties into WOTC current lore, so who the frick even cares about that. Once this got datamined I expected them to tie it back in but its hard to gauge in what way.
It almost feels as if Larian wanted to make a game about mind flyers, WotC wanted to make a sequel to Descent into Avernus and then they realized that it might be a good idea to make it as sequel to BG2 as well, I mean, we already have an IP...
So now, the story is this contrived mess slapped together from three different storylines that have nothing to do each other. So, sure Bhaal is making magical tadpoles using Netheril magic. And Godzilla was a gundam piloted by Harry Potter. >in b4 Larian will explain-
It's Larian. They can't write stories for shit.
It's guaranteed to be decent to good, judging by DOS1/2 and from what I've seen people play on early access, it's definitely not vaporware, maybe it will still be frontloaded on release like both DOS games so far (in terms of complexity, like Cyseal in DOS and Fort in DOS2), but less so given the extra development time.
I beat both DOS1 and 2 and kickstarted/preordered them and didn't feel cheated, and both were pretty long games so there's that going for them, but yea I find Larian writing and worldbuilding to be a bit weird and not to my ideal standard of fantasy. But I have never played DnD so I can't say how Larian's style coincides with it. I'm guessing it's a bit like MtG though in that the setting is merely a vehicle for storytelling rather than having any real distinct flavours of its own.
I just wish Larian were better writers. I think CDPR in general raised my expectations for writing to an unreasonable level given The Witcher has better writing than most movies and TV shows. And speaking of Witcher, their cities will be the one to beat, there is absolutely no way Baldur's Gate will even hold a candle to the splendour of Novigrad, Beauclair, or even Oxenfurt. I got the impression from the video that Baldur's Gate the city is merely going to be where the game's quests culminate and maybe have some endgame quests or be the setting of the last act, rather than be designed from the ground up with character in mind and intended for the player to revisit again and again like Novigrad. Plus it doesn't look very well designed. Hope I'm wrong. But it's not new either, we've had pretty large sprawling towns and cities in DOS1/2 as well, with Cyseal and I remember one of the later locations of DOS2.
>larian writing bad >cdpr writing good
This is the most NPC opinion possible holy fricking shit.
I fricking hated the tone of the first original sin but the problem wasn't bad writing.
Dude, NTA, and I am not even that big of an CDPR fan, but this is not an opinion, this is an objective truth. Larian have some qualities, but good writing isn't one of them. There is a reason they kept using excuses as "Rivellon is a parody setting" for 20 years.
What was the story of Divinity:Original Sin even about? I just remember obnoxious NPCs, a scavenger hunt for red crystals because Larian loves to waste my time and some dryad that comes out of nowhere.
Even Cyberpunk mogs Larian's writing like it's a rotweiller eating a poodle. CDPR has a lot of faults, but they understand good storytelling. Larian is not interested in characterisation, worldbuilding or plotting. Their writing has this Carmack-like "videogames are porn" quality to it. It's just something to lead you from one encounter (and exploding barrel) to another.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've brought up, and this does look like fine writing to me, however it's a bit weird to praise CDPR so much for the writing quality when they've had plenty of canon characterization from the novels to base off of. In a way their job was closer to translation than writing and imagining someone from scratch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's just mental gymnastics and you know it.
Ok, fine, how about Cyberpunk? Or to broaden the horizons, VtM:Bloodlines? Or even Deus Ex:HR? How many characters from that games can you name from memory? And how many characters from D:OS1 can you name?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's just mental gymnastics and you know it.
How so? I think much praise should go to the author of Witcher novels, first and foremost. Also I have no interest in defending Divinity, I've never touched that game and have no real recollection of any of it save for some youtube recap.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You do realize that Witcher games are not adaptations of the books? And CDPR did 90% of the heavy lifting when it comes to writing, even fixing some rough elements from the original novels (Ciri was an obnoxious shithead in the books, but a beloved waifu in the games). CDPR have really fleshed out the world, because Sapkowski never really bothered.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm vaguely aware the games are not 100% faithful to the novels, the extent and list of the changes I'm no expert on. And wherever changes were made by CDPR that were well-received absolutely deserve praise. Still, that's a far easier job that inventing a whole universe and the characters who inhabit it from scratch. In the same vein that CDPR had their job facilitated by the existence of the canon novels, Larian would be comically incompetent to really, really miss the mark when they have a canon setting to draw inspiration from.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Larian would be comically incompetent to really, really miss the mark when they have a canon setting to draw inspiration from.
...Bhaal is creating super-tadpoles using Netheril magic. That alone doesn't fill me with much hope
11 months ago
Anonymous
There is no confirmation that it is Bhaal, could be a red herring.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If it's a red herring, then this whole plot with tadpoles is pointless. You don't introduce something as a main plot and then go "nope, frick that, it's not important, here's a real story".
But Larian actually does that and it's about as awkward as it sounds. Remember that witch from D:OS2 that had so much buildup in prologue and thrn died offscreen 5 minutes later and had nothing to do with anything?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't have to be Bhaal standing behind the tadpoles, there are other gods, you know that right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
And you do know that Faerunian gods don't give a flying frick about illithids, right? Illithids are not from Faerun, they have their own god, they at best ignore other gods and vice-versa, because you don't want to frick with an illithid eldritch deity.
The fact that some Faerunian deity was interested in creating a tadpole is already flimsy enough. Not to mention gods have much more convenient means to control their faithful than fricking TADPOLES. It would be like you wanting to fix your car, so you enlisted yourself into a space program in hopes to find an intelligent life in the galaxy that has an car-fixing ray. Instead of going to a mechanic. Sure, it's technically doable, but... WHY?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Where did you get the idea the tadpoles are special divine creations? I think it's more likely someone has a vested interest in making yours effectively neutered with powerful magic. So there are several forces at play here and like in any good story, you're a mere pawn to be used by the most opportunistic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I think it's more likely someone has a vested interest in making yours effectively neutered with powerful magic. That's not how tadpoles work.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's Netherese magic. I ain't gotta explain shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know, Swen. I know.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You forget that the cult of Absolute is all but confirmed to be the cult of Dead Three using modifed tadpoles. Which, again...why? Why are going to such idiotic lengths? I commend the Dead Three for thinking outside of the box, but holy shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
nta but it could be many things
maybe an ilithid ship accidentally teleported into the evil god realm and they decided to do something different idfk
stop being autistic about lore for a world that's just an old man's wet dream
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
The squid that gives you the tadpole is super sus. The ship looked like it was attacked even before the gith dragon riders started chasing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe he's disconnected from the hivemind, in which case it brings up another bunch of rather relevant questions. I hope Larian remembers illithids are hivemind.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They obviously remember since this is how our characters read one anothers thoughts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Which brings ANOTHER question as to why other illithids aren't zoning in on you almost immediately?
If you are going to tell me that "it's a special tadpole, it works differently" I will scream.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's a special tadpole since you have control of yourself even if a squid is around but if a squid finds out that you're not enthralled they try to kill you. This is what happens on the bridge of the nautiloid if you linger. So you are somewhat protected from them but if they find out they attack you and try to kill you. >inb4 i'm against special tadpoles
Sucks to be you. I'm fine with the idea. Baldur's Gate characters were always special snowflakes. If you want a bunch of nobodies play Icewind Dale.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Implies they knew in the firstplace.
Why does everyone hate the BG3 companions?
I actually like them a lot more than the DOS2 ones.
If you'd have played literally any real crpg made in the past 30 years you'd have a higher bar than unlikable and weak.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think in the context of this discussion, the justification of the magical MacGuffin isn't particularly important. It's more, characters and their motivations, is there a connection to the plot, do you actually care about your journey, that sort of thing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So far, no I don't have a good motivation. I guess the game wants me to care about the impending tadpole doom, but falls into the trap that Cyberpunk and FO4 fell into, in that the urgent threat takes a backseat to open world shenanigans. To compensate, the game gives you a flimsy excuse of "this is a very special tadpole that works differently". And because I know a think or two about FR lore, my suspension of disbelief is already stretched to the limit, because this makes no in-lore sense. And every next explanation is even more nonsensical, because now it's clear that the tadpole is just an arbitrary mcguffin to create a false sense of urgency, that can be replaced with geas and the result would be identical, not to mention less stupid. But Larian wanted illithids because Stranger Things, so here we are. It's the things like that that throw me out of the game, because Larian treats this story as a tool to go from place A to place B and have some cool setpieces, rather than a vessel to tell some really memorable tale.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> the tadpole is just an arbitrary mcguffin to create a false sense of urgency, that can be replaced with geas and the result would be identical
A geas doesn't turn you into a schizoid with voices in your head murmuring sweet whispers or creating a tulpa waifu in your dreams, nor is it a constant threat to let your sanity slip. Not identical, or even similar.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Geas definately works that way when you try to go against it's conditions.
And even then, there are magical spells and curses that do that, without the need of a tadpole. Just say it's a curse. There really is no need for mind flayers in this story.
Writing encompasses tone. Writing isn't just dialogue or plot, it's the overall worldbuilding and characterization too. And yes writing is very much the issue. People in the Witcher games all feel like real people, the things they talk about and are concerned about make sense based on who they are, and they have very strong and realistic character motivations. As a result the conversations can go really deep and philosophical without feeling like pretentious or like digressions because they're anchored in the pragmatic and primary motivations of the characters. And that's just one reason, there are probably hundreds of little things to do with the writing specifically that makes the writing of The Witcher great and superior to any other game fantasy or otherwise we've seen so far. It's really informed as well, draws from wide source and conveys a non-insane understanding of the world.
The convos you have with Zoltan in TW1 and with Iorveth in TW2 alone blow away anything present in DOS1 or 2.
Yeah, I think that's the issue I have with Larian's writing. They can't write *people*. They either write some one-off jokes or plot expositions. Nothing in Larian's writing comes off as genuine, it's all very sterile and artificial.
>decent to good
Mechanically? Possibly. Writing wise? Lolno.
Spend 5 minutes traversing the headwriters twatter. He's the kind of out and proud ultra leftist that couldn't write a grocery list without trying to turn it into a political statement for virtual Good Boy points. Just look at pic related. Or what about that guy who got tricked into ending up with a gay romance when the game asked him "who do you dream of at night?" and asked him to recreate the character in the editor. He made a role model and ended up with a gay drow/dwarf scene, because the game didn't so much as hint about the question being love interest related.
It's an adventure game, not a fricking dating sim. Romance should be optional, not mandatory.
>Or what about that guy who got tricked into ending up with a gay romance when the game asked him "who do you dream of at night?" and asked him to recreate the character in the editor. He made a role model and ended up with a gay drow/dwarf scene, because the game didn't so much as hint about the question being love interest related.
I can't tell if this is some post-irony bait or not, but regardless you ought to try harder.
I want you to really strain your brain capacity for a moment and read the words that follow "Who do you dream of?" in this screenshot. Really THINK for a moment for once in your forsaken life.
Guy got tricked in an older build. They changed it after people complained it wasn't clear enough.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No cisgender straight Tav is going to dream of super-human Supertav, based on that wording alone. I'm sorry to break this out to you, but if you dream of men, that means you're gay.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What part of the wording was changed to wwhat you see now because people complained was too hard to understand?
11 months ago
Anonymous
And I'm saying that if based on the question "Who do you dream of?" alone, your mind defaults to men, then you're like, super gay. And no one tricked you into being like, super gay. You just never realized it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
...well, you're probably not very wrong. I'd like to add the caveat that if you dream of yourself but as something other than a shitty NEET, that only implies the figurative kind of dicksucking. And if you dream of horrible things happening to someone you hate, that's only a 50/50 chance of you wanting to bone them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
OK but why do you dream of pink-haired dwarven men
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's what I see in the mirror
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dreaming of a role model that inspires you doesn't mean you want to frick him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why does your Tav dream of super Tav, his subconscious role model he wishes he were? My Tav needs no such hope dreaming because my Tav is already strong, smart, handsome and the peak of humankind. My Tav only dreams of a hot babe who will warm his bed after a good dragon slaying.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Men's fitness mags were for gays though
11 months ago
Anonymous
ok but why is your role model a pink-haired dwarf
11 months ago
Anonymous
>pink
You keep using that word, even though it was red and the guy was most likely trying to make Gotrek, who is a certified badass and thus rolemodel material.
inb4 >slayer >rolemodel
That's not the point. He's cool. That's all that matters.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that is at least magenta
and all of this is dancing around the question of why you would dream of an idealized version of yourself rather than just making your PC an idealized version of yourself
11 months ago
Anonymous
anyone got a link to the thread sounds hilarious
11 months ago
Anonymous
I dream of my grandma screaming insults at me every night, doesn't mean I would frick her
that is dump way to phrase romantic interest when they could just phrase it as "who is your lover" not to mention nobody reads the text and just assume the game bug out and re make they're character
11 months ago
Anonymous
>nobody reads the text
sir this is an RPG
11 months ago
Anonymous
no, it isn't
11 months ago
Anonymous
this
I dream of my grandma screaming insults at me every night, doesn't mean I would frick her
>cope
lad did you even play the EA? The druid circle looks like one of those diversity and inclusion advertisements that big corpos run. you enjoy your zogslop i'll play 100% white baldurs gate in the good games and not this cuck dating sim
Go play Rogue Trader. It literally has only 1 black person, to the point reddit got offended. You can't even make a black protagonist, because Owlcat LITERALLY FORGOT black people exist.
It's a place of gathering for the local druids. I have no idea what does that have with diversity, though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
a magical hippy commune
11 months ago
Anonymous
...wait, so your train of thought is druids = hippie meme = woke?
You don't know anything about FR druids, do you?
11 months ago
Anonymous
the old druids don't exist anymore anon
5th edition did away with everything that isn't PC
11 months ago
Anonymous
...wait, so your train of thought is druids = hippie meme = woke?
You don't know anything about FR druids, do you?
QRD on the old druids? Sounds cool. Only things I know about in FR are from Baldurs Gate / Dark Alliance, and the Drizzt novels.
11 months ago
Anonymous
In the good old days, they were an exclusive human-only class of true naturals. And they were hardcore true neutrals. Some of them, like Malar worshippers would just hapilly set your house on fire or resort to ecoterrorism because frick your civilization. The nicer ones, would just tell you to frick off before you get mauled by a pack of angry wolves.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds badass. Gonna roll an ecoterrorist on my next playthrough.
11 months ago
Anonymous
troon don't talk to me me about D&D, go shitpost in your starfield threads
>don't play the game or watch vids >base my opinions on selective screenshots here and there and other the wisdom of shitposting Ganker mystics
i am truly evil, more devilish than satan himself
Don’t think any writing can be as bad as BG1’s companions with their Redditesque selection phrases only a Codexcuck would defend. Sadly they are adding Minsc, Mr Reddit himself, as a companion.
Not relevant. BG had Reddit like qualities before Reddit, it was a proto-Reddit game. In fact, BG was so Redditorific it may have actually contributed to early Reddit culture.
It's a great game and if you're going to be buying it you might as well do it now so you get the free upgrade do digital delux(everyone who buys the preorder gets it).
Why are people so mad at this shit?
I would be mad if I was forced to play some them/they/whatever, but as long as I'm free to play as a white human fighter, I don't mind more options if some folks like them.
>Make Divinity Original Sin clone in both gameplay and tone in Baldur’s Gate setting, thus alienating both audiences >Spend all your money Star Citizen-style hiring Hollywood actor to voice a B tier character >Drop updates at a slower speed than 80% of early access titles
Pretty easy to see
Twilight is entertaining as hell
Hilariously bad movie
This game is entertaining as well and unlike twilight because it is genuinely well made and is a fun adventure.
I'll be playing it with several friends who are also excited about among the million+ who bought it already
Seethe
The developers complained about people making their characters in the character creator white. Why would I spend my money on a game made by people who want me dead?
>Dev jokingly tells gamers to use species other than default male human fighter in DND which has multiple options >Nameposters and other chinless freaks freak out over it for 3 years
>jokingly
anon...
why didn't they just do what they REEE'D about others not doing? that or fix the reason people overwhelmingly pick humie
instead they b***h about YT
It was just one of the artists that lamented over how so few people picked all the character creation options that they had worked on. That was it.
It was no condemnation of white men, white people, or men. But that didn't stop people b***hing about exactly that for years. And it certainly didn't help when Larian went full moron and responded to the haters by doing exactly what they complained about, waving black people around to frick with the haters.
That’s some troony cope right there. have a nice day, homosexuals. They clearly were shitting on white men doing self inserts because of “diversity”. It was a shameful use of usage statistics
It was just one of the artists that lamented over how so few people picked all the character creation options that they had worked on. That was it.
It was no condemnation of white men, white people, or men. But that didn't stop people b***hing about exactly that for years. And it certainly didn't help when Larian went full moron and responded to the haters by doing exactly what they complained about, waving black people around to frick with the haters.
I don't hate my (female) companions and they don't hate me in return. Maybe stop roleplaying as a 8 CHA antagonistic other-hating dwarf and you'll get better results.
>Original Sin 3
The whole Larian dev team should unironically be killed for the good of mankind. They aren't just talentless, they're evil and anti-human, working on destroying our legacy and history.
>poltards and troonys deserve each other
you homosexuals act like /misc/ has any power in these things when it's the troonys and troonys alone that get hired in game development the blame is on them not pol and you're part of the problem
This shit has been in development so long that when it was announced, I was actually excited that they might have the Critical Role cast on to voice act. Now if I hear anything about them being involved I will absolutely not be playing it.
homosexuals are quintessentially evil and destructive. They have no purpose in life and their entire existence serves no purpose other than self indulgence and self destruction.
It didn’t. It’s the best RPG of the last 10 years. Unironically the only thing I’m looking forward to in video games is running this with my IRL friends on release. It’s probably going to be the finale to my gaming career since absolutely everything else in the industry looks like shit.
Cope. Why don't you go play Fable. This game exclusively has 5 white main party NPCs, most of the NPCs you meet for the story are white, and you create your own Character.
oh man god bless swen reviving the genre for us boomers i dont even think zoomers like top down shit
you Black folk you never played the first 2 game stop larping, , if you ever did after a few hours of this trash(watch some youtube playthrough) you will call it just a burning garbage, have a (you) .
Also stop acting like boomers, you're not, just some losers millenials in their 35's and still act like they are in their 20's
It's just a bunch of people coping after seeing Fable with its ugly black MCs, and Starfield with 30fps. Millions of people already bought early access so the game is pretty much funded. The only way they can screw up the game is by making it short. As long as they deliver the 100+ hours of content, we're good.
I think a big question mark is the Tactician-equivalent difficulty and maybe how they plan to scale up difficulty. Once we lit level 5, the areas even meant for level 5 in early access are a joke. They need to do a sweeping balance overhaul which I am expecting anyways, but also tweak resting. I think martials need to be able to use the weapon skills twice per short rest too, instead of one.
>D&D in current year
What's the point of having different races and cultures if only evil npc's are allowed to have even the slightest conflict with other characters based on race? Why on earth are there demons ans hit if at the end of the day they're just humans with horns that are supposed to be treated as equals by every other character? What the frick is the point of roleplaying without conflict?
Back in the day, I resented Gygax and company for their strict stance on no rules for playable monsters nor even evil characters. I thought it was stupid, why not open the door for all kinds of new stories? There's lots of things generic good guys don't do, widening the character pool gives so many more new possibilities.
Now I've seen the kind of shit people do with those possibilities and think old Gary had a point.
Good guys are usually the ones who would attempt to work together as a group in the first place. Anti heros are all loner types working alone and bad guys rarely work together without backstabbing each other at some point. Gary had a point.
I find it hilarious how 90% of people only play human, regardless of what other races are available, and then you get this extremely vocal minority complaining that they didn't get enough monster looking races.
They gave you githyanki, and that's all you're getting. Most people aren't interested in playing as a monster. MMOs have proved this time and time again. People would rather be a human with cat ears and a tail than play a Khajit.
real answer? it's turn based and everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based. The reason they made it turn based is because they are hacks whose previous games have all been turn based so they couldn't accomplish a realtime with pause game.
That's the genuine, full 100% truth. A turnbased game will always be some XCOM level bullshit for a very specific niche kind of player. They exist but they certainly aren't the CRPG fanbase.
>everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based.
Really? Because last time I checked a huge majority of CRPGs have turnbased mode, either builtin or thanks to mods.
Divinity: Original Sin is your only passable argument but it's larian trash so it shouldnt even count when this entire argument is to trash larian for being incompetent.
And you have the audacity to consider games with hex fields CRPGs? rofl what on earth
meanwhile all the actual beloved cult classics are:
and HOW CURIOUS that Bioware went on to kill RPGs for years, and Black Isle has been reduced to an also-ran forced to make a Skyrim clone after their attempt at an RTWP CRPG revival got utterly BTFO by a turn-based game, twice.
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Anonymous
Owlcat also moved purely to turn based >Adapt turn based system, PF1 into a RTwP game >won't adapt a turn based system into a RTwP for Rogue Trader
you're such an intellectually challenged and dishonest person.
"Checking out newly added Turn-Based Mode to POE2"
"after all DLCs have been released"
they literally added it as an afterthought for the braindead turn based idiots after everything else was finished and all sales were done and some random modders already did all the work for them
11 months ago
Anonymous
>D-D-DOESNT COUNT!!!!!
You were wrong and got btfo. Take it as a lesson and play more games before running your mouth next time
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're a child, of course a game mod added as a patch years afterwards doesnt count. I wont bother trying to explain basic 1+1 logic to you anymore
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why wouldn't it count? It's not a mod, it's something the developers added themselves. >b-but it wasn't in at launch
and? That just means Obsidian recognized their mistake (too late for it to matter, but still)
11 months ago
Anonymous
>of course a game mod added as a patch years afterwards doesnt count
Why not? What was it you said earlier? >go list them then, obviously only without mods
POE2's tbs mode is not a mod. It counts. You were wrong. Seethe if you must, but do it quietly
11 months ago
Anonymous
>POE2's tbs mode is not a mod. It counts. You were wrong. Seethe if you must, but do it quietly
moronic little children cant understand simple english language, I understand that. The context of the argument is which is more popular: Realtime vs Turn based.
Obviously, you dumb frick, you cant count a game that had its turnbased mode added years later as an afterthought. That would prove my point that realtime mode is far better and it proves that the game sold so well in realtime mode that they had money left over to satisfy the niche morons later as well.
People like you are the reason why society is shit, you took the vaccine. Just admit it. Dont bother responding again without posting your vaccine status, I wont respond
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I-IT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SO WAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Also imagine thinking anyone cares aout your moronic opinion especially in a thread that's going to die lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
you didnt post your vaccine status? what a surprise
11 months ago
Anonymous
>d-doesn't count
the fact that they even bothered to add it after the fact clearly demonstrates even they recognize people prefer turn-based to RTWP
11 months ago
Anonymous
no, that's what they were led to believe through the nonstop crying and whining by turnbased people. It will hurt them in the future but you wont be capable of seeing it
11 months ago
Anonymous
>DOS2 is the best-selling CRPG ever >BG3 will likely sell even more
or people just prefer turn-based to RTWP, because RTWP is a shitty system and those cult classic CRPGs are only cult classics because they were the only ones on the market, not because they were RTWP
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's quite the cope for one game in that entire list
>and everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based
Huh?
I don't hate real time or anything but this is an odd take. There has always been a rather even split and heated debate in the CRPG community about what is superior.
that is false. There has been a heated debate between offline losers who sit in a room for hours and play turnbased on a piece of paper and the normal people who just want to play a cool videogame. Every normal person wants real time with pause and that's why all the biggest cult classics in the CRPGs genre were all realtime games.
No normal person plays CRPGs in the first place > why all the biggest cult classics in the CRPGs genre were all realtime games.
Like Fallout 2?
Withotu talking about the fact that Divinity 2 outsold everything else and it's turn based (regardless of it being shit), or newer gems like Underrail or Age of Decadence
There's clearly a huge market for turn based, there hasn't been a successful real time only CRPG in a while in fact, even pathfinder added turn based after the community asked for it.
This version of the frog from the new trailer is pretty cute
Too bad from what I understand the devs are preparing her to cuck the player for some godforsaken reason
I don't fricking care about what the frick she is, she's getting beheaded anon. Pulverized. Incinerated. Nothing will be left of her, the moment I see her with another man. >B-BUT IF IT'S IN HER CULT-
It's not in mine and I'm LE.
I can think of a few things:
too long in early access killed all hype for it, everybody interested has played through the prologue a hundred thousand times by now
starting at level 1 in D&D is incredibly boring, part of what gave BG2 so much staying power (and so much more than BG1) is that starting at a higher level gives you room to explore builds right away
the market is surprisingly crowded right now for this sorta game between Owlcat's Pathfinder stuff, their new Rogue Trader game coming out soon, the Pillars of Eternity series, Octopath Traveler 2, etc. You really gotta stand out these days and a generic D&D adventure just doesn't seem very unique. Starting out on some eldritch mind flayer ship is cool but you abandon that immediately to wind up on some generic foothills/coast setting. Which, I get it, we're on the Sword Coast here near Baldur's Gate but that doesn't make for a very engaging setting if the goal here is to wow the player.
Same schizo posting the same 10 images doomposting a game that sold a million in a month in 2020. That sparks up all the stupid ass discussions that makes these threads inflate
majority of the thread is /misc/ homosexuals being baited into talking about the game cause we like Larian they deserve more money other half is people waiting/lurking for release since Larian are the only dev left still trying to make old style CRPG's work
i think crpgs in general are one of the dick measuring tools used by the obese neckbeards here to show how they are akchual gamers anot not le fake gamer. the lonely neckbeard thinks the more he professes to hate classic games the cooler he looks, or some other nonsense. so when crpgs come up its just constant drivel of this nature
Not enough diversity.
this. Since the character creator allows you to make white males, no one in current year will play it.
You know what I hear way more than "I'm not being represented"?
>Woke agenDA sTrikES BECAuSe oF ~~*~~*~~*tHeM*~~*~~)) and tHe frickING ~~*~~*SJwS*~~*~~ RuINinG ALL MY viDYa Games :'( wHiTEs aRe tHE MOST pErsecuted peOplE THAt hAvE ever EXISteD
Fricking snowflakes I swear
this, but even more unironically
Why are Black folk on this website? Why the frick do they care about a place they are not welcome?
everyone is welcome on Ganker except polcucks aka election tourists, but what can you do?
#inclusivity yeah go shove a dildo up your ass homosexual no one gives a frick about that gay shit, and this is coming from a troony there is nothing to be prideful about being a Black person or liking wiener in your ass and game developer shouldnt be forced to shill gays or Black folk what the frick is wrong with your fricking melted israeliteopd brains
every place welcome a bbc, at least your sisters and your mothers do.
Now get included in the closet while i frick your girls polcuck.
>MUH DICK!
every time
rightoids are the new SJWs
Shut up Black person no one cares project harder and find a new safe space
>the people who think men can be women are the same as the people who don't think men can be women
So this is the power of enlightened centrism?
>put politics into everything
>get mad when people talk about politics
I love havin a Black if its an egyptian or zulu or witch doctor or barbarian character, same thing with asian monks and samurais its when they swap something like a paladin outside of diablo that it gets to me
t. chudite
Black person israelite found
>you know what i hear? things i make up in my head!
More evidence that you people are delusional and out of touch with reality.
>You know what I hear way more than "I'm not being represented"?
I'd be fine with your shitty ideology spouting words words words in comic strips, but the fricking lies, my word.
too many fricking words in that comic
>more than "I'm not being represented"?
because there's nothing to complain about there, they will cater to whoever complains about 'not being represented'
I don't care about extra options being on character selection, and I know you know that already but it's just an easy strawman. I just don't want to buy games where overall quality wasn't the focus, and for most games where they do their best to cater to all the (potential) loud complaining voices, the quality just isn't there. Seemingly because it's more of an afterthought lately.
what do snowflakes have to do with anything here anyway? a "snowflake" is someone who likes to make excuses due to how unique they are. they're special snowflakes. haven't you heard that phrase that every snowflake is unique? if anything wanting more granularity in a character creator would be more of a "snowflake" complaint
>what do snowflakes have to do with anything here anyway?
I think the insult in that term, lies in the implied fragility, not the uniqueness. Although both meanings are used interchangeably, but in this context he's clearly calling you out for being a sensitive pearl clutching person offended over the slightest (perceived) attack on their values, not some devianart poetry-writing neon-haired quirky not-like-the-others person. And considering hundreds of shit threads have been created in response to White Male Human Tav, it's hard to disagree.
Hundred of bait threads by the same moron you mean, Jesus some of you fricks are dumb as shit
>by the same moron
It's not particularly relevant. You can see the backlash in this very thread. Why are you calling us out? Are you a shill? Of course we should be able to hate a not yet released game for its woke and sjw sensibilities. It's outrageous. It's unfair.
>Why are you calling us out?
>us
Oh, it's the discord troon brigade. I see.
You have some issues with detecting sarcasm in written text and it makes responding to you an unsatisfying experience. My last pity (You)
Well to detect sarcasm you have to read the whole post. Which i didn't do. My fail.
He's right. You're full of shit since the game is one of the least woke games to come out in the last 5 years.
>or being a sensitive pearl clutching person offended over the slightest (perceived) attack on their values,
you must have not actually read my post then? idc about any of that, I just want good games.
i know the meaning of 'snowflake' has become twisted, but during the 2016 election the right did use it to mean a reference to uniqueness
You can want good games and not particularly care about the inclusion of non-binary genderfluid beard-having female dwarfs as an option during character creation. I'm not an Americ**t so maybe I just don't get this need to polarize any discussion and having to pick a side. If there is actual cringy woke shit shoved into the writing of the game itself, Larian absolutely deserves to be roasted as Beamdog was for BG2EE, otherwise I don't see why should anyone give a shit.
i said in *both* of my posts that I don't care about " the inclusion of non-binary genderfluid beard-having female dwarfs as an option during character creation" but you find it convenient to ignore that
Right, but how do you infer from that that it was somehow a very important topic that came up during development, or that Larian's bent on appeasing any vocal and obnoxious minority group? How does adding one more "snowflake" option during character creation inform you on their general design philosophy?
making good games takes a lot of focus, and it's clear that the focus has been taken off of quality to appeal to the loudest low hanging fruit. I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is. this probably bears repeating for you:
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
it's similar to the discussion on difficulty modes for souls games. you could argue up and down that they 'should' be able to make the same game but just add some mode where the enemies have 25% HP or something, but clearly the devs would want to make sure all modes are interesting to play, so it wouldn't be just that easy. elden ring was good because the devs put all their focus into the one mode the game has
again, i'll repeat
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I just want good games. I'm not even upset if all games suck anyway; I don't really need to play games, I've played plenty of them. Just not gonna buy bad ones.
You're comparing gameplay needing to remain interesting at multiple levels of difficulty, which yes requires planning and some actual design thought, with a drop-down "I want to be a gay non-binary Gimli" option in character creation which took what, 20 seconds to change in the code? Yes, you do not care about that. Then what to you care about, and can you show an egregious example present in the EA?
I don't care how elaborate the character creation tool is.
I just know that games have lost good writing, good story development, difficult but fun and satisfying combat, etc. It's not that they couldn't, it's just become a clear that whoever is directing these games figures those elements are just a shoe-in that they can easily implement, and what people *really* care about is that the character creator includes them or whoever they want to be, that the story doesn't contain 'toxic' tropes, that the graphics are impressive, etc. so that's what they focus on.
if they can do all that while making the story and mechanics good, I don't mind. But that's not what is happening.
Are you just endlessly going to deflect, is that your thing? Do you get off on that? The EA has provided 20 hours or so of content, why not point out something in there that bothered you? How are you still speaking in hypotheticals and projections when you should by now have a pretty good idea of the design philosophy?
I'm not sure what you're saying I'm deflecting. I haven't even played baldurs gate 3, though I might once it is actually released. None of my posts were about BG, it was a response to this post:
which is about games in general
So you're some kind of prophet, you've seen it happen in other games, so this must be the case here too. Well nobody can reasonably argue with someone who hasn't even played the game, and that's precisely where you want to be. Good for you I guess
well maybe if you could point out where I said BG3 is definitely going to be bad you might have some kind of point. You asked me what I care about in games if not the character creation menu. I told you. What's the issue? I was responding to someone, and yourself, who implied that anyone who has concerns about where the focus of the game industry is just has some issue seeing options present in the character creation process, which is not the case.
>What's the issue?
It's not particularly interesting or on-topic. And so, if you'll excuse me, I have places to go now.
classic
I mean, they are overseen by WotC, probably the most woke tabletop corporation on the planet right now. I would be surprised if the game isn't woke as all frick at release.
>Woke agenDA sTrikES BECAuSe oF ~~*~~*~~*tHeM*~~*~~)) and tHe frickING ~~*~~*SJwS*~~*~~ RuINinG ALL MY viDYa Games :'( wHiTEs aRe tHE MOST pErsecuted peOplE THAt hAvE ever EXISteD
absolutely seething
> words words words words
Black folk tongue my anus, day of the rake soon
Why don't you show the pictures?
You come to the one place with those opinions, the rest of the internet it's the opposite then you complain like a literal fricking moron typing words like a moronic woman with bipolar(good chance you are)
It's not bait, you are just a fricking idiot but here's the (you) please take it, it's all you have in your short miserable life
I'll bite the bait.
How much affirmative action is there for whites?
What happens when you say white power as to compared to black power?
How many africans invaded Europe to leech off the welfare systems as compared to the other way around over the past decades?
Wow this sure is relevant to my experience as a homosexual nerd playing DnD games. Glad you brought up these relevant topics.
And the /misc/ Black folk hated him, for he spoke the truth.
this but unironically
a light hearted joke about gamers going the default route by an almost entirely white european company and you homosexuals STILL seethe about it 3 years on
Not even Black folk asking for reparations are this disgustingly fragile
>Not even Black folk asking for reparations are this disgustingly fragile
civil war ended slavery in 1865
it's 2023
3 years <<<< 158 years
nice try chud
come back when you get a calculator
Not reading all that
>leftist comics
Words words words
>right or any centrist comic
Resembles something like the E meme but you actually get it
>an entire doctoral thesis
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Californian or, God forgive me for saying this, Canadian hands typed this post.
design a better game chud
This. No warforged, no tabaxi..
There will be Half-Orcs and Dragonborn.
No harem route with non-human females.
all the playable races are just human look-alikes. No based as frick skeletons or lizards like Divinity.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/races
There are some cool races too, game looks good still thougheverbeitlest
humanbros...
She looks like she fricks white men only.
>skeletons or lizards like Divinity
I really disliked these in divinity.
dragonborn soon
I thought that race would have been one of the first races they would have added. I am surprised it is taking this long for them to add dragonborns.
Beast races are usually harder since you have to account for more clipping with armors.
>made to appeal to coomers and people who never played BG but will still clap because they recognize Minsc
I wonder
>an unnecessary remake of a perfectly finished franchise that ended 20 years ago
>full of inane, uninteresting dickwads without any redeeming virtue
>reddit wacky writing *bops nose*
>devs menstruating hard about muh diversity, just make a horned tiefling black woman bigot!!
If was garbage shat by garbage from the beginning.
>remake
Not a remake
>franchise that ended 20 years ago
It is DnD you can tell infinite stories if you want, Baldurs Gate is a city in the DnD world, just like NWN and IWD.
And yet, they are going out of their make to make it a sequel to BG2. A series that ended 20 years ago.
If it was a spin-off game, called let's say, Baldur's Gate: The Adventures Of Some Very Obnoxious People it'll be fine. But nope, it's an unnecessary sequel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_III:_The_Black_Hound
And nobody was happy about it back then as well. Not even Black Isle themselves. There is a reason it was cancelled.
Because we all played the EA three years ago.
Larian don't know anything about the game they're making. You can tell because they thought putting a big, distracting, timewasting city in a crpg was a good idea. To say nothing of the mocap sex.
why would it be a distraction when it's just the setting for an act?
But original sin had great cities.
And what's more. The city was one of the best things about the baldur's gate of old too.
You don't need to have any faith whatsoeverin larian or baldur's gate 3. But what's your issue with a city like that?
The city in classic BG frickin sucked for playing through. Clausterphobic mess with a full party. Cool designs and interesting encounters but its a shock to the system in BG1 after youve been on the road adventuring in open spaces.
>But original sin had great cities.
What?
It was one of the worst attempts at creating the city I can think of. It felt so... gamey. In general D:OS games are probably the worst when it comes to immersion, because of how Larian designs the world. Everything is static, there is no day/night cycle, NPCs keep spouting the same lines over and over again, there is no city ambience, everything's too close to each other. BG1/2 did it so much better 20 years ago.
You didn't play bg 1 or 2.
The city was a liminal space that did nothing but consume time spent traversing it.
Everything crucial to the game; exposition and character advancement, took place in subcontained dungeons like the iron throne, the planar sphere, the copper coronets backrooms, or the sewers.
Cities in crpgs are a nuiscance.
>The city was a liminal space that did nothing but consume time spent traversing it.
It had tons of neat secrets. Quests with rewards that could boost you. And lots and lots of stuff to steal.
Wasted game areas. This is yet another reason why icewind dale fricked on bg. It had the proper gauntlet of death format.
It's called DUNGEONS and DRAGONS not CITIES and MOOKS.
You must be a riot in your RPG party.
He doesn't play ttrpgs
This is a computer rpg dimnuts, it is a strategy game with vestigial roleplay elements. There's no dm to cooperate with to tell a unique story. It's a virtual meat grinder.
I bet women are responsible for this atrocity against crpgs. Gygax was always right.
You sound like a huge wiener gurgling homosexual with shit taste.
Takes one to know one you titanic schlong huffing fruitcake of questionable predilections.
But the cities were great to prepare for or retool after or before dungeons.
They are in no way whatsoever incompatible. Kind of weird how you're treating them like they kind of are.
>Wasted game areas.
Tons of spells to learn if you play a wizard. Why the frick would you just rush through it to continue to the main story?
>To say nothing of the mocap sex.
The what now? Suddenly I'm intrigued...
>game that has sold millions in early access has somehow failed
OP is a homosexual.
Did this game even come out? I swear people have been posting about it for like a year. Was it early access or just too much content leaking?
Early access was a long time ago, actual release is this fall
I hate that half of this game is just going to be "hey guys remember bg 1 and 2?"
Frick minsc.
They should have brought back Jan and Korgan, those guys are based.
That would be even worse because larian would ruin them. They can't write for shit.
cuckshit
You've played BG2 haven't you?
Perfect for Biocucks and Owltrannies then.
Well Baldur's Gate was an IP developed by Bioware thanks to them getting the license of the Forgotten Realms by TSR.
>early access hell for half a decade
>wokeshit
>somehow manages to make D&D mechanics even more boring
>devs hostile to players that aren't in the woke cult
its not baldurs gate and will never be baldurs gate.
>fail
It's likely going to be the best selling crpg of all time
meaningless if Gankereddit doesn't like it
Ganker will probably end up liking it anyway outside of a couple autists who post the same five shitposts in every single thread while everyone else is just talking about the game
meaningless if I don't like it
you will probably also like it
I'm not even gonna play it
Garbage "progressive" millennial devs
I scrolled past an article about they hired some actor to be in the game. Just put me off it even more.
Yeah how dare they...hire people to voice the characters.
I hate how modern crpgs are filled with quips. I get that they are trying to go for the wacky DnD adventure with horny nerds type, but it’s just annoying that there isn’t one serious deadpan character in any Larian video game.
blame critical role
nu-dnd is borderlands game
Baldur's Gate has always been quipshit
>Kill Drizzt
>Realize only after he's essential for Dynaheir's stupid quest in the NPC project
Screw it. The scimitars are cooler anyway.
>search this game on youtube
>The first video is a guy who is non-stop shilling this game for over a year
>the only news from yesterday on the official channel is about muh city have people in it and a garbage animation
they should hire smarter shills for this game. There are at least 4-5 subhumans defending this garbage for free in each thread and i can tell they are not fans or they played the old games.
It didn't, it made a shitload of money off of Early Access alone.
They didn't finish making the game.
I don't think anyone in this thread has actually played the game.
I have. It is great.
Can't wait for release. We will finally have comfy and shitpost free threads to discuss the game.
>Shitpost free threads
Unlikely, if threads involving any of the other new CRPG releases are any indication.
Aren't Pathfinder threads pretty tame nowadays?
Parhfinder threads are schizo central, they are getting slughlty better but the spergouts are far from over
>almost same content and the numbers of posters don't go up
at least change the IP gays or the script
because Larian can't make good games, that's why the first chapter is just bait. The morons who are shilling this game for free never played the first 2, also they are starving for CRPG, nothing on the market right now, Rogue trader is at least a year away.
there's a lot of us who just want more 5e dnd games. Right now there's only Solasta, a more long form campaign would be good for a lot of those people looking for it
>there's a lot of us who just want more 5e dnd games
yeah, that's why those type of games barely sell anything, Wotr barely sold 1 million, that's fricking nothing, this game will sell 2-3 mill and because graphic and marketing and nobody will remember a year later.
>mutt, Black, annoying gay vampire, a prostitute and a annoying sorcerer
they can't make good companions anymore, i mean is Larian who can't write even if you would put a gun at their heads.
>mutt, Black, annoying gay vampire, a prostitute and a annoying sorcerer
If these are your actual problems with the companions you will never be satisfied with anything and you are just hating for the sake of it or to be cool.
I dislike them for different reasons.
Wotr is not a 5e dnd game
And also 1 million is good for a crpg with below average graphics made trough kickstarter using unity.
It's in fact pretty fricking good all things considered.
Solasta has decent combat but is otherwise full of kindergarten tier exposition and has dialogue and prompts written by schizophrenics who have never interacted with other humans
Not to mention that one voice actor who's clearly drunk
>shitpost free threads
Highly unlikely. The shitposters are mentally ill. The only difference is that there will be more positive voices playing the game so the shitposters would be drowned in a sea of comments actually playing the game and enjoying it.
Shitposters are unable to live as long as others enjoy life and games. The only cure is death.
Enjoy your threads where 90% of the people talk about their waifus
Because they don't have an eight-tiddy goth werewolf gf in the game.
It's not even out yet
People craving the next TORtanic so desperately their jumping the gun on the threads.
I wish they would remake BG3 but with good combat.
Larian has journalists in their pockets. They won't let this game to flop. It's going to be TLOU2 all over again, with astroturfing going up the wazoo.
I disagree. Most people I've seen who are aware of BG3 are either neutral or positive towards it. The only real negativity I see is from deranged shitposters
Sure, Swen. You keep telling that to yourself. BG1/2 fans hate your game.
I'm a BG1/2 fan, played and beaten both multiple times and on original release dates (had to borrow someone else's CDs to install the first game/expansion, though).
I'm looking forward to BG3 very much.
But I'm also a D&D fan, so that might be the difference. It seems that people who are strictly BG1/2 fans but are not D&D fans are not happy with BG3
I am a D&D fan too, but I am also very concerned about WotC's involvement, because between lore retcons, woke agendas, predatory practices and being overall a bunch of frickups that send armed goons to their own customer's houses, I am not trusting them at all to treat the franchise with respect.
And Larian is Larian. Their games are... acquired taste. You either love them or you don't. For me, they are too gimmicky, full of badly written, chucklefricky humour. So forgive me if I'm not particularly excited for not being particularly excited for BG3, that is shaping up to be another D:OS game,and boy, I didn't have fun with those.
I actually had more fun with Rogue Trader beta, despite being rough as frick, than with BH3 EA, because at least in RT I didn't feel the urge to murder my companions. And it's 40k we are talking about.
Probably because they refuse to actually finish and release it.
Only people who played the game would understand.
As a man of taste, I think this is cringe.
But, its somewhat necessary. Most of the marketing so far has been really poor, being totally confusing to anyone who hasn't played the game.
Maybe this cringy animation will bring in the 5e animation tumblr tuber gays. Its a step up from an advertisement standpoint
>I think this is cringe
You have not a singe drop of humor in you sir. I laughed my ass off when watching it since this is how some people played the early access.
>dying to a frog
>using oil barrels to dose the ground and blow up everything
>getting butchered by the hag
>killing everything in sight to farm levels
Well I found many jokes in the EA funny. I think I just didn't like the artstyle, like I said reminded me too much of tumblr animations and it doesn't really fit the game.
Voice acting and music, of course, were top notch as always. Very excited to hear the full soundtrack!
>The number of posters remain the same, 50
come on lads, why are we talking, we are talking with bots and shills after all, waste of time
like this gay, who write like that after watching that cringe animation?
NTA, but I guess I don't understand Belgian humour.
I've been playing Larian games for ages now so maybe i just have an aquired taste for their humor now.
So far:
>Frog vs. Shadowheart
>Tiefling waifus
>some anon was even drooling over Kagha
>drow waifu gays
>goblin waifu gays
The waifu threads will be a huge mess.
Tieflings?
How does she sleep on her side?
With great difficulty
She sleeps on her tummy presenting ass all night flicking her tail waiting for Tav to take action.
>frog
That's stupid, you can't have waifu wars over non-romanceable options.
>you can't have waifu wars over non-romanceable options
LMAO!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING!
When you have sex with a shapeshifted druid, does that count as bestiality? What animal would Kagha shapeshift into for hatesex?
there will always be a waifugay of any female character in the game anon.
>there will always be a waifugay of any female character in the game anon.
>drow smelly
They "fixed" the animations
Why can't they just finish the game? They constantly shill it, constantly rant on twitter. But years later... still no game.
....Are you dense? They're advertising now because it releases in like 2 months
I'll believe they are releasing it when I see it. They have dragged ass for so long that I think they are lying.
Uh, ok. Just next time don't ask stupid questions when there's an obvious answer.
>they have dragged ass for so long
in what capacity? they were pretty clear of around when it would release when they initially announced it and put out the early access
they have consistently added classes to the early access as they were developed and talked about not wanting every class and spec in the EA and their progress on its development
what exactly they have dragged ass on?
>what exactly they have dragged ass on?
Making an actual game. They've been wasting too much time on sex scenes and mediocre combat.
>release in two months
>same thing as early access
>we'll patch the rest in when it's ready
Larian knows what they're doing.
literally every western made game in the past 15 years. They just following industry norm. Why wouldn't they? Free QA work. Personally i will pirate the game in a year
Black folk queers mindflayers are fricking disgusting bad writing writers who watch anime and marvel movies arrogant writers writers who would find dragonlance ridiculous but loved game of thrones the tv show, an ugly rote meander through the magical realm of social media dwelling homosexual men and fat nonbinary polyamorous females who daydream about how cool their OCs are
No rape
MODs are a thing and the game already has mods even in early access.
Because full release comes within 6 days (1 day with special edition) of the release of Starfield.
>seamless city
>extreme chance of exploring every building like every OS1/2 game and currently you can in BG3 early access areas
>that zoomed in camera and improved animations
Its about to have the best city in a video game
And yet they still don't know how to implement day/night cycle and weather effects. Ultima did it, almost 25 years ago. Not to mention BG1/2.
some sacrifices must be made for KINO, anon.
Making the city feel static doesn't make in KINO, anon.
This is actually a valid criticism of a missed opportunity. But we've known this for a while, what's with the tadpole conveniently handwaving the gay vampire's weakness or drow sunlight sensitivity.
It's a magical plot tadpole. It does everything the plot wants it to do. Why? Frick you, Netheril magic. What does that have to do with anything? Frick you, Larian writing.
>And yet they still don't know how to implement day/night cycle and weather effects.
Dropped.
This is going to be the best co-op RPG ever made.
First playtrough solo. No way i'm playing this game with my idiot friends.
This.
I swear 99% of people play these games like an autistic speedrunner, speedreading dialog and sprinting off randomly instead of doing shit together.
Why is everyone such an adhd moron these days?
The shitty part of playing with friends is now they don't just read a dialog box. They sync to the cutscene/animations which makes it take longer than OS1/2. That is what I am worried about doing co-op
It also makes it look better. I don't care since i'll be playing the game alone.
>Playing with some randoms online
>Drow player runs off and joins the goblins while the rest of us are still in the druid camp
>Goblin attack begins and druids all go hostile on us while he is attacking the walls with his goblin allies, we all die
I fricking hate drow so much bros
This might actually be a valid warning. If you play with randos be warry of people roleplaying as drow.
Or clerics of an evil god.
>Playing with Dwarf named Kagren Elf-Hater
>He honest to god kills every single elf we come across, including constantly pushing our elf player off ledges or throwing things at them in the middle of combat
Ok i chuckled.
I'm talking to Astarion doing his intro cutscene and the dwarf just yeets him off the cliff into the ocean, I laughed my ass off
STOP GIVING PEOPLE IDEAS!
How did this game utterly mindbreak Ganker and spawn so many discord raiders?
Will you guys have another mental break when it launches?
>Fail
>Sold over a Million copies in EA back in Oct 2020
https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-one-million-copies-sold/
Ganker you need to take that fat L and move on. You lost.
Doesnt count.
65 posters
Come on trannies and shills, learn to change the IP or buy a VPN if you want to shill this game so bad
>turn-based
>I didn't like DIVOSes
>dragonz & mind flayers from lvl 1?
>weird lore retcons
>what does it have to do with baldur's gate again? other than being set in FR
>NPCs look rather boring
>bland artstyle, mobile phone looking nu-design interface
I'm gonna pirate and buy if it's actually good, but I don't have high expectations
>/v-pol/Black folk complain that the game is full of Black folk
>most of the citizens are white
Ganker and /misc/ proven wrong once again
BG3 threads are full of these neanderthals complaining about a game that is going to be a massive success. Hell, its probably going to be my personal top3 rpg's of all time.
You can't say something like that and not name the other two.
Probably Kingdom Come Deliverance and Arcanum of Steamworks and Magicka (with unofficial patch)
exactly, something monumentally stupid has to happen for this game to flop
>BG3 threads are full of these neanderthals complaining about a game that is going to be a massive success
if BG3 is success then video games are dead not worth wasting time and money instead become a politician and drive wokeness away in every aspect of life
>esl
probably not worth deciphering
BG3 killed games, there did it for you homosexual
To people that have played it - can you do crazy character build customisation like pathfinder or is it dogshit linear stuff like divinity? I can't remember what bg progress was like
It's limited ruleset fifth edition dnd.
It's not even close to pathfinder character customization. Even kingmaker beats it at that.
So what do u get on warriors when you level? I take it spellcasting classes you just choose new t1 t2 t3 spells etc. Are there passives (feats or whatever they were called) as well? I just want anything but divity, that shit was shallow as frick
https://5e.tools/classes.html#fighter_phb
Depends on the subclasses that make it into the final game and then nuances with implementation.
For the longest time larian refused to make reactions or interrupts a part of the game, and stuff like battlemaster's precision attack was a toggle on your next attack action. Eugh. Glad they saw reason to fix that before paladin got in and they would have had to make divine smite a frickin toggle.
Assassin is going to be the most useless class like in the Pathfinder games, isn't it?
But assassin is great in Pathfinder. What are you on about? At least as a sub class option.
You can even outright go Arcane Trickster. Optimizing spell based sneak attacks is wonderful.
It's actually not. The op part of AT is hitting touch ac with rays and feats like point blank shot and weapon focus: ray.
And in wotr you suddenly get bolster spell which is just sneak attack but better and lower investment.
Rogues in general aren't very good just because they run on 3/4 bab and don't get buffs to put themselves back up a full bab equivalent like a cleric casting divine power.
And then rogue isn't very good in dnd either because sneak attack has a 1/ turn limit.
Rogues suck has been a mantra for a while now.
So what you're saying is. They're great, but WotR ruined them?
I never played WotR.
It's not that wotr itself ruined it, it's more that wotr is a game about demons, that in tabletop are immune to poison damage.
So assassin is shit because of the setting and tabletop rules applied.
Assassin blows ass in WOTR because everything is immune to poison
No way you can actually subclass all of these, I refuse to believe Larian can do that much depth even if its copy paste from a ruleset. In the beta for BG3 you could choose 6-10 subclases per class?
Yeah obv you're not getting all of those. Most of them have been published after the game started development. PHB subclasses are safe bets.
it's not real time with pause, like the previous games are, instead they made another turn based divinity game
the "limited print" collector's edition is still available
I'd buy it if i had the money but i only have the money for the regular GOG version which i already bought.
> Why did it fail?
I've never seen a game with party members as vile as the group you get in Balder's Gate 3. None are likeable.
I think the only RPGs with equally unlikeable companions are Deadfire and DA:I, although I would say even then BG3 has them beat, because at least DA:I has Varric.
They are suppose to be unlikeable
good
i don't like them
they don't like me
they don't like each other
but we've got to cooperate
just like most of the D&D parties i've seen in my life
Do we? I can just murder them all and create a custom party like I did in Deadfire.
well
it's your choice
But I don't think it was Larian's intention to make the players go "holy shit, they are so unlikeable I want to kill them all".
the only companion i've ever wanted to kill was lae'zel honestly, the rest are fine with me
I think Shadowheart is the least bad and I still want to punch her for being an emo edgelord. Which developer's 14-year-old daughter wrote that character?
I incidentally love that line where she whines about needing to find a healer... while being a healer herself. Larian writing at its finest.
she's a cleric, not a miracle worker who can take out tadpoles
it's different
I don't think the healer is going to help us anyway with this tadpole, so what is her point in the first place?
Your character doesn't know that, at first. Shadowheart doesn't know that, at first. Searching for a higher level cleric/druid that could help with a tadpole removal seems like a decent plan, at first.
>I incidentally love that line where she whines about needing to find a healer... while being a healer herself.
There's no way your understanding of the plot is so abysmal that you think this is a contradiction.
Something is certain, the homosexual vampire elf is kill on sight in every single playthrough
What's wrong with Bae'zel? I find her endearing in her almost autistic-like desire to prove she's STRONG and NOT insecure and a GREAT WARRIOR of her culture.
homosexual opinions belong to
take your own advice gay, what kind of normal person will like those companions? redditors or discord morons don't count, now get this (you) and have a nice day with it
I find them all likeable once you get to know them, even Astarion (albeit when playing as an evil c**t).
Their first impressions are a weak point, I have to agree, though Shadowheart is a lot more pleasant if you rescue her.
I've got a bad feeling about this one. Three years in early access when it was supposed to be one. All the diversity hires they got after the success of DOS2, all the newly pozzed shit.
I really like all of previous Larian's work but I don't know why I'm getting a terrible feeling about this one
After seeing my Tiefling musclewife I only have good feelings.
The OS games, especially 2, should have been in early access for longer. Granted I’m not naive enough to assume BG3 will have a smooth launch, or that the longer early access was entirely planned, but it should at least mean the skeleton of the late game isn’t as barren as it was in OS2
Do they let you playtest the entire game in EA? Because if not it's literally be just like OS1 and 2 and we will only get the "definitive" balance passes a year later.
If they don't get feedback for the later chapters it's gonna be unbalanced every time. It's just how larian works
Unbalanced and bugged maybe, but the main issue with OS late game wasn’t the fact it was broken, though that was a problem, but the fact it was clearly rushed on every level and was much smaller and less satisfying as a result
They can fix a bugged landing, but they’re not going to add vast chunks of content to a rushed one
I don't. There is more content and replay value packed into the short early access than some fully released RPGs.
It's a copy/paste of Divinity 2, same devs, same engine.
Same fire burns, electric shocks, water wet systems ect. barrels with poison bla bla
If it's half as good as Divinity 2, it should still be good.
Can someone who actually played the EA extensively explain what happens when you abuse tadpole powers at every turn? Also can you mind rape other tadpoles with your tadpole and make them your slaves?
You see the manifestation of the tadpole/your dream more often, get tadpole powers that will evolve that are unique to your class, and yeah if someone is branded or has a tadpole you can overpower them in dialog without needing to even roll a dice above 0. Past act 1, who knows though.
Techsnikally, you can't abuse it and use at every turn - it's once a day ability, game explicitly tells you have to take a long rest to use it again (and considering that the game has a calendar hidden in its code the passage of time might actually means something). That being said, nothing happens in EA specifically. Results of its usage will play the role only in the final act, most likely.
>Results of its usage will play the role only in the final act, most likely.
Blah, another cool ability that any reasonable player would want to try out, but it will most likely be coded as "evil" or alienate your companions so you have to pretend it doesn't exist. Reminds me of turning into a Slayer in BG2 that's a big no-no for good characters, so it just... exists.
At least the Slayer was good for dealing with pesky demiliches. But otherwise, yeah, it was useless. But it was just yet another skill in your arsenal.
On the other hand, Larian put so much effort into creating a whole gimmick for that tadpole, including creating your custom waifu and no sane person will ever use it, because how moronic do you have to be?
I mean, you use it some times, then everyone gets a special unique class ability. After a while the group talks at the camp that maybe we shouldn't abuse the illithid mind powers (aka dialogue options as far as the player concerned, not the new class ability) because we don't know shit. It's clearly intended to actually be used but constantly quicksaving, resting a day to reset the mind power meter just to use it again every time there's an option to mind bend someone or read their thoughts will probably have consequences, and assuming it's a three-act game the second act (which is finally making it to Baldur's Gate) will be too soon for that.
I know the way the companions act the way they do is because of the urgency of the tadpoles, which to their knowledge should have converted them already. Its actually a plot reason why they act so annoying, but at the same time, when you write something like that you're asking quite a bit from the players to bear with them.
What annoys me the most is that Larian is ripping off the plot from D:OS2 again.
The "butthole characters who hate each other to incentivise coop conflict" was already a thing in D:OS2. I dunno, maybe it was fun to constantly butt heads in multiplayer, but it wasn't fun in singleplayer, where that murderhobo Sebille kept getting spergouts for no reason.
Dos2>>>bg2
Play more videogames, kid.
You cant get cucked if you play with 3 more friends and kill all females in sight, right?
>Why did it fail?
It's already a success. The EA alone has sold around 2-5M+ just by checking steam numbers. This is before the actual release, so you can stop pretending the game is a failure.
Will it get porn mods? I want to do unimaginable things to shadowheart
What happened? I liked the EA gameplay at least and that you can be evil
Nothing. OP is just cycling through bait
Ah
Well that's silly
Off to better threads
this, it's a bunch of shitters thinking themselves ''the master baiters'' that are shitting up all the threads
Probably snag it off G2A when the price is down. Dont really like modern crpgs but being co-op sells it.
Reason I haven't played it is the combat. Divinity OS was fun don't get me wrong, but I don't really want to replay the same game for the third time. Come up with something new dammit.
Did they ever add all the PHB races?
Dragonborn is in the last trailer and so was half-orc like 2 trailers ago. Only PHB thing missing besides subclasses/spells that will probably be culled down a bit, is the Monk that we know has been worked on
What does BG2 have to do with Sarevok and Bhaalspawn? Its not until ToB where it comes back around.
>i need strong soul so this will do, also for random reasons we are retconning Imoen to be a Bhaalspawn too
>What does BG2 have to do with Sarevok and Bhaalspawn
A lot. BG2 further elaborates on what it means for you to be the Bhaalspawn. It's still on the forefront, Irenicus is just a catalyst. You forgot about all those tests and dreams you were having?
In total those scenes are maybe, 30 minutes of a 80 hour RPG? Also very sporadic around. Also interesting that you don't expect this to tie back around in anyway
>Dragonborn is in the last trailer and so was half-orc like 2 trailers ago.
Oh neat. That's what I wanted.
I am sure I'll my issues with the game still. But I would have had real issues with the game if core PHB stuff like this didn't make it.
With this I am sure I'll be able to tough out the stuff I don't like and find enjoyment from the rest of it.
>4 years in early access without anything new
They took the money and ran and people are still coming back like battered wives.
I mean, only Bethesdagays are more naive when it comes to their beloved company fricking them over.
It has absolutely nothing in common with the previous titles aside from the name.
no shit, i watched some gameplay on youtube, everything look almost the same, from the portraits, interface, particles, light, garbage companions, etc.
I wonder who shills for this game, you don't have a discord gays to talk about it or back to /vg.
>Great cities
this post confirm it, those losers are bots or people who played only Divinity 2 in their life now they suck off Larian for free.
Neither did the BG3 that got cancelled 20 years ago
Shit troony game that has nothing in common with Baldur's gate.
Luckily I didn't fall for the meme and preorder this shit from those Belgian homosexuals.
you Black folk are truly running out of things to complain about
i really can't imagine what life must be like for your kind, a good game comes out, people enjoy it and you get mad about it?
incredible
You know why
That's just deeply unrealistic as far as male companions go in a party.
What's wrong with this exactly?
Seems cool to me. "A dialog between main missions" type of "romance" honestly sucks.
Bringing more interactions and a full palette of emotions seems like a cool concept to me.
Kevin van Ord has a cuck fetish. I am not joking.
I still don't know what The Dead Three have to do with tadpoles, but I have a feeling Larian will deliver. Oh, boy, will they deliver.
The problem is it ties into WOTC current lore, so who the frick even cares about that. Once this got datamined I expected them to tie it back in but its hard to gauge in what way.
I would have imagined a more... impressive form for the pseudo-avatar of a God.
It almost feels as if Larian wanted to make a game about mind flyers, WotC wanted to make a sequel to Descent into Avernus and then they realized that it might be a good idea to make it as sequel to BG2 as well, I mean, we already have an IP...
So now, the story is this contrived mess slapped together from three different storylines that have nothing to do each other. So, sure Bhaal is making magical tadpoles using Netheril magic. And Godzilla was a gundam piloted by Harry Potter.
>in b4 Larian will explain-
It's Larian. They can't write stories for shit.
It's guaranteed to be decent to good, judging by DOS1/2 and from what I've seen people play on early access, it's definitely not vaporware, maybe it will still be frontloaded on release like both DOS games so far (in terms of complexity, like Cyseal in DOS and Fort in DOS2), but less so given the extra development time.
I beat both DOS1 and 2 and kickstarted/preordered them and didn't feel cheated, and both were pretty long games so there's that going for them, but yea I find Larian writing and worldbuilding to be a bit weird and not to my ideal standard of fantasy. But I have never played DnD so I can't say how Larian's style coincides with it. I'm guessing it's a bit like MtG though in that the setting is merely a vehicle for storytelling rather than having any real distinct flavours of its own.
I just wish Larian were better writers. I think CDPR in general raised my expectations for writing to an unreasonable level given The Witcher has better writing than most movies and TV shows. And speaking of Witcher, their cities will be the one to beat, there is absolutely no way Baldur's Gate will even hold a candle to the splendour of Novigrad, Beauclair, or even Oxenfurt. I got the impression from the video that Baldur's Gate the city is merely going to be where the game's quests culminate and maybe have some endgame quests or be the setting of the last act, rather than be designed from the ground up with character in mind and intended for the player to revisit again and again like Novigrad. Plus it doesn't look very well designed. Hope I'm wrong. But it's not new either, we've had pretty large sprawling towns and cities in DOS1/2 as well, with Cyseal and I remember one of the later locations of DOS2.
>larian writing bad
>cdpr writing good
This is the most NPC opinion possible holy fricking shit.
I fricking hated the tone of the first original sin but the problem wasn't bad writing.
Dude, NTA, and I am not even that big of an CDPR fan, but this is not an opinion, this is an objective truth. Larian have some qualities, but good writing isn't one of them. There is a reason they kept using excuses as "Rivellon is a parody setting" for 20 years.
>implying Witcher 3 has good writing
>using NTA
We got a live one
compared to divinity? Absolutely.
What was the story of Divinity:Original Sin even about? I just remember obnoxious NPCs, a scavenger hunt for red crystals because Larian loves to waste my time and some dryad that comes out of nowhere.
Lel frick off.
>in b4 that's the end of the game tho!
The entire game was like this. Show me another game with this mastery of writing.
Even Cyberpunk mogs Larian's writing like it's a rotweiller eating a poodle. CDPR has a lot of faults, but they understand good storytelling. Larian is not interested in characterisation, worldbuilding or plotting. Their writing has this Carmack-like "videogames are porn" quality to it. It's just something to lead you from one encounter (and exploding barrel) to another.
>CDRP slop
>mastery of writing
A shame the game plays like shit
>provide evidence to the contrary
>admit you're a troon
Pick one.
You told him, kid!
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've brought up, and this does look like fine writing to me, however it's a bit weird to praise CDPR so much for the writing quality when they've had plenty of canon characterization from the novels to base off of. In a way their job was closer to translation than writing and imagining someone from scratch.
That's just mental gymnastics and you know it.
Ok, fine, how about Cyberpunk? Or to broaden the horizons, VtM:Bloodlines? Or even Deus Ex:HR? How many characters from that games can you name from memory? And how many characters from D:OS1 can you name?
>That's just mental gymnastics and you know it.
How so? I think much praise should go to the author of Witcher novels, first and foremost. Also I have no interest in defending Divinity, I've never touched that game and have no real recollection of any of it save for some youtube recap.
You do realize that Witcher games are not adaptations of the books? And CDPR did 90% of the heavy lifting when it comes to writing, even fixing some rough elements from the original novels (Ciri was an obnoxious shithead in the books, but a beloved waifu in the games). CDPR have really fleshed out the world, because Sapkowski never really bothered.
I'm vaguely aware the games are not 100% faithful to the novels, the extent and list of the changes I'm no expert on. And wherever changes were made by CDPR that were well-received absolutely deserve praise. Still, that's a far easier job that inventing a whole universe and the characters who inhabit it from scratch. In the same vein that CDPR had their job facilitated by the existence of the canon novels, Larian would be comically incompetent to really, really miss the mark when they have a canon setting to draw inspiration from.
>Larian would be comically incompetent to really, really miss the mark when they have a canon setting to draw inspiration from.
...Bhaal is creating super-tadpoles using Netheril magic. That alone doesn't fill me with much hope
There is no confirmation that it is Bhaal, could be a red herring.
If it's a red herring, then this whole plot with tadpoles is pointless. You don't introduce something as a main plot and then go "nope, frick that, it's not important, here's a real story".
But Larian actually does that and it's about as awkward as it sounds. Remember that witch from D:OS2 that had so much buildup in prologue and thrn died offscreen 5 minutes later and had nothing to do with anything?
It doesn't have to be Bhaal standing behind the tadpoles, there are other gods, you know that right?
And you do know that Faerunian gods don't give a flying frick about illithids, right? Illithids are not from Faerun, they have their own god, they at best ignore other gods and vice-versa, because you don't want to frick with an illithid eldritch deity.
The fact that some Faerunian deity was interested in creating a tadpole is already flimsy enough. Not to mention gods have much more convenient means to control their faithful than fricking TADPOLES. It would be like you wanting to fix your car, so you enlisted yourself into a space program in hopes to find an intelligent life in the galaxy that has an car-fixing ray. Instead of going to a mechanic. Sure, it's technically doable, but... WHY?
Where did you get the idea the tadpoles are special divine creations? I think it's more likely someone has a vested interest in making yours effectively neutered with powerful magic. So there are several forces at play here and like in any good story, you're a mere pawn to be used by the most opportunistic.
>I think it's more likely someone has a vested interest in making yours effectively neutered with powerful magic. That's not how tadpoles work.
It's Netherese magic. I ain't gotta explain shit.
I know, Swen. I know.
You forget that the cult of Absolute is all but confirmed to be the cult of Dead Three using modifed tadpoles. Which, again...why? Why are going to such idiotic lengths? I commend the Dead Three for thinking outside of the box, but holy shit.
nta but it could be many things
maybe an ilithid ship accidentally teleported into the evil god realm and they decided to do something different idfk
stop being autistic about lore for a world that's just an old man's wet dream
The squid that gives you the tadpole is super sus. The ship looked like it was attacked even before the gith dragon riders started chasing.
Maybe he's disconnected from the hivemind, in which case it brings up another bunch of rather relevant questions. I hope Larian remembers illithids are hivemind.
They obviously remember since this is how our characters read one anothers thoughts.
Which brings ANOTHER question as to why other illithids aren't zoning in on you almost immediately?
If you are going to tell me that "it's a special tadpole, it works differently" I will scream.
It's a special tadpole since you have control of yourself even if a squid is around but if a squid finds out that you're not enthralled they try to kill you. This is what happens on the bridge of the nautiloid if you linger. So you are somewhat protected from them but if they find out they attack you and try to kill you.
>inb4 i'm against special tadpoles
Sucks to be you. I'm fine with the idea. Baldur's Gate characters were always special snowflakes. If you want a bunch of nobodies play Icewind Dale.
Implies they knew in the firstplace.
If you'd have played literally any real crpg made in the past 30 years you'd have a higher bar than unlikable and weak.
I think in the context of this discussion, the justification of the magical MacGuffin isn't particularly important. It's more, characters and their motivations, is there a connection to the plot, do you actually care about your journey, that sort of thing.
So far, no I don't have a good motivation. I guess the game wants me to care about the impending tadpole doom, but falls into the trap that Cyberpunk and FO4 fell into, in that the urgent threat takes a backseat to open world shenanigans. To compensate, the game gives you a flimsy excuse of "this is a very special tadpole that works differently". And because I know a think or two about FR lore, my suspension of disbelief is already stretched to the limit, because this makes no in-lore sense. And every next explanation is even more nonsensical, because now it's clear that the tadpole is just an arbitrary mcguffin to create a false sense of urgency, that can be replaced with geas and the result would be identical, not to mention less stupid. But Larian wanted illithids because Stranger Things, so here we are. It's the things like that that throw me out of the game, because Larian treats this story as a tool to go from place A to place B and have some cool setpieces, rather than a vessel to tell some really memorable tale.
> the tadpole is just an arbitrary mcguffin to create a false sense of urgency, that can be replaced with geas and the result would be identical
A geas doesn't turn you into a schizoid with voices in your head murmuring sweet whispers or creating a tulpa waifu in your dreams, nor is it a constant threat to let your sanity slip. Not identical, or even similar.
Geas definately works that way when you try to go against it's conditions.
And even then, there are magical spells and curses that do that, without the need of a tadpole. Just say it's a curse. There really is no need for mind flayers in this story.
Writing encompasses tone. Writing isn't just dialogue or plot, it's the overall worldbuilding and characterization too. And yes writing is very much the issue. People in the Witcher games all feel like real people, the things they talk about and are concerned about make sense based on who they are, and they have very strong and realistic character motivations. As a result the conversations can go really deep and philosophical without feeling like pretentious or like digressions because they're anchored in the pragmatic and primary motivations of the characters. And that's just one reason, there are probably hundreds of little things to do with the writing specifically that makes the writing of The Witcher great and superior to any other game fantasy or otherwise we've seen so far. It's really informed as well, draws from wide source and conveys a non-insane understanding of the world.
The convos you have with Zoltan in TW1 and with Iorveth in TW2 alone blow away anything present in DOS1 or 2.
Yeah, I think that's the issue I have with Larian's writing. They can't write *people*. They either write some one-off jokes or plot expositions. Nothing in Larian's writing comes off as genuine, it's all very sterile and artificial.
>decent to good
Mechanically? Possibly. Writing wise? Lolno.
Spend 5 minutes traversing the headwriters twatter. He's the kind of out and proud ultra leftist that couldn't write a grocery list without trying to turn it into a political statement for virtual Good Boy points. Just look at pic related. Or what about that guy who got tricked into ending up with a gay romance when the game asked him "who do you dream of at night?" and asked him to recreate the character in the editor. He made a role model and ended up with a gay drow/dwarf scene, because the game didn't so much as hint about the question being love interest related.
It's an adventure game, not a fricking dating sim. Romance should be optional, not mandatory.
>Or what about that guy who got tricked into ending up with a gay romance when the game asked him "who do you dream of at night?" and asked him to recreate the character in the editor. He made a role model and ended up with a gay drow/dwarf scene, because the game didn't so much as hint about the question being love interest related.
I can't tell if this is some post-irony bait or not, but regardless you ought to try harder.
>Dating simulator
>romance comprises about 20 minutes at the very most
Is this a false flag to make critics look like morons?
>dreaming about men at night
Idk sounds gayer than straight to me
>i dream of being a hero like superman!
>lol ur gay xd
I want you to really strain your brain capacity for a moment and read the words that follow "Who do you dream of?" in this screenshot. Really THINK for a moment for once in your forsaken life.
are those actual nipple whew
Guy got tricked in an older build. They changed it after people complained it wasn't clear enough.
No cisgender straight Tav is going to dream of super-human Supertav, based on that wording alone. I'm sorry to break this out to you, but if you dream of men, that means you're gay.
What part of the wording was changed to wwhat you see now because people complained was too hard to understand?
And I'm saying that if based on the question "Who do you dream of?" alone, your mind defaults to men, then you're like, super gay. And no one tricked you into being like, super gay. You just never realized it.
...well, you're probably not very wrong. I'd like to add the caveat that if you dream of yourself but as something other than a shitty NEET, that only implies the figurative kind of dicksucking. And if you dream of horrible things happening to someone you hate, that's only a 50/50 chance of you wanting to bone them.
OK but why do you dream of pink-haired dwarven men
It's what I see in the mirror
Dreaming of a role model that inspires you doesn't mean you want to frick him.
Why does your Tav dream of super Tav, his subconscious role model he wishes he were? My Tav needs no such hope dreaming because my Tav is already strong, smart, handsome and the peak of humankind. My Tav only dreams of a hot babe who will warm his bed after a good dragon slaying.
Men's fitness mags were for gays though
ok but why is your role model a pink-haired dwarf
>pink
You keep using that word, even though it was red and the guy was most likely trying to make Gotrek, who is a certified badass and thus rolemodel material.
inb4
>slayer
>rolemodel
That's not the point. He's cool. That's all that matters.
that is at least magenta
and all of this is dancing around the question of why you would dream of an idealized version of yourself rather than just making your PC an idealized version of yourself
anyone got a link to the thread sounds hilarious
I dream of my grandma screaming insults at me every night, doesn't mean I would frick her
that is dump way to phrase romantic interest when they could just phrase it as "who is your lover" not to mention nobody reads the text and just assume the game bug out and re make they're character
>nobody reads the text
sir this is an RPG
no, it isn't
this
>that guy
making it pretty obvious that was you, anon-kun
>my role model is a pink-haired dwarf
did this even make sense in your head?
It's been so long in early access that I've kind of forgotten about it
Is it fun? I need a local coop game to play with my gf and this could work.
Thats my idea. Only thing wife and I do anymore is co-op rpgs. Even if its not great itll still be fun enough co-op.
d20
>itt shitlibs and centrists seething and deflecting to protect their precious anti-white gay game
anon
the city is majority white
there's a literal trailer showing that
seethe and cope
>cope
lad did you even play the EA? The druid circle looks like one of those diversity and inclusion advertisements that big corpos run. you enjoy your zogslop i'll play 100% white baldurs gate in the good games and not this cuck dating sim
Go play Rogue Trader. It literally has only 1 black person, to the point reddit got offended. You can't even make a black protagonist, because Owlcat LITERALLY FORGOT black people exist.
Black person it's a druid circle, of course it's going to have diversity
What does that have to do with anything?
What is a druid circle? Not him, just asking.
It's a place of gathering for the local druids. I have no idea what does that have with diversity, though.
...wait, so your train of thought is druids = hippie meme = woke?
You don't know anything about FR druids, do you?
the old druids don't exist anymore anon
5th edition did away with everything that isn't PC
QRD on the old druids? Sounds cool. Only things I know about in FR are from Baldurs Gate / Dark Alliance, and the Drizzt novels.
In the good old days, they were an exclusive human-only class of true naturals. And they were hardcore true neutrals. Some of them, like Malar worshippers would just hapilly set your house on fire or resort to ecoterrorism because frick your civilization. The nicer ones, would just tell you to frick off before you get mauled by a pack of angry wolves.
Sounds badass. Gonna roll an ecoterrorist on my next playthrough.
troon don't talk to me me about D&D, go shitpost in your starfield threads
a magical hippy commune
Don't lie. There are so many tieflings and black people in that trailer.
>don't play the game or watch vids
>base my opinions on selective screenshots here and there and other the wisdom of shitposting Ganker mystics
i am truly evil, more devilish than satan himself
Don’t think any writing can be as bad as BG1’s companions with their Redditesque selection phrases only a Codexcuck would defend. Sadly they are adding Minsc, Mr Reddit himself, as a companion.
They turned the moronic hamster guy into a ''living legend''
BG predates reddit bub. Try a different adjective.
Not relevant. BG had Reddit like qualities before Reddit, it was a proto-Reddit game. In fact, BG was so Redditorific it may have actually contributed to early Reddit culture.
is reddit with you in this room right now?
apparently
reddit is down right now so they most certainly are.
why do you know that reddit is down anon?
post quality has fallen off a cliff so naturally I went to check.
same thing every time.
Were you even born yet?
How's the game so far? Is it worth buying if I loved the old RPGs and like DnD 5ed now?
It's a great game and if you're going to be buying it you might as well do it now so you get the free upgrade do digital delux(everyone who buys the preorder gets it).
>Why did it fail?
too many people choose a white male warrior character
it's impossible to make fantasy games today
>body types
>identity
>pronouns
>>WHY DID IT FAIL??
It actually didnt fail
I guess those things dont matter after all
Why are people so mad at this shit?
I would be mad if I was forced to play some them/they/whatever, but as long as I'm free to play as a white human fighter, I don't mind more options if some folks like them.
>Make Divinity Original Sin clone in both gameplay and tone in Baldur’s Gate setting, thus alienating both audiences
>Spend all your money Star Citizen-style hiring Hollywood actor to voice a B tier character
>Drop updates at a slower speed than 80% of early access titles
Pretty easy to see
already sold a MILLION copies on JUST steam
you are brain dead to think this isn't on track to being one of the best selling games of 2023
Twilight was also very popular. It didn't make it a good movie.
Twilight is entertaining as hell
Hilariously bad movie
This game is entertaining as well and unlike twilight because it is genuinely well made and is a fun adventure.
I'll be playing it with several friends who are also excited about among the million+ who bought it already
Seethe
>on JUST steam
I bought the game on GOG. Why people still use Steam is beyond me.
Black person I heard you the first fifty times you posted it
So why are you still sucking fat Gaben's slimy dick?
If I give you the attention you clearly want, will you frick off, or will you just get greedy and demand more?
I just hate Steam so much, no amount of attention can satiate my hunger.
are you the Artifact copy-pasta guy
>nu school fake "D&D"
oh ick
it's not even out
It will be success on PS5 because of no Starfield.
moron devs spent all their time on "romances" instead of gameplay
that's ok, we'll get 30 hours of immersive cutscene dialogue instead.
Not enough vampire/hell sex scenes.
Hell?
There's a few actual hellfire, brimstones demons and tieflings that you meet
On level 1 no less!
The developers complained about people making their characters in the character creator white. Why would I spend my money on a game made by people who want me dead?
>Dev jokingly tells gamers to use species other than default male human fighter in DND which has multiple options
>Nameposters and other chinless freaks freak out over it for 3 years
>jokingly
anon...
why didn't they just do what they REEE'D about others not doing? that or fix the reason people overwhelmingly pick humie
instead they b***h about YT
That’s some troony cope right there. have a nice day, homosexuals. They clearly were shitting on white men doing self inserts because of “diversity”. It was a shameful use of usage statistics
Nothing clear about it outside of how you constructed your own boogie man to complain about.
It was just one of the artists that lamented over how so few people picked all the character creation options that they had worked on. That was it.
It was no condemnation of white men, white people, or men. But that didn't stop people b***hing about exactly that for years. And it certainly didn't help when Larian went full moron and responded to the haters by doing exactly what they complained about, waving black people around to frick with the haters.
I couldn't care less about Larian slop, I'm here for the Nyl kino
Do drow really?
>futa
>futa on female
I'm willing to make the bargain
There is only one person making these "heh if you don't like this, you're a triggered rightoid" posts.
Why does everyone hate the BG3 companions?
I actually like them a lot more than the DOS2 ones.
because they act like modern millennials instead of medieval people.
Because CRPG players are used the companions who are sucking the PC dick at all times.
And there is nothing wrong with that. Putting up with companions you hate and hate you in turn for 100 hours isn't a good alternative either.
But enough about pillars of eternity 2
BG3 companions are evrn worse.
They're some edgy kids but it's fine if they evolve throughout the game.
I will most likely drop the game before they "get better".
I don't hate my (female) companions and they don't hate me in return. Maybe stop roleplaying as a 8 CHA antagonistic other-hating dwarf and you'll get better results.
>8 CHA antagonistic other-hating dwarf
manlets, when will they learn?
Day of the low ceiling soon, pointlessly tall
I'm just not going to play a game unless I can be a Goblin and genocide everyone
>I'm just not going to play a game
We know
>Original Sin 3
The whole Larian dev team should unironically be killed for the good of mankind. They aren't just talentless, they're evil and anti-human, working on destroying our legacy and history.
>300 replies of AAAAEEEIIII THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS GAME HELP ME
poltards and troonys deserve each other
>poltards and troonys deserve each other
you homosexuals act like /misc/ has any power in these things when it's the troonys and troonys alone that get hired in game development the blame is on them not pol and you're part of the problem
This shit has been in development so long that when it was announced, I was actually excited that they might have the Critical Role cast on to voice act. Now if I hear anything about them being involved I will absolutely not be playing it.
Trust the devs
homosexuals are quintessentially evil and destructive. They have no purpose in life and their entire existence serves no purpose other than self indulgence and self destruction.
It didn’t. It’s the best RPG of the last 10 years. Unironically the only thing I’m looking forward to in video games is running this with my IRL friends on release. It’s probably going to be the finale to my gaming career since absolutely everything else in the industry looks like shit.
I can't imagine these games as anything but single player experiences.
You should update your images schizo kun. Latest trailer has a tiefling Tav.
So still no white male?
The 99% of their market?
You should probably read the post chain to see the context in which things are posted
Just saying
What do you mean no white male? What is Gale? A white turnip? Fricking morons keep spewing shit all the time without knowing anything about the game.
He's a wizard, and is treated accordingly.
>he hates wizards
Cope. Why don't you go play Fable. This game exclusively has 5 white main party NPCs, most of the NPCs you meet for the story are white, and you create your own Character.
oh man god bless swen reviving the genre for us boomers i dont even think zoomers like top down shit
They don't, that's why they are shitting up BG3 threads all the time. Zoomer play only Fortnite, other online crap and GTA.
you Black folk you never played the first 2 game stop larping, , if you ever did after a few hours of this trash(watch some youtube playthrough) you will call it just a burning garbage, have a (you) .
Also stop acting like boomers, you're not, just some losers millenials in their 35's and still act like they are in their 20's
>I didnt play this game, now let me tell you why it's trash
Fricking pathetic, you worthless ass zoomer.
It's just a bunch of people coping after seeing Fable with its ugly black MCs, and Starfield with 30fps. Millions of people already bought early access so the game is pretty much funded. The only way they can screw up the game is by making it short. As long as they deliver the 100+ hours of content, we're good.
I think a big question mark is the Tactician-equivalent difficulty and maybe how they plan to scale up difficulty. Once we lit level 5, the areas even meant for level 5 in early access are a joke. They need to do a sweeping balance overhaul which I am expecting anyways, but also tweak resting. I think martials need to be able to use the weapon skills twice per short rest too, instead of one.
OH MY LOVECRAFT IS THAT AN OCTOPUSSY MAN?
It's a squid.
I don't care I'm racist
>D&D in current year
What's the point of having different races and cultures if only evil npc's are allowed to have even the slightest conflict with other characters based on race? Why on earth are there demons ans hit if at the end of the day they're just humans with horns that are supposed to be treated as equals by every other character? What the frick is the point of roleplaying without conflict?
tieflings aren't demons
Because they're not demons, they're humans whose ancestors got up to some shit.
Back in the day, I resented Gygax and company for their strict stance on no rules for playable monsters nor even evil characters. I thought it was stupid, why not open the door for all kinds of new stories? There's lots of things generic good guys don't do, widening the character pool gives so many more new possibilities.
Now I've seen the kind of shit people do with those possibilities and think old Gary had a point.
Good guys are usually the ones who would attempt to work together as a group in the first place. Anti heros are all loner types working alone and bad guys rarely work together without backstabbing each other at some point. Gary had a point.
I find it hilarious how 90% of people only play human, regardless of what other races are available, and then you get this extremely vocal minority complaining that they didn't get enough monster looking races.
They gave you githyanki, and that's all you're getting. Most people aren't interested in playing as a monster. MMOs have proved this time and time again. People would rather be a human with cat ears and a tail than play a Khajit.
>People would rather be a human with cat ears and a tail than play a Khajit.
That's me, I always install a catgirl mod first
real answer? it's turn based and everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based. The reason they made it turn based is because they are hacks whose previous games have all been turn based so they couldn't accomplish a realtime with pause game.
That's the genuine, full 100% truth. A turnbased game will always be some XCOM level bullshit for a very specific niche kind of player. They exist but they certainly aren't the CRPG fanbase.
>everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based.
Really? Because last time I checked a huge majority of CRPGs have turnbased mode, either builtin or thanks to mods.
go list them then, obviously only without mods
DOS1
DOS2
Kingmaker
WOTR
POE2
Solasta
Underrail
Age of Decadence
Expeditions Vikings
Expeditions Conquistador
Expeditions Rome
Wasteland 1
Wasteland 2
Wasteland 3
Shadowrun Returns
Shadowrun Dragonfall
Shadowrun Hong Kong
Baldur's Gate 3 😉
POE2 is not turn based:
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Kingmaker is not turn based:
?t=128
Divinity: Original Sin is your only passable argument but it's larian trash so it shouldnt even count when this entire argument is to trash larian for being incompetent.
And you have the audacity to consider games with hex fields CRPGs? rofl what on earth
meanwhile all the actual beloved cult classics are:
Torment, Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale
>POE2 is not turn based
>Kingmaker is not turn based
How are you this stupid?
i literally posted the videos with timestamp because I knew that you would be so stupid that you'd ask
https://pillarsofeternity.fandom.com/wiki/Turn-based_mode
Sit the frick down you stupid child
are you really arguing solasta is not turn based lmao
This post is definitive proof that the gaygts seething about BG3 being turnbased are the ones who need to play more games.
Fricking embarrassing
Kingmaker and POE2 both added turn-based modes
and HOW CURIOUS that Bioware went on to kill RPGs for years, and Black Isle has been reduced to an also-ran forced to make a Skyrim clone after their attempt at an RTWP CRPG revival got utterly BTFO by a turn-based game, twice.
Owlcat also moved purely to turn based
>Adapt turn based system, PF1 into a RTwP game
>won't adapt a turn based system into a RTwP for Rogue Trader
yes it is
yes it is
you're such an intellectually challenged and dishonest person.
"Checking out newly added Turn-Based Mode to POE2"
"after all DLCs have been released"
they literally added it as an afterthought for the braindead turn based idiots after everything else was finished and all sales were done and some random modders already did all the work for them
>D-D-DOESNT COUNT!!!!!
You were wrong and got btfo. Take it as a lesson and play more games before running your mouth next time
you're a child, of course a game mod added as a patch years afterwards doesnt count. I wont bother trying to explain basic 1+1 logic to you anymore
Why wouldn't it count? It's not a mod, it's something the developers added themselves.
>b-but it wasn't in at launch
and? That just means Obsidian recognized their mistake (too late for it to matter, but still)
>of course a game mod added as a patch years afterwards doesnt count
Why not? What was it you said earlier?
>go list them then, obviously only without mods
POE2's tbs mode is not a mod. It counts. You were wrong. Seethe if you must, but do it quietly
>POE2's tbs mode is not a mod. It counts. You were wrong. Seethe if you must, but do it quietly
moronic little children cant understand simple english language, I understand that. The context of the argument is which is more popular: Realtime vs Turn based.
Obviously, you dumb frick, you cant count a game that had its turnbased mode added years later as an afterthought. That would prove my point that realtime mode is far better and it proves that the game sold so well in realtime mode that they had money left over to satisfy the niche morons later as well.
People like you are the reason why society is shit, you took the vaccine. Just admit it. Dont bother responding again without posting your vaccine status, I wont respond
>I-IT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SO WAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Also imagine thinking anyone cares aout your moronic opinion especially in a thread that's going to die lol
you didnt post your vaccine status? what a surprise
>d-doesn't count
the fact that they even bothered to add it after the fact clearly demonstrates even they recognize people prefer turn-based to RTWP
no, that's what they were led to believe through the nonstop crying and whining by turnbased people. It will hurt them in the future but you wont be capable of seeing it
>DOS2 is the best-selling CRPG ever
>BG3 will likely sell even more
or people just prefer turn-based to RTWP, because RTWP is a shitty system and those cult classic CRPGs are only cult classics because they were the only ones on the market, not because they were RTWP
That's quite the cope for one game in that entire list
Forgot about fallout bretherin
>and everyone loves CRPGs for being realtime based
Huh?
I don't hate real time or anything but this is an odd take. There has always been a rather even split and heated debate in the CRPG community about what is superior.
that is false. There has been a heated debate between offline losers who sit in a room for hours and play turnbased on a piece of paper and the normal people who just want to play a cool videogame. Every normal person wants real time with pause and that's why all the biggest cult classics in the CRPGs genre were all realtime games.
No normal person plays CRPGs in the first place
> why all the biggest cult classics in the CRPGs genre were all realtime games.
Like Fallout 2?
Withotu talking about the fact that Divinity 2 outsold everything else and it's turn based (regardless of it being shit), or newer gems like Underrail or Age of Decadence
There's clearly a huge market for turn based, there hasn't been a successful real time only CRPG in a while in fact, even pathfinder added turn based after the community asked for it.
If you can't visualize turn-based combat, you're an NPC
This version of the frog from the new trailer is pretty cute
Too bad from what I understand the devs are preparing her to cuck the player for some godforsaken reason
She is not human. Stop expecting her to act like a human. Giths grow up in a hatchery.
I don't fricking care about what the frick she is, she's getting beheaded anon. Pulverized. Incinerated. Nothing will be left of her, the moment I see her with another man.
>B-BUT IF IT'S IN HER CULT-
It's not in mine and I'm LE.
>not executing her on sight
>even THINKING about sticking your dick in it
you deserve it tbh
I see a cute BPD clearly deranged frog lady I want to stick penis inside, simple as.
she's not even cute like Camellia
She is not even close as being as crazy as camellia is and that's a bad thing
vaporware
What happens if you model your dreamfu exactly like Lae'zel... out or sheer coincidence of course...
I can think of a few things:
too long in early access killed all hype for it, everybody interested has played through the prologue a hundred thousand times by now
starting at level 1 in D&D is incredibly boring, part of what gave BG2 so much staying power (and so much more than BG1) is that starting at a higher level gives you room to explore builds right away
the market is surprisingly crowded right now for this sorta game between Owlcat's Pathfinder stuff, their new Rogue Trader game coming out soon, the Pillars of Eternity series, Octopath Traveler 2, etc. You really gotta stand out these days and a generic D&D adventure just doesn't seem very unique. Starting out on some eldritch mind flayer ship is cool but you abandon that immediately to wind up on some generic foothills/coast setting. Which, I get it, we're on the Sword Coast here near Baldur's Gate but that doesn't make for a very engaging setting if the goal here is to wow the player.
Every fricking time I come to Ganker there is a 300+ post discussion about this game. Why?
Same schizo posting the same 10 images doomposting a game that sold a million in a month in 2020. That sparks up all the stupid ass discussions that makes these threads inflate
majority of the thread is /misc/ homosexuals being baited into talking about the game cause we like Larian they deserve more money other half is people waiting/lurking for release since Larian are the only dev left still trying to make old style CRPG's work
i think crpgs in general are one of the dick measuring tools used by the obese neckbeards here to show how they are akchual gamers anot not le fake gamer. the lonely neckbeard thinks the more he professes to hate classic games the cooler he looks, or some other nonsense. so when crpgs come up its just constant drivel of this nature
It didn't fail, you're just upset that it's actually a great game and now it's rent free in your racist brain
I'm pretty racist and i love Baldur's Gate 3. Don't lob us racists together with the schizo morons shitposting on Ganker.
>Panel from Hell on July 7th
Time to see the full game.
Full game comes out 3 days before release. The Panel from Hell will probably show off the final races and classes that were being worked on.
Only Act 1 is available in that early access period.